Re: Start point to learn OpenBSD programming

2020-03-16 Thread Marc Espie
On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 10:00:31PM +0100, Ingo Schwarze wrote: > Hi Martijn, > > Martijn van Duren wrote on Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 09:24:26PM +0100: > > On 3/16/20 9:22 AM, Ingo Schwarze wrote: > >> Martijn van Duren wrote on Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 08:52:54AM +0100: > > >>> On 3/16/20 8:23 AM,

Re: Start point to learn OpenBSD programming

2020-03-16 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Martijn, Martijn van Duren wrote on Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 09:24:26PM +0100: > On 3/16/20 9:22 AM, Ingo Schwarze wrote: >> Martijn van Duren wrote on Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 08:52:54AM +0100: >>> On 3/16/20 8:23 AM, Martin wrote: >>> If you want reading material find a function you don't

Re: Start point to learn OpenBSD programming

2020-03-16 Thread Martijn van Duren
On 3/16/20 9:22 AM, Ingo Schwarze wrote: > Hi Martijn, > > Martijn van Duren wrote on Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 08:52:54AM +0100: >> On 3/16/20 8:23 AM, Martin wrote: >> If you want reading material find a function you don't understand and >> lookup the manpage. If you want to have a more adventurous

Re: Start point to learn OpenBSD programming

2020-03-16 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Martijn, Martijn van Duren wrote on Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 08:52:54AM +0100: > On 3/16/20 8:23 AM, Martin wrote: >> The best way for beginner to start with OpenbBSD programming? > This belongs on misc, so moving it there. > > My usual routine (and probably of a lot of other

Re: Start point to learn OpenBSD programming

2020-03-16 Thread Martijn van Duren
On 3/16/20 8:23 AM, Martin wrote: > Hello list, > > The best way for beginner to start with OpenbBSD programming? > > Martin > This belongs on misc, so moving it there. My usual routine (and probably of a lot of other OpenBSD developers) is: 1) Use it 2) Get annoyed by someth

Re: sndio programming question

2020-02-05 Thread Peter J. Philipp
Hi, I originally wrote this program around 5 years ago and didn't know it was in this bad state. So disregard debugging this for now, I'm fixing it up. I think I'm very close to getting it to work. For the size of the program, I wasn't thinking at the time, maybe I'll better post just an URL

sndio programming question

2020-02-05 Thread Peter J. Philipp
Hi, I have made a small program to read out MIDI commands for my Numark iDJLive II, DJ mixer (USB). I got rid of all my Apple software on Apple Hardware and there I had used Algoriddim DJ Pro software to take commands from this mixer. I pretty well made a crossfader and menu out of curses to

Re: Will future programmers probably warn people not to use high-level programming languages just as most programmers today warn people not to use assembler?

2019-10-30 Thread Jeff
warn people not to use high-level > >> programming languages. > > > > > > In the future, computers will program programmers. > > > > I remember programming back when it was the programmer, and not the > compiler, that did the optimizati

Re: Will future programmers probably warn people not to use high-level programming languages just as most programmers today warn people not to use assembler?

2019-10-30 Thread Stuart Longland
On 30/10/19 3:17 am, Nathan Hartman wrote: > On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 7:41 AM Clark Block wrote: > >> Just as most programmers today warn people not to use assembler, probably >> future programmers will warn people not to use high-level programming >> languages. >

Re: Will future programmers probably warn people not to use high-level programming languages just as most programmers today warn people not to use assembler?

2019-10-29 Thread Mike
On 10/29/2019 1:17 PM, Nathan Hartman wrote: > On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 7:41 AM Clark Block wrote: > >> Just as most programmers today warn people not to use assembler, probably >> future programmers will warn people not to use high-level programming >> languages. > &g

Re: Will future programmers probably warn people not to use high-level programming languages just as most programmers today warn people not to use assembler?

2019-10-29 Thread Nathan Hartman
On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 7:41 AM Clark Block wrote: > Just as most programmers today warn people not to use assembler, probably > future programmers will warn people not to use high-level programming > languages. In the future, computers will program programmers.

Will future programmers probably warn people not to use high-level programming languages just as most programmers today warn people not to use assembler?

2019-10-29 Thread Clark Block
Hi! Just as most programmers today warn people not to use assembler, probably future programmers will warn people not to use high-level programming languages. It is written in book Java How to Program ninth edition that instead of using the strings of numbers that computers could directly

Re: What programming languages and operating systems will be used after Jesus returns?

2019-02-09 Thread Patrick Dohman
> On Feb 9, 2019, at 3:11 PM, patrick keshishian wrote: > > also you have got daemons running in the system. > > > >> Yours, >> Ingo >> >From time to time the sounding of the dwarven horn will go on deaf ears ;) Regards Patrick

Re: What programming languages and operating systems will be used after Jesus returns?

2019-02-09 Thread patrick keshishian
On Sat, Feb 9, 2019 at 12:33 PM Ingo Schwarze wrote: > Hi Mihai, > > please don't feed trolls. > > The original BSD mascot happens to be the beast, > but apart from that, this thread is off-topic even on misc@. > also you have got daemons running in the system. > Yours, > Ingo > >

Re: What programming languages and operating systems will be used after Jesus returns?

2019-02-09 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Mihai, please don't feed trolls. The original BSD mascot happens to be the beast, but apart from that, this thread is off-topic even on misc@. Yours, Ingo

Re: What programming languages and operating systems will be used after Jesus returns?

2019-02-09 Thread Mihai Popescu
Maybe the release 6.6 should be skipped then? I like the part with wine, smoke and lamb. A well done lamb.

What programming languages and operating systems will be used after Jesus returns?

2019-02-09 Thread Merry Christmas
to accepts the mark of the beast will be condemned to live all eternity tormented in the lake of fire and brimstone. What programming languages and operating systems will be used after Jesus returns? In other words, what are the programming languages and operating systems that will be used

Re: Programming for OpenBSD

2018-06-14 Thread Ve Telko
Hello, Kevin. please, join us on Telegram, openbsdjumpstart channel. There are people who can help you to start. http://openbsdjumpstart.org/#/47 Ve.

Re: Programming for OpenBSD

2018-06-01 Thread Kevin Burke
mailing list. I did not really want to send it here. Is reading > > code on the obsfucated C programming website necessary to get a feel for > > blatant bad style code ? > > I'm sort of in the same boat as you are. I've been trying to get my > programming > skills up to speed so th

Re: Programming for OpenBSD

2018-06-01 Thread Mike Coddington
a technical > reason I dont want to mention (No, I did not get banned !) so that is > probably the main reason why you are reading this message on the 'official' > OpenBSD mailing list. I did not really want to send it here. Is reading > code on the obsfucated C programming website

Re: Programming for OpenBSD

2018-05-31 Thread Usexy Nerd
I would advise start with reading the OpenBSD Mailing List Netiquette first: (https://www.openbsd.org/mail.html) Particularly the 5th point from top: *- Stay on topic*... On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 7:57 PM, Marc Espie wrote: > On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 11:41:00PM -0400, Kevin Burke wrote: > > Hey

Re: Programming for OpenBSD

2018-05-31 Thread Marc Espie
On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 11:41:00PM -0400, Kevin Burke wrote: > Hey guys, fell asleep waiting for a point.

Re: Programming for OpenBSD

2018-05-31 Thread Daniel Baumgarten
Books related to OpenBSD: https://www.openbsd.org/books.html If you're hacking the OpenBSD base, you'll get very good advice by submitting patches to tech@. You'll find that the OpenBSD community isn't overly fond of political debate or security theater, most people just stick to technical

Re: Programming for OpenBSD

2018-05-30 Thread Joseph Mayer
Kevin, This is a meandering and irrelevant email. Please don't email more irrelevant ramblings. If you have practical Unix use or development questions you can ask on IRC, here or elsewhere. Joseph On May 31, 2018 11:41 AM, Kevin Burke wrote: > Hey guys, > ..

Programming for OpenBSD

2018-05-30 Thread Kevin Burke
situation right now since it is not like a postfix or sendmail with fetchmail and mutt and all that stuff. So, if this made it through and it is offending and was not somehow automatically rejected don't flame me please. My motivation for potentially getting into programming for OpenBSD : Anyway

Re: Advanced Programming in the Unix Environment 3rd Edition

2017-11-12 Thread Theo Buehler
fixed, thanks

Advanced Programming in the Unix Environment 3rd Edition

2017-11-12 Thread MazoComp
diff --git books.html books.html index 0a3abb7e8..93fef71b1 100644 --- books.html +++ books.html @@ -319,7 +319,7 @@ This book is similar to The Practice of Programming, but older. The examples are given in Fortran and PL/I. -Advanced Programming in the Unix Environment (2nd Edition

Re: programming in Assembly

2017-04-15 Thread Kartik Agaram
Your hints were sufficient to get me to a working 64-bit program: ``` .section ".note.openbsd.ident", "a" .p2align 2 .long 0x8 .long 0x4 .long 0x1 .ascii "OpenBSD\0" .long 0x .p2align 2 .section .text .globl _start _start: mov $1, %rax xor %rdi, %rdi syscall ``` I'd

Re: programming in Assembly

2017-04-15 Thread Kartik Agaram
Many thanks for the pointers.

Re: programming in Assembly

2017-04-15 Thread Philip Guenther
On Fri, 14 Apr 2017, Kartik Agaram wrote: > Many thanks! Yes, a static binary is perfectly fine at this time :) A > couple of follow-up questions, if y'all would please indulge me: > > 1. Now that I am reminded of this handy new `readelf` tool, I go > running it on the new static executable I

Re: programming in Assembly

2017-04-15 Thread Kartik Agaram
Many thanks! Yes, a static binary is perfectly fine at this time :) A couple of follow-up questions, if y'all would please indulge me: 1. Now that I am reminded of this handy new `readelf` tool, I go running it on the new static executable I just generated. ``` $ cat exit.s # repeating for your

Re: programming in Assembly

2017-04-14 Thread Philip Guenther
On Fri, 14 Apr 2017, Kartik Agaram wrote: > I'm trying out a simple Assembly program on a freshly installed "OpenBSD > openbsd 6.1 GENERIC#291 i386": > > --- begin exit.s ... > --- end > > This program assembles and links without error. However when I try to > run it, I get this: > > $ as

programming in Assembly

2017-04-14 Thread Kartik Agaram
I'm trying out a simple Assembly program on a freshly installed "OpenBSD openbsd 6.1 GENERIC#291 i386": --- begin exit.s # https://web.archive.org/web/20120509101207/http://lucifer.phiral.net/openbsdasm.htm # # $ as exit.s -o exit.o && ld exit.o -o exit && ./exit .section

Re: Any books about OpenBSD ARM programming?

2015-07-14 Thread Piotr Kubaj
On 06/29/15 03:46, Daniel Bolgheroni wrote: On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 05:26:10PM +0200, Piotr Kubaj wrote: Hi all, I'm mainly a FreeBSD user but want to learn OpenBSD. I'm also interested in basic electronics, like programming own thermometer. That's why I want to install OpenBSD on my

Re: Any books about OpenBSD ARM programming?

2015-07-14 Thread Benjamin Baier
programming own thermometer. That's why I want to install OpenBSD on my BeagleBone Black and write some simple programs using I/O pins. Are there any tutorials on this? I have found some books about FreeBSD kernel programming, but none for OpenBSD. Thanks for your help. I have a simple

Re: Any books about OpenBSD ARM programming?

2015-06-28 Thread Piotr Kubaj
On 06/29/2015 03:46, Daniel Bolgheroni wrote: On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 05:26:10PM +0200, Piotr Kubaj wrote: Hi all, I'm mainly a FreeBSD user but want to learn OpenBSD. I'm also interested in basic electronics, like programming own thermometer. That's why I want to install OpenBSD on my

Re: Any books about OpenBSD ARM programming?

2015-06-25 Thread David Dahlberg
Am Mittwoch, den 24.06.2015, 17:26 +0200 schrieb Piotr Kubaj: I want to install OpenBSD on my BeagleBone Black and write some simple programs using I/O pins. Are there any tutorials on this? Additionally to what the others did say, you probably should have a look into the (code of the)

Re: Any books about OpenBSD ARM programming?

2015-06-25 Thread Christian Weisgerber
On 2015-06-25, andrew fabbro and...@fabbro.org wrote: There was a 2nd edition of The Design and Implementation of the FreeBSD Operating System released September 2014. I haven't looked at it - was it updated to reflect current design? It was, but how is any of this relevant for OpenBSD? --

Re: Any books about OpenBSD ARM programming?

2015-06-25 Thread Mike Burns
On 2015-06-25 09.39.23 +0530, Hrishikesh Muruk wrote: Is there a way to see all of the pages in section 9 using man.cgi (or man)? I had done this; perhaps there is a better way, but I don't know it: $ apropos -s 9 *

Re: Any books about OpenBSD ARM programming?

2015-06-25 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi, andrew fabbro wrote on Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 11:00:32AM -0700: On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 9:38 PM, Hrishikesh Muruk wrote: The online man (man.cgi) for intro(9) is very short I suppose the other man pages in section 9 (kernel developer's manual) will have more details. As a matter of

Re: Any books about OpenBSD ARM programming?

2015-06-25 Thread andrew fabbro
On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 6:57 PM, Geoff Steckel g...@oat.com wrote: The McKusick books are a reasonable introduction to the kernel as it was some decades ago. There was a 2nd edition of The Design and Implementation of the FreeBSD Operating System released September 2014. I haven't looked at

Re: Any books about OpenBSD ARM programming?

2015-06-25 Thread andrew fabbro
On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 9:38 PM, Hrishikesh Muruk hris...@gmail.com wrote: But it does not seem to get a complete list of pages in section 9 I asked Kristaps Dzonsos this question a while back and he was kind enough to send me the answer. If you want to get a list of man pages in, say, section

Re: Any books about OpenBSD ARM programming?

2015-06-24 Thread Geoff Steckel
On 06/24/2015 11:26 AM, Piotr Kubaj wrote: Hi all, I'm mainly a FreeBSD user but want to learn OpenBSD. I'm also interested in basic electronics, like programming own thermometer. That's why I want to install OpenBSD on my BeagleBone Black and write some simple programs using I/O pins

Any books about OpenBSD ARM programming?

2015-06-24 Thread Piotr Kubaj
Hi all, I'm mainly a FreeBSD user but want to learn OpenBSD. I'm also interested in basic electronics, like programming own thermometer. That's why I want to install OpenBSD on my BeagleBone Black and write some simple programs using I/O pins. Are there any tutorials on this? I have found some

Re: Any books about OpenBSD ARM programming?

2015-06-24 Thread Hrishikesh Muruk
. I'm also interested in basic electronics, like programming own thermometer. That's why I want to install OpenBSD on my BeagleBone Black and write some simple programs using I/O pins. Are there any tutorials on this? I have found some books about FreeBSD kernel programming, but none

Re: Any books about OpenBSD ARM programming?

2015-06-24 Thread Hrishikesh Muruk
On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 9:39 AM, Hrishikesh Muruk hris...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks, those man pages seem like good starting points. The online man (man.cgi) for intro(9) is very short I suppose the other man pages in section 9 (kernel developer's manual) will have more details. Is there a

Re: Any books about OpenBSD ARM programming?

2015-06-24 Thread Michael McConville
On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 05:26:10PM +0200, Piotr Kubaj wrote: Hi all, I'm mainly a FreeBSD user but want to learn OpenBSD. I'm also interested in basic electronics, like programming own thermometer. That's why I want to install OpenBSD on my BeagleBone Black and write some simple programs

Re: Any books about OpenBSD ARM programming?

2015-06-24 Thread Piotr Kubaj
On 06/24/15 19:11, Michael McConville wrote: On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 05:26:10PM +0200, Piotr Kubaj wrote: Hi all, I'm mainly a FreeBSD user but want to learn OpenBSD. I'm also interested in basic electronics, like programming own thermometer. That's why I want to install OpenBSD on my

Re: Any books about OpenBSD ARM programming?

2015-06-24 Thread Mike Burns
On 2015-06-24 19.18.42 +0200, Piotr Kubaj wrote: On 06/24/15 19:11, Michael McConville wrote: On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 05:26:10PM +0200, Piotr Kubaj wrote: I'm mainly a FreeBSD user but want to learn OpenBSD. I'm also interested in basic electronics, like programming own thermometer. That's

Re: Rust programming language

2015-05-19 Thread Dmitrij D. Czarkoff
Lampshade said: Do you think that learning Rust can be good for educational purposes? Learning anything is good for educational purposes. -- Dmitrij D. Czarkoff

Rust programming language

2015-05-19 Thread Lampshade
Hello May 15 2015 have been a release date for Rust 1.0. What is your opinion on Rust? Does it have any chances to be some day popular programming language? Do you think that learning Rust can be good for educational purposes?

Re: Rust programming language

2015-05-19 Thread Karsten König
it have any chances to be some day popular programming language? Do you think that learning Rust can be good for educational purposes?

Re: [Bulk] Re: Real time programming in OpenBSD

2014-09-12 Thread Matti Karnaattu
Most definitely not. Thanks for clarification. Then it is something like MIT approach except strict license policy. This also means that there is probably desire to dump GCC favor of LLVM? Drawbacks are using C++ code and reduced portability to legacy platforms. I personally don't find GCC to

Re: [Bulk] Re: Real time programming in OpenBSD

2014-09-12 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Matti, Matti Karnaattu wrote on Sat, Sep 13, 2014 at 12:25:54AM +0300: This also means that there is probably desire to dump GCC Yes, we strongly wish to replace GCC because we are stuck with the last available GPLv2 version, which is ancient by now. Newer GCC is GPLv3, and GPLv3 code won't

Re: [Bulk] Re: Real time programming in OpenBSD

2014-09-11 Thread Kevin Chadwick
previously on this list Ingo Schwarze contributed: There are problems with fvwm, yes. It is old, crufty code of horrible quality. I was under the impression that when it was audited it was found to be far better than expected and I believe something like quite clean or surprising little

Re: [Bulk] Re: Real time programming in OpenBSD

2014-09-11 Thread Matti Karnaattu
I find it far more useful and easier to work with and control than modern desktops and wish modern programs went back to older config standards and used text rather than *conf rubbish and that freedesktop followed the older principles more closely when doing desktop unification features etc.. I

Re: [Bulk] Re: Real time programming in OpenBSD

2014-09-11 Thread Philip Guenther
On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 10:57 AM, Matti Karnaattu mkarnaa...@gmail.com wrote: What I meant was to clarify OpenBSD culture, priorities and coding practices and like to know whichever was the lesser of two evils: -simplicity vs. licensing purity -licensing purity vs. completeness -pragmatic

Re: [Bulk] Re: Real time programming in OpenBSD

2014-09-11 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Matti, Matti Karnaattu wrote on Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 08:57:30PM +0300: And if I understand correctly, priorities goes like this: simplicity licensing purity correctness completeness Most definitely not. That's more than just a bit misleading. None of these can be put into an

Re: Real time programming in OpenBSD

2014-09-10 Thread Christiano F. Haesbaert
On 9 September 2014 22:30, Matti Karnaattu mkarnaa...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, Is it possible to dedicate CPU core to process? What I'm looking for is simple way to take advantage of high quality and secure code base of OpenBSD to use in real time/embedded applications. If this trick can be

Re: Real time programming in OpenBSD

2014-09-10 Thread Matti Karnaattu
, but what else? -Hey, I like to create GUI application, what is the preferred API? I think that programming should be mandatory in elementary school because it force to describe what you wan't without ambiguity. For this reason, I know this is easy task developers to do. However, I can't do that task

Re: Real time programming in OpenBSD

2014-09-10 Thread Matti Karnaattu
You can use this diff if you want, it adds support for nice(1) to do the binding, I use it to do MP tests. Thanks! This helps a lot.

Re: Real time programming in OpenBSD

2014-09-10 Thread Philip Guenther
On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 7:09 AM, Matti Karnaattu mkarnaa...@gmail.com wrote: You can use this diff if you want, it adds support for nice(1) to do the binding, I use it to do MP tests. Thanks! This helps a lot. Note that that diff does the converse of what you requested, pegging a thread to a

Re: Real time programming in OpenBSD

2014-09-10 Thread Ingo Schwarze
to create GUI application, what is the preferred API? That question is unrelated to OpenBSD. The OpenBSD base system does not contain any GUI API. Well, Xenocara does contain the bare X11R6 API, but we certainly don't recommend using that for application programming. There are lots of people *porting

Re: Real time programming in OpenBSD

2014-09-10 Thread Matti Karnaattu
Note that that diff does the converse of what you requested, pegging a thread to a CPU instead of banning the CPU from running other processes' threads. True, but this is good starting point. On your bigger question: I don't know of any one working on making OpenBSD a realtime OS in the sense of

Re: Real time programming in OpenBSD

2014-09-10 Thread Brett Mahar
| | However, I can't do that task because I don't know the OpenBSD developers | mindset and I don't know yet is this the right community. I'm | interested to put effort in controlled manner and help to remove ambiquity. | | I'm still probing this community. | Hi Matti, Best way to see what

Re: Real time programming in OpenBSD

2014-09-10 Thread Matti Karnaattu
certainly don't recommend using that for application programming. But i'm not aware of anybody developing a GUI application *as an OpenBSD subproject*. Right. And I don't expect that anybody do that because there is no API for that in base system. To fully understand mindset correctly related

Re: Real time programming in OpenBSD

2014-09-10 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Matti, Matti Karnaattu wrote on Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 02:14:25AM +0300: 1. Is there any preferred way to post diffs? * cvs diff -Nup * send inline in the mail body, not as MIME attachments * if you are already in contact with a particular group of developers who want to review diffs in

Real time programming in OpenBSD

2014-09-09 Thread Matti Karnaattu
Hello, Is it possible to dedicate CPU core to process? What I'm looking for is simple way to take advantage of high quality and secure code base of OpenBSD to use in real time/embedded applications. If this trick can be achived, it is simple to use OpenBSD as platform when critical parts of

Re: Real time programming in OpenBSD

2014-09-09 Thread Daniel Dickman
On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 4:30 PM, Matti Karnaattu mkarnaa...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, Is it possible to dedicate CPU core to process? This thread may or may not be useful to read over: http://marc.info/?t=13588288892r=1w=1 What I'm looking for is simple way to take advantage of high

Re: Real time programming in OpenBSD

2014-09-09 Thread Matti Karnaattu
for my interests so some developer hacking kernel every week should have interests to enable OpenBSD suitable for safety programming. Otherwise I have to look elsewhere. Can you give more details about what tools/techniques you have in mind? Formal specifications defined with modified condition

Re: Real time programming in OpenBSD

2014-09-09 Thread Daniel Dickman
/goals.html I consider that going deep kernel internals is out of scope for my interests so some developer hacking kernel every week should have interests to enable OpenBSD suitable for safety programming. Otherwise I have to look elsewhere. The only person who will mold things around your

Re: OT: mailing list unix programming

2012-12-28 Thread Voland Levit
...@wxcvbn.org wrote: Friedrich Locke friedrich.lo...@gmail.com writes: Does anybody know any mailing list devoted to unix/posix programming ? Thanks in advance. My first tought is comp.unix.programmer -- J?r?mie Courr?ges-Anglas GPG Key fingerprint: 61DB D9A0 00A4 67CF 2A90 8961

OT: mailing list unix programming

2012-12-26 Thread Friedrich Locke
Does anybody know any mailing list devoted to unix/posix programming ? Thanks in advance.

Re: OT: mailing list unix programming

2012-12-26 Thread Jérémie Courrèges-Anglas
Friedrich Locke friedrich.lo...@gmail.com writes: Does anybody know any mailing list devoted to unix/posix programming ? Thanks in advance. My first tought is comp.unix.programmer -- Jérémie Courrèges-Anglas GPG Key fingerprint: 61DB D9A0 00A4 67CF 2A90 8961 6191 8FBF 06A1 1494

Re: OT: mailing list unix programming

2012-12-26 Thread Friedrich Locke
programming ? Thanks in advance. My first tought is comp.unix.programmer -- Jérémie Courrèges-Anglas GPG Key fingerprint: 61DB D9A0 00A4 67CF 2A90 8961 6191 8FBF 06A1 1494

Re: OT: mailing list unix programming

2012-12-26 Thread Jérémie Courrèges-Anglas
Friedrich Locke friedrich.lo...@gmail.com writes (about comp.unix.programmer): It is a newsgroup, not a mailing list. What news client do you suggest in order to access it? I use Gnus (a newsreader and more, integrated into Emacs). But take a look at /usr/ports/news. trn, slrn, etc There

Re: OT: mailing list unix programming

2012-12-26 Thread Juan Francisco Cantero Hurtado
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 08:24:43PM +0100, Jérémie Courrèges-Anglas wrote: Friedrich Locke friedrich.lo...@gmail.com writes (about comp.unix.programmer): It is a newsgroup, not a mailing list. What news client do you suggest in order to access it? I use Gnus (a newsreader and more,

Re: Favorite IDE for C programming on OpenBSD

2012-09-26 Thread Giovanni Bechis
Joel Rees j...@alpsgiken.gr.jp wrote: Anyone tried Kylix under Linux emulation? ;- I tried an old version and it worked, if I remember correctly it was OpenBSD 3.8. Cheers Giovanni

Re: Favorite IDE for C programming on OpenBSD

2012-09-26 Thread Francisco Valladolid H.
Hi, VIM is the reply.! Regards. On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 8:34 AM, Giovanni Bechis giova...@bigio.snb.it wrote: Joel Rees j...@alpsgiken.gr.jp wrote: Anyone tried Kylix under Linux emulation? ;- I tried an old version and it worked, if I remember correctly it was OpenBSD 3.8. Cheers

Re: Favorite IDE for C programming on OpenBSD

2012-09-18 Thread dukzcry
Chris Palmer chris at nodewarrior.org writes: People don't seem to get this, but Unix itself *is* an IDE. Indeed. Worth to read for beginners: http://blog.sanctum.geek.nz/series/unix-as-ide/ . Replace Linux with BSD and adjust flags for GNU tools replaced with BSD rewrites where

C Programming Language - KR books to be given...

2012-07-02 Thread Amarendra Godbole
Hi misc@, tech@, If it is difficult to grab hold of a copy of KR 2nd ed., please drop me a private note -- I have a bunch of copies (5) which I can send across your way as a gift. I'll probably ask you to cover the shipping (~$6 US). These are Indian reprints which cost a lot less here in India

Re: C Programming Language - KR books to be given...

2012-07-02 Thread Amit Kulkarni
On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 4:47 AM, Amarendra Godbole amarendra.godb...@gmail.com wrote: Hi misc@, tech@, If it is difficult to grab hold of a copy of KR 2nd ed., please drop me a private note -- I have a bunch of copies (5) which I can send across your way as a gift. I'll probably ask you to

Re: C Programming Language - KR books to be given...

2012-07-02 Thread Chris Cappuccio
Amit Kulkarni [amitk...@gmail.com] wrote: they are cheap in india for a specific reason, Most people in India can't afford to pay US/EU prices there and they are expensive in US/EU for another specific reason. Because more people in US/EU don't buy the India version this is getting into

Re: Learning C Programming

2012-06-26 Thread cody chandler
! Thanks to all of you for your input!! The books I went with are the The C Programming Language and The C Answer Book. Once I go threw these I will try the other ones recommended. Thanks again!!! Cody

Re: Learning C Programming

2012-06-24 Thread 0xAAA
Yes there is an official answers book, but it is written by other authors. I believe that the KR book refers to it somewhere. They refer to it on the back of the book :D

Re: Learning C Programming

2012-06-22 Thread Peter J. Philipp
yourself. One may be better off reading someone elses code. A mentioned in the preface, KR requires some knowledge about general programming concepts and/or access to someone with experience. And it requires real study, not just causal reading, as others have said before

Re: Learning C Programming

2012-06-22 Thread Vitali
On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 10:58 AM, Peter J. Philipp p...@centroid.eu wrote: This is interesting KR requires some knowledge about general programming concepts, I couldn't agree more considering how I struggled with KR. Yes, that's true with me as well. I couldn't grok KR no matter how hard I

Re: Learning C Programming

2012-06-22 Thread ropers
On 22 June 2012 00:05, Chris Bennett ch...@bennettconstruction.us wrote: Yes, it's a very tough book. I have had a similar experience. I did get a copy of the answers book from an interlibrary loan. There is an answers book? Is that official or unofficial, i.e. is it just some random

Re: Learning C Programming

2012-06-22 Thread Marc Espie
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 11:20:09AM -0700, Matthew Dempsky wrote: On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Amit Kulkarni amitk...@gmail.com wrote: yes it is, and i am surprised it is ~ $50. it is such a small book. FWIW, you can read the C specification drafts online for free: C89:

Re: Learning C Programming

2012-06-22 Thread Chris Bennett
On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 07:55:18AM +0200, Otto Moerbeek wrote: Wel, reading an answers book does not really help. Arriving at the answers yourself (wich requires effort indeed) is much better. A mentioned in the preface, KR requires some knowledge about general programming concepts

Re: Learning C Programming

2012-06-22 Thread Chris Bennett
On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 10:33:31AM +0200, ropers wrote: There is an answers book? Is that official or unofficial, i.e. is it just some random punter's crib notes or something that Messrs KR wrote? Would that be a good reference if one shows restraint and tries one's own hand first, or would

Re: Learning C Programming

2012-06-22 Thread James Hartley
to it somewhere. http://www.amazon.com/The-Answer-Book-Solutions-Programming/dp/0131096532/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8qid=1340400381sr=8-1keywords=the+c+answer+book

Learning C Programming

2012-06-22 Thread Jay Patel
Hey i found this http://www.wibit.net/curriculum/the_c_lineage/programming_in_c for newbie ..after this you can go to KR C. Regards, Jay.

Re: Learning C Programming

2012-06-22 Thread cody chandler
On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 10:41 PM, Jay Patel rockworl...@gmail.com wrote: Hey i found this http://www.wibit.net/curriculum/the_c_lineage/programming_in_c for newbie ..after this you can go to KR C. Regards, Jay. I must say this is a wealth of knowledge! Thanks to everyone for the input

Learning C Programming

2012-06-21 Thread cody chandler
Hello, Talk about learning C Programming and the KR book being a good one. Is this the book? http://www.amazon.com/C-Programming-Language-2nd-Edition/dp/0131103628 Figured it would be best to start new instead of keeping the Chat forked and moving away from the topid of the OBSD Fork

Re: Learning C Programming

2012-06-21 Thread Bryan Irvine
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 10:37 AM, cody chandler cody.a.chand...@gmail.com wrote: Hello,  Talk about learning C Programming and the KR book being a good one.  Is this the book? http://www.amazon.com/C-Programming-Language-2nd-Edition/dp/0131103628 Figured it would be best to start new

Re: Learning C Programming

2012-06-21 Thread Matthew Dempsky
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 10:37 AM, cody chandler cody.a.chand...@gmail.com wrote:  Talk about learning C Programming and the KR book being a good one.  Is this the book? http://www.amazon.com/C-Programming-Language-2nd-Edition/dp/0131103628 Yes.

Re: Learning C Programming

2012-06-21 Thread Amit Kulkarni
 Talk about learning C Programming and the KR book being a good one.  Is this the book? http://www.amazon.com/C-Programming-Language-2nd-Edition/dp/0131103628 yes it is, and i am surprised it is ~ $50. it is such a small book.

Re: Learning C Programming

2012-06-21 Thread James Hartley
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 10:37 AM, cody chandler cody.a.chand...@gmail.comwrote: Is this the book? http://www.amazon.com/C-Programming-Language-2nd-Edition/dp/0131103628 Yes.

Re: Learning C Programming

2012-06-21 Thread cody chandler
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 1:55 PM, Amit Kulkarni amitk...@gmail.com wrote: Talk about learning C Programming and the KR book being a good one. Is this the book? http://www.amazon.com/C-Programming-Language-2nd-Edition/dp/0131103628 yes it is, and i am surprised it is ~ $50

  1   2   3   >