Re: [MBZ] OT: Grilling in cold weather

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I've had problems with getting a propane torch on a 1pound bottle to run 
in cold weather.  The household tanks, 500 gal, 1000 gal or whatever 
seem to always work.  Lots more surface area in a horizontal tank.



Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
February 2, 2018 at 6:09 PM
I’ve seen problems with 250 gallon tanks at 0F, usually because they 
were full and there wasn’t enough wetting surface. This is especially 
critical with motor fuel applications as it’s all about volume, not 
pressure.


-D



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Re: [MBZ] OT: Grilling in cold weather

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I’ve seen problems with 250 gallon tanks at 0F, usually because they were full 
and there wasn’t enough wetting surface.  This is especially critical with 
motor fuel applications as it’s all about volume, not pressure.

-D


> On Feb 2, 2018, at 5:46 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
> I've had trouble with 1# bottles producing enough pressure to light my torch 
> at temps approaching 0F.
> My statement about the 20# bottles comes from an Alaskan oil driller I met 
> through Coleman stuff. He keeps a Coleman fuel stove as an auxiliary in his 
> place at the rig because when it's below -20 he doesn't trust propane. I 
> suspect he has to deal with -40 on the regular...
> 
> 
> Curt
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
> 

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Grilling in cold weather

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I've had trouble with 1# bottles producing enough pressure to light my torch at 
temps approaching 0F.My statement about the 20# bottles comes from an Alaskan 
oil driller I met through Coleman stuff. He keeps a Coleman fuel stove as an 
auxiliary in his place at the rig because when it's below -20 he doesn't trust 
propane. I suspect he has to deal with -40 on the regular...

Curt

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 3:18 PM, Dan Penoff via 
Mercedes wrote:   Propane vaporizes at around -40F, so 
you should be good for the grille cylinder until it gets Randy cold.  The 
problem occurs when the tank is full, so the wetting area (the boundary between 
liquid propane and gaseous propane) is smaller, so it can’t boil off fast 
enough to produce enough volume of gas to keep the grille going.

In other words, in really cold weather, you’re better off with a half full tank 
than a full one.  Wet towels soaked in warm water and laid on top of the tank 
can help.

-D



> On Feb 2, 2018, at 1:04 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> A 20# propane tank should be good down to about -20F, after that things get 
> iffy, or so I'm told anyway, we don't get that cold here really.
> Which reminds me of something, how do folks in metric countries refer to 
> their propane tanks? Buy weight or volume or other?
> -Curt
> 
> 
>    On Friday, February 2, 2018, 12:46:03 PM EST, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
> wrote:  
> 
> On 02/02/2018 10:26 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>> I'm dying to grill a steak outside but a cold front came through this
>> morning so that's a no-go.  I hate to broil it in the oven but I may just
>> have to do that.
>> 
> The weather is much warmer where you are than it is here in Winnipeg.
> I would think nothing of grilling a steak here so you should be able to 
> do it there.
> If your BBQ is propane, it will take longer to heat up and may not get 
> as hot. You might want to warm up the propane tank ahead of time.
> if you are a purist, using charcoal, it should make no difference if it 
> is cold out.
> 
> RB
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Grilling in cold weather

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I may just grind it up for tartare.

On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 3:18 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Propane vaporizes at around -40F, so you should be good for the grille
> cylinder until it gets Randy cold.  The problem occurs when the tank is
> full, so the wetting area (the boundary between liquid propane and gaseous
> propane) is smaller, so it can’t boil off fast enough to produce enough
> volume of gas to keep the grille going.
>
> In other words, in really cold weather, you’re better off with a half full
> tank than a full one.  Wet towels soaked in warm water and laid on top of
> the tank can help.
>
> -D
>
>
>
> > On Feb 2, 2018, at 1:04 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > A 20# propane tank should be good down to about -20F, after that things
> get iffy, or so I'm told anyway, we don't get that cold here really.
> > Which reminds me of something, how do folks in metric countries refer to
> their propane tanks? Buy weight or volume or other?
> > -Curt
> >
> >
> >On Friday, February 2, 2018, 12:46:03 PM EST, Randy Bennell via
> Mercedes  wrote:
> >
> > On 02/02/2018 10:26 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> >> I'm dying to grill a steak outside but a cold front came through this
> >> morning so that's a no-go.  I hate to broil it in the oven but I may
> just
> >> have to do that.
> >>
> > The weather is much warmer where you are than it is here in Winnipeg.
> > I would think nothing of grilling a steak here so you should be able to
> > do it there.
> > If your BBQ is propane, it will take longer to heat up and may not get
> > as hot. You might want to warm up the propane tank ahead of time.
> > if you are a purist, using charcoal, it should make no difference if it
> > is cold out.
> >
> > RB
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Grilling in cold weather

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Propane vaporizes at around -40F, so you should be good for the grille cylinder 
until it gets Randy cold.  The problem occurs when the tank is full, so the 
wetting area (the boundary between liquid propane and gaseous propane) is 
smaller, so it can’t boil off fast enough to produce enough volume of gas to 
keep the grille going.

In other words, in really cold weather, you’re better off with a half full tank 
than a full one.  Wet towels soaked in warm water and laid on top of the tank 
can help.

-D



> On Feb 2, 2018, at 1:04 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> A 20# propane tank should be good down to about -20F, after that things get 
> iffy, or so I'm told anyway, we don't get that cold here really.
> Which reminds me of something, how do folks in metric countries refer to 
> their propane tanks? Buy weight or volume or other?
> -Curt
> 
> 
>On Friday, February 2, 2018, 12:46:03 PM EST, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:  
> 
> On 02/02/2018 10:26 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>> I'm dying to grill a steak outside but a cold front came through this
>> morning so that's a no-go.  I hate to broil it in the oven but I may just
>> have to do that.
>> 
> The weather is much warmer where you are than it is here in Winnipeg.
> I would think nothing of grilling a steak here so you should be able to 
> do it there.
> If your BBQ is propane, it will take longer to heat up and may not get 
> as hot. You might want to warm up the propane tank ahead of time.
> if you are a purist, using charcoal, it should make no difference if it 
> is cold out.
> 
> RB
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Grilling in cold weather

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

HA!We're going out tomorrow to run the Pisten Bully over the ice thats gotten 
on the trail in order to, hopefully, smash it up so we might be able to groom 
next week if it snows a bunch more. When we had out January thaw they had to 
close Birch Hill dam which got up to 19' of water and flooded much of the park 
we groom. All the low lying trails have 4-6" of ice settled on them. We can't 
just groom over top because the pressure ridges will break through and be 
dangerous. The Pisten Bully weighs some ungodly amount (20,000# or something) 
and has big metal cleats so hopefully it'll grind up the big chunks of ice 
enough that they aren't a problem.I don't dare take the ASV out, its got all 
rubber tracks and it'll get stuck. Theres also one section where I'm pretty 
sure it'll end up sliding sideways into the river which is a truely frightening 
prospect.


Traditionally if I host my own birthday party it'll snow a bunch. Next week I'm 
hosting my own birthday party and indeed snow is predicted which would normally 
spoil the party but I've out foxed old man winter because I'm going to be in 
California.
I shudder to think what horror is going to befall Southern California next week.
-Curt
 

On Friday, February 2, 2018, 2:15:50 PM EST, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
<mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:  
 
 Uh, I don't have central heat maker, except for the mini-split heat pump 
units.  Those days are long past...  plus I hate that I have to run heat 
anyway, I need to move further south...

--FT


On 2/2/18 2:06 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>  Hot water heater, BAH! Hydronic heat is what you want. The furnace that 
>heats my house makes my hot water, as long as the furnace works we've got all 
>the hot water we can use.
> -Curt
>
>      On Friday, February 2, 2018, 2:03:07 PM EST, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
><mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>  
>  My daughtter did a semester in Granada, Spain and lived in an apartment
> with 3 or 4 other girls,  Their hot water was heated by propane, with a
> tank under the sink cabinet.  They'd run out like every week and of
> course collecting money from them all was a challenge, so they mostly
> went without hot water.  But they would swap tanks at a little store a
> block or so away, have to lug the full tank back to the apt and up to
> the 4th floor.  They were the standard BBQ tanks so nothing apparently
> yurpeen or commie units about them.  That might have made cold showers
> more tolerable too (or they went native).  The heater was totally lame
> too, and the shower put out about a gallon per hour and it took about 5
> min to heat up.
>
> I love Merca and my 90gal hot water tanks and I took out those flow
> restrictors in my faucets and shower heads.
>
> --FT. [MMGA (Makin Merca Great Again)]
>
>
> On 2/2/18 1:14 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes wrote:
>> Curt.
>>
>> In the UK there are 20 kilo C alor Gas tanks.
>>
>> YMMV
>>
>> Fred.
>>
>>
>> Fred Moir.
>> Lynn MA.
>> Diesel preferred.
>>
>>
>> 
>> From: Mercedes <mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com> on behalf of Curt Raymond via 
>> Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> Sent: 02 February 2018 13:04
>> To: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
>> Cc: Curt Raymond
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Grilling in cold weather
>>
>> A 20# propane tank should be good down to about -20F, after that things get 
>> iffy, or so I'm told anyway, we don't get that cold here really.
>> Which reminds me of something, how do folks in metric countries refer to 
>> their propane tanks? Buy weight or volume or other?
>> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Grilling in cold weather

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Uh, I don't have central heat maker, except for the mini-split heat pump 
units.  Those days are long past...  plus I hate that I have to run heat 
anyway, I need to move further south...


--FT


On 2/2/18 2:06 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

  Hot water heater, BAH! Hydronic heat is what you want. The furnace that heats 
my house makes my hot water, as long as the furnace works we've got all the hot 
water we can use.
-Curt

 On Friday, February 2, 2018, 2:03:07 PM EST, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
<mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
  
  My daughtter did a semester in Granada, Spain and lived in an apartment

with 3 or 4 other girls,  Their hot water was heated by propane, with a
tank under the sink cabinet.  They'd run out like every week and of
course collecting money from them all was a challenge, so they mostly
went without hot water.  But they would swap tanks at a little store a
block or so away, have to lug the full tank back to the apt and up to
the 4th floor.  They were the standard BBQ tanks so nothing apparently
yurpeen or commie units about them.  That might have made cold showers
more tolerable too (or they went native).  The heater was totally lame
too, and the shower put out about a gallon per hour and it took about 5
min to heat up.

I love Merca and my 90gal hot water tanks and I took out those flow
restrictors in my faucets and shower heads.

--FT. [MMGA (Makin Merca Great Again)]


On 2/2/18 1:14 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes wrote:

Curt.

In the UK there are 20 kilo C alor Gas tanks.

YMMV

Fred.


Fred Moir.
Lynn MA.
Diesel preferred.



From: Mercedes <mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com> on behalf of Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
<mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Sent: 02 February 2018 13:04
To: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Cc: Curt Raymond
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Grilling in cold weather

A 20# propane tank should be good down to about -20F, after that things get 
iffy, or so I'm told anyway, we don't get that cold here really.
Which reminds me of something, how do folks in metric countries refer to their 
propane tanks? Buy weight or volume or other?
-Curt

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Grilling in cold weather

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Hot water heater, BAH! Hydronic heat is what you want. The furnace that heats 
my house makes my hot water, as long as the furnace works we've got all the hot 
water we can use.
-Curt

On Friday, February 2, 2018, 2:03:07 PM EST, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
<mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:  
 
 My daughtter did a semester in Granada, Spain and lived in an apartment 
with 3 or 4 other girls,  Their hot water was heated by propane, with a 
tank under the sink cabinet.  They'd run out like every week and of 
course collecting money from them all was a challenge, so they mostly 
went without hot water.  But they would swap tanks at a little store a 
block or so away, have to lug the full tank back to the apt and up to 
the 4th floor.  They were the standard BBQ tanks so nothing apparently 
yurpeen or commie units about them.  That might have made cold showers 
more tolerable too (or they went native).  The heater was totally lame 
too, and the shower put out about a gallon per hour and it took about 5 
min to heat up.

I love Merca and my 90gal hot water tanks and I took out those flow 
restrictors in my faucets and shower heads.

--FT. [MMGA (Makin Merca Great Again)]


On 2/2/18 1:14 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes wrote:
> Curt.
>
> In the UK there are 20 kilo C alor Gas tanks.
>
> YMMV
>
> Fred.
>
>
> Fred Moir.
> Lynn MA.
> Diesel preferred.
>
>
> 
> From: Mercedes <mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com> on behalf of Curt Raymond via 
> Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> Sent: 02 February 2018 13:04
> To: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
> Cc: Curt Raymond
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Grilling in cold weather
>
> A 20# propane tank should be good down to about -20F, after that things get 
> iffy, or so I'm told anyway, we don't get that cold here really.
> Which reminds me of something, how do folks in metric countries refer to 
> their propane tanks? Buy weight or volume or other?
> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Grilling in cold weather

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

My daughtter did a semester in Granada, Spain and lived in an apartment 
with 3 or 4 other girls,  Their hot water was heated by propane, with a 
tank under the sink cabinet.  They'd run out like every week and of 
course collecting money from them all was a challenge, so they mostly 
went without hot water.  But they would swap tanks at a little store a 
block or so away, have to lug the full tank back to the apt and up to 
the 4th floor.  They were the standard BBQ tanks so nothing apparently 
yurpeen or commie units about them.  That might have made cold showers 
more tolerable too (or they went native).  The heater was totally lame 
too, and the shower put out about a gallon per hour and it took about 5 
min to heat up.


I love Merca and my 90gal hot water tanks and I took out those flow 
restrictors in my faucets and shower heads.


--FT. [MMGA (Makin Merca Great Again)]


On 2/2/18 1:14 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes wrote:

Curt.

In the UK there are 20 kilo C alor Gas tanks.

YMMV

Fred.


Fred Moir.
Lynn MA.
Diesel preferred.



From: Mercedes <mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com> on behalf of Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
<mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Sent: 02 February 2018 13:04
To: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Cc: Curt Raymond
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Grilling in cold weather

A 20# propane tank should be good down to about -20F, after that things get 
iffy, or so I'm told anyway, we don't get that cold here really.
Which reminds me of something, how do folks in metric countries refer to their 
propane tanks? Buy weight or volume or other?
-Curt

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Grilling in cold weather

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Curt.

In the UK there are 20 kilo C alor Gas tanks.

YMMV

Fred.


Fred Moir.
Lynn MA.
Diesel preferred.



From: Mercedes <mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com> on behalf of Curt Raymond via 
Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Sent: 02 February 2018 13:04
To: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Cc: Curt Raymond
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Grilling in cold weather

A 20# propane tank should be good down to about -20F, after that things get 
iffy, or so I'm told anyway, we don't get that cold here really.
Which reminds me of something, how do folks in metric countries refer to their 
propane tanks? Buy weight or volume or other?
-Curt

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Grilling in cold weather

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

A 20# propane tank should be good down to about -20F, after that things get 
iffy, or so I'm told anyway, we don't get that cold here really.
Which reminds me of something, how do folks in metric countries refer to their 
propane tanks? Buy weight or volume or other?
-Curt
 

On Friday, February 2, 2018, 12:46:03 PM EST, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 On 02/02/2018 10:26 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> I'm dying to grill a steak outside but a cold front came through this
> morning so that's a no-go.  I hate to broil it in the oven but I may just
> have to do that.
>
The weather is much warmer where you are than it is here in Winnipeg.
I would think nothing of grilling a steak here so you should be able to 
do it there.
If your BBQ is propane, it will take longer to heat up and may not get 
as hot. You might want to warm up the propane tank ahead of time.
if you are a purist, using charcoal, it should make no difference if it 
is cold out.

RB

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Grilling in cold weather

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 02/02/2018 10:26 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

I'm dying to grill a steak outside but a cold front came through this
morning so that's a no-go.  I hate to broil it in the oven but I may just
have to do that.


The weather is much warmer where you are than it is here in Winnipeg.
I would think nothing of grilling a steak here so you should be able to 
do it there.
If your BBQ is propane, it will take longer to heat up and may not get 
as hot. You might want to warm up the propane tank ahead of time.
if you are a purist, using charcoal, it should make no difference if it 
is cold out.


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