Re: [NTG-context] Indenting next multi paragraph description

[Alex Leray via ntg-context]

Actually it works if I comment out "\setupindenting" (or with a manual 
`\indentation`).


But then, no indentation on the rest of the document :(

Le 23/02/23 à 22:27, Alex Leray via ntg-context a écrit :

\setupindenting[yes, 3em, next]


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[NTG-context] Indenting next multi paragraph description

[Alex Leray via ntg-context]

Hi,

I'd like to indent next paragraphs in multi paragraph descriptions.

For some reason, I can't figure out why this isn't working. Any idea?

Here is my code:

###

\setupwhitespace[none]
\setupindenting[yes, 3em, next]

\definedescription[question][
before={\vskip-\parskip},
after={\vskip-\parskip},
width=3em,
hang=3,
]
\definedescription[answer][
before={\vskip-\parskip},
after={\vskip-\parskip},
width=3em,
hang=3,
indenting={yes, 3em, next}, % Does nothing
indentnext=yes, % Does nothing too
]

\starttext
\startcolumns[n=2]
\startquestion{(T.C.)}
\input ward
\stopquestion

\startanswer{(N.M.)}
\input ward

\input ward
\stopanswer
\stopcolumns
\stoptext

###

Thanks!
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[NTG-context] Indenting on all TEXpages

[Jacob Kauffmann]

Dear list,

is it possible to enable indenting globally for TEXpage environments?
Or is it recommended to create a separate environment for that purpose?
Please find a MWE below. It seems to me that \setupindenting must be set 
explicitly for every page that needs indenting.

Best,
Jacob Kauffmann

\setupTEXpage[width=10cm]
\setupindenting[yes,medium]

% not working
\starttext
\startTEXpage
\input knuth
\stopTEXpage

% working
\startTEXpage
\setupindenting[yes,medium]
\input knuth
\stopTEXpage
\stoptext
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Re: [NTG-context] Indenting on all TEXpages

[Hans Hagen]

On 2/28/2021 4:13 PM, Jacob Kauffmann wrote:

Dear list,

is it possible to enable indenting globally for TEXpage environments?
Or is it recommended to create a separate environment for that purpose?
Please find a MWE below. It seems to me that \setupindenting must be set 
explicitly for every page that needs indenting.

Best,
Jacob Kauffmann

\setupTEXpage[width=10cm]
\setupindenting[yes,medium]

% not working
\starttext
\startTEXpage
\input knuth
\stopTEXpage

% working


^^^ not working because you introduce a space:


\startTEXpage
\setupindenting[yes,medium]% add a percent here 
\input knuth

\stopTEXpage
\stoptext

There's is often a way:

\setupTEXpage[width=10cm,setups=whatever]

\startsetups whatever
\setupindenting[yes,medium]
\stopsetups

\starttext

\startTEXpage
\input knuth
\stopTEXpage

\startTEXpage
\input knuth
\stopTEXpage

\stoptext



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Re: [NTG-context] Indenting entries in the table of contents?

[Richard Mahoney | Indica et Buddhica]

This is what I'm using at the moment:

% Tables of Contents

\setuplist[part][textstyle={\sl},pagestyle={\tf}]

\setuplist[chapter][textstyle={\sl},pagestyle={\tf},label=yes,width=fi
t,stopper=~~]

\setuplist[section][width=42pt,margin=10pt,style={\tf}]

\setuplist[subsection][width=42pt,margin=18pt,style={\tf}]

\setupcombinedlist[content][alternative=c,aligntitle=no,width=2.5em,li
st={part,chapter,section,subsection}]



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> Am 2020-03-21 um 03:10 schrieb T. Kurt Bond :
> 
> I'd like subsection entries in the table of contents to be indented
> slightly, and subsubsection entries to be indented slightly more,
> and subsubsubsection entries to be indented some more.
> 
> Is there any way to do this?

It’s not obvious in https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Table_of_Contents
but you need
\setuplist[subsection][margin=2cm]  etc.

see
https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Command/setuplist



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Re: [NTG-context] Indenting entries in the table of contents?

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

> Am 2020-03-21 um 03:10 schrieb T. Kurt Bond :
> 
> I'd like subsection entries in the table of contents to be indented slightly, 
> and subsubsection entries to be indented slightly more, and subsubsubsection 
> entries to be indented some more.
> 
> Is there any way to do this?

It’s not obvious in https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Table_of_Contents
but you need
\setuplist[subsection][margin=2cm]  etc.

see
https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Command/setuplist



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[NTG-context] Indenting entries in the table of contents?

[T. Kurt Bond]

I'd like subsection entries in the table of contents to be indented
slightly, and subsubsection entries to be indented slightly more, and
subsubsubsection entries to be indented some more.

Is there any way to do this?

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Re: [NTG-context] Indenting lists

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

> Am 2020-02-29 um 21:39 schrieb Yves Cloutier :
> 
> How does one indent lists to have the same indentation as paragraphs (ex: 
> \small).
> 
> It should apply to all lists, and so I assume I would need to use
> 
> \setup

Have a look at 
https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Enumerations#Horizontal_spacing
https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Command/setupitemgroup


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[NTG-context] Indenting lists

[Yves Cloutier]

Hello,

How does one indent lists to have the same indentation as paragraphs (ex:
\small).

It should apply to all lists, and so I assume I would need to use

\setup
>

The documentation is a bit thin on how I would do this. Any pointers would
be appreciated!

Regards,

yc
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Re: [NTG-context] Indenting number in TOC, particular numbering scheme, and other questions

[Daniel Haid]

\setupreferenceformat [chapter] [default] [prefixsegments=...]
\setupreferenceformat [section] [default] [prefixsegments=...]


That seems to define the segmets when refering to a chapter or section,
but I need a dynamic way:

I want to go back to the last common ancestor,for example to refer to 
A.IV.3:


* from inside A.IV.4 it should just print 3,
* from inside A.V.1 it should print IV.3, and
* from inside B.I.1 it should print the full A.IV.3.
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Re: [NTG-context] Indenting number in TOC, particular numbering scheme, and other questions

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Daniel Haid schrieb am 04.12.2019 um 18:55:

On 12/3/19 4:24 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:


which version


I just found out that it is too old (2016.05.17 19:20), I will update.

With the one from https://live.contextgarden.net/ it works!

Thank you. With the help of your answers I have been able to implement 
everything except for the references.


To clarify what I want to achieve I have written a smaller example that
gives the correct output (manually). I use

\setupreferencestructureprefix[default][prefixsegments=x:y]\in[foo].

everywhere to get the proper levels x:y.


\setupreferenceformat [chapter] [default] [prefixsegments=...]
\setupreferenceformat [section] [default] [prefixsegments=...]
...

Wolfgang

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Re: [NTG-context] Indenting number in TOC, particular numbering scheme, and other questions

[Daniel Haid]

On 12/3/19 4:24 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:


which version


I just found out that it is too old (2016.05.17 19:20), I will update.

With the one from https://live.contextgarden.net/ it works!

Thank you. With the help of your answers I have been able to implement 
everything except for the references.


To clarify what I want to achieve I have written a smaller example that
gives the correct output (manually). I use

\setupreferencestructureprefix[default][prefixsegments=x:y]\in[foo].

everywhere to get the proper levels x:y.

1) Is there a quicker way to get this instead of writing 
setupreferencestructureprefix everywhere? Something like \in[x:y][foo].


2) Can this somehow be automated? Something like \in[auto][foo] should
automatically choose y as the level of foo and x as the first level 
where foo and the current section differ.


Best wishes,

D.

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\usemodule[subsub]

\usetypescript[termes]
\setupbodyfont[termes,12pt]

\def\arconv#1{\alphabeticnumerals{#1})}
\defineconversion[ar][\arconv]

\def\aarconv#1{\alphabeticnumerals{#1}\alphabeticnumerals{#1})}
\defineconversion[aar][\aarconv]

\definestructureconversionset[myconvset][,A,I,n,ar,aar]

\setupheads[part,
  chapter,
  section,
  subsection,
  subsubsection,
  subsubsubsection][sectionconversionset=myconvset]

\setuphead[chapter][sectionsegments=chapter,style=bold,
  after={\blank[small]},before={\blank[big]},sectionstopper=.]
\setuphead[section][sectionsegments=section,style=bold,
  after={\blank[small]},before={\blank[big]},sectionstopper=.]
\setuphead[subsection][sectionsegments=subsection]
\setuphead[subsubsection][sectionsegments=subsubsection,sectionstopper=]
\setuphead[subsubsubsection][sectionsegments=subsubsubsection]

\starttext
\startchapter[title={Chapter}]
  \startsection[title={Section}]
\startsubsection[title={Subsection}]
  \startsubsubsection[title={First Subsubsection}]
\startsubsubsubsection[title={Foo}, reference=foo]
\stopsubsubsubsection
\startsubsubsection[title={Second subsubsection}]
  \startsubsubsubsection[title={Bar}, reference=bar]
  \stopsubsubsubsection
\stopsubsubsection
\startsubsubsubsection[title={Baz}, reference=bar]
  Foo is in the current subsection, but a different
  subsubsection, so we refer to it as
\setupreferencestructureprefix[default][prefixsegments=5:6]\in[foo].

  Bar is in the current subsubsection, so we refer to it as
\setupreferencestructureprefix[default][prefixsegments=6:6]\in[bar].

  Of course, we can always also have a full reference like
\setupreferencestructureprefix[default][prefixsegments=2:6]\in[bar].
\stopsubsubsubsection
  \stopsubsection
\stopsection
  \stopchapter
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[NTG-context] Indenting number in TOC, particular numbering scheme, and other questions

[Daniel Haid]

Hello everyone,

I just started to experiment with ConTeXt. I have a few issues with my 
first document structure. I need a very particular numbering scheme, 
which I have tried to implement. I have appended the document below.


1. Why is there no indenting in the TOC starting with (what I call) 
level 7? This could have to something with the fact that the levels 
starting from 7 are defined in the subsub module?


2. Why are the numbers in the headings inside the main text not printed 
for levels 8 and 9? Interestingly, they *are* printed for level 7, which 
is defined in the subsub module. I have looked into m-subsub.mkiv and 
saw no difference at all between the different levels defined there.


3. Is it possible to indent not only the section name but also the 
number in the TOC? Moreover, I would like to have a dot after the first 
three levels, but not the other ones (in the TOC and in the text), like 
this:


A. First Level .. 1
I. Second Level . 2
1. Third Level .. 3
a) Fourth Level . 4
...

4. I use the conversions A, I, 1 (without dot), and then defined my own 
ones "a)", "aa)", etc. *with* the ")". I think this is correct, since 
the way a section has to be referenced in the text is like this (for 
example):


B.IV.5.c).aa).(4)

Is there a way to get this? Moreover, is it possible to have a relative 
referencing command, for example, if section B.IV.5.d) is quoted from 
inside section B.IV.6.f) the command should only print 5.d) since the 
B.IV is implied.


5. How can I get rid of the additional vertical space before the second 
entry "B. Another first level" (chapter)?


6. I wanted to define aliases for the \subsub...subsection commands, 
since they are difficult to read, and I used \def as you can see below. 
Is this the right way to do it or would you recommend something else?


Any help would be greatly appreciated.

D.

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\usemodule[subsub]

\usetypescript[termes]
\setupbodyfont[termes,12pt]

\def\arconv#1{\alphabeticnumerals{#1})}
\defineconversion[ar][\arconv]

\def\aarconv#1{\alphabeticnumerals{#1}\alphabeticnumerals{#1})}
\defineconversion[aar][\aarconv]

\def\lnrconv#1{(\numbers{#1})}
\defineconversion[lnr][\lnrconv]

\def\larconv#1{(\alphabeticnumerals{#1})}
\defineconversion[lar][\larconv]

\def\laarconv#1{(\alphabeticnumerals{#1}\alphabeticnumerals{#1})}
\defineconversion[laar][\laarconv]

\def\alpharconv#1{\greeknumerals{#1})}
\defineconversion[alphar][\alpharconv]

\definestructureconversionset[myconvset][,A,I,n,ar,aar,lnr,lar,laar,alphar]

\setupheads[part,
  chapter,
  section,
  subsection,
  subsubsection,
  subsubsubsection,
  subsubsubsubsection,
  subsubsubsubsubsection,
  subsubsubsubsubsubsection,
  subsubsubsubsubsubsubsection][sectionconversionset=myconvset]

\setuphead[chapter][sectionsegments=chapter]
\setuphead[section][sectionsegments=section]
\setuphead[subsection][sectionsegments=subsection]
\setuphead[subsubsection][sectionsegments=subsubsection]
\setuphead[subsubsubsection][sectionsegments=subsubsubsection]
\setuphead[subsubsubsubsection][sectionsegments=subsubsubsubsection]
\setuphead[subsubsubsubsubsection][sectionsegments=subsubsubsubsubsection]
\setuphead[subsubsubsubsubsubsection][sectionsegments=subsubsubsubsubsubsection]
\setuphead[subsubsubsubsubsubsubsection][sectionsegments=subsubsubsubsubsubsubsection]

\def\startA{\startchapter}
\def\stopA{\stopchapter}
\def\startI{\startsection}
\def\stopI{\stopsection}
\def\startS{\startsubsection}
\def\stopS{\stopsubsection}
\def\startSS{\startsubsubsection}
\def\stopSS{\stopsubsubsection}
\def\startSSS{\startsubsubsubsection}
\def\stopSSS{\stopsubsubsubsection}
\def\startX{\startsubsubsubsubsection}
\def\stopX{\stopsubsubsubsubsection}
\def\startXX{\startsubsubsubsubsubsection}
\def\stopXX{\stopsubsubsubsubsubsection}
\def\startXXX{\startsubsubsubsubsubsubsection}
\def\stopXXX{\stopsubsubsubsubsubsubsection}
\def\start{\startsubsubsubsubsubsubsubsection}
\def\stop{\stopsubsubsubsubsubsubsubsection}

\setupcombinedlist[content][list={chapter,
section,
subsection,
subsubsection,
subsubsubsection,
subsubsubsubsection,
subsubsubsubsubsection,
subsubsubsubsubsubsection,
subsubsubsubsubsubsubsection},alternative=c]

\starttext

\placecontent

\startA[title={First level}]
  \startI[title={Second level}]
\startS[title={Third level}]
  \startSS[title={Fourth level}]
\startSSS[title={Fifth level}]
  \startX[title={Sixth level}]
\startXX[title={Seventh level}]
  \startXXX[title={Eighth level}]
\start[title={Ninth level}]
\stop
  \stopXXX
\stopXX
  \stopX
\stopSSS
  \stopSS
\stopS
  \stopI
\stopA

\startA[title={Another first level}]
\stopA

\stoptext
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Re: [NTG-context] indenting after placefigure

[Pablo Rodriguez]

On 12/6/18 9:38 PM, Hans van der Meer wrote:
> Thanks, indeed this does the trick.
> But I wonder:  Has \placefigure then a default [indentnext=no] instead
> of abstaining from meddling with the indent setting?

This might be similar to indenting after headings. To get the paragraphs
indented after them, \setupheads[indentnext] is required.

The "indenting" key inherits its value from \setupindenting, but
"indentnext" doesn’t.

I hope it helps,

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Re: [NTG-context] indenting after placefigure

[Hans van der Meer]

Thanks, indeed this does the trick.
But I wonder:  Has \placefigure then a default [indentnext=no] instead of 
abstaining from meddling with the indent setting?

dr. Hans van der Meer


> On 6 Dec 2018, at 21:25, Pablo Rodriguez  wrote:
> 
> On 12/6/18 6:10 PM, Hans van der Meer wrote:
>> I used \setupindenting[always,medium]. This works everywhere except
>> after a figure placed with \placefigure. Why does placing the figure
>> suppress the indent after it? And how can this behaviour be changed?
> 
> I wonder whehter \setupfloat[figure][indentnext=yes] would work here.
> 
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Re: [NTG-context] indenting after placefigure

[Pablo Rodriguez]

On 12/6/18 6:10 PM, Hans van der Meer wrote:
> I used \setupindenting[always,medium]. This works everywhere except
> after a figure placed with \placefigure. Why does placing the figure
> suppress the indent after it? And how can this behaviour be changed?

I wonder whehter \setupfloat[figure][indentnext=yes] would work here.

I hope it may help,

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[NTG-context] indenting after placefigure

[Hans van der Meer]

I used \setupindenting[always,medium]. This works everywhere except after a 
figure placed with \placefigure. Why does placing the figure suppress the 
indent after it? And how can this behaviour be changed?

dr. Hans van der Meer


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Re: [NTG-context] indenting in framedtext

[Mikael P. Sundqvist]

On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 2:40 PM, Hans Hagen  wrote:
> On 5/10/2017 1:39 PM, Mikael P. Sundqvist wrote:
>>
>> Dear list,
>>
>> I'm trying to have indentation inside a framed text, but I do not
>> succeed. Test file below, and result after compiling with latest
>> standalone. Is this the intended behavior?
>>
>> Best regards, Mikael
>>
>> \setupindenting[yes,medium]
>>
>> \defineframedtext
>> [MyFrame]
>> [
>> frame=on,
>> width=broad,
>> indenting=yes,
>> ]
>>
>>
>> \starttext
>>
>> Indenting works here: \input knuth
>>
>> \startMyFrame
>> But indenting does not work here: \input knuth
>> \stopMyFrame
>>
>> \stoptext
>
>
> \defineframedtext
> [MyFrame]
> [frame=on,
>  width=broad,
>  indenting={yes,medium},
> ]
>
>
>
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Ah, many thanks!

I don't know why I thought it would suffice with "yes" at this point
when it does not in the \setupindenting command.

I think I have had "indenting=yes" in my documents for years without
really bothering to ask why it has not worked...

Thanks again.

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Re: [NTG-context] indenting in framedtext

[Hans Hagen]

On 5/10/2017 1:39 PM, Mikael P. Sundqvist wrote:

Dear list,

I'm trying to have indentation inside a framed text, but I do not
succeed. Test file below, and result after compiling with latest
standalone. Is this the intended behavior?

Best regards, Mikael

\setupindenting[yes,medium]

\defineframedtext
[MyFrame]
[
frame=on,
width=broad,
indenting=yes,
]


\starttext

Indenting works here: \input knuth

\startMyFrame
But indenting does not work here: \input knuth
\stopMyFrame

\stoptext


\defineframedtext
[MyFrame]
[frame=on,
 width=broad,
 indenting={yes,medium},
]



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[NTG-context] indenting in framedtext

[Mikael P. Sundqvist]

Dear list,

I'm trying to have indentation inside a framed text, but I do not
succeed. Test file below, and result after compiling with latest
standalone. Is this the intended behavior?

Best regards, Mikael

\setupindenting[yes,medium]

\defineframedtext
[MyFrame]
[
frame=on,
width=broad,
indenting=yes,
]


\starttext

Indenting works here: \input knuth

\startMyFrame
But indenting does not work here: \input knuth
\stopMyFrame

\stoptext


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[NTG-context] indenting and whitespace in framedtext

[Meer, Hans van der]

Quoting from the command reference:

\startframedtext inherits \setupframedtext
and
\setupframedtext ... indenting = inherits \setupindenting

I interprete this as \setupindenting is carried to the inside of the framedtext 
but this thus not happen. Instead one explicitely sets it on the call of 
\startframedtext.
Why doesn't \startframedtext inherit the value from the document? This is a 
problem because I need this setup for framedtexts called in an inner module.

A second, even more serious problem for me is that the framedtext is ignoring 
the \setupwhitespace.

For both problems see the example below.

Hans van der Meer


\setupindenting[yes,first,medium]
\setupwhitespace[big]
\starttext
\ConTeXt-version = \contextversion

Text for testing indenting of praragraphs. A lot of nonsense just to fill the 
paragraph so that more than one line is typeset. A lot of nonsense just to fill 
the paragraph so that more than one line is typeset.

Text for testing indenting of praragraphs. A lot of nonsense just to fill the 
paragraph so that more than one line is typeset. A lot of nonsense just to fill 
the paragraph so that more than one line is typeset.

\tex{startframedtext[width=\textwidth]}\crlf
\startframedtext[width=\textwidth]
Text for testing indenting of praragraphs. A lot of nonsense just to fill the 
paragraph so that more than one line is typeset. A lot of nonsense just to fill 
the paragraph so that more than one line is typeset.

Text for testing indenting of praragraphs. A lot of nonsense just to fill the 
paragraph so that more than one line is typeset. A lot of nonsense just to fill 
the paragraph so that more than one line is typeset.
\stopframedtext

\tex{startframedtext[width=\textwidth,indenting={yes,first,medium}]}\crlf
\startframedtext[width=\textwidth,indenting={yes,first,medium}]
\setupwhitespace[big]\tex{setupwhitespace[big]}\par
Text for testing indenting of praragraphs. A lot of nonsense just to fill the 
paragraph so that more than one line is typeset. A lot of nonsense just to fill 
the paragraph so that more than one line is typeset.

Text for testing indenting of praragraphs. A lot of nonsense just to fill the 
paragraph so that more than one line is typeset. A lot of nonsense just to fill 
the paragraph so that more than one line is typeset.
\stopframedtext
\stoptext








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Re: [NTG-context] indenting

[Meer, Hans van der]

Indeed!
But it is a bit surprising that the default space for turning on indenting is 
identing by zero.

Hans van der Meer

On 9 Nov 2016, at 11:38, Mikael P. Sundqvist 
> wrote:

On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 11:12 AM, Meer, Hans van der 
> wrote:
I do not understand why this is not indented by the latest ConTeXt beta.
Neither do options [yes] or [first] on \setupindenting.

Hans van der Meer


\setupindenting[always]
\setupwhitespace[big]
\starttext
\ConTeXt version = \contextversion

Text fot testing indenting of praragraphs. A lot of nonsense just to fill
the paragraph so that more than one line is typeset. A lot of nonsense just
to fill the paragraph so that more than one line is typeset. A lot of
nonsense just to fill the paragraph so that more than one line is typeset.

Text fot testing indenting of praragraphs. A lot of nonsense just to fill
the paragraph so that more than one line is typeset. A lot of nonsense just
to fill the paragraph so that more than one line is typeset. A lot of
nonsense just to fill the paragraph so that more than one line is typeset.

Text fot testing indenting of praragraphs. A lot of nonsense just to fill
the paragraph so that more than one line is typeset. A lot of nonsense just
to fill the paragraph so that more than one line is typeset. A lot of
nonsense just to fill the paragraph so that more than one line is typeset.
\stoptext

I think you have to give the amount of indenting as well. Try for example

\setupindenting[always,medium]

/Mikael
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Re: [NTG-context] indenting

[Mikael P. Sundqvist]

On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 11:12 AM, Meer, Hans van der  wrote:
> I do not understand why this is not indented by the latest ConTeXt beta.
> Neither do options [yes] or [first] on \setupindenting.
>
> Hans van der Meer
>
>
> \setupindenting[always]
> \setupwhitespace[big]
> \starttext
> \ConTeXt version = \contextversion
>
> Text fot testing indenting of praragraphs. A lot of nonsense just to fill
> the paragraph so that more than one line is typeset. A lot of nonsense just
> to fill the paragraph so that more than one line is typeset. A lot of
> nonsense just to fill the paragraph so that more than one line is typeset.
>
> Text fot testing indenting of praragraphs. A lot of nonsense just to fill
> the paragraph so that more than one line is typeset. A lot of nonsense just
> to fill the paragraph so that more than one line is typeset. A lot of
> nonsense just to fill the paragraph so that more than one line is typeset.
>
> Text fot testing indenting of praragraphs. A lot of nonsense just to fill
> the paragraph so that more than one line is typeset. A lot of nonsense just
> to fill the paragraph so that more than one line is typeset. A lot of
> nonsense just to fill the paragraph so that more than one line is typeset.
> \stoptext

I think you have to give the amount of indenting as well. Try for example

\setupindenting[always,medium]

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[NTG-context] indenting

[Meer, Hans van der]

I do not understand why this is not indented by the latest ConTeXt beta. 
Neither do options [yes] or [first] on \setupindenting.

Hans van der Meer


\setupindenting[always]
\setupwhitespace[big]
\starttext
\ConTeXt version = \contextversion

Text fot testing indenting of praragraphs. A lot of nonsense just to fill the 
paragraph so that more than one line is typeset. A lot of nonsense just to fill 
the paragraph so that more than one line is typeset. A lot of nonsense just to 
fill the paragraph so that more than one line is typeset.

Text fot testing indenting of praragraphs. A lot of nonsense just to fill the 
paragraph so that more than one line is typeset. A lot of nonsense just to fill 
the paragraph so that more than one line is typeset. A lot of nonsense just to 
fill the paragraph so that more than one line is typeset.

Text fot testing indenting of praragraphs. A lot of nonsense just to fill the 
paragraph so that more than one line is typeset. A lot of nonsense just to fill 
the paragraph so that more than one line is typeset. A lot of nonsense just to 
fill the paragraph so that more than one line is typeset.
\stoptext






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[NTG-context] indenting in enumerations in mkiv

[Sytse]

Within the enumeration environment I want the first paragraph not to be 
indented, whereas the second and following paragraphs should start with 
an indent.


The example below works fine in mkii, but I would like to use mkiv in 
which the first line is also indented.


Sytse
--
\defineenumeration[example][text=Example,indenting={yes,medium,next}]
\starttext
contextversion: 2013.05.28 00:36 


command: context proef.tex

\startexample 
This first line is indented, but shouldn't. Runs ok under mkii.


This second line should be indented and is ok under both mkii and mkiv.
\stopexample

\stoptext
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Re: [NTG-context] indenting in enumerations in mkiv

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Am 01.07.2014 um 15:22 schrieb Sytse sytse.knyps...@home.nl:

 Within the enumeration environment I want the first paragraph not to be 
 indented, whereas the second and following paragraphs should start with an 
 indent.
 
 The example below works fine in mkii, but I would like to use mkiv in which 
 the first line is also indented.
 
 Sytse
 --
 \defineenumeration[example][text=Example,indenting={yes,medium,next}]
 \starttext
 contextversion: 2013.05.28 00:36 
 
 command: context proef.tex
 
 \startexample 
 This first line is indented, but shouldn't. Runs ok under mkii.
 
 This second line should be indented and is ok under both mkii and mkiv.
 \stopexample
 
 \stoptext

This is a bug in the enumeration code where the indent setup is used before the 
title/head is placed
which is then handled as first paragraph.

To fix this the \indenting command has to be moved after the \directsetup line 
in strc-con.mkvi:

\unexpanded\setvalue{\??constructionstarthandler\v!construction}% this will be 
redone (reorganized) .. too much boxing
  {\dostarttagged\t!construction\currentconstruction
   ...
   \edef\p_strc_constructions_indenting{\constructionparameter\c!indenting}%
   \ifx\p_strc_constructions_indenting\empty \else
 \indenting[\p_strc_constructions_indenting]% \use...
   \fi
   ...
   \directsetup\p_strc_constructions_renderingsetup\relax
   %
   \dostoptagged % tag
   \dostarttagged\t!constructioncontent\empty
   \ignorespaces} % args not needed

Wolfgang

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Re: [NTG-context] Indenting after floating image

[Jan Tosovsky]

On 2014-02-19 Thangalin wrote:

 A work-around:
 
 \setupexternalfigures[location=default]
 \setupindenting[yes,medium]
 
 \define[1]\PlaceFigure{
   \startplacefigure[number=no, location={page}, title={}]
   \externalfigure[#1]
   \stopplacefigure
   \\ \vskip-1em
 }
 
 \starttext
 \input{ward}
 \PlaceFigure{cow}
 \input{ward}
 \stoptext
 
 The wiki states:
 
 \setupindenting does not take care of indenting after environments,
 such as ConTeXt's itemizes, enumerations, definitions, formulas and
 floats.
 
 The work-around forces the new line using \\, then immediately skips
 back a line.

Thanks for sharing your approach. In meantime I've found an alternative
solution:

... 
\stopplacefigure
\indentation % this command forces the indentation of the next first
paragraph

Jan

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Re: [NTG-context] Indenting after floating image

[Thangalin]

Ah!

I was going to suggest that, but thought you wanted a solution that
didn't involve manual adjustments... I also thought I tried adding
\indentation to the PlaceFigure macro, but it didn't work
(probably because of it being embedded inside another set of braces).
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Re: [NTG-context] Indenting after floating image

[Thangalin]

Hi Jan,

A work-around:

\setupexternalfigures[location=default]
\setupindenting[yes,medium]

\define[1]\PlaceFigure{
  \startplacefigure[number=no, location={page}, title={}]
  \externalfigure[#1]
  \stopplacefigure
  \\ \vskip-1em
}

\starttext
\input{ward}
\PlaceFigure{cow}
\input{ward}
\stoptext

The wiki states:

\setupindenting does not take care of indenting after environments,
such as ConTeXt's itemizes, enumerations, definitions, formulas and
floats.

The work-around forces the new line using \\, then immediately skips
back a line.
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[NTG-context] Indenting after floating image

[Jan Tosovsky]

Dear All,

when an indenting is set, it is applied in a smart way and sometimes
suppressed, e.g after images.

But when the image is floating and forced to be displayed on a separate
page, I would expect the indenting of the following paragraph preserved.
Currently it doesn't, see this example:

\setupexternalfigures[location=default]
\setupindenting[medium, yes]

\starttext
\input{ward}
\startplacefigure[number=no, location={page}, title={}]
\externalfigure[cow]
\stopplacefigure
\input{ward}
\stoptext

Is there a global switch for it or am I to force the indenting in these
cases manually?

Thanks, Jan

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Re: [NTG-context] Indenting in \setuplines

[Hans Hagen]

On 6/6/2013 12:36 AM, Marcin Borkowski wrote:


Sorry to say that, but neither seems to work...


it is hard to say what goes wrong if you only show the error message and 
no real code


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Re: [NTG-context] Indenting in \setuplines

[Marcin Borkowski]

Dnia 2013-06-06, o godz. 09:49:27
Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl napisał(a):

 On 6/6/2013 12:36 AM, Marcin Borkowski wrote:
 
  Sorry to say that, but neither seems to work...
 
 it is hard to say what goes wrong if you only show the error message
 and no real code

Sorry for that, my fault.

Now comes the fun part: I *copied* my code from my version of
spac-hor.mkiv to the document, and it started to work then!  Strange.
I attach a MWE.  Hans, is it possible to add something like that to
spac-hor.mkiv?  (This code is not very nice, there's some duplication,
but it's simple and works;).)

 cut here 
\unprotect
\installindentingmethod{oddpairs}{\c_spac_indentation_toggle_state\plusthree}
\installindentingmethod{evenpairs}{\c_spac_indentation_toggle_state\plusfour}

\newcount \c_spac_par_modulo_four

\def\spac_indentation_evenpairs_toggle
  {%
   \advance \c_spac_par_modulo_four \plusone
   \ifnum \c_spac_par_modulo_four=4
 \c_spac_par_modulo_four=0
   \fi
   \ifcase \c_spac_par_modulo_four
   \global\indentationtrue
 \or
   \global\indentationfalse  \spac_indentation_remove
 \or
   \global\indentationfalse  \spac_indentation_remove
 \or
   \global\indentationtrue
   \fi 
  }

\def\spac_indentation_oddpairs_toggle
  {%
   \advance \c_spac_par_modulo_four \plusone
   \ifnum \c_spac_par_modulo_four=4
 \c_spac_par_modulo_four=0
   \fi
   \ifcase \c_spac_par_modulo_four
   \global\indentationfalse  \spac_indentation_remove
 \or
   \global\indentationtrue
 \or
   \global\indentationtrue
 \or
   \global\indentationfalse  \spac_indentation_remove
   \fi 
  }

\def\spac_indentation_check_toggle
  {\ifcase\c_spac_indentation_toggle_state
 % nothing
   \or% odd
 \spac_indentation_no_toggle
   \or% even
 \spac_indentation_do_toggle
   \or% oddpairs
 \global\let\checkindentation\spac_indentation_oddpairs_toggle
   \or% evenpairs
 \global\let\checkindentation\spac_indentation_evenpairs_toggle
   \fi}

\protect

\setupindenting[yes,1em]
\starttext

\startlines[indenting=evenpairs]
Lorem ipsum
dolor sit amet,
consectetuer adipiscing elit.
Ut purus elit,
vestibulum ut,
placerat ac, adipiscing vitae, felis.
Curabitur dictum gravida mauris.
Nam arcu libero, nonummy eget,
consectetuer id, vulputate a, magna.
Donec vehicula augue eu neque.
\stoplines

\stoptext
 cut here 

 Hans

Best,

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Re: [NTG-context] Indenting in \setuplines

[Marcin Borkowski]

Dnia 2013-06-03, o godz. 15:20:45
Marcin Borkowski mb...@wmi.amu.edu.pl napisał(a):

 Hi,
 
 I'd like to have my \startlines ... \stoplines indented in the
 following way: the first two lines unindented, the next two indented,
 and so on.  Basically, this means that I'd like the pattern to be
 based on (mod 4) arithmetic and not (mod 2).  Is it possible?  If
 yes, how?

OK, so I thought I can handle this... but not:(.

I found the relevant definitions in spac-hor.mkiv and tried to add a
line saying

\installindentingmethod
\v!evenpairs{\c_spac_indentation_toggle_state\plusfour}

But after context --make I got an Undefined control sequence.  Here's
an excerpt from the log information:

! Undefined control sequence.

system   tex  error on line 108 in
file 
/home/marcin/context-2013-05-22-19-28/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/spac-hor.mkiv:
Undefined control sequence ...

 98 
 99 \installindentingmethod \v!yes
 {\parindent\d_spac_indentation_par\relax} % not \indent ! 100
 \installindentingmethod
 \v!always{\parindent\d_spac_indentation_par\relax} % not \indent ! 101
 102 \installindentingmethod \v!never
 {\parindent\zeropoint\relax % no \indent !
 103
 \c_spac_indentation_toggle_state\zerocount} 104 105
 \installindentingmethod \v!odd
 {\c_spac_indentation_toggle_state\plusone} 106
 \installindentingmethod \v!even
 {\c_spac_indentation_toggle_state\plustwo} 107
 %\installindentingmethod \v!oddpairs
 {\c_spac_indentation_toggle_state\plusthree} 108 
 \installindentingmethod \v!evenpairs
 {\c_spac_indentation_toggle_state\plusfour} 109 110
 \installindentingmethod \v!normal{\ifx\normalindentation\empty\else
 111
 \let\v_spac_indentation_current\normalindentation
 112 \simplesetupindenting
 113   \fi} 114 115
 \installindentingmethod \v!reset
 {\settrue\c_spac_indentation_indent_first
 116   \parindent\zeropoint
 117
 \c_spac_indentation_toggle_state\zerocount} 118 

argument \??indentingmethod \v!evenpairs 

\setvalue #1?-\expandafter \def \csname #1
  \endcsname 
\installindentingmethod ...{\??indentingmethod #1}
  {#2}
l.108 ...{\c_spac_indentation_toggle_state\plusfour}
  
What am I doing wrong?

 TIA,

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Re: [NTG-context] Indenting in \setuplines

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On 6/5/2013 11:06 PM, Marcin Borkowski wrote:

Dnia 2013-06-03, o godz. 15:20:45
Marcin Borkowski mb...@wmi.amu.edu.pl napisał(a):


Hi,

I'd like to have my \startlines ... \stoplines indented in the
following way: the first two lines unindented, the next two indented,
and so on.  Basically, this means that I'd like the pattern to be
based on (mod 4) arithmetic and not (mod 2).  Is it possible?  If
yes, how?


OK, so I thought I can handle this... but not:(.

I found the relevant definitions in spac-hor.mkiv and tried to add a
line saying

\installindentingmethod
\v!evenpairs{\c_spac_indentation_toggle_state\plusfour}


% there is no \v!evenpairs

\unprotect

% english interface only:

\installindentingmethod
  {evenpairs}
  {\c_spac_indentation_toggle_state\plusfour}

% or maybe:

\installindentingmethod
  \v!quadruple
  {\c_spac_indentation_toggle_state\plusfour}

% as \v!quadruple is a known keyword

\protect

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Re: [NTG-context] Indenting in \setuplines

[Marcin Borkowski]

Dnia 2013-06-06, o godz. 00:22:04
Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl napisał(a):

 On 6/5/2013 11:06 PM, Marcin Borkowski wrote:
  Dnia 2013-06-03, o godz. 15:20:45
  Marcin Borkowski mb...@wmi.amu.edu.pl napisał(a):
 
  Hi,
 
  I'd like to have my \startlines ... \stoplines indented in the
  following way: the first two lines unindented, the next two
  indented, and so on.  Basically, this means that I'd like the
  pattern to be based on (mod 4) arithmetic and not (mod 2).  Is it
  possible?  If yes, how?
 
  OK, so I thought I can handle this... but not:(.
 
  I found the relevant definitions in spac-hor.mkiv and tried to add a
  line saying
 
  \installindentingmethod
  \v!evenpairs{\c_spac_indentation_toggle_state\plusfour}
 
 % there is no \v!evenpairs
 
 \unprotect
 
 % english interface only:
 
 \installindentingmethod
{evenpairs}
{\c_spac_indentation_toggle_state\plusfour}
 
 % or maybe:
 
 \installindentingmethod
\v!quadruple
{\c_spac_indentation_toggle_state\plusfour}
 
 % as \v!quadruple is a known keyword
 
 \protect

Sorry to say that, but neither seems to work...

! Missing number, treated as zero.

to be read again 
   q
\v_spac_indentation_current -q
   uadruple
\4unknown #1#2#3#4#5-#2=#1
\relax 
\spac_indentation_apply_step_one ...on_setup_size 
  \fi 
\next1 #1,-\spac_indentation_apply_step_one {#1}
 \syst_helpers_do_process_co...
\syst_helpers_do_process_comma_list ...rgument #1,
  ]\relax \global
\advance \... ...
l.36 \startlines[indenting=quadruple]
 
? 

What do I do?  (And what do I do if I really want evenpairs,
especially that I'd like to have oddpairs, too, so quadruple is not
really a good keyword for me?)

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[NTG-context] Indenting in \setuplines

[Marcin Borkowski]

Hi,

I'd like to have my \startlines ... \stoplines indented in the
following way: the first two lines unindented, the next two indented,
and so on.  Basically, this means that I'd like the pattern to be based
on (mod 4) arithmetic and not (mod 2).  Is it possible?  If yes, how?

TIA,

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[NTG-context] Indenting nested itemize

[Troy Henderson]

The following does not seem to indent the second level itemization.  The
first level is indented correctly by 2em, but the second level is not
indenting by 4em.

Troy Henderson

\setupindenting[no]
\setupitemgroup[itemize][1][][margin=2em]
\setupitemgroup[itemize][2][][margin=4em]
\starttext
Here is some text
\startitemize
\item Here is an item
\item Here is another item
\startitemize
\item Here is a sub-item
\item Here is another sub-item
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\stopitemize
\stoptext
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[NTG-context] Indenting problems

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I can't seem to get indenting to work. I've tried various combinations 
of \setupindenting, \indenting and \indent to no avail. My latest try 
looks like this:


\setuppapersize[letter][letter]

\setuplayout
  [  backspace=0.10\paperwidth,
 width=0.60\paperwidth,
   rightmargin=0.20\paperwidth,
footer=0pt,
  topspace=0.10\paperheight,
height=0.80\paperheight]

\setuppagenumbering[alternative=doublesided]

\setupbackgrounds[text][rightmargin][frame=on,rulethickness=0.05pt]

\setuplabeltext[en][chapter=Chapter ]

\define[2]\ChapterCommand
  {\inright[][align=middle]{#1}%
   \midaligned{#2}}

\setuphead
  [chapter]
  [command=\ChapterCommand,
   after=\hairline\blank,
   header=empty,
   textstyle=\cgd,
   numberstyle=\sca]

\definefontfeature[smallcaps][smallcaps][onum=yes]

\definetypeface[mainface][rm][serif]  [pagella] [default]
\definetypeface[mainface][ss][sans]   [modern]  [default]
\definetypeface[mainface][cg][calligraphy][chorus]  [default]
\definetypeface[mainface][mm][math]   [palatino][default]

\setupbodyfont[mainface]

\setupindenting[next]


\starttext %\showframe

\indenting[small]
\startchapter[title=Knuth]
\input /usr/home/wwm/LoremIpsum.tex
%\dorecurse{10}{\input knuth\par}
\stopchapter

\startchapter[title=Zapf]
\dorecurse{10}{\input zapf\par}
\stopchapter

\stoptext

(Yes, this is an expanded version of Wolfgang's example from yesterday.)

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Re: [NTG-context] Indenting problems

[Aditya Mahajan]

On Fri, 8 Jun 2012, Bill Meahan wrote:


\setupindenting[next]


\setupindenting[next,yes]

See 
http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Indentation#Setting_up_indentation_for_the_whole_document


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Re: [NTG-context] Indenting problems

[Aditya Mahajan]

On Fri, 8 Jun 2012, Aditya Mahajan wrote:


On Fri, 8 Jun 2012, Bill Meahan wrote:


\setupindenting[next]


\setupindenting[next,yes]


Sorry, that should be

\setupindenting[medium, next, yes]

See 
http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Indentation#Setting_up_indentation_for_the_whole_document


(The above page is not completely clear on this).

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Re: [NTG-context] Indenting problems

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On 06/08/2012 10:20, Aditya Mahajan wrote:

On Fri, 8 Jun 2012, Aditya Mahajan wrote:


On Fri, 8 Jun 2012, Bill Meahan wrote:


\setupindenting[next]


\setupindenting[next,yes]


Sorry, that should be

\setupindenting[medium, next, yes]



Yep, found that out before I got a chance to read your second note.

Thanks so much!


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Re: [NTG-context] indenting \startlines... \stoplines

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Am 31.12.2011 um 20:33 schrieb Pablo Rodríguez:

 Hi there,
 
 I want to be a \startlines... \stoplines environment to be 10cm away
 from the left margin.
 
 I know this is a basic question, but I have no idea how to do it.


As the lines environment has no margin keys you need the narrower environment 
to increase the left margin.

\definenarrower[narrowlines][left=10cm]

\setuplines
  [before={\startnarrowlines[left]},
after=\stopnarrowlines]

\starttext \showframe

\startlines
One
Two
Three
\stoplines

\stoptext

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Re: [NTG-context] indenting \startlines... \stoplines

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On 01/01/2012 10:30 AM, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
 Am 31.12.2011 um 20:33 schrieb Pablo Rodríguez:
 
 Hi there,

 I want to be a \startlines... \stoplines environment to be 10cm away
 from the left margin.

 I know this is a basic question, but I have no idea how to do it.
 
 As the lines environment has no margin keys you need the narrower environment 
 to increase the left margin.

Many thanks for your help, Wolfgang.


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[NTG-context] indenting \startlines... \stoplines

[Pablo Rodríguez]

Hi there,

I want to be a \startlines... \stoplines environment to be 10cm away
from the left margin.

I know this is a basic question, but I have no idea how to do it.

Since this is my last question to the list (this year ;-)), I'd really
appreciate, if anyone would be so kind to answer it.

Happy New Year,


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[NTG-context] Indenting in footnotes

[Cecil Westerhof]

I use:
 \setupindenting[yes, small, next]

This works on the main text, but not on the footnotes. In \setupfootnotes I
do not find an option to do the same. Am I overlooking something, or is it
really not possible?

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Re: [NTG-context] Indenting in footnotes

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Am 15.08.2011 um 12:56 schrieb Cecil Westerhof:

 I use:
  \setupindenting[yes, small, next]
 
 This works on the main text, but not on the footnotes. In \setupfootnotes I 
 do not find an option to do the same. Am I overlooking something, or is it 
 really not possible?

\setupnotedefintion[footnote][indenting=…]

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Re: [NTG-context] Indenting in footnotes

[Cecil Westerhof]

2011/8/15 Wolfgang Schuster schuster.wolfg...@googlemail.com


 Am 15.08.2011 um 12:56 schrieb Cecil Westerhof:

  I use:
   \setupindenting[yes, small, next]
 
  This works on the main text, but not on the footnotes. In \setupfootnotes
 I do not find an option to do the same. Am I overlooking something, or is it
 really not possible?

 \setupnotedefintion[footnote][indenting=…]


Does not exist. What comes closest is the following:
\setupfootnotedefinition[footnote][indenting=yes,small,next]


But that does not have the required effect. It even generates a blanco page.
I attached the tex and pdf files.

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Re: [NTG-context] Indenting in footnotes

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Am 15.08.2011 um 13:23 schrieb Cecil Westerhof:

 2011/8/15 Wolfgang Schuster schuster.wolfg...@googlemail.com
 
 Am 15.08.2011 um 12:56 schrieb Cecil Westerhof:
 
  I use:
   \setupindenting[yes, small, next]
 
  This works on the main text, but not on the footnotes. In \setupfootnotes I 
  do not find an option to do the same. Am I overlooking something, or is it 
  really not possible?
 
 \setupnotedefintion[footnote][indenting=…]
 
 Does not exist. What comes closest is the following:
 \setupfootnotedefinition[footnote][indenting=yes,small,next]
 
 But that does not have the required effect. It even generates a blanco page. 
 I attached the tex and pdf files.

There was a “i” missing and you need braces around the list: 
\setupnotedefinition[footnote][indenting={yes,small,next}]

BTW: You can replace “\ConTeXt\space” with “\CONTEXT\ ” and for longer 
footnotes you can also replace \footnote{…} with \startfootnote …\stopfootnote.

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Re: [NTG-context] Indenting in footnotes

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Am 15.08.2011 um 13:57 schrieb Cecil Westerhof:

 BTW: is it possible to define the footnotes somewhere else?

You mean like \useurl and \url?

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Re: [NTG-context] Indenting in footnotes

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2011/8/15 Wolfgang Schuster schuster.wolfg...@googlemail.com

  BTW: is it possible to define the footnotes somewhere else?

 You mean like \useurl and \url?


Yes, it now 'distracts' from the main info.

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Re: [NTG-context] Indenting in footnotes

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Am 15.08.2011 um 14:16 schrieb Cecil Westerhof:

 2011/8/15 Wolfgang Schuster schuster.wolfg...@googlemail.com
  BTW: is it possible to define the footnotes somewhere else?
 
 You mean like \useurl and \url?
 
 Yes, it now 'distracts' from the main info. 

No, what’s possible is this:

\startbuffer[footnote:a]
Note A
\stopbuffer

\startsetups[footnote:b]
Note B
\stopsetups

%\setvariables[footnote][c={Note C}]
\setvariable{footnote}{c}{Note C}

\starttext

A\footnote{\getbuffer[footnote:a]}

B\footnote{\texsetup{footnote:b}}

C\footnote{\getvariable{footnote}{c}}

\stoptext

You can write a feature request because it’s easy to add this functionality but 
it depends on Hans.

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Re: [NTG-context] Indenting in footnotes

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2011/8/15 Wolfgang Schuster schuster.wolfg...@googlemail.com

   BTW: is it possible to define the footnotes somewhere else?

 You mean like \useurl and \url?


 Yes, it now 'distracts' from the main info.


 No, what’s possible is this:

 \startbuffer[footnote:a]
 Note A
 \stopbuffer

 \startsetups[footnote:b]
 Note B
 \stopsetups

 %\setvariables[footnote][c={Note C}]
 \setvariable{footnote}{c}{Note C}

 \starttext

 A\footnote{\getbuffer[footnote:a]}

 B\footnote{\texsetup{footnote:b}}

 C\footnote{\getvariable{footnote}{c}}

 \stoptext


That is already a lot better as it was first. ;-}


You can write a feature request because it’s easy to add this functionality
 but it depends on Hans.


I'll do that.

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[NTG-context] Indenting in framed environments

[Géry Ogam]

Hi,

 How can I indent text within framedtext environments?
 I'm asking because my definitions/theorems/etc. commands are surrounded by 
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Re: [NTG-context] Indenting in framed environments

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Am 31.08.2010 um 21:21 schrieb Géry Ogam:

 Hi,
 
 How can I indent text within framedtext environments?
 I'm asking because my definitions/theorems/etc. commands are surrounded by 
 startframed/stopframed and I want the text inside to be 
 indented.


\setupenumerations[...][indenting=yes]

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Re: [NTG-context] indenting

[Carlos Breton Besnier]

Hi Xan. You may try:

margin=yes,
location=serried,

Regards.


2009/2/18, Xan dxpubl...@telefonica.net:
 I have the following enumeration:
 \defineenumeration
  [definition]
  [text=Definició,headstyle=bold,style=italic,
  between=\blank,titledistance=.5em,
  textdistance=1em,stopper=.,location=hanging,titleleft=(,titleright=)]

 and when I use it (\startdefinition ... \stopdefinition) it appears not 
 indenting.
 I want to indenting it, but \indenting before \startdefinition does not work.

 How can do that?

 Thanks in advance,
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[NTG-context] indenting

[Xan]

I have the following enumeration:
\defineenumeration
 [definition]
 [text=Definició,headstyle=bold,style=italic,
  between=\blank,titledistance=.5em,
  textdistance=1em,stopper=.,location=hanging,titleleft=(,titleright=)]

and when I use it (\startdefinition ... \stopdefinition) it appears not 
indenting.
I want to indenting it, but \indenting before \startdefinition does not 
work.


How can do that?

Thanks in advance,
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[NTG-context] Indenting first line of paragraphs

[Robert Blackstone]

Hi,

I would like to have the first line of paragraphs indented but the command
\setupindenting[medium] (or small or big ) does not produce anything, on
none of my machines (all Macs), and neither with TL2007 nor TL2008.

What can I do about it?

Thanks in advance.


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Re: [NTG-context] Indenting / small paper size / strange paragraph cutting

[Taco Hoekwater]

Aditya Mahajan wrote:
 
 — look at the end of the first page : there's a big gap. Don't know
 why. It's in the middle of a sentence, and the paragraph is big after.
 
 Sorry, I don't have Gentium and I do not get the same problem with latin 
 modern.

That's because of the penalty for pages ending with a hyphen. At the
page size of an ebook, you are better off with

   \brokenpenalty \zerocount

 — at the end of the second page, third line before the end, the « dans
 » is in the margin. I can't hyphenate this word. I woud prefer having
 bigger white spaces rather than this.
 
 Try \setuptolerance[verytolerant, stretch]
 
 — on page 3, before « Une horloge » I can't have indentation after
 \crlf. I used a « \packed » command after empty line but it's not what
 I want. I want a new line, with indentation but not a « \par »
 vertical spacing.

In other words, you are lying. :-)

   \def\fakepar{\begingroup\parskip0pt\par\dogotopar{\indent\endgroup}}

and then

Dans l’arrière pays.\fakepar

Une horloge ...

does what you want, but it doesn't deserve a price for elegance either.

Best wishes,
Taco
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Re: [NTG-context] Indenting / small paper size / strange paragraph cutting

[Olivier Guéry]

2008/7/26 Aditya Mahajan [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 On Sat, 26 Jul 2008, Olivier Guéry wrote:

 Hello,

 I got my Sony prs 505 ebook reader last week… Nice machine.
 I tried to set-up one of my favorite book to be read on this.
 Here are the specials part :
 — Page size : 120mm x 90 mm
 — margins : 3mm up/down and 2mm left/right (could be 1mm, in fact)

 Here are the links to the .tex and .pdf files.

 Here are my problems :
 — I can't set the space before my section number : in
 line 38 : \setuphead[section][style=tfc, numberstyle=bold,
 before={\blank[3*big]}, alternative=middle]
 everithing work but the « before » section

 Try using before={\blank[force,3*big]}.


It works great ! Thank's. Sad that we have to use a « force » command.

 — still can't have automatic indent after section. I need to force it
 using « \indentation » (line 47)

 Use

 \setupindentation[big,yes]

 and

 \setuphead[section][indentnext=yes]

It works too \o/.
Sad again. Why, when I say « always » I can't have this feature ?

 — at the end of the second page, third line before the end, the « dans
 » is in the margin. I can't hyphenate this word. I woud prefer having
 bigger white spaces rather than this.

 Try \setuptolerance[verytolerant, stretch]

Again, it was the trick (and I should have found this one by myself…).
It works too with « tolerant ».

Thank's a lot,
Olivier.

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Re: [NTG-context] Indenting / small paper size / strange paragraph cutting

[Olivier Guéry]

2008/7/27 Taco Hoekwater [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Aditya Mahajan wrote:

 — look at the end of the first page : there's a big gap. Don't know
 why. It's in the middle of a sentence, and the paragraph is big after.

 Sorry, I don't have Gentium and I do not get the same problem with latin
 modern.

 That's because of the penalty for pages ending with a hyphen. At the
 page size of an ebook, you are better off with

   \brokenpenalty \zerocount

That was it. Strange, I had to put this after « \starttext » to get it run.

 — on page 3, before « Une horloge » I can't have indentation after
 \crlf. I used a « \packed » command after empty line but it's not what
 I want. I want a new line, with indentation but not a « \par »
 vertical spacing.

 In other words, you are lying. :-)

   \def\fakepar{\begingroup\parskip0pt\par\dogotopar{\indent\endgroup}}

 and then

Dans l'arrière pays.\fakepar

Une horloge ...

 does what you want, but it doesn't deserve a price for elegance either.

I'm totally right with you. I tried to did this because it's the way I
find it on the paper book. But it's quite hugly and strange.
Your trick is the good one.

Sadly S. Beckett books are still under copyright, but I can promis
that the result is quite perfect.

Cheers,
Olivier.


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[NTG-context] Indenting / small paper size / strange paragraph cutting

[Olivier Guéry]

Hello,

I got my Sony prs 505 ebook reader last week… Nice machine.
I tried to set-up one of my favorite book to be read on this.
Here are the specials part :
— Page size : 120mm x 90 mm
— margins : 3mm up/down and 2mm left/right (could be 1mm, in fact)

Here are the links to the .tex and .pdf files.

Here are my problems :
— I can't set the space before my section number : in
line 38 : \setuphead[section][style=tfc, numberstyle=bold,
before={\blank[3*big]}, alternative=middle]
everithing work but the « before » section

— still can't have automatic indent after section. I need to force it
using « \indentation » (line 47)

— look at the end of the first page : there's a big gap. Don't know
why. It's in the middle of a sentence, and the paragraph is big after.

— at the end of the second page, third line before the end, the « dans
» is in the margin. I can't hyphenate this word. I woud prefer having
bigger white spaces rather than this.

— on page 3, before « Une horloge » I can't have indentation after
\crlf. I used a « \packed » command after empty line but it's not what
I want. I want a new line, with indentation but not a « \par »
vertical spacing.

Sorry for this 3 pages exemple. It was hard to do less (but now you
have the begining of the french translation of « Stirrings Still »
from Samuel Beckett).

Olivier.

http://nemolivier.free.fr/Soubresauts-prs-small.pdf
http://nemolivier.free.fr/Soubresauts-prs-small.tex

PS : the new firmware for the sony PRS 505 allow to use .epub files.
It's a realy good news : this is an open-source format ! A chance for
us to avoid the mp3 mess. I hope context can be used to produce them
one time.

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Re: [NTG-context] Indenting / small paper size / strange paragraph cutting

[Aditya Mahajan]

On Sat, 26 Jul 2008, Olivier Guéry wrote:


Hello,

I got my Sony prs 505 ebook reader last week… Nice machine.
I tried to set-up one of my favorite book to be read on this.
Here are the specials part :
— Page size : 120mm x 90 mm
— margins : 3mm up/down and 2mm left/right (could be 1mm, in fact)

Here are the links to the .tex and .pdf files.

Here are my problems :
— I can't set the space before my section number : in
line 38 : \setuphead[section][style=tfc, numberstyle=bold,
before={\blank[3*big]}, alternative=middle]
everithing work but the « before » section


Try using before={\blank[force,3*big]}.


— still can't have automatic indent after section. I need to force it
using « \indentation » (line 47)


Use

\setupindentation[big,yes]

and

\setuphead[section][indentnext=yes]


— look at the end of the first page : there's a big gap. Don't know
why. It's in the middle of a sentence, and the paragraph is big after.


Sorry, I don't have Gentium and I do not get the same problem with latin 
modern.



— at the end of the second page, third line before the end, the « dans
» is in the margin. I can't hyphenate this word. I woud prefer having
bigger white spaces rather than this.


Try \setuptolerance[verytolerant, stretch]


— on page 3, before « Une horloge » I can't have indentation after
\crlf. I used a « \packed » command after empty line but it's not what
I want. I want a new line, with indentation but not a « \par »
vertical spacing.


I don't know how to get this. You can use \vskip -2em (play around with 
the length) but there should be a proper way.


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Re: [NTG-context] \indenting[next] and math = no vertical space before the formula

[Mikael Persson]

On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 6:49 AM, Aditya Mahajan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Mon, 28 Apr 2008, Mikael Persson wrote:

   Hello again,
  
   * snip *
  
I could reproduce the result and have also a fix but I don't know what
the correct
reults should be and other people like Aditya should decide if it makes 
 sense
to change the current behaviour.
  
\def\startdisplaymath
 {\ifgridsnapping
\beforedisplayspace
\snapmathtogrid\vbox
   * snip *
Wolfgang
  
   This fix seems not to solve the problem entirely. With this fix
   applied, If one now put a formula inside an enumeration one gets
   double space before the formula. This is a test file that shows the
   problem:

  This is basically because in enumerations indenting is set to never.

  You can see the same affect with

  \setupindenting[no]
  \testtext

  One possible fix is to add

  indenting=(reset|next|first) %default is never

  to the \setupenumeration command. For example


   \defineenumeration[example]
  [text=Example,
  location=serried,
  width=fit,
   indenting=reset, %% Add This

 distance=0.5em,
 way=bysection,
  ]

  Another is to change \startdisplaymath to


  \def\startdisplaymath
{\ifgridsnapping
   \beforedisplayspace
   \snapmathtogrid\vbox

   \bgroup
   \informulatrue
  %\forgetall % breaks side floats
 \else
   \bgroup
   \parskip\formulaparskip % ! !
   \informulatrue
  %\forgetall % otherwise backgrounds fail
   \ifdim\lastskip\zeropoint\else
 \par
 \ifvmode \ifdim\parskip\zeropoint\relax
   \whitespace \vskip-\parskip % kind of forces and cancels again
 \fi \fi
   \fi
   \doif\displaygridcorrection{-\v!top}{\kern-\strutht}% new, currently 
 only option/default
   \beforedisplayspace
   \par
   \ifvmode \ifdim\parskip\zeropoint\relax \else

\ifindentfirstparagraph
   \verticalstrut
   \vskip-\struttotal
   \vskip-\baselineskip
 \fi\fi
   \fi
 \fi
 $$\setdisplaydimensions
 \setpredisplaysize\lastlinewidth
 \startinnermath}

  But this is getting ugly.

  Aditya


Thank you Aditya, but I don't get that to work. Both with

ConTeXt  ver: 2007.04.03 13:01 MKII  fmt: 2008.4.24  int:
english/english (with the fix earlier in this thread)
and
ConTeXt  ver: 2007.09.28 16:52 MKII  fmt: 2008.4.24  int:
english/english (which is the one from new ubuntu, without the fix)

this fails with the following error msg:

%% Start error msg
! Illegal unit of measure (pt inserted).
to be read again
   \chardef
\@@in:reset ...rue \parindent \zerocount \chardef
  \indentingtoggle \zerocount
\next1 #1,-\docomplexsetupindentingB {#1}
  \doprocesscommaitem
\doprocesscommalist ...item \gobbleoneargument #1,
  ]\relax \global \advance \...
argument ...ndenting ]\docomplexsetupindentingB
  \checkeverypar \ifindentfi...

\firstofoneargument #1-#1

...
l.29 \testexpr
   % Too much space before the formula if the fix is applied,
?
%% Stop error msg

The file that gives that error is:

%% Begin file
\setupindenting[yes,small]
\indenting[next]

\def\testtext{This is just some text so we see better what happens.}

\def\testexpr{%
\par
\testtext
\startformula
f(x)= \sin(x)
\stopformula
\testtext
\par
}

\defineenumeration[example]
   [text=Example,
   location=serried,
   width=fit,
   indenting=reset,
   distance=0.5em,
   way=bysection,
   ]

\starttext
\testexpr % OK if fix is applied, otherwise to little space before the
formula
\startexample
\testexpr % Too much space before the formula if the fix is applied,
otherwise OK.
\stopexample

\stoptext
%% End file

Best regards, Micke P
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Re: [NTG-context] \indenting[next] and math = no vertical space before the formula

[Wolfgang Schuster]

 Thank you Aditya, but I don't get that to work. Both with

 ConTeXt  ver: 2007.04.03 13:01 MKII  fmt: 2008.4.24  int:
 english/english (with the fix earlier in this thread)
 and
 ConTeXt  ver: 2007.09.28 16:52 MKII  fmt: 2008.4.24  int:
 english/english (which is the one from new ubuntu, without the fix)

Update your ConTeXt istallation, both systems use old versions.

Wolfgang
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Re: [NTG-context] \indenting[next] and math = no vertical space before the formula

[Mikael Persson]

On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 9:33 AM, Wolfgang Schuster
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Thank you Aditya, but I don't get that to work. Both with
  
   ConTeXt  ver: 2007.04.03 13:01 MKII  fmt: 2008.4.24  int:
   english/english (with the fix earlier in this thread)
   and
   ConTeXt  ver: 2007.09.28 16:52 MKII  fmt: 2008.4.24  int:
   english/english (which is the one from new ubuntu, without the fix)

  Update your ConTeXt istallation, both systems use old versions.

  Wolfgang

I wish I could. I cant even run the new version from ubuntu, since
there is some problem with the fourier fonts, explained in an earlier
mail in this thread (and also in an earlier post:
http://archive.contextgarden.net/message/20070830.154143.005528b8.en.html
)

And new minimals seem not to include the fourier fonts.

If I set indenting=next (or first) in the enumeration, the file compiles...

Sorry for complaining about old versions of ConTeXt. I am finishing
my PhD thesis, and have not found any nice combinations of text and
math fonts in the new minimals. (I am not too fond of the lm fonts).
If you have a tip about such fonts, please tell me :)

Micke P
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Re: [NTG-context] \indenting[next] and math = no vertical space before the formula

[Wolfgang Schuster]

On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 9:45 AM, Mikael Persson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 9:33 AM, Wolfgang Schuster
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Thank you Aditya, but I don't get that to work. Both with
   
ConTeXt  ver: 2007.04.03 13:01 MKII  fmt: 2008.4.24  int:
english/english (with the fix earlier in this thread)
and
ConTeXt  ver: 2007.09.28 16:52 MKII  fmt: 2008.4.24  int:
english/english (which is the one from new ubuntu, without the fix)
 
   Update your ConTeXt istallation, both systems use old versions.
 
   Wolfgang

 I wish I could. I cant even run the new version from ubuntu, since
 there is some problem with the fourier fonts, explained in an earlier
 mail in this thread (and also in an earlier post:
 http://archive.contextgarden.net/message/20070830.154143.005528b8.en.html)

No solution for this problem.

 And new minimals seem not to include the fourier fonts.

 If I set indenting=next (or first) in the enumeration, the file compiles...

 Sorry for complaining about old versions of ConTeXt. I am finishing
 my PhD thesis, and have not found any nice combinations of text and
 math fonts in the new minimals. (I am not too fond of the lm fonts).
 If you have a tip about such fonts, please tell me :)

You don't have update your complete installation, cont-tmf.zip is enough
for a new version but you also need the latest version of the latin
modern fonts.

Wolfgang
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Re: [NTG-context] \indenting[next] and math = no vertical space before the formula

[Aditya Mahajan]

On Wed, 30 Apr 2008, Mikael Persson wrote:

 On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 6:49 AM, Aditya Mahajan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Mon, 28 Apr 2008, Mikael Persson wrote:

  Hello again,
 
  * snip *
 
   I could reproduce the result and have also a fix but I don't know what
   the correct
   reults should be and other people like Aditya should decide if it makes 
  sense
   to change the current behaviour.
 
   \def\startdisplaymath
{\ifgridsnapping
   \beforedisplayspace
   \snapmathtogrid\vbox
  * snip *
   Wolfgang
 
  This fix seems not to solve the problem entirely. With this fix
  applied, If one now put a formula inside an enumeration one gets
  double space before the formula. This is a test file that shows the
  problem:

  This is basically because in enumerations indenting is set to never.

  You can see the same affect with

  \setupindenting[no]
  \testtext

  One possible fix is to add

  indenting=(reset|next|first) %default is never

  to the \setupenumeration command. For example


  \defineenumeration[example]
 [text=Example,
 location=serried,
 width=fit,
   indenting=reset, %% Add This

distance=0.5em,
way=bysection,
 ]

  Another is to change \startdisplaymath to


  \def\startdisplaymath
{\ifgridsnapping
   \beforedisplayspace
   \snapmathtogrid\vbox

   \bgroup
   \informulatrue
  %\forgetall % breaks side floats
 \else
   \bgroup
   \parskip\formulaparskip % ! !
   \informulatrue
  %\forgetall % otherwise backgrounds fail
   \ifdim\lastskip\zeropoint\else
 \par
 \ifvmode \ifdim\parskip\zeropoint\relax
   \whitespace \vskip-\parskip % kind of forces and cancels again
 \fi \fi
   \fi
   \doif\displaygridcorrection{-\v!top}{\kern-\strutht}% new, currently 
 only option/default
   \beforedisplayspace
   \par
   \ifvmode \ifdim\parskip\zeropoint\relax \else

\ifindentfirstparagraph
   \verticalstrut
   \vskip-\struttotal
   \vskip-\baselineskip
 \fi\fi
   \fi
 \fi
 $$\setdisplaydimensions
 \setpredisplaysize\lastlinewidth
 \startinnermath}

  But this is getting ugly.

  Aditya


 Thank you Aditya, but I don't get that to work. Both with

 ConTeXt  ver: 2007.04.03 13:01 MKII  fmt: 2008.4.24  int:
 english/english (with the fix earlier in this thread)
 and
 ConTeXt  ver: 2007.09.28 16:52 MKII  fmt: 2008.4.24  int:
 english/english (which is the one from new ubuntu, without the fix)

 this fails with the following error msg:

 %% Start error msg
 ! Illegal unit of measure (pt inserted).
 to be read again
   \chardef
 \@@in:reset ...rue \parindent \zerocount \chardef
  \indentingtoggle \zerocount
 \next1 #1,-\docomplexsetupindentingB {#1}
  \doprocesscommaitem
 \doprocesscommalist ...item \gobbleoneargument #1,
  ]\relax \global \advance \...
 argument ...ndenting ]\docomplexsetupindentingB
  \checkeverypar \ifindentfi...

 \firstofoneargument #1-#1


An old bug (more than two month old :)

Also add this

\unprotect
\defineindentingmethod [\v!reset] {\indentfirstparagraphtrue
\parindent\zeropoint%AM was \zerocount
\chardef\indentingtoggle\zerocount}
\protect


Aditya
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Re: [NTG-context] \indenting[next] and math = no vertical space before the formula

[Mikael Persson]

On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 7:02 PM, Aditya Mahajan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Wed, 30 Apr 2008, Mikael Persson wrote:

   On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 6:49 AM, Aditya Mahajan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   On Mon, 28 Apr 2008, Mikael Persson wrote:
  
Hello again,
   
* snip *
   
 I could reproduce the result and have also a fix but I don't know what
 the correct
 reults should be and other people like Aditya should decide if it 
 makes sense
 to change the current behaviour.
   
 \def\startdisplaymath
  {\ifgridsnapping
 \beforedisplayspace
 \snapmathtogrid\vbox
* snip *
 Wolfgang
   
This fix seems not to solve the problem entirely. With this fix
applied, If one now put a formula inside an enumeration one gets
double space before the formula. This is a test file that shows the
problem:
  
This is basically because in enumerations indenting is set to never.
  
You can see the same affect with
  
\setupindenting[no]
\testtext
  
One possible fix is to add
  
indenting=(reset|next|first) %default is never
  
to the \setupenumeration command. For example
  
  
\defineenumeration[example]
   [text=Example,
   location=serried,
   width=fit,
 indenting=reset, %% Add This
  
  distance=0.5em,
  way=bysection,
   ]
  
Another is to change \startdisplaymath to
  
  
\def\startdisplaymath
  {\ifgridsnapping
 \beforedisplayspace
 \snapmathtogrid\vbox
  
 \bgroup
 \informulatrue
%\forgetall % breaks side floats
   \else
 \bgroup
 \parskip\formulaparskip % ! !
 \informulatrue
%\forgetall % otherwise backgrounds fail
 \ifdim\lastskip\zeropoint\else
   \par
   \ifvmode \ifdim\parskip\zeropoint\relax
 \whitespace \vskip-\parskip % kind of forces and cancels again
   \fi \fi
 \fi
 \doif\displaygridcorrection{-\v!top}{\kern-\strutht}% new, 
 currently only option/default
 \beforedisplayspace
 \par
 \ifvmode \ifdim\parskip\zeropoint\relax \else
  
  \ifindentfirstparagraph
 \verticalstrut
 \vskip-\struttotal
 \vskip-\baselineskip
   \fi\fi
 \fi
   \fi
   $$\setdisplaydimensions
   \setpredisplaysize\lastlinewidth
   \startinnermath}
  
But this is getting ugly.
  
Aditya
  
  
   Thank you Aditya, but I don't get that to work. Both with
  
   ConTeXt  ver: 2007.04.03 13:01 MKII  fmt: 2008.4.24  int:
   english/english (with the fix earlier in this thread)
   and
   ConTeXt  ver: 2007.09.28 16:52 MKII  fmt: 2008.4.24  int:
   english/english (which is the one from new ubuntu, without the fix)
  
   this fails with the following error msg:
  
   %% Start error msg
   ! Illegal unit of measure (pt inserted).
   to be read again
 \chardef
   \@@in:reset ...rue \parindent \zerocount \chardef
\indentingtoggle 
 \zerocount
   \next1 #1,-\docomplexsetupindentingB {#1}
\doprocesscommaitem
   \doprocesscommalist ...item \gobbleoneargument #1,
]\relax \global \advance 
 \...
   argument ...ndenting ]\docomplexsetupindentingB
\checkeverypar 
 \ifindentfi...
  
   \firstofoneargument #1-#1
  

  An old bug (more than two month old :)

  Also add this

  \unprotect
  \defineindentingmethod [\v!reset] {\indentfirstparagraphtrue
 \parindent\zeropoint%AM was \zerocount
 \chardef\indentingtoggle\zerocount}
  \protect
  Aditya

Thank you Aditya (and also thank you Wolfgang!) Your help is really appreciated!

Micke P
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Re: [NTG-context] \indenting[next] and math = no vertical space before the formula

[Mikael Persson]

Hello again,

* snip *

  I could reproduce the result and have also a fix but I don't know what
  the correct
  reults should be and other people like Aditya should decide if it makes sense
  to change the current behaviour.

  \def\startdisplaymath
   {\ifgridsnapping
  \beforedisplayspace
  \snapmathtogrid\vbox
* snip *
  Wolfgang

This fix seems not to solve the problem entirely. With this fix
applied, If one now put a formula inside an enumeration one gets
double space before the formula. This is a test file that shows the
problem:

%%% Test file
\setupindenting[yes,small]
\indenting[next]

\def\testtext{This is just some text so we see better what happens.}

\def\testexpr{%
\par
\testtext
\startformula
f(x)= \sin(x)
\stopformula
\testtext
\par
}

\defineenumeration[example]
[text=Example,
location=serried,
width=fit,
distance=0.5em,
way=bysection,
]

\starttext
\testexpr % OK if fix is applied, otherwise to little space before the formula
\startexample
\testexpr % Too much space before the formula if the fix is applied,
otherwise OK.
\stopexample

\stoptext

%%% Stop testfile

Best regards, Micke P

PS Hans, I save the timing testing for next time I try LuaTeX.
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[NTG-context] \indenting[next] and math = no vertical space before the formula

[Mikael Persson]

Dear all,

I have a problem with \indenting[next] combined with math formulas.
Look at the example below. The space between the text above the
formula and the formula is way to small. This goes away if I change
next to for example yes.

Btw, this happens on my TeXLive 2007 on ubuntu at home, my ConTeXt
minimal from 2007-04-03 at work and on live.contextgarden.net (with
pdfTeX but not LuaTeX).

Do I misuse the indenting macros?

Thanks, Micke P

% test file
\setupindenting[yes,small]
\indenting[next]

\starttext
Hello World! This is just some dumb text to show the problem.
\startformula
a=b
\stopformula
Goodbye World! The space below the formula is OK.
\stoptext
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Re: [NTG-context] \indenting[next] and math = no vertical space before the formula

[Wolfgang Schuster]

On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 12:15 PM, Mikael Persson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Dear all,

 I have a problem with \indenting[next] combined with math formulas.
 Look at the example below. The space between the text above the
 formula and the formula is way to small. This goes away if I change
 next to for example yes.

 Btw, this happens on my TeXLive 2007 on ubuntu at home, my ConTeXt
 minimal from 2007-04-03 at work and on live.contextgarden.net (with
 pdfTeX but not LuaTeX).

 Do I misuse the indenting macros?

 Thanks, Micke P

 % test file
 \setupindenting[yes,small]
 \indenting[next]

 \starttext
 Hello World! This is just some dumb text to show the problem.
 \startformula
 a=b
 \stopformula
 Goodbye World! The space below the formula is OK.
 \stoptext

I could reproduce the result and have also a fix but I don't know what
the correct
reults should be and other people like Aditya should decide if it makes sense
to change the current behaviour.

\def\startdisplaymath
  {\ifgridsnapping
 \beforedisplayspace
 \snapmathtogrid\vbox
 \bgroup
 \informulatrue
%\forgetall % breaks side floats
   \else
 \bgroup
 \parskip\formulaparskip % ! !
 \informulatrue
%\forgetall % otherwise backgrounds fail
 \ifdim\lastskip\zeropoint\else
   \par
   \ifvmode \ifdim\parskip\zeropoint\relax
 \whitespace \vskip-\parskip % kind of forces and cancels again
   \fi \fi
 \fi
 \doif\displaygridcorrection{-\v!top}{\kern-\strutht}% new,
currently only option/default
 \beforedisplayspace
 \par
 \ifvmode
   \ifindentfirstparagraph
 \verticalstrut
 \vskip-\struttotal
 \vskip-\baselineskip
   \fi
 \fi
   \fi
   $$\setdisplaydimensions
   \setpredisplaysize\lastlinewidth
   \startinnermath}

I added the \ifindentfirstparagraph test before the last skip
upwards is executed.

Wolfgang
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Re: [NTG-context] \indenting[next] and math = no vertical space before the formula

[Hans Hagen]

Aditya Mahajan wrote:

 Hans, if you agree with Wolfgang's fix, I think it should be included in 
 core-mat.

i just wait till you send me a core-mat with fixes .. fixing whitespace 
is always a bit tricky ... test with/without whitespace as well as with 
grids

Hans

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Re: [NTG-context] \indenting[next] and math = no vertical space before the formula

[Mikael Persson]

Thank you Wolfgang, Aditya and Hans for your kind answers.

Today the new ubuntu was released, and I did upgrade. That was not too smart:

With the newer TeXLive in ubuntu 8.04 came an updated ConTeXt which
gave me the problem explained in
http://archive.contextgarden.net/message/20070830.154143.005528b8.en.html
again.

Since I am finishing my PhD thesis and really want to use the
utopia+fourier fonts, I downgraded to an old ConTeXt minimal for now.
I have not managed to get Wolfgang's solution to work (just tried to
copy that definition to my file, and that did not change the vertical
space. I will try to make the change in core-mat.tex now). However,
some questions remain:

1) I also tried the new context minimal with LuaTeX  (to see if it
worked better there) and found out that the fourier fonts are not
included in the minimals anymore. Are there any plans to include them?
Or to make some kind of package with these and other nice free fonts?

2) Will the problem from
http://archive.contextgarden.net/message/20070830.154143.005528b8.en.html
go away in the near future (of new versions)? From the answers to that
question I did not really get if the problem was a big one or not.

Best Regards, Micke P

PS I am impressed by the speed of LuaTeX. It compiled my document in
~20s instead of 1-2 minutes.

On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 7:28 PM, Hans Hagen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Aditya Mahajan wrote:

   Hans, if you agree with Wolfgang's fix, I think it should be included in
   core-mat.

  i just wait till you send me a core-mat with fixes .. fixing whitespace
  is always a bit tricky ... test with/without whitespace as well as with
  grids

  Hans

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Re: [NTG-context] \indenting[next] and math = no vertical space before the formula

[Mikael Persson]

First, thank you Wolfgang, I tried to change it in the core-mat.tex
and it looks great now!

   1) I also tried the new context minimal with LuaTeX  (to see if it
   worked better there) and found out that the fourier fonts are not
   included in the minimals anymore. Are there any plans to include them?
   Or to make some kind of package with these and other nice free fonts?

  mojca will look into it (out of reach, mail etc now) since it came up
  last week

sounds great!


   2) Will the problem from
   http://archive.contextgarden.net/message/20070830.154143.005528b8.en.html
   go away in the near future (of new versions)? From the answers to that
   question I did not really get if the problem was a big one or not.

  depends on who wants to fix it -)


I don't know what to do (and I am not a programmer), but if there is
some monkey-see-monkey-do work, I am happy to help.


   PS I am impressed by the speed of LuaTeX. It compiled my document in
   ~20s instead of 1-2 minutes.

  Due to mplib or in general? Some parts of mkiv can still be sped up,
  e.g. xml processing, but there's not that much more to gain in font
  handling (that is ... we're playing with runtime mp fonts and there we
  can gain a lot when the new img related features show up). Also, some
  mechanisms will be reimplemented and  as such be sped up.

Hm, I hoped you would tell me why ;)
The document is a math document with a lot of references, 5 different
bibliographies. But no MetaPost graphics, just plain text + formulas.
It is about 100 pages at the moment. Could it maybe be the fact that I
am changing font? With LuaTeX I was using the lm fonts. I have a
feeling it takes a bit longer to load other fonts, but that might just
be a feeling from what is written in the terminal?

Micke P
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Re: [NTG-context] \indenting[next] and math = no vertical space before the formula

[Hans Hagen]

Mikael Persson wrote:
 First, thank you Wolfgang, I tried to change it in the core-mat.tex
 and it looks great now!
 
   1) I also tried the new context minimal with LuaTeX  (to see if it
   worked better there) and found out that the fourier fonts are not
   included in the minimals anymore. Are there any plans to include them?
   Or to make some kind of package with these and other nice free fonts?

  mojca will look into it (out of reach, mail etc now) since it came up
  last week
 
 sounds great!
 
   2) Will the problem from
   http://archive.contextgarden.net/message/20070830.154143.005528b8.en.html
   go away in the near future (of new versions)? From the answers to that
   question I did not really get if the problem was a big one or not.

  depends on who wants to fix it -)

 
 I don't know what to do (and I am not a programmer), but if there is
 some monkey-see-monkey-do work, I am happy to help.
 
   PS I am impressed by the speed of LuaTeX. It compiled my document in
   ~20s instead of 1-2 minutes.

  Due to mplib or in general? Some parts of mkiv can still be sped up,
  e.g. xml processing, but there's not that much more to gain in font
  handling (that is ... we're playing with runtime mp fonts and there we
  can gain a lot when the new img related features show up). Also, some
  mechanisms will be reimplemented and  as such be sped up.
 
 Hm, I hoped you would tell me why ;)
 The document is a math document with a lot of references, 5 different
 bibliographies. But no MetaPost graphics, just plain text + formulas.
 It is about 100 pages at the moment. Could it maybe be the fact that I
 am changing font? With LuaTeX I was using the lm fonts. I have a
 feeling it takes a bit longer to load other fonts, but that might just
 be a feeling from what is written in the terminal?

mkiv needs less fonts but they may be bigger (more glyphs)

at the end of a run you see the statistics, just write them down 
occasionally so that we can see the improvements

other reasons can be that some mem bugs have been removed over time adn 
that mkiv share more data, so that overall less memory is needed which 
in turn gives less garbage collection

try adding

\usemodule[timing]

to the top of the doc and one or more


\ShowUsage  {}
\ShowMemoryUsage{}
\ShowNodeUsage  {}

at the end ... it generates some pictures that show what takes most time


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Re: [NTG-context] Indenting (again!): a real problem in indentnext=yes

[Taco Hoekwater]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Sorry, I wasn't precise enough: I would like to indent paragraphs inside a 
 block
 created with \defineenumeration (like theorems...), not inside an itemize 
 block.
 The output in this latter case is indeed quite awful.

\defineenumeration[theorem][indenting=always]

This is actually easier to find, because it actually is documented
in texshow:  http://texshow.contextgarden.net/

 Every paragraph (preceded by an empty line or \par) in the text flow will 
 get
 indented, independently of:
 * what is above (formula, float, etc)
 * what environment it belongs to (quote, theorem, abstract, etc.), as long as
 this environment doesn't need alignment (like itemize, tabular, etc.)
 
 Of course, particular objects like captions, tables, footnotes, won't be
 concerned by indenting.
 
 I hope my explanations were clear enough... If needed, I can write a small 
 LaTeX
 example and send it to the list.

The thing is that the formal specification is not clearly defined,
not even if you mention all cases. _You_ may not want indented
footnotes, but _I_ have typeset a book that did.

And consider this:

   Text text text text
   \startquotation
 Quoted text quoted text
   \stopquotation
   Text text text text

is the next Text indented, yes or no? Whether this is a 'display' or
a standalone paragraph is very much up to the document designer.

In english mathematical texts, Theorems and such are often seen as a
kind of run-in header, so that Theorem 1.  Text text text is not
indented, but that usually does not apply to Proof.  Text text text
and Remark 1.  Text text text: those usually _are_ indented.

I am being hesitant about a 'global switch' because I fear that any
automated solution only takes care of one particular set of settings,
and so does will really help that much and will become a documentation
nightmare. Imagine:

The command \indentallparagraphs will  make sure that every
paragraph in the document will get indented, regardless of its
surroundings, with the following exceptions:

* the bodies of the predefined floating objects figures, tables,
  intermezzos, graphics.
* the bodies of the predefined footnotes  endnotes, and floating
  marginals
* the contents of float captions
* the paragraph following a \stopformula, if that formula is
  not preceded by \placeformula, and there is not empty line
  inbetween.
* any itemgroups, enumerations, descriptions, floats etc. that
  were not predefined in the context core.
* ...

I hope you see the problem with that. Even a simple command like

\setupindentnext[yes]

does not work out-of-the-box, because you actually wanted

   \setupformulae[indentnext=auto] % not yes


As I said before, it may be much easier to put all this in a module
(by you, or someone else, but I guess you now have the list of desired
commands pretty much at hand?). Then you can say

\usemodule[indentall]

and the context core would not have to think about all these border
cases.


Best wishes,
Taco
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Re: [NTG-context] Indenting (again!): a real problem in indentnext=yes

[morgan . brassel]

Selon Taco Hoekwater [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 \defineenumeration[theorem][indenting=always]

 This is actually easier to find, because it actually is documented
 in texshow:  http://texshow.contextgarden.net/

You're right. I found it there just after I sent the mail... Thank you, and
sorry I didn't look at it first.

 The thing is that the formal specification is not clearly defined,
 not even if you mention all cases. _You_ may not want indented
 footnotes, but _I_ have typeset a book that did.

It's not exactly about what _I_ want: my only wish was to recover the LaTeX
specification. And actually, I don't know if it is clearly defined or not. Maybe
I'm too used to LaTeX choices.

 And consider this:

Text text text text
\startquotation
  Quoted text quoted text
\stopquotation
Text text text text

 is the next Text indented, yes or no? Whether this is a 'display' or
 a standalone paragraph is very much up to the document designer.

Without an empty line over it, it should not be indented. It's the rule in
LaTeX, and it seems quite natural (to me). If you want it indented, you have to
start a new paragraph, with an empty line or \par. All this because quotation
can be part of a paragraph. Formulae, itemize, can also be part of a paragraph,
that's why the rule should be the same for them.

Floats, footnotes, etc. can't be part of a paragraph, that's why the rule is
different for them.

 In english mathematical texts, Theorems and such are often seen as a
 kind of run-in header, so that Theorem 1.  Text text text is not
 indented, but that usually does not apply to Proof.  Text text text
 and Remark 1.  Text text text: those usually _are_ indented.

For theorem like environments, I'd follow the choices of the AMS. The text
inside theorems should follow the same rule as the main text outside. The head
of theorems never get indented (by default).

 I am being hesitant about a 'global switch' because I fear that any
 automated solution only takes care of one particular set of settings,
 and so does will really help that much and will become a documentation
 nightmare. Imagine:

 The command \indentallparagraphs will  make sure that every
 paragraph in the document will get indented, regardless of its
 surroundings, with the following exceptions:

 * the bodies of the predefined floating objects figures, tables,
   intermezzos, graphics.
 * the bodies of the predefined footnotes  endnotes, and floating
   marginals
 * the contents of float captions
 * the paragraph following a \stopformula, if that formula is
   not preceded by \placeformula, and there is not empty line
   inbetween.

\placeformula shouldn't modify anything there...

 * any itemgroups, enumerations, descriptions, floats etc. that
   were not predefined in the context core.
 * ...

 I hope you see the problem with that. Even a simple command like

 \setupindentnext[yes]

 does not work out-of-the-box, because you actually wanted

\setupformulae[indentnext=auto] % not yes

auto seems indeed to be the default in LaTeX.



 As I said before, it may be much easier to put all this in a module
 (by you, or someone else, but I guess you now have the list of desired
 commands pretty much at hand?). Then you can say

 \usemodule[indentall]

 and the context core would not have to think about all these border
 cases.

I understand that it's delicate to modify the core for such questions. My point
is that I always found indenting clear or coherent in LaTeX: you want an
indented line, then leave an empty line before. In ConTeXt, I had to fight a bit
to recover this simple rule. But as I said, maybe I'm too used to LaTeX
choices...

As you suggest, I will put every command I used in a separate file, and try to
produce a module out of it. I'm not sure I have sufficient knowledge for this
yet, but I'll try.

Last of all, I want to thank you for all your answers, and apologize for my poor
english: I might seem a bit rude, but this is clearly not my wish.

Best regards,
Morgan

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Re: [NTG-context] Indenting (again!): a real problem in indentnext=yes

[morgan . brassel]

Selon Taco Hoekwater [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Ah, misunderstood. You want
 
 \setupformulae[indentnext=auto]
 
  Thank you, Taco! And may I ask the difference with the 'yes' option? Is it
  documented somewhere? I'm having a real hard time understanding all the
  mechanisms of indenting in ConTeXt...

 The 'auto' indents the next paragraph, but only if it is a separate
 paragraph (empty line or \par command following the \stop.. command)

Thank you, that's precisely what I needed.


 Indenting is not much more complex than this: there is \indenting
 with its (pretty long) list of arguments, and then there are the
 indentnext=[yes|no|auto] option available after various block-creation
 commands.

 The indentnext key is relatively new, and is added for requests
 similar to yours, but at a smaller scale. Some layouts ask for
 indentation after itemizations but not after floats, sometimes there
 is a need for 'auto' for formulae but often you really want 'no',
 some styles indent after block quotations, others dont, etc. etc.

Ok, it's clearer to me now. Then I've got one last question on the subject: I
didn't manage to have paragraph indented inside an 'enumeration' block, is there
an option to do that? Thank you for your patience!

I still think that it would be great to have one option to indent absolutely all
paragraphs...

Best regards,
Morgan



 Best wishes,
 Taco

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Re: [NTG-context] Indenting (again!): a real problem in indentnext=yes

[morgan . brassel]

Selon Taco Hoekwater [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Ok, it's clearer to me now. Then I've got one last question on the subject:
 I
  didn't manage to have paragraph indented inside an 'enumeration' block, is
 there
  an option to do that? Thank you for your patience!

 It is indeed possible, but the how is not very intuitive:

\startitemize[command=\indent] % or \setupitemize[each][command...]
\item 
\stopitemize

 the output looks dreadful to my eyes, and I really doubt this
 will ever become more easily supported.

Sorry, I wasn't precise enough: I would like to indent paragraphs inside a block
created with \defineenumeration (like theorems...), not inside an itemize block.
The output in this latter case is indeed quite awful.


  I still think that it would be great to have one option to indent
 absolutely all
  paragraphs...

 Is 'absolutely all' including the one above? What about float captions?
 And multi-line entries in tables? Or table of contents items? Or synonym
 entries? Footnotes?

By 'absolutely all', I mean just like when you use \setlength{\parindent}{1em}
in LaTeX (plus eventually the indentfirst package for indenting after heads).
Every paragraph (preceded by an empty line or \par) in the text flow will get
indented, independently of:
* what is above (formula, float, etc)
* what environment it belongs to (quote, theorem, abstract, etc.), as long as
this environment doesn't need alignment (like itemize, tabular, etc.)

Of course, particular objects like captions, tables, footnotes, won't be
concerned by indenting.

I hope my explanations were clear enough... If needed, I can write a small LaTeX
example and send it to the list.

Best regards,
Morgan
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[NTG-context] Indenting (again!): a real problem in indentnext=yes

[morgan . brassel]

Hi,

Sorry but I'm going to talk about indenting again. This time, it seems to me
that there is really something wrong with the indentnext=yes option. Look at the
following example, it speaks for itself (or at least I hope so).

\setupindenting[yes,medium]
\setupformulae[indentnext=yes]
\starttext

This is my first formula:
\startformula x = 1, \stopformula
and this line should not be indented because it's still in the same sentence.
There is no line skip in the source file, and no new paragraph created.

This is my second formula:
\startformula x = 2. \stopformula

This line has to be indented (and it is!), as this is truely a new paragraph.

\stoptext

The option indentnext=yes does not handle properly the first situation. What do
you think?

Thanks for your answers, and sorry to bother you again and again!
Morgan
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Re: [NTG-context] Indenting (again!): a real problem in indentnext=yes

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 The option indentnext=yes does not handle properly the first situation. What 
 do
 you think?

That works for me as it should. My context: 2008.01.28, pdftex 1.40.5
What are your versions?

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Re: [NTG-context] Indenting (again!): a real problem in indentnext=yes

[morgan . brassel]

Selon Taco Hoekwater [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  The option indentnext=yes does not handle properly the first situation.
 What do
  you think?

 That works for me as it should. My context: 2008.01.28, pdftex 1.40.5
 What are your versions?

I'm using the context package in debian sid:
* context: 2008.01.02
* pdftex: 1.40.3

But I also tried with ConTeXt live, and the result is the same... Notice that
the line after the first formula should NOT be indented. How is it with your
installation?


 Best wishes,
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Re: [NTG-context] Indenting (again!): a real problem in indentnext=yes

[Taco Hoekwater]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Selon Taco Hoekwater [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 The option indentnext=yes does not handle properly the first situation.
 What do
 you think?
 That works for me as it should. My context: 2008.01.28, pdftex 1.40.5
 What are your versions?
 
 I'm using the context package in debian sid:
 * context: 2008.01.02
 * pdftex: 1.40.3
 
 But I also tried with ConTeXt live, and the result is the same... Notice that
 the line after the first formula should NOT be indented. How is it with your
 installation?

Ah, misunderstood. You want

   \setupformulae[indentnext=auto]

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Re: [NTG-context] Indenting (again!): a real problem in indentnext=yes

[morgan . brassel]

Selon Taco Hoekwater [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Selon Taco Hoekwater [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  The option indentnext=yes does not handle properly the first situation.
  What do
  you think?
  That works for me as it should. My context: 2008.01.28, pdftex 1.40.5
  What are your versions?
 
  I'm using the context package in debian sid:
  * context: 2008.01.02
  * pdftex: 1.40.3
 
  But I also tried with ConTeXt live, and the result is the same... Notice
 that
  the line after the first formula should NOT be indented. How is it with
 your
  installation?

 Ah, misunderstood. You want

\setupformulae[indentnext=auto]

Thank you, Taco! And may I ask the difference with the 'yes' option? Is it
documented somewhere? I'm having a real hard time understanding all the
mechanisms of indenting in ConTeXt...


 Best wishes,
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Re: [NTG-context] Indenting (again!): a real problem in indentnext=yes

[Taco Hoekwater]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Ah, misunderstood. You want

\setupformulae[indentnext=auto]
 
 Thank you, Taco! And may I ask the difference with the 'yes' option? Is it
 documented somewhere? I'm having a real hard time understanding all the
 mechanisms of indenting in ConTeXt...

The 'auto' indents the next paragraph, but only if it is a separate
paragraph (empty line or \par command following the \stop.. command)

Indenting is not much more complex than this: there is \indenting
with its (pretty long) list of arguments, and then there are the
indentnext=[yes|no|auto] option available after various block-creation
commands.

The indentnext key is relatively new, and is added for requests
similar to yours, but at a smaller scale. Some layouts ask for
indentation after itemizations but not after floats, sometimes there
is a need for 'auto' for formulae but often you really want 'no',
some styles indent after block quotations, others dont, etc. etc.

Best wishes,
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[NTG-context] Indenting with ConTeXt

[morgan . brassel]

Hi,

I'm very new to ConTeXt and I've got some (probably naive) questions about
indenting.

1. According to the ConTeXt Excursion, using \setupindenting[medium] should lead
to indented paragraph. And actually, at least for me, it doesn't... I saw
examples on the wiki with \setupindenting[yes,medium]: this actually works, but
the 'yes' option is not documented for the \setupindenting command on texshow.
What am I missing here? Is the \indenting command needed even to indent the
whole document? It is not what I understood from the Excursion...

2. I have not been able to indent the first paragraph after a \section (or any
other titling) command. Isn't it the role of the 'first' option for
\setupindenting? Is a trick needed to have it work?

Thanks in advance for your answers,

Morgan


\setupindenting[medium,first]
\starttext

This paragraph is not indented. It becomes indented when I add the
(undocumented?) 'yes' option to \setupindenting.

\section{A section}

How to get this one indented (in the whole document)?

\stoptext
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Re: [NTG-context] Indenting with ConTeXt

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Hi Morgan,

On Jan 21, 2008 2:02 PM,  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi,

 I'm very new to ConTeXt and I've got some (probably naive) questions about
 indenting.

 1. According to the ConTeXt Excursion, using \setupindenting[medium] should 
 lead
 to indented paragraph. And actually, at least for me, it doesn't... I saw
 examples on the wiki with \setupindenting[yes,medium]: this actually works, 
 but
 the 'yes' option is not documented for the \setupindenting command on texshow.
 What am I missing here? Is the \indenting command needed even to indent the
 whole document? It is not what I understood from the Excursion...

The manuals are a little bit outdated and not every new feature and
change in the
setup is documented.

 2. I have not been able to indent the first paragraph after a \section (or any
 other titling) command. Isn't it the role of the 'first' option for
 \setupindenting? Is a trick needed to have it work?

This is a feature, because the first paragraph after a section
shouldn't be intended
by default, you could change this with the following setups.

a. You want to enable indenting only for section commands.

\setuphead[section][indentnext=yes]

b. You want to enable indenting for all headers

\setupheads[indentnext=yes]

 Thanks in advance for your answers,

 Morgan


 \setupindenting[medium,first]
 \starttext

 This paragraph is not indented. It becomes indented when I add the
 (undocumented?) 'yes' option to \setupindenting.

 \section{A section}

 How to get this one indented (in the whole document)?

 \stoptext

Greetings,

Wolfgang
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Re: [NTG-context] Indenting with ConTeXt

[morgan . brassel]

Selon Wolfgang Schuster [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Hi Morgan,

 On Jan 21, 2008 2:02 PM,  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hi,
 
  I'm very new to ConTeXt and I've got some (probably naive) questions about
  indenting.
 
  1. According to the ConTeXt Excursion, using \setupindenting[medium] should
 lead
  to indented paragraph. And actually, at least for me, it doesn't... I saw
  examples on the wiki with \setupindenting[yes,medium]: this actually works,
 but
  the 'yes' option is not documented for the \setupindenting command on
 texshow.
  What am I missing here? Is the \indenting command needed even to indent the
  whole document? It is not what I understood from the Excursion...

 The manuals are a little bit outdated and not every new feature and
 change in the
 setup is documented.

I see. So the 'yes' option is now a true option of \setupindenting?


  2. I have not been able to indent the first paragraph after a \section (or
 any
  other titling) command. Isn't it the role of the 'first' option for
  \setupindenting? Is a trick needed to have it work?

 This is a feature, because the first paragraph after a section
 shouldn't be intended
 by default, you could change this with the following setups.

In french documents, common usage is to indent every paragraphs, including those
following titles. Maybe this behaviour could be added in the \mainlanguage[fr]
command? I guess that babel does it in LaTeX when the frenchb option is chosen.


 a. You want to enable indenting only for section commands.

 \setuphead[section][indentnext=yes]

 b. You want to enable indenting for all headers

 \setupheads[indentnext=yes]

Thanks for this solution. This probably should be the default for french
documents...


  Thanks in advance for your answers,
 
  Morgan
 
 
  \setupindenting[medium,first]
  \starttext
 
  This paragraph is not indented. It becomes indented when I add the
  (undocumented?) 'yes' option to \setupindenting.
 
  \section{A section}
 
  How to get this one indented (in the whole document)?
 
  \stoptext

 Greetings,

 Wolfgang

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Re: [NTG-context] Indenting with ConTeXt

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 \setupheads[indentnext=yes]
 
 Thanks for this solution. This probably should be the default for french
 documents...

  I concur; this is indeed the most common practice.

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Re: [NTG-context] Indenting with ConTeXt

[Hans Hagen]

Arthur Reutenauer wrote:
 \setupheads[indentnext=yes]
 Thanks for this solution. This probably should be the default for french
 documents...
 
   I concur; this is indeed the most common practice.

there will be no such defaults hardcoded in the format; of course there 
can be a module s-french that set such things up

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[NTG-context] Indenting tables

[The Wizard]

All -
I am creating simple tables like this

\starttable[|l|l|l|l|]
\HL
\VL \bf Time Frame \VL \bf SAN A \VL \bf SAN B \VL \bf SAN C \VL \AR \HL
\VL 10pm to 6am - Backup \VL 1500 MB/s \VL 1500 MB/s \VL 1500 MB/s \VL 
\AR \HL
\VL 6am to 10pm – NBU Vaulting \VL \rightarrow \VL \rightarrow \VL 
4500MB/s \VL \AR \HL
\stoptable

The table is created fine, but I would like it to be centered in the 
surrounding text. The current table starts at the left page margin, 
rather than where the text starts. Is there a simple way to indent the 
left edge of the table to match the surrounding text? I have tried using 
\setuptables[align=middle], but it seems to have no effect.

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Re: [NTG-context] Indenting tables

[Aditya Mahajan]

On Mon, 5 Feb 2007, The Wizard wrote:

 All -
 I am creating simple tables like this

 \starttable[|l|l|l|l|]
 \HL
 \VL \bf Time Frame \VL \bf SAN A \VL \bf SAN B \VL \bf SAN C \VL \AR \HL
 \VL 10pm to 6am - Backup \VL 1500 MB/s \VL 1500 MB/s \VL 1500 MB/s \VL
 \AR \HL
 \VL 6am to 10pm – NBU Vaulting \VL \rightarrow \VL \rightarrow \VL
 4500MB/s \VL \AR \HL
 \stoptable

 The table is created fine, but I would like it to be centered in the
 surrounding text. The current table starts at the left page margin,
 rather than where the text starts. Is there a simple way to indent the
 left edge of the table to match the surrounding text? I have tried using
 \setuptables[align=middle], but it seems to have no effect.

You can use

\midaligned{\starttable ... \stoptable}

or (untested)

\placetable
[here][none]{none}
{\starttable ... \stoptable}

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Re: [NTG-context] Indenting tables

[The Wizard]

Aditya Mahajan wrote:
 On Mon, 5 Feb 2007, The Wizard wrote:

   
 All -
 I am creating simple tables like this

 \starttable[|l|l|l|l|]
 \HL
 \VL \bf Time Frame \VL \bf SAN A \VL \bf SAN B \VL \bf SAN C \VL \AR \HL
 \VL 10pm to 6am - Backup \VL 1500 MB/s \VL 1500 MB/s \VL 1500 MB/s \VL
 \AR \HL
 \VL 6am to 10pm – NBU Vaulting \VL \rightarrow \VL \rightarrow \VL
 4500MB/s \VL \AR \HL
 \stoptable

 The table is created fine, but I would like it to be centered in the
 surrounding text. The current table starts at the left page margin,
 rather than where the text starts. Is there a simple way to indent the
 left edge of the table to match the surrounding text? I have tried using
 \setuptables[align=middle], but it seems to have no effect.
 

 You can use

 \midaligned{\starttable ... \stoptable}

 or (untested)

 \placetable
 [here][none]{none}
 {\starttable ... \stoptable}

 Aditya

   
Aditya -
Thanks so much; the \placetable... form did exactly what I was looking for.

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[NTG-context] indenting of first paragraph in (sub)section

[Vyatcheslav Yatskovsky]

Hello,

I' trying to figure out why

\setupindenting[first,medium,yes]

does not indents the FIRST paragraph of a section or subsection.

An example follows.

Thanks in advance.



\setupbodyfont[lbr,11pt]

\setuppapersize[A4]
\setuplayout[width=17cm,height=28cm, topspace=1cm, header=1cm, footer=1cm, 
location=middle]

\setupitemize[n,joinedup]
\setuppagenumbering[location=]

\setupwhitespace[medium]
\setupindenting[first,medium,yes]

\showframe


\starttext

\section{INTRODUCTION}

\subsection{Rationale}

Anyone who has been around the computer industry for a decade or more is well 
aware of this phenomenon: machines are getting exponentially more powerful per 
unit cost, yet users do not perceive this improvement in the applications that 
they purchase. For example, while word processors are clearly faster today than 
they were 21 years ago, they aren't 16,384 times faster as Moore's Law would 
suggest. Part of the problem, of course, is that some of the additional 
processing power has been employed to support new features (such as a 
bit-mapped display), but a large part of the reason software users aren't 
seeing an increase in speed is because many of today's programmers don't take 
the time to write efficient software, or they simply {\it don't know} how to 
write fast code.

\stoptext

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Re: [NTG-context] indenting of first paragraph in (sub)section

[Aditya Mahajan]

On Mon, 11 Dec 2006, Vyatcheslav Yatskovsky wrote:

 Hello,

 I' trying to figure out why

 \setupindenting[first,medium,yes]

 does not indents the FIRST paragraph of a section or subsection.


\setupheads[indentnext=yes]

if you want to indent after all heads

or

\setuphead[section,subsection,subsubsection][indentnext=yes]

if you want to control which heads should be indented


Aditya

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Re: [NTG-context] indenting of first paragraph in (sub)section

[David Rogers]

Vyatcheslav Yatskovsky wrote:

Hello,

I' trying to figure out why

\setupindenting[first,medium,yes]

does not indents the FIRST paragraph of a section or subsection.

An example follows.

Thanks in advance.

It is normal to not indent the first paragraph, only second and later 
paragraphs - because indenting is used to separate paragraphs from each other, 
and the first does not need to be separated from anything (because it was 
first).

When I add a second paragraph to your example, it is indented according to your 
instructions.

If you still want to indent the first paragraph, there's probably a way to 
force it; but I don't know how.
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Re: [NTG-context] indenting after section headings with before, after keyvals

[Aditya Mahajan]

On Sun, 6 Aug 2006, Sanjoy Mahajan wrote:

 The text after section headings is normally not indented, even if
 \setupindenting[yes] is given -- which looks good and was a pain to get
 right in my plain TeX days.  But the don't indent that code seems to
 get confused if before= and after= values are given in the heading
 setup.

 Below is a minimal example (using context 2006.07.24 10:49) showing that
 the 'before' hairline is indented, and the Indented? text after the
 'after' hairline is indented.  All is fine without the \setupindenting
 or the \setuphead line.  Is there an easy fix that I missed?  I tried
 throwing in \noindent into the before or after keys but no luck.

I think that the command is \noindentation.

 \setuphead[section][before={\hairline\blank},after={\nowhitespace\hairline}]

Use instead

\setuphead[section]
   [before={\noindentation\hairline\blank},
after={\nowhitespace\hairline\noindentation}]


 \setupindenting[medium,yes]

 \starttext
 \section{First}
 Indented?
 \stoptext


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Re: [NTG-context] indenting after section headings with before, after keyvals

[Sanjoy Mahajan]

 I think that the command is \noindentation.

Thanks, that does the trick.

For future ConTeXt releases, should the no-indentation be handled
automatically by \section (e.g. it would wrap the section including
the before and after material in an environment with \parindent=0pt)?
Or is it better to have the user explicitly specify what they want?

-Sanjoy

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[NTG-context] indenting after section headings with before, after keyvals

[Sanjoy Mahajan]

The text after section headings is normally not indented, even if
\setupindenting[yes] is given -- which looks good and was a pain to get
right in my plain TeX days.  But the don't indent that code seems to
get confused if before= and after= values are given in the heading
setup.  

Below is a minimal example (using context 2006.07.24 10:49) showing that
the 'before' hairline is indented, and the Indented? text after the
'after' hairline is indented.  All is fine without the \setupindenting
or the \setuphead line.  Is there an easy fix that I missed?  I tried
throwing in \noindent into the before or after keys but no luck.

\setuphead[section][before={\hairline\blank},after={\nowhitespace\hairline}]
\setupindenting[medium,yes]

\starttext
\section{First}
Indented?
\stoptext
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Re: [NTG-context] indenting in XML environment

[Taco Hoekwater]

Hans Hagen wrote:

Christopher G D Tipper wrote:


Hi Taco,

I've found the miscreant. In my stylesheet I have
\def\eDroppedCaps
{\DroppedCaps
{} {ptmr8r}
{2.2\baselineskip} {2pt} {\baselineskip} {2}}

and in my XML I have:
\defineXMLcommand [dropped-caps] \eDroppedCaps

and for some reason this screws up all paragraph indenting. Has this  
changed recently, because it used to work?


well, indenting has been extended (and a bit fixed)


My guess is this patch to supp-fun is needed (untested):

 \def\DroppedCaps#1#2#3#4#5#6#7% does not yet handle accented chars
   {\convertargument#7\to\asciia
\convertcommand \DroppedString\to\asciib
\ExpandBothAfter\doifinstringelse\asciia\asciib
- {\noindenting
+ {\noindentation
   \dontleavehmode
  %\ifhmode\hskip-\parindent\fi % sensitive for context mechanism

Cheers, Taco
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