Re: MX204 Virtual Chassis Setup

2023-08-28 Thread Dave Cohen
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Re: MX204 Virtual Chassis Setup

2023-08-28 Thread Tom Beecher
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Re: MX204 Virtual Chassis Setup

2023-08-28 Thread Pascal Masha
Sounds more like a Huawei roadmap oops, didn't mean to mention names :) On Sun, 27 Aug 2023, 07:02 Mark Tinka, wrote: > > > On 8/27/23 04:52, Eric Kuhnke wrote: > > > I sincerely doubt there is much demand for *new* 40G these days. > > > > Look at the population of 40G members on major IXes. >

Re: MX204 Virtual Chassis Setup

2023-08-28 Thread Mike Hammett
rk Tinka" To: "Mike Hammett" Cc: nanog@nanog.org Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2023 10:33:07 PM Subject: Re: MX204 Virtual Chassis Setup On 8/28/23 03:05, Mike Hammett wrote: Well, or they simply found a potential deal on hardware that came with 40 gig ports. 40 gigs is still

Re: MX204 Virtual Chassis Setup

2023-08-28 Thread Eric Kuhnke
Look at the population of 100G ports at the SIX in Seattle as well. I think there's a total of maybe four 40G members out of hundreds. 100G really is the new 10. On Sun, Aug 27, 2023, 10:56 PM Daniel Marks via NANOG wrote: > (Enterprise AS for context) > > This hasn’t been my experience in the

Re: MX204 Virtual Chassis Setup

2023-08-28 Thread Mark Tinka
On 8/28/23 07:55, Daniel Marks wrote: (Enterprise AS for context) This hasn’t been my experience in the US, however we mostly deal in tier 2 markets (I.e. Detroit, Miami, Dallas, etc…) and we have plenty of 40G private interconnects. I don’t doubt 40G is going away, I’ve just never had

Re: MX204 Virtual Chassis Setup

2023-08-27 Thread Daniel Marks via NANOG
(Enterprise AS for context) This hasn’t been my experience in the US, however we mostly deal in tier 2 markets (I.e. Detroit, Miami, Dallas, etc…) and we have plenty of 40G private interconnects. I don’t doubt 40G is going away, I’ve just never had trouble using it around here. The only time

Re: MX204 Virtual Chassis Setup

2023-08-27 Thread Mark Tinka
On 8/28/23 03:05, Mike Hammett wrote: Well, or they simply found a potential deal on hardware that came with 40 gig ports. 40 gigs is still a lot of bits to a lot of people. For internal use, sure. But when connecting to another AS, the chances of them supporting 40Gbps in one or more

Re: MX204 Virtual Chassis Setup

2023-08-27 Thread Mike Hammett
Tinka" To: nanog@nanog.org Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2023 10:59:36 PM Subject: Re: MX204 Virtual Chassis Setup On 8/27/23 04:52, Eric Kuhnke wrote: > I sincerely doubt there is much demand for *new* 40G these days. > > Look at the population of 40G members on major IXes. >

Re: MX204 Virtual Chassis Setup

2023-08-26 Thread Mark Tinka
On 8/27/23 04:52, Eric Kuhnke wrote: I sincerely doubt there is much demand for *new* 40G these days. Look at the population of 40G members on major IXes. People have either one 10G, 2 x 10G, or 100G. 40G was a dead-end 9 years ago and much so more now. We have customers that sometimes

Re: MX204 Virtual Chassis Setup

2023-08-26 Thread Eric Kuhnke
I sincerely doubt there is much demand for *new* 40G these days. Look at the population of 40G members on major IXes. People have either one 10G, 2 x 10G, or 100G. 40G was a dead-end 9 years ago and much so more now. On Wed, Aug 23, 2023 at 9:38 AM Aaron Gould wrote: > some of these port

Re: MX204 Virtual Chassis Setup

2023-08-25 Thread Mark Tinka
On 8/26/23 00:54, Tom Beecher wrote: It would, sure. Instead of storing a single prefix/next-hop with flags in memory, you now have to store every prefix/next-hop that you are announcing as well. Indeed. But it has been worth it. The load balancing from PE-to-PE has been fantastic,

Re: MX204 Virtual Chassis Setup

2023-08-25 Thread Tom Beecher
> > On MX480 16GB RE's running two full BGP feeds but hundreds of customer > sessions, Add-Paths really eats into RAM. > It would, sure. Instead of storing a single prefix/next-hop with flags in memory, you now have to store every prefix/next-hop that you are announcing as well. On Fri, Aug 25,

Re: MX204 Virtual Chassis Setup

2023-08-25 Thread Aaron1
No VC here, unsure if it works, but yeah, we like them and deploy them in pairs for metro-e (ce) and cbh for vlans carried over mpls pw Reliable for us Aaron > On Aug 25, 2023, at 4:40 PM, Mark Tinka wrote: > >  > >> On 8/25/23 19:16, Tom Beecher wrote: >> >> In my experience and testing

Re: MX204 Virtual Chassis Setup

2023-08-25 Thread Mark Tinka
On 8/25/23 19:16, Tom Beecher wrote: In my experience and testing with them, you have a decent bit of headroom past the published RIB/FIB limits before they'll fall over. They are holding up pretty well for us, mainly because we do a lot more BGP on MX480's than on MX204's. We use the

Re: MX204 Virtual Chassis Setup

2023-08-25 Thread Tom Beecher
> > On another note, the potential issue we might run into is pressure on > control plane memory on the MX204 for us that run BGP Add-Paths. You can > always upgrade the RE on an MX240/480/960, but the MX204 is fixed (and > last time I checked, fiddling with Juniper RE memory was generally >

Re: MX204 Virtual Chassis Setup

2023-08-25 Thread Mark Tinka
On 8/23/23 17:14, Matt Erculiani wrote: Does Fusion not make sense in this case? I've not had a ton of experience with it, but it does well to add a crazy port count to an otherwise very port limited device. In small edge PoP's, we attach an Arista 1U switch with tons of 1/10Gbps ports

Re: MX204 Virtual Chassis Setup

2023-08-24 Thread Andrey Kostin
Aaron Gould писал(а) 2023-08-23 12:38: some of these port capabilities are weird to me.  like on the ACX7100-48L you can do 4x100 or 8x50, but ONLY one 40g ?! me@7100> show chassis pic pic-slot 0 fpc-slot 0 | find 400   48 0   1x400G 1x100G 1x40G 4x100G 2x100G 8x50G 2x50G 4x25G 4x10G

Re: MX204 Virtual Chassis Setup

2023-08-23 Thread Mark Tinka
On 8/23/23 18:29, t...@pelican.org wrote: Not Trio, and different PLM :) Yes, aware... I was just speaking in general for what is likely to be a very popular platform :-). MX304 (well, strictly LMIC16) has the same restriction, and a need for another entry in the magic port checker

Re: MX204 Virtual Chassis Setup

2023-08-23 Thread Aaron Gould
some of these port capabilities are weird to me.  like on the ACX7100-48L you can do 4x100 or 8x50, but ONLY one 40g ?! me@7100> show chassis pic pic-slot 0 fpc-slot 0 | find 400   48 0   1x400G 1x100G 1x40G 4x100G 2x100G 8x50G 2x50G 4x25G 4x10G 3x100G   49 0   1x400G 1x100G

Re: MX204 Virtual Chassis Setup

2023-08-23 Thread t...@pelican.org
On Wednesday, 23 August, 2023 16:33, "Mark Tinka" said: [faceplate oversubscription] > On the new ACX line, yes. Not Trio, and different PLM :) > We don't mess around with any other MX products, so not sure (although > we are still yet to deploy the MPC10E's and the MX304). MX304 (well,

Re: MX204 Virtual Chassis Setup

2023-08-23 Thread Mark Tinka
On 8/23/23 17:01, Tom Beecher wrote: I'm not sure they allow oversubscription on anything in the MX line anymore honestly. I could be wrong, I've been face down in a specific subset of equipment for a while, someone please correct me if I am. On the new ACX line, yes. If I look at the

Re: MX204 Virtual Chassis Setup

2023-08-23 Thread Matt Erculiani
Does Fusion not make sense in this case? I've not had a ton of experience with it, but it does well to add a crazy port count to an otherwise very port limited device. -Matt On Wed, Aug 23, 2023 at 9:01 AM Tom Beecher wrote: > What would have been nice is if Juniper oversubscribed the face

Re: MX204 Virtual Chassis Setup

2023-08-23 Thread Tom Beecher
> > What would have been nice is if Juniper oversubscribed the face plate of > this platform, as most people are more likely to run out of ports than > they would the 400Gbps forwarding capacity of Trio. > You're restricted to 400G because they did fixed lane allocations to the EA chip on the PFE

Re: MX204 Virtual Chassis Setup

2023-08-23 Thread Mark Tinka
On 8/23/23 08:00, Pascal Masha wrote: Thanks just wanted to know whether it was a supported feature. What would have been nice is if Juniper oversubscribed the face plate of this platform, as most people are more likely to run out of ports than they would the 400Gbps forwarding capacity

Re: MX204 Virtual Chassis Setup

2023-08-23 Thread Pascal Masha
Thanks just wanted to know whether it was a supported feature. On Tue, 22 Aug 2023, 21:00 Chris, wrote: > No, but they do however work just great as an active-active pair of > routers when cross linked and iBGP peered to each other and everything > downstream connected to each one. > > Chris >

Re: MX204 Virtual Chassis Setup

2023-08-22 Thread Chris
No, but they do however work just great as an active-active pair of routers when cross linked and iBGP peered to each other and everything downstream connected to each one. Chris On Mon, Aug 21, 2023 at 9:43 AM Pascal Masha wrote: > Hello, > > Does the MX204 support virtual chassis setup? > >

Re: MX204 Virtual Chassis Setup

2023-08-21 Thread Mark Tinka
On 8/21/23 16:51, Ryan Hamel wrote: Paschal, It is not supported, nor is it recommended for redundancy in a routed setup. Please describe your (desired) topology, that way the community can discuss alternatives. Sounds like the OP wants to build a chassis-based system out of

Re: MX204 Virtual Chassis Setup

2023-08-21 Thread Ryan Hamel
, 2023 7:41 AM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: MX204 Virtual Chassis Setup Caution: This is an external email and may be malicious. Please take care when clicking links or opening attachments. Hello, Does the MX204 support virtual chassis setup? Regards, Paschal Masha

MX204 Virtual Chassis Setup

2023-08-21 Thread Pascal Masha
Hello, Does the MX204 support virtual chassis setup? Regards, Paschal Masha