Re: [MD] theories of truth

2013-05-24 Thread MarshaV
Copleston text: In point of fact, however, 'judgment is not the synthesis of ideas, but the reference of ideal content to reality'. And it is Bradley's contention that the latent and ultimate subject of any judgment is reality as a whole, reality, we may say, with a capital letter. 'Not only

Re: [MD] theories of truth

2013-05-24 Thread MarshaV
On the subject of: Strictly speaking, the creation of any metaphysics is an immoral act since it's a lower form of evolution, intellect, trying to devour a higher mystic one. The same thing that's wrong with philosophology when it tries to control and devour philosophy is wrong with

Re: [MD] theories of truth

2013-05-24 Thread MarshaV
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Re: [MD] theories of truth

2013-05-24 Thread X Acto
Subject: Re: [MD] theories of truth Strictly speaking, the creation of any metaphysics is an immoral act since it's a lower form of evolution, intellect, trying to devour a higher mystic one. The same thing that's wrong with philosophology when it tries to control and devour philosophy is

Re: [MD] theories of truth

2013-05-24 Thread David Harding
djh wrote: And so I conclude - Marsha is a mystic and has no interest in intellectual quality or questions about whether something exists before we think about it. Marsha responded with a Copleston annotation: In point of fact, however, 'judgment is not the synthesis of ideas, but the

Re: [MD] theories of truth

2013-05-24 Thread MarshaV
David, On May 23, 2013, at 6:48 AM, David Harding davidjhard...@gmail.com wrote: David Harding: And so I conclude - Marsha is a mystic and has no interest in intellectual quality or questions about whether something exists before we think about it. Marsha: So, David, EITHER I discuss with you

Re: [MD] theories of truth

2013-05-24 Thread David Harding
Strictly speaking, the creation of any metaphysics is an immoral act since it's a lower form of evolution, intellect, trying to devour a higher mystic one. The same thing that's wrong with philosophology when it tries to control and devour philosophy is wrong with metaphysics when it

Re: [MD] theories of truth

2013-05-24 Thread David Harding
Marsha, It is precisely *because* you're such a mystic that the intellectual question makes no sense to you. It's like asking a Victorian whose only interested in social values what the biological value of the human body is. They didn't have the slightest idea. They wouldn't understand the

Re: [MD] theories of truth

2013-05-24 Thread MarshaV
David, Dmb seems to like to label me a James hater; he is like a baby. I read James' biography and thought it quite interesting because he tried to synthesize the Eastern wisdom into a Western psychology/philosophy. But I prefer the Eastern point-of-view - always have. And neither am I

Re: [MD] theories of truth

2013-05-24 Thread Joseph Maurer
Hi MarshaV and All, Experience is too vague to support evolution DQ/SQ. Both DQ and SQ are meaningful metaphysical terms dynamic quality indefinable and static quality definable. Joe On 5/23/13 1:21 PM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote: Hi Joe, Don't you think that Quality as experience

Re: [MD] theories of truth

2013-05-24 Thread david buchanan
dmb said to David Harding: WHY is it immoral to create a metaphysics? Because it is a case of intellect, a lower form of evolution, ..trying to devour a higher mystic one. This is another way of saying that Quality cannot be defined, that we ought not try to squeeze reality into words and

Re: [MD] theories of truth

2013-05-24 Thread david buchanan
Amoral objectivity (value-free science) is the problem. The solution is to ditch this genetically flawed conception of rationality for an expanded rationality in which knowledge and truth IS a species of value. And yet the anti-intellectualists would like us to believe that intellectual values

Re: [MD] theories of truth

2013-05-24 Thread David Harding
Ron commented on this dispute: ... One then has to ask Marsha and Dave H. if they side with the christians in this matter in which we are all born with the original sin of knowing good. At least that is what they seem to be saying when they use that quote out of context as support to the

Re: [MD] theories of truth

2013-05-24 Thread david buchanan
dmb said to Ron: ...But what really kills me is the oblivious evasion of every argument. David H did not even address the objection but simply repeated the same mistake more emphatically. I said it was asinine and explained why it makes to sense and yet it was as if I said nothing at all. And

Re: [MD] theories of truth

2013-05-24 Thread MarshaV
dmb, On May 24, 2013, at 4:21 PM, david buchanan dmbucha...@hotmail.com wrote: Concerning the RMP quote (printed below) dmb writes: Is this a case of intellect, a lower form of evolution, ..trying to devour a higher mystic one? Are we supposed to slam the breaks on scientific progress

Re: [MD] theories of truth

2013-05-24 Thread david buchanan
John and Sylvia, the Sutherlands, were real people but in Pirsig's first book they also represented millions of people who, like them, felt alienated by technology and our technological world. We start out with ghost stories and little repair lessons involving handlebars and beer-can shims. But

Re: [MD] theories of truth

2013-05-24 Thread David Harding
dmb said: Are we having a conversation or are you just going to repeat the same nonsense over and over again? Address the damn argument or shut up.. the definition of a philosophical concept or term is not degenerate because philosophical concepts and terms are not the mystic reality. The