Re: [NetBehaviour] Rojava campaign powered by female:pressure

[marc garrett]

Much thanks,

Great stuff - will listen to & share ;-)

marc

On 11 April 2016 at 14:07, helen varley jamieson <
he...@creative-catalyst.com> wrote:

> congratulations, antye! :)
>
> On 7/04/16 4:28 17PM, AGF poemproducer wrote:
>
> dear list, rmember the call for Rojava … here the results….
>
> fyi
> agee
>
>
> IN 2015 the International network female:pressure (1700 members, 65
> countries) launched an online music, awareness & solidarity campaign with
> the women fighters & the Rojava revolution via multiple media outlets.
>
> Please visit these pages to see the wide spread impact:
>
> female:pressure project page
> http://www.femalepressure.net/rojava.html
>
> Soundcloud - 30 000 listens (April 2016)
> https://soundcloud.com/femalepressure/sets/rojava-female-pressure
>
> Bandcamp / Donations - approx 600 €  (April 2016)
>
> https://femalepressure.bandcamp.com/album/music-awareness-solidarity-w-rojava-revolution
>
> List of press results
> https://femalepressure.wordpress.com/press-review/
>
> CTM Festival Berlin Panel 150 participants, streaming 200€ donation to
> Rojava women
> http://www.femalepressure.net/rojava.html
>
> Best album FACT MAG 2016
> http://www.factmag.com/2016/03/25/best-albums-first-quarter-report-2016/
>
> Remarkable review in one of the biggest music magazines
> http://www.factmag.com/2016/03/10/best-bandcamp-releases/2/
>
> Extensive social media out reach through facebook, twitter, tumblr and
> other.
>
> The concrete impact has been in raising awareness in the Western world -
> where talk, work has activated intercultural interest, communication,
> support and solidarity, responsibility and understanding. For example:
> - 1s of women artists were reached worldwide via social media and
> email lists
> - 40 music compositions and artworks were created and contributed which
> have been listened to min. 30 000 times on
> 
> https://soundcloud.com/femalepressure/sets/rojava-female-pressure
> - CTM Festival Berlin hosted a panel with female:pressure on Rojava, where
> we invited Kurdish women activists and artists, with over 150 attendees and
> online streaming of the event, entrance donations (of over 200 Euro) were
> donated directly to Rojava's women support groups.
> - 10+ radio shows were produced on the subject matter, with music and
> interviews
> - 20+ articles were published (e.g. The Quietus, FACT) still ongoing
> - Bandcamp compilation was installed which guarantees an ongoing direct
> donation system to support women in Rojava and the war zone for a safe
> village, revenue so far over 600 Euro / ongoing
> The project has shown that solidarity can be achived through art and music
> and that a real connection can be established for intercultural exchange
> and understanding and common solution projects.
>
> The campaign primarily aims at raising awareness around the resistance
> movement currently taking place in the cantons of #Rojava (located in
> northern Syria), where women participate on all levels of decision making
> and building a new society from scratch, with built-in social, racial and
> ethnic justice, religious freedom, ecological principles and gender
> equality. Despite vast cultural and historical differences between Europe
> and Kurdistan, the campaign uses art & music to bridge these and build
> long-lasting real-life connections based on dialogue and respect, involving
> as many Kurdish musicians and activists as possible (still ongoing).
>
> female:pressure raise awareness for the women of Rojava, their struggle,
> ideas and implementations on the ground including famously defeating areas
> captured by the Islamic State. Mass media have been silent and struggle to
> report on the Kurdish region and the complex issues, due to the danger it
> holds through IS, war, airstrikes by Russia, USA and allies and the Turkish
> war on Kurds. As the PKK is officially named as a terrorist organisation
> (e.g. by USA & the EU), many global and European news platforms do not
> report at all or if so, with a large bias in favour of Turkey's current
> government. The campaign aims to activate a dialog, solidarity with women
> in war, investigate further into these complex issues and not to stay
> stagnant with inaction to the detriment of huge number of human rights
> violations in the area. The challenges addressed are huge: extremely
> complex global politics and economics, post-colonial challenges of war,
> systematic prejudice & inequality, corruption, terrorism, fundamentalism,
> the role of the women in society. Quote from "Women & The Gun": "Rojava is
> a chance for the whole world...[for] energy to continue our fight for a
> better life." Awareness is necessary to activate critical reflection and
> action, the female:pressure network can help activate this.
>
> The target group is the largly uninformed global public. All women and
> feminists are the target group to acknowledge the 

Re: [NetBehaviour] Rojava campaign powered by female:pressure

[helen varley jamieson]

congratulations, antye! :)

On 7/04/16 4:28 17PM, AGF poemproducer wrote:
> dear list, rmember the call for Rojava … here the results….
>
> fyi
> agee
>
>
> IN 2015 the International network female:pressure (1700 members, 65
> countries) launched an online music, awareness & solidarity campaign
> with the women fighters & the Rojava revolution via multiple media
> outlets.
>
> Please visit these pages to see the wide spread impact:
>
> female:pressure project page
> http://www.femalepressure.net/rojava.html
>
> Soundcloud - 30 000 listens (April 2016)
> https://soundcloud.com/femalepressure/sets/rojava-female-pressure
>
> Bandcamp / Donations - approx 600 €  (April 2016)
> https://femalepressure.bandcamp.com/album/music-awareness-solidarity-w-rojava-revolution
>
> List of press results
> https://femalepressure.wordpress.com/press-review/
>
> CTM Festival Berlin Panel 150 participants, streaming 200€ donation to
> Rojava women
> http://www.femalepressure.net/rojava.html
>
> Best album FACT MAG 2016
> http://www.factmag.com/2016/03/25/best-albums-first-quarter-report-2016/
>
> Remarkable review in one of the biggest music magazines
> http://www.factmag.com/2016/03/10/best-bandcamp-releases/2/
>
> Extensive social media out reach through facebook, twitter, tumblr and
> other.
>
> The concrete impact has been in raising awareness in the Western world
> - where talk, work has activated intercultural interest,
> communication, support and solidarity, responsibility and
> understanding. For example:
> - 1s of women artists were reached worldwide via social media and
> email lists
> - 40 music compositions and artworks were created and contributed
> which have been listened to min. 30 000 times
> on https://soundcloud.com/femalepressure/sets/rojava-female-pressure
> - CTM Festival Berlin hosted a panel with female:pressure on Rojava,
> where we invited Kurdish women activists and artists, with over 150
> attendees and online streaming of the event, entrance donations (of
> over 200 Euro) were donated directly to Rojava's women support groups.
> - 10+ radio shows were produced on the subject matter, with music and
> interviews
> - 20+ articles were published (e.g. The Quietus, FACT) still ongoing
> - Bandcamp compilation was installed which guarantees an ongoing
> direct donation system to support women in Rojava and the war zone for
> a safe village, revenue so far over 600 Euro / ongoing
> The project has shown that solidarity can be achived through art and
> music and that a real connection can be established for intercultural
> exchange and understanding and common solution projects.
>
> The campaign primarily aims at raising awareness around the resistance
> movement currently taking place in the cantons of #Rojava (located in
> northern Syria), where women participate on all levels of decision
> making and building a new society from scratch, with built-in social,
> racial and ethnic justice, religious freedom, ecological principles
> and gender equality. Despite vast cultural and historical differences
> between Europe and Kurdistan, the campaign uses art & music to bridge
> these and build long-lasting real-life connections based on dialogue
> and respect, involving as many Kurdish musicians and activists as
> possible (still ongoing).
>
> female:pressure raise awareness for the women of Rojava, their
> struggle, ideas and implementations on the ground including famously
> defeating areas captured by the Islamic State. Mass media have been
> silent and struggle to report on the Kurdish region and the complex
> issues, due to the danger it holds through IS, war, airstrikes by
> Russia, USA and allies and the Turkish war on Kurds. As the PKK is
> officially named as a terrorist organisation (e.g. by USA & the EU),
> many global and European news platforms do not report at all or if so,
> with a large bias in favour of Turkey's current government. The
> campaign aims to activate a dialog, solidarity with women in war,
> investigate further into these complex issues and not to stay stagnant
> with inaction to the detriment of huge number of human rights
> violations in the area. The challenges addressed are huge: extremely
> complex global politics and economics, post-colonial challenges of
> war, systematic prejudice & inequality, corruption, terrorism,
> fundamentalism, the role of the women in society. Quote from "Women &
> The Gun": "Rojava is a chance for the whole world...[for] energy to
> continue our fight for a better life." Awareness is necessary to
> activate critical reflection and action, the female:pressure network
> can help activate this.
>
> The target group is the largly uninformed global public. All women and
> feminists are the target group to acknowledge the inspirational,
> revolutionary work undertaken by the women of Rojava and re-think
> their stance on feminism, equality and justice. By putting art and
> music in the centre-point of this campaign, we believe we can have a
> wide 

[NetBehaviour] Rojava campaign powered by female:pressure

[AGF poemproducer]

dear list, rmember the call for Rojava … here the results….

fyi
agee


IN 2015 the International network female:pressure (1700 members, 65 countries) 
launched an online music, awareness & solidarity campaign with the women 
fighters & the Rojava revolution via multiple media outlets.

Please visit these pages to see the wide spread impact:

female:pressure project page
http://www.femalepressure.net/rojava.html 


Soundcloud - 30 000 listens (April 2016)
https://soundcloud.com/femalepressure/sets/rojava-female-pressure 


Bandcamp / Donations - approx 600 €  (April 2016)
https://femalepressure.bandcamp.com/album/music-awareness-solidarity-w-rojava-revolution
 


List of press results
https://femalepressure.wordpress.com/press-review/ 


CTM Festival Berlin Panel 150 participants, streaming 200€ donation to Rojava 
women
http://www.femalepressure.net/rojava.html 


Best album FACT MAG 2016
http://www.factmag.com/2016/03/25/best-albums-first-quarter-report-2016/ 


Remarkable review in one of the biggest music magazines
http://www.factmag.com/2016/03/10/best-bandcamp-releases/2/ 


Extensive social media out reach through facebook, twitter, tumblr and other.

The concrete impact has been in raising awareness in the Western world - where 
talk, work has activated intercultural interest, communication, support and 
solidarity, responsibility and understanding. For example:
- 1s of women artists were reached worldwide via social media and email 
lists
- 40 music compositions and artworks were created and contributed which have 
been listened to min. 30 000 times on 
https://soundcloud.com/femalepressure/sets/rojava-female-pressure 

- CTM Festival Berlin hosted a panel with female:pressure on Rojava, where we 
invited Kurdish women activists and artists, with over 150 attendees and online 
streaming of the event, entrance donations (of over 200 Euro) were donated 
directly to Rojava's women support groups.
- 10+ radio shows were produced on the subject matter, with music and interviews
- 20+ articles were published (e.g. The Quietus, FACT) still ongoing
- Bandcamp compilation was installed which guarantees an ongoing direct 
donation system to support women in Rojava and the war zone for a safe village, 
revenue so far over 600 Euro / ongoing
The project has shown that solidarity can be achived through art and music and 
that a real connection can be established for intercultural exchange and 
understanding and common solution projects.

The campaign primarily aims at raising awareness around the resistance movement 
currently taking place in the cantons of #Rojava (located in northern Syria), 
where women participate on all levels of decision making and building a new 
society from scratch, with built-in social, racial and ethnic justice, 
religious freedom, ecological principles and gender equality. Despite vast 
cultural and historical differences between Europe and Kurdistan, the campaign 
uses art & music to bridge these and build long-lasting real-life connections 
based on dialogue and respect, involving as many Kurdish musicians and 
activists as possible (still ongoing).

female:pressure raise awareness for the women of Rojava, their struggle, ideas 
and implementations on the ground including famously defeating areas captured 
by the Islamic State. Mass media have been silent and struggle to report on the 
Kurdish region and the complex issues, due to the danger it holds through IS, 
war, airstrikes by Russia, USA and allies and the Turkish war on Kurds. As the 
PKK is officially named as a terrorist organisation (e.g. by USA & the EU), 
many global and European news platforms do not report at all or if so, with a 
large bias in favour of Turkey's current government. The campaign aims to 
activate a dialog, solidarity with women in war, investigate further into these 
complex issues and not to stay stagnant with inaction to the detriment of huge 
number of human rights violations in the area. The challenges addressed are 
huge: extremely complex global politics and economics, post-colonial challenges 
of war, systematic prejudice & inequality, corruption, terrorism, 
fundamentalism, the role of the women in society. Quote from "Women & The Gun": 
"Rojava is a chance for the whole world...[for] energy to continue our fight 
for a better life." Awareness is necessary to activate critical reflection and 
action, the female:pressure network can help activate this.

The target group is the largly uninformed 

Re: [NetBehaviour] #rojava

[AG Forever]

yes, I followed the last weeks conference
all on stream
amazing stuff
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1dS8SfRTbFU

*
AGF: @poemproducer / .com
in order: antyegreie.com


> On 1 Feb 2016, at 13:43, helen varley jamieson <he...@creative-catalyst.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> very interesting! 
> 
>> On 26/01/16 4:08 14PM, Annie Abrahams wrote:
>> http://onlineopen.org/inside-hell-we-build-paradise?utm_source=Newsletter+Open!_campaign=729b62c695-Open_31_2016_medium=email_term=0_2487a747f3-729b62c695-95978185
>> 
>> 'The New World Summit is an artistic and political organization founded by 
>> visual artist Jonas Staal, dedicated to providing ‘alternative parliaments’ 
>> hosting organizations that currently find themselves excluded from 
>> democracy. The fifth summit (part 1) took place in Rojava, Syria, in October 
>> 2015. Brigitte van der Sande was part of a delegation that was invited to 
>> participate.'
>> 
>>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 4:51 PM, Ana Valdés <agora...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Totally share it! The mag Cointerpunch ran an article with a discussion in 
>>> other list about if torture works or not I don't have the link longer but 
>>> do a Google search with Ana Valdés Counterpunch and you find the article. 
>>> They used my answer and my own life story as reference 
>>> Cheers
>>> Ana
>>> 
>>> Thanks Ana, o valueble to hear your thoughts
>>> 
>>> but occupation is the same case here, or statelessness, the kurds have no 
>>> state, no rights
>>> 
>>> I was always a hard core pacifist, my father was an East German army 
>>> officer and i was terrified of overflying war planes and I am absolute 
>>> against war & violence, post Hitler-Soviet schooled, and I am still very 
>>> much a hard core pacifist now, pro diplomatic, justice, women involvement 
>>> in solutions, education etc
>>> 
>>> but if we make exceptions like the palestinian one, and I agree their case 
>>> is very difficult
>>> the same counts for Kurds which are victim to terrible oppression ?
>>> 
>>> if a women chooses to fight for an independet cause, not for an 
>>> imperialistic state (like israel maybe)
>>> but to defend her very right to exist ?
>>> 
>>> i want to add 2 links, one is even american reporting, but good in this case
>>> 
>>> good link by women on women
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcT8Q_6wtLo 
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcT8Q_6wtLo>
>>> 
>>> summary
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPwZGHivQSQ 
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPwZGHivQSQ>
>>> 
>>> thanks so much for sharing your thoughts, i would like to ask permission to 
>>> share this with another mailing list called female pressure, we are 
>>> musicians and media people, and discussing a solidarity campaign righ now
>>> 
>>> is it ok ?
>>> thanks
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> > On 14 Dec 2015, at 16:30, Ana Valdés <agora...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Dear thanks for your answer. When I was much younger I believed in “just 
>>> > wars” and was jailed four years for belonging to the Tupamaros guerilla, 
>>> > you must know about it since Baader-Meinhof  had Tupamaros as inspiration 
>>> > 
>>> > It  was an armed gerilla and to my disclaim I can say today I was only 19 
>>> > years old, new examinated from a very stern German nun’s school I had a 
>>> > highly romantized image of Che Guevara as icon and etc etc
>>> > Today I am a stern pacifist and the only resistance I understand its the 
>>> > Palestinian because they are occupied for a foreign power and they have 
>>> > right to fight for their land.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Cheers
>>> > Ana
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > De: AG Forever
>>> > Enviado: lunes, 14 de diciembre de 2015 5:42
>>> > Para: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity
>>> > Asunto: Re: [NetBehaviour] #rojava
>>> >
>>> > Hi Ana, I always thought like that, I remember how my country / East 
>>> > Germany didn't last cause the reason to control people with violence in 
>>> > one place is not lasting
>>> >
>>> > This is an interesting article although half a year old, and the comments 
>>> > confuse me very much re FGM.
>>> > https://www.opendemocracy.net/arab

Re: [NetBehaviour] #rojava

[helen varley jamieson]

very interesting!

On 26/01/16 4:08 14PM, Annie Abrahams wrote:
> http://onlineopen.org/inside-hell-we-build-paradise?utm_source=Newsletter+Open!_campaign=729b62c695-Open_31_2016_medium=email_term=0_2487a747f3-729b62c695-95978185
> <http://onlineopen.org/inside-hell-we-build-paradise?utm_source=Newsletter+Open%21_campaign=729b62c695-Open_31_2016_medium=email_term=0_2487a747f3-729b62c695-95978185>
>
> 'The New World Summit is an artistic and political organization
> founded by visual artist Jonas Staal, dedicated to providing
> ‘alternative parliaments’ hosting organizations that currently find
> themselves excluded from democracy. The fifth summit (part 1) took
> place in Rojava, Syria, in October 2015. Brigitte van der Sande was
> part of a delegation that was invited to participate.'
>
> On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 4:51 PM, Ana Valdés <agora...@gmail.com
> <mailto:agora...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Totally share it! The mag Cointerpunch ran an article with a
> discussion in other list about if torture works or not I don't
> have the link longer but do a Google search with Ana Valdés
> Counterpunch and you find the article.
> They used my answer and my own life story as reference
> Cheers
> Ana
>
> Thanks Ana, o valueble to hear your thoughts
>
> but occupation is the same case here, or statelessness, the kurds
> have no state, no rights
>
> I was always a hard core pacifist, my father was an East German
> army officer and i was terrified of overflying war planes and I am
> absolute against war & violence, post Hitler-Soviet schooled, and
> I am still very much a hard core pacifist now, pro diplomatic,
> justice, women involvement in solutions, education etc
>
> but if we make exceptions like the palestinian one, and I agree
> their case is very difficult
> the same counts for Kurds which are victim to terrible oppression ?
>
> if a women chooses to fight for an independet cause, not for an
> imperialistic state (like israel maybe)
> but to defend her very right to exist ?
>
> i want to add 2 links, one is even american reporting, but good in
> this case
>
> good link by women on women
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcT8Q_6wtLo
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcT8Q_6wtLo>
>
> summary
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPwZGHivQSQ
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPwZGHivQSQ>
>
> thanks so much for sharing your thoughts, i would like to ask
> permission to share this with another mailing list called female
> pressure, we are musicians and media people, and discussing a
> solidarity campaign righ now
>
> is it ok ?
> thanks
>
>
>
> > On 14 Dec 2015, at 16:30, Ana Valdés <agora...@gmail.com
> <mailto:agora...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > Dear thanks for your answer. When I was much younger I believed
> in “just wars” and was jailed four years for belonging to the
> Tupamaros guerilla, you must know about it since Baader-Meinhof 
> had Tupamaros as inspiration 
> > It  was an armed gerilla and to my disclaim I can say today I
> was only 19 years old, new examinated from a very stern German
> nun’s school I had a highly romantized image of Che Guevara as
> icon and etc etc
> > Today I am a stern pacifist and the only resistance I understand
> its the Palestinian because they are occupied for a foreign power
> and they have right to fight for their land.
> >
> >
> > Cheers
> > Ana
> >
> >
> > De: AG Forever
> > Enviado: lunes, 14 de diciembre de 2015 5:42
> > Para: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity
> > Asunto: Re: [NetBehaviour] #rojava
> >
> > Hi Ana, I always thought like that, I remember how my country /
> East Germany didn't last cause the reason to control people with
> violence in one place is not lasting
> >
> > This is an interesting article although half a year old, and the
> comments confuse me very much re FGM.
> >
> 
> https://www.opendemocracy.net/arab-awakening/evangelos-aretaios/rojava-revolution
> >
> > I would in any moment agree with you but if you can't even hold
> a territory and your choice is sex slave or combat fighter, I know
> what I would choose...  ?
> >
> > But then there is their revolution. There intentions, their goals..
> >
> >
> > "In the wider Middle East since the nineteenth century and
> before that, the female

Re: [NetBehaviour] #rojava

[Annie Abrahams]

http://onlineopen.org/inside-hell-we-build-paradise?utm_source=Newsletter+Open!_campaign=729b62c695-Open_31_2016_medium=email_term=0_2487a747f3-729b62c695-95978185

'The New World Summit is an artistic and political organization founded by
visual artist Jonas Staal, dedicated to providing ‘alternative parliaments’
hosting organizations that currently find themselves excluded from
democracy. The fifth summit (part 1) took place in Rojava, Syria, in
October 2015. Brigitte van der Sande was part of a delegation that was
invited to participate.'

On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 4:51 PM, Ana Valdés <agora...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Totally share it! The mag Cointerpunch ran an article with a discussion in
> other list about if torture works or not I don't have the link longer but
> do a Google search with Ana Valdés Counterpunch and you find the article.
> They used my answer and my own life story as reference
> Cheers
> Ana
> Thanks Ana, o valueble to hear your thoughts
>
> but occupation is the same case here, or statelessness, the kurds have no
> state, no rights
>
> I was always a hard core pacifist, my father was an East German army
> officer and i was terrified of overflying war planes and I am absolute
> against war & violence, post Hitler-Soviet schooled, and I am still very
> much a hard core pacifist now, pro diplomatic, justice, women involvement
> in solutions, education etc
>
> but if we make exceptions like the palestinian one, and I agree their case
> is very difficult
> the same counts for Kurds which are victim to terrible oppression ?
>
> if a women chooses to fight for an independet cause, not for an
> imperialistic state (like israel maybe)
> but to defend her very right to exist ?
>
> i want to add 2 links, one is even american reporting, but good in this
> case
>
> good link by women on women
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcT8Q_6wtLo <
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcT8Q_6wtLo>
>
> summary
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPwZGHivQSQ <
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPwZGHivQSQ>
>
> thanks so much for sharing your thoughts, i would like to ask permission
> to share this with another mailing list called female pressure, we are
> musicians and media people, and discussing a solidarity campaign righ now
>
> is it ok ?
> thanks
>
>
>
> > On 14 Dec 2015, at 16:30, Ana Valdés <agora...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Dear thanks for your answer. When I was much younger I believed in “just
> wars” and was jailed four years for belonging to the Tupamaros guerilla,
> you must know about it since Baader-Meinhof  had Tupamaros as inspiration
> 
> > It  was an armed gerilla and to my disclaim I can say today I was only
> 19 years old, new examinated from a very stern German nun’s school I had a
> highly romantized image of Che Guevara as icon and etc etc
> > Today I am a stern pacifist and the only resistance I understand its the
> Palestinian because they are occupied for a foreign power and they have
> right to fight for their land.
> >
> >
> > Cheers
> > Ana
> >
> >
> > De: AG Forever
> > Enviado: lunes, 14 de diciembre de 2015 5:42
> > Para: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity
> > Asunto: Re: [NetBehaviour] #rojava
> >
> > Hi Ana, I always thought like that, I remember how my country / East
> Germany didn't last cause the reason to control people with violence in one
> place is not lasting
> >
> > This is an interesting article although half a year old, and the
> comments confuse me very much re FGM.
> >
> https://www.opendemocracy.net/arab-awakening/evangelos-aretaios/rojava-revolution
> >
> > I would in any moment agree with you but if you can't even hold a
> territory and your choice is sex slave or combat fighter, I know what I
> would choose...  ?
> >
> > But then there is their revolution. There intentions, their goals..
> >
> >
> > "In the wider Middle East since the nineteenth century and before that,
> the female body is one of the most important symbolic battlegrounds between
> modernizers and reactionaries. Today, here in Syria, this fight is to death.
> > “The gangs of Daesh want the woman to be a slave. They don’t consider us
> as human beings but only as objects to serve men and to satisfy his
> specific needs. They ostentatiously sell women as slaves as if they were
> animals”. The girl I speak with is Nupelda, 20 years old and serves in a
> mobile company of the Women’s Protection Units (YPJ) on the front line.
> This is the army of women in the autonomous administration of Rojava,
> fighting side by side with men in the YPG. Both forces are under the
> control and co

Re: [NetBehaviour] #rojava

[AGF poemproducer]

Thanks Ana, o valueble to hear your thoughts

but occupation is the same case here, or statelessness, the kurds have no 
state, no rights

I was always a hard core pacifist, my father was an East German army officer 
and i was terrified of overflying war planes and I am absolute against war & 
violence, post Hitler-Soviet schooled, and I am still very much a hard core 
pacifist now, pro diplomatic, justice, women involvement in solutions, 
education etc

but if we make exceptions like the palestinian one, and I agree their case is 
very difficult
the same counts for Kurds which are victim to terrible oppression ?

if a women chooses to fight for an independet cause, not for an imperialistic 
state (like israel maybe)
but to defend her very right to exist ?

i want to add 2 links, one is even american reporting, but good in this case

good link by women on women
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcT8Q_6wtLo 
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcT8Q_6wtLo>

summary
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPwZGHivQSQ 
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPwZGHivQSQ>

thanks so much for sharing your thoughts, i would like to ask permission to 
share this with another mailing list called female pressure, we are musicians 
and media people, and discussing a solidarity campaign righ now

is it ok ?
thanks



> On 14 Dec 2015, at 16:30, Ana Valdés <agora...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Dear thanks for your answer. When I was much younger I believed in “just 
> wars” and was jailed four years for belonging to the Tupamaros guerilla, you 
> must know about it since Baader-Meinhof  had Tupamaros as inspiration 
> It  was an armed gerilla and to my disclaim I can say today I was only 19 
> years old, new examinated from a very stern German nun’s school I had a 
> highly romantized image of Che Guevara as icon and etc etc
> Today I am a stern pacifist and the only resistance I understand its the 
> Palestinian because they are occupied for a foreign power and they have right 
> to fight for their land.
>  
>  
> Cheers
> Ana
>  
> 
> De: AG Forever
> Enviado: lunes, 14 de diciembre de 2015 5:42
> Para: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity
> Asunto: Re: [NetBehaviour] #rojava
>  
> Hi Ana, I always thought like that, I remember how my country / East Germany 
> didn't last cause the reason to control people with violence in one place is 
> not lasting
>  
> This is an interesting article although half a year old, and the comments 
> confuse me very much re FGM.
> https://www.opendemocracy.net/arab-awakening/evangelos-aretaios/rojava-revolution
>  
> I would in any moment agree with you but if you can't even hold a territory 
> and your choice is sex slave or combat fighter, I know what I would choose... 
>  ? 
>  
> But then there is their revolution. There intentions, their goals..
> 
> 
> "In the wider Middle East since the nineteenth century and before that, the 
> female body is one of the most important symbolic battlegrounds between 
> modernizers and reactionaries. Today, here in Syria, this fight is to death.
> “The gangs of Daesh want the woman to be a slave. They don’t consider us as 
> human beings but only as objects to serve men and to satisfy his specific 
> needs. They ostentatiously sell women as slaves as if they were animals”. The 
> girl I speak with is Nupelda, 20 years old and serves in a mobile company of 
> the Women’s Protection Units (YPJ) on the front line. This is the army of 
> women in the autonomous administration of Rojava, fighting side by side with 
> men in the YPG. Both forces are under the control and command of PYD. Nupelda 
> has been fighting for two years now."
> 
> I am thinking how to call for solidarity for Rojava revolution and eventually 
> lift of PKK ban in EU...
> 
> just thoughts...
> 
> *
> AGF: @poemproducer / .com
> in order: antyegreie.com
>  
> 
> On 9 Dec 2015, at 01:59, Ana Valdés <agora...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I was as many of you know at the conference of Women in Black in India. Women 
> from Afghanistan Congo Bosnia and Armenia shared with us dark stories of rape 
> forced marriages and impunity we need to strengthen the civil societies the 
> question is how to achieve it? If the changes are made with weapons and 
> soldiers (female or male), we are always prisoners of the weapons and wars as 
> metaphors...
> Ana
> 
> Den 6 dec 2015 08:11 skrev "AGF poemproducer" <a...@poemproducer.com>:
> hi,
>  
> I spent last days reading and studying the kurdish female fighters and their 
> efforts to built an independent equal and just state in north east syria… i 
> am a pacifist in my deepest structure but have been challanged and confused 
> by what is happening there… if you

Re: [NetBehaviour] #rojava

[Ana Valdés]

Totally share it! The mag Cointerpunch ran an article with a discussion in
other list about if torture works or not I don't have the link longer but
do a Google search with Ana Valdés Counterpunch and you find the article.
They used my answer and my own life story as reference
Cheers
Ana
Thanks Ana, o valueble to hear your thoughts

but occupation is the same case here, or statelessness, the kurds have no
state, no rights

I was always a hard core pacifist, my father was an East German army
officer and i was terrified of overflying war planes and I am absolute
against war & violence, post Hitler-Soviet schooled, and I am still very
much a hard core pacifist now, pro diplomatic, justice, women involvement
in solutions, education etc

but if we make exceptions like the palestinian one, and I agree their case
is very difficult
the same counts for Kurds which are victim to terrible oppression ?

if a women chooses to fight for an independet cause, not for an
imperialistic state (like israel maybe)
but to defend her very right to exist ?

i want to add 2 links, one is even american reporting, but good in this case

good link by women on women
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcT8Q_6wtLo <
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcT8Q_6wtLo>

summary
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPwZGHivQSQ <
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPwZGHivQSQ>

thanks so much for sharing your thoughts, i would like to ask permission to
share this with another mailing list called female pressure, we are
musicians and media people, and discussing a solidarity campaign righ now

is it ok ?
thanks



> On 14 Dec 2015, at 16:30, Ana Valdés <agora...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Dear thanks for your answer. When I was much younger I believed in “just
wars” and was jailed four years for belonging to the Tupamaros guerilla,
you must know about it since Baader-Meinhof  had Tupamaros as inspiration 
> It  was an armed gerilla and to my disclaim I can say today I was only 19
years old, new examinated from a very stern German nun’s school I had a
highly romantized image of Che Guevara as icon and etc etc
> Today I am a stern pacifist and the only resistance I understand its the
Palestinian because they are occupied for a foreign power and they have
right to fight for their land.
>
>
> Cheers
> Ana
>
>
> De: AG Forever
> Enviado: lunes, 14 de diciembre de 2015 5:42
> Para: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity
> Asunto: Re: [NetBehaviour] #rojava
>
> Hi Ana, I always thought like that, I remember how my country / East
Germany didn't last cause the reason to control people with violence in one
place is not lasting
>
> This is an interesting article although half a year old, and the comments
confuse me very much re FGM.
>
https://www.opendemocracy.net/arab-awakening/evangelos-aretaios/rojava-revolution
>
> I would in any moment agree with you but if you can't even hold a
territory and your choice is sex slave or combat fighter, I know what I
would choose...  ?
>
> But then there is their revolution. There intentions, their goals..
>
>
> "In the wider Middle East since the nineteenth century and before that,
the female body is one of the most important symbolic battlegrounds between
modernizers and reactionaries. Today, here in Syria, this fight is to death.
> “The gangs of Daesh want the woman to be a slave. They don’t consider us
as human beings but only as objects to serve men and to satisfy his
specific needs. They ostentatiously sell women as slaves as if they were
animals”. The girl I speak with is Nupelda, 20 years old and serves in a
mobile company of the Women’s Protection Units (YPJ) on the front line.
This is the army of women in the autonomous administration of Rojava,
fighting side by side with men in the YPG. Both forces are under the
control and command of PYD. Nupelda has been fighting for two years now."
>
> I am thinking how to call for solidarity for Rojava revolution and
eventually lift of PKK ban in EU...
>
> just thoughts...
>
> *
> AGF: @poemproducer / .com
> in order: antyegreie.com
>
>
> On 9 Dec 2015, at 01:59, Ana Valdés <agora...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I was as many of you know at the conference of Women in Black in India.
Women from Afghanistan Congo Bosnia and Armenia shared with us dark stories
of rape forced marriages and impunity we need to strengthen the civil
societies the question is how to achieve it? If the changes are made with
weapons and soldiers (female or male), we are always prisoners of the
weapons and wars as metaphors...
> Ana
>
> Den 6 dec 2015 08:11 skrev "AGF poemproducer" <a...@poemproducer.com>:
> hi,
>
> I spent last days reading and studying the kurdish female fighters and
their efforts to built an independent equal and just state in north east
syria… i am a pacifist in my deepest structure but

Re: [NetBehaviour] #rojava

[Ana Valdés]

Dear thanks for your answer. When I was much younger I believed in “just wars” 
and was jailed four years for belonging to the Tupamaros guerilla, you must 
know about it since Baader-Meinhof  had Tupamaros as inspiration 
It  was an armed gerilla and to my disclaim I can say today I was only 19 years 
old, new examinated from a very stern German nun’s school I had a highly 
romantized image of Che Guevara as icon and etc etc
Today I am a stern pacifist and the only resistance I understand its the 
Palestinian because they are occupied for a foreign power and they have right 
to fight for their land.


Cheers
Ana


De: AG Forever
Enviado: lunes, 14 de diciembre de 2015 5:42
Para: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity
Asunto: Re: [NetBehaviour] #rojava

Hi Ana, I always thought like that, I remember how my country / East Germany 
didn't last cause the reason to control people with violence in one place is 
not lasting

This is an interesting article although half a year old, and the comments 
confuse me very much re FGM.
https://www.opendemocracy.net/arab-awakening/evangelos-aretaios/rojava-revolution

I would in any moment agree with you but if you can't even hold a territory and 
your choice is sex slave or combat fighter, I know what I would choose...  ? 

But then there is their revolution. There intentions, their goals..


"In the wider Middle East since the nineteenth century and before that, the 
female body is one of the most important symbolic battlegrounds between 
modernizers and reactionaries. Today, here in Syria, this fight is to death.
“The gangs of Daesh want the woman to be a slave. They don’t consider us as 
human beings but only as objects to serve men and to satisfy his specific 
needs. They ostentatiously sell women as slaves as if they were animals”. The 
girl I speak with is Nupelda, 20 years old and serves in a mobile company of 
the Women’s Protection Units (YPJ) on the front line. This is the army of women 
in the autonomous administration of Rojava, fighting side by side with men in 
the YPG. Both forces are under the control and command of PYD. Nupelda has been 
fighting for two years now."
I am thinking how to call for solidarity for Rojava revolution and eventually 
lift of PKK ban in EU...
just thoughts...

*
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in order: antyegreie.com


On 9 Dec 2015, at 01:59, Ana Valdés <agora...@gmail.com> wrote:
I was as many of you know at the conference of Women in Black in India. Women 
from Afghanistan Congo Bosnia and Armenia shared with us dark stories of rape 
forced marriages and impunity we need to strengthen the civil societies the 
question is how to achieve it? If the changes are made with weapons and 
soldiers (female or male), we are always prisoners of the weapons and wars as 
metaphors...
Ana
Den 6 dec 2015 08:11 skrev "AGF poemproducer" <a...@poemproducer.com>:
hi,

I spent last days reading and studying the kurdish female fighters and their 
efforts to built an independent equal and just state in north east syria… i am 
a pacifist in my deepest structure but have been challanged and confused by 
what is happening there… if you need to read up look for hashtags #Rojava

any thoughts ?

(i find this article a good sum up)

http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2015/11/25/rojava_is_a_radical_experiment_in_democracy_in_northern_syria_american_leftists.html

"I recently spoke to someone from the Kurdish women’s movement in Rojava and 
asked what they need most. She said they need a massive international 
solidarity campaign, beginning with political education about the evolution of 
the PKK and its politics, including its emphasis on democratic governance, 
anti-sectarianism, secularism, ecology, and women’s liberation. In practical 
terms, they need all possible international pressure to be put on Turkey and 
the KRG to end the embargo and let supplies through. They need the terrorist 
designation to be lifted so they can travel and raise money and do public 
speaking."

some more…

http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/12/02/remembering-murray-bookchin/<http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/12/02/remembering-murray-bookchin/>

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Protection_Units<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People's_Protection_Units

maybe this is also a good thing/ althought americans all over this, but maybe 
for the right reasons for a change
https://secure.avaaz.org/en/petition/Presidents_Obama_and_Hollande_Prime_Ministers_Cameron_and_Turnbull_Help_the_Kurds_cut_off_ISILs_route_to_Europe/?wTXkYjb

http://thelionsofrojava.com/index.php/join/

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[AG Forever]

Hi Ana, I always thought like that, I remember how my country / East Germany 
didn't last cause the reason to control people with violence in one place is 
not lasting

This is an interesting article although half a year old, and the comments 
confuse me very much re FGM.
https://www.opendemocracy.net/arab-awakening/evangelos-aretaios/rojava-revolution

I would in any moment agree with you but if you can't even hold a territory and 
your choice is sex slave or combat fighter, I know what I would choose...  ? 

But then there is their revolution. There intentions, their goals..

"In the wider Middle East since the nineteenth century and before that, the 
female body is one of the most important symbolic battlegrounds between 
modernizers and reactionaries. Today, here in Syria, this fight is to death.
“The gangs of Daesh want the woman to be a slave. They don’t consider us as 
human beings but only as objects to serve men and to satisfy his specific 
needs. They ostentatiously sell women as slaves as if they were animals”. The 
girl I speak with is Nupelda, 20 years old and serves in a mobile company of 
the Women’s Protection Units (YPJ) on the front line. This is the army of women 
in the autonomous administration of Rojava, fighting side by side with men in 
the YPG. Both forces are under the control and command of PYD. Nupelda has been 
fighting for two years now."

I am thinking how to call for solidarity for Rojava revolution and eventually 
lift of PKK ban in EU...

just thoughts...

*
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in order: antyegreie.com


> On 9 Dec 2015, at 01:59, Ana Valdés  wrote:
> 
> I was as many of you know at the conference of Women in Black in India. Women 
> from Afghanistan Congo Bosnia and Armenia shared with us dark stories of rape 
> forced marriages and impunity we need to strengthen the civil societies the 
> question is how to achieve it? If the changes are made with weapons and 
> soldiers (female or male), we are always prisoners of the weapons and wars as 
> metaphors...
> Ana
> 
> Den 6 dec 2015 08:11 skrev "AGF poemproducer" :
>> hi,
>> 
>> I spent last days reading and studying the kurdish female fighters and their 
>> efforts to built an independent equal and just state in north east syria… i 
>> am a pacifist in my deepest structure but have been challanged and confused 
>> by what is happening there… if you need to read up look for hashtags #Rojava
>> 
>> any thoughts ?
>> 
>> (i find this article a good sum up)
>> 
>> http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2015/11/25/rojava_is_a_radical_experiment_in_democracy_in_northern_syria_american_leftists.html
>> 
>> "I recently spoke to someone from the Kurdish women’s movement in Rojava and 
>> asked what they need most. She said they need a massive international 
>> solidarity campaign, beginning with political education about the evolution 
>> of the PKK and its politics, including its emphasis on democratic 
>> governance, anti-sectarianism, secularism, ecology, and women’s liberation. 
>> In practical terms, they need all possible international pressure to be put 
>> on Turkey and the KRG to end the embargo and let supplies through. They need 
>> the terrorist designation to be lifted so they can travel and raise money 
>> and do public speaking."
>> 
>> some more…
>> 
>> http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/12/02/remembering-murray-bookchin/
>> 
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Protection_Units> 
>> maybe this is also a good thing/ althought americans all over this, but 
>> maybe for the right reasons for a change
>> https://secure.avaaz.org/en/petition/Presidents_Obama_and_Hollande_Prime_Ministers_Cameron_and_Turnbull_Help_the_Kurds_cut_off_ISILs_route_to_Europe/?wTXkYjb
>> 
>> http://thelionsofrojava.com/index.php/join/
>> 
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[Alan Sondheim]

didn't realize these things were still flying. they're almost the ideal 
man-cock, something for Trump to suck on. sweat on the pilot's seat, good 
grief. your residency sounds amazing -


On Wed, 9 Dec 2015, John Hopkins wrote:


And then the media does shit like this:

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-33766644

faugh. perhaps a bit of British fascination (and p'rrups a bit of 
professional jealousy) with war-making.


whatever. Blackhawks, anyone?

Tuesdays it's F/A-16 RT's going subsonic, sometimes hypersonic, in pairs, 
prowling.


ah, nevermind, just happen to live here right now.

I'll go meditate on one of the numerous larger-than-life-size bronze 
cowboy-and-horse-in-dramatic-pose sculptures scattered around town...


http://tinyurl.com/jca3pu2

good night.

jh




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[Alan Sondheim]

Great organization, met Coolidge I think in Utah, not quite remembering. 
People don't realize that the thin several-millimeter crust of the 
'desert' is an integral part of the biome; footprints destroy everything. 
You have to be tuned to these things - everything reverberates, resonates 
across and through organisms, minerals, etc. -


- Alan

On Wed, 9 Dec 2015, John Hopkins wrote:


Hei Alan -


Where are you located exactly? I'm interested in the intrusions you talk
about.


I'm based in Prescott, Arizona, a small town at 6000' in the central 
highlands
of the state. Politically it's conservative (very!), there are a lot of 
veterans
here as there is a VA hospital, lots of conservative retirees. Few 
minorities. But, easy access to the Grand Canyon and many other more subtle 
but very classic western landscapes and ecosystems.


One of the reasons I became disillusioned with Baudrillard had to do with 
his

 take on the American wilderness, as if the wild, instead of the grace of
life-forms in somewhat balance, was just lawless -


I don't know, but I suspect that Baudrillard never walked (alone) in these
landscapes or spent much time, had no familiarity with them, their wide 
variations, rich organismic life (despite the massive human interruptions! 
and quite exotic ('empty' upon first look)...


I'd point to the Center for Land Use Interpretation (http://clui.org) for 
some absolutely superb research and creative work surrounding the military 
use of western land (among some other fine research interests). Matt 
Coolidge, one of the principles there has on-the-ground experience around 
this, along with the histories.


I did a residency with them in Wendover, UT/NV a few years back, in their 
compound that sits 50 yards from the Enola Gay hangar at the former Army 
Airbase right on the Bonneville Salt Flat ... (documentation 
http://tinyurl.com/krnj8ru) -- from that location within, say, 300 miles, 
there are huge numbers of 'secret' military-industrial installations 
including the new NSA data center, nerve-agent research/testing facilities, 
and on and on...


It's a strange phenomena, the proliferation of sites starting in WWII and 
continuing extensively into the Cold War, Space Race, nuclear weapon 
development, and on and on.


so it goes...

jh


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[helen varley jamieson]

john, evolution and change are not only possible, they are inevitable.
there was a time before these systems existed (not really so long ago,
in the greater scheme of things) and there will be a time after.
unfortunately it probably won't be in our life time & i'm not placing
any bets on how long it will take, or what it will be replaced with, but
that's no reason not to strive for something better.

your eternal optimist,
h : )

On 9/12/15 2:51 49AM, John Hopkins wrote:
> On 08/Dec/15 16:59, Ana Valdés wrote:
>> Women from Afghanistan Congo Bosnia and Armenia shared with us dark
>> stories
>> of rape forced marriages and impunity we need to strengthen the civil
>> societies the question is how to achieve it? If the changes are made
>> with
>
> Certainly fixing these problems is not compatible with any
> fundamentalist religious system -- good luck changing that -- here in
> the US, the idiots on the 'christian' fundamentalist right have been
> and are actively tearing down what seems to be a thin veneer that
> represents all the gains of civil society of the last 50 years. I
> can't imagine that this is going to be 'easier' in the context of
> radical Islamic situations, or even 'normal' Islamic societies. When
> the religious system has already in place a rigid mapping of civil
> relation and law, I don't believe an 'evolution' or 'change' is
> possible. This would apply to all Abrahamic religions at least, and
> many others as well. I don't see any possibility of evolution when
> 'the Law' is 'the Law'. Is it possible to change such social systems?
> If someone says 'yes', I'd like to hear the plan...
>
> jh
>
>
>

-- 
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he...@creative-catalyst.com 
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[John Hopkins]

Hi Helen --


john, evolution and change are not only possible, they are inevitable.
there was a time before these systems existed (not really so long ago,
in the greater scheme of things) and there will be a time after.
unfortunately it probably won't be in our life time & i'm not placing
any bets on how long it will take, or what it will be replaced with, but
that's no reason not to strive for something better.


Yes, you are right, that evolution/change is inevitable. I am definitely a 
believer in change being the only thing that doesn't change! In the big picture, 
we are an influential-but-transitory species on the planet. Maybe it's more of 
an existential question -- how it is that human behavioral evolution proceeds so 
slowly, & while we are blessed/cursed with this extremely short existence during 
which we have to come to terms with glacial change rates (no pun intended)...


It's hard to remain optimistic given the harsh polarization and primitive 
undercurrents of hate-of-the-Other that surface here in the US these days, 
especially when fiscal precarity dogs each day. Art-making seems so peripheral 
and irrelevant within such a system. My only respite is walking deep into the 
desert, though even there the war machines are evident...


http://tech-no-mad.net/blog/archives/12123
http://tech-no-mad.net/blog/archives/8996
http://tech-no-mad.net/blog/archives/2655
http://tech-no-mad.net/blog/archives/46007

etc

So it goes.

JH
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[Alan Sondheim]

Just wanted to say the walks are beautiful, intense, disturbing; I love 
the desert myself -


On Wed, 9 Dec 2015, John Hopkins wrote:


Hi Helen --


john, evolution and change are not only possible, they are inevitable.
there was a time before these systems existed (not really so long ago,
in the greater scheme of things) and there will be a time after.
unfortunately it probably won't be in our life time & i'm not placing
any bets on how long it will take, or what it will be replaced with, but
that's no reason not to strive for something better.


Yes, you are right, that evolution/change is inevitable. I am definitely a 
believer in change being the only thing that doesn't change! In the big 
picture, we are an influential-but-transitory species on the planet. Maybe 
it's more of an existential question -- how it is that human behavioral 
evolution proceeds so slowly, & while we are blessed/cursed with this 
extremely short existence during which we have to come to terms with glacial 
change rates (no pun intended)...


It's hard to remain optimistic given the harsh polarization and primitive 
undercurrents of hate-of-the-Other that surface here in the US these days, 
especially when fiscal precarity dogs each day. Art-making seems so 
peripheral and irrelevant within such a system. My only respite is walking 
deep into the desert, though even there the war machines are evident...


http://tech-no-mad.net/blog/archives/12123
http://tech-no-mad.net/blog/archives/8996
http://tech-no-mad.net/blog/archives/2655
http://tech-no-mad.net/blog/archives/46007

etc

So it goes.

JH
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[John Hopkins]

And then the media does shit like this:

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-33766644

faugh. perhaps a bit of British fascination (and p'rrups a bit of professional 
jealousy) with war-making.


whatever. Blackhawks, anyone?

Tuesdays it's F/A-16 RT's going subsonic, sometimes hypersonic, in pairs, 
prowling.

ah, nevermind, just happen to live here right now.

I'll go meditate on one of the numerous larger-than-life-size bronze 
cowboy-and-horse-in-dramatic-pose sculptures scattered around town...


http://tinyurl.com/jca3pu2

good night.

jh
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[John Hopkins]

Just wanted to say the walks are beautiful, intense, disturbing; I love the
desert myself -


thanks Alan -- it's the only way I can survive here -- walking off-trail alone 
(though I do take friends about half the time -- to introduce them to the land 
in the West)... though the presence of the military *is* ubiquitous out here - 
in the sky, on the land, argh... Gen. Patton brought 1 million men out into the 
Mojave desert with tanks, planes, jeeps, and so on preparing for the North 
Afrika campaign (Much of the Mojave Desert is now a 'pristine' conservation 
area, but when you know what a tank can do to the desert soil surface, you can 
see the damage everywhere...)


jh

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Re: [NetBehaviour] #rojava

[John Hopkins]

Hei Alan -


Where are you located exactly? I'm interested in the intrusions you talk
about.


I'm based in Prescott, Arizona, a small town at 6000' in the central highlands
of the state. Politically it's conservative (very!), there are a lot of veterans
here as there is a VA hospital, lots of conservative retirees. Few minorities. 
But, easy access to the Grand Canyon and many other more subtle but very classic 
western landscapes and ecosystems.



One of the reasons I became disillusioned with Baudrillard had to do with his
 take on the American wilderness, as if the wild, instead of the grace of
life-forms in somewhat balance, was just lawless -


I don't know, but I suspect that Baudrillard never walked (alone) in these
landscapes or spent much time, had no familiarity with them, their wide 
variations, rich organismic life (despite the massive human interruptions! and 
quite exotic ('empty' upon first look)...


I'd point to the Center for Land Use Interpretation (http://clui.org) for some 
absolutely superb research and creative work surrounding the military use of 
western land (among some other fine research interests). Matt Coolidge, one of 
the principles there has on-the-ground experience around this, along with the 
histories.


I did a residency with them in Wendover, UT/NV a few years back, in their 
compound that sits 50 yards from the Enola Gay hangar at the former Army Airbase 
right on the Bonneville Salt Flat ... (documentation http://tinyurl.com/krnj8ru) 
-- from that location within, say, 300 miles, there are huge numbers of 'secret' 
military-industrial installations including the new NSA data center, nerve-agent 
research/testing facilities, and on and on...


It's a strange phenomena, the proliferation of sites starting in WWII and 
continuing extensively into the Cold War, Space Race, nuclear weapon 
development, and on and on.


so it goes...

jh


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Re: [NetBehaviour] #rojava

[Ana Valdés]

I was as many of you know at the conference of Women in Black in India.
Women from Afghanistan Congo Bosnia and Armenia shared with us dark stories
of rape forced marriages and impunity we need to strengthen the civil
societies the question is how to achieve it? If the changes are made with
weapons and soldiers (female or male), we are always prisoners of the
weapons and wars as metaphors...
Ana
Den 6 dec 2015 08:11 skrev "AGF poemproducer" :

> hi,
>
> I spent last days reading and studying the kurdish female fighters and
> their efforts to built an independent equal and just state in north east
> syria… i am a pacifist in my deepest structure but have been challanged and
> confused by what is happening there… if you need to read up look for
> hashtags #Rojava
>
> any thoughts ?
>
> (i find this article a good sum up)
>
>
> http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2015/11/25/rojava_is_a_radical_experiment_in_democracy_in_northern_syria_american_leftists.html
>
> "I recently spoke to someone from the Kurdish women’s movement in Rojava
> and asked what they need most. She said they need a massive international
> solidarity campaign, beginning with political education about the evolution
> of the PKK and its politics, including its emphasis on democratic
> governance, anti-sectarianism, secularism, ecology, and women’s liberation.
> In practical terms, they need all possible international pressure to be put
> on Turkey and the KRG to end the embargo and let supplies through. They
> need the terrorist designation to be lifted so they can travel and raise
> money and do public speaking."
>
> some more…
>
> http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/12/02/remembering-murray-bookchin/<
> http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/12/02/remembering-murray-bookchin/>
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Protection_Units<
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People's_Protection_Units
>
> maybe this is also a good thing/ althought americans all over this, but
> maybe for the right reasons for a change
>
> https://secure.avaaz.org/en/petition/Presidents_Obama_and_Hollande_Prime_Ministers_Cameron_and_Turnbull_Help_the_Kurds_cut_off_ISILs_route_to_Europe/?wTXkYjb
>
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Re: [NetBehaviour] #rojava

[John Hopkins]

On 08/Dec/15 16:59, Ana Valdés wrote:

Women from Afghanistan Congo Bosnia and Armenia shared with us dark stories
of rape forced marriages and impunity we need to strengthen the civil
societies the question is how to achieve it? If the changes are made with


Certainly fixing these problems is not compatible with any fundamentalist 
religious system -- good luck changing that -- here in the US, the idiots on the 
'christian' fundamentalist right have been and are actively tearing down what 
seems to be a thin veneer that represents all the gains of civil society of the 
last 50 years. I can't imagine that this is going to be 'easier' in the context 
of radical Islamic situations, or even 'normal' Islamic societies. When the 
religious system has already in place a rigid mapping of civil relation and law, 
I don't believe an 'evolution' or 'change' is possible. This would apply to all 
Abrahamic religions at least, and many others as well. I don't see any 
possibility of evolution when 'the Law' is 'the Law'. Is it possible to change 
such social systems? If someone says 'yes', I'd like to hear the plan...


jh



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[helen varley jamieson]

thanks for these links, antje; i have heard about the female kurdish
fighters before but not much so it's very interesting to learn more
about it.

On 6/12/15 11:11 34AM, AGF poemproducer wrote:
> hi,
>
> I spent last days reading and studying the kurdish female fighters and
> their efforts to built an independent equal and just state in north
> east syria… i am a pacifist in my deepest structure but have been
> challanged and confused by what is happening there… if you need to
> read up look for hashtags #Rojava
>
> any thoughts ?
>
> (i find this article a good sum up)
>
> http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2015/11/25/rojava_is_a_radical_experiment_in_democracy_in_northern_syria_american_leftists.html
>
> "I recently spoke to someone from the Kurdish women’s movement in
> Rojava and asked what they need most. She said they need a massive
> international solidarity campaign, beginning with political education
> about the evolution of the PKK and its politics, including its
> emphasis on democratic governance, anti-sectarianism, secularism,
> ecology, and women’s liberation. In practical terms, they need all
> possible international pressure to be put on Turkey and the KRG to end
> the embargo and let supplies through. They need the terrorist
> designation to be lifted so they can travel and raise money and do
> public speaking."
>
> some more…
>
> http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/12/02/remembering-murray-bookchin/
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Protection_Units 
>
> maybe this is also a good thing/ althought americans all over this,
> but maybe for the right reasons for a change
> https://secure.avaaz.org/en/petition/Presidents_Obama_and_Hollande_Prime_Ministers_Cameron_and_Turnbull_Help_the_Kurds_cut_off_ISILs_route_to_Europe/?wTXkYjb
>
>
> http://thelionsofrojava.com/index.php/join/
>
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[NetBehaviour] #rojava

[AGF poemproducer]

hi,

I spent last days reading and studying the kurdish female fighters and their 
efforts to built an independent equal and just state in north east syria… i am 
a pacifist in my deepest structure but have been challanged and confused by 
what is happening there… if you need to read up look for hashtags #Rojava

any thoughts ?

(i find this article a good sum up)

http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2015/11/25/rojava_is_a_radical_experiment_in_democracy_in_northern_syria_american_leftists.html
 


"I recently spoke to someone from the Kurdish women’s movement in Rojava and 
asked what they need most. She said they need a massive international 
solidarity campaign, beginning with political education about the evolution of 
the PKK and its politics, including its emphasis on democratic governance, 
anti-sectarianism, secularism, ecology, and women’s liberation. In practical 
terms, they need all possible international pressure to be put on Turkey and 
the KRG to end the embargo and let supplies through. They need the terrorist 
designation to be lifted so they can travel and raise money and do public 
speaking."

some more…

http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/12/02/remembering-murray-bookchin/ 
>

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Protection_Units 


maybe this is also a good thing/ althought americans all over this, but maybe 
for the right reasons for a change
https://secure.avaaz.org/en/petition/Presidents_Obama_and_Hollande_Prime_Ministers_Cameron_and_Turnbull_Help_the_Kurds_cut_off_ISILs_route_to_Europe/?wTXkYjb
 


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