[Numpy-discussion] Re: spam on the mailing lists

Upate: since there is a clear delineation of spammers vs legitimate posts, I would like to tweak the policy [0] and from now on a single spam message will move email addresses down a category: from authorized to moderated and from moderated to unsubscribed. I have changed the policy statement

[Numpy-discussion] Re: spam on the mailing lists

Update: we now have a team of moderators for the mailing list. The policy for moderation is in the list summary [0]. Since moderation began on Oct 26, we have rejected 15 spam messages, unsubscribed 2 email addresses that spammed more than 3 each, and released 4 messages from moderated users

[Numpy-discussion] Re: spam on the mailing lists

The upside of discourse, though, is that those messages can be permanently deleted by moderators. In contrast, the mailing list archives appear unalterable... At any rate, those two messages (assuming we're talking about the same ones) don't appear to be spam, but rather a misunderstanding of

[Numpy-discussion] Re: spam on the mailing lists

It seems the spammers have figured out how to get onto discourse as well. The last two messages on https://discuss.python.org/t/pypi-user-feedback/11125/4 (on the python discourse instance) are the first I have seen there. Matti On 10/10/21 7:37 pm, Hameer Abbasi wrote: Hello everyone,

[Numpy-discussion] Re: spam on the mailing lists

On 10/10/2021 18:37, Hameer Abbasi wrote: > Hello everyone, > > Just my 2 cents: I marked a few of the actual spam e-mails on this > and the SciPy-user list as spam on my client, and it seems many > random e-mails get sent to spam now, from both the NumPy and SciPy lists. You should complain

[Numpy-discussion] Re: spam on the mailing lists

Hello everyone, Just my 2 cents: I marked a few of the actual spam e-mails on this and the SciPy-user list as spam on my client, and it seems many random e-mails get sent to spam now, from both the NumPy and SciPy lists. I’ve tried to pull as many out as possible by moving them to inbox,

[Numpy-discussion] Re: spam on the mailing lists

On Wed, Oct 6, 2021, at 13:57, Aaron Meurer wrote: > Coming back to earth on the original discussion, is there really no > way to moderate new users on the mailing list platform used by this > list (mailman?)? On the SymPy list, which uses Google Groups, we > moderate all new users, so that first

[Numpy-discussion] Re: spam on the mailing lists

Coming back to earth on the original discussion, is there really no way to moderate new users on the mailing list platform used by this list (mailman?)? On the SymPy list, which uses Google Groups, we moderate all new users, so that first time posts have to be moderated but after that people can

[Numpy-discussion] Re: spam on the mailing lists

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[Numpy-discussion] Re: spam on the mailing lists

On Wed, 2021-09-29 at 11:07 -0700, Stefan van der Walt wrote: > On Wed, Sep 29, 2021, at 03:02, Ralf Gommers wrote: > > We don't have admin access to the python.org lists, so this is a > > bit of a problem. We have never had a spam problem, so we can ask > > to block this user first. If it

[Numpy-discussion] Re: spam on the mailing lists

Judging by the support of it, I'll check whether I missed the whole point of Discourse when I was trying to use it, in the meantime. On Fri, Oct 1, 2021 at 7:57 PM Stephan Hoyer wrote: > On Fri, Oct 1, 2021 at 10:21 AM Ilhan Polat wrote: > >> > GitHub Discussions is more of a Q platform, like

[Numpy-discussion] Re: spam on the mailing lists

On Fri, Oct 1, 2021 at 10:21 AM Ilhan Polat wrote: > > GitHub Discussions is more of a Q platform, like Stackoverflow. I > don't think it really makes sense for free form discussion. > > I don't see how it is to be honest. I'm hearing this complaint quite > often but I can't see how that is.

[Numpy-discussion] Re: spam on the mailing lists

> I’m firmly against GH discussions because of the upvoting mechanism. We don’t need to be Reddit or SO. .NET had a bad experience with the discussions as well [1]. They are not used, by default, it's date ordered you can choose whichever. Voting plays no role unless you want to sort by votes. >

[Numpy-discussion] Re: spam on the mailing lists

On Fri, Oct 1, 2021 at 8:55 AM Matthew Brett wrote: > Only to say that: > > * I used to have a very firm preference for mail, because I'm pretty > happy with Gmail as a mail interface, and I didn't want to have > another channel I had to monitor, but > * I've spent more time on Discourse over

[Numpy-discussion] Re: spam on the mailing lists

Only to say that: * I used to have a very firm preference for mail, because I'm pretty happy with Gmail as a mail interface, and I didn't want to have another channel I had to monitor, but * I've spent more time on Discourse over the last year, mainly on Jupyter, but I have also set up instances

[Numpy-discussion] Re: spam on the mailing lists

On Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 3:35 AM Andras Deak wrote: > Hi All, > > Today both of the python.org mailing lists I'm subscribed to (numpy and > scipy-dev) got the same kind of link shortener spam. I assume all the > mailing lists started getting these, and that these won't go away for a > while. >

[Numpy-discussion] Re: spam on the mailing lists

I’m firmly against GH discussions because of the upvoting mechanism. We don’t need to be Reddit or SO. .NET had a bad experience with the discussions as well [1]. [1] https://github.com/dotnet/aspnetcore/issues/29935 — Rohit On 1 Oct 2021, at 15:04, Andras Deak wrote: > On Fri, Oct 1, 2021

[Numpy-discussion] Re: spam on the mailing lists

On Fri, Oct 1, 2021 at 4:27 PM Ilhan Polat wrote: > The reason why I mentioned GH discussions is that literally everybody who > is engaged with the code, is familiar with the format, included in the > codebase product and has replies in built unlike the Discourse (opinion is > mine) useless flat

[Numpy-discussion] Re: spam on the mailing lists

The reason why I mentioned GH discussions is that literally everybody who is engaged with the code, is familiar with the format, included in the codebase product and has replies in built unlike the Discourse (opinion is mine) useless flat discussion design where replies are all over the place just

[Numpy-discussion] Re: spam on the mailing lists

Hi, On Fri, Oct 1, 2021 at 1:57 PM Rohit Goswami wrote: > > I guess then the approach overall would evolve to something like using the > mailing list to announce discourse posts which need input. Though I would > assume that the web interface essentially makes the mailing list almost like >

[Numpy-discussion] Re: spam on the mailing lists

I guess then the approach overall would evolve to something like using the mailing list to announce discourse posts which need input. Though I would assume that the web interface essentially makes the mailing list almost like discourse, even for new users. The real issue IMO is still the

[Numpy-discussion] Re: spam on the mailing lists

Hi, On Fri, Oct 1, 2021 at 1:54 AM Rohit Goswami wrote: > > Although it is true that discourse is easier for newcomers in a lot of ways, > it is far worse for governance and consensus. The mailing list, by having > essentially sequential topics sent out to all subscribers is easier to keep >

[Numpy-discussion] Re: spam on the mailing lists

To add to that, while it is redundant to maintain both a mailing list and a discourse, the latter requires significantly more moderation and policy (eg. What happens if users delete posts / accounts). It is a non trivial amount of work which I think should not be underestimated. A lot of other

[Numpy-discussion] Re: spam on the mailing lists

Although it is true that discourse is easier for newcomers in a lot of ways, it is far worse for governance and consensus. The mailing list, by having essentially sequential topics sent out to all subscribers is easier to keep track of than a large number of forum topics.

[Numpy-discussion] Re: spam on the mailing lists

On Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 7:55 PM Juan Nunez-Iglesias wrote: > On scikit-image, we've moderated *subscriptions*, and only subscribers can > post without being moderated, but still spam gets through, because it's > hard to vet whether an email address is "genuine", so sometimes we allow > the

[Numpy-discussion] Re: spam on the mailing lists

On scikit-image, we've moderated *subscriptions*, and only subscribers can post without being moderated, but still spam gets through, because it's hard to vet whether an email address is "genuine", so sometimes we allow the subscription, and immediately receive resulting spam. A "reputation"

[Numpy-discussion] Re: spam on the mailing lists

On 29/9/21 9:07 pm, Stefan van der Walt wrote: On Wed, Sep 29, 2021, at 03:02, Ralf Gommers wrote: We don't have admin access to the python.org lists, so this is a bit of a problem. We have never had a spam problem, so we can ask to block this user first. If it continues

[Numpy-discussion] Re: spam on the mailing lists

On Wed, Sep 29, 2021, at 14:39, Ralf Gommers wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 11:32 PM Stefan van der Walt > wrote: >> __ >> On Wed, Sep 29, 2021, at 13:58, Ralf Gommers wrote: >>> This was discussed in the community meeting today. No one was really >>> enthusiastic, concerns that were

[Numpy-discussion] Re: spam on the mailing lists

On Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 11:32 PM Stefan van der Walt wrote: > On Wed, Sep 29, 2021, at 13:58, Ralf Gommers wrote: > > This was discussed in the community meeting today. No one was really > enthusiastic, concerns that were brought up included the lack of an email > interface, and an unclear

[Numpy-discussion] Re: spam on the mailing lists

On Wed, Sep 29, 2021, at 13:58, Ralf Gommers wrote: > This was discussed in the community meeting today. No one was really > enthusiastic, concerns that were brought up included the lack of an email > interface, and an unclear boundary between issues and discussions. FWIW, Discourse has an

[Numpy-discussion] Re: spam on the mailing lists

On Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 12:51 PM Ilhan Polat wrote: > I'd like to reheat the proposition that we enable discussion feature on > GitHub for the repos. Not only this makes things a bit more streamlined > (transfer nonbug reports to discussions to handle noise there) but also > makes it easier to

[Numpy-discussion] Re: spam on the mailing lists

On Wed, Sep 29, 2021, at 03:02, Ralf Gommers wrote: > We don't have admin access to the python.org lists, so this is a bit of a > problem. We have never had a spam problem, so we can ask to block this user > first. If it continues to happen, we may be able to moderate new subscriber > emails,

[Numpy-discussion] Re: spam on the mailing lists

Yes, there is also lots of such spam on other @python.org mailing lists lately. I sent a message to postmaster / python.org about it earlier today. Will get back once there is a response. -- Roman On 29/09/2021 11:28, Andras Deak wrote: On Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 11:15 AM Ralf Gommers

[Numpy-discussion] Re: spam on the mailing lists

I'd like to reheat the proposition that we enable discussion feature on GitHub for the repos. Not only this makes things a bit more streamlined (transfer nonbug reports to discussions to handle noise there) but also makes it easier to control the discussions. Moreover since it is GitHub there are

[Numpy-discussion] Re: spam on the mailing lists

On Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 12:02 PM Ralf Gommers wrote: > > > On Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 11:33 AM Andras Deak > wrote: > >> On Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 11:28 AM Andras Deak >> wrote: >> >>> On Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 11:15 AM Ralf Gommers >>> wrote: >>> On Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 9:32 AM

[Numpy-discussion] Re: spam on the mailing lists

On Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 11:33 AM Andras Deak wrote: > On Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 11:28 AM Andras Deak > wrote: > >> On Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 11:15 AM Ralf Gommers >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 9:32 AM Andras Deak >>> wrote: >>> Hi All, Today both of the

[Numpy-discussion] Re: spam on the mailing lists

On Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 11:15 AM Ralf Gommers wrote: > > > On Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 9:32 AM Andras Deak wrote: > >> Hi All, >> >> Today both of the python.org mailing lists I'm subscribed to (numpy and >> scipy-dev) got the same kind of link shortener spam. I assume all the >> mailing lists

[Numpy-discussion] Re: spam on the mailing lists

On Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 9:32 AM Andras Deak wrote: > Hi All, > > Today both of the python.org mailing lists I'm subscribed to (numpy and > scipy-dev) got the same kind of link shortener spam. I assume all the > mailing lists started getting these, and that these won't go away for a > while. > I