Re: [MBZ] 300td timing chain issues

2006-04-06 Thread jgiels
didn't see any reply's though I think you have some very good questions.. douglas.. - Original Message - From: "hue wong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 3:24 PM Subject: Re:

Re: [MBZ] 300td timing chain issues

2006-04-06 Thread OK Don
Me too - I did two - a 615 and a 616, in the car. Used an aircraft bucking bar, a small ball peen hammer, and my father's helping hands (one of the cars was his). They both went over another 100K miles without anytiming chain problems. My kids are now driving the 616. On 4/5/06, Kaleb C. Striplin

Re: [MBZ] 300td timing chain issues

2006-04-06 Thread Richard Hattaway
No, I just happen to have a chain crimper for this chain. Richard --- archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Do you rent any other tools, Richard? Front spring compressors, for > example? > GerryA > > - Original Message - > From: "Richard Hattaway" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >I will re

Re: [MBZ] 300td timing chain issues

2006-04-06 Thread archer
More good news. Thanks. GerryA - Original Message - From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I have always just used a ball peen hammer. archer wrote: It looks like Loren has convinced me I can do it with a ball peen hammer. Thanks for the reference to Mercedesshop. It's good t

Re: [MBZ] 300td timing chain issues

2006-04-06 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
I have always just used a ball peen hammer. archer wrote: It looks like Loren has convinced me I can do it with a ball peen hammer. Thanks for the reference to Mercedesshop. It's good to know tools can be rented someplace besides Performance Products. GerryA - Original Message - Fr

Re: [MBZ] 300td timing chain issues

2006-04-05 Thread archer
What was the difference between your black 200D and the Hawaiian 200D? GerryA - Original Message - From: "Loren Faeth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> My 200D is black My wife would never drive it. She drove the Hawaiian 200D. She did like the 240D, and liked her 230TE better and now likes he

Re: [MBZ] 300td timing chain issues

2006-04-05 Thread archer
Found a 3/16" punch in with the leather tools. Don't believe I've ever had a 1/8" though. Will have to order one. GerryA - Original Message - From: "Loren Faeth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> one made for a 1/8 inch rivet would do. The one I have used is for 3/16 rivets, but it is too big

Re: [MBZ] 300td timing chain issues

2006-04-05 Thread Loren Faeth
r trading for one of those 40 mpg 190Ds. GerryA - Original Message - From: "Loren Faeth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 5:11 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300td timing chain issues > the fl

Re: [MBZ] 300td timing chain issues

2006-04-05 Thread Loren Faeth
>http://members.rennlist.com/my_911/Index.htm For my Paint Job Info >>- Original Message - >>From: "archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 3:03 PM >>Sub

Re: [MBZ] 300td timing chain issues

2006-04-05 Thread archer
lists the tools sale price at $195.00 but > I > couldn't find their rental price. Does Rusty rent the tool? > GerryA > > - Original Message - > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wedne

Re: [MBZ] 300td timing chain issues

2006-04-05 Thread archer
(showroom condition) which I am thinking of selling or trading for one of those 40 mpg 190Ds. GerryA - Original Message - From: "Loren Faeth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 5:11 PM

Re: [MBZ] 300td timing chain issues

2006-04-05 Thread archer
Do you rent any other tools, Richard? Front spring compressors, for example? GerryA - Original Message - From: "Richard Hattaway" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I will rent the tool for $30. You pay shipping both ways, and pay a deposit of $ 160. Total payment up front from you $ 200, money

Re: [MBZ] 300td timing chain issues

2006-04-05 Thread archer
It looks like Loren has convinced me I can do it with a ball peen hammer. Thanks for the reference to Mercedesshop. It's good to know tools can be rented someplace besides Performance Products. GerryA - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Gerry, I agree - it would *defina

Re: [MBZ] 300td timing chain issues

2006-04-05 Thread Loren Faeth
the flat end It is there to absorb the energy of the taps that is not translated into moving the steel in the rivet (link pin) so that energy does not distort the sprocket or cam assembly. 110s were/are great cars. Between the noise, the fins and the big ol grille, they were always head-tur

Re: [MBZ] 300td timing chain issues

2006-04-05 Thread Marshall Booth
hue wong wrote: So, Look slike I would do this if I had access to the tool The tool is like 189.00 and the timiming chain is only 63.00 so geee. can't justify buying the tool.. You can rent the tool from many suppliers that sell the chain. You can also peen the chain link with a hamme

Re: [MBZ] 300td timing chain issues

2006-04-05 Thread Loren Faeth
r" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 3:03 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300td timing chain issues > Thanks Larry, > It might be risky trying to brad the stud with the chain in the car and > someone holding a bu

Re: [MBZ] 300td timing chain issues

2006-04-05 Thread archer
I got my '67 200D about 1972 and sold it about 1987. The speedo was broken when I got it, but it probably had over 400,000 miles on it when it was sold. I still miss the 33 mpg it got driving around town. Do you use the flat or the round end of the BIG hammer as a buck bar? The round end of

Re: [MBZ] 300td timing chain issues

2006-04-05 Thread l02turner
nnlist.com/my_911/Index.htm For my Paint Job Info - Original Message - From: "archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300td timing chain issues Thanks for t

Re: [MBZ] 300td timing chain issues

2006-04-05 Thread l02turner
- From: "archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 3:03 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300td timing chain issues Thanks Larry, It might be risky trying to brad the stud with the chain in the car and

Re: [MBZ] 300td timing chain issues

2006-04-05 Thread l02turner
b Stuff http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs http://members.rennlist.com/my_911/Index.htm For my Paint Job Info - Original Message - From: "hue wong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 2:51 PM Sub

Re: [MBZ] 300td timing chain issues

2006-04-05 Thread Richard Hattaway
I will rent the tool for $30. You pay shipping both ways, and pay a deposit of $ 160. Total payment up front from you $ 200, money order. I return a money order for $ 160 when you return the tool in good shape. Richard --- hue wong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So, Look slike I would do this i

Re: [MBZ] 300td timing chain issues

2006-04-05 Thread Loren Faeth
Aluminum trays of various forms. I forgot to mention the BIG (16-24 oz) hammer behind the link as an anvil, as Jim mentioned. Use a 6-8 oz ball peen. Yeah, if you know the principle of cold riveting is lots of blows with a fairly light hammer, then you can do it with no problem. I have no

Re: [MBZ] 300td timing chain issues

2006-04-05 Thread archer
Thanks for the encouragement. I've done quit a bit of riveting/peening too. Maybe I will try it when the chains get up to 5 degrees. I'll bet you were making a bowl out of a flat sheet of aluminum in Jr. High shop, weren't you? (grin) GerryA - Original Message - From: "Loren Faeth"

Re: [MBZ] 300td timing chain issues

2006-04-05 Thread archer
t the tool? GerryA - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 2:44 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300td timing chain issues It forces the stud material over in a brad-like manner. I managed to

Re: [MBZ] 300td timing chain issues

2006-04-05 Thread Jim Cathey
So, Look slike I would do this if I had access to the tool The tool is like 189.00 and the timiming chain is only 63.00 so geee. can't justify buying the tool.. Rent or borrow the tool, or peen it over with a hammer. (With another hammer behind it as an anvil.) I also have riveted sickl

Re: [MBZ] 300td timing chain issues

2006-04-05 Thread hue wong
TED]> > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 1:50 PM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300td timing chain issues > > > > > > - Original Message - > > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> The pr

Re: [MBZ] 300td timing chain issues

2006-04-05 Thread Loren Faeth
It rivets the head. Having grown up riveting knives on sickle bars and riveting other things, I rivet the new style with a small ball peen hammer. I am old enough that i spent Jr. High shop peening aluminum, thereby having a first hand knowledge of how the hammer gets its name. I guess there

Re: [MBZ] 300td timing chain issues

2006-04-05 Thread l02turner
list.com/my_911/Index.htm For my Paint Job Info - Original Message - From: "archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 1:50 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300td timing chain issues - Origina

Re: [MBZ] 300td timing chain issues

2006-04-05 Thread archer
- Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The procedures you;ve read are probably pretty descriptive. Basically, you attach the new chain to the old one, turn the engine slowly and feed the new one in as the old one comes out. When the old one is completely out, attach the end

Re: [MBZ] 300td timing chain issues

2006-04-05 Thread l02turner
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 9:56 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300td timing chain issues I belive it is the 61X.xx engine It's a 300t '82 the Odo reads 129k (but I suspect it might have been turned at the shady car lot I bought it from...) I decided to set the vavles

Re: [MBZ] 300td timing chain issues

2006-04-05 Thread hue wong
I belive it is the 61X.xx engine It's a 300t '82 the Odo reads 129k (but I suspect it might have been turned at the shady car lot I bought it from...) I decided to set the vavles and button her up and do the work after another few thousand miles or so (the end of summer.) Teh sprocket looks go

Re: [MBZ] 300td timing chain issues

2006-04-04 Thread Marshall Booth
hue wong wrote: Hi all! Just had a chance to chek the reading and it looks like it's exactly 5 degrees off. (if the mesurement is: the mark on the cam guide collar and top notch on the bearing tower at 3' oclock are aligned and are supposed to match/lineup with the top post/nub/zero degrees

Re: [MBZ] 300td timing chain issues

2006-04-04 Thread hue wong
Hi all! Just had a chance to chek the reading and it looks like it's exactly 5 degrees off. (if the mesurement is: the mark on the cam guide collar and top notch on the bearing tower at 3' oclock are aligned and are supposed to match/lineup with the top post/nub/zero degrees on the bottom timi

Re: [MBZ] 300td timing chain issues

2006-04-01 Thread hue wong
-- Original Message - > From: "hue wong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 6:14 PM > Subject: [MBZ] 300td timing chain issues > > Where are you located Hue? Perhaps one of the more > mechanicaly inclined >

Re: [MBZ] 300td timing chain issues

2006-04-01 Thread Rick Knoble
- Original Message - From: "hue wong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 6:14 PM Subject: [MBZ] 300td timing chain issues Where are you located Hue? Perhaps one of the more mechanicaly inclined listers is close by and can

Re: [MBZ] 300td timing chain issues

2006-04-01 Thread Jim Cathey
The chain tensioner is oil pressure driven. With the engine off, tension will only be supplied by the fairly weak spring inside the tensioner and residual, non pressurized oil. Not exactly. The chain tensioner is oil-filled, and has a one-way check valve. The spring provides the take-up press

Re: [MBZ] 300td timing chain issues

2006-04-01 Thread Peter Frederick
The chain tensioner is oil pressure driven. With the engine off, tension will only be supplied by the fairly weak spring inside the tensioner and residual, non pressurized oil. If you can push the long, curved rail on the passenger side back easily, the tensioner is worn and needs to be repla

[MBZ] 300td timing chain issues

2006-04-01 Thread hue wong
So I am into my engine with the spring overhaul and am suspicious now of my timing chain. Seems to have about 1/4'-ish inch of travel when I push my thumb against it in the middle of the two timing gears (it does srping back nicely) Anyhow, none of the three mcparts manuals I have, go into the