Re: [MBZ] OT: Farmers cannot be trusted - what would they know about climate change?

2015-06-10 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes 
Yes!  I'll transfer to them in a heart beat.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On June 9, 2015 11:27:36 PM EDT, Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>
>What we _need_ is the BuSab!
>
>-- Jim
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Farmers cannot be trusted - what would they know about climate change?

2015-06-09 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes 

I'm sure the DoI and BuRec are working on it as we speak.


What we _need_ is the BuSab!

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Farmers cannot be trusted - what would they know about climate change?

2015-06-09 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes 
Yeah, so what?Sure maybe the climate is warming, but we've been 
coming out of an ice age for a couple thousand years right? Isn't 
global warming actually NORMAL in the age of human experience? The 
temperature record goes back to the late 1800s but the last ice age 
ended around 11,000 years ago. Haven't we been steadily warming 
since then?
Seems like its a big ask to prove that humans are making the planet 
warm up when it was doing it anyway.

-Curt




Do not confuse special cause variation with normal variation.  This 
is exactly what Curt is saying.


NORMAL variation of this planet has ranged from ice age to the 
tropics.  In medieval times, Erik the Red's viking ship burned so 
much fossil fuel it warmed the whole planet and greenland was great 
for growing stuff when he got there.   NOT!  The planet warmed 
without Erik's help, and even the hordes of viking subrubans and 
escalades didn't raise the temp. Ol Erik was an early land promoter.


Ater that the planet went into a mini Ice age.  THen it warmed for a 
couple hunnert years.  Now it is cooling again.


All the falsified "evidence" doesn't change the facts, or science.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Farmers cannot be trusted - what would they know about climate change?

2015-06-09 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
State data isn't out yet but MA was very dry in May, less than an inch I'd 
guess. We're way up now, probably had close to an inch today...



Curt



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From:"Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes" 
Date:Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 3:01 PM
Subject:Re: [MBZ] OT: Farmers cannot be trusted - what would they know about 
climate change?

Not to worry:

May was wettest month in U.S. historyPublished: Tuesday, June 9, 2015

Last month was the wettest month on record in the contiguous United States,
according to National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration meteorologists.

Nearly 200 trillion gallons of rain and snow fell over the Lower 48 states
in May, according to climate scientist Jake Crouch, with an average of 4.36
inches of total precipitation falling on the Lower 48.

A stalled pattern of storms dumped water on the central United States,
especially Texas and Oklahoma, to drive up the numbers. Those states had
been in five-year droughts that ended in just a month.

"It's like one disaster ending a catastrophe," Crouch said.

Fourteen states had one of their 10 wettest Mays ever; all of them were
located west of the Mississippi River and east of California.

This May was one of only seven Mays on record in the United States to
average more than 4 inches of total precipitation. But it's hard to make
any connections from a single month to climate change, Crouch said (AP/*New
York Times*
<http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2015/06/08/science/ap-us-sci-wettest-may.html?rref=collection%2Fsectioncollection%2Fscience&_r=0>,
June 8). *-- BTP*


On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 2:53 PM, Andrew Strasfogel 
wrote:

> This Congress???  You must be joking.
>
> On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 2:44 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> Andrew, oh my, you must help them, HELP THEM!!!  Quick, get a bill in
>> front
>> of Congress to start a new program to HELP THEM!!!
>>
>> Wait, they are humans, very adaptable and hard working humans at that, and
>> they've already solved the issue at their level...  All they needed was to
>> be left alone and allowed to use their minds and their resources.  Imagine
>> that!
>>
>> Move along folks, nothing to see here, move along...
>>
>> -
>> Max
>> Charleston SC
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 1:49 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Which was clearly off point.
>> >
>> > The point is that farmers whose LIVELIHOOD depends on climate norms have
>> > had to adjust their planting schedules due to a major shift in climate
>> > trends - a large increase in temperatures.  These aren't liberals or
>> tree
>> > huggers, nor do most of them vote Democratic I would surmise.  They have
>> > credibility in reporting on what is happening to the climate because it
>> > affects their income.  If you fail to see this then you are like the
>> > figurative man pretending to be asleep.
>> >
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Farmers cannot be trusted - what would they know about climate change?

2015-06-09 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
Not to worry:

May was wettest month in U.S. historyPublished: Tuesday, June 9, 2015

Last month was the wettest month on record in the contiguous United States,
according to National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration meteorologists.

Nearly 200 trillion gallons of rain and snow fell over the Lower 48 states
in May, according to climate scientist Jake Crouch, with an average of 4.36
inches of total precipitation falling on the Lower 48.

A stalled pattern of storms dumped water on the central United States,
especially Texas and Oklahoma, to drive up the numbers. Those states had
been in five-year droughts that ended in just a month.

"It's like one disaster ending a catastrophe," Crouch said.

Fourteen states had one of their 10 wettest Mays ever; all of them were
located west of the Mississippi River and east of California.

This May was one of only seven Mays on record in the United States to
average more than 4 inches of total precipitation. But it's hard to make
any connections from a single month to climate change, Crouch said (AP/*New
York Times*
,
June 8). *-- BTP*

On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 2:53 PM, Andrew Strasfogel 
wrote:

> This Congress???  You must be joking.
>
> On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 2:44 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> Andrew, oh my, you must help them, HELP THEM!!!  Quick, get a bill in
>> front
>> of Congress to start a new program to HELP THEM!!!
>>
>> Wait, they are humans, very adaptable and hard working humans at that, and
>> they've already solved the issue at their level...  All they needed was to
>> be left alone and allowed to use their minds and their resources.  Imagine
>> that!
>>
>> Move along folks, nothing to see here, move along...
>>
>> -
>> Max
>> Charleston SC
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 1:49 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Which was clearly off point.
>> >
>> > The point is that farmers whose LIVELIHOOD depends on climate norms have
>> > had to adjust their planting schedules due to a major shift in climate
>> > trends - a large increase in temperatures.  These aren't liberals or
>> tree
>> > huggers, nor do most of them vote Democratic I would surmise.  They have
>> > credibility in reporting on what is happening to the climate because it
>> > affects their income.  If you fail to see this then you are like the
>> > figurative man pretending to be asleep.
>> >
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Farmers cannot be trusted - what would they know about climate change?

2015-06-09 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
This Congress???  You must be joking.

On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 2:44 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Andrew, oh my, you must help them, HELP THEM!!!  Quick, get a bill in front
> of Congress to start a new program to HELP THEM!!!
>
> Wait, they are humans, very adaptable and hard working humans at that, and
> they've already solved the issue at their level...  All they needed was to
> be left alone and allowed to use their minds and their resources.  Imagine
> that!
>
> Move along folks, nothing to see here, move along...
>
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
> On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 1:49 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Which was clearly off point.
> >
> > The point is that farmers whose LIVELIHOOD depends on climate norms have
> > had to adjust their planting schedules due to a major shift in climate
> > trends - a large increase in temperatures.  These aren't liberals or tree
> > huggers, nor do most of them vote Democratic I would surmise.  They have
> > credibility in reporting on what is happening to the climate because it
> > affects their income.  If you fail to see this then you are like the
> > figurative man pretending to be asleep.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Farmers cannot be trusted - what would they know about climate change?

2015-06-09 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
Andrew, oh my, you must help them, HELP THEM!!!  Quick, get a bill in front
of Congress to start a new program to HELP THEM!!!

Wait, they are humans, very adaptable and hard working humans at that, and
they've already solved the issue at their level...  All they needed was to
be left alone and allowed to use their minds and their resources.  Imagine
that!

Move along folks, nothing to see here, move along...

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 1:49 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Which was clearly off point.
>
> The point is that farmers whose LIVELIHOOD depends on climate norms have
> had to adjust their planting schedules due to a major shift in climate
> trends - a large increase in temperatures.  These aren't liberals or tree
> huggers, nor do most of them vote Democratic I would surmise.  They have
> credibility in reporting on what is happening to the climate because it
> affects their income.  If you fail to see this then you are like the
> figurative man pretending to be asleep.
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Farmers cannot be trusted - what would they know about climate change?

2015-06-09 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
Yeah, so what?Sure maybe the climate is warming, but we've been coming out of 
an ice age for a couple thousand years right? Isn't global warming actually 
NORMAL in the age of human experience? The temperature record goes back to the 
late 1800s but the last ice age ended around 11,000 years ago. Haven't we been 
steadily warming since then?
Seems like its a big ask to prove that humans are making the planet warm up 
when it was doing it anyway.
-Curt

  From: Andrew Strasfogel 
 To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 
 
 Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 1:49 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Farmers cannot be trusted - what would they know about 
climate change?
   
Which was clearly off point.The point is that farmers whose LIVELIHOOD 
depends on climate norms have had to adjust their planting schedules due to a 
major shift in climate trends - a large increase in temperatures.  These aren't 
liberals or tree huggers, nor do most of them vote Democratic I would surmise.  
They have credibility in reporting on what is happening to the climate because 
it affects their income.  If you fail to see this then you are like the 
figurative man pretending to be asleep.


On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 1:36 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 wrote:

I was merely pointing out how effective government is at dealing with farmers...
-Curt
      From: Andrew Strasfogel 
 To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 

 Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 1:32 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Farmers cannot be trusted - what would they know about 
climate change?

Hey, I don't have to defend everythjing that ever happened in Africa.  if you 
want to change the topic change the subject line. Sheesh


On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 1:29 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 wrote:

Took some reading: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_ZimbabweTurns out 
they got independence in 1980 and like so many ex-empire states promptly 
squandered it. In the '90s they let the black minority overrun the farms owned 
by white farmers. The untrained black "farmers" then took the breadbasket of 
Africa and ruined it...
-Curt
      From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: Dan Penoff 
 Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 1:19 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Farmers cannot be trusted - what would they know about 
climate change?

You could be right.

I don't know much about Liberia, so it's very possible they did something along 
those lines. I was thinking that Liberia was where Henry Ford had the big 
rubber plantations.

In Zimbabwe the colonialist (British) owned and pretty much ran the country for 
several hundred years, I believe. The locals were subjugated and used as cheap 
labor, as that was what the British were really good at doing. Agriculture was 
the big thing there, and the colonialists had these massive, sprawling farms 
all over the place. We had a bunch of customers there who grew tobacco in 
quantities that were simply staggering.

Sometime in the last 15-20 years, I believe, the locals had had enough, and 
pretty much went medieval on the Brits, killing, raping, pillaging, etc., and 
returning their rightful lands back to themselves.

Of course, now that they've destroyed all the infrastructure and dismantled the 
economic engines of the country, the place pretty well went into the toilet.

This is the African country you've read about where inflation is so bad that 
pocket change is a million dollar bill in the local currency.

Victoria Falls is nice, however.

Dan

Sent from my iPad



> On Jun 9, 2015, at 1:08 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes  
> wrote:
>
> Dang,
> Right continent anyway.
> -Curt
>      From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: Dan Penoff 
> Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 1:04 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Farmers cannot be trusted - what would they know about 
> climate change?
>
> I think you're thinking of Zimbabwe (Rhodesia).
>
> Dan
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>
>
>> On Jun 9, 2015, at 12:52 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Do like in Liberia and give the land to oppressed black folks. That worked 
>> so well...
>> -Curt
>>   

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Farmers cannot be trusted - what would they know about climate change?

2015-06-09 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
Which was clearly off point.

The point is that farmers whose LIVELIHOOD depends on climate norms have
had to adjust their planting schedules due to a major shift in climate
trends - a large increase in temperatures.  These aren't liberals or tree
huggers, nor do most of them vote Democratic I would surmise.  They have
credibility in reporting on what is happening to the climate because it
affects their income.  If you fail to see this then you are like the
figurative man pretending to be asleep.

On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 1:36 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I was merely pointing out how effective government is at dealing with
> farmers...
> -Curt
>   From: Andrew Strasfogel 
>  To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>  Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 1:32 PM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Farmers cannot be trusted - what would they know
> about climate change?
>
> Hey, I don't have to defend everythjing that ever happened in Africa.  if
> you want to change the topic change the subject line. Sheesh
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 1:29 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> Took some reading: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_ZimbabweTurns
> out they got independence in 1980 and like so many ex-empire states
> promptly squandered it. In the '90s they let the black minority overrun the
> farms owned by white farmers. The untrained black "farmers" then took the
> breadbasket of Africa and ruined it...
> -Curt
>   From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: Dan Penoff 
>  Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 1:19 PM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Farmers cannot be trusted - what would they know
> about climate change?
>
> You could be right.
>
> I don't know much about Liberia, so it's very possible they did something
> along those lines. I was thinking that Liberia was where Henry Ford had the
> big rubber plantations.
>
> In Zimbabwe the colonialist (British) owned and pretty much ran the
> country for several hundred years, I believe. The locals were subjugated
> and used as cheap labor, as that was what the British were really good at
> doing. Agriculture was the big thing there, and the colonialists had these
> massive, sprawling farms all over the place. We had a bunch of customers
> there who grew tobacco in quantities that were simply staggering.
>
> Sometime in the last 15-20 years, I believe, the locals had had enough,
> and pretty much went medieval on the Brits, killing, raping, pillaging,
> etc., and returning their rightful lands back to themselves.
>
> Of course, now that they've destroyed all the infrastructure and
> dismantled the economic engines of the country, the place pretty well went
> into the toilet.
>
> This is the African country you've read about where inflation is so bad
> that pocket change is a million dollar bill in the local currency.
>
> Victoria Falls is nice, however.
>
> Dan
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>
>
> > On Jun 9, 2015, at 1:08 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Dang,
> > Right continent anyway.
> > -Curt
> >  From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> > To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> > Cc: Dan Penoff 
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 1:04 PM
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Farmers cannot be trusted - what would they know
> about climate change?
> >
> > I think you're thinking of Zimbabwe (Rhodesia).
> >
> > Dan
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Jun 9, 2015, at 12:52 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Do like in Liberia and give the land to oppressed black folks. That
> worked so well...
> >> -Curt
> >>
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Farmers cannot be trusted - what would they know about climate change?

2015-06-09 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
I was merely pointing out how effective government is at dealing with farmers...
-Curt
  From: Andrew Strasfogel 
 To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 
 
 Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 1:32 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Farmers cannot be trusted - what would they know about 
climate change?
   
Hey, I don't have to defend everythjing that ever happened in Africa.  if you 
want to change the topic change the subject line. Sheesh


On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 1:29 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 wrote:

Took some reading: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_ZimbabweTurns out 
they got independence in 1980 and like so many ex-empire states promptly 
squandered it. In the '90s they let the black minority overrun the farms owned 
by white farmers. The untrained black "farmers" then took the breadbasket of 
Africa and ruined it...
-Curt
      From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: Dan Penoff 
 Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 1:19 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Farmers cannot be trusted - what would they know about 
climate change?

You could be right.

I don't know much about Liberia, so it's very possible they did something along 
those lines. I was thinking that Liberia was where Henry Ford had the big 
rubber plantations.

In Zimbabwe the colonialist (British) owned and pretty much ran the country for 
several hundred years, I believe. The locals were subjugated and used as cheap 
labor, as that was what the British were really good at doing. Agriculture was 
the big thing there, and the colonialists had these massive, sprawling farms 
all over the place. We had a bunch of customers there who grew tobacco in 
quantities that were simply staggering.

Sometime in the last 15-20 years, I believe, the locals had had enough, and 
pretty much went medieval on the Brits, killing, raping, pillaging, etc., and 
returning their rightful lands back to themselves.

Of course, now that they've destroyed all the infrastructure and dismantled the 
economic engines of the country, the place pretty well went into the toilet.

This is the African country you've read about where inflation is so bad that 
pocket change is a million dollar bill in the local currency.

Victoria Falls is nice, however.

Dan

Sent from my iPad



> On Jun 9, 2015, at 1:08 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes  
> wrote:
>
> Dang,
> Right continent anyway.
> -Curt
>      From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: Dan Penoff 
> Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 1:04 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Farmers cannot be trusted - what would they know about 
> climate change?
>
> I think you're thinking of Zimbabwe (Rhodesia).
>
> Dan
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>
>
>> On Jun 9, 2015, at 12:52 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Do like in Liberia and give the land to oppressed black folks. That worked 
>> so well...
>> -Curt
>>   

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Farmers cannot be trusted - what would they know about climate change?

2015-06-09 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
Hey, I don't have to defend everythjing that ever happened in Africa.  if
you want to change the topic change the subject line. Sheesh

On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 1:29 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Took some reading: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_ZimbabweTurns
> out they got independence in 1980 and like so many ex-empire states
> promptly squandered it. In the '90s they let the black minority overrun the
> farms owned by white farmers. The untrained black "farmers" then took the
> breadbasket of Africa and ruined it...
> -Curt
>   From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: Dan Penoff 
>  Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 1:19 PM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Farmers cannot be trusted - what would they know
> about climate change?
>
> You could be right.
>
> I don't know much about Liberia, so it's very possible they did something
> along those lines. I was thinking that Liberia was where Henry Ford had the
> big rubber plantations.
>
> In Zimbabwe the colonialist (British) owned and pretty much ran the
> country for several hundred years, I believe. The locals were subjugated
> and used as cheap labor, as that was what the British were really good at
> doing. Agriculture was the big thing there, and the colonialists had these
> massive, sprawling farms all over the place. We had a bunch of customers
> there who grew tobacco in quantities that were simply staggering.
>
> Sometime in the last 15-20 years, I believe, the locals had had enough,
> and pretty much went medieval on the Brits, killing, raping, pillaging,
> etc., and returning their rightful lands back to themselves.
>
> Of course, now that they've destroyed all the infrastructure and
> dismantled the economic engines of the country, the place pretty well went
> into the toilet.
>
> This is the African country you've read about where inflation is so bad
> that pocket change is a million dollar bill in the local currency.
>
> Victoria Falls is nice, however.
>
> Dan
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>
>
> > On Jun 9, 2015, at 1:08 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Dang,
> > Right continent anyway.
> > -Curt
> >      From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> > To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> > Cc: Dan Penoff 
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 1:04 PM
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Farmers cannot be trusted - what would they know
> about climate change?
> >
> > I think you're thinking of Zimbabwe (Rhodesia).
> >
> > Dan
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Jun 9, 2015, at 12:52 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Do like in Liberia and give the land to oppressed black folks. That
> worked so well...
> >> -Curt
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Farmers cannot be trusted - what would they know about climate change?

2015-06-09 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
Took some reading: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_ZimbabweTurns out 
they got independence in 1980 and like so many ex-empire states promptly 
squandered it. In the '90s they let the black minority overrun the farms owned 
by white farmers. The untrained black "farmers" then took the breadbasket of 
Africa and ruined it...
-Curt
  From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
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Cc: Dan Penoff  
 Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 1:19 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Farmers cannot be trusted - what would they know about 
climate change?
   
You could be right.

I don't know much about Liberia, so it's very possible they did something along 
those lines. I was thinking that Liberia was where Henry Ford had the big 
rubber plantations.

In Zimbabwe the colonialist (British) owned and pretty much ran the country for 
several hundred years, I believe. The locals were subjugated and used as cheap 
labor, as that was what the British were really good at doing. Agriculture was 
the big thing there, and the colonialists had these massive, sprawling farms 
all over the place. We had a bunch of customers there who grew tobacco in 
quantities that were simply staggering.

Sometime in the last 15-20 years, I believe, the locals had had enough, and 
pretty much went medieval on the Brits, killing, raping, pillaging, etc., and 
returning their rightful lands back to themselves.

Of course, now that they've destroyed all the infrastructure and dismantled the 
economic engines of the country, the place pretty well went into the toilet.

This is the African country you've read about where inflation is so bad that 
pocket change is a million dollar bill in the local currency.

Victoria Falls is nice, however.

Dan

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> On Jun 9, 2015, at 1:08 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Dang,
> Right continent anyway.
> -Curt
>      From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List  
> Cc: Dan Penoff  
> Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 1:04 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Farmers cannot be trusted - what would they know about 
> climate change?
> 
> I think you're thinking of Zimbabwe (Rhodesia).
> 
> Dan
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 9, 2015, at 12:52 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Do like in Liberia and give the land to oppressed black folks. That worked 
>> so well...
>> -Curt
>>    

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Farmers cannot be trusted - what would they know about climate change?

2015-06-09 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
There's a saying that you can't wake a man who pretends to be sleeping...

On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 1:08 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Dang,
> Right continent anyway.
> -Curt
>   From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: Dan Penoff 
>  Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 1:04 PM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Farmers cannot be trusted - what would they know
> about climate change?
>
> I think you're thinking of Zimbabwe (Rhodesia).
>
> Dan
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>
>
> > On Jun 9, 2015, at 12:52 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Do like in Liberia and give the land to oppressed black folks. That
> worked so well...
> > -Curt
> >  From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
> > To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> > Cc: Andrew Strasfogel 
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 12:06 PM
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Farmers cannot be trusted - what would they know
> about climate change?
> >
> > How about throwing the Montana farmers off their land?  They are clearly
> > commies in the hire of third world kleptos.
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 11:21 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Clearly the answer is to raise taxes and send the money to turd-world
> >> kleptocrats, or the UN (I repeat myself)!
> >>
> >> --R
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> On 6/9/15 10:57 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Or farmers to tell us the painful truth.  They must all be government
> >>> agents!
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 10:46 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>  Nothing new here, the earth's climate has always been changing.
> Andrew -
> >>>> you should know that.  Even I took "rocks for jocks" in college...
> >>>>
> >>>> Humans excel at adjusting to a changing world.  We don't need
> increased
> >>>> government or higher taxes or energy costs to do that...
> >>>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Farmers cannot be trusted - what would they know about climate change?

2015-06-09 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
You could be right.

I don't know much about Liberia, so it's very possible they did something along 
those lines. I was thinking that Liberia was where Henry Ford had the big 
rubber plantations.

In Zimbabwe the colonialist (British) owned and pretty much ran the country for 
several hundred years, I believe. The locals were subjugated and used as cheap 
labor, as that was what the British were really good at doing. Agriculture was 
the big thing there, and the colonialists had these massive, sprawling farms 
all over the place. We had a bunch of customers there who grew tobacco in 
quantities that were simply staggering.

Sometime in the last 15-20 years, I believe, the locals had had enough, and 
pretty much went medieval on the Brits, killing, raping, pillaging, etc., and 
returning their rightful lands back to themselves.

Of course, now that they've destroyed all the infrastructure and dismantled the 
economic engines of the country, the place pretty well went into the toilet.

This is the African country you've read about where inflation is so bad that 
pocket change is a million dollar bill in the local currency.

Victoria Falls is nice, however.

Dan

Sent from my iPad

> On Jun 9, 2015, at 1:08 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Dang,
> Right continent anyway.
> -Curt
>  From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List  
> Cc: Dan Penoff  
> Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 1:04 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Farmers cannot be trusted - what would they know about 
> climate change?
> 
> I think you're thinking of Zimbabwe (Rhodesia).
> 
> Dan
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 9, 2015, at 12:52 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Do like in Liberia and give the land to oppressed black folks. That worked 
>> so well...
>> -Curt
>> 

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Farmers cannot be trusted - what would they know about climate change?

2015-06-09 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
Dang,
Right continent anyway.
-Curt
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Cc: Dan Penoff  
 Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 1:04 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Farmers cannot be trusted - what would they know about 
climate change?
   
I think you're thinking of Zimbabwe (Rhodesia).

Dan

Sent from my iPad



> On Jun 9, 2015, at 12:52 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Do like in Liberia and give the land to oppressed black folks. That worked so 
> well...
> -Curt
>      From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List  
> Cc: Andrew Strasfogel  
> Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 12:06 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Farmers cannot be trusted - what would they know about 
> climate change?
> 
> How about throwing the Montana farmers off their land?  They are clearly
> commies in the hire of third world kleptos.
> 
> On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 11:21 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Clearly the answer is to raise taxes and send the money to turd-world
>> kleptocrats, or the UN (I repeat myself)!
>> 
>> --R
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 6/9/15 10:57 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>>> 
>>> Or farmers to tell us the painful truth.  They must all be government
>>> agents!
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 10:46 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>  Nothing new here, the earth's climate has always been changing.  Andrew -
>>>> you should know that.  Even I took "rocks for jocks" in college...
>>>> 
>>>> Humans excel at adjusting to a changing world.  We don't need increased
>>>> government or higher taxes or energy costs to do that...
>>>> 
>>>> -
>>>> Max
>>>> Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Farmers cannot be trusted - what would they know about climate change?

2015-06-09 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes 

Saying the "Montana Farmers Union" supports MMGW is like saying Change.org
supports MMGW. 

There's a reason why the first thing you see upon visiting MFU's web site is
"Global Climate Change".

Mitch. 

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Farmers cannot be trusted - what would they know about climate change?

2015-06-09 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
I think you're thinking of Zimbabwe (Rhodesia).

Dan

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> On Jun 9, 2015, at 12:52 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Do like in Liberia and give the land to oppressed black folks. That worked so 
> well...
> -Curt
>  From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List  
> Cc: Andrew Strasfogel  
> Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 12:06 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Farmers cannot be trusted - what would they know about 
> climate change?
> 
> How about throwing the Montana farmers off their land?  They are clearly
> commies in the hire of third world kleptos.
> 
> On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 11:21 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Clearly the answer is to raise taxes and send the money to turd-world
>> kleptocrats, or the UN (I repeat myself)!
>> 
>> --R
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 6/9/15 10:57 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>>> 
>>> Or farmers to tell us the painful truth.  They must all be government
>>> agents!
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 10:46 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>   Nothing new here, the earth's climate has always been changing.  Andrew -
>>>> you should know that.  Even I took "rocks for jocks" in college...
>>>> 
>>>> Humans excel at adjusting to a changing world.  We don't need increased
>>>> government or higher taxes or energy costs to do that...
>>>> 
>>>> -
>>>> Max
>>>> Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Farmers cannot be trusted - what would they know about climate change?

2015-06-09 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
I'm sure the DoI and BuRec are working on it as we speak.  It's for the 
children starving in Africa!


--R



On 6/9/15 12:06 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
How about throwing the Montana farmers off their land?  They are 
clearly commies in the hire of third world kleptos.


On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 11:21 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:


Clearly the answer is to raise taxes and send the money to
turd-world kleptocrats, or the UN (I repeat myself)!

--R



On 6/9/15 10:57 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

Or farmers to tell us the painful truth.  They must all be
government
agents!

On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 10:46 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:

Nothing new here, the earth's climate has always been
changing.  Andrew -
you should know that.  Even I took "rocks for jocks" in
college...

Humans excel at adjusting to a changing world.  We don't
need increased
government or higher taxes or energy costs to do that...

-
Max
Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Farmers cannot be trusted - what would they know about climate change?

2015-06-09 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
Do like in Liberia and give the land to oppressed black folks. That worked so 
well...
-Curt
  From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
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Cc: Andrew Strasfogel  
 Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 12:06 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Farmers cannot be trusted - what would they know about 
climate change?
   
How about throwing the Montana farmers off their land?  They are clearly
commies in the hire of third world kleptos.

On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 11:21 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Clearly the answer is to raise taxes and send the money to turd-world
> kleptocrats, or the UN (I repeat myself)!
>
> --R
>
>
>
> On 6/9/15 10:57 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> Or farmers to tell us the painful truth.  They must all be government
>> agents!
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 10:46 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>>  Nothing new here, the earth's climate has always been changing.  Andrew -
>>> you should know that.  Even I took "rocks for jocks" in college...
>>>
>>> Humans excel at adjusting to a changing world.  We don't need increased
>>> government or higher taxes or energy costs to do that...
>>>
>>> -
>>> Max
>>> Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Farmers cannot be trusted - what would they know about climate change?

2015-06-09 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
How about throwing the Montana farmers off their land?  They are clearly
commies in the hire of third world kleptos.

On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 11:21 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Clearly the answer is to raise taxes and send the money to turd-world
> kleptocrats, or the UN (I repeat myself)!
>
> --R
>
>
>
> On 6/9/15 10:57 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> Or farmers to tell us the painful truth.  They must all be government
>> agents!
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 10:46 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>>  Nothing new here, the earth's climate has always been changing.  Andrew -
>>> you should know that.  Even I took "rocks for jocks" in college...
>>>
>>> Humans excel at adjusting to a changing world.  We don't need increased
>>> government or higher taxes or energy costs to do that...
>>>
>>> -
>>> Max
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Farmers cannot be trusted - what would they know about climate change?

2015-06-09 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
Clearly the answer is to raise taxes and send the money to turd-world 
kleptocrats, or the UN (I repeat myself)!


--R



On 6/9/15 10:57 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

Or farmers to tell us the painful truth.  They must all be government
agents!

On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 10:46 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Nothing new here, the earth's climate has always been changing.  Andrew -
you should know that.  Even I took "rocks for jocks" in college...

Humans excel at adjusting to a changing world.  We don't need increased
government or higher taxes or energy costs to do that...

-
Max
Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Farmers cannot be trusted - what would they know about climate change?

2015-06-09 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
Or farmers to tell us the painful truth.  They must all be government
agents!

On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 10:46 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Nothing new here, the earth's climate has always been changing.  Andrew -
> you should know that.  Even I took "rocks for jocks" in college...
>
> Humans excel at adjusting to a changing world.  We don't need increased
> government or higher taxes or energy costs to do that...
>
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> Max
> Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Farmers cannot be trusted - what would they know about climate change?

2015-06-09 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
Nothing new here, the earth's climate has always been changing.  Andrew -
you should know that.  Even I took "rocks for jocks" in college...

Humans excel at adjusting to a changing world.  We don't need increased
government or higher taxes or energy costs to do that...

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Charleston SC
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[MBZ] OT: Farmers cannot be trusted - what would they know about climate change?

2015-06-09 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
Mont. farmers release reports, plan 'frank discussions' about warming's
 impactsPublished: Tuesday, June 9, 2015

The Montana Farmers Union began releasing reports this week that highlight
how climate change is affecting agriculture in Big Sky country.

"We're just trying to educate people that it is here, and maybe if there is
something we can do about it, as people living on farms or people living in
cities, we should take a look at it," said Alan Merrill, president of the
union.

For years, farming organizations have shied away from connecting increasing
bouts of extreme weather and drought to climate change, but Merrill said in
Montana the time has come to have some "frank discussions."

According to U.S. EPA data, since 1900, the average temperature in Montana
has increased 2.4 degrees Fahrenheit.

Instead of touching on the political debate behind climate change, Merrill
said, he hopes to focus more locally on the ways climate change has
affected the individual farmer, many of whom keep daily records.

For example, he said in central Montana's grain belt, seeds are being sown
weeks earlier than they once were and the harvest is coming sooner for
crops like winter wheat.

The reports are based on research by Montana State University, and
community meetings are scheduled over the next few months to open up a
dialogue (Tom Lutey, *Billings Gazette*
,
June 7). *-- BP*
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