Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption Wuz: POLITICS

2014-04-14 Thread Rick Knoble
From:Gary HurstSent:Sunday, April 13, 2014 1:17 PMTo:Mercedes Discussion ListReply To:Mercedes Discussion ListSubject:Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption Wuz: POLITICSnew sheriff . new day. happy times for dwight :)Hopefully we can talk about watches, home remodeling, airplanes, gardening, careers,

Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption Wuz: POLITICS

2014-04-14 Thread Dan Penoff
Certainly. Let's just avoid the contentious stuff. Dan On Apr 14, 2014, at 6:46 AM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote: From: Gary Hurst Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2014 1:17 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Reply To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption Wuz

Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption Wuz: POLITICS

2014-04-14 Thread Andrew Strasfogel
: From: Gary Hurst Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2014 1:17 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Reply To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption Wuz: POLITICS new sheriff . new day. happy times for dwight :) Hopefully we can talk about watches, home remodeling

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2014-04-14 Thread Rich Thomas
stuff. Dan On Apr 14, 2014, at 6:46 AM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote: From: Gary Hurst Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2014 1:17 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Reply To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption Wuz: POLITICS new sheriff . new day. happy times for dwight

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2014-04-14 Thread Andrew Strasfogel
: Gary Hurst Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2014 1:17 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Reply To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption Wuz: POLITICS new sheriff . new day. happy times for dwight :) Hopefully we can talk about watches, home remodeling, airplanes, gardening

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2014-04-14 Thread rogerhga
Do we need approval from the czar to restart the thread on composting corn-based cat litter? Andrew, I'd suggest staying clear of this topic as you could really get the fur flying with that. There has been so much corn-based stuff on this list lately, it could be a slippery slope. Best

Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption Wuz: POLITICS

2014-04-14 Thread arche...@embarqmail.com
Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote: From: Gary Hurst Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2014 1:17 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Reply To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption Wuz: POLITICS new sheriff . new day. happy times for dwight :) Hopefully we can talk about watches, home

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2014-04-14 Thread Scott Ritchey
Dogs have owners. Cats have staff. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Strasfogel Sent: Monday, April 14, 2014 1:19 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption Wuz: POLITICS OK, I have a question

Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption Wuz: POLITICS

2014-04-14 Thread Andrew Strasfogel
have owners. Cats have staff. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Strasfogel Sent: Monday, April 14, 2014 1:19 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption Wuz: POLITICS OK, I have a question

Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption Wuz: POLITICS

2014-04-14 Thread Randy Bennell
On 14/04/2014 2:56 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: I left some tasty dry food in his downstairs apartment late last night, but he forgot to check his food dish and woke me up. I then got out of bed to show him his food dish, and he proceded to happily chow down. You just need more imagination.

Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption Wuz: POLITICS

2014-04-14 Thread Andrew Strasfogel
Perhaps I should make sure he accompanies me downstairs to his room at 11 PM so he knows the food is there? On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 4:10 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 14/04/2014 2:56 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: I left some tasty dry food in his downstairs apartment late

Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption Wuz: POLITICS

2014-04-14 Thread Randy Bennell
It might well be gone by 11:15 PM and he might well feel like a bit more by 5 AM. Randy On 14/04/2014 3:54 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Perhaps I should make sure he accompanies me downstairs to his room at 11 PM so he knows the food is there? On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 4:10 PM, Randy Bennell

Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption Wuz: POLITICS

2014-04-14 Thread Andrew Strasfogel
If only he slept in his apt. and not in the master bedroom On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 4:55 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: It might well be gone by 11:15 PM and he might well feel like a bit more by 5 AM. Randy On 14/04/2014 3:54 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Perhaps I

Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption

2014-04-13 Thread Dieselhead
Punch in Reid behind BLM raid on Bing, or go to: http://www.bing.com/search?q=Reid+behind+blm+raidqs=nform=QBLHpq=reid+behind+blm+raidsc=0-12sp=-1sk=cvid=015aa43f0aef4d3eacdc80b5c56220be BLM trying to sell branded cattle illegally by crossing state lines. That would land anyone else in

Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption

2014-04-13 Thread Dieselhead
Just watch 40 seconds of Lame Stream Media reporting on the end of the great standoff. One of the items reported was that several state legislatures are already submitting bills to keep exactly this sort of thing from being repeated. As reported here by another poster, some indication is given

Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption

2014-04-13 Thread Dieselhead
dirty harry working for the chinese: Dirty Harry/BLM are enforcing for the chinese http://akeupamericans-spree.blogspot.com/2014/04/china-solar-project-behind-bundy-ranch.html#.U0pVACj4Duc for those who don't like that source, there are plenty more. BLM even reported it on their own

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2014-04-13 Thread Larry T
Question, is Public Land and Government Owned Land the same thing? Google says the % of western land owned by the govt is 30% which, IMO, should wave red flags in front of very citizen. All of the land in this great country should belong to the citizens. Check out this map:

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2014-04-13 Thread Peter Frederick
Government land and public owned are the same thing. Held it trust by the Federal Government for public use. That does NOT mean you can do whatever you want with it because you are part of the public, a point that many people choose to confuse. The Interior Department sets rules for use,

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2014-04-13 Thread Andrew Strasfogel
Go for it! On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 10:07 AM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: Question, is Public Land and Government Owned Land the same thing? Google says the % of western land owned by the govt is 30% which, IMO, should wave red flags in front of very citizen. All of the land in

Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption

2014-04-13 Thread Dieselhead
In this case Mr. Bundy is refusing to obey the BLM restrictions on land use... Think of it as the fifth generation of Cartwrights. Ben as first generation, Adam, Hoss and Joe as second generation. Current occupants fifth and sixth generations. Now, Ben was grazing the land before

Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption Wuz: POLITICS

2014-04-13 Thread Dan Penoff
There's our first victim. This is a zero tolerance offense. I hate seem like a jerk, but this has got to stop. Period. Dan Sent from my iPad On Apr 13, 2014, at 1:40 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: The gummit corruption is not a political topic. It is a matter of the

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2014-04-13 Thread Dwight Giles
Thank you Dan. On Apr 13, 2014 1:50 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: There's our first victim. This is a zero tolerance offense. I hate seem like a jerk, but this has got to stop. Period. Dan Sent from my iPad On Apr 13, 2014, at 1:40 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:

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2014-04-13 Thread Gary Hurst
new sheriff . new day. happy times for dwight :) On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 2:12 PM, Dwight Giles dwight.gi...@gmail.comwrote: Thank you Dan. On Apr 13, 2014 1:50 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: There's our first victim. This is a zero tolerance offense. I hate seem like a

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2014-04-13 Thread Andrew Strasfogel
It's not BLM - it's you and me - these are public lands. On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 1:05 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: In this case Mr. Bundy is refusing to obey the BLM restrictions on land use... Think of it as the fifth generation of Cartwrights. Ben as first generation,

Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption Wuz: POLITICS

2014-04-13 Thread Mountain Man
Dieselhead wrote: Our freedom only exists because of those willing to fight and die for it. That sounds like a nice idea to discuss at banned? Otherwise, hopefully you can explain what might seem inane and patriotic for me, please. Are we speaking about support of military industrial complex?

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2014-04-13 Thread Mountain Man
Dan wrote: There's our first victim. Me too? ... tthat's what I get for not reading further in the thread.. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:

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2014-04-13 Thread arche...@embarqmail.com
Seems to be a number of free spirits on this list (you and I included, Gary). Looks like the new sheriff might be busy for a while. (g) Gerry...who wonders if this list has ever been moderated before? On 4/13/2014 2:17 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: new sheriff . new day. happy times for dwight :)

Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption Wuz: POLITICS

2014-04-13 Thread Mountain Man
Gerry wonders: ...who wonders if this list has ever been moderated before? Kathy Kennel did moderation, perhaps? Some of the problem with OT stuff is that there are much fewer old cars that people DIY so this forum might die if not for a modicum of OT stuff. The OT stuff is like Grant pictured

Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption Wuz: POLITICS

2014-04-13 Thread arche...@embarqmail.com
On 4/13/2014 6:31 PM, Mountain Man wrote: Gerry wonders: ...who wonders if this list has ever been moderated before? Kathy Kennel did moderation, perhaps? Some of the problem with OT stuff is that there are much fewer old cars that people DIY so this forum might die if not for a modicum of OT

Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption Wuz: POLITICS

2014-04-13 Thread Gary Hurst
i contend that no one ever need to concerned about me as long as the mob is kept under control, that i fire only when fired upon. the sheriff can expect nothing other than my full support in forging this outlaw town into a place where decent people can settle and raise their families in peace

Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption Wuz: POLITICS

2014-04-13 Thread Dan Penoff
Uhhh, no Chuck Connors, please. I apologize if I came on too strong, as it was not my intent. I was more concerned with those who might attempt to push the envelope, hence my desire to draw a virtual line in the sand. There are those who would continue to beat the proverbial dead horse, if

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2014-04-13 Thread Gary Hurst
well, then, mike connors of the project is scratched he drove a maserati mexico, if i recall correctly. well, i mean, mannix did On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 7:43 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Uhhh, no Chuck Connors, please. I apologize if I came on too strong, as it was not my intent.

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2014-04-13 Thread Jim Cathey
mike connors would make a good penoff. alternatively, chuck connors Jimmy? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:

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2014-04-13 Thread Gary Hurst
yes, jimmy. marshall at night and tennis pro at the kleb city country club by day On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 8:44 PM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: mike connors would make a good penoff. alternatively, chuck connors Jimmy? -- Jim ___

Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption Wuz: POLITICS

2014-04-13 Thread Dan Penoff
Mike Connors, OK. I can do the Mannix thing. Chuck Connors had some, uh, unseemly things in his personal life I wouldn't want to be associated with, thank you very much. Dan please don't call me The Rifleman Sent from my iPad On Apr 13, 2014, at 7:46 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com

Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption Wuz: POLITICS

2014-04-13 Thread Rick Knoble
From:Dan PenoffSent:Sunday, April 13, 2014 6:43 PMTo:Mercedes Discussion ListReply To:Mercedes Discussion ListSubject:Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption Wuz: POLITICS. There are those who would continue to beat the proverbial dead horse,More specific to the topic at hand, "dead cows" and "trim your

Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption

2014-04-12 Thread Andrew Strasfogel
He owes back rent. On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 11:39 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: Whooo there partner. ease up a moment... This family has been ranching that same area since before the Civil War. Almost all ranches in the west are part patent land [private title land] and part

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2014-04-12 Thread Peter Frederick
BLM voided the lease and Mr. Bundy has refused to pay his prior lease payments for quite a few years OR remove his cattle. He is now claiming the STATE can allow him to use his land because the Federal Goverment has no control over it. As I said, unless he has a land grant from the King

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2014-04-12 Thread Michael Canfield
And Federal courts are always right? No. Get all of the facts before calling the man a thief. He is being bullied by thieves! Mike On Apr 11, 2014 10:11 PM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net wrote: That Federal Land has been Federal Land since long before Nevada became a state. Mr.

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2014-04-12 Thread Dieselhead
Whooo there partner. ease up a moment... This family has been ranching that same area since before the Civil War. Almost all ranches in the west are part patent land [private title land] and part BLM lease land. To those of the Eastern persuasion this may sound strange.. but to those

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2014-04-12 Thread Dieselhead
He owes back rent. that is conjured up bull it is not BLM land, it is state land. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:

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2014-04-12 Thread G Mann
Since we are re-trying this case in the High Court of Public Opinion... Please show cause for BLM to cancel the long standing lease with Mr. Bundy. Further, show cause for the use of armed violence against his children and cruel treatment of the animals grazing on the land, which is Open Range,

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2014-04-12 Thread Peter Frederick
No one is disputing his use of his OWN land, which is totally and completely separate from the BLM lands his cattle are being removed from. The land is question is NOT state land, it was Federal land long before Nevada became a state in what, 1917? and the Federal Goverment did NOT

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2014-04-12 Thread Scott Ritchey
: [MBZ] Gummit corruption No one is disputing his use of his OWN land, which is totally and completely separate from the BLM lands his cattle are being removed from. The land is question is NOT state land, it was Federal land long before Nevada became a state in what, 1917? and the Federal

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2014-04-12 Thread Dan Penoff
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption No one is disputing his use of his OWN land, which is totally and completely separate from the BLM lands his cattle are being removed from. The land is question is NOT state land, it was Federal land long before Nevada became a state in what, 1917

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2014-04-12 Thread Mitch Haley
There are so many versions of the Bundy story floating around, it's hard to know what elements are true. I've seen mention of tortoises, and claims that said tortoises are so highly endangered that BLM is euthanizing the surplus population. I've seen claims that the BLM ordered Bundy to reduce

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2014-04-12 Thread G Mann
] On Behalf Of Peter Frederick Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2014 1:05 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption No one is disputing his use of his OWN land, which is totally and completely separate from the BLM lands his cattle are being removed from. The land

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2014-04-12 Thread Dwight Giles
% of the land in Nevada bother anyone? Scott -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Peter Frederick Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2014 1:05 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption No one

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2014-04-12 Thread G Mann
snip End of discussion. Well.. I haven't heard that on the Lame Stream Media.. have I? Thanks for posting that. btw. Certainly I would expect the daughter to know, in full, her families history of use of the land, prior contracts for the land dating back to 1887 would have to have been with

Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption

2014-04-12 Thread Scott Ritchey
-Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan Penoff Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2014 1:28 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption Considering that much of it is very arid open range or mountains and used

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2014-04-12 Thread Dieselhead
Since we are re-trying this case in the High Court of Public Opinion... Please show cause for BLM to cancel the long standing lease with Mr. Bundy. Further, show cause for the use of armed violence against his children and cruel treatment of the animals grazing on the land, which is Open Range,

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2014-04-12 Thread Peter Frederick
Mr. Bundy refused to follow the rules. Mr. Bundy was sued, and lost. Mr. Bundy is refusing to follow court orders. Mr. Bundy is a scofflaw. He is being singled out because everyone else follows the law. He has chosen to make up his own. Mr. Bundy is eventually going to end up in jail

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2014-04-12 Thread Greg Fiorentino
Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Peter Frederick Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2014 8:32 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption Mr. Bundy refused to follow the rules. Mr. Bundy was sued, and lost. Mr. Bundy is refusing to follow

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2014-04-12 Thread G Mann
waiting to see how this shakes out before arriving at a final opinion. Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Peter Frederick Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2014 8:32 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption

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2014-04-12 Thread arche...@embarqmail.com
] On Behalf Of Peter Frederick Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2014 8:32 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption Mr. Bundy refused to follow the rules. Mr. Bundy was sued, and lost. Mr. Bundy is refusing to follow court orders. Mr. Bundy is a scofflaw. He is being singled

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2014-04-11 Thread Peter Frederick
That Federal Land has been Federal Land since long before Nevada became a state. Mr. Bundy is stealing US property for his own profit. Unless he has a land grant from the King of Spain prior to the Mexican War that is grandfathered in by the Treaty of Guadalupe y Hidalgo, he's not got a

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2014-04-11 Thread G Mann
Whooo there partner. ease up a moment... This family has been ranching that same area since before the Civil War. Almost all ranches in the west are part patent land [private title land] and part BLM lease land. To those of the Eastern persuasion this may sound strange.. but to those