Re: [MD] Dear Lila

2011-09-17 Thread Dan Glover
Tom Three Deer My name is Tom Three Deer. I was born on the Pine Ridge reservation at the southern end of the Bad Lands… I am Oglala Lakota Sioux. My father had a ranch he inherited from his father who had inherited it from his… where we raised fine horses and splendid ponies and where the

Re: [MD] Could have acted differently v. the extent to which we, perceive DQ

2011-09-17 Thread MarshaV
Charlie Brown can be so grumpy...;-) On Sep 17, 2011, at 1:46 AM, Ham Priday wrote: Dan, Ron, DMB, Steve, Andre, Marsha, Mark, All -- I have the distinction of being on the ignore list of someone you know who derides me for saying that the MoQ is incomprehensible. So I

[MD] Lieberszauber

2011-09-17 Thread MarshaV
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Re: [MD] Metaphysical Baggage

2011-09-17 Thread Steven Peterson
Hi dmb, Steve said to dmb: ...You have held that if we strip the metaphysical baggage from free will, then the MOQ can be said to support it. That's fair enough depending on how far you are willing to go in re-describing free will in order to be able to lend MOQ support to it (i.e. as

[MD] How the buddha Got His Face

2011-09-17 Thread MarshaV
I do love a good story... One of the most famous Zen Buddhist koans, or riddles that move one beyond merely rational thought structures is “What did your face look like before your parents were born?” The koan goes to the very heart of Buddhism, since Buddhism is a religion that finds

Re: [MD] Free will according to the MOQ

2011-09-17 Thread 118
Cheers Mark On Sep 16, 2011, at 8:07 PM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote: Mark, 'I' is a conventional designation. Maybe you should stick to your 'automatic writing' where you can continue to impress yourself. I am not interested in your further interpretation. Marsha

Re: [MD] How the buddha Got His Face

2011-09-17 Thread 118
Yes that is a good story. I am aware of what my face looked like, it is how I live my life. This is where MoQ will take one. Mark On Sep 17, 2011, at 5:06 AM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote: I do love a good story... One of the most famous Zen Buddhist koans, or riddles that

[MD] Dear Lila

2011-09-17 Thread Jan-Anders Andersson
All I live at the end of a long down running road. Kids are skating down in the summer and in the winter they have all sorts of things to ride down it. Today I saw a little boy sitting on his skateboard crying outside my kitchen window. He was crying because of the slope was over and he was

Re: [MD] Moral Responsibility

2011-09-17 Thread 118
Hi Joe, Physics is a subset of metaphysical. It is yet another way of depicting reality. One should not make Physics more than what it is. On Sep 15, 2011, at 3:57 PM, Joseph Maurer jh...@comcast.net wrote: Hi Ham and all, Metaphysics cannot be contained in mathematical descriptions,

Re: [MD] Nagarjuna and the MOQ

2011-09-17 Thread Ham Priday
Dear Marsha -- Since you went to the trouble of quoting generously from Ant's doctoral thesis, I thought it might provide a useful reference for squaring some of my differences and agreements with the Quality thesis. In this way you, Arlo, and others may see that I am not here to condemn

Re: [MD] Morality and Prudence

2011-09-17 Thread John Carl
dave, My bullshit detector just went BEEP. dmb says: That's just because Pirsig is a philosopher and not a writer of Hallmark cards. Obvious platitudes don't need a metaphysical framework. John replies a month later... I disagree dave. I think if anything needs a solid metaphysical

Re: [MD] Metaphysical Baggage

2011-09-17 Thread david buchanan
dmb said to Steve: ...Look, Steve, this guy named Hugo said what you have been saying about will and free will and Pirsig shot him down. Bang, you're dead. Checkmate. It's over. Why can't you see that? Steve replied: What the hell are you talking about? I just said (as I have been saying all

Re: [MD] Moral Responsibility

2011-09-17 Thread Joseph Maurer
Hi Mark and all, I have been trying to explore the basis in logic for essence! Essence is only perceived in a logical construct. There is no way to discern its independent existence. Evolution is a description of levels in existence. Existence is realized in the discernable logical baggage,

Re: [MD] What is determinism?

2011-09-17 Thread david buchanan
Andre, Ron, and y'all: As I usually use the terms, today metaphysics is just the broadest and most general branch philosophy and that's just fine. The problem is that metaphysicians of the past have so often made objection claims about the nature of reality, claims that involve positing a

Re: [MD] Nagarjuna and the MOQ

2011-09-17 Thread 118
Hi Ham, I was going to get to these quotes of Marsha's, but I am fine to follow your lead. As stated, the Western interpretation of Buddhism (a term coined by the West in the early 1900's, over two thousand years since such teachings have been in existence) is insufficient since it relies

Re: [MD] Some Pirsigian words from Steve Jobs

2011-09-17 Thread John Carl
Personally, MRB, I'm a huge Jobs fan. I mean, I followed Apple from the get-go and yearned for Steve's unique touch during the Non-Jobs years. And what was he doing then? Pixar and NeXt! I mean, imo, those two things were cooler than cool and getting Apple to adopt the unix shell was pure

Re: [MD] Taking Words Seriously

2011-09-17 Thread Matt Kundert
Hi Dave, The opening thing to remark before my itemized comments below is that I don't see the way in which your responses are effective ripostes to the point I'd like to make about amateur philosophy and creativity. I can't quite see how they connect to the overarching issue. They might

Re: [MD] Metaphysical Baggage

2011-09-17 Thread david buchanan
Steve rep lied to dmb: ...What the hell are you talking about? I just said (as I have been saying all along) it is reasonable to think of the MOQ as supporting free will depending on how far you are willing to go in re-describing free will in order to be able to lend MOQ support to it (i.e. as

Re: [MD] Taking Words Seriously

2011-09-17 Thread david buchanan
Matt said to dmb: ...In your description of DQ as not blank at all, but rich and thick and overflowing, does this come from the idea that there are little particulates of sand that one sorts? dmb says: No, as I read it DQ is the ENDLESS landscape and the sand sorting is static. It's like

Re: [MD] Dear Lila

2011-09-17 Thread Dan Glover
After we buried my father mother moved us off the reservation, taking us west to live with her relatives on the Pacific coast in northern California. We drove father’s old pick up truck fifteen hundred miles stopping every hour to jack up the back end hammering the rear axle back into place with a

Re: [MD] Moral Responsibility

2011-09-17 Thread 118
Hi Joe, I am happy to partake. I am not an accepted Essentialist, so my opinion only rests on the conversations that Ham and I have had over the years, and my reading of his web site and related references. I will provide an opinion below. On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 1:40 PM, Joseph Maurer