Re: [MD] Who are the MOQ's best friends?

2011-07-22 Thread Ian Glendinning
Dan said, ... notice how skillfully Robert Pirsig uses praise ... ... we could learn a great deal from this here... ... God knows I am as guilty as the next person in condemning and criticizing. ... Just something to consider,  that's all. As I keep saying ... peace, love and understanding ain't

Re: [MD] Who are the MOQ's best friends?

2011-07-22 Thread MarshaV
Marsha: I hope you are not implying that the praises were falsely presented to lessen the impact. That would be one way to pattern (interpret) the statement. I still see Platt and Bo as brilliant. I wonder if Mr. Pirsig has thought any poster 100% correct. If not, his same statement of

Re: [MD] The Quality of Free Will

2011-07-22 Thread MarshaV
Sorry everyone my atrocious typing edition skills presented the Textbook quote incorrectly. Dave, I've offered quotes on Buddhism from the MoQ Textbook. Maybe you think Anthony is confused and nihilistic? In the MoQ Textbook Anthony writes that the fundamental nature of the static

Re: [MD] [Bulk] Quality Topped with Guac-a-mole

2011-07-22 Thread MarshaV
Hi Mark, Don't know of KBA, because without TV there is less BS. Marsha On Jul 21, 2011, at 11:21 PM, 118 wrote: Hi Marsha, K.B.A. was accused of killing her child in Florida. The Jury found her innocent. Now her defense lawyer is receiving death threats. Need I say more?

Re: [MD] Who are the MOQ's best friends?

2011-07-22 Thread 118
Woof! Mark On Jul 22, 2011, at 4:31 AM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote: Or neither accept God, nor deny God, so MU. Marsha On Jul 21, 2011, at 11:26 PM, 118 wrote: Quality knows that God has never had any better friends than Platt and Bo. Any atheist religion must believe in

Re: [MD] The Quality of Free Will

2011-07-22 Thread Jan-Anders Andersson
Hi Marsha Before you dive into the deep. Have you ever read this? It's an excerpt from a letter written by RMP to Anthony McWatt, March 23, 1997: ... The MOQ is in agreement with the Buddhist law of Dependent Origination and regards this law as an excellent explanation of how Dynamic Quality

Re: [MD] The Quality of Free Will

2011-07-22 Thread MarshaV
J-A, And? That was 1996. Published in 2005, in the Textbook, Anthony writes that the fundamental nature of the static is the Dynamic: Moreover, Nagarjuna (1966, p.251) shares Pirsig’s perception that the indeterminate (or Dynamic) is the fundamental nature of the conditioned (or static).

Re: [MD] The Quality of Free Will

2011-07-22 Thread MarshaV
J-A, On Jul 22, 2011, at 10:23 AM, Jan-Anders Andersson wrote: Hi Marsha Before you dive into the deep. Have you ever read this? It's an excerpt from a letter written by RMP to Anthony McWatt, March 23, 1997: ... The MOQ is in agreement with the Buddhist law of Dependent Origination

Re: [MD] The Quality of Free Will

2011-07-22 Thread MarshaV
Did the Wright brother pursue flight because of suffering? I don't think so... On Jul 22, 2011, at 10:46 AM, MarshaV wrote: J-A, On Jul 22, 2011, at 10:23 AM, Jan-Anders Andersson wrote: Hi Marsha Before you dive into the deep. Have you ever read this? It's an excerpt from a

Re: [MD] The Quality of Free Will

2011-07-22 Thread MarshaV
Sometimes it is good just to put the top down on that cart and just FLY!!! On Jul 22, 2011, at 10:49 AM, MarshaV wrote: Did the Wright brother pursue flight because of suffering? I don't think so... On Jul 22, 2011, at 10:46 AM, MarshaV wrote: J-A, On Jul 22, 2011, at

Re: [MD] Who are the MOQ's best friends?

2011-07-22 Thread Steven Peterson
Hi Dan, On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 11:48 PM, Dan Glover daneglo...@gmail.com wrote: Hello everyone On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 8:37 PM, Steven Peterson peterson.st...@gmail.com wrote: LC annotation 126. God knows, the MOQ has never had two better friends than Bo and Platt. Dan: Yes... notice

Re: [MD] Who are the MOQ's best friends?

2011-07-22 Thread Dan Glover
Hello everyone On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 11:26 AM, Steven Peterson peterson.st...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Dan, On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 11:48 PM, Dan Glover daneglo...@gmail.com wrote: Hello everyone On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 8:37 PM, Steven Peterson peterson.st...@gmail.com wrote: LC annotation

Re: [MD] The Quality of Free Will

2011-07-22 Thread Andre Broersen
J-A to Marsha: The Buddhists however, say that the source of patterns is ignorance, whereas the MOQ says the source of the patterns is the nothingness of Dynamic Quality. When it is said that the static patterns arise from Dynamic Quality the non-dualistic view of the world so characteristic

Re: [MD] Who are the MOQ's best friends?

2011-07-22 Thread Dan Glover
Hello everyone On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 4:12 AM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote: Marsha: I hope you are not implying that the praises were falsely presented to lessen the impact. Dan: Did I say that? Marsha: That would be one way to pattern (interpret) the statement. Dan: If that is how

Re: [MD] Who are the MOQ's best friends?

2011-07-22 Thread MarshaV
Hello Dan, On Jul 22, 2011, at 2:06 PM, Dan Glover wrote: Hello everyone On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 4:12 AM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote: Marsha: I hope you are not implying that the praises were falsely presented to lessen the impact. Dan: Did I say that? Marsha: No, and I wrote

Re: [MD] Who are the MOQ's best friends?

2011-07-22 Thread Dan Glover
Hello everyone On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 12:17 PM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote: Hello Dan, On Jul 22, 2011, at 2:06 PM, Dan Glover wrote: Hello everyone On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 4:12 AM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote: Marsha: I hope you are not implying that the praises were falsely

Re: [MD] The Quality of Free Will

2011-07-22 Thread david buchanan
dmb says to Dan: I'm asking about the notion you've been hammering upon: the notion that it is our behavior that is without choice, and not us. What is the difference between our behavior being without choice and us being without choice. How is that NOT the same thing? The question was, if our

Re: [MD] Who are the MOQ's best friends?

2011-07-22 Thread david buchanan
Yes, it's a very effective rhetorical technique. God knows the knife slides in so much easier if you butter them up first. Just something to laugh at, that's all. Dan comments: Really, we could learn a great deal from this here. And God (it is meant as a literary device, not an actual

Re: [MD] A Confusion of Weasels

2011-07-22 Thread John Carl
Well, I'm thankful for Al, and lots of other giants of old, but when I look around me today, at the kind of society we have and the kinds of individuals it produces - the next Einsteins, supposedly, I'm not surprised that the MoQ is not more popular. Thus my duh. Lady Gaga trumps Robert M.

[MD] MOQ and CTMU

2011-07-22 Thread Tuukka Virtaperko
Has anyone heard of Cognitive Theoretic Model of the Universe, that is, CTMU? Developed by Chris Langan (according to some, the smartest man in America with regards to IQ), it features a concept called telic recursion, which is quite similar to Quality in MOQ. CTMU features the supertautology,

Re: [MD] A Confusion of Weasels

2011-07-22 Thread John Carl
On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 10:23 PM, 118 ununocti...@gmail.com wrote: Hi John, Hi Mark. Now you know I care about you, or at least you do now. I feel like your a caring guy and an MoQ friend of mine, yes. I don't think your lifestyle is very healthy at present. I would suggest you stop

Re: [MD] The Quality of Free Will

2011-07-22 Thread david buchanan
All interested MOQers: Dave T said: ...The MoQ is Zen in a Pendleton blanket. Most, not all, but most of the confusion in the MoQ is the confusion with and within Buddhism. The MoQ it is an attempt by a Westerner with a tiny amount of Eastern experience and smidgen of Zen experience to

Re: [MD] A Confusion of Weasels

2011-07-22 Thread david buchanan
John said to Ian: Oh yeah, you wanna know what's so funny about peace, love and understanding? Is that they are so necessary for existence, and yet so shunned in practice. Hilarious! dmb says: Elvis expresses a fine sentiment. The problem is that you're invoking it here, in a discussion

Re: [MD] A Confusion of Weasels

2011-07-22 Thread John Carl
Evenin', dave. On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 7:00 PM, david buchanan dmbucha...@hotmail.comwrote: John said to Ian: Oh yeah, you wanna know what's so funny about peace, love and understanding? Is that they are so necessary for existence, and yet so shunned in practice. Hilarious! dmb says:

Re: [MD] The Quality of Free Will

2011-07-22 Thread John Carl
Hi J-A, You ask a good question. I like good questions Is there a way, is it possible to make classic and romantic oriented people to understand each other? I think yes. Two things are necessary - first, realization. When classic people understand that romantic people think differently,

Re: [MD] The Quality of Free Will

2011-07-22 Thread MarshaV
Dmb, Interesting because James's radical empiricism and pragmatism turns into ethical relativism without the evolutionary help of the four levels. It seems it was evolutionary progress that James needed too. Remember the discussion about the holocaust producing satisfaction for the Nazis?

Re: [MD] Who are the MOQ's best friends?

2011-07-22 Thread Dan Glover
Hello everyone On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 5:33 PM, david buchanan dmbucha...@hotmail.com wrote: Yes, it's a very effective rhetorical technique. Dan: Well, Dave... it is a little more than an effective rhetorical technique. It is grounded in the science of influence. And whether you care to

Re: [MD] The Quality of Free Will

2011-07-22 Thread Dan Glover
On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 4:30 PM, david buchanan dmbucha...@hotmail.com wrote: dmb says to Dan: I'm asking about the notion you've been hammering upon: the notion that it is our behavior that is without choice, and not us. What is the difference between our behavior being without choice and

Re: [MD] A Confusion of Weasels

2011-07-22 Thread Dan Glover
Hello everyone On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 7:00 PM, david buchanan dmbucha...@hotmail.com wrote: John said to Ian: Oh yeah, you wanna know what's so funny about peace, love and understanding? Is that they are so necessary for existence, and yet so shunned in practice.   Hilarious! dmb says: