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KC135 wet takeoffs are impressive inside the airplane too, especially in the cargo area behind the engines. > -Original Message- > From: Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes > When I was a kid my dad worked at an army base in Riyadh and you could > always tell when the 135s took off to refuel the

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Back in the day I had an instructor who advised: In the event of engine failure (in a single engine light aircraft) the safest thing to do is to crash straight ahead. In a light twin with engine failure the safest thing to do is shut down the other engine and crash straight ahead. >

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Correct on all accounts -- On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 2:08 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > I remembered a lot of the details wrong with the orange silicone guy. > http://www.kathrynsreport.com/2014/06/toledo-lincoln-county-oregon.html > > It was the fuel flow

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I remembered a lot of the details wrong with the orange silicone guy. http://www.kathrynsreport.com/2014/06/toledo-lincoln-county-oregon.html It was the fuel flow transducer, not the carburetor, that he plugged with a loose lump of silicone. He was in radio contact with nobody. He was about

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When I was a kid my dad worked at an army base in Riyadh and you could always tell when the 135s took off to refuel the awacs because the rafters would literally shake and the skylights would rattle. His office was basically right next to the runway. That was in the 70s and 80s, before the 135

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You can't lump all homebuilts into one group. I've wondered about flying the ultralights where the stall at 25 and cruise at 45. Not much spread there. An average Tailwind stalls at about 65-70 and cruises at 180 - plenty of spread! This from a 1953 design ... no, it was never true. On Mon, Jan

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On Sun, 5 Jan 2020 05:26:24 -0500 Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: > Here’s a picture of my youngest son in the “boomer’s” cradle in a > KC-135. Don’t ask how I got it: No picture attached, Dan. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives

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In a lot of the experimental incident reports I saw, it was 'mechanic error (owner/pilot/mechanic being the same person) > power loss > pilot error (often pulling the stick back in a panicky attempt to increase glide distance) > fatality. One classic example: 60 year old builds, IIRC, a

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<<< I've been involved with the home built / experimental aircraft world for the past 40+ years and the most common cause of accidents remain's "pilot error", rather than "aircraft stall", so I think it is unlikely the original premise was well founded. The difference between cruise speed

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There is a good vid on this by AOPA looking at LSA safety issues. On Sun, Jan 5, 2020, 11:27 PM archer75--- via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > On Sun, 5 Jan 2020 11:40:41 -0600 > OK Don via Mercedes wrote: > > > The Tailwind can operate out of almost any airport, while the canards >

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On Sun, 5 Jan 2020 11:40:41 -0600 OK Don via Mercedes wrote: > The Tailwind can operate out of almost any airport, while the canards need > a long runway. Someone built a Long-eze here on our 2600 ft. airport and > didn't manage to clear the trees at the end. Made a mess of broken > fiberglass.

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I think it would be very nice to have in a "new to you" aircraft, but after the initial novelty, I don't think I'd look at it in the C182. On Sun, Jan 5, 2020 at 3:28 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Hard to argue that knowing the angle of attack is going to hurt,

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Hard to argue that knowing the angle of attack is going to hurt, though. On Sun, Jan 5, 2020, 12:41 PM G Mann via Mercedes wrote: > Stall event is not just an angle of attack function. Many other factors can > and do come into play, such as aircraft weight [fuel load, cargo, drag, and > air

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Stall event is not just an angle of attack function. Many other factors can and do come into play, such as aircraft weight [fuel load, cargo, drag, and air density, ice accumulation, etc etc]. Angle of attack indication only gets you "somewhere in the ballpark of when stall will occur". Good

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> On January 5, 2020 at 12:40 PM OK Don via Mercedes > wrote: > > > Stalls that kill people are the result of poor piloting - not managing the > airspeed and un-coordinated turns at slow speed and low And now you can put a pretty band-aid on that. It's quite popular with the Lancair

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The Tailwind can operate out of almost any airport, while the canards need a long runway. Someone built a Long-eze here on our 2600 ft. airport and didn't manage to clear the trees at the end. Made a mess of broken fiberglass. My C182A with nothing special gets off the ground in approx. 800 - 900

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I don't know how close the KC-135 and the 707 are. Yes, the KC-135 engines have been upgraded at least once, and they are talking about doing it again. On Sun, Jan 5, 2020 at 8:46 AM Peter Frederick via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Dredging back into my less and less reliable

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Dredging back into my less and less reliable memory, I don't think a KC-135 is actually the same as a 707 -- I believe I remember that the 707 fuselage is wider (and hence a completely different design) and last time I looked, admittedly many years ago, the engines on the KC-135 had not been

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There’s a refueling group at MacDill AFB here in Tampa that is all KC-135s, so I see them daily out of my office window as they take off and land. I was thinking more of the commercial versions, since they’re far rarer. Here’s a picture of my youngest son in the “boomer’s” cradle in a KC-135.

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I was looking at building a cozy and then got distracted by quickie 2s, which are quick but a bit too deadly for me to think about. I can do pretty much everything needed to build a Tailwind and it would make a nice long term project. I can do everything needed to build a Lancair or a quickie

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The Tailwind (one of them anyway) holds the record for speed in it's class in the SARL races - averaging 235 around a closed course. I think he hits over 250 ... It was the first amateur built experiment to be certified to carry passengers by the FAA in (IIRC) 1955. Steve Wittman, the designer and

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The 707's are still flying - over my house almost everyday, though they are called KC-135's now. My son, the engineer, over see's repairs on the fleet at Tinker AFB now. They can make any part they need to keep them in the air. It's quite the operation. I forget the frequency, but they come into

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I'm sure Catto would make me a small 3 blade prop that's reasonably efficient at 3200rpm/140hp/200kts/FL120 and cruises nicely at 2800-3000rpm. But takeoff and low speed climb performance would stink. Blades would probably be stalled on the runway. And of course the prop/hub would cost me

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On Sat, 4 Jan 2020 10:48:17 -0600 Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: > Maybe I can sell or half my fleet of junkers and buy one. Or just get rid of > all but what I drive. That would probably be the smart thing to do. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jan 4, 2020, at 10:36 AM, Max Dillon via

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> On January 4, 2020 at 7:14 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes > wrote: > > > Are you building one of those airplanes Mitch? Only in my dreams. First started dreaming in 2018 when I found an ad for an unbuilt 25 year old Lancair 235 kit for $8k. It appears that Tailwind (fixed gear) falls

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You'd still need to use a PSRU of some sort for reasonable power and prop speeds. I'm not a fan of those either. On Sat, Jan 4, 2020 at 6:08 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > I'd like to use the current GM LE2 1.4L. Very lightweight and > 'turbo-normalized'. > But

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Are you building one of those airplanes Mitch? On Sat, Jan 4, 2020, 4:08 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote: > I'd like to use the current GM LE2 1.4L. Very lightweight and > 'turbo-normalized'. > But you've got to wind it up past 3000rpm to get serious power, which > means a small propeller...

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I'd like to use the current GM LE2 1.4L. Very lightweight and 'turbo-normalized'. But you've got to wind it up past 3000rpm to get serious power, which means a small propeller... (I am not a fan of Subaru or Mazda engines with gearboxes) Mitch. > On January 4, 2020 at 3:01 PM Karl Wittnebel

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If you want to see some of the oldest airframes still in regular service, hang out at KMIA or KFLL and watch the cargo terminals. There are tons of old aircraft still flying cargo into and out of South and Central America. I can recall seeing 707s and even the occasional DC-3 there. I’m sure

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Eventually the fuselage or wings will get enough cracks they aren't economic to repair as the pressurization cycles accumulate. At some point the risk of massive failure will outweigh the cost to replace, and they will be broken up. Very few DC-8 or 707's left, ditto for 727's and early model

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No    but some airframes endure more hours and TO/L cycles than others. Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes January 4, 2020 at 1:50 PM Arent' planes ageless, so long as they are properly maintained? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To

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portholes for your 2 holer? Craig via Mercedes January 4, 2020 at 12:08 PM On Sat, 4 Jan 2020 12:05:29 -0600 OK Don via Mercedes Maybe some non-aircraft use? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives

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Sure they can fly forever, but none of the metal may be the same. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:

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Tailwind for the win! They even used 215 aluminum olds via turned around backwards with the prop bolted to the flywheel at about 160hp in those things. On Sat, Jan 4, 2020, 10:32 AM Mitch Haley via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > On January 4, 2020 at 11:35 AM Max Dillon via

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Arent' planes ageless, so long as they are properly maintained? On Sat, Jan 4, 2020 at 1:18 PM OK Don via Mercedes wrote: > My Dad's plane for 35 years is still flying - N9895A, as is my first > aircraft - N76915. > > On Sat, Jan 4, 2020 at 2:55 AM M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes < >

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That should be "no injuries" in the plane crash, thanks to the parachute. Darn autocorrect! Max Dillon Charleston SC Jan 4, 2020 11:48:20 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes : > Maybe I can sell or half my fleet of junkers and buy one. Or just get rid of > all but what I drive. That would

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My Dad's plane for 35 years is still flying - N9895A, as is my first aircraft - N76915. On Sat, Jan 4, 2020 at 2:55 AM M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > https://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNum_Results.aspx?NNumbertxt=3627H > > Me dad's old plane up until he

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Nope, though I'm still working on it - did a bunch of welding yesterday, will cut and fit tubes for welding today. I'm expecting a cruise of between 165 and 170 knots. On Sat, Jan 4, 2020 at 11:32 AM Mitch Haley via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > I forget, did Don ever get the

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On Sat, 4 Jan 2020 12:05:29 -0600 OK Don via Mercedes wrote: > I'm using them to keep plans from blowing around --- they are too heavy > to use in any of my aircraft. Maybe some non-aircraft use? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives

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I'm using them to keep plans from blowing around --- they are too heavy to use in any of my aircraft. On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 11:04 PM Craig via Mercedes wrote: > > Hm ... Have you figured out any use for them? > > Craig > -- OK Don "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority,

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> On January 4, 2020 at 11:35 AM Max Dillon via Mercedes > wrote: > > > > So when are you going to buy a plane? You could then fly yourself to the > chowda-Q, fly for work and write that off, fly Tin Man or Clay around to > collect cars for you. I forget, did Don ever get the Tailwind

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If you just went on the extreme low end average of about $500 per car probably around $40k. On the extreme low end. If the time was taken to get the ones running that need to be, or actually price and sell them individually I would not be surprised at $100k. Realistically though I have a ton of

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There are no “Kleb cars” in the airplane world. If there were, there would be a lot of dead people. Just out of curiosity, what do you think your “fleet of junkers” is worth? Maybe you could do a “bulk sale” to someone... -D > On Jan 4, 2020, at 11:48 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes >

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Maybe I can sell or half my fleet of junkers and buy one. Or just get rid of all but what I drive. That would probably be the smart thing to do. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 4, 2020, at 10:36 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes > wrote: > >  > So when are you going to buy a plane? You could then

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So when are you going to buy a plane? You could then fly yourself to the chowda-Q, fly for work and write that off, fly Tin Man or Clay around to collect cars for you. Local story yesterday or day before, small plane crashed, so injuries. Plane came down in some big trees, but had a

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Airlines don't want DC-10s -- too expensive to operate compared to a 777 or 767 with similar capacity. However, that makes them 'cheap' by aircraft standards, they fly reasonably well, and with a few exceptions, are well built and strong. The design defects that cause issues with passenger

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If it’s in the air or has been in the air within a few hours. If you’re a subscriber you can see a history of activity, although I believe you can see some information on the aircraft based on the tail number even if you’re not a paid member. -D > On Jan 4, 2020, at 10:22 AM, Kaleb Striplin

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My understanding is fedex has a whole bunch of Dc 10s in their fleet. I guess they make good cargo jets. I’m really sad the 747 is being phased out for passenger use. I have never flown on one and would like to before you can’t anymore. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 4, 2020, at 8:14 AM,

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Can you plug in a tail number and it shows you where it’s at? Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 4, 2020, at 4:30 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes > wrote: > > I’ve done the same on occasion. That and look up 899T (Dad’s V35 Bonanza) to > see where it’s at. I’ll also plug them into Flight Radar and

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It was a mocked up "hybrid" -- and you are right, sure looks like a DC-7 or DC-6 fuselage with jet wings and screwy rear engine setup. Deliberately NOT anything recognizable as a production aircraft to avoid the implication that some commercial aircraft wasn't safe. And not flyable, with

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Wife was watching a movie this morning, “Fate is the Hunter” with Glenn Ford. It’s about an airline crash that is being investigated and Ford is an exec of the airline that owned the plane. What was weird was the plane - it appeared to be some sort of mocked up version of a DC-7. The engine

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It's amazing how long some of those old birds keep working -- someone hauling freight crashed a Convair 240 last fall in northern Illinois I think, built in 1951 or so and still running piston engines! The DC-10 wasn't the worlds best designed or most advanced aircraft for it's time, but like

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I’ve done the same on occasion. That and look up 899T (Dad’s V35 Bonanza) to see where it’s at. I’ll also plug them into Flight Radar and see where they’ve been lately, too. https://www.flightradar24.com/27.94,-82.24/8 Interesting. I’m surprised at the number of red eyes I see. I thoguht the

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https://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNum_Results.aspx?NNumbertxt=3627H Me dad's old plane up until he passed in 1983. I had about 50 hours in it myself back then. On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 11:04 PM Craig via Mercedes wrote: > On Fri, 3 Jan 2020 22:55:54 -0600 OK Don via Mercedes > wrote: >

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On Fri, 3 Jan 2020 22:55:54 -0600 OK Don via Mercedes wrote: > https://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNum_inquiry.aspx Thanks to you and Kaleb. > I have a half dozen brand new cabin windows for DC10's - came as a > package with the other stuff I wanted at an auction Hm ... Have

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https://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNum_inquiry.aspx I have a half dozen brand new cabin windows for DC10's - came as a package with the other stuff I wanted at an auction On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 10:52 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >

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https://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNum_Results.aspx?NNumbertxt=N68052 Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 3, 2020, at 10:42 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote: > > On Fri, 3 Jan 2020 22:35:23 -0600 Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes > wrote: > >> Often times when I am watching movies or TV shows and

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On Fri, 3 Jan 2020 22:35:23 -0600 Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: > Often times when I am watching movies or TV shows and there is an > aircraft that has an N number I can see I sometimes look them up > online. I am current watching The Shining from 1980 and am at the scene > of a Continental

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Quite interesting --FT Sent from iPhone > On Jan 3, 2020, at 11:35 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes > wrote: > > Often times when I am watching movies or TV shows and there is an aircraft > that has an N number I can see I sometimes look them up online. I am current > watching The Shining