Re: [uf-discuss] CFP microformat?

2006-05-20 Thread Tantek Çelik
, Tantek Çelik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Mike, While this is starting to feel less like a general (80%) and more like a vertical (20%) application/use case, having had to deal with CFPs myself, I'm certainly sympathetic. I'd say to start with, compile a list of URLs to examples of CFPs

Re: [uf-discuss] CFP microformat?

2006-05-19 Thread Tantek Çelik
Hi Mike, While this is starting to feel less like a general (80%) and more like a vertical (20%) application/use case, having had to deal with CFPs myself, I'm certainly sympathetic. I'd say to start with, compile a list of URLs to examples of CFPs on the web so we can start to document the

Re: [uf-discuss] Annotations/Footnotes

2006-05-12 Thread Tantek Çelik
I believe that Håkon Wium Lie has also looked into footnotes markup quite a bit, as part of his work on a book microformat, AKA boom. http://microformats.org/wiki/book-examples Tantek On 5/12/06 8:36 AM, Scott Reynen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On May 12, 2006, at 9:53 AM, Paul Bryson wrote:

Re: [uf-discuss] Microformats Article

2006-05-11 Thread Tantek Çelik
Phil, This is one of the best articles on microformats written to date. I've added it to the press page: http://microformats.org/wiki/press I found only a couple of typos. On page 3: http://www.devsource.com/article2/0,1895,1961109,00.asp 1. ; instead of , N:Haack,Phil Should be:

[uf-discuss] hCard authoring review and feedback - try it out!

2006-05-10 Thread Tantek Çelik
All: I started writing this this past March when Robert Bachmann was helping with adding hCard markup to existing conference web pages: http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-authoring This document is specifically written for web designers, web authors, who themselves know anywhere from enough

Re: [uf-discuss] AIM Pages (the one with the widget microformat) Launched

2006-05-10 Thread Tantek Çelik
Kevin, Congratulations on the launch of your beta! What microformats do AIM pages support? It certainly seems like a natural fit for hCard and XFN. Thanks, Tantek On 5/10/06 1:47 PM, Kevin Lawver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ooops. http://www.aimpages.com It's a first beta (and I do mean

Re: [uf-discuss] AIM Pages (the one with the widget microformat) Launched

2006-05-10 Thread Tantek Çelik
microformat they want. We're definitely planning on adding hcard and XFN, and later on, hAtom and probably hListing when it gets a little farther along. Cheers, Kevin Tantek Çelik wrote: Kevin, Congratulations on the launch of your beta! What microformats do AIM pages support

Re: [uf-discuss] awesome examples of microformats, faqs

2006-05-08 Thread Tantek Çelik
I've split this half of Chris's message into a separate thread because I think he raises some good points. On 5/8/06 12:29 AM, Chris Messina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think it's really time that we started having some awesome examples of microformats in use. Chris, check out the

Re: [uf-discuss] meeting minutes: microformats needed?

2006-05-03 Thread Tantek Çelik
Welcome brush! As someone who has typed up (and published) *numerous) meeting minutes himself, I certainly recognize that this could be a useful microformat. Regarding creating a new microformat, please read the following pages thoroughly: http://microformats.org/wiki/process

Re: [uf-discuss] meeting minutes: microformats needed?

2006-05-03 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 5/3/06 5:29 AM, Scott Reynen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On May 3, 2006, at 6:31 AM, Edward Summers wrote: On May 3, 2006, at 5:29 AM, brush wrote: *new microformat?: hparticipants (multiple hcards plus class=role) -- could be useful in many other circumstances If a role could somehow

Re: [uf-discuss] Wiki

2006-05-03 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 5/3/06 4:37 AM, Rémi Prévost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thibaud Elzière wrote: Hello Everybody, I am new to the list and very interesting in eveything concerning micro-format. I would like to translate some missing parts of the wiki in french but I am unable to create a new account via

Re: Language Maps [was RE: [uf-discuss] Microformats vs XML]

2006-05-03 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 5/2/06 12:33 AM, Joe Andrieu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The idea of mapping between languages however is not as crazy or hard as some of you think. Joe, that may be, but figuring out and documenting mappings between natural languages is a linguistics research topic far outside the focus of

Re: [uf-discuss] meeting minutes: microformats needed?

2006-05-03 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 5/3/06 11:43 AM, brush [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: thanks, tantek and others. i will go ahead and start the wiki process with some of the research i've done already, and will invite you to join me! one thought about role: is it appropriate to re-engineer the category from what is

Re: [uf-discuss] meeting minutes: microformats needed?

2006-05-03 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 5/3/06 12:19 PM, Scott Reynen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On May 3, 2006, at 1:43 PM, brush wrote: one thought about role: is it appropriate to re-engineer the category from what is apparently originally intended as a relatively static feature (ie. sales engineer for a person or green

Re: [uf-discuss] Re: Wiki

2006-05-03 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 5/3/06 1:19 PM, Thibaud Elzière [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, The url scheme for localized page seems to be : title-language were language is the 2 characters language code. Correct. It is used for the Spanish translation however -sp is used whereas -es would have been better

Re: [uf-discuss] Re: Wiki

2006-05-03 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 5/3/06 6:06 PM, Rémi Prévost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, I understand. I have another question related to multi-lingual content. For example, there's a naming convention that says XMDP profile pages for microformat specs should be named with the name of the spec, followed by -profile. But

Re: Language Maps [was RE: [uf-discuss] Microformats vs XML]

2006-05-01 Thread Tantek Çelik
Steven, Interesting document, but it appears to only address languages in *content*, rather than in the markup itself. Though the document refers to Language Tags, AFAIK, those are tags in the content (similar to rel-tag perhaps), rather than angle-bracketed tags. If I have misread the

Re: Language Maps [was RE: [uf-discuss] Microformats vs XML]

2006-05-01 Thread Tantek Çelik
Ryan, This is an excellent description of the larger problem (that goes far beyond, and is perhaps independent of microformats). I'd say this is worthy of an FAQ entry, as I can see this question being raised again (I believe Karl himself raised it some time ago before). Thanks, Tantek On

Re: [uf-discuss] Extracting N from hCard (was: Citation Straw Proposal II)

2006-05-01 Thread Tantek Çelik
Brian is correct. In addition, semantically the author isn't just a *name*, the author is a *person*, and the microformat for a person is hCard. That's why we are using hCard there. If however, you wanted to reuse fn for the name of the work being cited, I could see a case being made for

Re: Language Maps [was RE: [uf-discuss] Microformats vs XML]

2006-05-01 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 5/1/06 3:27 PM, Karl Dubost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Le 06-05-02 à 03:24, Ryan King a écrit : Internationalization in protocols and formats is a big problem. Much bigger than microformats. Maybe we'll be able to advance things in microformats, even if only a little. I'm curious­ has

Re: [uf-discuss] Extracting N from hCard (was: Citation Straw Proposal II)

2006-05-01 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 5/1/06 5:49 PM, Karl Dubost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Le 06-05-02 à 08:50, Tantek Çelik a écrit : div class=citation span class=fnThe Book of Ryan/span span class=author vcard span class=fnRyan Cannon/span /span /div Is there a reason for not using the - cite

Re: [uf-discuss] Microformats vs XML, redundancy

2006-04-27 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 4/26/06 10:52 PM, Steven Livingstone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: not sure where the redundancy comes from - you use what you want. The redundancy in XML (and other formats as well) comes from the fact that an element can have only one element name. Since microformats use attributes which take

Re: uid microformats? (was Re: [uf-discuss] ISBN mark-up)

2006-04-26 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 4/25/06 10:13 PM, Joe Andrieu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello. I'm new to microformats and a bit confused on how one disambiguates microformat names. It seems to be somewhat related to the UID/URI issue. Welcome Joe! I'm not sure I understand all of the subtleties between the spec

Re: uid microformats? (was Re: [uf-discuss] ISBN mark-up)

2006-04-26 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 4/25/06 8:04 PM, Edward Summers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 25, 2006, at 6:47 PM, Bruce D'Arcus wrote: FWIW, I like Xiaoming's suggestion. I'm glad Xiaoming expressed the case for URI so well. Me too. I just added it to the uid-brainstorming [1] page. I have to admit I've seen

Re: uid microformats? (was Re: [uf-discuss] ISBN mark-up)

2006-04-26 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 4/26/06 9:27 AM, Scott Reynen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 26, 2006, at 10:44 AM, Tantek Çelik wrote: Ross, if the problem you're trying to solve doesn't involve common real world publishing cases on the *Web*, then yes, it should be dismissed as far as microformats are concerned

Re: uid microformats? (was Re: [uf-discuss] ISBN mark-up)

2006-04-25 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 4/24/06 7:56 PM, Etan Wexler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Third, I actually see disadvantages in using URIs as a basic unit rather than URLs. All URLs are URIs. What have I missed? The opposite. The fact that not all URIs are URLs. That's the point. You can infer things about a URL in

Re: [uf-discuss] ISBN mark-up

2006-04-25 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 4/24/06 8:09 PM, Benjamin Carlyle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 2006-04-24 at 23:39 +0100, Andy Mabbett wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Alf Eaton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes How would you see that sitting inside HTML mark-up? abbr class=uri title=urn:isbn:09507881200 9507881-2-0/abbr

Re: [uf-discuss] uid microformats?

2006-04-25 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 4/24/06 7:50 PM, Etan Wexler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tantek Çelik wrote to the Microformats Discuss mailing list on 2006-04-19 in a message with a title like ³[uf-discuss] UID, URL, live microformats (was: Microformat auto-discovery WAS: Plazes Microformats)² (mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: uid microformats? (was Re: [uf-discuss] ISBN mark-up)

2006-04-25 Thread Tantek Çelik
First of all, Welcome Xiaoming Liu! On 4/25/06 8:19 AM, Xiaoming Liu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 25 Apr 2006, Ryan King wrote: URLs, if used propertly can be sufficient for globalby unique identifier[s]. Sure, you can mess things up by using a non-routeable address or scheme, but

Re: uid microformats? (was Re: [uf-discuss] ISBN mark-up)

2006-04-25 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 4/25/06 12:01 PM, Xiaoming Liu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 25 Apr 2006, Tantek Çelik wrote: Please list the specific problems you've found with UID or URL, so we can make sure they are documented and properly explored/resolved. Thanks for taking into consideration. First

Re: uid microformats? (was Re: [uf-discuss] ISBN mark-up)

2006-04-25 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 4/25/06 2:41 PM, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tantek Çelik [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes I think the case for ISBN is no big difference from telephone number or zip code, etc. The average person knows, understands, and uses telephone numbers and zip

Re: [uf-discuss] ISBN mark-up

2006-04-25 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 4/25/06 2:38 PM, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tantek Çelik [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes I'm very concerned that that may be an abuse of abbr; and wonder how it will sound when read to someone using assistive software? This is a common misconception[1

Re: uid microformats? (was Re: [uf-discuss] ISBN mark-up)

2006-04-25 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 4/25/06 3:04 PM, Ross Singer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tantek, Your responses and your reply about 'letting the market decide' what gets to survive on the web makes me think that your attitude about microformats is: Microformats are for commercial-purposes first and foremost. Not

Re: uid microformats? (was Re: [uf-discuss] ISBN mark-up)

2006-04-25 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 4/25/06 1:35 PM, Scott Reynen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 25, 2006, Tantek Çelik wrote: We *want* resources that can be identified by network location and thus a system that shows a bias *for* that is a *good* thing. Is the proposal that UIDs SHOULD be URLs or UIDs MUST be URLs

Re: uid microformats? (was Re: [uf-discuss] ISBN mark-up)

2006-04-25 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 4/25/06 3:25 PM, Xiaoming Liu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 25 Apr 2006, Tantek Çelik wrote: ISO8601 is fairly well accepted. The battle is over. So we pick the current winner and go with it. Whereas, as you point out, the market for abstract ids, whether ISBN, pubmed

Re: uid microformats? (was Re: [uf-discuss] ISBN mark-up)

2006-04-25 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 4/25/06 4:47 PM, Bruce D'Arcus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FWIW, I like Xiaoming's suggestion. Cool. Please add that comment (with your name/WikiAlias) to Xiaoming's proposal on the uid-brainstorming page. Thanks, Tantek ___ microformats-discuss

Re: uid microformats? (was Re: [uf-discuss] ISBN mark-up)

2006-04-24 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 4/24/06 7:42 AM, Bruce D'Arcus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/21/06, Tantek Çelik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just as we extracted geo and adr from hCard to address the use cases brought up the Geo community for a simple format for locations, perhaps we can extract uid from hCard

Re: [uf-discuss] hCalendar - every week event

2006-04-24 Thread Tantek Çelik
Welcome Danilo! Could you provide a URL to the page you are rebuilding or to your rebuild in progress so we could take a look at how you're publishing the information now? Thanks, Tantek On 4/24/06 1:23 PM, Danilo Laurindo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey guys, I'm a bit of a starter in

Re: [uf-discuss] ISBN mark-up

2006-04-24 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 4/24/06 3:39 PM, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Alf Eaton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes How would you see that sitting inside HTML mark-up? abbr class=uri title=urn:isbn:09507881200 9507881-2-0/abbr Thank you. I'm very concerned that that may be an

Re: validating microformats (was Re: [uf-discuss] Google Gdata new syndication protocol!)

2006-04-22 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 4/21/06 7:18 PM, Luke Arno [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mark P. is on the right track here as usual, I think. Yes. What has been glossed over in this convo is that underlying the discomfort that has been expressed on the validation front here is this: Sure you can validate a microformat

uid microformats? (was Re: [uf-discuss] ISBN mark-up)

2006-04-21 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 4/21/06 10:08 AM, Edward Summers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 21, 2006, at 8:08 AM, Andy Mabbett wrote: Perhaps not a microformat, in the sense used here, but I feel that there should be some way (or is there already?) for marking up an ISBN number, so that it is recognisable as such.

Re: [uf-discuss] Chris Messina's hcard

2006-04-20 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 4/20/06 9:06 AM, Chris Messina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alright, I've added 'n' next to 'fn' since I broke up my name. Whether it's really necessarily (and useful) or just something that the previous spec called for is still up for interpretation... Perhaps I should add this to the FAQ (or

validating microformats (was Re: [uf-discuss] Google Gdata new syndication protocol!)

2006-04-20 Thread Tantek Çelik
Redirecting to microformats-dev... On 4/20/06 12:25 PM, Bruce D'Arcus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Call me sceptical. Dedicated XML formats (like Atom) that can be validated with standard XML tools Bruce, you're absolutely right about the value of validation. Definitely an area where we have

Re: [uf-discuss] Microformats for Mobile

2006-04-20 Thread Tantek Çelik
Sam, in short yes. XHTML Basic supports the class attribute: http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml-basic/#s1.3.1 The div and span elements and the class attribute are supported... Thanks, Tantek On 4/20/06 5:05 AM, Sam Sethi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Will Microformats work on a Mobile platform? Has

Re: [uf-discuss] MicroID anyone?

2006-04-19 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 4/19/06 10:59 AM, Ryan King [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 18, 2006, at 6:49 PM, Sam Sethi wrote: Thanks Eran. Also lots of back reading to do ;-) But one more quick question do you have a pointer to the topic on why hcard's are class=vcard and not class=hcard? In fact why the

Re: [uf-discuss] Plazes Microformats

2006-04-19 Thread Tantek Çelik
David, it appears you may have missed my email from this morning: [uf-discuss] UID, URL, live microformats (was: Microformat auto-discovery WAS: Plazes Microformats) http://microformats.org/discuss/mail/microformats-discuss/2006-April/003726 .html In short, we don't want a vocabulary explosion

collapsing root class names with property names (was Re: [uf-discuss] Plazes Microformats)

2006-04-19 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 4/19/06 1:57 PM, David Janes -- BlogMatrix [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ryan King wrote: This is great place to continue this debate. The issue (as I understand it) is that this optimization doesn't allow nested vcards: span class=vcard fn[SPAM-DATA]/span This would still be a problem

Re: [uf-discuss] hcard validation

2006-04-18 Thread Tantek Çelik
Welcome Aaron! On 4/18/06 12:23 AM, Aaron R. Fulkerson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I¹ve searched about and have been unable to find a). a validator There is no general/complete hCard validator yet, though Brian Suda's excellent X2V processor does provide warnings and errors for common mistakes.

Re: [uf-discuss] Citation IRC Meet-up Time

2006-04-10 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 4/9/06 3:53 PM, Alf Eaton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At the end of the meeting I agreed to make a new wiki page that summarised the previous discussion and had some examples that could be a basis for further progress. Here's the page - feel free to edit, particular with extending the

Re: [uf-discuss] Citation IRC Meet-up Time

2006-04-10 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 4/10/06 7:13 AM, Alf Eaton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10 Apr 2006, at 03:40, Tantek Çelik wrote: On 4/9/06 3:53 PM, Alf Eaton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At the end of the meeting I agreed to make a new wiki page that summarised the previous discussion and had some examples that could

Re: [uf-discuss] What does draft mean? (was: Citation IRC Meet-up Time)

2006-04-10 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 4/10/06 9:01 AM, Scott Reynen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 10, 2006, at 10:09 AM, Tantek Çelik wrote: Alf, it is premature to be making recommendations when the necessary steps in the process have not yet been completed. More on the wiki page itself. I read the wiki page itself

Re: [uf-discuss] Citation IRC Meet-up Time

2006-04-10 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 4/10/06 8:13 AM, Alf Eaton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10 Apr 2006, at 11:09, Tantek Çelik wrote: On 4/10/06 7:13 AM, Alf Eaton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10 Apr 2006, at 03:40, Tantek Çelik wrote: On 4/9/06 3:53 PM, Alf Eaton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At the end

Re: [uf-discuss] What does draft mean? (was: Citation IRC Meet-up Time)

2006-04-10 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 4/10/06 11:37 AM, Scott Reynen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When someone looks at the hcard pages and sees no collection of real-world publishing of contact data nor discussion of the properties implied by such examples, I think it's far too easy to infer that microformats come from other

Re: [uf-discuss] Updating the blog People page

2006-04-08 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 4/8/06 7:32 PM, Chris Messina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Seems the People page is out of date... http://microformats.org/about/people/ Should that be updated? Good question. The right thing to do might be to simply capture the fact that it represented the state of that information when

Re: [uf-discuss] Perfect app to convert to support microformats

2006-04-08 Thread Tantek Çelik
Great find Chris! This would be a perfect request for the LazyWeb section of /wiki/to-do Thanks, Tantek On 4/8/06 7:58 PM, Chris Messina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Uses your Apple Address Book and turns it into the source of data for a web server...

Re: [uf-discuss] very simple microformat for URIs

2006-04-05 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 4/5/06 2:19 PM, Alf Eaton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 05 Apr 2006, at 17:14, David Janes -- BlogMatrix wrote: Alf Eaton wrote: At the moment, microformatted URIs are generally marked up in the href attribute of an a tag with a class of 'url' (hreview, hcard) or 'email' (hcard). This

Re: [uf-discuss] very simple microformat for URIs

2006-04-05 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 4/5/06 2:31 PM, Alf Eaton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 05 Apr 2006, at 17:24, Tantek Çelik wrote: On 4/5/06 2:19 PM, Alf Eaton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 05 Apr 2006, at 17:14, David Janes -- BlogMatrix wrote: Alf Eaton wrote: At the moment, microformatted URIs are generally

Re: [uf-discuss] very simple microformat for URIs

2006-04-05 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 4/5/06 3:03 PM, Alf Eaton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 05 Apr 2006, at 17:44, brian suda wrote: In hCard you can do either of the following to represent a URL a href=http://example.org; class=urlMy homepage/a or span class=urlhttp://example.org/span Could you also do abbr

Re: [uf-discuss] Need for an MF styleguide

2006-04-05 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 4/5/06 6:23 PM, Chris Messina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Saw a discussion about XHTML styleguides... I think we need something equally digestible for publishers... that makes it super super simple to get and apply microformats... Tara and I discussed this as a Dummy's Guide but I think a

[uf-discuss] microformats podcasts index now on wiki

2006-04-02 Thread Tantek Çelik
Greetings, Since there have been several recent podcasts where microformats have been discussed, I've created a page on the wiki to keep track of them (similar to the presentations page) http://microformats.org/wiki/podcasts Please check it out, have a listen to the listed podcasts. The page

Re: [uf-discuss] Format-of-Formats?

2006-03-30 Thread Tantek Çelik
Chris, The perceived value that you see is exactly why this whole topic is such a massive trap. It is very seductive (especially to programmers) to think that you can define a format for formats (a meta-format shall we say), *once*, then implement *only that*, then have every specific format

Re: [uf-discuss] Dreamweaver implementation

2006-03-18 Thread Tantek Çelik
Hi Drew! On 3/18/06 3:39 AM, Drew McLellan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone seen any third-party microformat support for Dreamweaver? I've done a bit of searching and can't find any reference to actual implementations. I don't know of any either. If there's nothing out there I'll see if

Re: [uf-discuss] Biography microformat?

2006-03-13 Thread Tantek Çelik
Welcome Breton! On 3/13/06 5:21 AM, Breton Blake Slivka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To be clear at the start, this message is not a proposal for a new format. (Well not yet anyway) I am gearing up to do the redesign for an art gallery's website. I am considering making heavy use of

[uf-discuss] Microformats Implementations details/taxonomy for hCalendar (to start with)

2006-03-09 Thread Tantek Çelik
In an attempt to make it easier for folks to find particular types of implementations for each microformat, I have organized the Implementations section of the hCalendar specification into what feels like a decent best first guess at categories of implementations that people may be interested in

Re: [uf-discuss] Microformat Question

2006-03-08 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 3/8/06 7:42 AM, Paul Kinlan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I have created an account and I will wait to see what happens from there. Welcome Paul! David/Scott, I think your right, I should research it a bit more to a) see if it has been done before and b) how other people do it and c) if

Re: [uf-discuss] Product Data Microformat

2006-03-05 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 3/5/06 6:08 PM, David Beach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think XML could be sufficient. But if it is, then why hasn't any of this been done? Indeed, it's been tried, but more with idealistic formats that attempt to capture all information about something, rather than empirically based 80/20

Re: [uf-discuss] proposed geo syntax addition (affects hCard) Re: [microformats-discuss] adr and geo microformats finally written up

2006-03-04 Thread Tantek Çelik
Hi Brian, On 3/4/06 8:02 AM, Brian Suda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just had two immediate thoughts, none of whick really effect this idea, i just wanted to get them out there documented. 1) The current GEO property has to have sub-properties of class=latitude and class=logitude this is

[uf-discuss] Call for microformats folks attending/demoing at ETech and SXSW!

2006-02-27 Thread Tantek Çelik
Greetings, There are several microformats related sessions at upcoming conferences documented here: http://microformats.org/wiki/events In particular I want to call your attention to ETech and SXSW sessions on microformats: http://microformats.org/wiki/events/2006-03-07-etech-microformats

Re: [uf-discuss] Call for microformats folks attending/demoing at ETech and SXSW!

2006-02-27 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 2/27/06 1:56 AM, Factory Joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah yeah, totally down for a mF Mashpit @ either Etech or SXSW. I'm busyish this week, but if folks are interested, ping me and let me know and we'll get something going. I've created two pages to get these kicked off. pw to edit the

Re: [uf-discuss] Product Data Microformat

2006-02-27 Thread Tantek Çelik
Hi Chris, On 2/27/06 1:59 AM, Chris Roos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David Beach wrote: I'm David Beach. I work for Yahoo! in Yahoo! Shopping. I'm interested in creating a microformat for product information. It's possible that this could be very useful for merchants, manufacturers, and

[uf-discuss] hAtom - ready for 0.1?

2006-02-27 Thread Tantek Çelik
I've been watching eagerly as hAtom has been refined quite nicely by everyone's excellent discussions and Ryan King's and David Janes' hard work in updating the wiki accordingly. I think it is looking quite good. http://microformats.org/wiki/hatom I haven't yet completed adding it to my blog

Re: [uf-discuss] REMINDER: hCalendar IRC meetup tomorrow/today

2006-02-25 Thread Tantek Çelik
(it was a markup example). I'll go fix it. But you'll find more info in the notes and the IRC discussion. Thanks, Tantek On 2/25/06, Tantek Çelik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Mark, Please make sure that any hCalendar issues that you know of are documented on the hcalendar-issues page sufficiently

[uf-discuss] hReview 0.3 drafted

2006-02-23 Thread Tantek Çelik
Greetings, I've taken the changes proposed and accepted for hReview 0.3 from the review-brainstorming page and incorporated them into hReview: http://microformats.org/wiki/hreview Please take a look and review (so to speak). Follow-up to the list with any errors / omissions / feedback /

Re: [uf-discuss] hlisting discussion Wednesday night

2006-02-23 Thread Tantek Çelik
on hListing. We have folks from Oodle, Edgeio, Technorati, CommerceNet, and independent developer Assaf Arkin all participated in a heated but productive discussion. Here are some collaboratively taken (props to SubethaEdit) rough notes: hListing meeting notes Attendees Tantek Çelik - Technorati Ryan

[uf-discuss] object include pattern documented

2006-02-22 Thread Tantek Çelik
During yesterday's f2f at mashupcamp meeting where we discussed the finalization/resolution of outstanding issues for hAtom, hResume, hReview 0.3, it became apparent that the include technique we came up with for hResume had utility in at least hReview and hAtom as well, and possibly other

Re: [uf-discuss] spec interpretation question with hCalendar attr element example

2006-02-20 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 2/20/06 2:10 AM, Mark Mansour [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi again, Hi Mark! Although there is a hCalendar meetup on Friday/Saturday on IRC (plug, plug - see a recent post) I had a general question to ask here first that can be highlighted with a specific example.. My general question

Re: [uf-discuss] Re: one citation microformat use case (Michael McCracken)

2006-02-14 Thread Tantek Çelik
In short, most of these questions/suppositions are answered/discussed the following wiki pages. http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats http://microformats.org/wiki/distributed-conversation http://microformats.org/wiki/citation On 2/14/06 6:43 AM, David Osolkowski [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [uf-discuss] one citation microformat use case

2006-02-14 Thread Tantek Çelik
Welcome Michael! On 2/10/06 7:25 PM, Michael McCracken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I just found the recent conversations about a citation microformat, and saw that the discussion slowed down around the same time someone asked about what problem we're solving. The conversation is still

Re: [uf-discuss] hresume draft

2006-02-13 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 2/13/06 1:08 AM, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ryan King [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes 2) the resultant hCards contain out-of-date information, with a person identified under a job title they no longer hold (except possibly the most recent experience).

Re: [uf-discuss] hresume draft

2006-02-13 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 2/13/06 7:59 AM, Scott Reynen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 10, 2006, at 1:25 PM, Tantek Çelik wrote: Again, because he is no longer has that title and org (i.e. former), I don't think it is appropriate to mark it up as such, because by doing so, you are claiming it to be a currently

Re: [uf-discuss] W3C Content Label XG

2006-02-10 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 2/10/06 10:03 AM, Paul Denning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: fyi, [1] http://www.w3.org/2006/02/incubator-pressrelease Microformats came to mind when I read about this XG. Indeed. I remember this when it happened. Frankly, I think we're incubating microformats just fine out in the open

Re: [uf-discuss] Massive use of hCard - need validation and discussion

2006-02-10 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 2/10/06 11:01 AM, B.K. DeLong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, being the OCD developer I am, join the club. :) I marked up a recent blog posting with hCard - quite a lot of hCard - and need some assistance checking if it validates. Ignore the political content and please help me examine

[uf-discuss] thought: weekly microformats meetups

2006-02-10 Thread Tantek Çelik
Last year we held semi-irregular microformats dinners which helped introduce a lot of folks to microformats, and provide an open forum where folks could come to learn, to get questions answered, share ideas etc., in a more personable setting than irc/email/wiki, and helped get a lot of

Re: [uf-discuss] Massive use of hCard - need validation and discussion

2006-02-10 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 2/10/06 12:51 PM, Ian Hickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there really any point in hcarding things that have no contact information? Absolutely. A smarter browser could detect these people and organizations mentioned in pages, and perhaps connect them with entries *you already have* in

Re: [uf-discuss] thought: weekly microformats meetups

2006-02-10 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 2/10/06 12:57 PM, David Janes -- BlogMatrix [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tantek Çelik wrote: My first thought is early Monday evenings like 5-6pm pacific time. We could also try one on 2/13 and see how it goes. 2/20 is during MashupCamp, but I think enough microformatters

Re: wiki-thon? Re: [uf-discuss] Microformats.org usability review

2006-02-09 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 2/8/06 3:44 PM, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Carl Beeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes One of the potholes is in my opinion the little intro text on the home page: What are microformats Designed for humans first and machines second, Note - the notion

Re: [uf-discuss] Signalling use of microformats?

2006-02-09 Thread Tantek Çelik
Brian, could you add this to the FAQ? http://microformats.org/wiki/faq Thanks, Tantek On 2/9/06 7:06 AM, brian suda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The HTML HEAD Profile attribute alerts applications to the potential presence of microformats.[1,2] -brian [1] - http://www.gmpg.org/xmdp/ [2]

Re: [uf-discuss] Signalling use of microformats?

2006-02-09 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 2/9/06 4:04 PM, Scott Reynen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 9, 2006, at 4:55 PM, Ryan King wrote: On Feb 9, 2006, at 2:45 PM, Andy Mabbett wrote: meta name=microformats content=tag hAtom xFolk / Ironically, this is exactly the sort of thing microformats are against using-

Re: [uf-discuss] Signalling use of microformats?

2006-02-09 Thread Tantek Çelik
Welcome Patrick! On 2/9/06 12:56 PM, Patrick Tufts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Angus McIntyre wrote: Obviously, a robot would be free to scan any page to see if it contained content in a format it's interested in, but a 'hint' of this kind might allow the robot to prioritise processing of pages

Re: [uf-discuss] XMDP Definitions

2006-02-09 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 2/9/06 8:35 PM, Ryan Cannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The XMDP Spec says very little about the content of descriptions. Actually, it's quite explicit, see below. Can a term be defined with both a text description and an explicit list of properties? Yes. If so, should this be marked

Re: [uf-discuss] SxSW people's choice awards

2006-02-08 Thread Tantek Çelik
-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss -- Tantek Çelik Chief Technologist, Technorati, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] +1.415.254.9656 mobile ___ microformats-discuss mailing list

Re: [uf-discuss] hCalendar test cases and parser

2006-02-07 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 2/7/06 5:53 AM, Mark Mansour [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi folks, I've made my test cases for hCalendar publicly available. For more details please read my blog entry http://www.lifelint.com/blog/ To try out the service go to http://www.lifelint.net/ I look forward to your feedback

[uf-discuss] Call to action: blog related microformats: hAtom, blog-info, blog-description

2006-02-04 Thread Tantek Çelik
1. hAtom for syndicated content There has been tremendous progress made on hAtom thanks to everyone's tireless efforts, in particular DavidJanes and Ryan King. The draft is looking pretty good, and the issues document has been cleaned up a lot. I encourage everyone who is interested in a

Re: wiki-thon? Re: [uf-discuss] Microformats.org usability review

2006-02-02 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 2/2/06 11:01 AM, Ryan King [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 2, 2006, at 8:27 AM, Dr. Ernie Prabhakar wrote: Mark et al, I appreciate the effort that has gone into this. I wonder if it would be worth just getting together for a few hours some evening for Microformats wiki-thon, where

Re: [uf-discuss] hreview parsing question

2006-02-02 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 2/2/06 10:57 AM, Ryan King [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 2, 2006, at 4:18 AM, Chris Roos wrote: Hi, I have a specific question regarding the parsing of the hreview on this yahoo movie review[1] The rating given in the review is as follows dtRating/dt dd em3.5/5 img

Re: wiki-thon? Re: [uf-discuss] Microformats.org usability review

2006-02-02 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 2/2/06 1:57 PM, Christopher St John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/2/06, Ryan King [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As I was saying... I don't think you can really extricate the process from the results. Certainly the philosophy/process could be useful in many contexts. Of course, I'd love to be

Re: wiki-thon? Re: [uf-discuss] Microformats.org usability review

2006-02-02 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 2/2/06 2:14 PM, David Osolkowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/2/06, Tantek Çelik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm a little unclear what you mean by languishing. It seems that not a day goes by when we (even myself personally) must reference the process to someone either on the list or in IRC

Re: [uf-discuss] hReview for Stocks

2006-02-01 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 2/1/06 12:04 PM, Sujata Ramchandran [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, This is my initial foray in to the world of microformats. Welcome Sujata! I have been asked to provide some additional fields within hReview Who has asked you for this? That might help understand what the problem is

Re: [uf-discuss] hReview for Stocks

2006-02-01 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 2/1/06 2:27 PM, John Panzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tantek Çelik wrote on 2/1/2006, 12:25 PM: On 2/1/06 12:04 PM, Sujata Ramchandran [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... I have been asked to provide some additional fields within hReview Who has asked you for this? That might help

Re: [uf-discuss] Microformats.org usability review

2006-02-01 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 2/1/06 6:53 PM, Ryan King [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: === Homepage (http://microformats.org) === ... Granted. A common criticism of http://microformats.org/ is that its too 'spec-y.' Writing specs is necessary, but, of course, not sufficient. One must definitely start somewhere. One of

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