Curt wrote:
Interesting, for me its showing you and the list once again...
My client put okiebenz in to and Curt in CC. I did a plain reply.
-- Philip
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Scott Ritchey wrote:
An Aeromexico Boeing 767-200, ... was rotating for takeoff from
Madrid's runway 36L when the tail of the aircraft contacted the
runway surface leaving debris behind.
Jon wrote:
Holy Batman! I’ve been flying 757-767’s for 8 years now, and
have never seen
Scott Ritchey wrote:
An Aeromexico Boeing 767-200, ... was rotating for takeoff
from Madrid's runway 36L when the tail of the aircraft
contacted the runway surface leaving debris behind.
Jon wrote:
Holy Batman! I’ve been flying 757-767’s for 8 years now, and
have
Rich wrote:
Also, worth taking the BJs and associated bits to a Benz shop
to have them press the new BJ in with the proper tool, will
take just a few minutes and not cost much,
Fmiser wrote:
Unless the nearest shop is over 100 miles [160 km] away. Then
it can be quicker
Max wrote:
+1 on the M1 ATF. Definitely sounds like it may help your
transmission.
Dwight wrote:
I also used M 1 gear oil in manny tranny of my stick 240D.
Craig wrote:
Use only ATF in Mercedes manual transmissions. Gear oil will
damage them.
Curt wrote:
When I registered the Jetta the guy at the DMV noticed it
hadn't been registered for 2 years Oh geez, you're going to
have to pay a fine. I'd been expecting it so I asked what it
would cost me. Oh geez he says, its fifty bucks. looked at
me like it was my left arm he
Dwight wrote:
I also used M 1 gear oil in manny tranny of my stick
240D.
Craig wrote:
Use only ATF in Mercedes manual transmissions. Gear oil
will damage them.
Dwight wrote:
Is that spec for 78 240D? MB indy shop put it in.
Curt wrote:
John Reames wrote:
I understand the service techs see the v6 models more, and that
they are runflat/def models...
WILTON wrote:
runflat/def?
I'm Guessing DEF means Diesel Exhaust Fluid - or Blutech.
Runflat I suppose refers to no spare tire as the installed tires
are run-flat
I have voice my uncertainty about the supposed risks of ethenol in gasoline.
Well, about a week ago my one push mower started running really
poorly. It acted like a fuel problem, so I kinda wondered if the
ethenol muck had finally got me. This is the mower I use rather
infrequently. I don't
Andrew wrote:
The tach in my 1983 300TD is temperamental, and probably on its
last legs. Half the time it's pegged at zero then it behaves
erratically and eventually calms down and performs correctly.
Sure sounds like the classic symptoms of poor connections on the
tach amp socket. This is
OK wrote:
IIRC, the V8 has more torque, which is what a truck needs.
Well, no. Not really. But sort of.
Nothing against you Don, but this is a very common
miss-perception. So I'm not picking on you - just using your
comment as motivation to respond. *smiles*
Torque is rotational force.
OK wrote:
Now, if I understand correctly, if my pickup has the required
torque to pull the 4000 lb. trailer up Grapevine, and your lawn
tractor doesn't, I'll be moving and you won't. So torque does
matter, but more HP with the required torque means the work gets
performed faster.
Andrew wrote:
What countries is she passing through, to get where exactly? She
who must be admired?
Excerpts from the very post you just quoted
Parts of the AlCan are still pretty rough
Put the car on a barge or ship in Portland or Seattle and fly up.
Seattle and Portland are the Sam's
OK Don wrote:
IIRC, the V8 has more torque, which is what a truck needs.
Fmiser wrote:
Well, no. Not really. But sort of.
Jim wrote:
It's a good first approximation. Torque maps to
acceleration, whereas horsepower maps to top speed.
A 200HP 400#' engine will likely be
Randy, your issue is the fault of your email client.
Your user agent is shown as
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A couple other headers:
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Sender: Mercedes mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
OK wrote:
as if there are no emissions from the generation of that
electricity in the first place. Very irresponsible reporting.
But typical. Nay, not just typical but so common as to be nearly
guaranteed!
Better called, remote emission rather than zero emission - but
who really expects
Curt wrote:
VCDS (the VW checking software) says its the shutoff solenoid,
The shutoff solenoid lives on the top of the IP and does what it
says it does. Mine reads direct to ground with the wire removed,
I'm going to say thats a bad one.
I really like the way the Cummins 14L BigCam
Fmiser wrote:
On my 123s, I have a few times disconnected the vacuum line so
the engine won't shut off.
I'm trying to figure out a way to accomplish that with my 6.2L
Detroit...
MG wrote:
Simple. Disconnect the original cutoff wire on the injection pump
and put in a separate
Randy wrote:
Canon inkjet printer - multi ink tanks type
Has been sitting for a year or more
I'm pretty sure the Canon printer cartridges include the print
head. So new cartridges should solve all dried ink problems.
Presuming the mechanicals are still okay.
-- Philip
The supply seemed endless, even though I well knew it wasn't.
Nevertheless, while the cardboard box is not quite empty yet, it
will be soon...
And then - when the last 35mm film canister is gone - what will I
use to store small parts? I never had very many of the metal ones,
but those are quite
Curt Raymond wrote:
At the Nissan dealership to drive pickups yesterday I talked
him into letting us drive the Nissan Leaf electric car.
Randy wrote:
If, all of you folks down south of the border were to get
electric vehicles, your electric grid would not be able to handle
the
Curt Raymond wrote:
At the Nissan dealership to drive pickups yesterday I talked
him into letting us drive the Nissan Leaf electric car.
Randy wrote:
If, all of you folks down south of the border were to get
electric vehicles, your electric grid would not be able to
Andrew wrote:
If you coast downhill in an EV does that recharge the battery?
Coasting? No.
Braking - yes, at some level. Those of us who are familiar with
driving an internal combustion engine are familiar with engine
braking caused by the restriction of air passing through the
engine.
Jerry wrote:
I have come to appreciate the benefits of applying penetrants
such as Liquid Wrench prior to dismantling metal fasteners
I have had little success with stubborn handles (on a splined
shaft) despite applying Liquid Wrench over a period of days and
using a puller intended for
Dan wrote:
Take a look at my work in progress web site at www.meuxette.com
Constructive comments and criticism are welcome.
Okay... Fair warning - I'm opinionated and blunt. Please don't
take it personal. *smiles*
The image is a png. I like png files - but for photos they are
large
Allan wrote:
Are the button type batteries of a size all the same? I have an
old stopwatch which doesn't have a battery installed. Will any
battery that fits work?
Probably.
There are a few odd ones that are 3V, or such. But for the most
part, the physical size is all that really matters.
Jim wrote:
There's a lot to be said for NON-wysiwyg, aka wisiwiw,
using something like emacs. The learning curve is a
bit steeper, but there are no surprises and you're
in complete control of everything. A browser refresh
is fast, and that's all you need to see if a change
came out right
Curt wrote:
We've been going through this with Angie's business, she's
learning how to give the attaboy (or attagirl as the case may me)
to her staff. She tells me They know they're appreciated to
which I ask did you tell them?
Its actually one of the complaints I have about where I
Craig wrote:
Does anyone still use CB radios anymore?
Yeah - I have a CB radios - and use em.
Rich wrote:
Just buy some of those little hand-held radios, they are cheap and some have
quite
good range, certainly enough for car-car.
Those little FRS radios work, but are a pain because
Rich wrote:
We should make one of a Benz diesel
Hmm. Maybe I will.
http://truckyeah.jalopnik.com/you-can-finally-sleep-like-a-trucker-with-this-diesel-e-1644019215
Ahhh. For those who have slept to that sound... But it's really
more than just the sound, the bed needs to vibrate a bit
G wrote:
I grew up with full access to the family machine shop, which was
equipped to build just about anything. Being inventive, I came up
with the idea to make a carbide cannon.. carbide being an easy
source of acetylene gas, which delivers excellent explosive
energy.
Shortly my
Jim wrote:
The 560 SEL has been running worse and worse lately.
Intermittently. Feels like a misfire at low RPM's, it's pretty
much fine when revved up. It's back to dying at times when
trying to start out. I believe I smell gas when it's acting up.
I'm thinking bad connection in the
Craig wrote:
What is your favorite pressure gauge?
What type is it (stick, dial, digital, etc.)?
My favorite for the garage is one I built from a dial gauge and a
straight Schraeder fitting. But the glass dial face doesn't travel
so well. (The glass is currently held together with shoego)
Randy wrote:
Is it possible to save video from Youtube?
Yes.
I use youtube-dl, a python program. I use it on Linux. I use it
for all my youtube viewing because of the poor performance of my
internet connection.
http://rg3.github.io/youtube-dl/
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Craig wrote:
It did, however, inspire a wild idea: Purchase a tractor and
trailer and use those to move to Indiana. Then I could have
another source of income once I got there.
I'm sure there are many requirements to this that I don't know. I
think such vehicles need to be inspected, but
Craig wrote:
I'm sure there are many requirements to this that I don't know.
I think such vehicles need to be inspected, but I'm not sure.
Beyond that, how hard could it be? :-)
Dan wrote:
CDL, interstate road taxes, insurance, etc.
Being an owner-operator is not a terribly
G wrote:
Mercedes content: If I put a Mercedes star on my ice boat, will
it go faster?
Yes! Of course it will!
But - where are you using an ice boat? On the frozen sunshine on
the back 40?
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Andrew wrote:
I'm leaning toward a used starter off a 60,000 mile 240 D with a
6 month warranty from PG Auto. Unless someone can personally
recommend a good brand of remann'ed starters.
The original OM616 starters don't spin fast enough for a OM617.
They physically interchange, so Q told
Andrew wrote:
I'm leaning toward a used starter off a 60,000 mile 240 D with a
6 month warranty from PG Auto. Unless someone can personally
recommend a good brand of remann'ed starters.
Do what you want - but years ago Q told me the OM616 starters
weren't quite as powerful as the OM617
Greg wrote:
We have an eclectic collection of LPs of all types of music.
... then saved them to MP3 files
Since I am a rank beginner at doing this, I am curious if any of
you have experience with this activity to share.
Yeah. Don't use MP3, certainly not for archive master. If you
Curly McLain wrote:
The EAC would be used in place of Audacity?
Rick wrote:
In addition to. Audacity is used to create wav (analog) files
from the vinyl records. EAC (Exact Audio Copy) is used to convert
the wav files to mp3, flac, etc. digital files. I have used EAC
for converting
Curly wrote:
If you want to store the files on a hard drive, and never need to
make a cd or dvd, (or mp3 player) wouldn't it be possible to save
the file as a .wav analog file and play that on demand? Or is
the .wav way to big to do this?
You could. But a FLAC is a smaller file plus has
OK wrote:
Does anyone have the answer to Curly's question?
Yes. I'm just slow. *smiles*
-- Philip
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Greg wrote:
Much of our collection other than classical music has been rode
hard and put away wet. The audio restoration software of Sound
Forge produces a remarkable improvement in the listenability of
these LPs.
A step I forgot to mention is to wash the LP. Use dish soap, warm
water,
OK Don wrote:
Keep us informed of your progress - I have a
bunch of 78's to digitize, as well as some LPs, but haven't
gotten started yet. Perhaps someday when I get bored . . .
Rich wrote:
Audacity will take a 78 played at 45 and turn it into the proper
speed. I ripped some old
David wrote:
Oh wise list members. Perhaps one of you can identify an
electronic component for me.
Everything looks good inside except, as shown in the
attached photograph, a small dull red pill apparently
overheated. It is in line from the recently blown fuse to a
David wrote:
Oh wise list members. Perhaps one of you can identify an
electronic component for me.
Everything looks good inside except, as shown in the
attached photograph, a small dull red pill apparently
overheated. It is in line from the recently blown fuse to a
Dan wrote:
Looks like an MOV, or metal oxide varistor.
MOVs are a form of semiconductor device that act like a sponge,
so to speak, and prevent voltages above a certain threshold to be
“clamped” or absorbed by the MOV.
Sorry Dan, I can't leave that one alone.
An MOV is better described
Curly wrote:
I have internet from the cable company, but no cable tv. Since
the cable company can run tv and internet over the same cable in
the house, is there a way I can take a coax from the antenna, and
put that in the coax with the internet?
Technically - yes. Practically -
Rick wrote:
I am right between Chicago and South Bend. I need two antennas to
receive broadcasts from both cities. Can I use a coax splitter as
a combiner? I have looked for a combiner and I can't seem to find
one.
No.
If there are no channel overlaps, it seems might work. From a
Curly wrote:
I saw the cheapest 75 to 300 ohm antenna converters on fleabay
are $4. Lowes has them for $4 with no wait. Coax, however is a
different story. $15 for 50' at lowes, and under 8 bucks on
fleabay.
Amp $20 at lowes. $17 for the lease expensive 4 output (Same) on
Dan wrote:
I need to set up a Linux system on a laptop so I can run a Linux
VM, probably VirtualBox. I'm thinking Ubuntu, but I'm not
partial to any one particular distro.
This is just for training purposes, nothing long term. I need it
to be simple and easy to set up.
Suggestions
Meade wrote:
I am a total newbie.
I've been dabbling with Ubuntu running as a VM in VirtualBox,
which for various reasons had no internet access.
I found it beyond my meager IT skills to add any software beyond
what came in the Ubuntu download. In other words, I wanted to
load PuTTY
Curt wrote:
This was a few years ago but due to licensing issues Ubuntu
didn't come with the capability to play most video files, this
was a big problem for me as I wanted to use it for a media
machine. IIRC at one point it couldn't even play mp3 files. With
other distros there was a very
Curt wrote:
I find Ubuntu very locked down. I've had better luck with Mint,
Mepis and Puppy which is what I'm typing this on right now...
Curly wrote:
Tell us more. locked down how, or in respect to what? I am
planning to replace 4 windows xp desktops at a small company with
Rick wrote:
I had a call from a friend who wants the engine from a spare 1982
300d i have. He wants to put it in a toyota pickup .. he says
there are kits, etc to do it
i think they mate the benz engine to the toyota transmission
he and a friend plan to do two of them over the next few
Kaleb wrote:
I leave the hoods up to cut
down on rats nests.
Mitch wrote:
What happens if you put poison blocks next to the tires?
Poison _might_ diminish the rats population - but it will almost
certainly diminish their natural predators which can make the
problem worse.
fmiser wrote:
Poison _might_ diminish the rats population - but it will almost
certainly diminish their natural predators which can make the
problem worse.
Mitch wrote:
Death from secondhand warfarin poisoning?
While I wouldn't choose to eat the flesh of a rodent that died
from
Dan wrote:
http://philadelphia.craigslist.org/for/4802420703.html
Hey! It's even listed as 5 cylinder!
I'd call this a knowledgeable and trustworthy listing!!
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Curt wrote:
Gas has been inching down here but diesel is holding rock steady,
This is the off-season for gasoline, but because diesel is similar
to heating oil this is the on-season. So I have heard.
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fmiser wrote:
There was a fellow here years ago that made a 4WD 300TD using a
Nissan pickup chassis. As I recall, part of the reason he
choose Nissan running gear is the divorced transfer case -
which means he was using the Mercedes transmission.
Nope. Still can't remember his
Curly wrote:
Speaking of advanced designs made by people with slide rules...
From the 1930s
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daimler-Benz_DB_601#mediaviewer/File:Daimler-Benz-DB_601A.jpg
Held records for quite a few years. Also industrial art.
Reading the article, that engine has
OK wrote:
I'm looking for a free or low cost basic video editor for
Windows.
I wonder if any of the editors I have on Linux also have a MSWin
port. I have not looked.
kdenlive
cinelerra
openmovieeditor
openshot
pitivi
kino
avidemux - no disolves, can re-encode or not.
And I think I heard
Andrew wrote:
Anyway, at idle there doesn't appear to be much difference in
heat. My tech is betting it's the monovalve, with the ACC module
a close second. I have a spare ACC module so will test this
first before purchasing a monovalve. I did notice that the
faster I drove and the
G wrote:
What I find, on a daily basis, is the lack of ability to apply
information using the principles of logic and moral character
which our generation seemed to be given from birth.
I have to disagree. It is learned, it is not somehow an intrinsic
trait. Maybe _trained_ since birth -
Curt wrote:
I'm also curious why my text comes back
tiny in your replies but nobody elses...
Real email is plaintext. :)
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Russ wrote:
Had the pleasure of meeting [Sikorsky] about 5 years before he
died. Very Interesting man, Have a autographed poster
of him flying the VS-300 with his fedora firmly planted on his
head.
Curt wrote:
Boy I'd like to see that picture...
Maybe it's this one?
Craig wrote:
There were places east of Colorado Springs that didn't get
electricity until after WW2.
Aren't there places east of Colorado Springs that _still_ don't
have electricity?
That part of Colorado is _sparsely_ populated.
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Randy wrote:
I have a similar story of my own but not for a motorhome.
My 86 Taurus kept make growling noises but I could not see
anything wrong with it.
I had no tools with...
For shame!
... to buy the things I had not thought of earlier - hand
cleaner, paper towel, a screwdriver,
Four years ago I refreshed the clutch master cylinder pulled from
one of the parts cars to put in a 240 that I drive. I could not
find any new rubber parts, so is wasn't really a rebuild - just a
bore hone and cleanup. But it lasted four years.
And then it failed.
And I really miss Q!
For
WILTON wrote:
... and the Aladdin lamp was significantly better than Abe's
candle, I'm sure.
I sure like my Aladdin lamps! Not as bright a pressure lantern
like the Coleman but the light is nice, not font to pressurize, and
it burns kerosine.
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Rick wrote:
Probably the best options for parts would be,
1. Local dealer you are on a first name, chat over coffee, basis
with. (discount$)
Nope. The closest dealer is over 100 miles away.
2. Gary at buyeuroparts dot com.
Personalities aside, business is business.
No way. There
Curt wrote:
There are kerosene Coleman lanterns too.
I know. *smiles* Rare as working ACC-I systems. I'm keeping my
eye open for a Petromax. Still need the font pressurized, though.
Lately I'm into Tilly though. Weird little lanterns. I've got an
Aladdin that Fred gave me, nice and
Fmiser wrote:
Four years ago I refreshed the clutch master cylinder pulled
from one of the parts cars to put in a 240 that I drive. I
could not find any new rubber parts, so is wasn't really a
rebuild - just a bore hone and cleanup. But it lasted four
years.
And then it failed.
Fmiser wrote:
Another way to tell the rod is too long is in mounting.
If there is fluid in the master cylinder, the rod (and
piston) will move a millimeter or two before the supply
port is covered. At this point, it becomes _very_ hard to
press because any pressure is trying to
Huh? Where is the problem? Who is the instigator?
I wrote a description of my experience installing my clutch master
cylinder. Someone replied with a list of recommended sources.
I replied to all three suggestions. Local dealer, Gary,
ClassicCenter. No one seems to have any issues with my
Curt wrote:
I hate auto door locks, they ignore the fact that you might have
the door unlocked for a reason
Curly wrote:
When i first started driving the company 99 grancara van I soon
learned to roll down the window if I ever got out and didn't take
the key along. That way IF the
Andrew wrote:
So what would be your favorite tire brand if you were a
blindfolded passenger... ?
I have never been blindfolded in one of my cars, and I rarely am
the passenger - so why would that be a purchase criteria? Just asking.
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For the last 6 months or so the heater blower motor has
occasionally been squeaking. A few days ago it was clearly
getting worse. Time to do something about it.
Seeing as I am a cheapskate, I didn't really want to spend the
money to buy a replacement unless it truly needed to be
replaced. In a
Curt wrote:
Make sure you've got good sound recording so when they talk to
each other and mention names you'll have them on record.
CAUTION In most states, such an audio recording is UNLAWFUL!
Unless at least one party in the conversation is aware of the
recording. A posted sign on
Rick wrote:
what do the teeth do on it?
The teeth engage in a rack attached to the mounting bracket.
Turning the bolt causing the alternator to pivot - either to
tighten or loosen the belt. Unless the mounting bracket isn't flat
so the teeth don't fully engage, or the teeth are wore off.
G wrote:
I suggest a trip to Harbor Freight for an infrared thermometer,
item #60725.
It has a red laser beam that is point and shoot. It will then
read the temp in C or F [you pick] of what ever you point the
laser at. It will tell you in seconds if you have hot water in
the hose.
I
fmiser fez:
OpenOffice was purchased by Oracle.
So most of the clever people there got fed up with
do-nothing and created a fork that is more
open/free/libre. This is called LibreOffice.
So there are two. Which is better? I like the license of
LibreOffice better. But there is
Curly wrote:
big snip once people learn libre office and thunderbird, they
they can learn *buntu and we will be away from the M$ desktop.
Rick wrote:
Good for you,(attaboy) and good for them. I had an Ubuntu program
on my last box that moved the maximize, minimize, and close
window
Randy wrote:
So, what is it?
I did a quick seach and what I read suggested it is sort of an
offshoot of Open Office.
Is there a difference, and if so what advantages are there?
OpenOffice was purchased by Oracle. Nothing had changed for a
_long_ time, which wasn't much of a surprise
An update to the saga.
A month ago I purchased a replacement clutch master cylinder
from MercedesSource. The website did NOT list the
manufacturer - but it came with both a short and a long rod.
It came in a TRW box, and Lucas was cast into the body. I
was not pleased.
After installing the
G. wrote:
what's the list's consensus regarding URO products?
What!??!?? Are you really asking that?
Check the archive. Or read the list occasionally.
The opinion is Run!!! Run away!!!
URO products would not be worth it if all you had to pay for was
the shipping.
Scott wrote:
I bought 2003 2WD Sonoma (same as Chevy S-10) from a neighbor's
widow a few years back.
I bought a used Torsen unit but haven't installed it yet.
The torsen is great! In most conditions, it will actually
outperform a locked differential.
Questions/opinions: (1) What
Randy wrote:
I have to say that there is a world of difference
between a new F150 Supercrew and a 60's Chevy pickup.
I also had a 1968 C10 Chevy for about 24 years. It was
a good truck but not nearly so nice to drive and ride in
as the newer ones are.
Times have changed
archer75--- wrote:
Just got this from friend:
Specs on the Engine: 190 HP at 3,400 RPM, GM 6.5 turbo, 380 ft.
lbs. of torque at 1,700 RPM. The turbo is larger than (mechanic)
had seen on that engine before.
Transmission: Hydromatic 4L80-E, electronic transmission with
overdrive.
archer75--- wrote:
Friend bought a '35 pusher motor home with a GM 6.5 pickup diesel
engine. He plans to drive it nationwide including the west coast.
Would that engine get it up the mountains; especially those on
the west coast?
Yes. Not very fast though. If it's not turbocharged (most
Philip wrote:
...That is, the short rod was not short enough.
Mountain wrote:
What year is the car?
The car is a very early '81. The master cylinder that was in it
came from a very late '81.
I thought the problem was that my 240D is an '84 euro. We had the
same problem. Something
Craig posted:
The Justice Department has been building a national database to
track in real time the movement of vehicles around the U.S.
Rich wrote:
I also saw in this morning's paper that the po-pos were all bent
because some google app lets people post the po-po's locations,
and
G wrote:
1. Engine seized, but I can get it running.
2. Air blows ice cold.
3. Hardly any rust [in the missing floor boards].
4. It will buff right out. Slight parking lot dent in rear
quarter panels.
5. Original Mercedes paint. [where ever there is still paint]
6. Slight assembly
G. wrote:
I ordered the 0.202mm Nichrome wire and repaired both units.
From where did you order the wire?
Curious minds want to know. Well, at least my mind wants to.
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Curt wrote:
I think there is some kind of physiological change that takes
place.
Today its a toasty 23F, I went out and yanked the engine out of
my snowmobile and didn't even feel chilled.
I was like that once.
Seems as the years increase, the ability to manage cold decreases.
Curly wrote:
I am going to revive an old topic. I tried loading the latest
ubuntu on a P4 box, and it choked for 2 reasons. 14.04 requires
a dvd... the installer sez the machine video won't support 14.04.
I though one major selling point was that it did not require the
latest hardware?
dseretakis--- wrote:
I got Curt and Dwight's former 240D to start this am in 14 degree
temp. I put it through two 30 sec glow cycles and one 20 sec
crank and it fired up. Compression couldn't be that bad!
It still does it's weird temp fluctuation thing so I can only
drive it around town
dseretakis wrote:
Remind me where the shell is placed. Do I block open the top
part of the tstat?
Craig wrote:
It's placed along the central rod (the shell has to be split
lengthwise and wrapped around the central rod) so the thermostat
is forced open.
That means either working
Rick wrote:
Sent from my BlackBerry Z10
That probably has more computing power than the Gemini, Apollo,
and original space shuttle combined.
I'm pretty sure it also out performs the original Cray supercomputer...
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