Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption Wuz: POLITICS
From:Gary HurstSent:Sunday, April 13, 2014 1:17 PMTo:Mercedes Discussion ListReply To:Mercedes Discussion ListSubject:Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption Wuz: POLITICSnew sheriff . new day. happy times for dwight :)Hopefully we can talk about watches, home remodeling, airplanes, gardening, careers, computers and such still. This place would be pretty dead, if not for some of the Apple vs. Winders vs. Linux debates... Rick Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.The Linux of Smart Phones ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption Wuz: POLITICS
Certainly. Let's just avoid the contentious stuff. Dan On Apr 14, 2014, at 6:46 AM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote: From: Gary Hurst Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2014 1:17 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Reply To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption Wuz: POLITICS new sheriff . new day. happy times for dwight :) Hopefully we can talk about watches, home remodeling, airplanes, gardening, careers, computers and such still. This place would be pretty dead, if not for some of the Apple vs. Winders vs. Linux debates... Rick Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. The Linux of Smart Phones ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption Wuz: POLITICS
Do we need approval from the czar to restart the thread on composting corn-based cat litter? On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 6:53 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Certainly. Let's just avoid the contentious stuff. Dan On Apr 14, 2014, at 6:46 AM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote: From: Gary Hurst Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2014 1:17 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Reply To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption Wuz: POLITICS new sheriff . new day. happy times for dwight :) Hopefully we can talk about watches, home remodeling, airplanes, gardening, careers, computers and such still. This place would be pretty dead, if not for some of the Apple vs. Winders vs. Linux debates... Rick Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. The Linux of Smart Phones ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption Wuz: POLITICS
That is a contentious issue. --R On 4/14/14 12:39 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Do we need approval from the czar to restart the thread on composting corn-based cat litter? On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 6:53 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Certainly. Let's just avoid the contentious stuff. Dan On Apr 14, 2014, at 6:46 AM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote: From: Gary Hurst Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2014 1:17 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Reply To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption Wuz: POLITICS new sheriff . new day. happy times for dwight :) Hopefully we can talk about watches, home remodeling, airplanes, gardening, careers, computers and such still. This place would be pretty dead, if not for some of the Apple vs. Winders vs. Linux debates... Rick Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. The Linux of Smart Phones ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption Wuz: POLITICS
OK, I have a question for the cat shrinks out there (there must be at least 2 or 3 PhDs in feline psychology on the list). My black 16.5 pound Bombay (he has lost 2 lbs. since moving into his new4- level home) wakes me up every morning to feed him. He used to do this between 6 and 6:30 AM, but after daylight savings time he now starts meowing between 5 and 5:30. He cannot be silenced, so I must get out of bed and fed him. What I don't understand is why he now does this an hour earlier. He is fed at the same time every evening. If daylight triggers his hunger, wouldn'tg he be meowing an hour LATER than before the switch to DST? Andrew 1983 300TD 1985 300TD 2004 black Bombay cat (Polydamas) On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 12:50 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: That is a contentious issue. --R On 4/14/14 12:39 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Do we need approval from the czar to restart the thread on composting corn-based cat litter? On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 6:53 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Certainly. Let's just avoid the contentious stuff. Dan On Apr 14, 2014, at 6:46 AM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote: From: Gary Hurst Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2014 1:17 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Reply To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption Wuz: POLITICS new sheriff . new day. happy times for dwight :) Hopefully we can talk about watches, home remodeling, airplanes, gardening, careers, computers and such still. This place would be pretty dead, if not for some of the Apple vs. Winders vs. Linux debates... Rick Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. The Linux of Smart Phones ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption Wuz: POLITICS
Do we need approval from the czar to restart the thread on composting corn-based cat litter? Andrew, I'd suggest staying clear of this topic as you could really get the fur flying with that. There has been so much corn-based stuff on this list lately, it could be a slippery slope. Best Wishes, Roger Roger Hale Dinnerware Classics, Inc. Monroe, Ga. 770-267-0850 www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) www.southernnightsantiques.com (antique) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption Wuz: POLITICS
Find a vet who sells Hills/Science Diet/Prescription cat food. The girl at the desk might be able to help you pick a non-fattening dry food you can leave out 24/7 for kitty to eat when he's hungry. Next time you take kitty to the vet, explain your problem and he/she can set you up on the best complete diet for kitty. It's a little more expensive, but cheaper in the long run since kitty will be healthier. http://www.hillspet.com/ideal-balance/ideal-balance-cat-food.html?utm_source=bingutm_medium=cpcutm_term=utm_campaign=cat_lifestyle_ideal+balance_consideration_top+performer Gerry On 4/14/2014 1:19 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: OK, I have a question for the cat shrinks out there (there must be at least 2 or 3 PhDs in feline psychology on the list). My black 16.5 pound Bombay (he has lost 2 lbs. since moving into his new4- level home) wakes me up every morning to feed him. He used to do this between 6 and 6:30 AM, but after daylight savings time he now starts meowing between 5 and 5:30. He cannot be silenced, so I must get out of bed and fed him. What I don't understand is why he now does this an hour earlier. He is fed at the same time every evening. If daylight triggers his hunger, wouldn'tg he be meowing an hour LATER than before the switch to DST? Andrew 1983 300TD 1985 300TD 2004 black Bombay cat (Polydamas) On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 12:50 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: That is a contentious issue. --R On 4/14/14 12:39 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Do we need approval from the czar to restart the thread on composting corn-based cat litter? On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 6:53 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Certainly. Let's just avoid the contentious stuff. Dan On Apr 14, 2014, at 6:46 AM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote: From: Gary Hurst Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2014 1:17 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Reply To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption Wuz: POLITICS new sheriff . new day. happy times for dwight :) Hopefully we can talk about watches, home remodeling, airplanes, gardening, careers, computers and such still. This place would be pretty dead, if not for some of the Apple vs. Winders vs. Linux debates... Rick Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. The Linux of Smart Phones ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has
Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption Wuz: POLITICS
Dogs have owners. Cats have staff. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Strasfogel Sent: Monday, April 14, 2014 1:19 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption Wuz: POLITICS OK, I have a question for the cat shrinks out there (there must be at least 2 or 3 PhDs in feline psychology on the list). My black 16.5 pound Bombay (he has lost 2 lbs. since moving into his new4- level home) wakes me up every morning to feed him. He used to do this between 6 and 6:30 AM, but after daylight savings time he now starts meowing between 5 and 5:30. He cannot be silenced, so I must get out of bed and fed him. What I don't understand is why he now does this an hour earlier. He is fed at the same time every evening. If daylight triggers his hunger, wouldn'tg he be meowing an hour LATER than before the switch to DST? Andrew 1983 300TD 1985 300TD 2004 black Bombay cat (Polydamas) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption Wuz: POLITICS
I left some tasty dry food in his downstairs apartment late last night, but he forgot to check his food dish and woke me up. I then got out of bed to show him his food dish, and he proceded to happily chow down. On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 3:12 PM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: Dogs have owners. Cats have staff. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Strasfogel Sent: Monday, April 14, 2014 1:19 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption Wuz: POLITICS OK, I have a question for the cat shrinks out there (there must be at least 2 or 3 PhDs in feline psychology on the list). My black 16.5 pound Bombay (he has lost 2 lbs. since moving into his new4- level home) wakes me up every morning to feed him. He used to do this between 6 and 6:30 AM, but after daylight savings time he now starts meowing between 5 and 5:30. He cannot be silenced, so I must get out of bed and fed him. What I don't understand is why he now does this an hour earlier. He is fed at the same time every evening. If daylight triggers his hunger, wouldn'tg he be meowing an hour LATER than before the switch to DST? Andrew 1983 300TD 1985 300TD 2004 black Bombay cat (Polydamas) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption Wuz: POLITICS
On 14/04/2014 2:56 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: I left some tasty dry food in his downstairs apartment late last night, but he forgot to check his food dish and woke me up. I then got out of bed to show him his food dish, and he proceded to happily chow down. You just need more imagination. You need to rig up some sort of auto release setup outside the bedroom. When the cat starts making noises, hit a button that dumps some food and rings a little bell. Pavlov's sort of thing. In no time flat, he should be trained to go eat where and when the bell dings. Maybe even set it up with an clock trigger so it happens just before he would normally start to make noise so that he does not wake you up? Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption Wuz: POLITICS
Perhaps I should make sure he accompanies me downstairs to his room at 11 PM so he knows the food is there? On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 4:10 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 14/04/2014 2:56 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: I left some tasty dry food in his downstairs apartment late last night, but he forgot to check his food dish and woke me up. I then got out of bed to show him his food dish, and he proceded to happily chow down. You just need more imagination. You need to rig up some sort of auto release setup outside the bedroom. When the cat starts making noises, hit a button that dumps some food and rings a little bell. Pavlov's sort of thing. In no time flat, he should be trained to go eat where and when the bell dings. Maybe even set it up with an clock trigger so it happens just before he would normally start to make noise so that he does not wake you up? Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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It might well be gone by 11:15 PM and he might well feel like a bit more by 5 AM. Randy On 14/04/2014 3:54 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Perhaps I should make sure he accompanies me downstairs to his room at 11 PM so he knows the food is there? On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 4:10 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 14/04/2014 2:56 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: I left some tasty dry food in his downstairs apartment late last night, but he forgot to check his food dish and woke me up. I then got out of bed to show him his food dish, and he proceded to happily chow down. You just need more imagination. You need to rig up some sort of auto release setup outside the bedroom. When the cat starts making noises, hit a button that dumps some food and rings a little bell. Pavlov's sort of thing. In no time flat, he should be trained to go eat where and when the bell dings. Maybe even set it up with an clock trigger so it happens just before he would normally start to make noise so that he does not wake you up? Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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If only he slept in his apt. and not in the master bedroom On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 4:55 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: It might well be gone by 11:15 PM and he might well feel like a bit more by 5 AM. Randy On 14/04/2014 3:54 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Perhaps I should make sure he accompanies me downstairs to his room at 11 PM so he knows the food is there? On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 4:10 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 14/04/2014 2:56 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: I left some tasty dry food in his downstairs apartment late last night, but he forgot to check his food dish and woke me up. I then got out of bed to show him his food dish, and he proceded to happily chow down. You just need more imagination. You need to rig up some sort of auto release setup outside the bedroom. When the cat starts making noises, hit a button that dumps some food and rings a little bell. Pavlov's sort of thing. In no time flat, he should be trained to go eat where and when the bell dings. Maybe even set it up with an clock trigger so it happens just before he would normally start to make noise so that he does not wake you up? Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Punch in Reid behind BLM raid on Bing, or go to:
http://www.bing.com/search?q=Reid+behind+blm+raidqs=nform=QBLHpq=reid+behind+blm+raidsc=0-12sp=-1sk=cvid=015aa43f0aef4d3eacdc80b5c56220be
BLM trying to sell branded cattle illegally by crossing state lines.
That would land anyone else in prison.
See this quoted letter:
Begin quote:
A Rancher TELLS ALL:
B Hunt wrote:
I live in SW Utah. I grew up on a ranch less than 100 miles from the
Bundy's ranch. My father knows Cliven Bundy. I know Cliven's son
Ryan. This is not a hoax, it is an action of force by the BLM.
The BLM was going to sell the cattle at one of the smallest cattle
markets in Utah. No cattle markets in Nevada would take the cattle
without a properly signed brand inspection (which the BLM cannot
obtain without Cliven Bundy's signature). The BLM paid the owner of
the Utah cattle market $300,000 to do the sale ('R' Livestock
Connection in Monroe, Utah, owned by one Scott G. Robbins, according
to the Utah Business Entity Search). Utah Governor Herbert stepped in
and forbid them from bringing the cattle into Utah without the
legally required health and brand inspections (which again, require
Bundy's signature) and that no feral cattle are allowed to be
imported at all (per Utah statute). Because Bundy claims ownership
over maybe 350-500 head of branded cattle, the other 500-700
estimated head of cattle would all be considered feral. BLM
officially backed off, but we suspect they are still secretly
shipping them through Utah without any permission to do so, to
private buyers in Colorado. The contract cowboys that the BLM hired
to do the roundup are from Sampson Livestock in Meadow, Utah
(traitors one and all).
From what I understand, Cliven Bundy owns both the Water Rights and
Grazing Rights to all of the land where his cattle run. If Bundy
failed to use them, the Grazing Rights would revert to the BLM and
would be retired, while the Water Rights would revert to the State of
Nevada, likely to be sold to the highest bidder (which would probably
be a bidding war between mineral companies that are behind this
action with the BLM and the City of Las Vegas which is thirsty for
water and has had multiple attempts to buy water-through eminent
domain from Utah farmers and ranchers-from Utah, which were all
blocked by the Utah Legislature and Utah Governor Herbert). Chances
are, the BLM has already filed a claim on the water rights so that
they can sell to the highest bidder (instead of the state) and are
trying to get the cattle off to show that Bundy cannot use the water
beneficially (much like what the US Forest Service and BLM both tried
to do to Wayne Hage).
Now, for Cliven Bundy, he's not fighting this for his cattle or his
own livelihood. He recognizes that he will probably die before this
fight is over. He has said multiple times that he is fighting this to
wake people up about the tyranny of the Federal Government and also
to help wake up the western states about getting the rights to their
own land back from the federal government, which has repeatedly shut
down ranchers and closed off land. (MO = 1st, get all the ranchers,
farmers, Native Americans, and foresters that use the land for
positive, sustainable production off of the land; 2nd, grab up all
the resources; 3rd, close off the lands to public access including
camping, hiking, horseback riding, hunting, fishing, boating,
shooting, etc; 4th, sell off the resources to the highest bidder
regardless of what that will do to the land, the local environment,
or the economy; 5th, collect royalties on the resources in
perpetuity; 6th, reduce and eliminate all SLS and PILT payments to
the states, impoverishing them beyond belief.)
Anyway, thanks for posting about this. It is important for us to be
able to raise the appropriate resistance.
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Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption
Just watch 40 seconds of Lame Stream Media reporting on the end of the great standoff. One of the items reported was that several state legislatures are already submitting bills to keep exactly this sort of thing from being repeated. As reported here by another poster, some indication is given that this may involve Senator Reid, via some convoluted use of a government agency, to support something which he is a stakeholder in. Just like any other citizen, Reid, is innocent until proven guilty, however, charges are already being made which could result in proof of such guilt. The facts mam, Just the facts Any time there is a land grab in NV, dirty harry and his family is generally involved one way or another. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption
dirty harry working for the chinese: Dirty Harry/BLM are enforcing for the chinese http://akeupamericans-spree.blogspot.com/2014/04/china-solar-project-behind-bundy-ranch.html#.U0pVACj4Duc for those who don't like that source, there are plenty more. BLM even reported it on their own website, but then took down the truth. http://www.libertyfederation.com/breaking_sen_harry_reid_behind_blm_land_grab_of_bundy_ranch or http://thatrandomcandidate.com/2014/04/12/sen-harry-reid-behind-blm-land-grab-of-bundy-ranch/ or http://freenorthcarolina.blogspot.com/2014/04/sen-harry-reid-behind-blm-land-grab-of.html or http://im41.com/archives/49379 or http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/04/bombshell-senator-harry-reid-is-behind-nevada-bundy-ranch-land-grab/ or http://www.onecitizenspeaking.com/2014/04/range-war-nevada-rancher-given-reprieve-after-disclosure-of-harry-reids-business-dealings.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption
Question, is Public Land and Government Owned Land the same thing? Google says the % of western land owned by the govt is 30% which, IMO, should wave red flags in front of very citizen. All of the land in this great country should belong to the citizens. Check out this map: http://bigthink.com/strange-maps/291-federal-lands-in-the-us Thoughts? Sincerely, Larry On 4/12/2014 11:04 PM, Dieselhead wrote: Since we are re-trying this case in the High Court of Public Opinion... Please show cause for BLM to cancel the long standing lease with Mr. Bundy. Further, show cause for the use of armed violence against his children and cruel treatment of the animals grazing on the land, which is Open Range, Cows can't read and don't care about land ownership [there is ample historical evidence of this]. They simply follow food. While your claim that the land is public land has standing, if you have ever eaten western ranch beef, which is very likely, said beef was raised eating grass from BLM public land which kept the cost per pound of production of that beef low enough for you to afford to eat beef. Thus, by tacit approval by eating beef, you contribute to the root premise that use of public lands to graze beef is valid and highest use of said lands, and not theft. That principle is further supported by published BLM policy and the continuation of thousands of leases. Question must be raised to why this Mr. Bundy was selected to have his long standing lease canceled. Was good cause shown by BLM? If the lease was valid, was the cancellation valid? Consider this premise. You have a cow. You neighbor has grass on his land and no fence. Your cow goes to eat said grass. You send your sons to go recover the cow. The neighbor [federal agents in this instance] shoot your son with a taser and tie him up. The neighbor then hires armed men to keep you or your family from recovering the cow. Your neighbor then drives the cow, with her newborn calf, in high heat, without water, with a helicopter, until said cow dies from exhaustion. Make that not one cow, but many cows, which you rely upon for your income, your families income and well being. Getting comfortable yet? Make you love your government yet? Is this neighbor acting in good faith? If it were your children being shot and abused and bound and your business assets being driven to death by exhaustion, what would be your response? Would you object? If so, how? I wager freely the true dollar cost of 20 years lease of this piece of BLM land is many times less than one trip to Spain or Africa by the first lady and her entourage. Or any of the other many vacations and outings... by comparative.. is this use of public property and funds also theft? Where is the standard of judgement drawn? Respectfully, Grant.. Question must be raised to why this Mr. Bundy was selected to have his long standing lease canceled. Was good cause shown by BLM? If the lease was valid, was the cancellation valid? The answer is: Dirty harry wants the land for his chicom general buddies. Dirty harry needs to be recalled/replaced. At least don't vote for jackass senators so dirty harry won't be in a senate leadership position. The other answers are NO and NO ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption
Government land and public owned are the same thing. Held it trust by the Federal Government for public use. That does NOT mean you can do whatever you want with it because you are part of the public, a point that many people choose to confuse. The Interior Department sets rules for use, including no access if appropriate. In this case Mr. Bundy is refusing to obey the BLM restrictions on land use, and has refused to pay lease payments, which are REQUIRED BY LAW in order to run cattle on the land. This has been true since before he was there, it was never free range in that you could do anything you wanted. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Go for it! On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 10:07 AM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: Question, is Public Land and Government Owned Land the same thing? Google says the % of western land owned by the govt is 30% which, IMO, should wave red flags in front of very citizen. All of the land in this great country should belong to the citizens. Check out this map: http://bigthink.com/strange- maps/291-federal-lands-in-the-us Thoughts? Sincerely, Larry On 4/12/2014 11:04 PM, Dieselhead wrote: Since we are re-trying this case in the High Court of Public Opinion... Please show cause for BLM to cancel the long standing lease with Mr. Bundy. Further, show cause for the use of armed violence against his children and cruel treatment of the animals grazing on the land, which is Open Range, Cows can't read and don't care about land ownership [there is ample historical evidence of this]. They simply follow food. While your claim that the land is public land has standing, if you have ever eaten western ranch beef, which is very likely, said beef was raised eating grass from BLM public land which kept the cost per pound of production of that beef low enough for you to afford to eat beef. Thus, by tacit approval by eating beef, you contribute to the root premise that use of public lands to graze beef is valid and highest use of said lands, and not theft. That principle is further supported by published BLM policy and the continuation of thousands of leases. Question must be raised to why this Mr. Bundy was selected to have his long standing lease canceled. Was good cause shown by BLM? If the lease was valid, was the cancellation valid? Consider this premise. You have a cow. You neighbor has grass on his land and no fence. Your cow goes to eat said grass. You send your sons to go recover the cow. The neighbor [federal agents in this instance] shoot your son with a taser and tie him up. The neighbor then hires armed men to keep you or your family from recovering the cow. Your neighbor then drives the cow, with her newborn calf, in high heat, without water, with a helicopter, until said cow dies from exhaustion. Make that not one cow, but many cows, which you rely upon for your income, your families income and well being. Getting comfortable yet? Make you love your government yet? Is this neighbor acting in good faith? If it were your children being shot and abused and bound and your business assets being driven to death by exhaustion, what would be your response? Would you object? If so, how? I wager freely the true dollar cost of 20 years lease of this piece of BLM land is many times less than one trip to Spain or Africa by the first lady and her entourage. Or any of the other many vacations and outings... by comparative.. is this use of public property and funds also theft? Where is the standard of judgement drawn? Respectfully, Grant.. Question must be raised to why this Mr. Bundy was selected to have his long standing lease canceled. Was good cause shown by BLM? If the lease was valid, was the cancellation valid? The answer is: Dirty harry wants the land for his chicom general buddies. Dirty harry needs to be recalled/replaced. At least don't vote for jackass senators so dirty harry won't be in a senate leadership position. The other answers are NO and NO ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption
In this case Mr. Bundy is refusing to obey the BLM restrictions on land use... Think of it as the fifth generation of Cartwrights. Ben as first generation, Adam, Hoss and Joe as second generation. Current occupants fifth and sixth generations. Now, Ben was grazing the land before Nevada was a state; long before there was a BLM. The family rights precede BLM. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption Wuz: POLITICS
There's our first victim. This is a zero tolerance offense. I hate seem like a jerk, but this has got to stop. Period. Dan Sent from my iPad On Apr 13, 2014, at 1:40 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: The gummit corruption is not a political topic. It is a matter of the constitution, and of individuals and organizations who believe they are above the law. Read your history. History is replete with examples of this. I can think of 2 or 3 major examples of this within the past 100 years, and many, many more lesser examples. Our freedom only exists because of those willing to fight and die for it. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption Wuz: POLITICS
Thank you Dan. On Apr 13, 2014 1:50 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: There's our first victim. This is a zero tolerance offense. I hate seem like a jerk, but this has got to stop. Period. Dan Sent from my iPad On Apr 13, 2014, at 1:40 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: The gummit corruption is not a political topic. It is a matter of the constitution, and of individuals and organizations who believe they are above the law. Read your history. History is replete with examples of this. I can think of 2 or 3 major examples of this within the past 100 years, and many, many more lesser examples. Our freedom only exists because of those willing to fight and die for it. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption Wuz: POLITICS
new sheriff . new day. happy times for dwight :) On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 2:12 PM, Dwight Giles dwight.gi...@gmail.comwrote: Thank you Dan. On Apr 13, 2014 1:50 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: There's our first victim. This is a zero tolerance offense. I hate seem like a jerk, but this has got to stop. Period. Dan Sent from my iPad On Apr 13, 2014, at 1:40 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: The gummit corruption is not a political topic. It is a matter of the constitution, and of individuals and organizations who believe they are above the law. Read your history. History is replete with examples of this. I can think of 2 or 3 major examples of this within the past 100 years, and many, many more lesser examples. Our freedom only exists because of those willing to fight and die for it. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption
It's not BLM - it's you and me - these are public lands. On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 1:05 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: In this case Mr. Bundy is refusing to obey the BLM restrictions on land use... Think of it as the fifth generation of Cartwrights. Ben as first generation, Adam, Hoss and Joe as second generation. Current occupants fifth and sixth generations. Now, Ben was grazing the land before Nevada was a state; long before there was a BLM. The family rights precede BLM. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption Wuz: POLITICS
Dieselhead wrote: Our freedom only exists because of those willing to fight and die for it. That sounds like a nice idea to discuss at banned? Otherwise, hopefully you can explain what might seem inane and patriotic for me, please. Are we speaking about support of military industrial complex? or something less invasive and personally satisfying in the local context? My inclination is to pull back from as much interaction as possible in all things government related. I would guess from the sound and tenor of what you might be saying is that my inclination is not productive. My inclination is based more on ask not what your country can do for you/ Send me to banned? Dan? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption Wuz: POLITICS
Dan wrote: There's our first victim. Me too? ... tthat's what I get for not reading further in the thread.. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption Wuz: POLITICS
Seems to be a number of free spirits on this list (you and I included, Gary). Looks like the new sheriff might be busy for a while. (g) Gerry...who wonders if this list has ever been moderated before? On 4/13/2014 2:17 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: new sheriff . new day. happy times for dwight :) On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 2:12 PM, Dwight Giles dwight.gi...@gmail.comwrote: Thank you Dan. On Apr 13, 2014 1:50 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:There's our first victim. This is a zero tolerance offense. I hate seem like a jerk, but this has got to stop. Period. Dan On Apr 13, 2014, at 1:40 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: The gummit corruption is not a political topic. It is a matter of the constitution, and of individuals and organizations who believe they are above the law. Read your history. History is replete with examples of this. I can think of 2 or 3 major examples of this within the past 100 years, and many, many more lesser examples. Our freedom only exists because of those willing to fight and die for it. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption Wuz: POLITICS
Gerry wonders: ...who wonders if this list has ever been moderated before? Kathy Kennel did moderation, perhaps? Some of the problem with OT stuff is that there are much fewer old cars that people DIY so this forum might die if not for a modicum of OT stuff. The OT stuff is like Grant pictured - pot belly stove, differing ideas, modicum of mess, but we begin as friends and we continue as friends and we are loud as friends. I suspect that it might be a while before more MB topics pick up, if ever. Most social media is on fookbace or tweetie and by millenials moreso that the boomers. Boomers and email and forums are ending an era, I suspect. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption Wuz: POLITICS
On 4/13/2014 6:31 PM, Mountain Man wrote: Gerry wonders: ...who wonders if this list has ever been moderated before? Kathy Kennel did moderation, perhaps? Some of the problem with OT stuff is that there are much fewer old cars that people DIY so this forum might die if not for a modicum of OT stuff. The OT stuff is like Grant pictured - pot belly stove, differing ideas, modicum of mess, but we begin as friends and we continue as friends and we are loud as friends. I suspect that it might be a while before more MB topics pick up, if ever. Most social media is on fookbace or tweetie and by millenials moreso that the boomers. Boomers and email and forums are ending an era, I suspect. mao Gerry wrote: Good analysis. As far as moderation goes, I think Dan is coming on too strong. He should consider Kalebs method which was to get involved only when things got too wild, and then find a policy somewhere in between his current militant moderation and Kalebs. It's nearly always better to lead people than to push people, isn't it? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption Wuz: POLITICS
i contend that no one ever need to concerned about me as long as the mob is kept under control, that i fire only when fired upon. the sheriff can expect nothing other than my full support in forging this outlaw town into a place where decent people can settle and raise their families in peace and prosperity. shane penoff, marshall, kleb city. has the making of a 60s TV series for sure! i think mike connors would make a good penoff. alternatively, chuck connors On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 6:19 PM, arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Seems to be a number of free spirits on this list (you and I included, Gary). Looks like the new sheriff might be busy for a while. (g) Gerry...who wonders if this list has ever been moderated before? On 4/13/2014 2:17 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: new sheriff . new day. happy times for dwight :) On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 2:12 PM, Dwight Giles dwight.gi...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you Dan. On Apr 13, 2014 1:50 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:There's our first victim. This is a zero tolerance offense. I hate seem like a jerk, but this has got to stop. Period. Dan On Apr 13, 2014, at 1:40 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: The gummit corruption is not a political topic. It is a matter of the constitution, and of individuals and organizations who believe they are above the law. Read your history. History is replete with examples of this. I can think of 2 or 3 major examples of this within the past 100 years, and many, many more lesser examples. Our freedom only exists because of those willing to fight and die for it. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption Wuz: POLITICS
Uhhh, no Chuck Connors, please. I apologize if I came on too strong, as it was not my intent. I was more concerned with those who might attempt to push the envelope, hence my desire to draw a virtual line in the sand. There are those who would continue to beat the proverbial dead horse, if allowed, and there's simply nothing productive about that. If things are clearly stated there can be no basis for claims of I didn't understand or I was just making one last comment. As we used to warn our children when they would attempt to argue semantics as all children do, Do you want to be most right? We need to have a point where we can move forward without concern for things to get dicey as they have previously, that's all. Dan On Apr 13, 2014, at 7:17 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: i contend that no one ever need to concerned about me as long as the mob is kept under control, that i fire only when fired upon. the sheriff can expect nothing other than my full support in forging this outlaw town into a place where decent people can settle and raise their families in peace and prosperity. shane penoff, marshall, kleb city. has the making of a 60s TV series for sure! i think mike connors would make a good penoff. alternatively, chuck connors On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 6:19 PM, arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Seems to be a number of free spirits on this list (you and I included, Gary). Looks like the new sheriff might be busy for a while. (g) Gerry...who wonders if this list has ever been moderated before? On 4/13/2014 2:17 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: new sheriff . new day. happy times for dwight :) On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 2:12 PM, Dwight Giles dwight.gi...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you Dan. On Apr 13, 2014 1:50 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:There's our first victim. This is a zero tolerance offense. I hate seem like a jerk, but this has got to stop. Period. Dan On Apr 13, 2014, at 1:40 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: The gummit corruption is not a political topic. It is a matter of the constitution, and of individuals and organizations who believe they are above the law. Read your history. History is replete with examples of this. I can think of 2 or 3 major examples of this within the past 100 years, and many, many more lesser examples. Our freedom only exists because of those willing to fight and die for it. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list
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well, then, mike connors of the project is scratched he drove a maserati mexico, if i recall correctly. well, i mean, mannix did On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 7:43 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Uhhh, no Chuck Connors, please. I apologize if I came on too strong, as it was not my intent. I was more concerned with those who might attempt to push the envelope, hence my desire to draw a virtual line in the sand. There are those who would continue to beat the proverbial dead horse, if allowed, and there's simply nothing productive about that. If things are clearly stated there can be no basis for claims of I didn't understand or I was just making one last comment. As we used to warn our children when they would attempt to argue semantics as all children do, Do you want to be most right? We need to have a point where we can move forward without concern for things to get dicey as they have previously, that's all. Dan On Apr 13, 2014, at 7:17 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: i contend that no one ever need to concerned about me as long as the mob is kept under control, that i fire only when fired upon. the sheriff can expect nothing other than my full support in forging this outlaw town into a place where decent people can settle and raise their families in peace and prosperity. shane penoff, marshall, kleb city. has the making of a 60s TV series for sure! i think mike connors would make a good penoff. alternatively, chuck connors On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 6:19 PM, arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Seems to be a number of free spirits on this list (you and I included, Gary). Looks like the new sheriff might be busy for a while. (g) Gerry...who wonders if this list has ever been moderated before? On 4/13/2014 2:17 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: new sheriff . new day. happy times for dwight :) On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 2:12 PM, Dwight Giles dwight.gi...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you Dan. On Apr 13, 2014 1:50 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:There's our first victim. This is a zero tolerance offense. I hate seem like a jerk, but this has got to stop. Period. Dan On Apr 13, 2014, at 1:40 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: The gummit corruption is not a political topic. It is a matter of the constitution, and of individuals and organizations who believe they are above the law. Read your history. History is replete with examples of this. I can think of 2 or 3 major examples of this within the past 100 years, and many, many more lesser examples. Our freedom only exists because of those willing to fight and die for it. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are
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mike connors would make a good penoff. alternatively, chuck connors Jimmy? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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yes, jimmy. marshall at night and tennis pro at the kleb city country club by day On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 8:44 PM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: mike connors would make a good penoff. alternatively, chuck connors Jimmy? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Mike Connors, OK. I can do the Mannix thing. Chuck Connors had some, uh, unseemly things in his personal life I wouldn't want to be associated with, thank you very much. Dan please don't call me The Rifleman Sent from my iPad On Apr 13, 2014, at 7:46 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: well, then, mike connors of the project is scratched he drove a maserati mexico, if i recall correctly. well, i mean, mannix did On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 7:43 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Uhhh, no Chuck Connors, please. I apologize if I came on too strong, as it was not my intent. I was more concerned with those who might attempt to push the envelope, hence my desire to draw a virtual line in the sand. There are those who would continue to beat the proverbial dead horse, if allowed, and there's simply nothing productive about that. If things are clearly stated there can be no basis for claims of I didn't understand or I was just making one last comment. As we used to warn our children when they would attempt to argue semantics as all children do, Do you want to be most right? We need to have a point where we can move forward without concern for things to get dicey as they have previously, that's all. Dan On Apr 13, 2014, at 7:17 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: i contend that no one ever need to concerned about me as long as the mob is kept under control, that i fire only when fired upon. the sheriff can expect nothing other than my full support in forging this outlaw town into a place where decent people can settle and raise their families in peace and prosperity. shane penoff, marshall, kleb city. has the making of a 60s TV series for sure! i think mike connors would make a good penoff. alternatively, chuck connors On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 6:19 PM, arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Seems to be a number of free spirits on this list (you and I included, Gary). Looks like the new sheriff might be busy for a while. (g) Gerry...who wonders if this list has ever been moderated before? On 4/13/2014 2:17 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: new sheriff . new day. happy times for dwight :) On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 2:12 PM, Dwight Giles dwight.gi...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you Dan. On Apr 13, 2014 1:50 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:There's our first victim. This is a zero tolerance offense. I hate seem like a jerk, but this has got to stop. Period. Dan On Apr 13, 2014, at 1:40 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: The gummit corruption is not a political topic. It is a matter of the constitution, and of individuals and organizations who believe they are above the law. Read your history. History is replete with examples of this. I can think of 2 or 3 major examples of this within the past 100 years, and many, many more lesser examples. Our freedom only exists because of those willing to fight and die for it. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com*
Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption Wuz: POLITICS
From:Dan PenoffSent:Sunday, April 13, 2014 6:43 PMTo:Mercedes Discussion ListReply To:Mercedes Discussion ListSubject:Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption Wuz: POLITICS. There are those who would continue to beat the proverbial dead horse,More specific to the topic at hand, "dead cows" and "trim your posts". :p Rick Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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He owes back rent. On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 11:39 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: Whooo there partner. ease up a moment... This family has been ranching that same area since before the Civil War. Almost all ranches in the west are part patent land [private title land] and part BLM lease land. To those of the Eastern persuasion this may sound strange.. but to those of us who live in the great west, it is quite normal. Open grazing rights are a long standing tradition for BLM land use. The BLM encourages such arrangements and consumes entire forests to make enough paper to write all the paperwork associated with doing business with a large government agency such as BLM. Much of the land managed by BLM is to poor to ever support development and the average use of grazing cows is measured in cows per square mile [limited by BLM regulations, btw.] and in aggregate something on the order of 2 cows per square mile is average [unlike your green pastures in the East with lots of rain and grass]. Passions are running very high on this particular issue largely because the government agency has used armed thugs who have harmed both people and innocent cows by their direct actions. I urge you to have a close and complete look at the actual status of this families BLM lease, compared with other BLM leases for cattle grazing, before coming out with your six guns blazing. I believe a closer inspection of the events, both historical and current, will give a much different view than what is being reported. It appears to me, from the information I have, the Bundy family has a BLM lease and now BLM has decided [or some other government agency as yet not fully identified] to attempt to break said lease to save a rare tortise which may not need saving.. or if it does may not truly be impacted by 2 cows per square mile grazing [supposed average in the West on BLM land] If there were no lease, why would the government need to break the lease by imposing the rare endangered critter ruse? It does give cause to question, does it not? On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 7:11 PM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net wrote: That Federal Land has been Federal Land since long before Nevada became a state. Mr. Bundy is stealing US property for his own profit. Unless he has a land grant from the King of Spain prior to the Mexican War that is grandfathered in by the Treaty of Guadalupe y Hidalgo, he's not got a case. He has been ordered off the land TWICE by Federal Courts. This is nothing more than a common thief making things up so he can keep stealing. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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BLM voided the lease and Mr. Bundy has refused to pay his prior lease payments for quite a few years OR remove his cattle. He is now claiming the STATE can allow him to use his land because the Federal Goverment has no control over it. As I said, unless he has a land grant from the King of Spain via the Treaty of Guadalupe y Hildalgo, he's trespassing on BLM land without permission. In essence he is squatting on someone else's property and claiming it as his. He's lost his court battles twice, at least, and is now recruiting fringe nuts to start a war with Federal agents doing their job. BLM has the right to grant and revoke land use leases as they see fit and regulate the use of the land. The land is the propery of the US Goverment and his challange to the BLM regulations has failed in court twice -- he is simply taking the law into his own hands and raising a private army to steal. Hardly a dispute over grazing rights on someone else's land, which no one has anyway. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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And Federal courts are always right? No. Get all of the facts before calling the man a thief. He is being bullied by thieves! Mike On Apr 11, 2014 10:11 PM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net wrote: That Federal Land has been Federal Land since long before Nevada became a state. Mr. Bundy is stealing US property for his own profit. Unless he has a land grant from the King of Spain prior to the Mexican War that is grandfathered in by the Treaty of Guadalupe y Hidalgo, he's not got a case. He has been ordered off the land TWICE by Federal Courts. This is nothing more than a common thief making things up so he can keep stealing. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption
Whooo there partner. ease up a moment... This family has been ranching that same area since before the Civil War. Almost all ranches in the west are part patent land [private title land] and part BLM lease land. To those of the Eastern persuasion this may sound strange.. but to those of us who live in the great west, it is quite normal. Open grazing rights are a long standing tradition for BLM land use. The BLM encourages such arrangements and consumes entire forests to make enough paper to write all the paperwork associated with doing business with a large government agency such as BLM. Much of the land managed by BLM is to poor to ever support development and the average use of grazing cows is measured in cows per square mile [limited by BLM regulations, btw.] and in aggregate something on the order of 2 cows per square mile is average [unlike your green pastures in the East with lots of rain and grass]. Passions are running very high on this particular issue largely because the government agency has used armed thugs who have harmed both people and innocent cows by their direct actions. I urge you to have a close and complete look at the actual status of this families BLM lease, compared with other BLM leases for cattle grazing, before coming out with your six guns blazing. I believe a closer inspection of the events, both historical and current, will give a much different view than what is being reported. It appears to me, from the information I have, the Bundy family has a BLM lease and now BLM has decided [or some other government agency as yet not fully identified] to attempt to break said lease to save a rare tortise which may not need saving.. or if it does may not truly be impacted by 2 cows per square mile grazing [supposed average in the West on BLM land] If there were no lease, why would the government need to break the lease by imposing the rare endangered critter ruse? It does give cause to question, does it not? If anyone had bothered to follow the links, dirty harry wants the land for a deal with his communist chinese general buddies. No legal document is supposed to stand up to the chinee mafia boss Harry. 140 years on the land and legal agreements mean nothing to dirty harry. Dirty harry Jr. is the cappo for the chinee general(s). So the gummit is getting ready to shoot all opposition for harry and the chinee. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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He owes back rent. that is conjured up bull it is not BLM land, it is state land. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Since we are re-trying this case in the High Court of Public Opinion... Please show cause for BLM to cancel the long standing lease with Mr. Bundy. Further, show cause for the use of armed violence against his children and cruel treatment of the animals grazing on the land, which is Open Range, Cows can't read and don't care about land ownership [there is ample historical evidence of this]. They simply follow food. While your claim that the land is public land has standing, if you have ever eaten western ranch beef, which is very likely, said beef was raised eating grass from BLM public land which kept the cost per pound of production of that beef low enough for you to afford to eat beef. Thus, by tacit approval by eating beef, you contribute to the root premise that use of public lands to graze beef is valid and highest use of said lands, and not theft. That principle is further supported by published BLM policy and the continuation of thousands of leases. Question must be raised to why this Mr. Bundy was selected to have his long standing lease canceled. Was good cause shown by BLM? If the lease was valid, was the cancellation valid? Consider this premise. You have a cow. You neighbor has grass on his land and no fence. Your cow goes to eat said grass. You send your sons to go recover the cow. The neighbor [federal agents in this instance] shoot your son with a taser and tie him up. The neighbor then hires armed men to keep you or your family from recovering the cow. Your neighbor then drives the cow, with her newborn calf, in high heat, without water, with a helicopter, until said cow dies from exhaustion. Make that not one cow, but many cows, which you rely upon for your income, your families income and well being. Getting comfortable yet? Make you love your government yet? Is this neighbor acting in good faith? If it were your children being shot and abused and bound and your business assets being driven to death by exhaustion, what would be your response? Would you object? If so, how? I wager freely the true dollar cost of 20 years lease of this piece of BLM land is many times less than one trip to Spain or Africa by the first lady and her entourage. Or any of the other many vacations and outings... by comparative.. is this use of public property and funds also theft? Where is the standard of judgement drawn? Respectfully, Grant.. On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 6:08 AM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.netwrote: BLM voided the lease and Mr. Bundy has refused to pay his prior lease payments for quite a few years OR remove his cattle. He is now claiming the STATE can allow him to use his land because the Federal Goverment has no control over it. As I said, unless he has a land grant from the King of Spain via the Treaty of Guadalupe y Hildalgo, he's trespassing on BLM land without permission. In essence he is squatting on someone else's property and claiming it as his. He's lost his court battles twice, at least, and is now recruiting fringe nuts to start a war with Federal agents doing their job. BLM has the right to grant and revoke land use leases as they see fit and regulate the use of the land. The land is the propery of the US Goverment and his challange to the BLM regulations has failed in court twice -- he is simply taking the law into his own hands and raising a private army to steal. Hardly a dispute over grazing rights on someone else's land, which no one has anyway. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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No one is disputing his use of his OWN land, which is totally and completely separate from the BLM lands his cattle are being removed from. The land is question is NOT state land, it was Federal land long before Nevada became a state in what, 1917? and the Federal Goverment did NOT release it to the the state, any more than is the case for any other Federal Reservations in the west (a very large part of the territory west of the Mississippi, by the way). The fact that he has had permission to range cattle on it in the past has no bearing in any way, shape, or form on the current situation, he has had a lease from the Federal government IN THE PAST that he now refuses to pay, thus voiding the contract. Use of Federal land for grazing does NOT confer or infer ownership of said land. End of discussion. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Does the fact that the Feds (various agencies) own 85% of the land in Nevada bother anyone? Scott -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Peter Frederick Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2014 1:05 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption No one is disputing his use of his OWN land, which is totally and completely separate from the BLM lands his cattle are being removed from. The land is question is NOT state land, it was Federal land long before Nevada became a state in what, 1917? and the Federal Goverment did NOT release it to the the state, any more than is the case for any other Federal Reservations in the west (a very large part of the territory west of the Mississippi, by the way). The fact that he has had permission to range cattle on it in the past has no bearing in any way, shape, or form on the current situation, he has had a lease from the Federal government IN THE PAST that he now refuses to pay, thus voiding the contract. Use of Federal land for grazing does NOT confer or infer ownership of said land. End of discussion. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Considering that much of it is very arid open range or mountains and used by the military, no. It's not like people are dying to live there or develop it. For that matter there are hundreds of thousands of BLM acres in a number of Western states. Dan On Apr 12, 2014, at 1:17 PM, Scott Ritchey wrote: Does the fact that the Feds (various agencies) own 85% of the land in Nevada bother anyone? Scott -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Peter Frederick Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2014 1:05 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption No one is disputing his use of his OWN land, which is totally and completely separate from the BLM lands his cattle are being removed from. The land is question is NOT state land, it was Federal land long before Nevada became a state in what, 1917? and the Federal Goverment did NOT release it to the the state, any more than is the case for any other Federal Reservations in the west (a very large part of the territory west of the Mississippi, by the way). The fact that he has had permission to range cattle on it in the past has no bearing in any way, shape, or form on the current situation, he has had a lease from the Federal government IN THE PAST that he now refuses to pay, thus voiding the contract. Use of Federal land for grazing does NOT confer or infer ownership of said land. End of discussion. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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There are so many versions of the Bundy story floating around, it's hard to know what elements are true. I've seen mention of tortoises, and claims that said tortoises are so highly endangered that BLM is euthanizing the surplus population. I've seen claims that the BLM ordered Bundy to reduce his herd size to 150, spread across 158,000 acres. The government's story is easy to find, just read any MSM news story on the topic. The family's claims are summed up below. Post from Shiree Bundy: I have had people ask me to explain my dad’s stance on this BLM fight. Here it is in as simple of terms as I can explain it. There is so much to it, but here it [i]s in a nut shell. My great grandpa bought the rights to the Bunkerville allotment back in 1887 around there. Then he sold them to my grandpa who then turned them over to my dad in 1972. These men bought and paid for their rights to the range and also built waters, fences and roads to assure the survival of their cattle, all with their own money, not with tax dollars. These rights to the land use is called preemptive rights. Some where down the line, to keep the cows from over grazing, came the bureau of land management. They were supposed to assist the ranchers in the management of their ranges while the ranchers paid a yearly allotment which was to be use to pay the BLM wages and to help with repairs and improvements of the ranches. My dad did pay his grazing fees for years to the BLM until they were no longer using his fees to help him and to improve. Instead they began using these money’s against the ranchers. They bought all the rest of the ranchers in the area out with they’re own grazing fees. When they offered to buy my dad out for a penance he said no thanks and then fired them because they weren’t doing their job. He quit paying the BLM but, tried giving his grazing fees to the county, which they turned down. So my dad just went on running his ranch and making his own improvements with his own equipment and his own money, not taxes. In essence the BLM was managing my dad out of business. Well when buying him out didn’t work, they used the endangered species card. You’ve already heard about the desert tortoise. Well that didn’t work either, so then began the threats and the court orders, which my dad has proven to be unlawful for all these years. Now their desperate. It’s come down to buying the brand inspector off and threatening the County Sheriff. Everything their doing at this point is illegal and totally against the constitution of the United States of America. Now you may be saying,” how sad, but what does this have to do with me?” Well, I’ll tell you. They will get rid of Cliven Bundy, the last man standing on the Bunkerville allotment and then they will close all the roads so no one can ever go on it again. Next, it’s Utah’s turn. Mark my words, Utah is next. Then there’s the issue of the cattle that are at this moment being stolen. See even if dad hasn’t paid them, those cattle do belong to him. Regardless where they are they are my fathers property. His herd has been part of that range for over a hundred years, long before the BLM even existed. Now the Feds think they can just come in and remove them and sell them without a legal brand inspection or without my dad’s signature on it. They think they can take them over two boarders, which is illegal, ask any trucker. Then they plan to take them to the Richfeild Auction and sell them. All with our tax money. They have paid off the contract cowboys and the auction owner as well as the Nevada brand inspector with our tax dollars. See how slick they are? Well, this is it in a nut shell. Thanks” Shiree Bundy Cox ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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snip End of discussion. Apparently, it is, for you. Your decision is yours. I respect that. For myself, I want more facts and details. As a Citizen of the West, and a ranch owner with BLM lease land attached to my ranch, I find this current action most troubling. More specifically, I want to know with great security, the government agencies involved have acted with all legal restraint, within the charter of their authority. The sign on the front gate of the ranch says Entry by Invitation Only and it's 14 miles to the ranch house. I would like any visit to be civil and proper, not some over-reaching agency action. On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 10:17 AM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: Does the fact that the Feds (various agencies) own 85% of the land in Nevada bother anyone? Scott -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Peter Frederick Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2014 1:05 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption No one is disputing his use of his OWN land, which is totally and completely separate from the BLM lands his cattle are being removed from. The land is question is NOT state land, it was Federal land long before Nevada became a state in what, 1917? and the Federal Goverment did NOT release it to the the state, any more than is the case for any other Federal Reservations in the west (a very large part of the territory west of the Mississippi, by the way). The fact that he has had permission to range cattle on it in the past has no bearing in any way, shape, or form on the current situation, he has had a lease from the Federal government IN THE PAST that he now refuses to pay, thus voiding the contract. Use of Federal land for grazing does NOT confer or infer ownership of said land. End of discussion. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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I wish it were the end of the discssion for this mercedes list. On Apr 12, 2014 2:10 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: snip End of discussion. Apparently, it is, for you. Your decision is yours. I respect that. For myself, I want more facts and details. As a Citizen of the West, and a ranch owner with BLM lease land attached to my ranch, I find this current action most troubling. More specifically, I want to know with great security, the government agencies involved have acted with all legal restraint, within the charter of their authority. The sign on the front gate of the ranch says Entry by Invitation Only and it's 14 miles to the ranch house. I would like any visit to be civil and proper, not some over-reaching agency action. On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 10:17 AM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: Does the fact that the Feds (various agencies) own 85% of the land in Nevada bother anyone? Scott -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Peter Frederick Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2014 1:05 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption No one is disputing his use of his OWN land, which is totally and completely separate from the BLM lands his cattle are being removed from. The land is question is NOT state land, it was Federal land long before Nevada became a state in what, 1917? and the Federal Goverment did NOT release it to the the state, any more than is the case for any other Federal Reservations in the west (a very large part of the territory west of the Mississippi, by the way). The fact that he has had permission to range cattle on it in the past has no bearing in any way, shape, or form on the current situation, he has had a lease from the Federal government IN THE PAST that he now refuses to pay, thus voiding the contract. Use of Federal land for grazing does NOT confer or infer ownership of said land. End of discussion. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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snip End of discussion. Well.. I haven't heard that on the Lame Stream Media.. have I? Thanks for posting that. btw. Certainly I would expect the daughter to know, in full, her families history of use of the land, prior contracts for the land dating back to 1887 would have to have been with the federal government and that would give them legal standing, it would seem. Seems pretty clear this is a complicated bit of business with the little guy against the big government, and it appears the government does not come to court with clear clean hands. Albeit, that needs clarification, not bullets and force. If we are a country of law, then government must also respect those laws. My many thanks to all other members on this board for their civil and careful discussion. I believe as a citizen, and a ranch owner, I hold two bits of interest in the outcome. Both are focused on governments use of force, either by physical force or by ms-application of agency charters through the legal system. In my personal view, it is a case of Common man fights City Hall Apparently, I am not alone in this view. On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 10:43 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: There are so many versions of the Bundy story floating around, it's hard to know what elements are true. I've seen mention of tortoises, and claims that said tortoises are so highly endangered that BLM is euthanizing the surplus population. I've seen claims that the BLM ordered Bundy to reduce his herd size to 150, spread across 158,000 acres. The government's story is easy to find, just read any MSM news story on the topic. The family's claims are summed up below. Post from Shiree Bundy: I have had people ask me to explain my dad's stance on this BLM fight. Here it is in as simple of terms as I can explain it. There is so much to it, but here it [i]s in a nut shell. My great grandpa bought the rights to the Bunkerville allotment back in 1887 around there. Then he sold them to my grandpa who then turned them over to my dad in 1972. These men bought and paid for their rights to the range and also built waters, fences and roads to assure the survival of their cattle, all with their own money, not with tax dollars. These rights to the land use is called preemptive rights. Some where down the line, to keep the cows from over grazing, came the bureau of land management. They were supposed to assist the ranchers in the management of their ranges while the ranchers paid a yearly allotment which was to be use to pay the BLM wages and to help with repairs and improvements of the ranches. My dad did pay his grazing fees for years to the BLM until they were no longer using his fees to help him and to improve. Instead they began using these money's against the ranchers. They bought all the rest of the ranchers in the area out with they're own grazing fees. When they offered to buy my dad out for a penance he said no thanks and then fired them because they weren't doing their job. He quit paying the BLM but, tried giving his grazing fees to the county, which they turned down. So my dad just went on running his ranch and making his own improvements with his own equipment and his own money, not taxes. In essence the BLM was managing my dad out of business. Well when buying him out didn't work, they used the endangered species card. You've already heard about the desert tortoise. Well that didn't work either, so then began the threats and the court orders, which my dad has proven to be unlawful for all these years. Now their desperate. It's come down to buying the brand inspector off and threatening the County Sheriff. Everything their doing at this point is illegal and totally against the constitution of the United States of America. Now you may be saying, how sad, but what does this have to do with me? Well, I'll tell you. They will get rid of Cliven Bundy, the last man standing on the Bunkerville allotment and then they will close all the roads so no one can ever go on it again. Next, it's Utah's turn. Mark my words, Utah is next. Then there's the issue of the cattle that are at this moment being stolen. See even if dad hasn't paid them, those cattle do belong to him. Regardless where they are they are my fathers property. His herd has been part of that range for over a hundred years, long before the BLM even existed. Now the Feds think they can just come in and remove them and sell them without a legal brand inspection or without my dad's signature on it. They think they can take them over two boarders, which is illegal, ask any trucker. Then they plan to take them to the Richfeild Auction and sell them. All with our tax money. They have paid off the contract cowboys and the auction owner as well as the Nevada brand inspector with our tax dollars. See how slick they are? Well, this is it in a nut shell. Thanks Shiree Bundy Cox ___
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-Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan Penoff Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2014 1:28 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption Considering that much of it is very arid open range or mountains and used by the military, no. True, but DOD and DOE land is a small percentage of the Federal land in NV. http://www.epa.gov/region9/fedfac/fedmap.html It's not like people are dying to live there or develop it. For that matter there are hundreds of thousands of BLM acres in a number of Western states. Half of all the western states (varies from 30% to 85% by state) are Federal land. http://strangemaps.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/map-owns_the_west.jpg Dan On Apr 12, 2014, at 1:17 PM, Scott Ritchey wrote: Does the fact that the Feds (various agencies) own 85% of the land in Nevada bother anyone? Scott ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Since we are re-trying this case in the High Court of Public Opinion... Please show cause for BLM to cancel the long standing lease with Mr. Bundy. Further, show cause for the use of armed violence against his children and cruel treatment of the animals grazing on the land, which is Open Range, Cows can't read and don't care about land ownership [there is ample historical evidence of this]. They simply follow food. While your claim that the land is public land has standing, if you have ever eaten western ranch beef, which is very likely, said beef was raised eating grass from BLM public land which kept the cost per pound of production of that beef low enough for you to afford to eat beef. Thus, by tacit approval by eating beef, you contribute to the root premise that use of public lands to graze beef is valid and highest use of said lands, and not theft. That principle is further supported by published BLM policy and the continuation of thousands of leases. Question must be raised to why this Mr. Bundy was selected to have his long standing lease canceled. Was good cause shown by BLM? If the lease was valid, was the cancellation valid? Consider this premise. You have a cow. You neighbor has grass on his land and no fence. Your cow goes to eat said grass. You send your sons to go recover the cow. The neighbor [federal agents in this instance] shoot your son with a taser and tie him up. The neighbor then hires armed men to keep you or your family from recovering the cow. Your neighbor then drives the cow, with her newborn calf, in high heat, without water, with a helicopter, until said cow dies from exhaustion. Make that not one cow, but many cows, which you rely upon for your income, your families income and well being. Getting comfortable yet? Make you love your government yet? Is this neighbor acting in good faith? If it were your children being shot and abused and bound and your business assets being driven to death by exhaustion, what would be your response? Would you object? If so, how? I wager freely the true dollar cost of 20 years lease of this piece of BLM land is many times less than one trip to Spain or Africa by the first lady and her entourage. Or any of the other many vacations and outings... by comparative.. is this use of public property and funds also theft? Where is the standard of judgement drawn? Respectfully, Grant.. Question must be raised to why this Mr. Bundy was selected to have his long standing lease canceled. Was good cause shown by BLM? If the lease was valid, was the cancellation valid? The answer is: Dirty harry wants the land for his chicom general buddies. Dirty harry needs to be recalled/replaced. At least don't vote for jackass senators so dirty harry won't be in a senate leadership position. The other answers are NO and NO ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Mr. Bundy refused to follow the rules. Mr. Bundy was sued, and lost. Mr. Bundy is refusing to follow court orders. Mr. Bundy is a scofflaw. He is being singled out because everyone else follows the law. He has chosen to make up his own. Mr. Bundy is eventually going to end up in jail serving a sentence for contempt of court, if he doesn't shoot someone and end up serving a sentence for murder first. We live in a nation of law, not a nation of my gun is bigger than yours so you are my property. Mr. Bundy choses to do whatever he wants instead of following the law. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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BUT...what if the accounts that Reid is behind this are true? I haven't seen the usual denials of this accusation. What if BLM is dancing to Reid's tune? That paints a very different picture. I'm waiting to see how this shakes out before arriving at a final opinion. Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Peter Frederick Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2014 8:32 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption Mr. Bundy refused to follow the rules. Mr. Bundy was sued, and lost. Mr. Bundy is refusing to follow court orders. Mr. Bundy is a scofflaw. He is being singled out because everyone else follows the law. He has chosen to make up his own. Mr. Bundy is eventually going to end up in jail serving a sentence for contempt of court, if he doesn't shoot someone and end up serving a sentence for murder first. We live in a nation of law, not a nation of my gun is bigger than yours so you are my property. Mr. Bundy choses to do whatever he wants instead of following the law. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Just watch 40 seconds of Lame Stream Media reporting on the end of the great standoff. One of the items reported was that several state legislatures are already submitting bills to keep exactly this sort of thing from being repeated. As reported here by another poster, some indication is given that this may involve Senator Reid, via some convoluted use of a government agency, to support something which he is a stakeholder in. Just like any other citizen, Reid, is innocent until proven guilty, however, charges are already being made which could result in proof of such guilt. The facts mam, Just the facts On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 9:35 PM, Greg Fiorentino gf...@dslnorthwest.netwrote: BUT...what if the accounts that Reid is behind this are true? I haven't seen the usual denials of this accusation. What if BLM is dancing to Reid's tune? That paints a very different picture. I'm waiting to see how this shakes out before arriving at a final opinion. Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Peter Frederick Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2014 8:32 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption Mr. Bundy refused to follow the rules. Mr. Bundy was sued, and lost. Mr. Bundy is refusing to follow court orders. Mr. Bundy is a scofflaw. He is being singled out because everyone else follows the law. He has chosen to make up his own. Mr. Bundy is eventually going to end up in jail serving a sentence for contempt of court, if he doesn't shoot someone and end up serving a sentence for murder first. We live in a nation of law, not a nation of my gun is bigger than yours so you are my property. Mr. Bundy choses to do whatever he wants instead of following the law. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Punch in Reid behind BLM raid on Bing, or go to: http://www.bing.com/search?q=Reid+behind+blm+raidqs=nform=QBLHpq=reid+behind+blm+raidsc=0-12sp=-1sk=cvid=015aa43f0aef4d3eacdc80b5c56220be On 4/13/2014 12:35 AM, Greg Fiorentino wrote: BUT...what if the accounts that Reid is behind this are true? I haven't seen the usual denials of this accusation. What if BLM is dancing to Reid's tune? That paints a very different picture. I'm waiting to see how this shakes out before arriving at a final opinion. Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Peter Frederick Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2014 8:32 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption Mr. Bundy refused to follow the rules. Mr. Bundy was sued, and lost. Mr. Bundy is refusing to follow court orders. Mr. Bundy is a scofflaw. He is being singled out because everyone else follows the law. He has chosen to make up his own. Mr. Bundy is eventually going to end up in jail serving a sentence for contempt of court, if he doesn't shoot someone and end up serving a sentence for murder first. We live in a nation of law, not a nation of my gun is bigger than yours so you are my property. Mr. Bundy choses to do whatever he wants instead of following the law. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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That Federal Land has been Federal Land since long before Nevada became a state. Mr. Bundy is stealing US property for his own profit. Unless he has a land grant from the King of Spain prior to the Mexican War that is grandfathered in by the Treaty of Guadalupe y Hidalgo, he's not got a case. He has been ordered off the land TWICE by Federal Courts. This is nothing more than a common thief making things up so he can keep stealing. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Whooo there partner. ease up a moment... This family has been ranching that same area since before the Civil War. Almost all ranches in the west are part patent land [private title land] and part BLM lease land. To those of the Eastern persuasion this may sound strange.. but to those of us who live in the great west, it is quite normal. Open grazing rights are a long standing tradition for BLM land use. The BLM encourages such arrangements and consumes entire forests to make enough paper to write all the paperwork associated with doing business with a large government agency such as BLM. Much of the land managed by BLM is to poor to ever support development and the average use of grazing cows is measured in cows per square mile [limited by BLM regulations, btw.] and in aggregate something on the order of 2 cows per square mile is average [unlike your green pastures in the East with lots of rain and grass]. Passions are running very high on this particular issue largely because the government agency has used armed thugs who have harmed both people and innocent cows by their direct actions. I urge you to have a close and complete look at the actual status of this families BLM lease, compared with other BLM leases for cattle grazing, before coming out with your six guns blazing. I believe a closer inspection of the events, both historical and current, will give a much different view than what is being reported. It appears to me, from the information I have, the Bundy family has a BLM lease and now BLM has decided [or some other government agency as yet not fully identified] to attempt to break said lease to save a rare tortise which may not need saving.. or if it does may not truly be impacted by 2 cows per square mile grazing [supposed average in the West on BLM land] If there were no lease, why would the government need to break the lease by imposing the rare endangered critter ruse? It does give cause to question, does it not? On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 7:11 PM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.netwrote: That Federal Land has been Federal Land since long before Nevada became a state. Mr. Bundy is stealing US property for his own profit. Unless he has a land grant from the King of Spain prior to the Mexican War that is grandfathered in by the Treaty of Guadalupe y Hidalgo, he's not got a case. He has been ordered off the land TWICE by Federal Courts. This is nothing more than a common thief making things up so he can keep stealing. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
