I thought I would introduce myself seeing as how Gary has taken the plunge,
I first read ZAMM seven years ago whilst homeless and now have a job using
Pirsigs troubleshooting methods on the next generation of Digital
Communications, that book totally changed my life. I look forward to more of
For a less mystical/academic desscription of
Enlightenment/samadhi/kundalini/satori reading Glenn Morris's books would
clear up a lot of this confusion and some of the bad analogies. seeing as
how the subject of compassion has allready been raised I will comment on
that; meditation of certain
I'd tend to agree, mindfullness or moment to moment awareness is not how I
understand Enlightenment to be in its entirety, merely an aspect. Regarding
previous comments about compassion I'll quote RMP's Lila
Because Quality is morality. Make no mistake about it. They're identical.
And if
I do like the idea of an essay collection, why not kick it off on the web?
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From: Jonathan B. Marder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 19 May 2001 19:05
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Subject: Re: MD An Introduction to the Metaphysics of Quality
Hi Dan, Diana and all,
I think
No-one ever inspired people by advocating lower standards, I read these
postings to get more out of a fascinating pair of books and to see what
light others regard them in. If individuals aren't allowed to push
themselves to the higher standards they set themselves then they may not
bother to
but the system that produced the responses is intact and as time has shown
will reproduce another similar individual-the problem hasn't been fixed and
more people will get hurt as a result (RMP talks about the thought system
that produces all the facories etc, if it isn't destroyed in a
I totally agree your sheedness, what I wrote isn't as clear as I could have
made it, re-read it in the light of someone who is against the death
penalty, sorry.
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Sent: 25 May 2001 18:25
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Subject:
The approach the old timers have is generally all Quality related even
though they may not be directly aware of it.I work in an Electronics
manufacturing plant and problems frequently arise that if not solved fairly
quickly result in losses of £100 000s and more in terms of penalty clauses,
lost
The line a groping 5th level caught my interest and i wanted to know if
the moq is aware of research into the brain which has some parallels with
moq on some levels, below are two quotes which i found interesting as DR
Elaine De Beauport(see link below) considers the intellect to be responsible
With regards to the anology of the Bottom on the hot stove sensing a low
quality environment (and getting away from the low quality environment), how
does the MOQ describe the sensing or formulation/awareness of the lowQ and
its transmission to the appropriate limbs/wings? to escape. Could this
Jonathan said
The whole existence of a static pattern is in reference to the dynamic, so
the static pattern *IS* a response to the dynamic. I also note that every
static pattern encompasses a degree of dynamism in the things it allows to
vary.
I agree with you here, i think static
.my earlier post might (big might) make more/some sense if i quote the
uberdood himself
.When A.N.Whitehead wrote that 'nankind is driven forward by dim
apprehensions of things too obscure for its existing language' he was
writing about Dynamic Quality. Dynamic Quality is the
own personal life, and the fruits of that life, which are still with us,
were gained only at great sacrifice.
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Sent: 22 June 2001 20:23
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Subject: MD A fifth quality level?
Stephen Devlin
Looking for a way to 'permanently experience DQ'was a challenge where i
don't think there's a successful outcome so we agree there.
Quality is in the pre-intellectual perception of
thing.I would call the void an area that is pre-perception and above the
intellectual, when i did martial arts
below are some quotes from an interview david bohm gave that i think show
some interesting parallel's with RMP
and the MOQ,the full interview has a link below the quotes so you can see
them in full context.If anyone could help out I tried earlier to locate the
prevoius threads on a 5th order but
even if entropy has no upper limit, isn't there a point where it will have
increased sufficiently to have extinguished life, admittedly the universe
will continue on but thats small comfort to a one sun solar system if life
as we know it dies out.Dynamic Quality is evolution and the threat of
hello aretelaugh,I agree with you that violence sometimes is an option, a
civilised man knows when it is called for and when it is futile. A lot of
the martial arts around today have their origins in forms dating back 100's
of years to a 1000yrs, in many cases the origin of these martial arts was
I agree with you on the subject of firearms but they do have a place (last
night I watched a documentary on how the Taliban have been massacring their
own Afghan countrymen, wiping out villages etc,there was film showing people
being executed for no reason, the villagers value their lives and are
Bo said
the point is that I have come to regard the intellectual level
as the crux. Most people tend to look upon it as consciousness or
MIND (of what Pirsig calls SOM) but it should rather be regarded
as the mind/matter division itself. The very idea of a subject
observing an objective
welcome Mr Blade, as much as i find McVeigh's actions reprehensible (I've
been in a situation where there were terrorist bombs going off in Manchester
UK) as a source of thought and as a sick human being he should not have been
executed. he'd been caught, tried and convicted and posed no further
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From: Platt Holden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 28 June 2001 20:26
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Subject: RE: MD A fifth quality level?
Hi Stephen Devlin:
STEPHEN:
The intellect likes hierarchies, boxes, tables and further abstractions
but the Anahorov-Bohm effect
But language/imagination isn't Quality's Intellect, we may safely
assume that cave-dwellers spoke as complex (grammatically) a
language as ourselves,...
I don't think thats a safe assumption really, what are you basing that
assumption on?
One experiment i have read about that is
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