Well, thanks after a prod aren't a patch on thanks without a prod, but
nevertheless...
Thanks to all involved in the GSoC work this summer, students and mentors
alike. It looks like a huge amount of progress has been made. It's a shame all
this work coincided with (was indirectly the cause of)
Rob Kendrick r...@netsurf-browser.org wrote:
On Sat, 19 Sep 2009 18:42:49 +0100 Tim Hill t...@timil.com wrote:
As I said elsewhere, if the sky turns yellow with pink spots and 500
people commit to support a developer, it won't necessarily be me - the
pledge is just worded that way.
Is
In article gemini.kq9sby004sy9e03zw.vi...@softrock.co.uk, Vince M Hudd
vi...@softrock.co.uk wrote:
Rob Kendrick r...@netsurf-browser.org wrote:
On Sat, 19 Sep 2009 18:42:49 +0100 Tim Hill t...@timil.com wrote:
As I said elsewhere, if the sky turns yellow with pink spots and
500 people
On Sun, 2009-09-20 at 16:10 +0200, Xavier Tardy wrote:
I think it's important to keep alive important projects like the Netsurf
browser for RISC OS.
Then please do something about it.
Of course if this is not even seen as important by the Netsurf team,
then let's forget it.
I have
In article 20090918232452.30c5f...@trite.i.flarn.net.i.flarn.net, Rob
Kendrick r...@netsurf-browser.org wrote:
On Wed, 16 Sep 2009 14:58:23 +0100 Tim Hill t...@timil.com wrote:
Are there 500 user of the RISC OS version of NetSurf willing to
donate £4 a month to support a developer?
Hi all,
Well despite Rob Kenricks's probably highly accurate description of how
development for RISC OS is (hateful!), I am interested, and have expressed
that interest on the developers' mailing list. And I'm not the only one.
I've had quick responses to the (so far few) questions I've asked,
In message 800994.16379...@web111312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com
WP Blatchley willblatch...@yahoo.com wrote:
Hi all,
Well despite Rob Kenricks's probably highly accurate description of
how development for RISC OS is (hateful!), I am interested, and have
expressed that interest on the
In article 509c71f91eba...@e-allen.me.uk,
Barry E Allen ba...@e-allen.me.uk wrote:
Don't be silly. It is not a choice that I have to make. I
rarely use Netsurf, preferring to use Google Chrome on my
PeeCee or Firefox on my ASUS EeePC. Why would anyone use
Netsurf when there are much more
Rob Kendrick a écrit :
On Thu, 17 Sep 2009 23:34:53 +0100
aw29...@gmail.com wrote:
In all of this, our preference has been for option 1. It would,
however, be remiss of us not to point out the inevitable result of
option 1 not happening (i.e. option 2).
One idea is doing what 99%
On 17 Sep, Steve Fryatt wrote:
As such, it seems to have been the usual suspects who have offered to
help: those already doing other things. Certainly if I picked up
NetSurf now, something else would have to give, which in all
probability would just move the complaints from this list to
On Thu, 2009-09-17 at 00:08 +0100, aw29...@gmail.com wrote:
In message 1253105573.5804.236.ca...@duiker
John-Mark Bell j...@netsurf-browser.org wrote:
That doesn't solve the problem -- the RISC OS frontend has no active
maintainer. I've been taking sometime out and modifying the
On Thu, 2009-09-17 at 00:15 +0100, Steve Fryatt wrote:
I think the main problem here is that the majority seem happy to sit back,
wring their hands and state how terrible this all is -- then wait for someone
else to step forward to take on the work (or even demand that someone else
does). As
On Thu, 2009-09-17 at 00:08 +0100, aw29...@gmail.com wrote:
In message 1253105573.5804.236.ca...@duiker
John-Mark Bell j...@netsurf-browser.org wrote:
The RISC OS frontend does not have active maintenance, which
is the problem.
Does a front end require a c programmer or would for
On Thu, 17 Sep 2009 10:44:30 +0100
jess hampshire jesshampsh...@googlemail.com wrote:
On Thu, 2009-09-17 at 00:08 +0100, aw29...@gmail.com wrote:
In message 1253105573.5804.236.ca...@duiker
John-Mark Bell j...@netsurf-browser.org wrote:
The RISC OS frontend does not have
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:33 AM, John-Mark Bell
j...@netsurf-browser.org wrote:
On Thu, 2009-09-17 at 00:08 +0100, aw29...@gmail.com wrote:
In message 1253105573.5804.236.ca...@duiker
John-Mark Bell j...@netsurf-browser.org wrote:
In practice, this means that I'll be focussing on
On Thu, 2009-09-17 at 10:52 +0100, A W wrote:
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:33 AM, John-Mark Bell
j...@netsurf-browser.org wrote:
On Thu, 2009-09-17 at 00:08 +0100, aw29...@gmail.com wrote:
In message 1253105573.5804.236.ca...@duiker
John-Mark Bell j...@netsurf-browser.org wrote:
On Thu, 17 Sep 2009 10:52:14 +0100
A W aw29...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:33 AM, John-Mark Bell
j...@netsurf-browser.org wrote:
On Thu, 2009-09-17 at 00:08 +0100, aw29...@gmail.com wrote:
In message 1253105573.5804.236.ca...@duiker
John-Mark Bell
In message 1253180442.5804.281.ca...@duiker
John-Mark Bell j...@netsurf-browser.org wrote:
On Thu, 2009-09-17 at 00:15 +0100, Steve Fryatt wrote:
I think the main problem here is that the majority seem happy to sit back,
wring their hands and state how terrible this all is --
On Thu, 17 Sep 2009 11:16:19 +0100
Simon Smith simon_sm...@zen.co.uk wrote:
May I ask what proportion of bug reports come from the users of
different platforms, particularly RISC OS as that's the main one I
use? And, sailing a little closer to the wind, what proportion of
useful bug reports?
2009/9/17 John-Mark Bell j...@netsurf-browser.org:
I don't understand this line of questioning.
For NetSurf to be more useful generally, it requires much work to be
carried out on the core engine. Improvements to the core engine benefit
every platform on which NetSurf is available.
On Thu, 17 Sep 2009 11:23:16 +0100
jess hampshire jesshampsh...@googlemail.com wrote:
I guess is depends on the reason you do it. If it is just to produce a
technically good program then obviously there is no question to the
logic.
However if the reason is to get Netsurf used on the maximum
On Thu, 2009-09-17 at 11:16 +0100, Simon Smith wrote:
May I ask what proportion of bug reports come from the users of different
platforms, particularly RISC OS as that's the main one I use?
You can, but I can't answer with absolute accuracy. The vast majority,
unsurprisingly, have come from
On Thu, 17 Sep 2009 11:36:43 +0100
Russell Hafter - Lists rh.li...@phone.coop wrote:
Writing NetSurf is fun. Where it runs doesn't really come
into it. It's a hobby.
Which, at the end of the day, means that anyone who uses it
but does not or cannot contribute has to take it as it is.
In article 20090917110637.7f0f2...@trite.i.flarn.net.i.flarn.net,
Rob Kendrick r...@netsurf-browser.org wrote:
[Snippy]
I suspect strongly that John-Mark considers the core engine a much more
interesting problem than a load of GUI glue for a platform that's
hateful to develop on.
B.
Which
On Thu, 2009-09-17 at 20:20 +0100, Dave Symes wrote:
In article 20090917110637.7f0f2...@trite.i.flarn.net.i.flarn.net,
Rob Kendrick r...@netsurf-browser.org wrote:
[Snippy]
I suspect strongly that John-Mark considers the core engine a much more
interesting problem than a load of GUI glue
In article 1253218143.5804.343.ca...@duiker,
John-Mark Bell j...@netsurf-browser.org wrote:
On Thu, 2009-09-17 at 20:20 +0100, Dave Symes wrote:
In article 20090917110637.7f0f2...@trite.i.flarn.net.i.flarn.net,
Rob Kendrick r...@netsurf-browser.org wrote:
[Snippy]
I suspect
On Thu, 17 Sep 2009 23:34:53 +0100
aw29...@gmail.com wrote:
In all of this, our preference has been for option 1. It would,
however, be remiss of us not to point out the inevitable result of
option 1 not happening (i.e. option 2).
One idea is doing what 99% of people never seem to do
On Thu, 17 Sep 2009 21:30:07 +0100
Dave Symes d...@triffid.co.uk wrote:
No John, I wasn't asking why you (J-M B) were here, I thinks that's
quite obvious, I was asking Why Rob was still here in RO land,
considering his antipathy towards the OS both here and elsewhere.
This just happened to be
In article 20090918003025.2a35d...@trite.i.flarn.net.i.flarn.net, Rob
Kendrick r...@netsurf-browser.org wrote:
Perhaps it is time to accept that there is nobody available to do the
work. If people don't like that, it's time to start learning
software engineering and get involved, or learning
Dear John-Mark, Rob and other developers,
From recent mails I understood that the RISC OS frontend of NetSurf may
eventually be dropped, since it's lack of maintenance is obstructing the
development of the core code.
This may sound reasonable, but somehow I don't fully understand things.
Apart
Paul Sprangers p...@sprie.nl wrote:
From recent mails I understood that the RISC OS frontend of NetSurf may
eventually be dropped, since it's lack of maintenance is obstructing the
development of the core code.
This may sound reasonable, but somehow I don't fully understand things.
Apart
David Pitt pit...@pittdj.co.uk wrote:
The flaw in this is that none of the current NetSurf developers are RISC
OS programmers, they may not even be RISC OS users.
That really surprises me. I always thought that John-Mark c.s. were genuine
RISC OS users. Apparently, the assumption that
On Wed, 16 Sep 2009 09:09:09 +0200
Paul Sprangers p...@sprie.nl wrote:
I therefore suspect that the main reason for such development is the
joy of programming. If that is true, why not maintain the RISC OS
front end your self? It will at least guarantee quite a number of
very grateful users,
On Wed, 16 Sep 2009 10:16:10 +0200
Paul Sprangers p...@sprie.nl wrote:
David Pitt pit...@pittdj.co.uk wrote:
The flaw in this is that none of the current NetSurf developers are
RISC OS programmers, they may not even be RISC OS users.
That really surprises me. I always thought that
Hello!
On Wed, 16 Sep 2009 10:37:41 +0100, Rob Kendrick r...@netsurf-browser.org
wrote:
That really surprises me. I always thought that John-Mark c.s. were
genuine RISC OS users. Apparently, the assumption that contribution
to a RISC OS mailing list implies RISC OS usership, is indicating a
On Wed, 2009-09-16 at 12:51 +0200, Amin Kharchi wrote:
Hello!
On Wed, 16 Sep 2009 10:37:41 +0100, Rob Kendrick r...@netsurf-browser.org
wrote:
That really surprises me. I always thought that John-Mark c.s. were
genuine RISC OS users. Apparently, the assumption that contribution
to a
On Wed, 16 Sep 2009 12:51:32 +0200
Amin Kharchi amin@kharchi.eu wrote:
On Wed, 16 Sep 2009 10:37:41 +0100, Rob Kendrick
r...@netsurf-browser.org wrote:
That really surprises me. I always thought that John-Mark c.s. were
genuine RISC OS users. Apparently, the assumption that
On Wed, 2009-09-16 at 13:39 +0100, A W wrote:
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 12:53 PM, John-Mark Bell
j...@netsurf-browser.org wrote:
Future major changes to the way in which the core works are liable to
require corresponding changes in platform frontends. If any given
frontend has no
Rob Kendrick wrote:
On Wed, 16 Sep 2009 13:39:47 +0100
A W aw29...@gmail.com wrote:
Can you not just take some time out and modify the RO front end?
Can't you? Personally, I don't have the will power.
Perhaps you should just stick to working on drippingsarcasm.lib.so :-)
--
David J. Ruck
In article 4c6a9b0d0909160539q561ea62aj8996cbfdc7813...@mail.gmail.com,
A W aw29...@gmail.com wrote:
[Snip]
Can you not just take some time out and modify the RO front end?
I know the answer is going to be: If insert name has the time and
enthusiasm, why doesn't insert name do the job?
On Wed, 16 Sep 2009 14:58:23 +0100
Tim Hill t...@timil.com wrote:
In the meantime, continued begging at the feet of the developers is
unlikely to bear fruit. They have moved on. Though why onto other
platforms replete with more capable browsers may remain a mystery to
some of us. ;-)
Writing
Quoting Tim Hill t...@timil.com:
Personally, the only way I could do it would be to learn the rest of 'C'
first and then get stuck in to the probable hours, days, weeks, months
necessary. I and others need to eat, pay bills and have a roof above.
I think the idea is to work on NetSurf instead
Quoting John-Mark Bell j...@netsurf-browser.org:
Frankly, we'd take anything we get right now. Contrary to popular
belief, we have no desire to ditch the RISC OS frontend out of hand.
Additionally, we have a great deal of experience in introducing new
developers to our codebase and ways of
On Wed, 16 Sep 2009 15:04:42 +0100
dave higton davehig...@dsl.pipex.com wrote:
So why don't I work on NetSurf? Well, I've looked at a couple of
major projects in C written by other people. I eventually took
fright after failing to make head or tail of them. (If C isn't
written following
On Wed, 16 Sep 2009 15:09:36 +0100
dave higton davehig...@dsl.pipex.com wrote:
Quoting John-Mark Bell j...@netsurf-browser.org:
Frankly, we'd take anything we get right now. Contrary to popular
belief, we have no desire to ditch the RISC OS frontend out of hand.
Additionally, we have a
On Wed, 16 Sep 2009 10:16:10 +0200, Paul Sprangers wibbled on for an age:
David Pitt pit...@pittdj.co.uk wrote:
The flaw in this is that none of the current NetSurf developers are RISC
OS programmers, they may not even be RISC OS users.
That really surprises me. I always thought that
In message 1253105573.5804.236.ca...@duiker
John-Mark Bell j...@netsurf-browser.org wrote:
Future major changes to the way in which the core works are liable to
require corresponding changes in platform frontends. If any given
frontend has no maintainer, then the chances of the
On 16 Sep, Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote in message
mpro.kq2r4w0002fm5005w@powys.org:
On 16 Sep at 14:58, Tim Hill t...@timil.com wrote:
Are there 500 user of the RISC OS version of NetSurf willing to donate
£4 a month to support a developer?
www.pledgebank.com/netsurf4riscos
Anyhow I
On 16 Sep, Rob Kendrick wrote in message
20090916125441.08b4b...@trite.i.flarn.net.i.flarn.net:
On Wed, 16 Sep 2009 12:51:32 +0200
Amin Kharchi amin@kharchi.eu wrote:
It would be fair for any RISC OS user if the homepage says the truth:
RISC OS has no priority! Its only the rest.
On 17 Sep, aw29...@gmail.com wrote in message
512be99b50.and...@no.reply:
In message 1253105573.5804.236.ca...@duiker
John-Mark Bell j...@netsurf-browser.org wrote:
Future major changes to the way in which the core works are liable
to require corresponding changes in platform
Michael Drake wrote on 15 Sep :
... As part of his work on the GTK front end he has also moved
functionality from the RISC OS front end to the multi-platform code
core ...
this sort of phrase occurs several times in the report about the
summer's accomplishments.
am i right that it
On Tue, 2009-09-15 at 12:42 +0100, Jim Nagel wrote:
Michael Drake wrote on 15 Sep :
... As part of his work on the GTK front end he has also moved
functionality from the RISC OS front end to the multi-platform code
core ...
this sort of phrase occurs several times in the report about
On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 12:57 PM, John-Mark Bell
j...@netsurf-browser.org wrote:
Indirectly. The RISC OS frontend's lack of maintenance is actively
blocking several of these changes being merged. The longer this
situation persists, the more likely I am to unilaterally remove support
for the
On Tue, 2009-09-15 at 14:06 +0100, A W wrote:
On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 12:57 PM, John-Mark Bell
j...@netsurf-browser.org wrote:
Indirectly. The RISC OS frontend's lack of maintenance is actively
blocking several of these changes being merged. The longer this
situation persists, the more
On 15 Sep 2009 Mike Hobbs wrote:
Withdrawing support for RISC OS, to me, is crazy. There are already
far more capable browsers for other platforms so I never use NetSurf
on anything other than RISC OS.
Absolutely!
--
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In message 1253020083.5804.142.ca...@duiker
John-Mark Bell j...@netsurf-browser.org wrote:
On Tue, 2009-09-15 at 14:06 +0100, A W wrote:
On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 12:57 PM, John-Mark Bell
j...@netsurf-browser.org wrote:
Indirectly. The RISC OS frontend's lack of maintenance is
On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 20:44:32 +0100
aw29...@gmail.com wrote:
In message 1253020083.5804.142.ca...@duiker
John-Mark Bell j...@netsurf-browser.org wrote:
On Tue, 2009-09-15 at 14:06 +0100, A W wrote:
On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 12:57 PM, John-Mark Bell
j...@netsurf-browser.org wrote:
In article d8a0529b50.and...@no.reply,
aw29...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm wondering if they've said they'd like to but don't
have the know how or time or provided I could work on
x,y etc
Why would anyone who does not have the know how or time
come forward in the first place?
Surely the
On Tue, 2009-09-15 at 22:25 +0100, Russell Hafter - Lists wrote:
Surely the developers have better things to do than deal
with those who either have no time to do the work that needs
doing or those who do not have the necessary expertise?
Frankly, we'd take anything we get right now. Contrary
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