[NSP] Re: PS Forum

2011-07-04 Thread Francis Wood
Thanks, Tim . . . that is certainly easier to find. One further possible improvement would be to add the Forum to the links on the left. I very much agree with Mike over the usefulness of the Forum space with its ability to present images and sound. How can any musical instrument-based

[NSP] Re: Another Roxburgh Castle

2011-07-04 Thread Francis Wood
On 4 Jul 2011, at 08:10, Edric Ellis wrote: Here's my somewhat plodding effort. I really like this. Very neat, very musical. Actually, I prefer the tune un-ranted, though I've enjoyed the other versions. I recorded this mostly so I could listen back for my own education, As Robert Burns

[NSP] Re: [NPS-Discussion] Re: PS Forum

2011-07-04 Thread chris
- Announcement on Dartmouth of any new topic or significant addition to the Forum which the provider thinks may be of general interest. That would be very helpful. One of the major advantages of the email list is that you don't have to go looking for it. Chris To get on or off this list

[NSP] Re: Roxborough Castle TOTM

2011-07-04 Thread Francis Wood
Wot, no comments? This certainly deserves some appreciation! Nice account, John. Very toe-tapping. I particularly admire your very economical finger movements. A very good basis for effective closed-fingering and it certainly shows up well in the playing here. Congratulations! Francis

[NSP] TOTM for July

2011-07-04 Thread Anthony Robb
Hello John Thank you very much for giving us those two tunes and taking on the rant rhythm which brings back so many memories of nights shared with the old guys. That particular set (done in reverse order) was a turning point for me in my piping career when I attempted to join in

[NSP] Re: [NPS-Discussion] Re: PS Forum

2011-07-04 Thread smallpipes
A simple way of automating this would be to register the Dartmouth list email address to receive new topic and new message notification from the NPS forum. Quoting ch...@harris405.plus.com: - Announcement on Dartmouth of any new topic or significant addition to the Forum which the

[NSP] Re: [NPS-Discussion] Re: PS Forum

2011-07-04 Thread Francis Wood
That would work very efficiently . . . in fact, probably too efficiently. Wouldn't it be better to leave it to the individual writer to decide whether they want their addition to the forum announced on Dartmouth? And isn't there a facility for the individual reader to opt in to an email alert

[NSP] Re: [NPS-Discussion] Re: PS Forum

2011-07-04 Thread barry07
Quoting Francis Wood oatenp...@googlemail.com: That would work very efficiently . . . in fact, probably too efficiently. Wouldn't it be better to leave it to the individual writer to decide whether they want their addition to the forum announced on Dartmouth? And isn't there a facility for

[NSP] Re: [NPS-Discussion] NSP Lists duplication

2011-07-04 Thread Julia Say
On 4 Jul 2011, Francis Wood wrote: The Dartmouth list is for anyone interested in Northmbrian Small-pipes. It is administered and monitored entirely from without NPS membership. No member or officer of the society has any say in how it is run, although several (only about half) committee

[NSP] Re: [NPS-Discussion] NSP Lists duplication

2011-07-04 Thread Francis Wood
Thanks Julia. A really helpful response. I'm in favour of your suggestions. Francis On 4 Jul 2011, at 14:23, Julia Say wrote: On 4 Jul 2011, Francis Wood wrote: The Dartmouth list is for anyone interested in Northmbrian Small-pipes. It is administered and monitored entirely from

[NSP] Re: Another Roxburgh Castle

2011-07-04 Thread John Dally
Thanks for posting, Edric. Your blowing is very steady and your pipes sound great to me. Intonation--I too discovered that recording yourself really shows up intonation--I must work on that. cheers, John On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 12:10 AM, Edric Ellis

[NSP] Re: Breaking a promise

2011-07-03 Thread Francis Wood
Dear Anthony, I should probably keep out of this. However . . . So I've just re-read this from a few days ago: I am the vile editor of the NPS Journal who changed the title of Anthony's article without his consent and I have apologized to him privately and will publish a full apology in

[NSP] Re: Breaking a promise[off list]

2011-07-03 Thread Anthony Robb
Hello Francis If someone kicks you in the shins and you say ouch that hurt and on being informed of the the hurt the person then apologises for wearing boots is that an effective apology? Barry has now apologised for the act itself and as I said in my recent comments it is

[NSP] Ouch!

2011-07-03 Thread Anthony Robb
Apologies! I deleted the wrong email address there! Come back Barry, all is forgiven! Anthony -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[NSP] Roxborough Castle TOTM

2011-07-03 Thread John Dally
Here's my offering for the TOTM. [1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GK5xTxCFvOY I played these tunes in what I hope is a rant rhythm. -- References 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GK5xTxCFvOY To get on or off this list see list information at

[NSP] Re: Re:

2011-07-03 Thread smallpipes
Hi John The forum on the NPS web site is open to all (you just have to register) For some reason it is tucked away on the members page - I think that it should be on the front page! Currently things are a bit quiet but I hope that it will perk up once people try it and like it. It is

[NSP] Re: [NSP] Fwd: Re: [NSP] Re: Re:

2011-07-02 Thread davidsin
Hi Francis, I joined the NPS in 1991 as expat, the magazine was really the only contact I had with piping. Later the problems of payment caused so much hassle I left perhaps 10 years later. I joined the LBPS because they had payment by bankcard and they were more towards

[NSP] More Rants

2011-07-02 Thread Anthony Robb
Hello Folks After this I promise to go away and play my pipes for a week and leave you all in peace but I thought these might be of interest to some: [1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KX-wAEtK_hM They are three Willy Taylor Rants - a bit more gentle than the usual rant

[NSP] Re: July's Tune of the month

2011-07-01 Thread John Dally
Beautiful! Thanks! On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 8:00 AM, Anthony Robb [1]anth...@robbpipes.com wrote: Hello Folks OK shoot me down in flames - a bit hesitant at times but just as I was going to try it again a neighbour's noisy lawn mower meant I couldn't.

[NSP] Fwd: Re: [NSP] Re: Re:

2011-07-01 Thread davidsin
Hi Antony, How about posting the article here? There are lots of people who are interested but are not NPS members -- I like the hint of lilt in your playing - always have A regards Dave S Anthony Robb wrote: Hello John That's sounds great. It's exactly the

[NSP] Re: Re:

2011-07-01 Thread barry07
(Suspicious voice) Hullo, Anyone there? I've got my tin hat on. Any incoming fire? (Normal voice) Attempts at humour on the internet are dangerous and generally misunderstood. I am the vile editor of the NPS Journal who changed the title of Anthony's article without his consent and I have

[NSP] Re: Re:

2011-07-01 Thread Francis Wood
On 1 Jul 2011, at 20:39, david...@pt.lu wrote: How about posting the article here? There are lots of people who are interested but are not NPS members Hi Dave, I think you've made quite a good case here for joining the NPS. Francis To get on or off this list see list information at

[NSP] Re: Your Video

2011-07-01 Thread Francis Wood
On 1 Jul 2011, at 21:44, barr...@nspipes.co.uk wrote: However, how long does video persist on Utube? Easy for the account holder to remove videos from YouTube videos , as the help pages indicate. Will our hesitant attempts at playing still be floating in the ethernet in 2525.

[NSP] Re: Re:

2011-07-01 Thread smallpipes
And an even better case for posting it on the NPS forum (its open to non members) Quoting Francis Wood oatenp...@googlemail.com: On 1 Jul 2011, at 20:39, david...@pt.lu wrote: How about posting the article here? There are lots of people who are interested but are not NPS members Hi

[NSP] Re: whether The Tradition should evolve?

2011-07-01 Thread cwhill
Tradition is how things are done and it's an ever moving, never ending flow. Very similar to the evolution of a language. To insist that one certain aspect is the tradition is actually taking a snapshot of that evolution and stopping it (as if we were to still speak the English of Shakespeare).

[NSP] Re: Tune of the Month, July, Roxborough Castle

2011-06-30 Thread Francis Wood
On 30 Jun 2011, at 08:15, John Dally wrote: Here are a couple of youtube items that already fit the bill for July. [1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHBO8CGAIeQfeature=related [2]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKC0ZoVqfzUNR=1 What's your take on the tune? Hi John, Two very

[NSP] Re: Tune of the Month, July, Roxborough Castle

2011-06-30 Thread Christopher.Birch
Might be quite good if he played it at half the speed. And got his chanter remotely in tune. Otherwise agree with Francis. Me too. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[NSP] Re: the man with the tin ear

2011-06-30 Thread Francis Wood
On 30 Jun 2011, at 09:22, smallpi...@machineconcepts.co.uk wrote: I agree with francis. Another mangalisation this time using the Uillean pipes as the weapon of choice. http://www.youtube.com/user/disinpass#p/a/u/0/dkK4_tcPaG8 And, guessing from the size of those arms, he's using the UP

[NSP] Re: the man with the tin ear

2011-06-30 Thread Tim Rolls
.and would probably sound better if he didn't insist on using a corner of the Gents for recording his videos Tim On 30 Jun 2011, at 09:33, Francis Wood wrote: On 30 Jun 2011, at 09:22, smallpi...@machineconcepts.co.uk wrote: I agree with francis. Another mangalisation this time using the

[NSP] Re: Tune of the Month, July, Roxborough Castle

2011-06-30 Thread Richard York
Yes to both, and the acoustic doesn't help at all. And a curious choice of drone, which on my headset seemed to be the subdominant. I admire anyone, though, who can honestly say they've never played too fast when confronted with a recording device, and mangled good intentions, when nervous

[NSP] Re: Tune of the Month, July, Roxborough Castle

2011-06-30 Thread Christopher.Birch
And a curious choice of drone, which on my headset seemed to be the subdominant. Yes I admire anyone, though, who can honestly say they've never played too fast when confronted with a recording device, and mangled good intentions, when nervous adrenalin cripples technique though. Or am I

[NSP] Re: Tune of the Month, July, Roxborough Castle

2011-06-30 Thread Richard York
True 'nuff! :) On 30/06/2011 10:20, christopher.bi...@ec.europa.eu wrote: ... Could have done another take? C --- Text inserted by Panda IS 2011: This message has NOT been classified as

[NSP] Re: Tune of the Month, July, Roxborough Castle

2011-06-30 Thread Anthony Robb
-- On Thu, 30/6/11, Francis Wood oatenp...@googlemail.com wrote: It's a lot easier to play Roxborough Castle in dotted rhythm, as is done here. I prefer it played absolutely straight, which is really very challenging. A commonly played tune which is rarely played well. I quite

[NSP] Re: Tune of the Month, July, Roxborough Castle

2011-06-30 Thread Francis Wood
Hello Anthony, I don't think we disagree. At Stuart Hardy's musical altitude, I'm sure you're right. That's a level I can only admire but never approach. On a more basic level, playing the tune with a dotted rhythm will get you through in a far less exposed manner than playing straight, which

[NSP] Re: Tune of the Month, July, Roxborough Castle

2011-06-30 Thread cwhill
I'll tell you what worries me. Don't they listen/watch what they are posting for the public? If they don't, why not? If they do, why don't they notice that things are wrong? This guy can obviously play the thing - including the regulators which are tricky at the best of times. I'm guessing it's

[NSP] Re: tin ear man

2011-06-30 Thread John Dally
True enough, John. I hope as many pipers as possible will be encouraged to share their performances without fear of getting the Simon Cowal treatment. On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 9:58 AM, Gibbons, John [1]j.gibb...@imperial.ac.uk wrote: One out of 2 isn't bad - led to a

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2011-06-30 Thread Anthony Robb
--- On Thu, 30/6/11, Francis Wood oatenp...@googlemail.com wrote: Hello Anthony, I don't think we disagree. At Stuart Hardy's musical altitude, I'm sure you're right. That's a level I can only admire but never approach. On a more basic level, playing the tune with a dotted

[NSP] Re:

2011-06-30 Thread Gibbons, John
Anthony, Francis and all, I've just tried playing Hesleyside and Roxburgh Castle at rant speed, but with hornpipey dotting, and found it very educational, and potentially very musical too. There is a rightness about playing them that way which is very convincing. But they need more work

[NSP] Re: tin ear man

2011-06-30 Thread cwhill
Fortunately I don't suffer from X Factor syndrome so won't be posting anything myself. :) Colin Hill On 30/06/2011 17:23, John Dally wrote: Even though I think all the comments on the youtube videos that I volunteered to go over the top in the first wave are all correct and

[NSP] KVR online

2011-06-29 Thread Julia Say
Kohler's Violin Repository, a hard to find but much used source of tunes for fiddlers in this area in the C19. It was sold in weekly or monthly instalments and then copies were passed from hand to hand. http://imslp.org/imglnks/usimg/d/db/IMSLP106889-PMLP217734- koehlersviolinrepository_1.pdf

[NSP] Re: KVR online

2011-06-29 Thread Reid Bishop
Links are nonfunctional. Pretty interested in them. Cheers Reid Sent from my iPhone On Jun 29, 2011, at 11:24 AM, Julia Say julia@nspipes.co.uk wrote: Kohler's Violin Repository, a hard to find but much used source of tunes for fiddlers in this area in the C19. It was sold in weekly or

[NSP] Re: [NPS-Discussion] KVR online

2011-06-29 Thread richard.hea...@tiscali.co.uk
Hi Julia, Thanks for these links - what a super find! The links do work if you just copy the entire link (not just the blue part) and paste it into the URL address box of your browser. Cheers, Richard Original Message From: julia@nspipes.co.uk Date: 29/06/2011 17:24 To:

[NSP] Re: KVR online

2011-06-29 Thread Julia Say
On 29 Jun 2011, Francis Wood wrote: The URLs are just fine. Copy and paste them into any browser. Thanks to Julia for providing this valuable information! No thanks to me, Francis, I just came across them. Sorry about the non- functionality, I copied pasted them and I'm on a text mailer if

[NSP] Re: KVR online

2011-06-29 Thread Francis Wood
On 29 Jun 2011, at 18:06, Julia Say wrote: I see the copy digitised was donated to NLS by Dorothea Ruggles-Brise - she of pulling Dixon out of the flames fame. Not famous enough for me to have heard of her . . . so what's the rest of this interesting story? Francis To get on or off

[NSP] Re: KVR online

2011-06-29 Thread Steve Bliven
For a brief summary of the story; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Dixon_manuscript Best wishes. Steve On 6/29/11 2:00 PM, Francis Wood oatenp...@googlemail.com wrote: On 29 Jun 2011, at 18:06, Julia Say wrote: I see the copy digitised was donated to NLS by Dorothea Ruggles-Brise -

[NSP] Re: KVR online

2011-06-29 Thread smallpipes
One of the more obvious limitiations of the mailing list format is the fixed line length. Some forums have the same problem. It would be useful if this information was posted on the NPS forum then it will remain available for future pipers Mike Quoting Julia Say julia@nspipes.co.uk:

[NSP] KVR

2011-06-29 Thread smallpipes
I have added the links to the forum and it does work better on that format. Mike AKA Sisyphus To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[NSP] Re: KVR online

2011-06-29 Thread Julia Say
On 29 Jun 2011, Francis Wood wrote: I see the copy digitised was donated to NLS by Dorothea Ruggles-Brise - she of pulling Dixon out of the flames fame. Not famous enough for me to have heard of her . . . so what's the rest of this interesting story? Lady Dorothea was the daughter

[NSP] Re: [NPS-Discussion] KVR online

2011-06-29 Thread Reid Bishop
Ah got it. Stupid iPhone goofed the formatting. All is working. This is superb. Any suggestions for a yank like me where to focus efforts tunewise? Something like a standard top 20-40 Northumbrian fiddle tune or set list. Looking for something similar for pipes as well. Reid Sent from

[NSP] more interesting stuff on the same site as KVR

2011-06-29 Thread smallpipes
an interesting letter to the Duke of Northumberland http://www.archive.org/details/alettertodukeno00doubgoog I draw your attention to page 34 Mike To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[NSP] Re: more interesting stuff on the same site as KVR

2011-06-29 Thread Julia Say
On 29 Jun 2011, smallpi...@machineconcepts.co wrote: an interesting letter to the Duke of Northumberland http://www.archive.org/details/alettertodukeno00doubgoog Ah, yes. The letter that sparked the project that became the Northumbrian Minstrelsy. Julia To get on or off this list see

[NSP] Re: Ahh yes the Northumbrian Minstrelsy

2011-06-29 Thread Gibbons, John
For the tunes at least, a lot more interesting than NM - though it was important when it came out - is the source material for it, a lot of which is on FARNE. The Antiquaries society MS, Topliff's collection and of course Vickers and Atkinson, are all there, and were sources for NM. The

[NSP] Re: Ahh yes the Northumbrian Minstrelsy

2011-06-29 Thread Tim Rolls
On 29 Jun 2011, at 22:02, Gibbons, John wrote: For the tunes at least, a lot more interesting than NM - though it was important when it came out - is the source material for it, a lot of which is on FARNE. The link for which, and a few other things is on the links page of the NPS

[NSP] Tune of the Month June and July 2011

2011-06-29 Thread John Dally
Felton Lonnin was suggested as tune of the month for June. I forget who suggested it. I didn't make a video due to an extremely busy travel schedule over the last six weeks, but I hope to get something up on youtube by Thursday--tomorrow. If not then, then sometime soon, I hope.

[NSP] Re: Deaf/dead

2011-06-27 Thread Francis Wood
On 24 Jun 2011, at 12:24, cwhill wrote: Imagine some guy sitting watching his goats playing a shawm, getting out of breath (and they do take a lot of puff) and thinking I have a cunning plan. Hi Colin and all, Goats are pretty clever creatures and apparently have been playing bagpipes

[NSP] Re: Deaf/dead

2011-06-27 Thread cwhill
I wonder what the bag is made from then - a shepherd perhaps? Colin Hill On 26/06/2011 11:41, Francis Wood wrote: On 24 Jun 2011, at 12:24, cwhill wrote: Imagine some guy sitting watching his goats playing a shawm, getting out of breath (and they do take a lot of puff) and thinking I

[NSP] Re: Deaf/dead

2011-06-27 Thread Francis Wood
On 26 Jun 2011, at 13:23, cwhill wrote: I wonder what the bag is made from then - a shepherd perhaps? Interesting idea! Perhaps make shepherds pie from the other bits? Francis To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[NSP] Re: Deaf/dead

2011-06-27 Thread cwhill
OK, just for you, here's the missing item , You mean you have never seen Big Al and his amazing shawm playing goat quartet? You haven't lived. Colin Hill On 24/06/2011 14:40, Gibbons, John wrote: I've never seen anyone's goats playing a shawm - playing the goat, perhaps. You are

[NSP] Re: Deaf/dead

2011-06-27 Thread Matt Seattle
On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 1:23 PM, cwhill [1]cwh...@santa-fe.freeserve.co.uk wrote: I wonder what the bag is made from then - a shepherd perhaps? A long time ago (not quite mediaeval times though) someone (Dave van Doorn?) did a cartoon for the BagSoc magazine on exACTly that

[NSP] Last call for Newcastleton Piping Comps

2011-06-27 Thread Matt Seattle
Last call for Newcastleton Piping Comps Sat 2 July 2011 When I was asked to judge these again this year I said I was happy to do so if the Festival Committee were happy to continue with them, given the recent low turnouts for both Border and Northumbrian pipes classes. The

[NSP] Re: Last call for Newcastleton Piping Comps

2011-06-27 Thread Gibbons, John
The midges in Newcastleton are as nothing compared to the ones on the 'right' side of the border along Kielder Water. On our only trip there, we stopped on the way to admire the view of the lake, and were eaten alive. The cost of getting there is measured in blood! But Liddesdale was always

[NSP] Re: Deaf/dead

2011-06-24 Thread Christopher.Birch
If Beethoven were alive today and could hear (:)), would he have recognised his compositions as played I'm very sure he would have recognised the pieces but he might have thought people had a very funny way of playing them. Though I did once hear a recording of piece by Palestrina that I had

[NSP] Re: Was Mr. Fenwick right?

2011-06-24 Thread Christopher.Birch
Tom Clough wrote that notes should be played their full length, but clearly separated, and Fenwick is consistent with this. And they were both consistent with this: notes last *almost* until the next one starts. This is what I meant by a fresh start to each note but not necessarily a

[NSP] Re: Deaf/dead

2011-06-24 Thread brimor
In our search for the correct way to play a piece, I think that we are all overlooking the point that composers tend to make minor (occasionally major) alterations in a lot of their pieces (embellishments, dynamics and even notes and whole phrases) each time they perform, depending on their

[NSP] Re: Deaf/dead

2011-06-24 Thread Gibbons, John
I've never seen anyone's goats playing a shawm - playing the goat, perhaps. You are perhaps thinking of the Great God Pan, who played another wind instrument... John -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of cwhill Sent: 24 June

[NSP] Re: Was Mr. Fenwick right?

2011-06-23 Thread Francis Wood
Hello Barry and others, Well this is certainly interesting. Firstly can anyone (i.e you, Julia!) throw any light on Fenwick his background? Was Mr. Fenwick right? I think he was, in the 1885 context of the aims of that tutor and the unfamiliarity of the instrument. I would suggest a

[NSP] Re: Was Mr. Fenwick right?

2011-06-23 Thread Matt Seattle
I don't have Fenwick's Tutor, but I do have, reprinted elsewhere, the tunes it included, and these, to my mind, show that he had contact with the evolving stem of the Tradition at the time - the first appearance of the longer Hol(e)y Ha'penny set, the Barrington Hornpipe,

[NSP] Re: Was Mr. Fenwick right?

2011-06-23 Thread Julia Say
On 23 Jun 2011, Gibbons, John wrote: Tom Clough wrote that notes should be played their full length, but clearly separated, and Fenwick is consistent with this. The most important thing in a tune is the spaces between the notes, not the notes themselves. paraphrase of Joe Hutton talking

[NSP] Re: Was Mr. Fenwick right?

2011-06-23 Thread Francis Wood
On 23 Jun 2011, at 11:20, Julia Say wrote: The most important thing in a tune is the spaces between the notes, not the notes themselves. This is also consistent with the musical principles of the composer Bruno Heinz Jaja, demonstrated by the musicologists Dr Klauss Domgraf-Fassbaender

[NSP] Re: Was Mr. Fenwick right?

2011-06-23 Thread Julia Say
On 23 Jun 2011, Francis Wood wrote: the composer Bruno Heinz Jaja, demonstrated by the musicologists Dr Klauss Domgraf-Fassbaender and Professor von der Vogelweide at the Hoffning Interplanetary Festival 1958 There are three bars of silence . . . the second bar is in 3-4 and this gives

[NSP] Re: Was Mr. Fenwick right?

2011-06-23 Thread barry07
Before Jaja, music was all flagellated Cream Fassbender offers some grudging compliment to Schoenberg but to show Jaja's superioriity added Jaja has never written a note of harmony in his life! Before Music was witten on manuscript paper with a pen, but Jaja introduce the schlip-rule

[NSP] Re: Was Mr. Fenwick right?

2011-06-23 Thread cwhill
I've always thought of the spaces as being similar to playing something like a glockenspiel/hammer dulcimer (with one hammer) or even a piano (with one finger) where it's very difficult to play legato or slur notes into one another. The fact I have six fingers and a thumb covering the holes

[NSP] Re: Was Mr. Fenwick right?

2011-06-23 Thread Francis Wood
On 23 Jun 2011, at 12:01, barr...@nspipes.co.uk wrote: Fassbender offers some grudging compliment to Schoenberg So he does! The essential difference between Schoenberg and Proper Piping is that in his case it was a 12 tone row, whereas in the recent discussion (Proper Peacock Piping) it

[NSP] Emails I've looked at.

2011-06-23 Thread inky-adrian
Staccato: Not the space in between, it's the aEUR~pop' that comes out. I've learn't somat tonite. Ta. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[NSP] Re: Deaf/dead

2011-06-22 Thread Julia Say
On 22 Jun 2011, Richard York wrote: Thoughtful and considered artistic advice of a sensitive nature would be most welcome, please. Richard, I think you're maybe asking in the wrong place grin! Good luck with the tune. Julia To get on or off this list see list information at

[NSP] Re: Deaf/dead

2011-06-22 Thread Christopher.Birch
'Detached' is not an equivalent, though. I'll play a slow air, or everything else for that manner with 'detached fingering' because that's how a stopped chanter works. And it's not the opposite of 'legato'! I take 'detached fingering' to mean only that and nothing more. Only one finger off at

[NSP] Re: Deaf/dead

2011-06-22 Thread Philip Gruar
Quoting Barry they had to 'write' music which professional musicians could play either almost or completely at sight, and all the directions had to be on the page. The larger the group of musicians, the more more meticulous the directions had to be. To my way of thinking, in the classical

[NSP] Re: Deaf/dead

2011-06-22 Thread Francis Wood
On 22 Jun 2011, at 09:31, christopher.bi...@ec.europa.eu christopher.bi...@ec.europa.eu wrote: Word's spellchequer used to suggest fellated for filleted. Further light has thus been thrown on the term 'codpiece' Francis To get on or off this list see list information at

[NSP] Re: Deaf/dead

2011-06-22 Thread Francis Wood
On 22 Jun 2011, at 09:39, christopher.bi...@ec.europa.eu wrote: What would you say was the opposite of legato. Ooooh, I'm not going there!! Saying that something is _not_ the opposite of another is only one assertion. Saying what _is_ an opposite requires a number of bold and foolhardy

[NSP] Re: Deaf/dead

2011-06-22 Thread Christopher.Birch
I think I'd go along with all of this. C -Original Message- From: Francis Wood [mailto:oatenp...@googlemail.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 11:01 AM To: BIRCH Christopher (DGT) Cc: NSPlist group Subject: Re: [NSP] Re: Deaf/dead On 22 Jun 2011, at 09:39,

[NSP] Re: Deaf/dead

2011-06-22 Thread Christopher.Birch
Thank you in turn, Philip. The ancient sagas are an interesting question. I don't know when or how the Iliad and the Odyssey came to be fixed in their present form, but I do know that the Kalevala was a compilation from a variety of sources made only in the 19th century. A sobering thought for

[NSP] Re: Deaf/dead

2011-06-22 Thread Daphne Briggs
The Iliad is thought to have been written down in something like its current form a little earler than the Odyssey, during the second half or last quarter of the eighth century BC. Daphne On 22 Jun 2011, at 10:15, christopher.bi...@ec.europa.eu wrote: Thank you in turn, Philip. The ancient

[NSP] Re: Deaf/dead

2011-06-22 Thread Christopher.Birch
Generally people in literate societies have far worse memories than in societies with oral/aural cultures. Ask an ear player how many tunes he knows - it will be more than I can remember where I kept the dots of Swings and roundabouts. C To get on or off this list see list

[NSP] Re: Forbearance please

2011-06-22 Thread Matt Seattle
On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 7:58 AM, Anthony Robb [1]anth...@robbpipes.com wrote: [1][2]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cxh4GyR7XhA Hoping that no further discussion will ensue! OK Anthony, I won't discuss it, but how good to hear Mr Preston's Hornpipe, it suits the NSP very

[NSP] Re: Forbearance please

2011-06-22 Thread Anthony Robb
--- On Wed, 22/6/11, Matt Seattle theborderpi...@googlemail.com wrote: OK Anthony, I won't discuss it, but how good to hear Mr Preston's Hornpipe, it suits the NSP very well IMO. Hello Matt Many thanks for putting us right on the name of the 2nd tune. I'll tell the lasses

[NSP] Re: Deaf/dead

2011-06-22 Thread cwhill
This is a fascinating thread. I'm just going to throw in a few thoughts that have been going around my head. We are probably rather spoiled living in an age of recordings. I'm thinking of the interpretation of the dots as opposed to actual playing of them as written. I suppose this is one

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2011-06-22 Thread Edric Ellis
And there was I thinking that it was an alternative name! I love that tune, especially since hearing the Eliza Carthy / Martin Green version on Dinner (which has a bunch of other 3/2 hornpipes, many from the John of the Green, the Cheshire Way book). I have been attempting it on the NSP, but

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2011-06-22 Thread Gibbons, John
Then again, Mr Preston's Hornpipe - tune, variations, title and all would be lost to us if Marsden hadn't got (Playford?) to print it in 170-something! Swings and roundabouts, indeed. John -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf

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2011-06-21 Thread Christopher.Birch
Oops, outlook tells me I've already sent a reply. I wonder what it said... Barry, et al. May I point you to the Dolmetsch dictionary http://www.dolmetsch.com/defss4.htm Thanks, this is very interesting but unfortunately reminds me that dictionaries are not infallible. (I have been working as

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2011-06-21 Thread Julia Say
On 20 Jun 2011, Gibbons, John wrote: stacc. abbreviated form of staccato (Italian: detached, separated) staccare (Italian) to detach, to separate each note The word has its natural meaning, in other words. Stacatissimo is what some people think it means, but it doesn't! I

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2011-06-21 Thread Christopher.Birch
that's what I tend to use) that in classical / art music terms these days, a note with a staccato dot should be played half length of what is printed, (so a crotchet becomes a quaver, for instance), This is the convention I'm familiar with too. I find a useful practise technique for NSP, now

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2011-06-21 Thread Francis Wood
On 21 Jun 2011, at 10:38, christopher.bi...@ec.europa.eu wrote: now that I'm emerging from the doldrums Doldra, surely? Francis To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

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2011-06-21 Thread Christopher.Birch
I forgot to mention the stupid percussion, sorry ;-) c -Original Message- From: Francis Wood [mailto:oatenp...@googlemail.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 11:53 AM To: BIRCH Christopher (DGT) Cc: julia@nspipes.co.uk; barr...@nspipes.co.uk; j.gibb...@imperial.ac.uk;

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2011-06-21 Thread Francis Wood
Hello Julia and others, I like this reply very much. This has been a good thread and a great endorsement of the varied interests which emerge from and return to the discussion of our favourite instrument. It's also a good demonstration of both the value and the disadvantages of this list

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2011-06-21 Thread Christopher.Birch
And no one threw any tantra C -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Francis Wood Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 12:17 PM To: julia@nspipes.co.uk Cc: Dartmouth nsp list N.P.S. site Subject: [NSP] Re: Deaf/dead Hello Julia

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2011-06-21 Thread Gibbons, John
When I was in a choir, a composer of a piece we'd commissioned explained legato, poco staccato and staccato respectively as pah, pom, and pop. For NSP, pah is a no-no, as notes need definite ends. So the spectrum we work between is somewhere between pom and pop. Occasional ventures into

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2011-06-21 Thread Gibbons, John
Most of the argument here seems to be about the word staccato than any great stylistic difference. -Original Message- From: Julia Say [mailto:julia@nspipes.co.uk] Sent: 21 June 2011 10:05 To: barr...@nspipes.co.uk; Gibbons, John Cc: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: Re: [NSP] Re:

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2011-06-21 Thread Gibbons, John
In Jacky Layton, and other 4/4's going back to Dixon, playing the semis slightly inegales is a good idea. But still with gaps between! John -Original Message- From: christopher.bi...@ec.europa.eu [mailto:christopher.bi...@ec.europa.eu] Sent: 21 June 2011 10:39 To:

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2011-06-21 Thread Tim Rolls
Popapoms would be the Australian version then? Tim On 21 Jun 2011, at 14:44, Dave S wrote: Colin, that would be popapoms then, er, hope there are no cheerleaders affronted Dave On 6/21/2011 3:31 PM, cwhill wrote: So popadoms then :) Colin Hill On 21/06/2011 12:18, Gibbons,

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2011-06-21 Thread Francis Wood
On 21 Jun 2011, at 14:54, Tim Rolls wrote: Popapoms would be the Australian version then? Well, which country is this? : Poppadom, Poppadom Pom Pom Pom . . . Francis To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

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