Re: text-mode gui

2015-12-21 Thread Luke Small
You are a normal user and have full disk encryption. You must have read the man page on how to do that? Found the installer option did you. I have read several books on openbsd and all the man pages I could find and didn't find out how to do it anywhere else other that how to webpages. On Dec 21, 2

Re: What are the first 2 columns in "top"'s memory report for really? Man page doesn't say!

2015-12-21 Thread Otto Moerbeek
On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 04:04:55AM +0800, Tinker wrote: > On 2015-12-22 03:32, Otto Moerbeek wrote: > >On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 02:31:58AM +0800, Tinker wrote: > > > >>Hi, on my 4GB RAM machine, top says > >> > >>"Memory: Real: 1293M/3786M act/tot Free: 158M Cache: 2079M Swap: > >>449M/10G" > >> >

Re: WTMP Question

2015-12-21 Thread Philip Guenther
On Sun, Dec 20, 2015 at 6:06 PM, Duncan Patton a Campbell wrote: > On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 12:37:30 -0800 > Philip Guenther wrote: > >> On Sat, Dec 19, 2015 at 3:31 PM, Duncan Patton a Campbell >> wrote: >> > I've a question about last/utmp/wtmp that someone here should be >> > able to answer. >> >

Progress on adding support for Perle Speed8 LE

2015-12-21 Thread Jordon
I have actually made some progress on this serial port card! I looked at how FreeBSD has it configured, tried to map the values to the OpenBSD struct, and actually got something working! I added the following to pcidevs: vendor PERLE 0x155f Perle vendor COMTROL 0x11fe Com

Re: BIOS call fallback

2015-12-21 Thread Steve Litt
On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 23:41:18 + "Read, James C" wrote: > > Well there you go. Get to it. See you in 10 years. > > Seriously, though. The thought must have crossed your mind at least > once during all these years of mopping up the mess that MS/Intel seem > to have concocted over the years.

Re: BIOS call fallback

2015-12-21 Thread Theo de Raadt
> To be fair, i'd love to see the OpenBSD approach to software development > applied to BIOS/EFI firmware. > > For a start, it wouldn't have the nightmare that is Intel AMT sitting below > the OS and offering a massive security hole. Gareth, The OpenBSD process is quite well understood. Use the

Re: BIOS call fallback

2015-12-21 Thread Gareth Nelson
To be fair, i'd love to see the OpenBSD approach to software development applied to BIOS/EFI firmware. For a start, it wouldn't have the nightmare that is Intel AMT sitting below the OS and offering a massive security hole. On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 1:36 AM, Theo de Raadt wrote: > > Seriously, th

Re: BIOS call fallback

2015-12-21 Thread Theo de Raadt
> Seriously, though. The thought must have crossed your mind at least once > during all these years of mopping up the mess that MS/Intel seem to have > concocted over the years. > > I wonder what a hardware system designed by BSD bootloader, kernel and driver > hackers would look like. I should exp

Re: utilities in bsd.rd

2015-12-21 Thread Theo de Raadt
> By any chance is there a handy list of the utilities compiled into bsd.rd > (release or recent snap)? This varies architecture by architecture. Look for files called list or list*, inside distrib/ARCH/... subdirectories. The specific location of those files varies, it is not completely clean.

Re: BIOS call fallback

2015-12-21 Thread Read, James C
> Well there you go. Get to it. See you in 10 years. Seriously, though. The thought must have crossed your mind at least once during all these years of mopping up the mess that MS/Intel seem to have concocted over the years. I wonder what a hardware system designed by BSD bootloader, kernel and

Re: utilities in bsd.rd

2015-12-21 Thread AHLSENGIRARD, EDWARD F CTR USAF AFMC AFNWC/NDBD
>On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 20:45:15 + "AHLSENGIRARD, EDWARD F CTR USAF AFMC AFNWC/NDBD" wrote: >> By any chance is there a handy list of the utilities compiled into >> bsd.rd (release or recent snap)? >> >> >> -- >> Edward Ahlsen-Girard >> >it may not be exhaustive but the kernel is compiled from /

(pretty trivial) FAQ 4 diff suggestions

2015-12-21 Thread ropers
Feel free to reject the below without comment if these changes are not deemed improvements: --- faq4.html.orig2015-12-20 21:56:34.565914000 +0100 +++ faq4.html2015-12-21 23:33:22.311786584 +0100 @@ -90,7 +90,7 @@ 4.1 - Overview of the OpenBSD installation procedure -OpenBSD has long be

Re: resize crypto raid

2015-12-21 Thread Uwe Werler
Hello Karel, exactly this I guessed :( Mmh, any idea how can be dealt with crypto raid and a kinda ccd? Regards Uwe On 21. Dec 22:58:27, Karel Gardas wrote: > Hello Uwe, > > IIRC softraid0 also saves disk size as a part of its metadata. I'm not > sure if metadata gets updated when you change j

Re: utilities in bsd.rd

2015-12-21 Thread dan mclaughlin
On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 20:45:15 + "AHLSENGIRARD, EDWARD F CTR USAF AFMC AFNWC/NDBD" wrote: > By any chance is there a handy list of the utilities compiled into bsd.rd > (release or recent snap)? > > > -- > Edward Ahlsen-Girard > it may not be exhaustive but the kernel is compiled from /usr/s

Re: resize crypto raid

2015-12-21 Thread Karel Gardas
Hello Uwe, IIRC softraid0 also saves disk size as a part of its metadata. I'm not sure if metadata gets updated when you change just partition/disklabel size, but I would not expect it. On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 10:49 PM, Uwe Werler wrote: > Hello Ted, > > this is exactly my problem - i can't chan

utilities in bsd.rd

2015-12-21 Thread AHLSENGIRARD, EDWARD F CTR USAF AFMC AFNWC/NDBD
By any chance is there a handy list of the utilities compiled into bsd.rd (release or recent snap)? -- Edward Ahlsen-Girard

Re: resize crypto raid

2015-12-21 Thread Uwe Werler
Hello Ted, this is exactly my problem - i can't change the disk boundaries at the softraid disk. I tried it with saving the disklabel of softraid0/sd0 and editing manually - with no success. Any ideas? Regards Uwe On 21. Dec 16:05:28, Ted Unangst wrote: > Uwe Werler wrote: > > Hello list, > > >

Re: resize crypto raid

2015-12-21 Thread Ted Unangst
Uwe Werler wrote: > Hello list, > > is it currently possible to resize/increase a crypto raid anyhow? I tested it > with a virtual disk image via vnconfig - created an image file, attached it > via vnconfig, created a raid partition and configured a raid with crypto > discipline. Later I increased

resize crypto raid

2015-12-21 Thread Uwe Werler
Hello list, is it currently possible to resize/increase a crypto raid anyhow? I tested it with a virtual disk image via vnconfig - created an image file, attached it via vnconfig, created a raid partition and configured a raid with crypto discipline. Later I increased the image and adopted the par

Re: Understanding 'disklabel -T' math

2015-12-21 Thread Brian Conway
Great, thanks. I was about to make a diff for the -T template section below that and change "and percentage of disk" to "and percentage of remaining space", but that certainly clarifies it. Brian Conway On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 1:43 PM, Otto Moerbeek wrote: > On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 05:16:31PM +0

Re: What are the first 2 columns in "top"'s memory report for really? Man page doesn't say!

2015-12-21 Thread Tinker
On 2015-12-22 03:32, Otto Moerbeek wrote: On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 02:31:58AM +0800, Tinker wrote: Hi, on my 4GB RAM machine, top says "Memory: Real: 1293M/3786M act/tot Free: 158M Cache: 2079M Swap: 449M/10G" All the five first columns vary over time, in particular the first four. 3786 +

Re: Understanding 'disklabel -T' math

2015-12-21 Thread Otto Moerbeek
On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 05:16:31PM +0100, Otto Moerbeek wrote: > On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 09:30:12AM -0600, Brian Conway wrote: > > > I'm hoping someone can enlighten me, as I think I'm misunderstanding > > the man page. > > > > I'm using a simplified test case with a 12 GB disk and a template of

Re: What are the first 2 columns in "top"'s memory report for really? Man page doesn't say!

2015-12-21 Thread Otto Moerbeek
On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 02:31:58AM +0800, Tinker wrote: > Hi, on my 4GB RAM machine, top says > > "Memory: Real: 1293M/3786M act/tot Free: 158M Cache: 2079M Swap: 449M/10G" > > All the five first columns vary over time, in particular the first four. > > 3786 + 158 = 3944 is fairly close to 4GB

Re: text-mode gui

2015-12-21 Thread Christoph R. Murauer
> I don't need a special need case. I have already configured the system > I need, but it would have been nice to know about these configuration > options earlier. Just curious, if you have already a configured system why you then complain about things like that ? The entry point for OpenBSD is RT

Re: BIOS call fallback

2015-12-21 Thread Ted Unangst
Read, James C wrote: > >Also, BIOS functions are traditionally coded only powerful enough bootup > style operation. > > I'm not sure what you mean by 'powerful enough'. Somebody who installs OpenBSD > and cannot access the internet now has a double problem 1) he can't access the > internet 2) he t

What are the first 2 columns in "top"'s memory report for really? Man page doesn't say!

2015-12-21 Thread Tinker
Hi, on my 4GB RAM machine, top says "Memory: Real: 1293M/3786M act/tot Free: 158M Cache: 2079M Swap: 449M/10G" All the five first columns vary over time, in particular the first four. 3786 + 158 = 3944 is fairly close to 4GB so I guess that's the amount of RAM that the BIOS (+HW drivers?) ac

Re: BIOS call fallback

2015-12-21 Thread Raul Miller
On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 11:19 AM, Read, James C wrote: > I'm not sure what you mean by 'powerful enough'. Somebody who installs OpenBSD > and cannot access the internet now has a double problem 1) he can't access the > internet 2) he therefore can't search online for information about how to fix >

Re: BIOS call fallback

2015-12-21 Thread Kamil Cholewiński
> Somebody who installs OpenBSD and cannot access the internet now has a > double problem 1) he can't access the internet 2) he therefore can't > search online for information about how to fix the problem. IF you're installing a new and unknown OS on your only Internet-capable device - you are *as

Re: BIOS call fallback

2015-12-21 Thread Tati Chevron
On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 04:19:38PM +, Read, James C wrote: The more I look into this the more I start to think that I wasn't being extreme enough when I decided it would be easier to build my OS than play around with everyone else's. It now seems what I should have decided was to build my own

Re: text-mode gui

2015-12-21 Thread Luke Small
I don't need a special need case. I have already configured the system I need, but it would have been nice to know about these configuration options earlier. It was only because of Linux that I became aware of some of the stuff like what vlc is and I fooled around with Web pages and virtual HDs eno

Re: BIOS call fallback

2015-12-21 Thread Theo de Raadt
> >Because the kernel cannot know what memory it should leave untouched, > >to use such BIOS functions. > > Why not? I understand that there is some degree of variance amongst BIOS > uaage of memory but the upper bounds seem to be clearly defined (if I am not > misinformed). And surely it would be

Re: text-mode gui

2015-12-21 Thread Kamil Cholewiński
> Back about 2008 I had my own way of downloading and installing, still > with the stock installer. I'd download some files and put them on a > CD, using the install floppy image as a boot image. Boot the CD as a > floppy, shell out and mount it as a CD, then go back and install from > a mounted

Re: BIOS call fallback

2015-12-21 Thread Read, James C
>Because the kernel cannot know what memory it should leave untouched, >to use such BIOS functions. Why not? I understand that there is some degree of variance amongst BIOS usage of memory but the upper bounds seem to be clearly defined (if I am not misinformed). And surely it would be possible to

Re: Understanding 'disklabel -T' math

2015-12-21 Thread Otto Moerbeek
On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 09:30:12AM -0600, Brian Conway wrote: > I'm hoping someone can enlighten me, as I think I'm misunderstanding > the man page. > > I'm using a simplified test case with a 12 GB disk and a template of > the following: > / 256M > swap 256M > /tmp 256M > /var 256M > /usr

Re: text-mode gui

2015-12-21 Thread lists
> >> > Usability means then it should be not only humans but also programs > >> > who are able to interact with the installer. So, since stream editors > >> > know nothing about this seasons' (or Luddite's) line drawing symbols, > >> > and users barely see the information between these on another

Re: text-mode gui

2015-12-21 Thread Peter Hessler
This has gone wildly off-topic, please take it off list -- A fool must now and then be right by chance.

Re: text-mode gui

2015-12-21 Thread lists
> Luke Small > >[...] It would be very easy to write a C > >program to parse and edit fstab to make all the partitions softdep. I > >wouldn't know how to automate a disklabel call in the way that > >https://www.vultr.com/docs/setup-openbsd-5-6-with-full-disk-encryption > >perfo

Re: text-mode gui

2015-12-21 Thread lists
> > Usability means then it should be not only humans but also programs > > who are able to interact with the installer. So, since stream editors > > know nothing about this seasons' (or Luddite's) line drawing symbols, > > and users barely see the information between these on another terminal > >

Re: text-mode gui

2015-12-21 Thread lists
On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 20:34:39 -0600 Luke Small > I haven't really done a fresh install since 4.8 . Not much point making installer suggestions then, you just don't use it. You complain your feel for a lack of hand holding experience in a fool proof solution would be the one to sort your problem.

Re: text-mode gui

2015-12-21 Thread Alan Corey
I can't resist jumping in. I see what y'all are saying but have you considered the possibility of multiple installers? The standard officially supported and maintained one that's guaranteed to work. Others, clearly labelled as contributed works, buried in sysutils and maybe on github that have co

Understanding 'disklabel -T' math

2015-12-21 Thread Brian Conway
I'm hoping someone can enlighten me, as I think I'm misunderstanding the man page. I'm using a simplified test case with a 12 GB disk and a template of the following: / 256M swap 256M /tmp 256M /var 256M /usr 5.5G-* 80% /home 1G-* 20% Based on how I'm reading the man page, disklabel sho

Re: text-mode gui

2015-12-21 Thread Luke Small
I haven't really done a fresh install since 4.8 . I didn't know the partitions were mounted . I don't see a problem with making the operating system user friendly enough that the only command line you really need to do is maybe "pkg_add -u" or pkg_add for installing new software. If they want to ru

Re: text-mode gui

2015-12-21 Thread Luke Small
I suspect that there could be a number of minor implementation tweaks that could be addressed that would be convenient to avoid presumably to streamline the install process for folks that would prefer to avoid an incessant procession of questions. There are other features that inexperienced users

Re: serious watchdog timeout issues with em driver

2015-12-21 Thread Gregor Best
On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 10:41:22AM +0200, Kapetanakis Giannis wrote: > Hi, > > Problem is still here with Dec 16 snapshot. > > Dec 17 13:08:20 server /bsd: OpenBSD 5.8-current (GENERIC.MP) #1494: Wed Dec > 16 12:13:03 MST 2015 > Dec 17 13:08:20 server /bsd: > dera...@i386.openbsd.org:/usr/src/sys

Re: text-mode gui

2015-12-21 Thread Kamil Cholewiński
On Mon, 21 Dec 2015, li...@wrant.com wrote: >> > Usability means then it should be not only humans but also programs >> > who are able to interact with the installer. So, since stream editors >> > know nothing about this seasons' (or Luddite's) line drawing symbols, >> > and users barely see the i

Re: text-mode gui

2015-12-21 Thread Carsten Kunze
Luke Small wrote: >[...] It would be very easy to write a > C >program to parse and edit fstab to make all the partitions softdep. I >wouldn't know how to automate a disklabel call in the way that >https://www.vultr.com/docs/setup-openbsd-5-6-with-full-disk-encryption >performs

Alias equivalent in 5.8 httpd

2015-12-21 Thread Vijay Sankar
I was wondering what would be the equivalent of Alias in the new httpd.conf For example, I have Alias /Microsoft-Server-ActiveSync /var/www/htdocs/horde/rpc.php in /var/www/conf/httpd.conf with apache-httpd-openbsd-1.3.20140502p4. With the new httpd, I tried stuff like location "/Microsoft-Se

Re: serious watchdog timeout issues with em driver

2015-12-21 Thread Kapetanakis Giannis
Hi, Problem is still here with Dec 16 snapshot. Dec 17 13:08:20 server /bsd: OpenBSD 5.8-current (GENERIC.MP) #1494: Wed Dec 16 12:13:03 MST 2015 Dec 17 13:08:20 server /bsd: dera...@i386.openbsd.org:/usr/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/GENERIC.MP Dec 17 13:08:20 server /bsd: cpu0: Intel(R) Pentium(

Re: FAQ 3.3 - suggested copyright clarification diff

2015-12-21 Thread Janne Johansson
2015-12-20 19:11 GMT+01:00 Tati Chevron : > On Sun, Dec 20, 2015 at 06:24:26PM +0100, ropers wrote: > >> But if I want to make my own bootable Blu-ray disc, for a single >> architecture, >> > using the files on the discs I purchased, is it necessary, for example, > to master it with the distributi