OCEANS
by Juan Ramon Jimenez
I have a feeling that my boat
has struck, down there in the depths,
against a great thing.
And nothing
happens! Nothing...Silence...Waves...
--Nothing happens? Or has everything happened,
and are we
Greetings,
Bob Doyle stated that W.J. was the first! And he bemoaned that other
philosophers borrowed from W.J. without giving him proper credit. But that's
just foolishness. It has been documented that W.J. read and reread, in the
often cited crisis period of his life, Buddhist and
Hi Dan, Ron, Matt,
I didn't mean to imply any backtracking in the sense of Pirsig
changing his mind about DQ. I hadn't yet even formed much of an
opinion on the matter and was throwing out some textual evidence that
we should deal with in forming a view.
In Pirsig's claim of having made an
Hi dmb,
Steve said:
I watched all those videos this morning. ...Bob Doyle sure seems to think
he's got this problem licked. He seems more evangelist than philosopher at
times.
dmb says:
I watched Bob Doyle's lecture on Jamesian free will too and it's hard to
imagine what could be more
Hi Ian,
Ian said:
The good thing about that exchange dmb Steve, is that it's on topic.
Causation.
Steve:
Is that what you have been wanting to talk about? Why didn't you just say so?
Is there something you wanted to say about it? I see causality as an
intellectual pattern of value--one of
Greeting,
One more time I hear Quantum Mechanics is the best confirmed physical theory
in history.Oh really?Ahhh, will it have an impact on Roger Penrose's
Quantum Consciousness?
Anyway, I just ordered at two-volume dvd set with David Chalmers the major
Contributor. Here's the
Here's Susan Blackmore on free will (4:35):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rglQHgMdHuQfeature=related
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Taleb would remind us that All swans are white was as well confirmed
as any theory in history until the first black one was found.
On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 3:06 PM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
Greeting,
One more time I hear Quantum Mechanics is the best confirmed physical theory
in
So cool is Taleb!!! His book should be required reading for one and all...
On Oct 3, 2011, at 3:10 PM, Steven Peterson wrote:
Taleb would remind us that All swans are white was as well confirmed
as any theory in history until the first black one was found.
On Mon, Oct 3, 2011
Hi Dan and all,
Yes! I see emotions as the indefinable conscious level in evolution. A
direct perception of DQ. Emotions become subject to intellectual logic in
the metaphysical reality DQ/SQ. DQ precedes SQ communication.
How can negation, not this, not that, describe an indefinable reality?
Marsha to no one in particular:
I ask again: How does William James improve the MoQ? As far as I can see it
does not. It just points backwards and has nothing to say about Quality,
static patterns, or the hierarchical, evolutionary structure that helps
evaluate many conflicting patterns.
On Oct 3, 2011, at 4:19 PM, Andre Broersen wrote:
Marsha to no one in particular:
I ask again: How does William James improve the MoQ? As far as I can see it
does not. It just points backwards and has nothing to say about Quality,
static patterns, or the hierarchical, evolutionary
Andre and y'all:
Thanks, Andre, but I think you might be giving Marsha's question more credit
than it deserves and I seriously doubt that she's seeking any real answers. In
fact, the question is quite phony. It implies that someone has claimed that
James can improve the MOQ. If anyone made
On Oct 3, 2011, at 5:32 PM, david buchanan wrote:
Andre and y'all:
Thanks, Andre, but I think you might be giving Marsha's question more credit
than it deserves and I seriously doubt that she's seeking any real answers.
In fact, the question is quite phony. It implies that someone has
Steve said to dmb:
..Anyway, are you suggesting here that Boyle's Two-Stage model for
understanding Jamesian free will, is what Pirsig means by freedom? ...It
[Doyle's lecture to the William James Society at Harvard] would perhaps have
helped you if the issue was that I didn't understand what
On Oct 3, 2011, at 6:17 PM, david buchanan wrote:
Steve said to dmb:
..Anyway, are you suggesting here that Boyle's Two-Stage model for
understanding Jamesian free will, is what Pirsig means by freedom? ...It
[Doyle's lecture to the William James Society at Harvard] would perhaps have
Hey Dan,
Dan said:
Yes I see what you mean... although I took a form of backtrack
from your previous post which I mistakenly attributed to Steve.
Matt:
Me? That doesn't sound like one of my words that I use when
reading Pirsig. Hm.
Matt said:
My intervention tried to bring out how I think
Any person of any philosophic persuasion who sits on a hot stove will verify
without any intellectual argument whatsoever that he is in an undeniably
low-quality situation: that the _value_ of his predicament is negative.
I like to think that Pirsig's hot stove example was meant to be
Ron, Steve, DMB [Joe mentioned]--
Ron said:
It's what the majority of the arguement has been about, the idea
of DQ being a place holder for the indefinable AND an
explanation of the Good and the beautiful.
RMP:
Any person of any philosophic persuasion who sits on a hot stove
will verify
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