Re: [MBZ] W140 SWB LR glass

[mitch--- via Mercedes]

My fault.
My script blocker was messing up the search function so it was returning 
left rear lwb glass.


Avenue Auto Wrecking USA-MO(Kansas-City) 816-861-5055
Has three of them for $64ea.

On 2022-02-27 10:54, mitch--- via Mercedes wrote:

Dans Used Auto Parts USA-TX(Houston) 281-580-7600

Claims to have it for $75, but a lot of these guys will list a piece
of glass so it searches as LH and put RH in the description, or list
it as SWB and put SEL in the description, so I'd talk to them and make
sure they've got what you want.



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Re: [MBZ] W140 SWB LR glass

[mitch--- via Mercedes]

Dans Used Auto Parts USA-TX(Houston) 281-580-7600

Claims to have it for $75, but a lot of these guys will list a piece of 
glass so it searches as LH and put RH in the description, or list it as 
SWB and put SEL in the description, so I'd talk to them and make sure 
they've got what you want.


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Re: [MBZ] W140 SWB LR glass

[Jack Crone via Mercedes]

I'll look the junkyards and see if I can find one. I can look nearby where
you are or I can see if I stumble across any nearby me and send it to you.
At the moment I don't know of any swb w140's but I'll look again as I
usually don't take notice of w140's.
Thanks,
Jack

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> Anybody have a W140 SWB LR door glass?
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Re: [MBZ] W140

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Here's a nice one for less

https://charlotte.craigslist.org/cto/d/clover-1997-mercedes-benz-s320/7424234461.html

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On 12/23/21 9:27 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:

This looks tidy.  You reckon it is worth a reach out?

AZBob

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Re: [MBZ] W140

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Understand.

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> On Dec 23, 2021, at 7:33 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
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> Seems high to me. The 104 powered 140 is kind of boring. 
> 
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>> On Dec 23, 2021, at 8:28 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
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>> This looks tidy.  You reckon it is worth a reach out?
>> 
>> AZBob
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>> Sent from my iPad
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Bob Rentfro
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>>> Office 623.393.6372 Cell 623-695-2072
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Re: [MBZ] W140

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Seems high to me. The 104 powered 140 is kind of boring. 

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> This looks tidy.  You reckon it is worth a reach out?
> 
> AZBob
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>> 
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Re: [MBZ] w140 odometer not working

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

>
> I’m assuming I can order them from the same place I get my caps?


Generally.

How do I know what transistor is there now so I know what to order?


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a good one and look.

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Re: [MBZ] w140 odometer not working

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These are completely different 

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> You used to? For 123 gears & glue?
> 
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> 
> On Jun 23, 2018 8:26 PM, "Curt Raymond"  wrote:
> I do?
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> On Sat, Jun 23, 2018 at 6:15 PM, Dwight Giles
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> Curt has you tube segment on odometer gear fix.
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> Dwight Giles Jr.
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> 
> On Jun 23, 2018 5:55 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
>  wrote:
> I am working on this 92 300SD which has the analog odometer. The speedo works 
> but the odometer does not. Assuming it was probably a broken plastic gear I 
> googled to see if I could find info on taking the cluster apart. I came 
> across a video talking about repairing then and the odometer not working 
> could be electrical or the gears. He also mentioned the cluster can be a 
> cause of a battery drain, which I do believe I have so I am now thinking I 
> could have electrical problems and possibly a gear problem. I have rebuilt a 
> few cruise control amps replacing the caps and resoldering the joints, but I 
> am not sure if I can tackle this as he mentions replacing transistors. If it 
> was just replacing the caps I would be Ok with it but I suppose I could 
> figure out the transistors as well. Anyway, anybody been down this road 
> before or know of a place I can send it off to and get it repaired?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] w140 odometer not working

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

You used to? For 123 gears & glue?

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Jun 23, 2018 8:26 PM, "Curt Raymond"  wrote:

I do?

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Curt has you tube segment on odometer gear fix.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Jun 23, 2018 5:55 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

I am working on this 92 300SD which has the analog odometer. The speedo
works but the odometer does not. Assuming it was probably a broken plastic
gear I googled to see if I could find info on taking the cluster apart. I
came across a video talking about repairing then and the odometer not
working could be electrical or the gears. He also mentioned the cluster can
be a cause of a battery drain, which I do believe I have so I am now
thinking I could have electrical problems and possibly a gear problem. I
have rebuilt a few cruise control amps replacing the caps and resoldering
the joints, but I am not sure if I can tackle this as he mentions replacing
transistors. If it was just replacing the caps I would be Ok with it but I
suppose I could figure out the transistors as well. Anyway, anybody been
down this road before or know of a place I can send it off to and get it
repaired?


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Re: [MBZ] w140 odometer not working

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I do?

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  On Sat, Jun 23, 2018 at 6:15 PM, Dwight Giles wrote:  
 Curt has you tube segment on odometer gear fix.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI
On Jun 23, 2018 5:55 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
 wrote:

I am working on this 92 300SD which has the analog odometer. The speedo works 
but the odometer does not. Assuming it was probably a broken plastic gear I 
googled to see if I could find info on taking the cluster apart. I came across 
a video talking about repairing then and the odometer not working could be 
electrical or the gears. He also mentioned the cluster can be a cause of a 
battery drain, which I do believe I have so I am now thinking I could have 
electrical problems and possibly a gear problem. I have rebuilt a few cruise 
control amps replacing the caps and resoldering the joints, but I am not sure 
if I can tackle this as he mentions replacing transistors. If it was just 
replacing the caps I would be Ok with it but I suppose I could figure out the 
transistors as well. Anyway, anybody been down this road before or know of a 
place I can send it off to and get it repaired?


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Re: [MBZ] w140 odometer not working

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Yes, same place should have them.  You'll probably have to take it apart
and get the numbers off the transistor(s) and capacitors in order to figure
out what to order.

-
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Charleston SC

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> I’m assuming I can order them from the same place I get my caps? How do I
> know what transistor is there now so I know what to order?
>
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Re: [MBZ] w140 odometer not working

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I’m assuming I can order them from the same place I get my caps? How do I know 
what transistor is there now so I know what to order?

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> wrote:
> 
> If you can replace a capacitor you can replace a transistor.
> It's not 50% harder even though it has three legs, not two.
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Re: [MBZ] w140 odometer not working

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If you can replace a capacitor you can replace a transistor.
It's not 50% harder even though it has three legs, not two.

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Re: [MBZ] w140 odometer not working

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Curt has you tube segment on odometer gear fix.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Jun 23, 2018 5:55 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I am working on this 92 300SD which has the analog odometer. The speedo
> works but the odometer does not. Assuming it was probably a broken plastic
> gear I googled to see if I could find info on taking the cluster apart. I
> came across a video talking about repairing then and the odometer not
> working could be electrical or the gears. He also mentioned the cluster can
> be a cause of a battery drain, which I do believe I have so I am now
> thinking I could have electrical problems and possibly a gear problem. I
> have rebuilt a few cruise control amps replacing the caps and resoldering
> the joints, but I am not sure if I can tackle this as he mentions replacing
> transistors. If it was just replacing the caps I would be Ok with it but I
> suppose I could figure out the transistors as well. Anyway, anybody been
> down this road before or know of a place I can send it off to and get it
> repaired?
>
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Re: [MBZ] W140 voltage

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

This car has screw down connectors also which were just fine when I swapped it.

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>  wrote:
> 
> Check the wiring harness connection at the alternator to make sure all the
> connections are clean and tight.
> 
> On my '87 wagon, I was plagued with low voltage and occasional no-charge,
> with a very very weak alternator light on that could be seen only at
> night.  Tracked it down to the wiring harness connector on the back of the
> alternator, which had the female sides of push-on spade type connectors.
> Had to carefully get those spade connectors out of the holder, pinch them
> down so they gripped better, and then all was well.
> 
> My '95 E300 has screw-down connections, not sure what your car has.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] W140 voltage

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Check the wiring harness connection at the alternator to make sure all the
connections are clean and tight.

On my '87 wagon, I was plagued with low voltage and occasional no-charge,
with a very very weak alternator light on that could be seen only at
night.  Tracked it down to the wiring harness connector on the back of the
alternator, which had the female sides of push-on spade type connectors.
Had to carefully get those spade connectors out of the holder, pinch them
down so they gripped better, and then all was well.

My '95 E300 has screw-down connections, not sure what your car has.

-
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Re: [MBZ] W140 voltage

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Well to add further confusion I looked it up in WIS and it’s saying its in spec 
if it’s 13-14 volts 

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> I think you figured it out - you need a good alternator, not a used one.
> 
> On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 8:57 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> The 92 SD had not started for the wife at random times a couple of times
>> and she had to get a jump. I think she said battery light was coming on
>> sometimes? I never saw it. Everything I checked it, it seemed to be
>> charging to me and battery light was not on, and it started right up. We
>> stopped driving it for a while. Today I have to get it back into service
>> quickly so I checked it further and it seemed to only be putting out at
>> about 12.9-13 volts at idle with the ac running and fans blowing. Turning
>> that off it would go to about 13.3 or so. I pulled the voltage regulator
>> and the brushes were worn almost all the way down. I pulled one out of
>> another alternator but it was some off brand but had good brushes. Put it
>> in and battery light stayed on and was not charging. Found another Bosch
>> one that looked like it had good brushes. Put it in, started car and light
>> was on but went out as soon as I revved it. With the original regulator and
>> alternator this is what I had done for many years, light would stay on till
>> you rev the engine then it stays off. This one was still putting out no
>> more than about 13. I then pulled an alternator off another SD and swapped
>> it in. Light goes out immediately but with the ac blowing on full it still
>> only puts out about 13 volts. If you rev it up it will go about 13.5. With
>> the ac off it will go 13.8. I just don’t think this is enough volts? I
>> don’t think I have another alternator laying around for thing thing so
>> would have to buy another one.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] W140 voltage

[OK Don via Mercedes]

I think you figured it out - you need a good alternator, not a used one.

On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 8:57 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> The 92 SD had not started for the wife at random times a couple of times
> and she had to get a jump. I think she said battery light was coming on
> sometimes? I never saw it. Everything I checked it, it seemed to be
> charging to me and battery light was not on, and it started right up. We
> stopped driving it for a while. Today I have to get it back into service
> quickly so I checked it further and it seemed to only be putting out at
> about 12.9-13 volts at idle with the ac running and fans blowing. Turning
> that off it would go to about 13.3 or so. I pulled the voltage regulator
> and the brushes were worn almost all the way down. I pulled one out of
> another alternator but it was some off brand but had good brushes. Put it
> in and battery light stayed on and was not charging. Found another Bosch
> one that looked like it had good brushes. Put it in, started car and light
> was on but went out as soon as I revved it. With the original regulator and
> alternator this is what I had done for many years, light would stay on till
> you rev the engine then it stays off. This one was still putting out no
> more than about 13. I then pulled an alternator off another SD and swapped
> it in. Light goes out immediately but with the ac blowing on full it still
> only puts out about 13 volts. If you rev it up it will go about 13.5. With
> the ac off it will go 13.8. I just don’t think this is enough volts? I
> don’t think I have another alternator laying around for thing thing so
> would have to buy another one.
>
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Re: [MBZ] W140 hood won’t release

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I don’t want to bend the hood 

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> On Mar 31, 2018, at 12:57 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Porta-power.
> 
> On Sat, Mar 31, 2018 at 12:11 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
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>> I have a 140 that the right side of the hood won’t release. The left latch
>> released but I can get drivers side to pop loose. Just the other day it was
>> fine. How can I pop it loose?
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Re: [MBZ] W140 hood won’t release

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Porta-power.

On Sat, Mar 31, 2018 at 12:11 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I have a 140 that the right side of the hood won’t release. The left latch
> released but I can get drivers side to pop loose. Just the other day it was
> fine. How can I pop it loose?
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Re: [MBZ] W140 hood won’t release

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

This is a car I need to put the head back on but in the mean time need to 
borrow the power steering pump for the other one I am working one the mounting 
ears are broken off the one in the car and I can’t seem to locate one for a 140 
diesel. I have several other pumps that look the same so I figured I would just 
swap the front section but no, the insides on each was just a little different. 



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>  wrote:
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> Flame wrench!
> 
> Or, let the kid or kid drive it.
>> Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>> March 31, 2018 at 12:11 PM
>> I have a 140 that the right side of the hood won’t release. The left latch 
>> released but I can get drivers side to pop loose. Just the other day it was 
>> fine. How can I pop it loose?
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Re: [MBZ] W140 hood won’t release

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Flame wrench!

Or, let the kid or kid drive it.

Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
March 31, 2018 at 12:11 PM
I have a 140 that the right side of the hood won’t release. The left 
latch released but I can get drivers side to pop loose. Just the other 
day it was fine. How can I pop it loose?




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Re: [MBZ] W140 hood won’t release

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I will try that 

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> On Mar 31, 2018, at 12:15 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
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> I had that problem on a 126, some PB Blaster got it loosed
> 
> --FT
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>> On 3/31/18 1:11 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> I have a 140 that the right side of the hood won’t release. The left latch 
>> released but I can get drivers side to pop loose. Just the other day it was 
>> fine. How can I pop it loose?
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Re: [MBZ] W140 hood won’t release

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I had that problem on a 126, some PB Blaster got it loosed

--FT


On 3/31/18 1:11 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

I have a 140 that the right side of the hood won’t release. The left latch 
released but I can get drivers side to pop loose. Just the other day it was 
fine. How can I pop it loose?

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: [MBZ] W140

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Whatever happened to "Bud"?  Ed O'Neil is amazing in Modern Family and
Christina Applegate has starred in numerous films.

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> > OMG I had forgotten how funny and wildly inappropriate that show was.
> >
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> >> https://www.facebook.com/OfficialMarriedwithChildren/
> videos/1399352503469256/
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Re: [MBZ] W140

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Yes, one of the greatest shows of all time. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 9, 2017, at 9:34 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
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> OMG I had forgotten how funny and wildly inappropriate that show was.
> 
>> On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 7:57 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
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Re: [MBZ] W140

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

OMG I had forgotten how funny and wildly inappropriate that show was.

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Re: [MBZ] W140 auto start upgrade

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

I think there is. I have a keyless fob for the 87 wagon. The same company
makes remote start fobs. I will see if I can recall the company name. Seems
like they do or have done these for many mercedes cars.

On Nov 18, 2016 6:55 PM, "clay via Mercedes"  wrote:

SWMBA has decided that #1 boy needs remote start in his '92 300SE.  He did
some minimal research and thinks there is no way to get this done.  The car
is in ND, he thinks only a stealership could tackle this.   Anybody think
there is a way for a remote start to be made possible in an early w140?
What would need to be done?

clay

2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1986 SDL - Polei

retired models-
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
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Re: [MBZ] W140 auto start upgrade

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

That's the ticket, put those on a timer, done.  Afternoons at work there's no 
outlet?  Park somewhere there is an outlet.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On November 19, 2016 3:00:47 AM EST, Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>
>I get great morning mileage out of a block heater and a little space
>heater
>inside the cabin.  Never scrape a window again!
>
>-- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] W140 auto start upgrade

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

That car won’t warm up significantly just sitting at idle in low ambients.  It 
will be warmer than a cold start, of course, but he probably won’t have cabin 
heat until he starts driving for a couple of miles.

I vote for the block heater.  Far more efficient and doesn’t waste fuel.  Have 
him throw an extension cord in the trunk for plugging in at work.  And what’s 
with that, after all?  It’s flippin’ North Dakota!  Doesn’t every place have a 
receptacle for block heaters?  Seems like they did when I was there some years 
ago.

Coldest place I’ve ever been in a car was Wausau, WI in January.  Was driving a 
Ford Escort wagon with vinyl seat material.  Went outside one morning to start 
the car to warm it up, and the interior of the car was so cold (I think the 
ambient temp was around -20F) that the seat didn’t compress when I sat on it.


B

Dan who is looking at ambients in the 50s right now br
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Re: [MBZ] W140 auto start upgrade

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

I've pretty much decided I kind of loathe this feature.  Way too many
people using it and stinking up the place.  So it's a little cold.  Suck it
up!  :-)   (I always think of a particular episode of Monk when I hear
this.)

I get great morning mileage out of a block heater and a little space heater
inside the cabin.  Never scrape a window again!

-- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] W140 auto start upgrade

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

even the monkeys at worst buy should be able to do this.  People in ND 
are generally smarter than worst buy monkeys, unless the NDers are druggies.



Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
November 18, 2016 at 9:00 PM
On a gasser it should be basically no big deal. Chase the wires from 
the switch, you'll need "on" and "start" and "ground".
Start shouldn't be hot unless on and the neutral safety switch both 
are but it'd be worth testing that before you really trust it.
Loads of people stupider than you and I do this all the time. I bet 
most every stereo shop sells remote starters.If it were a diesel it 
might be a challenge but not on a gasser...


-Curt


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Re: [MBZ] W140 auto start upgrade

[clay via Mercedes]

I sent him off with the block heater from my parts area.  I do not know if he 
installed it.  He does have plug in at home, but not at work.  Might be nice 
for him to be able to light off the car at work so it is sort of warm to go 
home.

clay


> On Nov 18, 2016, at 6:59 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Buy a block heater and have it delivered to Alex. 
> Instant heat without leaving the poor car running cold for 20 minutes every
> morning. They all have the threaded plug that you replace with the heater, 
> don't
> they? Or is it just diesels?
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] W140 auto start upgrade

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

If you really want to ghetto out the car go for it.

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> On Nov 18, 2016, at 8:55 PM, clay via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> SWMBA has decided that #1 boy needs remote start in his '92 300SE.  He did 
> some minimal research and thinks there is no way to get this done.  The car 
> is in ND, he thinks only a stealership could tackle this.   Anybody think 
> there is a way for a remote start to be made possible in an early w140?  What 
> would need to be done?
> 
> clay 
> 
> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
> 1986 SDL - Polei
> 
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> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
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Re: [MBZ] W140 auto start upgrade

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

On a gasser it should be basically no big deal. Chase the wires from the 
switch, you'll need "on" and "start" and "ground". 
Start shouldn't be hot unless on and the neutral safety switch both are but 
it'd be worth testing that before you really trust it.
Loads of people stupider than you and I do this all the time. I bet most every 
stereo shop sells remote starters.If it were a diesel it might be a challenge 
but not on a gasser...

-Curt

  From: clay via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List  
Cc: clay 
 Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 9:55 PM
 Subject: [MBZ] W140 auto start upgrade
   
SWMBA has decided that #1 boy needs remote start in his '92 300SE.  He did some 
minimal research and thinks there is no way to get this done.  The car is in 
ND, he thinks only a stealership could tackle this.  Anybody think there is a 
way for a remote start to be made possible in an early w140?  What would need 
to be done?

clay 

2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1986 SDL - Polei

retired models-
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers








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Re: [MBZ] W140 auto start upgrade

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Buy a block heater and have it delivered to Alex. 
Instant heat without leaving the poor car running cold for 20 minutes every
morning. They all have the threaded plug that you replace with the heater, don't
they? Or is it just diesels?
Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] W140 Diesel for Sale

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Good luck with your sale, sounds like a terrific car with decades of life
left in her.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 10:50 PM, W140 via Mercedes 
wrote:

> If you're looking for a nice W140 I am selling mine. I have a Pearl Black
> with Gray bottom trim 1992 W-140 300SD
> badged as a S350 with 143,000 miles.
> The car is located in Everett, Washington 25 miles North of Seattle.Just
> about EVERYTHING is new and ALL factory replaced by a Mercedes dealer.
> I am a 2nd owner and have had the car since 1999.At 75,000 miles: a NEW
> factory created engine, new evaporator, new turbo, new front springs,
> newshocks, new control arm bushings, new exhaust system, new injection
> pump, new engine boost sensor/manifold pressure sensor, new crankshaft
> positionsensor, new wiring harness, new water pump, new blower motor, new
> enginemounts (all 3), new Fan and Fan Blade Drive (main coolant fan), new
> throttle linkages,new belt tensioner spring,  new rubber lines, Vacuum
> fittings and Misc.lines, seals, gaskets, etc you name it the factory
> replaced it. If itsqueaked, clicked or hummed. I got it replaced, ALL
> RECORDS since the day it
> rolled off the boat here in Seattle.On the road I am getting 30 MPG ( I
> have got 31 but I was the only person and no baggage),
> around town getting 22 MPG. It has 800 mile legs with a 28 gal tank.
> Bose AM/FM with 6 CD capacity. Just as a point of interest, with me and a
> full tank of fuel the car weighs 5000 lbs with
> 2500lbs on the front axel and 2500lbs on the back axel. Pretty good
> balance, eh?
> Thermo-pane windows (double thick just like your house)
>
> At 142,000 miles I replaced all Brakes, Generator, Radiator, A/C
> compressor, wiring Harness.
> Windshield wipers.Again I have EVERY receipt since it rolled off the boat.
> Also Have ALL Original books,
> Complete Maintenance CD, Original W-140 VCR sales Tape, 2 New Extra Filters
> (Oil and Air). And an extra hub (if you need for snow tires. This car runs
> like a Swiss Watch.
>   OKNow the Bad News. Bumper paint has a few chips, 2 small Car door
> dings in left rear door,
> Just recently the antenna stopped working, this was after they replaced
> the Radiator (coincidence?)
>  I can still get local stations though.
> Right front fender has a small scrape, I cut it a little close when
> parking.
> The drivers seat has a small cut on the back of the seat which I have
> covered up with tape, Have extra filters (both oil and Air), a complete
> Maintenance CD, Original MB Promo VCR tape
> and Literature.  Any questions write me at w...@juno.com
> I'm asking $9995
>  I do have pictures both interior and exterior so if youre really
> interested email me and I will send them to you.
>
>  I can deliver anywhere for costs and trip back.  Walt Lasher
> 1992 S350 W140
> 2014 Chevrolet Volt
> Seattle, Wa.
>
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Re: [MBZ] W140 Diesel For Sale Seattle area

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

On June 26, 2016 at 6:14 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes  wrote:I was way off on some of these values.Looks like a lot of the valuation services don’t understand what a 350SD is in a W140 chassis. They keep referring to them as “300SD”s.Didn't MB start calling them 300SDs or S300 after the 3.5 engine got a bad reputation?Mitch. 
 

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Re: [MBZ] W140 Diesel For Sale Seattle area

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Yep; the sorry, crooked SOB's at MB called 'em 300SD to try to make buyers 
think they were getting the more reliable, earlier 300D/SD, instead of the 
crappy 3.5 rod bender.  Now, ask me what REALLY think of 'em.

Wilton
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On June 26, 2016 at 6:14 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
wrote:


I was way off on some of these values.

Looks like a lot of the valuation services don’t understand what a 350SD is 
in a W140 chassis. They keep referring to them as “300SD”s.




  Didn't MB start calling them 300SDs or S300 after the 3.5 engine got a bad 
reputation?


  Mitch. 




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Re: [MBZ] W140 Diesel For Sale Seattle area

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

On June 26, 2016 at 6:25 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes  wrote:Yabbut a number of places don’t even list the 350SD in 1994. I found that concerning as well.As few of them as there were I suspect the databases are particularly accurate.Virtually everybody prices a 2003 e320 wagon as if it were a 2004 and much higher than a 2002, when the 2003 is a S210 and the 2004 is a S211. I figure they just base the price on the sedan value +/- a fudge factor without taking into account the 2003 sedan is a different chassis series than the 2003 wagon. The 2003 wagon is so rare that there aren't enough transactions to establish a market, so I just figure a 2003 is worth the same as a 2002. Mitch. 
 

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Re: [MBZ] W140 Diesel For Sale Seattle area

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Yabbut a number of places don’t even list the 350SD in 1994.  I found that 
concerning as well.

As few of them as there were I suspect the databases are particularly accurate.

Dan


> On Jun 26, 2016, at 6:21 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> In 92-93 it was called 300SD even though it had the 3.5z in 94 it became the 
> s350
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 26, 2016, at 5:14 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I was way off on some of these values.
>> 
>> Looks like a lot of the valuation services don’t understand what a 350SD is 
>> in a W140 chassis.  They keep referring to them as “300SD”s.
>> 
>> Upon further digging, this car is definitely worth more than $2500.
>> 
>> Dan
>> 


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Re: [MBZ] W140 Diesel For Sale Seattle area

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Right - "what color was George Washington's white horse"?

On Sun, Jun 26, 2016 at 4:52 PM, Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> On Sun, 26 Jun 2016 13:40:00 -0400 (EDT) Mitch Haley via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
> > BTW, Walt, is your car black?
>
> The first line of his post says,
>
> > I just bought a Chevrolet Volt so am selling my Black 1992 S350 W140
> > Diesel.
>
>
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] W140 Diesel For Sale Seattle area

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In 92-93 it was called 300SD even though it had the 3.5z in 94 it became the 
s350

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 26, 2016, at 5:14 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I was way off on some of these values.
> 
> Looks like a lot of the valuation services don’t understand what a 350SD is 
> in a W140 chassis.  They keep referring to them as “300SD”s.
> 
> Upon further digging, this car is definitely worth more than $2500.
> 
> Dan
> 
>> On Jun 26, 2016, at 5:52 PM, Craig via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> On Sun, 26 Jun 2016 13:40:00 -0400 (EDT) Mitch Haley via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> BTW, Walt, is your car black?
>> 
>> The first line of his post says,
>> 
>>> I just bought a Chevrolet Volt so am selling my Black 1992 S350 W140
>>> Diesel.
>> 
>> 
>> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] W140 Diesel For Sale Seattle area

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I was way off on some of these values.

Looks like a lot of the valuation services don’t understand what a 350SD is in 
a W140 chassis.  They keep referring to them as “300SD”s.

Upon further digging, this car is definitely worth more than $2500.

Dan

> On Jun 26, 2016, at 5:52 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> On Sun, 26 Jun 2016 13:40:00 -0400 (EDT) Mitch Haley via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
>> BTW, Walt, is your car black?
> 
> The first line of his post says,
> 
>> I just bought a Chevrolet Volt so am selling my Black 1992 S350 W140
>> Diesel.
> 
> 
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] W140 Diesel For Sale Seattle area

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Sun, 26 Jun 2016 13:40:00 -0400 (EDT) Mitch Haley via Mercedes
 wrote:

> BTW, Walt, is your car black?

The first line of his post says,

> I just bought a Chevrolet Volt so am selling my Black 1992 S350 W140
> Diesel.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] W140 Diesel For Sale Seattle area

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

KBB is over the top as is NADA, which is pretty typical.

Edmunds is more realistic, with a private party being around $2k and retail 
around $3500.  That’s about the market around here.

Dan

 
> On Jun 26, 2016, at 3:17 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> A quick glance at KBB says it’s worth around $4600 with 150k on the clock and 
> very good condition.  I don’t recall what he said the mileage was.
> 
> Around here it might be a $3500-$4000 car.  Maybe.  On eBay someone will pay 
> higher prices, but you’ve got to find someone who you can close the deal 
> with, too….
> 
> Dan
> 
>> On Jun 26, 2016, at 3:10 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> The market for anything W140 is pretty lousy, almost as bad as the R129s. 
>> Not sure why, but I don’t see a lot of them around here, and even if it’s a 
>> nice one the prices aren’t near what they were a couple of years ago.  I 
>> think people are afraid of them or just don’t want the older cars.  Might 
>> also be due to the number of them still around.
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 26, 2016, at 3:03 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I will say right now the market for the 140 diesels is in the tank, instead 
>>> 240ds are selling for crazy money.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] W140 Diesel For Sale Seattle area

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

A quick glance at KBB says it’s worth around $4600 with 150k on the clock and 
very good condition.  I don’t recall what he said the mileage was.

Around here it might be a $3500-$4000 car.  Maybe.  On eBay someone will pay 
higher prices, but you’ve got to find someone who you can close the deal with, 
too….

Dan

> On Jun 26, 2016, at 3:10 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> The market for anything W140 is pretty lousy, almost as bad as the R129s. Not 
> sure why, but I don’t see a lot of them around here, and even if it’s a nice 
> one the prices aren’t near what they were a couple of years ago.  I think 
> people are afraid of them or just don’t want the older cars.  Might also be 
> due to the number of them still around.
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
>> On Jun 26, 2016, at 3:03 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I will say right now the market for the 140 diesels is in the tank, instead 
>> 240ds are selling for crazy money.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] W140 Diesel For Sale Seattle area

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

The market for anything W140 is pretty lousy, almost as bad as the R129s. Not 
sure why, but I don’t see a lot of them around here, and even if it’s a nice 
one the prices aren’t near what they were a couple of years ago.  I think 
people are afraid of them or just don’t want the older cars.  Might also be due 
to the number of them still around.

Dan


> On Jun 26, 2016, at 3:03 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I will say right now the market for the 140 diesels is in the tank, instead 
> 240ds are selling for crazy money.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] W140 Diesel For Sale Seattle area

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I will say right now the market for the 140 diesels is in the tank, instead 
240ds are selling for crazy money.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 26, 2016, at 1:58 PM, WILTON via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> And I told Walt that I wanted to be first in line for his 140.  Meanwhile, 
> time has moved along and "things" have changed.  SWMBO and I have gotten 
> along fairly well with just one car for about three years since the 350 SDL 
> died.  My 124 that I had planned to keep for another 10 years, or whatever 
> time that I may have left, was totaled by a damned fool running a red light 
> coupla months ago, and I now have an '07 E320CDI.  Coupla months ago, I may 
> have jumped on the 140, but now, I'm thinking I'll let it go.
> 
> Wilton 
>  - Original Message - 
>  From: Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>  To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>  Cc: Mitch Haley 
>  Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2016 12:16 PM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] W140 Diesel For Sale Seattle area
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  I seem to recall multiple people wanting to be first in line to buy Wilt and 
> Walt's 350SDs when they were ready to part with them, especially Walt's W140. 
> 
> 
>  Wilton's W126  died, but here's their chance to get Walt's W140. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  Mitch. 
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Re: [MBZ] W140 Diesel For Sale Seattle area

[WILTON via Mercedes]

And I told Walt that I wanted to be first in line for his 140.  Meanwhile, time 
has moved along and "things" have changed.  SWMBO and I have gotten along 
fairly well with just one car for about three years since the 350 SDL died.  My 
124 that I had planned to keep for another 10 years, or whatever time that I 
may have left, was totaled by a damned fool running a red light coupla months 
ago, and I now have an '07 E320CDI.  Coupla months ago, I may have jumped on 
the 140, but now, I'm thinking I'll let it go.

Wilton 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
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  Cc: Mitch Haley 
  Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2016 12:16 PM
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] W140 Diesel For Sale Seattle area





  I seem to recall multiple people wanting to be first in line to buy Wilt and 
Walt's 350SDs when they were ready to part with them, especially Walt's W140. 


  Wilton's W126  died, but here's their chance to get Walt's W140. 





  Mitch. 




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Re: [MBZ] W140 Diesel For Sale Seattle area

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On June 26, 2016 at 12:21 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes  wrote:Totally different beast. Same engine, but the body is different and far more complexYes, a final year W126 and first year W140 are very different cars. .We all know Walt has cared for it well, so there is little question it will be a nice car.And that's what was the same about Wilton's 1991. I recall both had been getting unsolicited 'when you're ready to sell, let me know' messages via this list,and I believe some of the same people were saying that about both cars in previous years. I just wish Walt didn't live on the west coast.BTW, Walt, is your car black?Mitch. 
 

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Re: [MBZ] W140 Diesel For Sale Seattle area

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Totally different beast.  Same engine, but the body is different and far more 
complex.

We all know Walt has cared for it well, so there is little question it will be 
a nice car.

Dan


> On Jun 26, 2016, at 12:16 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> I seem to recall multiple people wanting to be first in line to buy Wilt and 
> Walt's 350SDs when they were ready to part with them, especially Walt's W140. 
> 
> Wilton's W126  died, but here's their chance to get Walt's W140. 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] W140 Diesel For Sale Seattle area

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

I seem to recall multiple people wanting to be first in line to buy Wilt and Walt's 350SDs when they were ready to part with them, especially Walt's W140. Wilton's W126  died, but here's their chance to get Walt's W140. Mitch. 
 

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Re: [MBZ] W140 Diesel For Sale Seattle area

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Post a price when you have one.  The only pricing suggestions you’re going to 
get here will be $500 from Kaleb.

Dan

> On Jun 26, 2016, at 10:25 AM, W140 via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> 
> I just bought a Chevrolet Volt so am selling my Black 1992 S350 W140 Diesel.
> 140,000 miles, Factory New Engine at 75,000 miles. I am the second owner and 
> bought it in 1999 and  have EVERY recept since it rolled off the boat.
> Replaced in the last year: Radiator, A/C compressor, brakes both front and 
> rear, generator,etc
> I will post more info when I get home since all my info is on my laptop.
> Any questions can be sent to me direct at  w...@juno.com
> All major repairs were done at MB Dealer in Seattle.
> Still trying to establish a price and open to suggestions.
> Most everything was replaced under MB warranty at 75,000.
> Will add more in my next post or directly if you write me
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] W140/M119 Fan Clutch

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

They don’t.  With a HF literally 2 miles from my house, you can be sure I 
checked.  I was able to do it with a strap wrench and a small pipe wrench to 
grip the edge of the pulley.  Crude, but effective.

Dan


> On Jun 5, 2016, at 7:22 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I checked with the 119 expert Dave m and he says the HF style holder works on 
> the 119, although I guess they don't sell them anymore?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] W140/M119 Fan Clutch

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I checked with the 119 expert Dave m and he says the HF style holder works on 
the 119, although I guess they don't sell them anymore?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 5, 2016, at 6:15 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> The Okieserver likes to strip my photos, no matter how far below the 40k 
> limit they are…
> 
> You can see it in the thread “Today with the W126” via a Dropbox link.
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
>> On Jun 5, 2016, at 7:10 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Wow, total conversion from mass to energy!
>> 
>> Or, nothing was attached to your email...
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Re: [MBZ] W140/M119 Fan Clutch

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The Okieserver likes to strip my photos, no matter how far below the 40k limit 
they are…

You can see it in the thread “Today with the W126” via a Dropbox link.

Dan

 
> On Jun 5, 2016, at 7:10 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Wow, total conversion from mass to energy!
> 
> Or, nothing was attached to your email...
> -- 
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Re: [MBZ] W140/M119 Fan Clutch

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Wow, total conversion from mass to energy!

Or, nothing was attached to your email...
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On June 5, 2016 1:01:18 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
wrote:
>Remains of the old fan clutch:
>
>
>
>
>> On Jun 5, 2016, at 11:10 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
> wrote:
>> 
>> Some of the holder tools sort of grab onto the head of the bolts
>holding the pulley to the wanted pump, it has holes the head of the
>bolt would fit in then you can leverage against that.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jun 5, 2016, at 9:27 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes
> wrote:
>>> 
>>> No.  The M119 doesn’t have a hole in the back of the water pump
>pulley flange.
>>> 
>>> Dan
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jun 5, 2016, at 10:24 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes
> wrote:
 
 That's weird there is no hole on the back of water pump pulley. 
>Aftermarket water pump maybe?
 -- 
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 '95 E300
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Re: [MBZ] W140/M119 Fan Clutch

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Remains of the old fan clutch:




> On Jun 5, 2016, at 11:10 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Some of the holder tools sort of grab onto the head of the bolts holding the 
> pulley to the wanted pump, it has holes the head of the bolt would fit in 
> then you can leverage against that.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 5, 2016, at 9:27 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> No.  The M119 doesn’t have a hole in the back of the water pump pulley 
>> flange.
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 5, 2016, at 10:24 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> That's weird there is no hole on the back of water pump pulley.  
>>> Aftermarket water pump maybe?
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Re: [MBZ] W140/M119 Fan Clutch

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Some of the holder tools sort of grab onto the head of the bolts holding the 
pulley to the wanted pump, it has holes the head of the bolt would fit in then 
you can leverage against that.

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> On Jun 5, 2016, at 9:27 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> No.  The M119 doesn’t have a hole in the back of the water pump pulley flange.
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
>> On Jun 5, 2016, at 10:24 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> That's weird there is no hole on the back of water pump pulley.  Aftermarket 
>> water pump maybe?
>> -- 
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>> Charleston SC
>> '87 300TD
>> '95 E300
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Re: [MBZ] W140/M119 Fan Clutch

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

No.  The M119 doesn’t have a hole in the back of the water pump pulley flange.

Dan


> On Jun 5, 2016, at 10:24 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> That's weird there is no hole on the back of water pump pulley.  Aftermarket 
> water pump maybe?
> -- 
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Re: [MBZ] W140/M119 Fan Clutch

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

That's weird there is no hole on the back of water pump pulley.  Aftermarket 
water pump maybe?
-- 
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On June 5, 2016 9:46:20 AM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
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>Started in on the youngest’s S420 fan clutch.
>
>The M119 doesn’t have the nice hole in the back of the water pump
>pulley to hold the pulley, so you have to improvise.  There are tools
>(I borrowed one from Advance Auto) but they don’t work.  I ended up
>using a strap wrench and a small pipe wrench as a holding tool to keep
>the pulley in place while I popped the 8mm Allen wrench with a long
>extension on it.
>
>It came loose, luckily.  I did soak the area down with some Kroil
>yesterday, too, which I assume helped.
>
>I’ll post a picture of the old fan clutch in a little bit, but for some
>weird reason the bimetallic spring came loose at one end and got all
>twisted up from what I can see.  There’s nothing that would indicate a
>foreign object in the area, as everything else around it is fine, such
>as the radiator fins.  I’m wondering if a former mechanic buggered it
>up and just left it as-is.
>
>I cleaned up the fan with some Simple Green and have a new serpentine
>belt ready for installation.  The old belt was cracking in the “V”s
>
>In the past I considered doing the fan clutch one of the worst jobs
>possible and with the least potential for success.  With the proper
>tools and resources it’s not bad at all.  I only wish the M119 engines
>had the same pulley holding arrangements the diesels and some of the
>gassers have.
>
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Re: [MBZ] W140 winder woes

[clay via Mercedes]

I am not clear on his weather woes.  I take what he tells me as true

clay

On Feb 29, 2016, at 9:48 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:

> On 29/02/2016 11:31 AM, clay via Mercedes wrote:
>> Last I dealt with the car was in June.  At that time the driver window was 
>> not moving consistently when the switch was used.  Pulled the door card and 
>> I forget what we did for the solution.  May have come off the rail.
>> 
>> Rear windows do not go up and down regularly now.  There seems to be noise 
>> when the switch is applied.  Kid is not disclosing much other than he does 
>> not want to try the window in case it gets stuck open in -40 weather.
>> 
>> clay
>> 
>> 
>> 
> Where are they getting -40 F in ND?
> I am in Manitoba (just North of ND)  and we have had little that has been 
> much worse than -25 C.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] W140 winder woes

[clay via Mercedes]

That is possible, but I think things were going south before it got very cold.  
Car does park outside 24/7

clay

On Feb 29, 2016, at 9:36 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

> Could just be they are frozen no?
> I've had lots of vehicles that had troubles with windows in freezing cold 
> temps that went away when it was warmer.
> Could be also he ran or tried to run a window down when it was real cold out 
> and bent/broke something while the window was frozen...
> -Curt
> 
>  From: clay via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
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> Subject: Re: [MBZ] W140 winder woes
> 
> Last I dealt with the car was in June.  At that time the driver window was 
> not moving consistently when the switch was used.  Pulled the door card and I 
> forget what we did for the solution.  May have come off the rail.
> 
> Rear windows do not go up and down regularly now.  There seems to be noise 
> when the switch is applied.  Kid is not disclosing much other than he does 
> not want to try the window in case it gets stuck open in -40 weather.
> 
> clay
> 
> 
> 
> On Feb 29, 2016, at 2:30 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> 
>> I’ll address this later this morning when I have a minute.
>> 
>> In the meantime, can you be a little more specific about the exact 
>> problem(s) he’s having? You haven’t really told us a lot.
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 28, 2016, at 11:47 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
>>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> W140 windows are computer operated.  Which sucks if you have a bad motor
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] W140 winder woes

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Rear windows and front windows are completely different in their operation, I 
believe.  Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, as I haven't had to deal with 
windows in a W140 sedan, other than the rear.

Fronts, I believe, are the typical "scissors" type of regulator. Rear windows 
use a cable and pulley setup that seems prone to fail by design.

If the rear window(s) is/are acting up, he's best off to leave them alone. The 
most common failure I have seen usually involves the cable coming off the guide 
roller at the bottom or the roller itself breaking into pieces and the cable 
gets caught in the mechanism.

Tell him to keep the windows up until summer.

Based on the limited information, I don't think you have electrical issues, I 
think you have mechanical issues with the windows themselves.

Dan



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> On Feb 29, 2016, at 12:31 PM, clay via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> Last I dealt with the car was in June.  At that time the driver window was 
> not moving consistently when the switch was used.  Pulled the door card and I 
> forget what we did for the solution.  May have come off the rail.
> 
> Rear windows do not go up and down regularly now.  There seems to be noise 
> when the switch is applied.  Kid is not disclosing much other than he does 
> not want to try the window in case it gets stuck open in -40 weather
> 
> clay
> 
> 
> 
>> On Feb 29, 2016, at 2:30 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> 
>> I’ll address this later this morning when I have a minute.
>> 
>> In the meantime, can you be a little more specific about the exact 
>> problem(s) he’s having? You haven’t really told us a lot.
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 28, 2016, at 11:47 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> W140 windows are computer operated.  Which sucks if you have a bad motor
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] W140 winder woes

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 29/02/2016 11:31 AM, clay via Mercedes wrote:

Last I dealt with the car was in June.  At that time the driver window was not 
moving consistently when the switch was used.  Pulled the door card and I 
forget what we did for the solution.  May have come off the rail.

Rear windows do not go up and down regularly now.  There seems to be noise when 
the switch is applied.  Kid is not disclosing much other than he does not want 
to try the window in case it gets stuck open in -40 weather.

clay




Where are they getting -40 F in ND?
I am in Manitoba (just North of ND)  and we have had little that has 
been much worse than -25 C.


RB

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Re: [MBZ] W140 winder woes

[clay via Mercedes]

Car is a 1992 300SE.  Salvage title purchased from a PnP with shot 
transmission.  Put transmission into it, CEL is on due to under hood wire 
insulation.  
Vacuum pump under the rear seat is non functional, so no auto lock.  Sunroof 
does open and close, but is balky.  Rear back up sticks are not working.  I am 
not aware of any things living in the rear, other than the battery and the 
amp/antenna.  Interior is stock.  Seats work, Becker works, AC blows cold, heat 
is not a furnace, but good enough.  I think he has 220k on it.  Transmission 
went in at 203k.  

I am aware that the window glass is overly heavy and can lead to failure of the 
window motors or bending of the regulator.  Other interior wiring has been 
shown to be in good condition.  A Marshall Booth fuse ectomy was done.  Only 
screwy thing is the wiper (I think #17) will function erratically. 

clay

On Feb 29, 2016, at 4:48 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

> Your posts are a stream of consciousness rather that a clearly defined list 
> of issues.
> 
> Can you give us specifics? Model year would help, too, as the interior 
> systems went through a number of running production/design changes.
> 
> Despite having the biodegradable harness, failures in the interior portions 
> of the wiring are really rare. It typically fails where it's exposed to heat, 
> such as the engine compartment.  I have never seen an interior harness fail 
> on one of these.
> 
> In the W140, window operation is controlled by the convenience module, 
> which,,if memory serves me correctly, is located in the trunk on the right 
> side.  Failures of the convenience module affect all windows, so if the 
> problems are related to one or two and not all, it's unlikely to be the 
> problem.
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Feb 28, 2016, at 8:14 PM, clay via Mercedes  wrote:
>> 
>> This is a long distance mystery diagnosis/fix.
>> 
>> #1 boy has his 300SE in ND with windows that are misbehaving.  Erratic 
>> weather at the moment, so he is unwilling to dive in until deeper into 
>> Spring.  I have been able to figure out the switches are good.  When it is 
>> unzipped, we will know if the motor, regulator, or some wee part is making 
>> the window unhappy.
>> 
>> Dan, since you have vast knowledge of the W140 series.  What are the most 
>> probable causes that you have found?  Kid is hoping it is a simple Dorman 
>> part instead of needing to dig deep into the EPC.   Maybe Kaleb has window 
>> motors that he will part with, or should we look at just replacing the motor 
>> and using original gearing?  
>> 
>> Child is now investing far too much in heavy weaponry because he thinks a 
>> wire harness is thousands of $$$.  Is this a realistic view, or can a fresh 
>> Delco harness be found for a few hundred?   He had pulled a harness out of a 
>> 93 SE, but cut it short of the computer end.  Are they even compatible?
>> 
>> 
>> clay 
>> 
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>> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
>> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
>> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
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Re: [MBZ] W140 winder woes

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Could just be they are frozen no?
I've had lots of vehicles that had troubles with windows in freezing cold temps 
that went away when it was warmer.
Could be also he ran or tried to run a window down when it was real cold out 
and bent/broke something while the window was frozen...
-Curt

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Cc: clay <redgh...@comcast.net>
 Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 12:31 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] W140 winder woes
   
Last I dealt with the car was in June.  At that time the driver window was not 
moving consistently when the switch was used.  Pulled the door card and I 
forget what we did for the solution.  May have come off the rail.

Rear windows do not go up and down regularly now.  There seems to be noise when 
the switch is applied.  Kid is not disclosing much other than he does not want 
to try the window in case it gets stuck open in -40 weather.

clay



On Feb 29, 2016, at 2:30 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

> I’ll address this later this morning when I have a minute.
> 
> In the meantime, can you be a little more specific about the exact problem(s) 
> he’s having? You haven’t really told us a lot.
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
>> On Feb 28, 2016, at 11:47 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> W140 windows are computer operated.  Which sucks if you have a bad motor
>> 
>> Peter
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Re: [MBZ] W140 winder woes

[clay via Mercedes]

Last I dealt with the car was in June.  At that time the driver window was not 
moving consistently when the switch was used.  Pulled the door card and I 
forget what we did for the solution.  May have come off the rail.

Rear windows do not go up and down regularly now.  There seems to be noise when 
the switch is applied.  Kid is not disclosing much other than he does not want 
to try the window in case it gets stuck open in -40 weather.

clay



On Feb 29, 2016, at 2:30 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

> I’ll address this later this morning when I have a minute.
> 
> In the meantime, can you be a little more specific about the exact problem(s) 
> he’s having? You haven’t really told us a lot.
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
>> On Feb 28, 2016, at 11:47 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> W140 windows are computer operated.  Which sucks if you have a bad motor
>> 
>> Peter
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Re: [MBZ] W140 winder woes

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

In the W140, window operation is controlled by the convenience 
module, which,,if memory serves me correctly, is located in the 
trunk on the right side.  Failures of the convenience module affect 
all windows, so if the problems are related to one or two and not 
all, it's unlikely to be the problem.


Dan


That makes some of us long for the days when fixing a window was 
replacing a plastic slide, a regulator made of steel, or a handle.


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Re: [MBZ] W140 winder woes

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Your posts are a stream of consciousness rather that a clearly defined list of 
issues.

Can you give us specifics? Model year would help, too, as the interior systems 
went through a number of running production/design changes.

Despite having the biodegradable harness, failures in the interior portions of 
the wiring are really rare. It typically fails where it's exposed to heat, such 
as the engine compartment.  I have never seen an interior harness fail on one 
of these.

In the W140, window operation is controlled by the convenience module, 
which,,if memory serves me correctly, is located in the trunk on the right 
side.  Failures of the convenience module affect all windows, so if the 
problems are related to one or two and not all, it's unlikely to be the problem.

Dan


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> On Feb 28, 2016, at 8:14 PM, clay via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> This is a long distance mystery diagnosis/fix.
> 
> #1 boy has his 300SE in ND with windows that are misbehaving.  Erratic 
> weather at the moment, so he is unwilling to dive in until deeper into 
> Spring.  I have been able to figure out the switches are good.  When it is 
> unzipped, we will know if the motor, regulator, or some wee part is making 
> the window unhappy.
> 
> Dan, since you have vast knowledge of the W140 series.  What are the most 
> probable causes that you have found?  Kid is hoping it is a simple Dorman 
> part instead of needing to dig deep into the EPC.   Maybe Kaleb has window 
> motors that he will part with, or should we look at just replacing the motor 
> and using original gearing?  
> 
> Child is now investing far too much in heavy weaponry because he thinks a 
> wire harness is thousands of $$$.  Is this a realistic view, or can a fresh 
> Delco harness be found for a few hundred?   He had pulled a harness out of a 
> 93 SE, but cut it short of the computer end.  Are they even compatible?
> 
> 
> clay 
> 
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> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
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Re: [MBZ] W140 winder woes

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I’ll address this later this morning when I have a minute.

In the meantime, can you be a little more specific about the exact problem(s) 
he’s having? You haven’t really told us a lot.

Dan


> On Feb 28, 2016, at 11:47 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
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> 
> W140 windows are computer operated.  Which sucks if you have a bad motor
> 
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Re: [MBZ] W140 winder woes

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

W140 windows are computer operated.  Which sucks if you have a bad  
motor


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] W140 winder woes

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Well if that's what it is it needs a new regulator as the cable probably broke.

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> On Feb 28, 2016, at 8:02 PM, clay via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> Boy thinks the glass has fallen off the arm.  Driver window had failed last 
> year and we screwed around with it.  It might have a wiring issue.  Rear 
> windows are the ones not going up or down.  Weather around there is -40 much 
> of the time, so he has not opened it up to really know.
> 
> I pulled the regulators from the W115 and found that the motors would fail 
> out, but the gearing part was still good.  Except one.  Electric motors were 
> pretty standard, so could swap around.   I assume the motors for other models 
> could work.  If I can snag them from PnP, that would be useful, but would 
> need to know what model had compatible motors.
> 
> Since I am 900 miles away from the car, I was wondering mean time between 
> failure for systems was.  The likelihood of motor, regulator, or other part 
> being prime cause so the parts are on deck so he does not need to drive 
> around waiting for the parts or to solve the problem.
> 
> Car has the original biodegradable harness.  CEL has been illuminated since 
> he got the car, but it clears long enough to pass emissions.  There are a few 
> spots were the insulation is gone, and the thing needs replaced.  I was 
> wondering what replacement harness costs.  If it is reasonable, I would just 
> get him one for his birthday.  He has enough idiots he lives with who can 
> help him install
> 
> 
> clay 
> 
> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Feb 28, 2016, at 5:25 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> 
>> Well I have owned 140s for decades before poos did but have forgotten more 
>> about them that poos knows. But anyway what are the problems exactly with 
>> the windows?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Feb 28, 2016, at 7:14 PM, clay via Mercedes  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> This is a long distance mystery diagnosis/fix.
>>> 
>>> #1 boy has his 300SE in ND with windows that are misbehaving.  Erratic 
>>> weather at the moment, so he is unwilling to dive in until deeper into 
>>> Spring.  I have been able to figure out the switches are good.  When it is 
>>> unzipped, we will know if the motor, regulator, or some wee part is making 
>>> the window unhappy.
>>> 
>>> Dan, since you have vast knowledge of the W140 series.  What are the most 
>>> probable causes that you have found?  Kid is hoping it is a simple Dorman 
>>> part instead of needing to dig deep into the EPC.   Maybe Kaleb has window 
>>> motors that he will part with, or should we look at just replacing the 
>>> motor and using original gearing?  
>>> 
>>> Child is now investing far too much in heavy weaponry because he thinks a 
>>> wire harness is thousands of $$$.  Is this a realistic view, or can a fresh 
>>> Delco harness be found for a few hundred?   He had pulled a harness out of 
>>> a 93 SE, but cut it short of the computer end.  Are they even compatible?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> clay 
>>> 
>>> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
>>> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
>>> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
>>> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
>>> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
>>> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] W140 winder woes

[clay via Mercedes]

I was thinking of hitting knackers, but the w140 has become a bit scarce for 
the past few months

clay

On Feb 28, 2016, at 6:23 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:

> 
> 
> This is all general MB experience, nothing particular to a 140POS.
> 
> The rear windows have a kidproof lockout.  perhaps all that needs to be done 
> is to slide that switch the other direction.
> 
> LF and RR should be on one circuit, and RF and LR on the other.
> 
> I've had the plastic slider fail, letting the window fall (not on a 140)
> 
> About 1985, the regulators got cheap, going form a cast aluminum gear to a 
> stamped 1/8" steel gear.  The steel gear strips.  That is usually manifest 
> first by a clicking sound when the window is up all the way.
> 
> You could have a bad slider, a bad regulator or a bad motor or even bad 
> wiring.
> 
> the motors, even on say a 126 come in many shapes and sizes, so probably not 
> easily interchangeable.  Best bet is to acquire the whole regulator/motor 
> assembly from the knackers and change it, IF that is the problem.
> 
> 
>> Boy thinks the glass has fallen off the arm.  Driver window had failed last 
>> year and we screwed around with it.  It might have a wiring issue.  Rear 
>> windows are the ones not going up or down. Weather around there is -40 much 
>> of the time, so he has not opened it up to really know.
>> 
>> I pulled the regulators from the W115 and found that the motors would fail 
>> out, but the gearing part was still good.  Except one. Electric motors were 
>> pretty standard, so could swap around.   I assume the motors for other 
>> models could work.  If I can snag them from PnP, that would be useful, but 
>> would need to know what model had compatible motors.
>> 
>> Since I am 900 miles away from the car, I was wondering mean time between 
>> failure for systems was.  The likelihood of motor, regulator, or other part 
>> being prime cause so the parts are on deck so he does not need to drive 
>> around waiting for the parts or to solve the problem.
>> 
>> Car has the original biodegradable harness.  CEL has been illuminated since 
>> he got the car, but it clears long enough to pass emissions.  There are a 
>> few spots were the insulation is gone, and the thing needs replaced.  I was 
>> wondering what replacement harness costs.  If it is reasonable, I would just 
>> get him one for his birthday.  He has enough idiots he lives with who can 
>> help him install
>> 
>> 
>> clay
>> 
>> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
>> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
>> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
>> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
>> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
>> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Feb 28, 2016, at 5:25 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> 
>>> Well I have owned 140s for decades before poos did but have forgotten more 
>>> about them that poos knows. But anyway what are the problems exactly with 
>>> the windows?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Feb 28, 2016, at 7:14 PM, clay via Mercedes  
 wrote:
 
 This is a long distance mystery diagnosis/fix.
 
 #1 boy has his 300SE in ND with windows that are misbehaving. Erratic 
 weather at the moment, so he is unwilling to dive in until deeper into 
 Spring.  I have been able to figure out the switches are good.  When it is 
 unzipped, we will know if the motor, regulator, or some wee part is making 
 the window unhappy.
 
 Dan, since you have vast knowledge of the W140 series.  What are the most 
 probable causes that you have found?  Kid is hoping it is a simple Dorman 
 part instead of needing to dig deep into the EPC. Maybe Kaleb has window 
 motors that he will part with, or should we look at just replacing the 
 motor and using original gearing?
>> >>
>> >> Child is now investing far too much in heavy weaponry because he thinks a 
>> >> wire harness is thousands of $$$.  Is this a realistic view, or can a 
>> >> fresh Delco harness be found for a few hundred?   He had pulled a harness 
>> >> out of a 93 SE, but cut it short of the computer end.  Are they even 
>> >> compatible?
 
 
 clay
 
 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
>> >> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
 POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] W140 winder woes

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

This is all general MB experience, nothing particular to a 140POS.

The rear windows have a kidproof lockout.  perhaps all that needs to 
be done is to slide that switch the other direction.


LF and RR should be on one circuit, and RF and LR on the other.

I've had the plastic slider fail, letting the window fall (not on a 140)

About 1985, the regulators got cheap, going form a cast aluminum gear 
to a stamped 1/8" steel gear.  The steel gear strips.  That is 
usually manifest first by a clicking sound when the window is up all 
the way.


You could have a bad slider, a bad regulator or a bad motor or even bad wiring.

the motors, even on say a 126 come in many shapes and sizes, so 
probably not easily interchangeable.  Best bet is to acquire the 
whole regulator/motor assembly from the knackers and change it, IF 
that is the problem.



Boy thinks the glass has fallen off the arm.  Driver window had 
failed last year and we screwed around with it.  It might have a 
wiring issue.  Rear windows are the ones not going up or down. 
Weather around there is -40 much of the time, so he has not opened 
it up to really know.


I pulled the regulators from the W115 and found that the motors 
would fail out, but the gearing part was still good.  Except one. 
Electric motors were pretty standard, so could swap around.   I 
assume the motors for other models could work.  If I can snag them 
from PnP, that would be useful, but would need to know what model 
had compatible motors.


Since I am 900 miles away from the car, I was wondering mean time 
between failure for systems was.  The likelihood of motor, 
regulator, or other part being prime cause so the parts are on deck 
so he does not need to drive around waiting for the parts or to 
solve the problem.


Car has the original biodegradable harness.  CEL has been 
illuminated since he got the car, but it clears long enough to pass 
emissions.  There are a few spots were the insulation is gone, and 
the thing needs replaced.  I was wondering what replacement harness 
costs.  If it is reasonable, I would just get him one for his 
birthday.  He has enough idiots he lives with who can help him 
install



clay

2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers








On Feb 28, 2016, at 5:25 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

 Well I have owned 140s for decades before poos did but have 
forgotten more about them that poos knows. But anyway what are the 
problems exactly with the windows?


 Sent from my iPhone

 On Feb 28, 2016, at 7:14 PM, clay via Mercedes 
 wrote:


 This is a long distance mystery diagnosis/fix.

 #1 boy has his 300SE in ND with windows that are misbehaving. 
Erratic weather at the moment, so he is unwilling to dive in until 
deeper into Spring.  I have been able to figure out the switches 
are good.  When it is unzipped, we will know if the motor, 
regulator, or some wee part is making the window unhappy.


 Dan, since you have vast knowledge of the W140 series.  What are 
the most probable causes that you have found?  Kid is hoping it is 
a simple Dorman part instead of needing to dig deep into the EPC. 
Maybe Kaleb has window motors that he will part with, or should we 
look at just replacing the motor and using original gearing?

 >>
 >> Child is now investing far too much in heavy weaponry because he 
thinks a wire harness is thousands of $$$.  Is this a realistic 
view, or can a fresh Delco harness be found for a few hundred?   He 
had pulled a harness out of a 93 SE, but cut it short of the 
computer end.  Are they even compatible?



 clay

 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery

 >> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran

 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
 POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers








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Re: [MBZ] W140 winder woes

[clay via Mercedes]

Boy thinks the glass has fallen off the arm.  Driver window had failed last 
year and we screwed around with it.  It might have a wiring issue.  Rear 
windows are the ones not going up or down.  Weather around there is -40 much of 
the time, so he has not opened it up to really know.

I pulled the regulators from the W115 and found that the motors would fail out, 
but the gearing part was still good.  Except one.  Electric motors were pretty 
standard, so could swap around.   I assume the motors for other models could 
work.  If I can snag them from PnP, that would be useful, but would need to 
know what model had compatible motors.

Since I am 900 miles away from the car, I was wondering mean time between 
failure for systems was.  The likelihood of motor, regulator, or other part 
being prime cause so the parts are on deck so he does not need to drive around 
waiting for the parts or to solve the problem.

Car has the original biodegradable harness.  CEL has been illuminated since he 
got the car, but it clears long enough to pass emissions.  There are a few 
spots were the insulation is gone, and the thing needs replaced.  I was 
wondering what replacement harness costs.  If it is reasonable, I would just 
get him one for his birthday.  He has enough idiots he lives with who can help 
him install


clay 

2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
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On Feb 28, 2016, at 5:25 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

> Well I have owned 140s for decades before poos did but have forgotten more 
> about them that poos knows. But anyway what are the problems exactly with the 
> windows?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 28, 2016, at 7:14 PM, clay via Mercedes  wrote:
>> 
>> This is a long distance mystery diagnosis/fix.
>> 
>> #1 boy has his 300SE in ND with windows that are misbehaving.  Erratic 
>> weather at the moment, so he is unwilling to dive in until deeper into 
>> Spring.  I have been able to figure out the switches are good.  When it is 
>> unzipped, we will know if the motor, regulator, or some wee part is making 
>> the window unhappy.
>> 
>> Dan, since you have vast knowledge of the W140 series.  What are the most 
>> probable causes that you have found?  Kid is hoping it is a simple Dorman 
>> part instead of needing to dig deep into the EPC.   Maybe Kaleb has window 
>> motors that he will part with, or should we look at just replacing the motor 
>> and using original gearing?  
>> 
>> Child is now investing far too much in heavy weaponry because he thinks a 
>> wire harness is thousands of $$$.  Is this a realistic view, or can a fresh 
>> Delco harness be found for a few hundred?   He had pulled a harness out of a 
>> 93 SE, but cut it short of the computer end.  Are they even compatible?
>> 
>> 
>> clay 
>> 
>> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
>> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
>> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
>> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
>> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
>> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] W140 winder woes

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Well I have owned 140s for decades before poos did but have forgotten more 
about them that poos knows. But anyway what are the problems exactly with the 
windows?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 28, 2016, at 7:14 PM, clay via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> This is a long distance mystery diagnosis/fix.
> 
> #1 boy has his 300SE in ND with windows that are misbehaving.  Erratic 
> weather at the moment, so he is unwilling to dive in until deeper into 
> Spring.  I have been able to figure out the switches are good.  When it is 
> unzipped, we will know if the motor, regulator, or some wee part is making 
> the window unhappy.
> 
> Dan, since you have vast knowledge of the W140 series.  What are the most 
> probable causes that you have found?  Kid is hoping it is a simple Dorman 
> part instead of needing to dig deep into the EPC.   Maybe Kaleb has window 
> motors that he will part with, or should we look at just replacing the motor 
> and using original gearing?  
> 
> Child is now investing far too much in heavy weaponry because he thinks a 
> wire harness is thousands of $$$.  Is this a realistic view, or can a fresh 
> Delco harness be found for a few hundred?   He had pulled a harness out of a 
> 93 SE, but cut it short of the computer end.  Are they even compatible?
> 
> 
> clay 
> 
> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] W140 ACC Mystery

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

I assume that on cool the condenser in front of the radiator is running hot as 
are the high pressure lines under the hood. 
When you leave it on cool, does the compressor cycle off and on more rapidly 
than usual (which might indicate blocked airflow through the evaporator.)? 
A guess would be that, since both heat and cold are inoperative, there is a 
problem, either electrical or mechanical, with the doors that allow airflow to 
the evaporator and heater coil.
If you can get the borescope up under the dash some way, you might be able to 
see what's going on.
Gerry

Dan wrote:

> I know there aren’t many folk here who are familiar with the W140, but I’m 
> desperate.
> 
> The 1998 S420 has been acting strangely.  Everything works in the ACC, such 
> as doors, fan speed, different modes, compressor, etc., but there is no 
> temperature change in the cabin.
> 
> That is, if you want heat you get ambient temperature.  If you want AC, you 
> get ambient temperature.  If you set the temperature, the fan and louvers all 
> do their thing, that is, when it’s trying to heat the air is directed to the 
> floor,  If you put it on defrost it blows on the windshield.  If you have it 
> on automatic the compressor will come on and the proper vents will have air 
> coming out of them if you crank the temperature settings down.  I also 
> checked AC pressures and temperatures and they’re spot on.  Duovalve works, 
> is not restricted, and the circulation pump runs and can be heard when called 
> on, as can the AC compressor.
> 
> The only thing I can figure is that there is a door of some kind on the air 
> distribution box that isn’t letting air flow through it.  I checked the fresh 
> air door in the cowl and it’s opening and closing as it’s supposed to, and 
> just to be sure I left the cover off the cowl to see if that might be 
> restricting air.  Nope.
> 
> It’s got me thoroughly stumped.  No DTCs, either.  It’s like there is no 
> input from either the evaporator or heater cores and just ambient air is 
> blowing through the system.
> 
> Help?
> 
> Dan
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Re: [MBZ] W140 ACC Mystery

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

So some controller electronic doohickey gacked or got confused? Some 
chip gave up the magic smoke?  You might need some electronic 
measurement tools, a scope or something?


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On 1/22/16 8:46 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Nope, the controllers are version coded.  I would have to find one then program 
it for my car.

It happened at once, and no, there is no KLIMA relay in these systems.

I have access to diagnostics and diagrams for everything.  I’m currently 
digging through them now.

Dan




On Jan 22, 2016, at 8:37 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
wrote:

Can you swap out the push button controller unit with a known good unit?
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Re: [MBZ] W140 ACC Mystery

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Nope, the controllers are version coded.  I would have to find one 
then program it for my car.


Uuug!Yuk!

Remind me not to buy a 140, (or newer) unless it is to junk it.



It happened at once, and no, there is no KLIMA relay in these systems.

I have access to diagnostics and diagrams for everything.  I'm 
currently digging through them now.


Dan

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Re: [MBZ] W140 ACC Mystery

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Its a POS

On 1/22/2016 6:53 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

I know there aren’t many folk here who are familiar with the W140, but I’m 
desperate.

The 1998 S420 has been acting strangely.  Everything works in the ACC, such as 
doors, fan speed, different modes, compressor, etc., but there is no 
temperature change in the cabin.

That is, if you want heat you get ambient temperature.  If you want AC, you get 
ambient temperature.  If you set the temperature, the fan and louvers all do 
their thing, that is, when it’s trying to heat the air is directed to the 
floor,  If you put it on defrost it blows on the windshield.  If you have it on 
automatic the compressor will come on and the proper vents will have air coming 
out of them if you crank the temperature settings down.  I also checked AC 
pressures and temperatures and they’re spot on.  Duovalve works, is not 
restricted, and the circulation pump runs and can be heard when called on, as 
can the AC compressor.

The only thing I can figure is that there is a door of some kind on the air 
distribution box that isn’t letting air flow through it.  I checked the fresh 
air door in the cowl and it’s opening and closing as it’s supposed to, and just 
to be sure I left the cover off the cowl to see if that might be restricting 
air.  Nope.

It’s got me thoroughly stumped.  No DTCs, either.  It’s like there is no input 
from either the evaporator or heater cores and just ambient air is blowing 
through the system.

Help?

Dan
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Re: [MBZ] W140 ACC Mystery

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

I know there aren't many folk here who are familiar with the W140, 
but I'm desperate.


The 1998 S420 has been acting strangely.  Everything works in the 
ACC, such as doors, fan speed, different modes, compressor, etc., 
but there is no temperature change in the cabin.


That is, if you want heat you get ambient temperature.  If you want 
AC, you get ambient temperature.  If you set the temperature, the 
fan and louvers all do their thing, that is, when it's trying to 
heat the air is directed to the floor,  If you put it on defrost it 
blows on the windshield.  If you have it on automatic the compressor 
will come on and the proper vents will have air coming out of them 
if you crank the temperature settings down.  I also checked AC 
pressures and temperatures and they're spot on.  Duovalve works, is 
not restricted, and the circulation pump runs and can be heard when 
called on, as can the AC compressor.


The only thing I can figure is that there is a door of some kind on 
the air distribution box that isn't letting air flow through it.  I 
checked the fresh air door in the cowl and it's opening and closing 
as it's supposed to, and just to be sure I left the cover off the 
cowl to see if that might be restricting air.  Nope.


It's got me thoroughly stumped.  No DTCs, either.  It's like there 
is no input from either the evaporator or heater cores and just 
ambient air is blowing through the system.


Help?

Dan


Did this happen all at once, or was it intermittent/separate time for 
heat/air cond.?  Does it have a Klima relay?


Can you find a schematic?

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Re: [MBZ] W140 ACC Mystery

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Helpful as always.


> On Jan 22, 2016, at 7:59 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Its a POS
> 
> On 1/22/2016 6:53 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> I know there aren’t many folk here who are familiar with the W140, but I’m 
>> desperate.
>> 
>> The 1998 S420 has been acting strangely.  Everything works in the ACC, such 
>> as doors, fan speed, different modes, compressor, etc., but there is no 
>> temperature change in the cabin.
>> 
>> That is, if you want heat you get ambient temperature.  If you want AC, you 
>> get ambient temperature.  If you set the temperature, the fan and louvers 
>> all do their thing, that is, when it’s trying to heat the air is directed to 
>> the floor,  If you put it on defrost it blows on the windshield.  If you 
>> have it on automatic the compressor will come on and the proper vents will 
>> have air coming out of them if you crank the temperature settings down.  I 
>> also checked AC pressures and temperatures and they’re spot on.  Duovalve 
>> works, is not restricted, and the circulation pump runs and can be heard 
>> when called on, as can the AC compressor.
>> 
>> The only thing I can figure is that there is a door of some kind on the air 
>> distribution box that isn’t letting air flow through it.  I checked the 
>> fresh air door in the cowl and it’s opening and closing as it’s supposed to, 
>> and just to be sure I left the cover off the cowl to see if that might be 
>> restricting air.  Nope.
>> 
>> It’s got me thoroughly stumped.  No DTCs, either.  It’s like there is no 
>> input from either the evaporator or heater cores and just ambient air is 
>> blowing through the system.
>> 
>> Help?
>> 
>> Dan
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Re: [MBZ] W140 ACC Mystery

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I do my best

On 1/22/2016 7:01 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Helpful as always.



On Jan 22, 2016, at 7:59 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:

Its a POS

On 1/22/2016 6:53 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

I know there aren’t many folk here who are familiar with the W140, but I’m 
desperate.

The 1998 S420 has been acting strangely.  Everything works in the ACC, such as 
doors, fan speed, different modes, compressor, etc., but there is no 
temperature change in the cabin.

That is, if you want heat you get ambient temperature.  If you want AC, you get 
ambient temperature.  If you set the temperature, the fan and louvers all do 
their thing, that is, when it’s trying to heat the air is directed to the 
floor,  If you put it on defrost it blows on the windshield.  If you have it on 
automatic the compressor will come on and the proper vents will have air coming 
out of them if you crank the temperature settings down.  I also checked AC 
pressures and temperatures and they’re spot on.  Duovalve works, is not 
restricted, and the circulation pump runs and can be heard when called on, as 
can the AC compressor.

The only thing I can figure is that there is a door of some kind on the air 
distribution box that isn’t letting air flow through it.  I checked the fresh 
air door in the cowl and it’s opening and closing as it’s supposed to, and just 
to be sure I left the cover off the cowl to see if that might be restricting 
air.  Nope.

It’s got me thoroughly stumped.  No DTCs, either.  It’s like there is no input 
from either the evaporator or heater cores and just ambient air is blowing 
through the system.

Help?

Dan
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Re: [MBZ] W140 ACC Mystery

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Fri, 22 Jan 2016 19:53:22 -0500 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
 wrote:

> I know there aren’t many folk here who are familiar with the W140, but
> I’m desperate.
> 
> The 1998 S420 has been acting strangely.  Everything works in the ACC,
> such as doors, fan speed, different modes, compressor, etc., but there
> is no temperature change in the cabin.
> 
> That is, if you want heat you get ambient temperature.  If you want AC,
> you get ambient temperature.  If you set the temperature, the fan and
> louvers all do their thing, that is, when it’s trying to heat the air
> is directed to the floor,  If you put it on defrost it blows on the
> windshield.  If you have it on automatic the compressor will come on
> and the proper vents will have air coming out of them if you crank the
> temperature settings down.  I also checked AC pressures and
> temperatures and they’re spot on.  Duovalve works, is not restricted,
> and the circulation pump runs and can be heard when called on, as can
> the AC compressor.

Can you get to the heater core and/or A/C evaporator? Is one hot and the
other cold?

Could you use a hot wire anemometer to see if there is air flowing
through each?


> It’s got me thoroughly stumped.

I'm sorry for your problems.


> No DTCs, either.

What's a DTC?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] W140 ACC Mystery

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> On Jan 22, 2016, at 8:05 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:

> Can you get to the heater core and/or A/C evaporator? Is one hot and the
> other cold?

Not easily, but by holding the lines entering and exiting the system, they’re 
hot and cold as expected.


> Could you use a hot wire anemometer to see if there is air flowing
> through each?

At this point, no.

> No DTCs, either.
> 
> What's a DTC?


Diagnostic trouble code.  The ACC panel has a full set of diagnostics and will 
record and display codes to identify faults in the system.  I haven’t run the 
diagnostics for the various temperature sensors, bt I don’t think they’ll tell 
me a lot.

Dan
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Re: [MBZ] W140 ACC Mystery

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Can you swap out the push button controller unit with a known good unit?
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300
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Re: [MBZ] W140 ACC Mystery

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Nope, the controllers are version coded.  I would have to find one then program 
it for my car.

It happened at once, and no, there is no KLIMA relay in these systems.

I have access to diagnostics and diagrams for everything.  I’m currently 
digging through them now.

Dan



> On Jan 22, 2016, at 8:37 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Can you swap out the push button controller unit with a known good unit?
> -- 
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> Charleston SC
> '87 300TD
> '95 E300
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Re: [MBZ] W140 Parts List

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

I probably need that.  I have not beat the brake 
disks off the used wheel carriers I got for 
POSitive.  I suspect I'll need that kit.  Maybe I 
can get one disk off tomorrow and find out for 
sure if the shoes and other guts are ok.



Here it is:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ucmkislxgl5uo4v/1995%20S500%20coupe%20parts.pdf?dl=0

PM me if there's something you want. Make me an 
offer, I'm not pricing this stuff.  Be 
reasonable and you'll probably get it, as I'm 
getting tired of storing this junk.


I also came across a parking brake rebuild kit 
(Mercedes) that looks like it's for a W124, but 
could work with other cars:


124 420 07 20

Still in the box, although the box has seen better daysŠ.

Dan


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Re: [MBZ] W140 Parts List

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Yes I would want to own it for sure. You have to be careful buying used 
ones though because half the time the people are selling tanks that are 
actually leased.


On 1/4/2016 5:10 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:
I probably need that.  I have not beat the brake disks off the used 
wheel carriers I got for POSitive.  I suspect I'll need that kit.  
Maybe I can get one disk off tomorrow and find out for sure if the 
shoes and other guts are ok.



Here it is:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ucmkislxgl5uo4v/1995%20S500%20coupe%20parts.pdf?dl=0 



PM me if there's something you want. Make me an offer, I'm not 
pricing this stuff.  Be reasonable and you'll probably get it, as I'm 
getting tired of storing this junk.


I also came across a parking brake rebuild kit (Mercedes) that looks 
like it's for a W124, but could work with other cars:


124 420 07 20

Still in the box, although the box has seen better daysŠ.

Dan


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Re: [MBZ] W140 rear door panel removal

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

A lot of people forego the rivets and use screws or nuts and bolts, so I hear. 
It's fairly easy to do, but removing and replacing the rivets is a simple task 
when necessary.

Mercedes must have gotten into the habit of doing this, as there are rivets 
holding bits of the doors together in my W220 as well. When I recently replaced 
the closing assist actuator in my driver's door I had to drill out and replace 
a couple of rivets that held a window channel support.

Dan

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On Oct 5, 2015, at 6:23 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes  
wrote:

>> Did you remove ALL of the screws behind the wood trim?
>> 
>> Good luck replacing the rivets.  If you use rivets, you better have a BIG 
>> rivet tool, as they are near impossible to get the shanks to break off with 
>> a little hand pop rivet too.  I bought a big honking one fro under $20 at HF 
>> and it deals with the larger rivets like buttah.
>> 
>> Dan BTDT
> 
> Different chassis type, but I used solid steel rivets, and "riveted" them 
> with the air chisel with a blunt chisel that was originally round and sharp.  
> It is still holding.  I didn't have enough hands to hold everything in place 
> and then rivet with a hammer and a heavy backstop.   the air chisel  blunted 
> them enough to stay in.
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Re: [MBZ] W140 rear door panel removal

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

ARGH!

There are two screws behind the wood trim panel, the top one isn't very visible.

It will NOT come apart if it's screwed to the door. 

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Re: [MBZ] W140 rear door panel removal

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Did you remove ALL of the screws behind the wood trim?

Good luck replacing the rivets.  If you use rivets, you better have a BIG rivet 
tool, as they are near impossible to get the shanks to break off with a little 
hand pop rivet too.  I bought a big honking one fro under $20 at HF and it 
deals with the larger rivets like buttah.

Dan BTDT


> On Oct 5, 2015, at 4:16 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 1997 S420 LWB. 
> Got my new window regulator in the mail today. 
> 
> Was following a .pdf of the rear door panel removal, everything going along 
> fine
> until I get to the part where I lift it off, starting at the front. 
> It lifts easily at the back, but something in the area of the door handle
> linkage prevents it from lifting at the front, so I can't get it up over the
> lock button. 
> 
> Any suggestions?
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Re: [MBZ] W140 rear door panel removal

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

ARGH!

There are two screws behind the wood trim panel, the top one isn't 
very visible.


It will NOT come apart if it's screwed to the door.

_


It will if you yank hard enough!

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Re: [MBZ] W140 rear door panel removal

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Did you remove ALL of the screws behind the wood trim?

Good luck replacing the rivets.  If you use rivets, you better have 
a BIG rivet tool, as they are near impossible to get the shanks to 
break off with a little hand pop rivet too.  I bought a big honking 
one fro under $20 at HF and it deals with the larger rivets like 
buttah.


Dan BTDT


Different chassis type, but I used solid steel rivets, and "riveted" 
them with the air chisel with a blunt chisel that was originally 
round and sharp.  It is still holding.  I didn't have enough hands to 
hold everything in place and then rivet with a hammer and a heavy 
backstop.   the air chisel  blunted them enough to stay in.


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Re: [MBZ] W140 trunk lock stuck

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Turn key to the left and pull up really hard on the trunk lid.  Try it with the 
key turned let and the key/cylinder pushed in, too.

Dan

 On Aug 27, 2015, at 11:10 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 1997 S420
 
 So, this morning I pushed in the plunger to open the trunk with the car 
 locked.
 Nothing happened because the trunk was locked. 
 
 Then I hit the button on the key fob, the green light flashed, I hit the 
 plunger
 again, possibly while
 the lock mechanism was in motion. The trunk didn't open. 
 
 I locked and unlocked the trunk with the key.
 Still won't open. 
 
 I locked and unlocked the car with the fob.
 Trunk still won't open. 
 
 How do I reset the trunk latch so I can open the trunk?
 
 Mitch. 
 
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Re: [MBZ] W140 trunk lock stuck

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Uh, oh.

Wilton

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Subject: [MBZ] W140 trunk lock stuck



1997 S420

So, this morning I pushed in the plunger to open the trunk with the car 
locked.

Nothing happened because the trunk was locked.

Then I hit the button on the key fob, the green light flashed, I hit the 
plunger

again, possibly while
the lock mechanism was in motion. The trunk didn't open.

I locked and unlocked the trunk with the key.
Still won't open.

I locked and unlocked the car with the fob.
Trunk still won't open.

How do I reset the trunk latch so I can open the trunk?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] W140 trunk lock stuck

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

No joy.
Then I got in the car to drive home, saw the switch on the dash, hit it and the
trunk lid rose. 
Got out, shut it, and it opened by pushing the cylinder in. 

Possible lingering problem: I thought the lock cylinder was flush with the
surrounding plastic.
Now it's recessed about 1/4

Mitch. 

 On August 27, 2015 at 11:16 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
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 Turn key to the left and pull up really hard on the trunk lid.  Try it with
 the key turned let and the key/cylinder pushed in, too.

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Re: [MBZ] W140 trunk lock stuck

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Duh!  Forgot about suggesting the dash switch.

Yeah, that ain’t right.  It should be flush.

Something’s up with the cylinder or latch.

Dan


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 No joy.
 Then I got in the car to drive home, saw the switch on the dash, hit it and 
 the
 trunk lid rose. 
 Got out, shut it, and it opened by pushing the cylinder in. 
 
 Possible lingering problem: I thought the lock cylinder was flush with the
 surrounding plastic.
 Now it's recessed about 1/4
 
 Mitch. 


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