Dan:
To the extent one follows the undefined, they are free. This is very
powerful stuff. How does a person go about following that which is not
this, not that?
Ron:
Well thats why I favor better-ness for we follow dynamic quality
when we choose to wing-it, when we put the nava-computer away
on
On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 12:24 AM, X Acto xa...@rocketmail.com wrote:
Steve replied to Dave:
I don't disagree with Pirsig or the dictionary as far as the classic
dilemma.
I disagree with how YOU think this dilemma could possibly still come up in the
MOQ while Pirsig specifically says this
Hi Dan,
Dan:
I think Steve is taking the quote out of context here by stating the
dilemma doesn't come up. From LILA:
...
In the Metaphysics of Quality this dilemma doesn't come up. To the
extent that one's behavior is controlled by static patterns of quality
it is without choice. But to
Ron said to Steve:
Bob specifically states that when we follow Dynamic Quality we are free. He
states that natural selection aka evolution is dynamic quality at work,..
What you, Steve, seem to insist on, is that free-will or dynamic quality as
re-named by Pirsig's MoQ, can not be or should
To the extent that one's behavior is
controlled by static patterns of quality it is without choice. But to the
extent
that one follows Dynamic Quality, which is undefinable, one's behavior is
free.
(LILA, Chapter 12)
Here's a way to look at it: 'To the extent that one's behavior
Hello everyone
On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 12:50 PM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
To the extent that one's behavior is
controlled by static patterns of quality it is without choice. But to the
extent
that one follows Dynamic Quality, which is undefinable, one's behavior is
free.
(LILA,
Hello everyone
On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 6:15 AM, X Acto xa...@rocketmail.com wrote:
Dan:
To the extent one follows the undefined, they are free. This is very
powerful stuff. How does a person go about following that which is not
this, not that?
Ron:
Well thats why I favor better-ness for
Greetings Good Dan Glover,
On Jul 10, 2011, at 3:12 PM, Dan Glover wrote:
Hello everyone
On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 12:50 PM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
To the extent that one's behavior is
controlled by static patterns of quality it is without choice. But to the
extent
that
Hello everyone
On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 9:46 AM, Steven Peterson
peterson.st...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Dan,
Dan:
I think Steve is taking the quote out of context here by stating the
dilemma doesn't come up. From LILA:
...
In the Metaphysics of Quality this dilemma doesn't come up. To the
Hi Steve and all,
Metaphysics is about the indefinable DQ and SQ. The intellectual level
covers SQ very well. Physics describes the definable SQ. Physics depends
on definitions for the logical explanation of reality. If you experience
logic you have to experience definitions.
Pirsig proposed
Hello everyone
On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 1:30 PM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
Greetings Good Dan Glover,
On Jul 10, 2011, at 3:12 PM, Dan Glover wrote:
Hello everyone
On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 12:50 PM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
To the extent that one's behavior is
controlled by
Hi Dan,
On Jul 10, 2011, at 3:49 PM, Dan Glover wrote:
Hello everyone
On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 1:30 PM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
Greetings Good Dan Glover,
On Jul 10, 2011, at 3:12 PM, Dan Glover wrote:
Hello everyone
On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 12:50 PM, MarshaV
On Jul 10, 2011, at 4:40 PM, Dan Glover wrote:
Hello everyone
On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 2:20 PM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
Hi Dan,
On Jul 10, 2011, at 3:49 PM, Dan Glover wrote:
Hello everyone
On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 1:30 PM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
Greetings Good
Hello everyone
On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 2:53 PM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
On Jul 10, 2011, at 4:40 PM, Dan Glover wrote:
Hello everyone
On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 2:20 PM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
Hi Dan,
On Jul 10, 2011, at 3:49 PM, Dan Glover wrote:
Hello everyone
On
Dan,
Dan:
That's it? That's your reply? I had the audacity of hope that you
might push back a bit if you didn't agree... that you might actually
indulge me in a dialogue. Well, no matter.
Marsha:
Oh, if you had wanted a dialogue maybe you wouldn't have started
with the push back
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Subject: Re: [MD] Free Will
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Buchanan has nothing he hasn't borrowed, and then labelled 'mine'.
What a daft, egocentric, delusional anus of a man.
Tatty bye.
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On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 3:20 PM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
Dan,
Dan:
That's it? That's your reply? I had the audacity of hope that you
might push back a bit if you didn't agree... that you might actually
indulge me in a dialogue. Well, no matter.
Marsha:
Oh, if
On Jul 10, 2011, at 6:12 PM, Dan Glover wrote:
Hello everyone
On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 3:20 PM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
Dan,
Dan:
That's it? That's your reply? I had the audacity of hope that you
might push back a bit if you didn't agree... that you might actually
indulge
On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 4:17 PM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
On Jul 10, 2011, at 6:12 PM, Dan Glover wrote:
Hello everyone
On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 3:20 PM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
Dan,
Dan:
That's it? That's your reply? I had the audacity of hope that you
might push back a
Anthony McTwat, on his tawdry little website, repeated this apparent quote from
Robert M Pirsig re. one of McTwat's shitty little static DVD's:
'Only you [McTwat] know what to leave in and what to leave out' (Pirsig)
Reading this, i felt that Pirsig was either taking the piss out of McTwat, or
Hi Dan,
Dan:
What Steve seems to be saying is: dilemma solved... no more need to
talk about it.
Steve:
That's not what I mean to say.
Dan:
Oh. I did get that impression from reading your posts. I am sorry if I
was in error.
Steve:
In fact I've been talking about it quite a lot.
On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 8:12 PM, Steven Peterson
peterson.st...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Dan,
Dan:
What Steve seems to be saying is: dilemma solved... no more need to
talk about it.
Steve:
That's not what I mean to say.
Dan:
Oh. I did get that impression from reading your posts. I am
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