Re: Lenovo notebooks

2006-11-01 Thread stuartv
Why do you continue to work there? Sorry, I just left that sort of environment and have been kicking myself for not leaving earlier. -Damian Dude, have you looked at the job market lately? Especially for a beginner OpenBSD admin with a 2 year degree and only a couple years experiance. Where I

Re: Lenovo notebooks

2006-10-31 Thread Damian Wiest
On Thu, Oct 26, 2006 at 10:57:27PM +0200, ropers wrote: On 26/10/06, stuartv [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/26/06, Johan P. Lindstrvm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You should really get yours too, not buying the CD's will not improve the hardware support now will it? The way it works here

Re: Lenovo notebooks

2006-10-30 Thread Laurence Tratt
On Sun, Oct 29, 2006 at 11:44:41AM +0100, Jonathan Thornburg wrote: The main thing I've found which doesn't work at all well is sending video to the external video connector to drive a projector for conference presentations. The usual tricks like changing the X resolution (with 'xrandr') and

Re: Contributing and Shame [Was: Lenovo notebooks?]

2006-10-30 Thread Breen Ouellette
Otto Moerbeek wrote: On Sat, 28 Oct 2006, Breen Ouellette wrote: I honestly do not know as I do not have access to the size of the user base nor the financial needs of the project. If 5000 users gave $100 per year to the project that would be half a million dollars. Are there 5000 users? Is

Re: Contributing and Shame [Was: Lenovo notebooks?]

2006-10-30 Thread Tobias Weingartner
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Breen Ouellette wrote: I feel that if the user base can meet the financial needs of the project then the user base is doing its part. Unfortunately, I know of several people who use OpenBSD that will never send in a flat penny. These are the same people

Re: Contributing and Shame [Was: Lenovo notebooks?]

2006-10-30 Thread Breen Ouellette
Tobias Weingartner wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Breen Ouellette wrote: I feel that if the user base can meet the financial needs of the project then the user base is doing its part. Unfortunately, I know of several people who use OpenBSD that will never send in a flat penny.

Re: Contributing and Shame [Was: Lenovo notebooks?]

2006-10-29 Thread Otto Moerbeek
On Sat, 28 Oct 2006, Breen Ouellette wrote: Eliah Kagan wrote: That would still be most OpenBSD users, wouldn't it? I honestly do not know as I do not have access to the size of the user base nor the financial needs of the project. If 5000 users gave $100 per year to the project that

Re: Lenovo notebooks

2006-10-29 Thread Jonathan Thornburg
In http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=openbsd-miscm=116184662612115w=1, martin g op3nbsdlist () gmail ! com asks Has anyone got experience with Lenovo notebooks running OpenBSD. If you are so kind to share your experience. I'm using a Thinkpad T43p (2GB memory, 100GB disk) with 3.9-stable

Re: Lenovo notebooks

2006-10-29 Thread Greg Thomas
On 10/29/06, Jonathan Thornburg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=openbsd-miscm=116184662612115w=1, martin g op3nbsdlist () gmail ! com asks Has anyone got experience with Lenovo notebooks running OpenBSD. If you are so kind to share your experience. I'm using

Re: Lenovo notebooks

2006-10-28 Thread Eliah Kagan
On 10/27/06, Breen Ouellette wrote: I think your statement may be a little too broad. Not everyone who avoids the CDs deserves shame. It's the people who only take from the project, and never give back in kind for the high value that they have received, who should feel ashamed. That would

Contributing and Shame [Was: Lenovo notebooks?]

2006-10-28 Thread Breen Ouellette
Eliah Kagan wrote: That would still be most OpenBSD users, wouldn't it? I honestly do not know as I do not have access to the size of the user base nor the financial needs of the project. If 5000 users gave $100 per year to the project that would be half a million dollars. Are there 5000

Re: Contributing and Shame [Was: Lenovo notebooks?]

2006-10-28 Thread Eliah Kagan
On 10/28/06, Breen Ouellette wrote: The shame enters the picture when you place expectations for additional output from the people giving freely. I see people griping all the time for this or that feature, or support for this or that hardware. I see this from people who contribute nothing and

Re: Contributing and Shame [Was: Lenovo notebooks?]

2006-10-28 Thread Breen Ouellette
Eliah Kagan wrote: On 10/28/06, Breen Ouellette wrote: The shame enters the picture when you place expectations for additional output from the people giving freely. I see people griping all the time for this or that feature, or support for this or that hardware. I see this from people who

Re: Contributing and Shame [Was: Lenovo notebooks?]

2006-10-28 Thread Eliah Kagan
On 10/28/06, Breen Ouellette wrote: That same behaviour of expecting magic fixes, if it were applied to a larger community like that of North America (sorry if you aren't from this continent), would not be shameful in the least. People in North American culture whine and complain for fixes from

Re: Contributing and Shame [Was: Lenovo notebooks?]

2006-10-28 Thread ropers
On 29/10/06, Breen Ouellette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't feel that Linux users whining and complaining about 'missing' (aka unnecessary, superfluous) features is shameful behaviour because it seems to be expected behaviour in these communities, or at least segments of these communities.

Re: Lenovo notebooks

2006-10-27 Thread Breen Ouellette
Johan P. Lindstrvm wrote: Shame on everyone who dont buy their CD's. Try it out from a local FTP and when the time comes, twice a year so far, get your release on CD, plenty of nice stickers and the artwork is always amazing. I never buy the CDs because I don't have a use for them. I agree

Lenovo notebooks

2006-10-26 Thread martin g
Hello all Has anyone got experience with Lenovo notebooks running OpenBSD. If you are so kind to share your experience. tnx.

Re: Lenovo notebooks

2006-10-26 Thread Andreas Kahari
On 26/10/06, martin g [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello all Has anyone got experience with Lenovo notebooks running OpenBSD. If you are so kind to share your experience. http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=openbsd-miscs=lenovo -- Andreas Kahari Somewhere in the general Cambridge area, UK

Re: Lenovo notebooks

2006-10-26 Thread Kian Mohageri
On 10/26/06, Andreas Kahari [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 26/10/06, martin g [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello all Has anyone got experience with Lenovo notebooks running OpenBSD. If you are so kind to share your experience. I have a Thinkpad T43 running an OpenBSD snapshot at the moment

Re: Lenovo notebooks

2006-10-26 Thread Didier Wiroth
- Original Message - From: martin g Date: Thursday, October 26, 2006 9:10 Subject: Lenovo notebooks To: misc@openbsd.org Hello all Has anyone got experience with Lenovo notebooks running OpenBSD. If you are so kind to share your experience. tnx. Hello, I'm using a thinkpad x60s

Re: Lenovo notebooks

2006-10-26 Thread Matt Kolb
martin g writes: Hello all Has anyone got experience with Lenovo notebooks running OpenBSD. If you are so kind to share your experience. I recently got my hands on a Z61T which is pretty nice. The functionality that I require works, though it is lacking the power managament functions

Re: Lenovo notebooks

2006-10-26 Thread Johan P. Lindström
* ThinkPad Z60 * ThinkPad R50 * Dell D600 Ethernet works on all (most often its a fxp0 on ThinkPads), wifi on some, pcmcia card with wifi works great. -- Johan On 10/26/06, martin g [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello all Has anyone got experience with Lenovo notebooks running OpenBSD. If you are so kind

Re: Lenovo notebooks

2006-10-26 Thread bofh
On 10/26/06, Johan P. Lindstrvm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You should really get yours too, not buying the CD's will not improve the hardware support now will it? The way it works here is boss, I need to buy an openbsd license for each openbsd box we run. It's $50 each, + shipping. Sign here

Re: Lenovo notebooks

2006-10-26 Thread stuartv
On 10/26/06, Johan P. Lindstrvm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You should really get yours too, not buying the CD's will not improve the hardware support now will it? The way it works here is boss, I need to buy an openbsd license for each openbsd box we run. It's $50 each, + shipping. Sign here

Re: Lenovo notebooks

2006-10-26 Thread ropers
On 26/10/06, stuartv [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/26/06, Johan P. Lindstrvm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You should really get yours too, not buying the CD's will not improve the hardware support now will it? The way it works here is boss, I need to buy an openbsd license for each openbsd box

Re: Lenovo notebooks

2006-10-26 Thread Sam Fourman Jr.
I Just bought a Lenovo 3000 N100 768 DKU most everything works fine however this notebook has a Intel Core Duo and the networking hardware times out on the bsd.mp kernel I JUST posted a message with both dmesg's to the misc list Sam Fourman Jr. On 10/26/06, ropers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On