Gunther Birznieks writes:
> BTW, how long (in time) was this course (in the lecture format you gave it
> in)? And how well did the timing work out for the slides?
I had three hours. I got to the point where I could end on time.
Generally I would take time early on and speed up towards the end :
I would like to offer my services as HTML coder for the website. I Also have
experience with Adobe Photoshop and Illustrator.
-Max
Message -
From: "Nathan Torkington" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "mod_perl list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 10:06 AM
Subject: Re: Mod_perl tutorials
> Gunther Birznieks writes:
> > However, I am willing to concede that as a first cut, f
> I've been following this thread and just wanted to offer up my services at
> an html coder for a mod_perl website.
According to http://take23.org/contribute.xml/5#5 this kind of nice offers
are to be submitted to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thanks!
Granted that many are interested in seeing the end result, but from the
amount of volunteers to do actual work (maybe 4 or so) there's not so much.
So in that case, a mailing list for the development and enhancements of
existing training material makes sense, but we would still, of course, post
Randal L. Schwartz wrote:
> META COMMENT...
>
> Maybe it's time we spun off a mailing list for this discussion,
> unless it's still interesting to the rest of the onlookers.
> Anyone care to host it or take that on?
>
I would have thought that most people here are interested in how to
> "Gunther" == Gunther Birznieks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Gunther> OK. One thing I was considering is that instead of being a monolithic
Gunther> mod_perl class that it should be broken into modules with recommended
Gunther> ways of piecing together the modules based on the amount of time
At 10:06 AM 12/14/00 -0700, Nathan Torkington wrote:
>Gunther Birznieks writes:
> > However, I am willing to concede that as a first cut, fancy slides are
> > probably not worth it because the slides will change too often. Once v1 is
> > released, then someone can transcribe the slides to PPT (or
Both would be great. gnome.org has a large number of tutorials on all
aspects of gtk and gnome programming and so a newbie could get started
just by the stuff at the site. While mod_perl has some great resources
like the Eagle book and the guide, there is something to be said for
having on line re
Hi,
I'm for the minimalist slides approach ... I often think there's
an inverse relationship between powerpoint buzz and the speaker's
presentation skills --- a good speaker knows that *they* engage the
audience not their slides.
Some of the best technical presentations I've seen
Gunther Birznieks writes:
> However, I am willing to concede that as a first cut, fancy slides are
> probably not worth it because the slides will change too often. Once v1 is
> released, then someone can transcribe the slides to PPT (or maybe a tool
> will exist by then) as a "stable release"
On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, Gunther Birznieks wrote:
> Well, the nicer the slides the more they can be used outside of PM groups.
> The ideal would be something that (A) Can be made to look nice and (B) Is
> relatively brandable in case a conference has a particular look-and-feel
> they prefer author
At 02:27 PM 12/14/00 +0100, Stas Bekman wrote:
>On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, Matt Sergeant wrote:
>
> > > creating a set of tutorials for mongers and user groups? What's important
> > > is the information, not how fancy the background picture is.
> >
> > Thats where I think you're wrong. People care a *lo
M
>To: Stas Bekman
>Cc: Randal L. Schwartz; mod_perl list
>Subject: Re: Mod_perl tutorials
>
>
> > Even cvs diffs with XML won't be very easy to read, because there are too
> > many tags.
>
>Thats a non-argument. XML can have as many or as few tags as POD.
__
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 10:09 AM
> To: Stas Bekman
> Cc: Matt Sergeant; mod_perl list
> Subject: Re: Mod_perl tutorials
>
>
> But I'm cool with the name as long as
On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, Matt Sergeant wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Dec 2000, Ed Park wrote:
> > Anyways, take23 is very fast for now.
> Don't expect that to last too long - its behind a 64Kb leased line. But
> its fast because it delivers everything gzipped - so there's an argument
> for gzipped content.
On Wed, 13 Dec 2000, Andrew Ho wrote:
> I'm thinking somebody should probably take it upon themselves to spearhead
> this effort, and perhaps set up another list for potential volunteers to
> coordinate. Lots of open source projects are short on useful documentation
Perl Mongers can host, mirror
> "Stas" == Stas Bekman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> It will always be take23, that I can assure you of. I'm a geek, and its a
>> geeky name, and I'm very happy with it. The other domain names pointing at
>> it or redirecting to it would be most welcome, but I'm not yet considering
>> anoth
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Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 8:17 AM
To: Stas Bekman
Cc: Randal L. Schwartz; mod_perl list
Subject: Re: Mod_perl tutorials
> Even cvs diffs with XML won't be very easy to read, because there are too
> many tags.
Thats a non-argument. XML can have as many or as few tags as POD.
On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, Matt Sergeant wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, Stas Bekman wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, Matt Sergeant wrote:
> >
> > > On Wed, 13 Dec 2000, Robin Berjon wrote:
> > >
> > > > >Well Doug likes the site, and I'd assume someone is going to add a link
> > > > >fairly shortly to
> Stas Bekman wrote:
> > Our book's site is modperlbook.org... how original :)
>
> Stas, do you have a premilinary table of contents
> already and could you please post it there?
Not yet, we are still contemplating on some chapters/ideas. But the guide
is the core of the book, so you get the id
On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, Matt Sergeant wrote:
> > creating a set of tutorials for mongers and user groups? What's important
> > is the information, not how fancy the background picture is.
>
> Thats where I think you're wrong. People care a *lot* about how things
> look. Case in point with AxKit - I
Stas Bekman wrote:
> Our book's site is modperlbook.org... how original :)
Stas, do you have a premilinary table of contents
already and could you please post it there?
On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, Stas Bekman wrote:
> Editing xml with no good xml editor is a nightmare... that's why pod is
> much friendly even if it's very limited. I want to be able to edit files
> from any console on any machine. Can I run StarOffice from remote
> machine? Of course, not. It hardly run
On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, Stas Bekman wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, Matt Sergeant wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 13 Dec 2000, Robin Berjon wrote:
> >
> > > >Well Doug likes the site, and I'd assume someone is going to add a link
> > > >fairly shortly to perl.apache.org.
> > >
> > > There already is, I think Sta
On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, Stas Bekman wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, Gunther Birznieks wrote:
>
> > >You can use my hackish Pod::HtmlPsPdf, which tries hard to help generate
> > >slides. The only caveat it has now, is that the html2ps tool that it uses
> > >generates not 100% complete PS, so when I run
On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, Robin Berjon wrote:
> At 13:21 14/12/2000 +0800, Gunther Birznieks wrote:
> >At 01:55 AM 12/14/2000 +0100, Stas Bekman wrote:
> >>You can use my hackish Pod::HtmlPsPdf, which tries hard to help generate
> >>slides. The only caveat it has now, is that the html2ps tool that it
At 13:21 14/12/2000 +0800, Gunther Birznieks wrote:
>At 01:55 AM 12/14/2000 +0100, Stas Bekman wrote:
>>You can use my hackish Pod::HtmlPsPdf, which tries hard to help generate
>>slides. The only caveat it has now, is that the html2ps tool that it uses
>>generates not 100% complete PS, so when I r
On 13 Dec 2000, Randal L. Schwartz wrote:
> > "Gunther" == Gunther Birznieks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> Gunther> I would be against PPT if StarOffice couldn't read and write those
> Gunther> files. But since there is a Linux alternative, I would prefer a slide
> Gunther> format stored i
At 23:03 13/12/2000 -0500, Drew Taylor wrote:
>> That's all too true. For certain Network Solutions have a service that
>> warns some people that have paid (a lot) when someone checks an address
>> that doesn't exist yet. They offered it to one of the companies I worked
>> for once so I know for s
On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, Matt Sergeant wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Dec 2000, Robin Berjon wrote:
>
> > >Well Doug likes the site, and I'd assume someone is going to add a link
> > >fairly shortly to perl.apache.org.
> >
> > There already is, I think Stas added it. It's under "News and Resources for
> > the
On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, Gunther Birznieks wrote:
> >You can use my hackish Pod::HtmlPsPdf, which tries hard to help generate
> >slides. The only caveat it has now, is that the html2ps tool that it uses
> >generates not 100% complete PS, so when I run ps2pdf everything is cool,
> >but acroread has no
> -Original Message-
> From: Robin Berjon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 6:24 PM
> To: Stas Bekman
> Cc: Drew Taylor; mod_perl list
> Subject: [OT] Re: Mod_perl tutorials
>
[snip]
> This doesn't mean that modperlnew will be
On Wed, 13 Dec 2000, Drew Taylor wrote:
> > This doesn't mean that modperlnew will be
> > taken within hours but one should be very careful when using registrars'
> > whois/dns check tools. If you could want it, buy it immediately. Maybe some
> > registrars are not that kind of bandits, but it's
On Wed, 13 Dec 2000, Ed Park wrote:
> Anyways, take23 is very fast for now.
Don't expect that to last too long - its behind a 64Kb leased line. But
its fast because it delivers everything gzipped - so there's an argument
for gzipped content.
--
/||** Director and CTO **
//||**
On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, Robin Berjon wrote:
> >sure would be nice if a lot of that content made its way to
> >take23 in a format that can be more easily managed.
>
> I think Matt requires some XML format (I'd guess DocBook) for take23.
> However, translating from well-written pod to DocBook shouldn'
On Wed, 13 Dec 2000, Robin Berjon wrote:
> >Well Doug likes the site, and I'd assume someone is going to add a link
> >fairly shortly to perl.apache.org.
>
> There already is, I think Stas added it. It's under "News and Resources for
> the mod_perl world" in the toc.
Hmm, Stas can you make this
"Perrin Harkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I'm baffled by the insistence of everyone on this thread that a bunch of
> static pages like the ones on perl.apache.org should be served by
> mod_perl. Shall I show you all how to change Apache's headers? We can
> say we're running mod_perl/2000 f
On Wed, Dec 13, 2000 at 10:26:49PM +0100, Stas Bekman wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Dec 2000, Nathan Torkington wrote:
>
> > Stas Bekman writes:
> > > It's already taken by the eagle book. And since the URL is hardcoded in
> > > the book, you cannot change this.
> >
> > True, but you can prominently place
Andrew Ho wrote:
> someone else already mentioned, it also doesn't use mod_perl itself. :)
I'm baffled by the insistence of everyone on this thread that a bunch of
static pages like the ones on perl.apache.org should be served by
mod_perl. Shall I show you all how to change Apache's headers? We
Hello,
Just wanted to add to this thread as to the suggestion for a modperl.org.
I agree that this would help mod_perl programmers as a whole. The
"official" mod_perl site is sort of sparse, sort of slow, and on the whole
doesn't inspire confidence in mod_perl as an industrial strength tool. As
s
"Ed Park" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I really like the look of the take23 site as well, and I would be happy as
a
> clam if we could get modperl.org. I'd even be willing to chip in some
> (money/time/effort) to see whether we could get modperl.org.
ok, money is tight and time is short but he
> "Gunther" == Gunther Birznieks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Gunther> I would be against PPT if StarOffice couldn't read and write those
Gunther> files. But since there is a Linux alternative, I would prefer a slide
Gunther> format stored in the format that slides are made for.
Gunther> Unle
At 01:55 AM 12/14/2000 +0100, Stas Bekman wrote:
>On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, Gunther Birznieks wrote:
>
> > I guess part of the problem is that PPT is a binary file so if someone
> > checks out of CVS, and modifies slide 3 and another person modifies slide
> > 1, there's really no way of piecing it toge
Robin Berjon wrote:
>
> At 23:31 13/12/2000 +0100, Stas Bekman wrote:
> >> A quick check of nsiregistry.com shows that modperlnews.(com|org|net)
> are all
> >> available.
> >
> >Too bad for you/us. You can be sure that when you will go to register any
> >of the above they will be all taken by a r
My two cents--
I really like the look of the take23 site as well, and I would be happy as a
clam if we could get modperl.org. I'd even be willing to chip in some
(money/time/effort) to see whether we could get modperl.org.
More than that, though, I think that I would really like to see take23 in
On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, Gunther Birznieks wrote:
> I guess part of the problem is that PPT is a binary file so if someone
> checks out of CVS, and modifies slide 3 and another person modifies slide
> 1, there's really no way of piecing it together again without being annoyed
> by CVS update.
POD
On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, Robin Berjon wrote:
> really notice or care. Most of the content is more or
> less static, at least it doesn't change all that often.
yah. i'm sure wml or it's like would work just as nicely for
managing the site. it's just, as everybody on this list
knows, a gigantic pain i
At 15:23 13/12/2000 -0800, brian moseley wrote:
>On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, Robin Berjon wrote:
>> I didn't mean to target you particularly there brian :)
>
>i know :)
Good, I didn't want any doubt on this :)
>another reason it never got off the ground is that it seemed
>to make a lot of sense to actu
At 11:08 AM 12/13/00 -0700, Nathan Torkington wrote:
>J. J. Horner writes:
> > What is the story on these tutorials? Is it something you can
> > distribute, or did most of it come off of the top your head?
>
>Tutorials seems like a deadend for effort. I've had zero (0)
>responses to my offer of
On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, Robin Berjon wrote:
> I didn't mean to target you particularly there brian :)
i know :)
> But indeed I bumped into the same problem. Back then my
> todo list included writing Pod::SAX and pod2sax (a pod
> translator that woudl generate SAX events) and an XML
> publishing t
At 23:31 13/12/2000 +0100, Stas Bekman wrote:
>> A quick check of nsiregistry.com shows that modperlnews.(com|org|net)
are all
>> available.
>
>Too bad for you/us. You can be sure that when you will go to register any
>of the above they will be all taken by a reseller. I've mentioned a few
>times
At 14:44 13/12/2000 -0800, brian moseley wrote:
>On Wed, 13 Dec 2000, Robin Berjon wrote:
>> Other people seemed to be interested and said they'd
>> take care of doing something but like me I guess they
>> got flooded by work stuff. That's certainly what
>> happened to me :/
>
>that, and the fact
On Wed, 13 Dec 2000, Robin Berjon wrote:
> Other people seemed to be interested and said they'd
> take care of doing something but like me I guess they
> got flooded by work stuff. That's certainly what
> happened to me :/
that, and the fact that there is so much random content
laying around the
On Wed, 13 Dec 2000, Drew Taylor wrote:
> Dave Kaufman wrote:
> >
> > i have to say i really like the look and feel of Matt's take23.org. (and by
> > the way, for those, like me, who can't seem to keep up with reading *every*
> > message on this list... it's take23.ORG. I went looking for "take
At 16:41 13/12/2000 -0500, Drew Taylor wrote:
>I vaguely remember seeing mockups similar to take23.org as a proposed facelift
>for perl.apache.org. I really liked the design and always wondered why it
>never got used (apart from the manhours to implement the change :-)
That's in part my fault. I'
On Wed, 13 Dec 2000, Dave Kaufman wrote:
> i have to say i really like the look and feel of Matt's take23.org.
Knowing how humble Robin is I have to say that original it was designed by
Robin Berjon's Knowscape.com designers :) So if you need a good designer
you know now where to find one... th
Dave Kaufman wrote:
>
> i have to say i really like the look and feel of Matt's take23.org. (and by
> the way, for those, like me, who can't seem to keep up with reading *every*
> message on this list... it's take23.ORG. I went looking for "take23" and i
> can attest that the cryptic but nicely
On Wed, 13 Dec 2000, Nathan Torkington wrote:
> Stas Bekman writes:
> > It's already taken by the eagle book. And since the URL is hardcoded in
> > the book, you cannot change this.
>
> True, but you can prominently place a pointer to Eagle book's content
> on the new modperl.com homepage.
Anyw
"Randal L. Schwartz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > "Matt" == Matt Sergeant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> Matt> I'd love to get all of these onto take23, but of course that
requires some
> Matt> sort of effort from someone to gather them together and put together
a web
> Matt> page (in XML!)
On 13 Dec 2000, Randal L. Schwartz wrote:
> And admittedly, the perl.org/pm.org/perl.com split is never clear to
> most visitors (or even to the people who maintain it). I'm just
> afraid of another arbitrary demarcation like this.
i assume you mean the www hosts since you are talking about web
Stas Bekman writes:
> It's already taken by the eagle book. And since the URL is hardcoded in
> the book, you cannot change this.
True, but you can prominently place a pointer to Eagle book's content
on the new modperl.com homepage.
> modperl.org is taken by someone else, and it's empty...
Baij
On Wed, 13 Dec 2000, Nathan Torkington wrote:
> Matt Sergeant writes:
> > Basically I see the distinction as news/community vs the official home
> > page. The same as php3.org vs phpbuilder.
>
> I think modperl.com should be the webpage that shows modperl to be an
> active vibrant technology. I
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 3:01 PM
> To: Matt Sergeant
> Cc: Jay Jacobs; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Mod_perl tutorials
>
> /me scuffles off to register no-args.org now... :
On Wed, 13 Dec 2000, Matt Sergeant wrote:
> On 13 Dec 2000, (Randal L. Schwartz) wrote:
>
> > They really also belong on perl.apache.org, unless take23 is supposed
> > to be taking over that responsibility, or unless take23 will have a
> > VERY PROMINENT link on perl.apache.org.
>
> I wouldn't
Matt Sergeant writes:
> Basically I see the distinction as news/community vs the official home
> page. The same as php3.org vs phpbuilder.
I think modperl.com should be the webpage that shows modperl to be an
active vibrant technology. In other words, I think take23 should
really be on modperl.c
>Well Doug likes the site, and I'd assume someone is going to add a link
>fairly shortly to perl.apache.org.
There already is, I think Stas added it. It's under "News and Resources for
the mod_perl world" in the toc.
>> If you want traffic on your site, pick a way for people to remember it
>> wh
> "Matt" == Matt Sergeant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Matt> Suggestions for ways to help that would be most appreciated.
Make a link on the left on the home page "why the name take23?".
Then clever people like me can read it, and remember the name
much better.
/me scuffles off to register n
On 13 Dec 2000, (Randal L. Schwartz) wrote:
> Well, then, I'd ask for the perl.apache.org folks to "bless" the
> take23.org site by linking to it prominently, along with a context
> so that visitors know why some things are on perl.apache.org and
> others are on take23.org.
Well Doug likes the s
I am also interested in mod_perl tutorials. If someone is taking
names and email addresses, add mine.
Make it Ken Creason, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thanks,
_Ken
Napa Valley Linux Users Group
Napa Valley Perl Mongers
At 01:41 PM 12/13/00 -0500, you wrote:
>On Wed, Dec 13, 2000 at 11:08:44AM -0700, Na
> "Matt" == Matt Sergeant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Matt> On 13 Dec 2000, (Randal L. Schwartz) wrote:
>> They really also belong on perl.apache.org, unless take23 is supposed
>> to be taking over that responsibility, or unless take23 will have a
>> VERY PROMINENT link on perl.apache.org.
M
On 13 Dec 2000, (Randal L. Schwartz) wrote:
> They really also belong on perl.apache.org, unless take23 is supposed
> to be taking over that responsibility, or unless take23 will have a
> VERY PROMINENT link on perl.apache.org.
I wouldn't say "taken over" but I can say you'll see more frequent u
At 11:17 13/12/2000 -0800, Randal L. Schwartz wrote:
>"take23" doesn't mean anything for me with respect to "mod_perl" by
>the way. Is there a secret handshake^Wmnemonic that I can remember
>the name of that website? perl.apache.org was easy to remember.
Spend a few hours trying to figure out h
> "Matt" == Matt Sergeant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Matt> On Wed, 13 Dec 2000, Jay Jacobs wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> I've seen a few folks say "my tuturial is at http://xxx", etc. But it
>> would be great if someone could put them all in a single place (take23?)
>> with a blurb about each.
>>
On Wed, 13 Dec 2000, Jay Jacobs wrote:
>
>
>
> I've seen a few folks say "my tuturial is at http://xxx", etc. But it
> would be great if someone could put them all in a single place (take23?)
> with a blurb about each.
>
> I've been trying to keep the email with the links to the various
> prese
On Wed, Dec 13, 2000 at 11:08:44AM -0700, Nathan Torkington wrote:
> J. J. Horner writes:
> > What is the story on these tutorials? Is it something you can
> > distribute, or did most of it come off of the top your head?
>
> Tutorials seems like a deadend for effort. I've had zero (0)
> respons
I've seen a few folks say "my tuturial is at http://xxx", etc. But it
would be great if someone could put them all in a single place (take23?)
with a blurb about each.
I've been trying to keep the email with the links to the various
presentations and tutorials for the moment when I have time
Nathan Torkington wrote:
>
> J. J. Horner writes:
> > What is the story on these tutorials? Is it something you can
> > distribute, or did most of it come off of the top your head?
>
> Tutorials seems like a deadend for effort. I've had zero (0)
> responses to my offer of my "Introduction to m
J. J. Horner writes:
> What is the story on these tutorials? Is it something you can
> distribute, or did most of it come off of the top your head?
Tutorials seems like a deadend for effort. I've had zero (0)
responses to my offer of my "Introduction to mod_perl" tutorial.
If nobody's interest
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