Re: TNC Packet Radio for OpenBSD

2009-02-26 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 08:09:44AM +0100, Marc Balmer wrote: Yes. The normal speed for packet radio over UHF/SHV is 1200 or 9600 bps, over HF usually 300 bps. Heck, a very popular tranmission technique on HF, PSK31, uses 31 bps. Thats what, about the same speed as manual-key morse? Doug.

Re: Running another OS under OpenBSD

2008-12-31 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 12:23:59PM +0100, Henning Brauer wrote: * Douglas A. Tutty dtu...@vianet.ca [2008-12-30 02:39]: crappy applications are still crappy applications on OpenBSD, but worse on pretty much any other OS. IIUC, with ports right now, to get security fixes you have to run

Re: Running another OS under OpenBSD

2008-12-29 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 5:34 AM, Henning Brauer lists-open...@bsws.dewrote: * Douglas A. Tutty dtu...@vianet.ca [2008-12-23 05:45]: On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 02:41:08AM +0100, Henning Brauer wrote: * Jussi Peltola pe...@pelzi.net [2008-12-11 20:52]: On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 10:30:50AM -0800

Re: Running another OS under OpenBSD

2008-12-22 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 02:41:08AM +0100, Henning Brauer wrote: * Jussi Peltola pe...@pelzi.net [2008-12-11 20:52]: On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 10:30:50AM -0800, Jeff_1981 wrote: That said, OpenBSD base services are extremely secure, compared to the competition, when properly configured and

Re: Mount USB disk

2008-11-17 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 12:45:47PM +0100, Christophe Rioux wrote: I try to mount an USB disk using FAQ14 (http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq14.html) dmesg: umass0 at uhub0 port 4 configuration 1 interface 0 Cypress Semiconductor USB2.0 Storage Device rev 2.00/0.01 addr 2 umass0: using SCSI

Re: Using a separate boot partition

2008-11-11 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 07:52:30PM -0800, Joseph Alten wrote: Due to technical constraints, my setup requires that I have a separate boot partition (basically the kernel and anything else critical for booting), and then of course my root partition other data partitions on a separate

Re: Using a separate boot partition

2008-11-11 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 08:31:42PM -0800, Joseph Alten wrote: So there isn't really an option like I was describing? I was going to just create my / partition on my boot hard drive like you mentioned, but I seemed so close when I ran boot hd0a:/bsd -a at the boot prompt that I thought I

Re: Using a separate boot partition

2008-11-11 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 12:05:47AM -0500, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 08:31:42PM -0800, Joseph Alten wrote: So there isn't really an option like I was describing? I was going to just create my / partition on my boot hard drive like you mentioned, but I seemed so

Re: 4.4 recently installed

2008-11-09 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Sun, Nov 09, 2008 at 04:34:41PM -0800, T D wrote: I have installed 4.4 on a machine (ibm aptiva) with the below dmesg output. As I am somewhat new to this os, I would like some sugestions as to what I could/should do with this box and no I will not rm -rf / Any ideas/suggestions greatly

Re: Packet Filter: how to keep device names on hardware failure?

2008-11-07 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 01:22:08PM +0100, Peter N. M. Hansteen wrote: Unless we make some other unique identifier part of the way PF evaluates rules (the MAC address comes to mind, but that too can be changed in any modern operating system), there is no quick fix, other than rewriting your

diff ftp.openbsd.org ftp.ca.openbsd.org motd

2008-11-05 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
In the ftp list for openbsd, the master fan-out is ftp.openbsd.org and a request to use a secondary mirror. ftp.ca.openbsd.org is listed as a secondary mirror in Edmonton. However, the motd at ftp.ca.openbsd.org says that OpenBSD ftp services are not really provided at this site.

Re: Funny slogans to put on tshirts

2008-10-31 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 10:29:35AM +0100, Redd Vinylene wrote: It's my friend's birthday tomorrow. I was thinking I'd make him a tshirt with some funny slogan on it or something. Preferably something UNIX related. But I'm all outta ideas. Perhaps y'all can help? Alright, much obliged, thanks.

Re: new home box for secure data storage

2008-10-30 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 11:53:16AM +0100, Felipe Alfaro Solana wrote: On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 9:14 PM, Douglas A. Tutty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm thinking I could go two routes: 1. encrypt all of /home with an encrypted virtualfs file. However, then the data is unencrypted

Re: new home box for secure data storage

2008-10-30 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 08:38:16AM +0100, Guido Tschakert wrote: Douglas A. Tutty schrieb: On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 09:09:20PM -0500, patric conant wrote: I'm confused, the encrypted volume cannot be backed up without a key? Sure, I could backup the encrypted volume. However, I'd rather

Re: new home box for secure data storage

2008-10-30 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 09:34:56AM +0100, Michiel van Baak wrote: On 16:14, Wed 29 Oct 08, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: I think I want root to be able to mount/access the directories so that the data can be included in a backup set (which is then piped through openssl for encryption) on a file

new home box for secure data storage

2008-10-29 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
I'll be setting up a new box for the house and I want to use OpenBSD for it, both for its security and since it will be an older box it will run better than with Debian. Roles: main firewall for dialup internet access. fetchmail and sendmail to ISP smarthost other simple stuff (have another box

Re: new home box for secure data storage

2008-10-29 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 09:41:36PM +0100, Almir Karic wrote: On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 04:14:22PM -0400, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: I'll be setting up a new box for the house and I want to use OpenBSD for it, both for its security and since it will be an older box it will run better than

Re: new home box for secure data storage

2008-10-29 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 02:56:53PM -0700, Ted Unangst wrote: I think I want root to be able to mount/access the directories so that the data can be included in a backup set (which is then piped through openssl for encryption) on a file-by-file basis rather than just backing up a

Re: new home box for secure data storage

2008-10-29 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 09:09:20PM -0500, patric conant wrote: I'm confused, the encrypted volume cannot be backed up without a key? Sure, I could backup the encrypted volume. However, I'd rather back the data up as an unencrypted directory along with everything else. I don't know what's

Re: file encrypyion

2008-10-28 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 03:48:25PM +1300, Paul M wrote: I'm looking for a way to encrypy backup files for secure storage. Gpg is an obvious candidate, but I'm wondering if there's anything in base, perhaps a creative use of ssh or some other tool, though not something liable to break,

Re: reliable, dd over simple ip network

2008-10-16 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 09:28:56PM -0700, Neko wrote: since my partitions have 16% free on all systems, i cant tarball the drive sent it to target machine and uncompress, Tarball it up, pipe the output somewhere, eg via ssh (disclaimer: untested; concept only) [tar commands, to stdout] |

Re: Wayyyyyy OT: WAS: RE: small, random essay on performance tuning, was: remove....

2008-06-12 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Sat, Jun 07, 2008 at 12:56:55PM +, Miod Vallat wrote: God is real, unless declared integer. I thought about this for a while. Given that the Spirit of God was upon the waters in Genesis 1, I think it's likely that God is float. Remember, FORTRAN came before Genesis. In the

Re: Are there any Open Source / Free Software vt220 / vt320 / vt400 terminal emulators out there?

2008-06-12 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Fri, Jun 06, 2008 at 10:33:02AM -0700, Jon wrote: o;? I am referring to the old hardware dumb terminals, which had the vt320 standards etc. A client of mine uses a legacy database application that absolutely requires such an emulator (and is using Accuterm right now). A Free Software

Re: Are there any Open Source / Free Software vt220 / vt320 / vt400 terminal emulators out there?

2008-06-12 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Mon, Jun 09, 2008 at 06:56:25PM +, Grumpy wrote: The best VT220 emulator is the underappreciated xterm(1). The s/underappreciated/under appreciated terminal know as xterm, would be more appreciated if they modernized it a little... Anyone who peddles a terminal emulator without

Re: Ethernet card or PCI Express x8 slot

2008-05-24 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 05:40:10PM -0700, David Newman wrote: Any recommendations for an Ethernet card that fits into a PCI Express x8 slot? I didn't see anything specific on the hardware page or in the archives. This is for a Dell CR100 OEM server. The spec sheet mentions the usual two

Re: E450 stuff

2008-05-24 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 10:36:13AM -0400, bofh wrote: On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 8:03 AM, Nick Holland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But man, E450s are big. But I'm sure you have noticed that. :) With lots of NON-LOAD-BEARING stickers all over the power supply handles. As a friend of a friend

Re: Why Perl for pkg_* tools ?

2008-05-24 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 08:06:59AM +0200, Paul de Weerd wrote: On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 07:55:48PM -0500, Adam Patterson wrote: Paul de Weerd wrote: On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 03:23:17PM +, hyjial wrote: Anyway, perl is distributed under the artistic license, yet the pkg-tools are

Re: Why Perl for pkg_* tools ?

2008-05-24 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 07:39:34PM +0200, Marc Espie wrote: A final word. For all you backseat drivers: this is OpenBSD. Those who do the work get to call the shots. In reading the thread, I don't get the impression that anyone is second-guessing just that people thought it an interesting

Re: Why Perl for pkg_* tools ?

2008-05-24 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 04:40:05PM -0400, Jeremy Huiskamp wrote: On 23/05/08 04:21 PM, Han Boetes wrote: Yes but C is written in gcc which is GNU licensed and pkg_utils are written in perl which is a much more libaral language. I really start wondering why the whole of OpenBSD is not rewritten

Re: Debian libssl security (OpenSSH safe?)

2008-05-15 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 12:53:06AM +, Jussi Peltola wrote: On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 05:30:18PM -0700, Ben Calvert wrote: On May 14, 2008, at 5:22 PM, Darrin Chandler wrote: On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 01:45:51AM +0200, raven wrote: do people actually allow remote root access ? for more

Re: ppp adds default route when nobody asks it to

2008-05-15 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 01:20:02PM +0300, Denis Doroshenko wrote: that's it. but when i run ppp and issue dial mobile it connects and adds a default route: $ netstat -rnf inet Routing tables Internet: DestinationGatewayFlags Refs Use Mtu Prio Iface

Re: teTeX

2008-05-09 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Fri, May 09, 2008 at 02:24:56AM -0700, Predrag Punosevac wrote: Olivier Mehani wrote: On Fri, May 09, 2008 at 10:23:46AM +0200, Paul de Weerd wrote: Are you aware of any no_x11 version? I am not sure I understand your last question. How can you do typesetting without displaying

Re: Window Manager

2008-05-05 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Sun, May 04, 2008 at 09:16:06PM -0400, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: On Sun, May 04, 2008 at 09:29:42PM -0300, Gonzalo Lionel Rodriguez wrote: I dont know if it is the place to ask it, but that window manager uses? And why? I don't understand the question. Are you asking what window

[OT] suitability of CF for weekly backups

2008-05-05 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
Can anyone see a problem with using CF cards in a removeable CF/IDE adapter for daily/weekly/monthly backup cycle? Note: not for 30-year archive or anything, just for backup. I'm thinking it would fill the niche between DVDs and a tape drive and not have the throughput requirements for use on an

Re: Window Manager

2008-05-04 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Sun, May 04, 2008 at 09:29:42PM -0300, Gonzalo Lionel Rodriguez wrote: I dont know if it is the place to ask it, but that window manager uses? And why? I don't understand the question. Are you asking what window manager I use? icewm: small, easy to configure, has a taskbar for frequently

Re: Editing C with...

2008-05-03 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Sat, May 03, 2008 at 02:15:19PM -0400, bofh wrote: Real men use ed. No, real men get it right the first time and don't need to edit, they just use echo or something. :) Doug.

Re: Editing C with...

2008-05-03 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Sat, May 03, 2008 at 03:48:36PM -0600, Alvaro Mantilla Gimenez wrote: Real men use.whatever editor is comfortable for them. Vi, vim, emacs, xwpe, anjuta, kdevelop, joe, ed, etcused by a stupid guy does not produce quality code at all. So...try all and choose the most comfortable

Re: Really large drives (was Re: Is there a badblocks-equivalent for OpenBSD?)

2008-04-29 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 09:35:32PM +0200, Louis V. Lambrecht wrote: Yeah! Got a 500Gig eSATA mounted, 6 slices. The problem is not how to address the drive, the problem is to backup all that data. That is, eventually, 4 gig per DVD, or XFS, or a cluster. My main database I can't live

Re: how do I capture dmesg for a failed install??

2008-04-28 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 12:20:16PM +0200, Maximilian-Clemens Anderer wrote: On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 04:41:58PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, How can I capture the dmesg (white on blue text) during a failed install? I would like to capture the message during the install process

Re: Optimising OpenBSD

2008-04-11 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 01:14:49PM +0200, Henning Brauer wrote: * Matthew Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-04-09 01:26]: Optimised out of the box sounds good to me - not having to do anything is the way I like to work ;-) so do we. that's why it is that way :) You do realise that this

Re: USB speed (umass): what should I expect?

2008-04-11 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 08:45:44PM +0200, Jurjen Oskam wrote: Since the harddisk on my laptop was full and I was eager to give 4.3 a spin, I installed in on a USB stick. The read and write performance of the stick was much less than I expected, based on how the stick performs under Linux (on

Re: Optimising OpenBSD

2008-04-09 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Wed, Apr 09, 2008 at 07:55:36AM -0500, Ed Ahlsen-Girard wrote: From: Douglas A. Tutty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you want a book, although its a bit old there's Absolute OpenBSD by nostarch press. A nice book, but it's out of print. It is available as a PDF though. I purchased a copy

Re: Firefox 2.0.0.12

2008-04-08 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Mon, Apr 07, 2008 at 05:20:01PM +, Matthew Szudzik wrote: On Mon, Apr 07, 2008 at 04:44:08PM +, Jacob Meuser wrote: or, quit using firefox. it's security record is rather lousy, wouldn't you agree? What alternatives to firefox do you suggest? On my main desktop, I use debian.

Re: Optimising OpenBSD

2008-04-08 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Tue, Apr 08, 2008 at 11:27:03PM +, Gilles Chehade wrote: On Wed, Apr 09, 2008 at 08:49:38AM +0930, Matthew Smith wrote: Quoth Ted Unangst at 2008-04-09 08:38... Nothing beats an 8 year old article for the latest info. OpenBSD now comes fully optimized out of the box. Yes, I did

Re: configuring the GENERIC kernel (was Re: Issue compiling a program on OpenBSD)

2008-03-31 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 02:58:38PM -0400, scott wrote: I believe it was mentioned aways back in the message stream, but perhaps it's worth reconsidering at this juncture... Keep the low emi/rfi 386 machine user-proximity but convert it to an X server with the more capable X client (app

Re: configuring the GENERIC kernel (was Re: Issue compiling a program on OpenBSD)

2008-03-30 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 01:04:09PM +0300, Lars Nood??n wrote: Douglas A. Tutty wrote: ... Shrinking the kernel would be the only reason I would have of touching the kernel as I'm not into trying out experimental features. It would be too bad if config doesn't do this... Nick Holland

Re: configuring the GENERIC kernel (was Re: Issue compiling a program on OpenBSD)

2008-03-29 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 11:00:01AM +0200, Lars Nood??n wrote: ... using the GENERIC kernel ... 2) One thing that may not be visible enough is that config(8) can be used to modify kernel parameters without needing to recompile. That gives you a fair amount of customization without deviating

Re: RAMdisk, not for boot, how?

2008-03-29 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 01:21:55PM +1100, Rod Whitworth wrote: On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 02:51:33 +0100, chefren wrote: On 3/28/08 1:20 AM, Rod Whitworth wrote: The CF wearout meme needs to die. Specs, it's all about specs, it seems a fact to me that standard CF cards, as used in camera's,

Re: configuring the GENERIC kernel (was Re: Issue compiling a program on OpenBSD)

2008-03-29 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 08:54:05PM +, Jacob Meuser wrote: well no fucking shit, Lars. Now that's something I'd rather not do... :) it was a suggestion.

Re: OpenBSD support of EFI?

2008-03-25 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 08:02:18PM -0700, James Hartley wrote: On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 11:03 AM, Michael Dexter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A system using GRUB may also need to have a root partition of under 512MB in size. A GRUB is a bug after all... Do you have more information regarding

Re: [OT] need 32MB and 64 MB 72-pin SIMMS

2008-03-25 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
Douglas A. Tutty [EMAIL PROTECTED] 25/03/2008 01:07:16 Hello all, Me with my low-MHz project. I have been given a Tyan dual-P-133 motherboard with CPUs but it doesn't have much memory. The board is capable of taking 8 x 64 MB (standard, EDO, or ECC) 72-pin SIMMS, installed

Re: PC Camera?

2008-03-24 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 03:04:13PM +0300, Michael Spratt wrote: And by the way if you have ever used a webcam now days they are no longer pixilated... You must still be living in 1998. Of course you are a real computer user and real computer users don't need webcams because they only need

Re: PC Camera?

2008-03-24 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 01:34:24PM +0100, Pau Amaro-Seoane wrote: ok, I have to apologise. I don't mean to be unpolite but, please understand me: I don't think there exists another OS as OpenBSD. It's unique. I am afraid that the more popular it will become, the more thingies new users

[OT] need 32MB and 64 MB 72-pin SIMMS

2008-03-24 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
Hello all, Me with my low-MHz project. I have been given a Tyan dual-P-133 motherboard with CPUs but it doesn't have much memory. The board is capable of taking 8 x 64 MB (standard, EDO, or ECC) 72-pin SIMMS, installed in pairs. I also have my IBM 486DX4-100 that needs 4 x 32 MB standard

Re: the death of the oldest OpenBSD system on the net...

2008-03-22 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 09:29:57PM -0600, Gordon Klok wrote: On 18-Mar-08, at 5:14 AM, bofh wrote: On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 2:52 AM, Johan Mson Lindman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the key here is that not everything needs to be a 4 cpu quad core with 128Gigs of ram, and not that

Re: BSD Documentation License?

2008-03-22 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Sat, Mar 22, 2008 at 04:37:51PM +0200, Lars Nood??n wrote: If no copyright statement is provided with the work, then the default is restriction on re-redistribution, etc. As said above, I a) want to specify otherwise, and What specifically do you want to permit? This is the rub where

Re: The REAL reason we use OpenBSD

2008-03-16 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Sat, Mar 15, 2008 at 04:08:25PM -0700, Ray Percival wrote: On Mar 15, 2008, at 14:48, Genadijus Paleckis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://blog.anamazingmind.com/2008/03/real-reason-we-use-linux.html oh, and before you started to read, to be more comfortable just do s/ linux/openbsd/g

USB PCI card to buy: Belkin F5U220?

2008-03-12 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
I have a new-to-me dual P-133 Tyan board with 4 PCI slots and some ISA slots. (see my low-MHz server thread) I'll be wanting to add USB to it. Checking Belkin's website, their current card is part# F5U220v1, Hi-Speed USB 2.0 5-Port PCI Card. I don't see it listed in the 4.2 install.i386.

Re: Singularity OS

2008-03-07 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Fri, Mar 07, 2008 at 06:56:24AM -0600, Marco Peereboom wrote: On Fri, Mar 07, 2008 at 12:19:03PM +0100, Die Gestalt wrote: Having a kernel with managed code is not necessarily idiotic (although I think in most cases smart pointers do the job better). Love the marketing lingo managed

Re: OpenBSD storage server

2008-03-07 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Fri, Mar 07, 2008 at 09:38:18AM -0500, RS wrote: On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 8:39 PM, Douglas A. Tutty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Upon which will you be backing your data (isn't English wonderful). What will you be using for backup for the 1TB of data? Remember, raid only protects against

Re: [OFFTOPIC] Naming convention for programs

2008-03-07 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Fri, Mar 07, 2008 at 03:29:00PM -0600, Gerardo Santana G?mez Garrido wrote: We're writing a set of tools at work and I'm thinking of establishing a naming convention to enforce, before we get more programs deployed. I was thinking of verb-subject, or verb_subject, or viceversa. As

Re: OpenBSD storage server

2008-03-06 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Thu, Mar 06, 2008 at 01:41:43PM -0500, RS wrote: looking at either a couple of Samsung 750GB spinpoint's or the 1TB Seagate Barracuda. Only based on my personal experience, I keep boxes around forever (or at least until gcc stops supporting them) so I keep drives until they die of old age.

Re: floppy.fs

2008-03-05 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Tue, Mar 04, 2008 at 11:22:11PM -0700, Paul Greidanus wrote: I'm just wondering how many people out there are using the floppy.fs installer still? I'm wondering if it would be a worthwhile thought to expand past the 1.44Mb limit for the CD and .rd install options if there are features

Re: OT: fully interconnect switches: interesting problem

2008-02-25 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 04:36:46PM -0800, Matthew Dempsky wrote: On 2/24/08, bofh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Probably broadcast storm. Fastest way to fix the problem - single connect your switches, and don't loop the last back to the first. He explained in his post that the multiple

Re: Projector/external monitor not working on OpenBSD 4.2-current on Thinkpad X60

2008-02-22 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 05:15:08PM +0530, Amarendra Godbole wrote: On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 8:40 PM, Douglas A. Tutty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When you boot the laptop, go into the bios (just to prevent booting). Have the external monitor attached. Hit your key combo and you should get

Re: FOSDEM 23/24 Feb Brussels

2008-02-22 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 08:28:15AM -0700, Diana Eichert wrote: On Fri, 22 Feb 2008, Miod Vallat wrote: Real flemish only sounds correct if altitude is close to or (preferrably) below the sea level, though. I hear drinking mass quantities of beer gets you close or below sea level too.

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-22 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 07:43:05PM +, Jacob Meuser wrote: On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 03:01:40PM +0100, Marc Espie wrote: On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 04:18:42PM +0100, Miod Vallat wrote: SO now do you want FireEngine? Or rather SMPng networking? Or would you like

Re: Projector/external monitor not working on OpenBSD 4.2-current on Thinkpad X60

2008-02-21 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 03:41:30PM +0530, Amarendra Godbole wrote: I am unable to move the display to a projector or an external monitor on my Thinkpad X60, which is running OpenBSD 4.2-current. Fn-F7 is the keycombination to be used to switch displays, but it does not work. Now, I am not too

Re: There's something about OpenBSD...

2008-02-21 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 07:26:29PM -0500, Jason Dixon wrote: On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 06:15:32PM -0500, Nick Bender wrote: On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 5:08 PM, Jussi Peltola [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Never used -r so I'm not sure what the output looks like but how about: find . -type f

Re: Cold Boot Attacks on Encryption Keys

2008-02-21 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 02:41:40AM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course there many kinds of attack but if somebody shutdowns your box and reads the infos from your memory there's something we can do about it: Overwriting Well my oppinion is still: If you modify the libs so that a

Re: take threads off the table

2008-02-20 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 10:14:14AM +0100, Artur Grabowski wrote: Geoff Steckel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Any argument to experience must be from similar actual implementations using threads and another model, such as multiple processes with interprocess communications. Sure. I'll pick

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-19 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Tue, Feb 19, 2008 at 11:39:50AM +0100, Zbigniew Baniewski wrote: On Tue, Feb 19, 2008 at 09:07:50AM +0100, Alexander Hall wrote: The suggestion about installing packages into /whatever is fine if stated as a suggestion and/or question. I do not agree, but still I think the question

Re: OT: supposed advantages of threads

2008-02-18 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Mon, Feb 18, 2008 at 01:26:41PM -0500, Geoff Steckel wrote: This is my last posting on this, take heart. The threads advocates have never specified any advantages of a program written using that model (multiple execution points in a single image) over a multiple process model, assuming

Re: OT: supposed advantages of threads

2008-02-18 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Mon, Feb 18, 2008 at 02:50:15PM -0600, Matthew Weigel wrote: Douglas A. Tutty wrote: I suppose if I had a 16-core quad-socket Opteron board and needed to make the box into one giant firewall with 10 Gbit NICs, I'd be disappointed that the kernel only ran on one of the cores. OpenBSD

Re: take threads off the table

2008-02-18 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Mon, Feb 18, 2008 at 04:22:42PM -0500, Chris Rapier wrote: As Ben said - we aren't wedded to the idea of threads. They were a useful path to take in order to prove the usefulness of some sort of parallelization in OpenSSH. I think we've proved its usefulness (and believe it or not, a lot

Re: [OT] beefy steel cases

2008-02-12 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Mon, Feb 11, 2008 at 11:55:52PM -0500, Steve Shockley wrote: Jay Hart wrote: Yes, I too at one time bought a huge case. Has 10 5.25 bays. Only problem is that you can't use all of them due to cable length limitations. Multiple controllers? Onboard IDE controller (pri and sec interface)

Re: [OT] beefy steel cases

2008-02-11 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Mon, Feb 11, 2008 at 08:01:35PM -0500, Steve Shockley wrote: Yes, I too at one time bought a huge case. Has 10 5.25 bays. Only problem is that you can't use all of them due to cable length limitations. Multiple controllers? I have one of these, http://calpc.com/catalog/mid_tower.html,

Re: [OT] beefy steel cases

2008-02-11 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Mon, Feb 11, 2008 at 12:37:59PM -0700, Steve B wrote: I have one of these, http://calpc.com/catalog/mid_tower.html, and its quite beefy. I wonder if you could measure two things for me: 1. The thickness of the steel panels (not of any structural frame). I'm comparing these with norco

Re: amd64 - bootloader and BIOS see 16gb ram, kernel does not

2008-02-11 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Mon, Feb 11, 2008 at 02:04:20PM -0800, Mike Larkin wrote: 8-way amd64 (Intel quad Xeon x 2) with 16GB ram. The BIOS and bootloader correctly see all 16gb, but the kernel only sees 4.00GB (a very non-random amount, indicating to me an artificial limit is being imposed somewhere). Just for

[OT] beefy steel cases

2008-02-09 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
hello, Me again with my project. Some people off-list have found me some low-MHz computers and will mail me the boards with CPU + memory etc. One is a Tyan dual Pentium {133|166}. Now I'm looking for a great case in which to mount it (them?). Starting with wikipedia on EMR shielding, and

Re: [OT] beefy steel cases

2008-02-09 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Sat, Feb 09, 2008 at 01:23:51PM -0500, bofh wrote: If aesthetics is not important, a very good question to ask is - how good are you with power tools? Else, heavy steel boxes are expensive to ship :) Well, perhaps I could make/find/whatever a steel tub with a lid (or an old safe) :) in

Re: [OT] beefy steel cases

2008-02-09 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Sat, Feb 09, 2008 at 02:59:32PM -0500, John E.P. Hynes wrote: Douglas A. Tutty wrote: The 2U and 4U rackmount Antec cases I've used in the past can be used with only internal drives. The front panel door (and chassis slot covers) are vented with small holes. I guess what would

Re: [OT] beefy steel cases

2008-02-09 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Sat, Feb 09, 2008 at 09:15:12PM +0100, chefren wrote: On 2/9/08 8:38 PM, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: Who makes a solid, steel case that doesn't cover up large holes with plastic stuff? http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/typhoon/ Yes, that would make a high-quality faraday cage

Re: gotchas for old Proliants

2008-02-08 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Thu, Feb 07, 2008 at 11:24:14PM -0500, Nick Holland wrote: I've warned you about a lot of them, you ignored that, but for some reason I feel obligated to try one more time. I just hate to see people do things like this to themselves (and I want to be able to say, No, not interested in

Re: Hot spare synchronisation?

2008-02-08 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Fri, Feb 08, 2008 at 08:48:30PM +0100, Matt wrote: Alexander Hall schreef: Marti Martinez wrote: Do the rsync over SSH -- unless you don't allow root ssh access? I think that was the solution Matt tried to avoid. I suppose he does not seem confident with (automated) root access/logins

Re: gotchas for old Proliants

2008-02-08 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Fri, Feb 08, 2008 at 11:23:32PM +0100, ropers wrote: On 08/02/2008, Douglas A. Tutty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However, I suppose that some things internally would be on the EISA bus (e.g. keyboard, floppy drive). Huh? The FDC and PS/2 ports are on the EISA bus? confused / My only

Re: gotchas for old Proliants

2008-02-08 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Fri, Feb 08, 2008 at 03:03:31PM -0800, Lord Sporkton wrote: All i can say is that i have a 1850R and a 5000, both of which run wonderfully so far with OpenBSD, the 1850 is duel pII 450 and the 5000 is quad pII 400, havent had a single problem so far. Did you have any trouble getting the

Re: Inexpensive networking.

2008-02-07 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Thu, Feb 07, 2008 at 08:10:21AM -0800, Unix Fan wrote: I/Unixfan wrote: such a speed the ISA bus can't even achieve. Apologies, While the rest of what I said was true.. this clearly wasn't. The ISA bus should be able to accomplish 10Mbit+ speeds.. -Nix Fan. So you're saying 'Nix

Re: multi-disk external scsi enclosures

2008-02-07 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Thu, Feb 07, 2008 at 10:31:43AM -0600, Daniel A. Ramaley wrote: On Wednesday 06 February 2008 22:38, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: Since this will be for a low-MHz box, it's BIOS probably won't like large drives either. That means SCSI. If the boxes aren't great or have room or provide cooling

Re: running mail server at home

2008-02-07 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Thu, Feb 07, 2008 at 02:51:31AM -0800, Chris wrote: I have a P3 box with 120GB HDD that's doing web, ssh and samba at the moment. I am planning setup sendmail, spamd, mimedefang, clamd and spam-assassin on this box along with web, ssh and samba. I was wondering if anyone has any

Re: multi-disk external scsi enclosures

2008-02-07 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Thu, Feb 07, 2008 at 07:20:00AM -0500, Nick Holland wrote: Douglas A. Tutty wrote: On Wed, Feb 06, 2008 at 10:56:41PM -0500, bofh wrote: On Feb 6, 2008 10:45 AM, Douglas A. Tutty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] Well, for example, I have two boxes where I'm using IDE (the third box

Re: multi-disk external scsi enclosures

2008-02-07 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Thu, Feb 07, 2008 at 01:52:35AM -0500, bofh wrote: On Feb 6, 2008 11:38 PM, Douglas A. Tutty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm pretty sure the IBM dual Pentium Pro 200Mhz that I tossed away (2 of them!) could take hard drives bigger than 2G, and I want to say, bigger than 10G, so it really

Re: Server room temperature sensors

2008-02-07 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Thu, Feb 07, 2008 at 04:07:18PM +0200, Antti Harri wrote: On Wed, 6 Feb 2008, Dustin Lundquist wrote: In the past I've used Enviromux devices, polling them via SNMP with MRTG. http://www.networktechinc.com/enviro-mini.htm You mean http://www.networktechinc.com/enviro-mini.html ? Quite

gotchas for old Proliants

2008-02-07 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
Hello again. In my search for low-MHz machines, at least on eBay, I find lots of old Compaq Proliants (all around the $300 mark by the way). E.g: 4500R: P-133, 1 GB ram, no drives, $249. HP doesn't have on their website the owner's manuals for these old boxes, but they do have the

Re: multi-disk external scsi enclosures

2008-02-06 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Wed, Feb 06, 2008 at 07:12:55AM -0500, Nick Holland wrote: Douglas A. Tutty wrote: I'm wondering how scsi external arrays work in OpenBSD. This is in relation to my low-MHz box search. Sata drives have too fast a clock rate so it will be scsi. Are you speculating, or have you

Re: multi-disk external scsi enclosures

2008-02-06 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Wed, Feb 06, 2008 at 06:48:54AM +0100, ropers wrote: On 06/02/2008, Douglas A. Tutty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm wondering how scsi external arrays work in OpenBSD. This is in relation to my low-MHz box search. Sata drives have too fast a clock rate so it will be scsi. Why

Re: Inexpensive networking.

2008-02-06 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Wed, Feb 06, 2008 at 07:28:01PM -0700, Sherwood Botsford wrote: HOWEVER, these switches are dying like flies at a RAID show. I've had 5 of them die in the last 3 months. (I also use them in classrooms -- Overkill, for 3-4 computers in a classroom, but, as I said, the price is right.)

Re: multi-disk external scsi enclosures

2008-02-06 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Wed, Feb 06, 2008 at 09:54:05PM -0500, Steve Shockley wrote: Douglas A. Tutty wrote: What about a Compaq Proliant 2500R on eBay for $300? max 1 GB ram, 1 PCI bus over 6 slots, dual Pentium Pro 166 MHz 4 bays + 2 1/2 height bays (for media) + CDROM and floppy A 2500R for $300

Re: Inexpensive networking.

2008-02-06 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Wed, Feb 06, 2008 at 10:20:44PM -0500, Steve Shockley wrote: Douglas A. Tutty wrote: Put one in each classroom and run 100 MB/s to the upstream server and configure the desktops to only link at 10 MB/s Why force them at 10? Well, I've never had high-speed internet and I get along just

Re: Inexpensive networking.

2008-02-06 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Wed, Feb 06, 2008 at 08:03:57PM -0800, Chris Kuethe wrote: On Feb 6, 2008 7:57 PM, Douglas A. Tutty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Better to throttle the student's desktop than to throttle the student. :) You don't know the students I went there. Ok, then forget Cat5e. Fibre will make

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