RE: [obc] the Norm Pull
By popular request, the West of Quebec Wheelers Norm Pull will now be held on SATURDAY NOV. 16 instead of the previously announced Sunday, Nov. 17. Again, SATURDAY NOV 16 is the new date for the Norm Pull. www.wqwheelers.com Kevin Nelson - For list help, please send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Website: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
[obc] West of Quebec Wheelers Tour du Pont
Tour des Ponts (Fall Colours) Ride Hosted by the West of Quebec Wheelers Departing October 6th at 9:30am from the Cheshire Cat Pub 2193 Richardson Side Road, Carp Fee: $20.00 WQW Members / $25.00 Non-Members (please bring exact change) Registration: 8:45 9:15am Your fee includes an afternoon post-ride meal and pint at the pub. There will be a choice of vegetarian lasagne or steak and mushrooms with chips. The selection is made at the time of registration. All participants must sign a waiver form when registering. No waiver, no ride. The Routes: 1. 120km (approx.) and includes a stop at Pine Lodge for a quick (we hope) lunch. Riders are responsible for the cost of this meal. 2. 160km (approx.) and includes a short stop at a convenience store to stock up. The Philosophy: In the spirit of all WQW rides we hope to cycle in groups not solo. Two groups will likely be formed for the 160 km route (sportif and not so sportif). Depending on rider abilities, the 120km participants will ride as a single pack for most of the trip or may form two packs at the halfway point. Please be responsible for others in your group (especially the friends you've brought along) and avoid dropping riders. Be aware of what's happening around you. We are out to have a good cycle and see the colours, not to compete with other riders. If you are uncertain about your abilities and what group to ride with, please speak to the organizers at registration. Notice of Intention to Register: To assist staff at the Cheshire Cat in planning the meals we request you send us a short e-mail if you are committed to the tour. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Co-ordinators and Contact numbers: Brian Lindblom/Nancy Dobson - Tel: 728-1059 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Larry Hagar - Tel: 684-0727 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - For list help, please send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Website: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
[obc] New time trial pages
Just wanted to say nice job on the time trail pages on the club website. Very clean, easy to read, and very fast to load. I liked the ability to look up all my results quickly, and also to see the results in my category. And it was fast!!! Good job Rod. Kevin Nelson - For list help, please send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Website: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
[obc] Velonews interview with Gord Fraser
http://www.velonews.com/race/dom/articles/2926.0.html Kevin Nelson - For list help, please send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Website: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
RE: [obc] Champlain Bridge - Oh dear!
Instead of sighing out loud on this forum, why not try calling or e-mailing someone at the NCC? The bridge is new, the three lane idea is new problems will be worked out I'm sure but unless they are made aware of the problems they can't be worked out. I doubt anybody from the NCC Engineering Construction branch reads this forum and I no longer work there. Kevin Nelson - For list help, please send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Website: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
[obc] bikes and music
From www.globeandmail.com - the facts and arguments page. Composers and bicycles The invention of the bicycle sparked a social revolution in the 19th century, writes Graeme Fife in BBC Music magazine. Composers celebrated the joys of the velocipede in song (and musical wags made reference to Wagner's Ring cycle). Some notes about classical composers and bikes: I seem to be absolutely born for the cycle, wrote Gustav Mahler (1860-1911), and I've already reached the stage where all the horses avoid me, but I'm still not good at ringing my bell. He claimed that only cycling offered any relief from the chronic pain of his hemorrhoids. The plot of the opera Fedora, by Umberto Giordano (1867-1948) included an abduction by bicycle. Ernest Chausson (1855-99), the death-obsessed French composer, died when he was pitched from his bike and he struck a stone wall head first. When Sir Edward Elgar (1857-1934), a keen biker, was knighted in 1904, he cycled 50 miles to break the good news to his elderly father. Kevin Nelson - For list help, please send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Website: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
[obc] computer pannier?
Does anybody know of a pannier that is designed specifically for carrying a lap-top computer? Thanks Kevin Nelson - For list help, please send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter - ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
[obc] Asticou
Sportable @ Asticou Starts this Wednesday. 8 races on Wed. during July August. I believe the start time is 6:30. Open for all. Call the store for more info. Sorry, its going to be as hot and muggy as last year (at least this week) Kevin Nelson - For list help, please send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter - ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
[obc] Maps
Since making maps puts bread on my table I feel adequately qualified to comment on this subject. Producing maps can be expensive. Today, all maps are created using GIS (Geographic Information Systems) - computer software that combines graphics (lines representing roads, shapes representing lakes etc.) with attribute information about those graphics (road names, lake names etc.) Desktop versions of these systems start at $2000. Then you need to buy data, although a lot can be had for free if you know how to find it. Then you need to manipulate the graphics based on the attributes. Then you need to decide how to publish the data. And when teh data changes - a new road gets built, or a dirt road gets paved, somebody has to update the database. The prohibiting factor in these types of initiatives is time - time is expensive. Publishing takes two forms (at least as has been requested on this list), internet or hardcopy (paper). Internet mapping is a world in itself. There are two general options: provide map images (in .jpg, .bmp etc) of a map that a GIS technician has prepared. End users on the internet access this image the same as opening a picture of say, Lance Armstrong, but a map image is generally quite large - it has to be in order to provide the necessary information in a legible manner. This causes issues with file storage, download time, and end users having the right tool to view the map etc. These are all issues that can be overcome, but not easily or cheaply. The other option is more interactive for the end user, but very expensive. It involves a GIS web server (hardware), another type of GIS web software, and time spent developing a user interface to simplify the access for end-users i.e. programming a button to display the OBC route from Ottawa to Manotick. This is the future of the mapping industry, but right now, a minimum cost of $50,000 to implement would be my best guess. (Most ISP's don't have the required type of server). An example of this type of website is Mapquest. Hardcopy maps again require lots of time. The same data would be used to do the internet mapping, or the hardcopy maps, but it is a question of time. How to colour the roads, how to label the roadnames, what size paper to put it on etc. I don't think the OBC could sell enough to make the investment worthwhile. So although the idea is great, and it would be fun for someone like me to do, I don't think that we are going to see OBC route maps on the internet anytime soon, or an official OBC hardcopy map for sale in the stores. Time to produce and cost of producing are just too prohibitive at this time. Many people have mentionned great alternatives here. try them. Or, get out on your bike, turn down a road and see where you end up. kevin Kevin Nelson - For list help, please send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter - ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
RE: [obc] Sunday morning ride maps?
I (by choice) rolled off the back of the (extra) Sportif Touring group after Russell last Sunday. choice huh? wondered where you went. Kevin Nelson - For list help, please send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter - ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
[obc] Rolf Wheels - maintenance
I know these are supposed to be low maintenance wheels, but after nearly 10,000km on mine, what if anything should be done? Does anyone know? I can't find any information anywhere. Thanks Kevin Kevin Nelson - For list help, please send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter - ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
RE: [obc] TT results on OBC website
They're coming. Kevin Nelson - For list help, please send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter - ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
RE: [obc] got my answer
Sounds like a Yes wheel regs in effect for all sanctioned racing. Opinions? I won't quewstion the reasoning, but my problem is this: I ride on Rolf Vector Comps (which I have now found out are illegal), I do mostly unsanctionned training races and maybe one or two sanctionned races a year. It will cost me between $600 - $800 to get a pair of legal wheels (at least the ones that I want). So, I probably won't do that just for a couple of races a year. Which means I will just continue with the non-sanctionned training races only :-( Question: how much could I expect to pay for a pair of 32-spoke wheels with a standard rim (say a Mavic Open Pro) on Ultegra Hubs? Kevin Nelson -- Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
[obc] Tronna
Oh yes. I remember Toronto riding. Nothing improves your bike handling like dodging traffic in 6 different lanes, and, streetcar tracks. We are very lucky in Ottawa. With the parkways and wide roads, some with bike lanes or shoulders, going in all directions, getting around Ottawa by bike is simple and safe. And Gatineau Park is only 20 minutes away - by bike. Some people in Toronto drive two hours to go for a three hour ride in a place not even close to being like the Park. Then they drive two hours to go home. Not my idea of fun. If I hadn't moved here, I probably would have quit cycling. Kevin Nelson -- Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
[obc] Lets just go for a ride
Regardless of the formalities of who runs this list (Greg Franks, Topica .. whatever) this list exists to provide another means of getting information to Ottawa Bicycle Club members, and for OBC members to have a common discussion area (hence, OBC in the list name!). Pointe finale. Unfortunately because of the type of posts that have been on here in the last couple of days, many OBC members refuse to look here any more. The history of this list is well lined with attacks against the OBC in general and personal attacks against individuals. Sadly I don't blame people for ignoring some of the crap. Mr. Slavitch, you are not helping matters. The usefulness of this list is sadly diminished from what it once was. As much as people agree or disagree with the concept of a formalized Board of Directors to run a club, for a club like the OBC, to offer all of the various activities it does, and do it as well as the OBC does, the Board is needed. People get the chance to be on the board, pick who is on the board and bitch at the board. The last option is arguably more popular. Hey everybody, if you don't like how something works, let us on the board know in a constructive manner. Don't just bitch. I at least, am going to ignore all bitchy people from now on! The roads are drying, the temperature is warming up, the trees will soon be green and shading the wonderful roads we have at our fingertips. Now go ride your bikes. Kevin Nelson Director at large -- Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
[obc]
I never made mention of Manny in my message ... I am referring to people who have a proven history of writing negative, accusatory comments in regards to OBC activities, and also personally against OBC Board members. And I am also referring to people who have never participated in OBC activities this year, but in late September they decided to join the club. One must ask why? ... my guess is so that they can come to the AGM and vote. While its true that all members are allowed an equal vote according to the constitution, I fail to understand what reason people would have to vote if they have not taken part in any of the club events. Many people have written to me since my posting saying they want to be part of a CYCLING club, not a political organization. I could not agree more with this statement, I have been saying this since I started as a Board member. My post was an attempt to bring to light issues of another group with political interests taking over the OBC (taking over is an actual quote I heard). I supported Avery so loudly because he is determined to keep the focus of the OBC on those events that members have shown interest in. Maybe my method was flawed, but I am not going to apologize for doing what I have done. And I truly wish I could be at the AGM where I could have brought these things to light in a more proper way. Unfortunately, I am currently in Vancouver for work. I wish you all well tonight. I hope things don't get out of hand, but that all issues are discussed in a thoughtful, meaningful way. Kevin Nelson -- To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED], (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter ==^ EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email was sent to: archive@jab.org T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
[obc] Annual General Meeting
While most people have probably started to think about skiing instead of cycling by now, there is still one very important activity left for OBC members. The Annual General Meeting will be held on Wed. Oct 24. Historically, interest in the AGM from most OBC members is very low. This is wrong because to be blunt about, the AGM is where the Board of Directors is selected for the next year - this is the group of people that decided how to spend YOUR membership fees and organize YOUR events. This year, although I am a Director of the club, I will not be able to attend due to work committments. I feel quite bad about this because I am hearing rumours that some of the people who are planning to attend the AGM are people who have publicly and loudly pronounced their disapproval of the OBC, the current board of directors and the President, Avery Burdett in particular. Some of these people are from other cycling groups. I have heard it said that these people want to take over the OBC for the other groups purposes. This is very troubling as it may mean a change in the types of programs that the OBC offers (i.e. no more time trials maybe?). I do know that a lot of these people are not necessarily interested in the same type of cycling that the OBC and its members tend to focus their energies on - group tours for all abilities (beginners to racers), time trials, overnight tours etc. For the first time in my experience in the club, there is an election race for the position of President. For the past two years I think Avery has done an excellent job of keeping the club finances in check, keeping interest in many different activities high, representing the interests of the OBC cyclists and helping the other directors in managing the wide variety of events the OBC offers you. As we all know, he is extremely passionate about all types of cycling. He has been seen on his bike at almost every OBC activity. Each year he has been involved has been better than the last. He is more than capable of carrying on in these duties. I urge all OBC members to think about how they want their club to continue. It is crucial this year as there is a risk that all of the hard work that Avery and the current Board have put in may be lost. Please do your part and come out and vote to keep things progressing for the better. Kevin Nelson -- To unsubscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED], (613) 230-1064 Web/mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb/Newsletter ==^ EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email was sent to: archive@jab.org T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
