Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words

2007-09-14 Thread Paul de Weerd
On Thu, Sep 13, 2007 at 10:25:44PM +0100, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: | | While it may be seen as distateful to make modifications to BSD-licensed | | code, and place those modifications under the GPL or a similar share | | alike license, based upon what I understand of copyright law, it's |

Re: OpenBSD Install Goal

2007-09-14 Thread Sam Fourman Jr.
On 9/14/07, Karl Sjvdahl - dunceor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/14/07, Bob Beck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hope one day soon OpenBSD will adopt a nice ncurses setup similar to something like FreeBSD with ease to it. for what my opinion is worth, I kinda like the OpenBSD installer the way it

FAQ on install ISO

2007-09-14 Thread Chris
I was wondering whether this - http://openbsd.org/faq/faq3.html#ISO - FAQ entry should be changed as OpenBSD now does provide ISO for base install?

Re: FAQ on install ISO

2007-09-14 Thread Otto Moerbeek
On Fri, 14 Sep 2007, Chris wrote: I was wondering whether this - http://openbsd.org/faq/faq3.html#ISO - FAQ entry should be changed as OpenBSD now does provide ISO for base install? Not until those are actually released. -Otto

Re: OpenBSD Install Goal

2007-09-14 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2007/09/14 12:55, Edwards, David (JTS) wrote: Have you ever tried to do an install of FreeBSD/Linux using a 9600 serial console? Oh thanks, I'd been trying to erase that from memory (-: FreeBSD, 9600 serial, PXE boot. Took the best part of a day...

Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words

2007-09-14 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 08:12:55AM +0200, Paul de Weerd wrote: On Thu, Sep 13, 2007 at 10:25:44PM +0100, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: | | While it may be seen as distateful to make modifications to BSD-licensed | | code, and place those modifications under the GPL or a similar share | |

Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words

2007-09-14 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 01:29:43AM +0200, Reiner Jung wrote: what have this to do with Microsoft? I assume nothing. Don't let us mix up this topic. It's an adaptation of an expression, it means don't bother me, go see if I'm at (someplace I definitely am not). The question here is not

Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words

2007-09-14 Thread Craig Skinner
Nick Holland wrote: Shawn K. Quinn wrote: On Thu, 2007-09-13 at 07:09 -0400, Nick Holland wrote: GNUspeak: These are definitely not the views of the GNU project. They *might* be views of the self-styled Linux nerds that think they are k00l and eleet because they read Slashdot, but to imply

Re: serial port usage

2007-09-14 Thread Jason McIntyre
On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 09:40:44AM +0200, Raimo Niskanen wrote: Can someone clarify the difference between /dev/tty00 and /dev/cua00? to some extent these are documented in tty(4). jmc

Re: serial port usage

2007-09-14 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2007/09/14 09:40, Raimo Niskanen wrote: But for local non-modem connect you want to use tip tty00 that uses /dev/tty00, direct connect, no phone number. I use cu -l cua00. Can someone clarify the difference between /dev/tty00 and /dev/cua00? tty(4) explains all.

Re: serial port usage

2007-09-14 Thread Henning Brauer
* Daniel Ouellet [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-09-14 07:02]: As we are on the subject and I do not want to deviate from the original question, I would however appreciate suggestions as to how I can have a one server witch can actually have up to 32 serial console to control LOM on Sun server. I

Re: OpenBSD Install Goal

2007-09-14 Thread Fergus Wilde
On Friday 14 September 2007 06:15, you wrote: Marco Peereboom wrote: I installed FreeBSD once in my life. Took me 3 tries and I am sure some kittens were murdered in the process. I am also pretty sure I wept at some point. Honestly I can't remember a much worse installer; maybe SCO

Re: OpenBSD Install Goal

2007-09-14 Thread Craig Skinner
Bob Beck wrote: I hope one day soon OpenBSD will adopt a nice ncurses setup similar to something like FreeBSD with ease to it. As OpenBSD grows there simply is no reason, or logic to keeping around such an archaic method of installation it now uses. You no likey, you no usey! Please

Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words

2007-09-14 Thread Marc Espie
On Thu, Sep 13, 2007 at 07:48:46AM -0500, Marco Peereboom wrote: I have to point out that I have been told on this list by a GPL fan that the dictionary definition of freedom isn't correct. He was so friendly to ask me who the hell I was to tell him what freedom means. Freedom for him did

Re: serial port usage

2007-09-14 Thread Craig Skinner
Darren Spruell wrote: For the scenario where you have two openbsd hosts, one connected to the second with a serial null modem cable, what is the right device to use when connecting using tip(1) from the first to a console on the second? This works very well for me on i386; 2 null modem

Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words

2007-09-14 Thread Craig Skinner
Daniel Ouellet wrote: Look to me if a corporation wanted to kill the open source, they couldn't pick a better way to do it and here the GPL is walking right into it! Or may be some guys are well paid to create the problem and destroy from inside what they can't kill from outside. Off

Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words

2007-09-14 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 04:53:23AM -0400, Tony Abernethy wrote: GNU GENERAL PUBLIC LICENSE Version 2, June 1991 Copyright (C) 1989, 1991 Free Software Foundation, Inc. 675 Mass Ave, Cambridge, MA 02139, USA Everyone is permitted to copy and

Re: serial port usage

2007-09-14 Thread Craig Skinner
Henning Brauer wrote: there are multiport usb-serial adapters. and of course you can use multiple of them. This may be really really stupid, but for Mac minis that have no serial ports listed in their dmesg (e.g: http://erdelynet.com/tech/openbsd/openbsd-on-intel-mac-mini/) could you use

Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words

2007-09-14 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 11:49:33AM +0200, Paul de Weerd wrote: | I don't establish *anything*. It's in the preamble. Your exact words are that's in the preamble, which establishes the spirit (I left them in my reply so you can see for yourself). So the spirit is established. I can play

Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words

2007-09-14 Thread Paul de Weerd
On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 08:42:13AM +0100, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: | | 1. that's in the preamble, which establishes the spirit | | 2. 4 paragraphs below you read: | | | | The precise terms and conditions for copying, distribution and | | modification follow. | | | | 3. later on

Re: OpenBSD Install Goal

2007-09-14 Thread Paul de Weerd
On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 08:36:11AM +0100, Stuart Henderson wrote: | On 2007/09/14 12:55, Edwards, David (JTS) wrote: | Have you ever tried to do an install of FreeBSD/Linux using a 9600 | serial console? | | Oh thanks, I'd been trying to erase that from memory (-: | FreeBSD, 9600 serial, PXE

Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words

2007-09-14 Thread Tony Abernethy
Daft? Nobody here defended that (the GPL)? Are you tweedledee or tweedledum? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rui Miguel Silva Seabra Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 4:33 AM To: Tony Abernethy Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED];

Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words

2007-09-14 Thread Jeroen Massar
Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 11:49:33AM +0200, Paul de Weerd wrote: | I don't establish *anything*. It's in the preamble. Your exact words are that's in the preamble, which establishes the spirit (I left them in my reply so you can see for yourself). So the spirit

Re: serial port usage

2007-09-14 Thread Paul de Weerd
On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 11:16:46AM +0100, Craig Skinner wrote: | Henning Brauer wrote: | there are multiport usb-serial adapters. and of course you can use | multiple of them. | | | This may be really really stupid, but for Mac minis that have no serial | ports listed in their dmesg (e.g: |

Divide and conquer (was Re: Wasting our Freedom)

2007-09-14 Thread Lars Noodén
Nice troll. There are some valid points. It is in this case that the interaction between the different open source licensing groups does *still* after all these years need to be smoothed out. However, keep in mind that 1) a license is simply another tool 2) some[1] outside FOSS

Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words

2007-09-14 Thread Tony Abernethy
No, according to your last email copncerning the introduction to the GPL, the purpose is to make people daft and unsorted. Are you Tweedledee or Tweedledum? Please sort yourself. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rui Miguel Silva

Re: tpb and tphdisk assistance

2007-09-14 Thread Don Scott
On 5/28/07, joshua stein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have tpb set to run as a daemon from ~/.xinitrc. The volume mute/down/up buttons work, but none of the Fn buttons do except for the thinklight. On-screen display also does not work. Is this something I can fix with a simple configuration

Re: OpenBSD Install Goal

2007-09-14 Thread Pau Amaro-Seoane
Please don't touch the installer. It's just perfect. I have tried tons of different unix/linux OS's before I saw The Light and, pay attention, NONE of them was as reliable/robust/quick as OpenBSD's And guess... FreeBSD is getting a graphical installer:

Re: OpenBSD Install Goal

2007-09-14 Thread Pau Amaro-Seoane
PS: From http://wiki.freebsd.org/finstall/Amnesiac the novice track, meaning as little interaction with the user as possible This is what I meant... 2007/9/14, Pau Amaro-Seoane [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Please don't touch the installer. It's just perfect. I have tried tons of different unix/linux

Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words

2007-09-14 Thread Sebastien Carlier
Rui, On 2007-09-14 11:13:11, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: The spirit of the GNU GPL is to maintain freedom for all users. You don't seem to get the fact that the BSD license is *more free* than the GPL because the BSD license imposes *fewer requirements* on distribution. Do you seriously

Re: serial port usage

2007-09-14 Thread Craig Skinner
Paul de Weerd wrote: I'm afraid not. It must be a real serial port, supported by the BIOS and all that stuff. You can run a getty on a USB-serial adapter, but console must be the real thing. That makes perfect sense with the BIOS, thanks!

Re: Definition of the major number under OpenBSD

2007-09-14 Thread João Salvatti
Thanks Theo, my pseudo device works! On 9/13/07, Theo de Raadt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In which OpenBSD file do I define the major number for devices (both regular and pseudo-device)? I have searched in several sources, and the closest answer was for NetBSD, which says that major numbers

Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words

2007-09-14 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 11:27:51AM +0100, Jeroen Massar wrote: Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 11:49:33AM +0200, Paul de Weerd wrote: | I don't establish *anything*. It's in the preamble. Your exact words are that's in the preamble, which establishes the spirit (I

Re: Wasting our Freedom (WAKE UP PEOPLE)

2007-09-14 Thread Jason Dixon
On Sep 14, 2007, at 5:33 AM, Lars Noodin wrote: Nice troll. There are some valid points. It is in this case that the interaction between the different open source licensing groups does *still* after all these years need to be smoothed out. This has little to do with the community and

Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words

2007-09-14 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 11:39:10AM +, Sebastien Carlier wrote: Rui, On 2007-09-14 11:13:11, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: The spirit of the GNU GPL is to maintain freedom for all users. You don't seem to get the fact that the BSD license is *more free* than the GPL because the BSD

Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words

2007-09-14 Thread Tony Abernethy
I stopped and thought. You are confused. All your issues are confused. My insane opinion is much more valid than yours. Are you Tweedledee or Tweedledum? Do you even know who you are? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rui Miguel Silva

Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words

2007-09-14 Thread Tony Abernethy
Actually I do get the point that you are not talking about. In my point of view, the GPL has NOT kept you from being a social failure. You are what you see --- I sincerely hope not. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rui Miguel Silva

Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words

2007-09-14 Thread Sebastien Carlier
On 2007-09-14 12:24:25, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 12:24:25 +0100 From: Rui Miguel Silva Seabra [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Sebastien Carlier [EMAIL PROTECTED], Paul de Weerd [EMAIL PROTECTED], misc@openbsd.org, Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:

Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words

2007-09-14 Thread Paul de Weerd
On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 12:24:25PM +0100, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: | On 2007-09-14 11:13:11, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: | | The spirit of the GNU GPL is to maintain freedom for all users. | | You don't seem to get the fact that the BSD license is *more free* | than the GPL

Re: OpenBSD Install Goal

2007-09-14 Thread Woodchuck
On Thu, 13 Sep 2007, Marco Peereboom wrote: I installed FreeBSD once in my life. Took me 3 tries and I am sure some kittens were murdered in the process. I am also pretty sure I wept at some point. Honestly I can't remember a much worse installer; maybe SCO OpenServer but not by much. Me

Re: : serial port usage

2007-09-14 Thread Raimo Niskanen
Thank you! On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 09:05:06AM +0100, Jason McIntyre wrote: On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 09:40:44AM +0200, Raimo Niskanen wrote: Can someone clarify the difference between /dev/tty00 and /dev/cua00? to some extent these are documented in tty(4). jmc -- / Raimo Niskanen,

Re: Strange Lock-ups with Opera?

2007-09-14 Thread Celso Fernandes
I'm not using GENERIC.MP and Firefox freezes with the flash plugin.. But I really don't know if the problem is the flash plugin, I tried getting one at adobe site, latest firefox and firefox crashes when I enter some page that has no flash media. (firefox running with linux binary emulation :) I'm

Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words

2007-09-14 Thread Siju George
On 9/14/07, Nick Holland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shawn K. Quinn wrote: On Thu, 2007-09-13 at 07:09 -0400, Nick Holland wrote: GNUspeak: These are definitely not the views of the GNU project. They *might* be views of the self-styled Linux nerds that think they are k00l and eleet

Re: OpenBSD Install Goal

2007-09-14 Thread bofh
On 9/13/07, Jason Dixon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't. The OpenBSD installer is a very underrated part of the overall user experience. What other OS can you install in 3 minutes flat? Keep it simple, stupid. Oh noes, you don't understand. See, I have a shaggy dog tale that demonstrates

Re: OpenBSD Install Goal

2007-09-14 Thread bofh
On 9/14/07, Craig Skinner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To stay informed of new features, please supply your support contract number on the page http://www.openbsd.org/update-me-when-stuff-is-done/ Unfortunately, 404 compliant. -- This officer's men seem to follow him merely out of idle curiosity.

Re: serial port usage

2007-09-14 Thread Christian Weisgerber
Daniel Ouellet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As we are on the subject and I do not want to deviate from the original question, I would however appreciate suggestions as to how I can have a one server witch can actually have up to 32 serial console to control LOM on Sun server. I may need up to

Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words

2007-09-14 Thread Bob Beck
* Craig Skinner [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-09-14 02:58]: Daniel Ouellet wrote: Look to me if a corporation wanted to kill the open source, they couldn't pick a better way to do it and here the GPL is walking right into it! Or may be some guys are well paid to create the problem and destroy

IPSec VPN gateway with only one interface

2007-09-14 Thread Markus Wernig
Hi all I'v looked through what documentation I could find, but didn't find this case mentioned, so I assumed it would work (which it doesn't): I have an OBSD 4.1 vpn gateway (A) with only one interface, over which the default route points out and over which the packets to forward through

Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words

2007-09-14 Thread Bob Beck
* Bob Beck beck [2007-09-14 08:14]: * Craig Skinner [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-09-14 02:58]: Daniel Ouellet wrote: Doesn't this simply sound like making free software developers and users lose their freedoms and work they've authored? Who wins? probably the people who want to sell

Re: OpenBSD Install Goal

2007-09-14 Thread Allie Daneman
My $0.02...I've tried MANY different flavors of *BSD, Linux, etc. and I firmly think that OpenBSD's installer is exactly as it should be. It works well and doesn't need eye candy to make it work better. I can do a CD install in 20 minutes...you can't beat that. If you want more eye candy go try

Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words

2007-09-14 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 12:50:45PM +, Sebastien Carlier wrote: Your point is that the BSD license is a wrong because it gives people too much freedom. You just stated this again, even more clearly than in your earlier message. No, I never said the BSD license is wrong, you said that, not

Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words

2007-09-14 Thread Jack J. Woehr
Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 02:29:44PM +0200, Paul de Weerd wrote: On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 12:24:25PM +0100, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: | On 2007-09-14 11:13:11, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: | Fewer words, eh? -- Jack J. Woehr Director of Development

Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words

2007-09-14 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 02:29:44PM +0200, Paul de Weerd wrote: On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 12:24:25PM +0100, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: | On 2007-09-14 11:13:11, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: | | The spirit of the GNU GPL is to maintain freedom for all users. | | You don't seem to

Re: Looking for something similar to screen-command

2007-09-14 Thread Sunnz
Hey I checked out window(1)... doesn't seem like you can detach it, logout, after 5 hours, log back in, retach, blah blah? Or can you? 2007/9/13, Jeremy C. Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Wed, 12 Sep 2007, Jon Sjvstedt wrote: Ok, thanks! Please dont kill me any more!:) Well one more:

Re: FAQ on install ISO

2007-09-14 Thread Nick Holland
Chris wrote: I was wondering whether this - http://openbsd.org/faq/faq3.html#ISO - FAQ entry should be changed as OpenBSD now does provide ISO for base install? As every release, many things are changed in the FAQ. Finding and changing the things that need to be changed occupies a LOT of my

Problem installing openBSD 4.0 on intel S3000AH

2007-09-14 Thread Insan Praja SW
Dear all, I have recently facing a problem when installing openBSD 4.0 on intel S3000AH, it seems that the embedded gigabit ethernet (em1) is causing this, since openBSD installer trap a kernel panic message when it tried to load the module. In some discussion, to troubleshoot this is to

Re: serial port usage

2007-09-14 Thread Trash Compactor
Christian Weisgerber wrote: Daniel Ouellet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As we are on the subject and I do not want to deviate from the original question, I would however appreciate suggestions as to how I can have a one server witch can actually have up to 32 serial console to control LOM on

Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words

2007-09-14 Thread Paul de Weerd
On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 04:06:56PM +0100, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: | On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 02:29:44PM +0200, Paul de Weerd wrote: | On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 12:24:25PM +0100, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: | | On 2007-09-14 11:13:11, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: | | | | The

Re: serial port usage

2007-09-14 Thread L. V. Lammert
At 12:00 PM 9/14/2007 -0400, Trash Compactor wrote: Alternatively, you can put puc(4) cards into an OpenBSD box or hook up a tangle of ucom(4) adapters to a tree of powered USB hubs There are several multi-port USB-serial adapters available. You can get bus-powered ones up to around 8 DB9

Re: Strange Lock-ups with Opera?

2007-09-14 Thread Kurt B. Kaiser
Steven [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A bit late too the discussion, but I have a similar issue with Opera on OpenBSD. As with yourself, I don't even have to go to a Flash-based site and Opera randomly freezes. I'm seeing many freezes using Opera 9.02 on Linux. I don't think it's an OBSD issue.

Re: OpenBSD Install Goal

2007-09-14 Thread Steven
* Craig Skinner [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070914 03:15]: Bob Beck wrote: I hope one day soon OpenBSD will adopt a nice ncurses setup similar to something like FreeBSD with ease to it. As OpenBSD grows there simply is no reason, or logic to keeping around such an archaic method of installation it now

Re: Problem installing openBSD 4.0 on intel S3000AH

2007-09-14 Thread Insan Praja SW
On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 23:37:39 +0700, Sys.Admin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Sys Admin, However, is this mean that I cannot, forever, use the em1 :D ? Thanks again, Hello Insan, Friday, September 14, 2007, 8:55:21 AM, you wrote: IPS Dear all, IPS I have recently facing a problem when

Re: FAQ on install ISO

2007-09-14 Thread Greg Thomas
On 9/14/07, Nick Holland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chris wrote: I was wondering whether this - http://openbsd.org/faq/faq3.html#ISO - FAQ entry should be changed as OpenBSD now does provide ISO for base install? As every release, many things are changed in the FAQ. Finding and changing

Re: serial port usage

2007-09-14 Thread Greg Thomas
On 9/14/07, Craig Skinner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Darren Spruell wrote: For the scenario where you have two openbsd hosts, one connected to the second with a serial null modem cable, what is the right device to use when connecting using tip(1) from the first to a console on the second?

Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words

2007-09-14 Thread Greg Thomas
On 9/14/07, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 11:49:33AM +0200, Paul de Weerd wrote: | I don't establish *anything*. It's in the preamble. Your exact words are that's in the preamble, which establishes the spirit (I left them in my reply so you can

Re: Problem installing openBSD 4.0 on intel S3000AH

2007-09-14 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2007/09/14 22:55, Insan Praja SW wrote: I have recently facing a problem when installing openBSD 4.0 on intel S3000AH, it seems that the embedded gigabit ethernet (em1) is causing this, Try 4.1 and, if that's no help, a snapshot. If that's still no help, try 'boot -c' at the boot loader

Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words

2007-09-14 Thread Greg Thomas
On 9/14/07, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 02:29:44PM +0200, Paul de Weerd wrote: On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 12:24:25PM +0100, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: | On 2007-09-14 11:13:11, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: | | The spirit of the GNU GPL

Re: serial port usage

2007-09-14 Thread Greg Thomas
On 9/14/07, Trash Compactor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greg Thomas wrote: On 9/14/07, Craig Skinner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Darren Spruell wrote: For the scenario where you have two openbsd hosts, one connected to the second with a serial null modem cable, what is the right device to

Re: FAQ on install ISO

2007-09-14 Thread Daniel A. Ramaley
On Friday 14 September 2007 10:36, you wrote: As every release, many things are changed in the FAQ. Finding and changing the things that need to be changed occupies a LOT of my time between lock and release days. Truly, thank you for your hard work. One of the many things that keeps me buying

Re: serial port usage

2007-09-14 Thread Trash Compactor
L. V. Lammert wrote: At 12:00 PM 9/14/2007 -0400, Trash Compactor wrote: Alternatively, you can put puc(4) cards into an OpenBSD box or hook up a tangle of ucom(4) adapters to a tree of powered USB hubs There are several multi-port USB-serial adapters available. You can get bus-powered ones

Re: Strange Lock-ups with Opera?

2007-09-14 Thread Celso Fernandes
The FreeBSD version can be runned with fbsd binary emulation, but adobe doesn't release the flash plugin for fbsd system, just for Linux, that's why most people need a Linux emulated host browser to run the binary flash plugin. So no reason to emulate the fbsd browser, use native firefox instead

Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words

2007-09-14 Thread stuart van Zee
I have never claimed to be all that smart, so maybe I don't understand something. But I am wondering what this squabble over what this license says or what that license says is all about. My understanding of copywrite law is that the author of a work owns the copywrite. Therefore, that owner

Re: OpenBSD Install Goal

2007-09-14 Thread Rob
One of the other sysadmins where I work has mostly used Linux, and got used to their various hand-holding tactics. I've been gradually moving us over to OpenBSD (and got them to purchase a CD set, and hopefully some meager donations soon). Usually, I handle the installation and administration, but

Re: Wasting our Freedom

2007-09-14 Thread Rob
I can appreciate your intentions, but you're recommending waging a propaganda campaign against a group of people that aren't going to be moved by it. Theo de Raadt is both knowledgeable, public, and straightforward, and convincing a bunch of folks who are not also knowledgeable, public, and

Problem with ftp-proxy

2007-09-14 Thread Jason Calhoun
Hi, I have an OpenBSD 4.1 system running as a NAT firewall for our office and unfortunately I have to support a couple of active FTP clients on the inside of the firewall, so I've set up ftp-proxy. I've never used ftp-proxy before and I've run into a problem with it. I've set up ftp-proxy and

Re: Wasting our Freedom

2007-09-14 Thread Jason Dixon
On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 11:13:05 -0700, Rob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can appreciate your intentions, but you're recommending waging a propaganda campaign against a group of people that aren't going to be moved by it. No, I'm asking you to protect your freedoms by expressing your distaste for the

Re: FAQ on install ISO

2007-09-14 Thread Celso Fernandes
Right.. you can do your own with less distribution sets (without X for example), but OpenBSD now releases a base iso for installation, you can found this for the pre-release 4.2 at ftp://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/snapshots/i386/install42.iso if you wish to try. ps: Don't forget to ask you CD

Re: OpenBSD Install Goal

2007-09-14 Thread marina
On Fri, 14 Sep 2007, Stuart Henderson wrote: On 2007/09/14 12:55, Edwards, David (JTS) wrote: Have you ever tried to do an install of FreeBSD/Linux using a 9600 serial console? Oh thanks, I'd been trying to erase that from memory (-: FreeBSD, 9600 serial, PXE boot. Took the best part of a

Re: serial port usage

2007-09-14 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2007/09/14 13:48, Trash Compactor wrote: L. V. Lammert wrote: At 12:00 PM 9/14/2007 -0400, Trash Compactor wrote: Alternatively, you can put puc(4) cards into an OpenBSD box or hook up a tangle of ucom(4) adapters to a tree of powered USB hubs There are several multi-port USB-serial

Re: serial port usage

2007-09-14 Thread Craig Skinner
On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 10:03:00AM -0700, Greg Thomas wrote: $ sudo tip tty01 Is this just for boot messages? It's my understanding (minimal, at that) that you can't do this for logins both directions because getty will tie up the port? Nope, full access as connecting from tty01 on one

Re: FAQ on install ISO

2007-09-14 Thread Craig Skinner
On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 11:36:33AM -0400, Nick Holland wrote: As every release, many things are changed in the FAQ. Finding and changing the things that need to be changed occupies a LOT of my time between lock and release days. Thanks, used often!!!

Re: OpenBSD Install Goal

2007-09-14 Thread Craig Skinner
On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 10:44:57AM -0600, Steven wrote: You no likey, you no usey! I do hope you realize that Bob didn't post what you were replying too. :-) Yes. I just replied to the list only. At this point, I'd like to chime in and say that I find the text-based OpenBSD installer

partitioning

2007-09-14 Thread Dmitrij D. Czarkoff
I am just wondering, how would it become worse if I would just set three labels: /, swap and /home. What ways would it make my system worse? -- Dmitrij D. Czarkoff [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pgp-signature which had a name of signature.asc ]

Re: Wasting our Freedom

2007-09-14 Thread Dmitrij D. Czarkoff
On Friday 14 September 2007 07:09:51 you wrote: Email the SFLC and FSF and remind them that Free Software consists of more than the almighty penguin. They belive defending their work from use in close source software to be the only true way and therefore everyone who doesn't have the license

Re: partitioning

2007-09-14 Thread Otto Moerbeek
On Fri, 14 Sep 2007, Dmitrij D. Czarkoff wrote: I am just wondering, how would it become worse if I would just set three labels: /, swap and /home. What ways would it make my system worse? Ehhh, a disk has a label defining partitions. It does not have multiple labels. For an answer to your

Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words

2007-09-14 Thread David H. Lynch Jr.
Paul de Weerd wrote: Scenario A, this code is released under the BSD license. You can take it, improve it and never share your changes with anyone. Scenario B, this code is released under the GPL license. You can take it, improve it and never share your changes with anyone. Where is the

Re: Problem installing openBSD 4.0 on intel S3000AH

2007-09-14 Thread Mark Carlson
On 9/14/07, Insan Praja SW [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear all, I have recently facing a problem when installing openBSD 4.0 on intel S3000AH, it seems that the embedded gigabit ethernet (em1) is causing this, since openBSD installer trap a kernel panic message when it tried to load the module.

Re: FAQ on install ISO

2007-09-14 Thread Antti Harri
On Fri, 14 Sep 2007, Celso Fernandes wrote: Right.. you can do your own with less distribution sets (without X for example), but OpenBSD now releases a base iso for installation, you can found this for the pre-release 4.2 at ftp://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/snapshots/i386/install42.iso if you

Re: Problem with ftp-proxy

2007-09-14 Thread Jake Conk
You should send us your pf configuration. On 9/14/07, Jason Calhoun [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I have an OpenBSD 4.1 system running as a NAT firewall for our office and unfortunately I have to support a couple of active FTP clients on the inside of the firewall, so I've set up ftp-proxy.

Re: OpenBSD Install Goal

2007-09-14 Thread Steve McConville
Anyway, a while later he comes back and says, It's done! I couldn't believe how easy it was. This mirrors my (linux-coloured) experience of trying an OpenBSD install for the first time. -- steev http://www.daikaiju.org.uk/~steve/

Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words

2007-09-14 Thread David H. Lynch Jr.
Sebastien Carlier wrote: So, you are indeed taking the point of view that there is good freedom and bad freedom, and that coercion is needed to allow good freedom to prevail. I am glad you said so since it is totally related to what follows. Total freedom without coercion is anarchy.

Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words

2007-09-14 Thread J.C. Roberts
On Thursday 13 September 2007, Marco Peereboom wrote: On Thu, Sep 13, 2007 at 07:09:09AM -0400, Nick Holland wrote: Free software: It's all about the price. The rest of the talk about freedom, etc. is just trying to keep them from looking like cheap, greedy bastards. At least for an awful

Re: Problem with ftp-proxy

2007-09-14 Thread Darren Spruell
On 9/14/07, Jason Calhoun [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I have an OpenBSD 4.1 system running as a NAT firewall for our office and unfortunately I have to support a couple of active FTP clients on the inside of the firewall, so I've set up ftp-proxy. I've never used ftp-proxy before and I've

ambiguous paragraph in your news

2007-09-14 Thread Marc Espie
On http://www.softwarefreedom.org/news/2007/jul/31/openhal/ you have: -- About OpenHAL OpenHAL is low-level interface software for Atheros 802.11 wireless cards. Previously, Linux-based systems needed a proprietary Hardware Abstraction Layer (HAL) plus a wrapper driver to

Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words

2007-09-14 Thread Daniel Ouellet
Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: I'd love to see how an user who gets a modified binary version has the freedom to modify it. Go ahead. Prove me that it doesn't allow some users to loose freedom... You make the point of using BLOB so well, Thank you! Looking forward to see you fight for

Re: OpenBSD Install Goal

2007-09-14 Thread K K
On 9/14/07, Pau Amaro-Seoane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please don't touch the installer. It's just perfect. Ditto. Talking to new users, the feedback I get is that they tend to screw up partitioning, but other than that, no substantial complaints about the install process. Sure, it's not

mc-4.6.1p1 is broken (4.1)

2007-09-14 Thread L. V. Lammert
Posted to ports-bugs, .. but nobody caught it. Has anyone else noticed the p1 package is broken [Warning: Cannot change to directory - known bug]? Is there a simple way to revert to p0 (which does work)? Lee

Re: Problem with ftp-proxy

2007-09-14 Thread Kevin Cheng
For 4.0: -- /etc/inetd.conf: ftp-proxy stream tcp nowait root/usr/sbin/ftp-proxy ftp-proxy -m 55000 -t 180 -- /etc/pf.conf: wired_if=xl0 wireless_if={ ral0, xl1 } localhost_ip=127.0.0.1 # ftp-proxy nat-anchor ftp-proxy/* rdr-anchor ftp-proxy/*

Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words

2007-09-14 Thread Sebastien Carlier
On 9/14/07, David H. Lynch Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sebastien Carlier wrote: So, you are indeed taking the point of view that there is good freedom and bad freedom, and that coercion is needed to allow good freedom to prevail. I am glad you said so since it is totally related to what

Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words

2007-09-14 Thread J.C. Roberts
On Friday 14 September 2007, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 02:29:44PM +0200, Paul de Weerd wrote: On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 12:24:25PM +0100, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: | On 2007-09-14 11:13:11, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: | The spirit of the GNU GPL is to

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