[obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI?
saya bukan fund manager kok, saya org kecil doang. tp saya tahu ada bbrp fund manager yg beli bumi di 900,950,990,940,900,850,800,750,710. spt anda, saya temen temen saya beli BUMI juga pas gembar gembor di 960 krn wkt itu kata 'fundamentalist' bisa 1200-1500. nah pas 1000 saya gak jual krn kejadiannya cepet sekali. pas 900 saya jual.temen saya hold terus dan masi senyum senyum. saya hanya bisa meringis krn gak kuat, takut. sekarang pas di 710 anda tahu siapa yg bisa tersenyum lega? saya pernah baca di buku apa gitu, org yg gak mau cut loss/take profit spt org yg cuman mau menarik napas, gak mau ngehembusin balik. alhasil akhirnya akan meledak sendiri. saham bagus patut mahal, dan akan dibuat lebih mahal.saham murah patut murah dan akan dibuat lebih murah.sebab akibat.ferrari enzo gak mungkin harganya honda jazz kan? sorry kalo udah ngelantur, kita cuman berdiskusi sehat sharing pengalaman buat yg baru-2 masuk di hutan yg jahat ini. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, redyherinantoalb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Btw, anda fund manager ya Saya juga lho... fund manager of myself reksadana :D Redy --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, up_trends up_trends@ wrote: terus terang saya gak tahan kalo diiris bandar 5%aja. itu saya bilang bukan investing, suicide is more appropriate. gmn tanggung jawab fund manager reksadana gimana bisa compete dgn fund fund yg lain? gini aja deh, kalo bumi bisa naik 70% saya yakin ada alternative saham yg bisa naik 100% or more. anda mau naik kuda or donkey?:) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, redyherinantoalb redyherinantoalb@ wrote: Kalo kelihatan di guyur kenceng kenapa tidak Kita harus flexible to??? bottom line nya kan BUMI masih bagus profitability nya, siapa tahu besok saya malah nabrak di atas 750... begitu juga anda... who knows... :)) Redy --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, up_trends up_trends@ wrote: asal jgn nanti diganti wait dibawah 600 yah pak?:) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, redyherinantoalb redyherinantoalb@ wrote: Iya di dunia saham kalo di real world seh ada aja... :)) Time will tell about BUMI... but I agreed with Frederick about it there is no problem at all about BUMI profitability... that the most important I don't know what scenario, but I waited it below 700... Let see... Redy --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, up_trends up_trends@ wrote: waduh, bung redy sering edi tansil? kasian, cepat berobat pak. serius bgt neh semua. and sell it at 2700? Joke... joke... :D It's call Edi Tansil... or goyang dikit udah keluar :)) Joke aa... saya juga sering gitu kok yah and buy back at 2900 to sell them all at 6100? hahaha. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, redyherinantoalb redyherinantoalb@ wrote: ( haha, yeah rite, unfortunately, i was wise enough to invest in untr at 2500 at that time ) and sell it at 2700? Joke... joke... :D It's call Edi Tansil... or goyang dikit udah keluar :)) Joke aa... saya juga sering gitu kok Redy Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI?
hehehe ... makin seru aja nih up_trends wrote: funny when some people said this stock is good but actually they still dont invest in it. if u are sure enough bumi is going to 1200, why u still don't have bumi? :) --- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com mailto:obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert pemainbesar@ ... wrote: nopebut i may be looking at heavily investing some big chunk of my fund and may forecast for BUMI fair value is more than 1,200 rups.. but, what u said reminded me to an event when i told people that Telkom's fair value is at 9,000 rups...at that times Telkom's share price was at 4,400haha peace ah.. up_trends [EMAIL PROTECTED] .. wrote: I'm guessing u have bumi? well good luck :) --- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com mailto:obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert pemainbesar@ wrote: don't have any problem with my investment.. .my problem now is that i don't understand with what you said... peace up_trends up_trends@ wrote: the problem is are u strong enough to see other stocks rally giving u a whooping 20%+ gain while bumi ... :) --- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com mailto:obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert pemainbesar@ wrote: well... come on...be realistic... and please separate corporate action and assets as of September 30 2006 (next 9-month earnings), BUMI's assets should remain at IDR16.99 trillion, compared with PTBA of ONLY IDR2.68 trillion, or INCO of IDR15.23 trillion or ANTM of IDR6.6 trillion. If BUMI CAN manage its current debts by any kind of refinancing or loan bridging or whatsoever.. ..BUMI mabe as attractive as Inco... The question for BUMI is how they can manage their cash flow...and maintain its loyal foreign buyers So, with or without selling KPC and ARUTMIN, which are the largest coal miner by ASSETS and reserves, BUMI still has potential for long term investment. cheers ariabela@ wrote: Sepertinya, pade kalah 'senior' semua sama yg punyanya, ya - nanti lama2 juga akan terlupakan/terseles aikan dg sendirinya.. . Aria Asetnya BUMI keliatannya masih menarik dhe.. ie :Arutmin, KPC etc... tapi manajemennya, ,yakkhh. - Original Message - From: up_trends To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com mailto:obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 3:54 PM Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI? what goes around comes around. boongin berita di bumi, ketimpa sial lumpur enrg. minum deh tuh lumpur sampe kenyang. --- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com mailto:obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, Jamal Nasution jamal@ wrote: klo cp nya beli banyak berarti mo kesana tapi klo belinya cuma dikit berarti barang banyak nyangkut itu riset kapan? sesudah pembatalan KPC ya - Original Message - From: Handika Wisnu To: Bandar Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 12:43 PM Subject: [obrolan-bandar] masih layakkah BUMI? Saya saat ini megang saham BUMI dalam jumlah yg lumayan banyak (menurut saya) karena dulu terpikat dgn janji mo bagi dividen Rp 200/saham. Nah, yg mo saya tanyain...apakah BUMI masih layak dipertahankan ato tidak? Soalnya hasil dari cut loss ini akan saya alihkan untuk invest options di US market yg return-nya rata2 10% per bulan (strategi konservatif) . Tapi barusan saya baca review BEJ dari pusat riset Valbury bilang klo BUMI msh pny masa depan yg bagus, keliatan dari banyaknya bank2 luar negeri yg msh mo memberikan pinjaman hingga 2x yg diminta. Katanya ini menunjukkan bahwa BUMI msh dipercaya sama investor luar. Plus target dlm 3 bulan bisa balik ke 950...dan jika dihitung fair value based on asset dan Gordon growth model masih di Rp1100 - Rp1200 Minta sarannya donk bwt yg sudah senior...mesti diapain ya saham ini? Soalnya siklus dari pasar options di US market tu tiap akhir October bakal ada major momentum. sayang bgt klo ! ampe kelewat Terimakasih banyak Kutipan dari pusat riset Valbury : Special Mention: BUMI: 690-810. Best buy below IDR690. The fact that it has secured a foreign bank syndicated loan shows that foreign investors have still high confidence in BUMI's future. If everything goes on smoothly, BUMI may return to visit IDR950 within threee months. Fair value based on assets and Gordon growth methodology remains at IDR1,100-IDR1, 200
[obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI?
trend follower, hmm blta,saya inget pas sama bumi harga sama sama di 670. tau pas saya cut bumi saya switch ke apa ?average up BLTA. bbrp saham yg anda punya juga saya punya. price di brp saya gak usah sebut.nanti dibilang boong lagi. hayo jawab siapa yg tadi tiba tiba ngaku suka eddy tansil?:) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, redyherinantoalb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Iya juga seh he he he... memang PTBA lebih mahal dari harga maupun PER nya, padahal perusahaannya belum tentu lebih bagus, so saya gak mau masuk situ... cukup ikut dari 2000 (waktu masih murah) ke 3rban (mahal booo, sell sell sell, besok kalau relnya jadi buy buy buy) so, anda investor apa??? kalo saya contrarian cari saham bagus yang valuasinya masih rendah kalo saya bilang saya masih hold BLTA harga 800 anda percaya Saya masih hold Pgas harga 5000 anda percaya... saya juga masih hold isat harga 5800 tuh, dan saya gak ada masalah dengan tidur saya kok :D mungkin sedikit dengan Edi Tansil tadi wakakakakak. sante aja pak... saya percaya nilai wajar BUMI diatas 1000, masalahnya saya pengen dapat harga yang terbaik... so saya masih tahan diri that just me Redy --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, up_trends up_trends@ wrote: semua fundamental bagus bahkan yg spt anda bilang lebih bagus dr ptba. satu pertanyaan saya. kok ptba harganya bisa lebih mahal yah? bahkan warrantnya harganya dulu bisa lebih tinggi dr BUMI? harganya salah?kemahalan kah warrantnya, apa investornya salah ? ato perusahaannya yg salah? ato market yg salah? tp sih org punya prinsip sendiri. saya mau bisa tidur tenangpergi berlibur kayak Mbah. :) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, redyherinantoalb redyherinantoalb@ wrote: You buy Jaka, CNKO, RAJA, SUBA etc... that suicide in case of BUMI I think it's because Lapindo and Bakrie negatif sentiment when it's over... and it will then BUMI will be bright again... it's the biggest and best best mining in Indonesia even the world PTBA is peanut compare with it, itu tambang permukaan, dengan batubara Hi Cal, itulah kenapa operating cost nya begitu murah... operating cost murah harga batubara Hi Calory tinggi... profit tinggi... seharusnya share value up juga kan Btw, anda fund manager ya Saya juga lho... fund manager of myself reksadana :D Redy --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, up_trends up_trends@ wrote: terus terang saya gak tahan kalo diiris bandar 5%aja. itu saya bilang bukan investing, suicide is more appropriate. gmn tanggung jawab fund manager reksadana gimana bisa compete dgn fund fund yg lain? gini aja deh, kalo bumi bisa naik 70% saya yakin ada alternative saham yg bisa naik 100% or more. anda mau naik kuda or donkey?:) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, redyherinantoalb redyherinantoalb@ wrote: Kalo kelihatan di guyur kenceng kenapa tidak Kita harus flexible to??? bottom line nya kan BUMI masih bagus profitability nya, siapa tahu besok saya malah nabrak di atas 750... begitu juga anda... who knows... :)) Redy --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, up_trends up_trends@ wrote: asal jgn nanti diganti wait dibawah 600 yah pak?:) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, redyherinantoalb redyherinantoalb@ wrote: Iya di dunia saham kalo di real world seh ada aja... :)) Time will tell about BUMI... but I agreed with Frederick about it there is no problem at all about BUMI profitability... that the most important I don't know what scenario, but I waited it below 700... Let see... Redy --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, up_trends up_trends@ wrote: waduh, bung redy sering edi tansil? kasian, cepat berobat pak. serius bgt neh semua. and sell it at 2700? Joke... joke... :D It's call Edi Tansil... or goyang dikit udah keluar :)) Joke aa... saya juga sering gitu kok yah and buy back at 2900 to sell them all at 6100? hahaha. --- In obrolan- [EMAIL PROTECTED], redyherinantoalb redyherinantoalb@ wrote: ( haha, yeah rite, unfortunately, i was wise enough to invest in untr at 2500 at that time ) and sell it at 2700? Joke... joke... :D It's call Edi Tansil... or goyang dikit udah keluar :)) Joke aa... saya juga sering gitu kok Redy Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the
[obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI?
He he he kalo tidak suka di tuduh boong jangan suka menuduh orang boong dong masalah edi tansil kita sudahi disini ya... hanya saya, istri, selingkuhan dan Tuhan yang tahu wakakakakakak Emang saya punya saham apa aja tho Kalo saya bilang saya hanya pengamat yang belum maen saham gimana Kalo saya bilang saya the real big bozz yang lagi mantau gimana??? Yang jelas saya pake nama asli... nothing to hide sante aja ya pak just share oppinion if you feel good take it, if not leave it don't include pride in it... not worth it I just feel it's not approriate for Mr. Fs, He post with good faith, you like?? take it if not leave it... keep it simple adapt with your style and confidence Redy --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, up_trends [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: trend follower, hmm blta,saya inget pas sama bumi harga sama sama di 670. tau pas saya cut bumi saya switch ke apa ?average up BLTA. bbrp saham yg anda punya juga saya punya. price di brp saya gak usah sebut.nanti dibilang boong lagi. hayo jawab siapa yg tadi tiba tiba ngaku suka eddy tansil?:) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, redyherinantoalb redyherinantoalb@ wrote: Iya juga seh he he he... memang PTBA lebih mahal dari harga maupun PER nya, padahal perusahaannya belum tentu lebih bagus, so saya gak mau masuk situ... cukup ikut dari 2000 (waktu masih murah) ke 3rban (mahal booo, sell sell sell, besok kalau relnya jadi buy buy buy) so, anda investor apa??? kalo saya contrarian cari saham bagus yang valuasinya masih rendah kalo saya bilang saya masih hold BLTA harga 800 anda percaya Saya masih hold Pgas harga 5000 anda percaya... saya juga masih hold isat harga 5800 tuh, dan saya gak ada masalah dengan tidur saya kok :D mungkin sedikit dengan Edi Tansil tadi wakakakakak. sante aja pak... saya percaya nilai wajar BUMI diatas 1000, masalahnya saya pengen dapat harga yang terbaik... so saya masih tahan diri that just me Redy --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, up_trends up_trends@ wrote: semua fundamental bagus bahkan yg spt anda bilang lebih bagus dr ptba. satu pertanyaan saya. kok ptba harganya bisa lebih mahal yah? bahkan warrantnya harganya dulu bisa lebih tinggi dr BUMI? harganya salah?kemahalan kah warrantnya, apa investornya salah ? ato perusahaannya yg salah? ato market yg salah? tp sih org punya prinsip sendiri. saya mau bisa tidur tenangpergi berlibur kayak Mbah. :) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, redyherinantoalb redyherinantoalb@ wrote: You buy Jaka, CNKO, RAJA, SUBA etc... that suicide in case of BUMI I think it's because Lapindo and Bakrie negatif sentiment when it's over... and it will then BUMI will be bright again... it's the biggest and best best mining in Indonesia even the world PTBA is peanut compare with it, itu tambang permukaan, dengan batubara Hi Cal, itulah kenapa operating cost nya begitu murah... operating cost murah harga batubara Hi Calory tinggi... profit tinggi... seharusnya share value up juga kan Btw, anda fund manager ya Saya juga lho... fund manager of myself reksadana :D Redy --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, up_trends up_trends@ wrote: terus terang saya gak tahan kalo diiris bandar 5%aja. itu saya bilang bukan investing, suicide is more appropriate. gmn tanggung jawab fund manager reksadana gimana bisa compete dgn fund fund yg lain? gini aja deh, kalo bumi bisa naik 70% saya yakin ada alternative saham yg bisa naik 100% or more. anda mau naik kuda or donkey?:) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, redyherinantoalb redyherinantoalb@ wrote: Kalo kelihatan di guyur kenceng kenapa tidak Kita harus flexible to??? bottom line nya kan BUMI masih bagus profitability nya, siapa tahu besok saya malah nabrak di atas 750... begitu juga anda... who knows... :)) Redy --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, up_trends up_trends@ wrote: asal jgn nanti diganti wait dibawah 600 yah pak?:) --- In obrolan- [EMAIL PROTECTED], redyherinantoalb redyherinantoalb@ wrote: Iya di dunia saham kalo di real world seh ada aja... :)) Time will tell about BUMI... but I agreed with Frederick about it there is no problem at all about BUMI profitability... that the most important I don't know what scenario, but I waited it below 700... Let see... Redy --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, up_trends
[obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI?
perasaaan saya dr td nyantai aja. jgn jgn anda yg dr tadi dah panas dingin ngeliatin . dr td ngomong nyantai aja. mungkin anda dah terlalu punya banyak bumi,jd ada yg nyinggung ttg bumi jd super defensive. i feel sorry for u dude. :) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, redyherinantoalb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He he he kalo tidak suka di tuduh boong jangan suka menuduh orang boong dong masalah edi tansil kita sudahi disini ya... hanya saya, istri, selingkuhan dan Tuhan yang tahu wakakakakakak Emang saya punya saham apa aja tho Kalo saya bilang saya hanya pengamat yang belum maen saham gimana Kalo saya bilang saya the real big bozz yang lagi mantau gimana??? Yang jelas saya pake nama asli... nothing to hide sante aja ya pak just share oppinion if you feel good take it, if not leave it don't include pride in it... not worth it I just feel it's not approriate for Mr. Fs, He post with good faith, you like?? take it if not leave it... keep it simple adapt with your style and confidence Redy --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, up_trends up_trends@ wrote: trend follower, hmm blta,saya inget pas sama bumi harga sama sama di 670. tau pas saya cut bumi saya switch ke apa ?average up BLTA. bbrp saham yg anda punya juga saya punya. price di brp saya gak usah sebut.nanti dibilang boong lagi. hayo jawab siapa yg tadi tiba tiba ngaku suka eddy tansil?:) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, redyherinantoalb redyherinantoalb@ wrote: Iya juga seh he he he... memang PTBA lebih mahal dari harga maupun PER nya, padahal perusahaannya belum tentu lebih bagus, so saya gak mau masuk situ... cukup ikut dari 2000 (waktu masih murah) ke 3rban (mahal booo, sell sell sell, besok kalau relnya jadi buy buy buy) so, anda investor apa??? kalo saya contrarian cari saham bagus yang valuasinya masih rendah kalo saya bilang saya masih hold BLTA harga 800 anda percaya Saya masih hold Pgas harga 5000 anda percaya... saya juga masih hold isat harga 5800 tuh, dan saya gak ada masalah dengan tidur saya kok :D mungkin sedikit dengan Edi Tansil tadi wakakakakak. sante aja pak... saya percaya nilai wajar BUMI diatas 1000, masalahnya saya pengen dapat harga yang terbaik... so saya masih tahan diri that just me Redy --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, up_trends up_trends@ wrote: semua fundamental bagus bahkan yg spt anda bilang lebih bagus dr ptba. satu pertanyaan saya. kok ptba harganya bisa lebih mahal yah? bahkan warrantnya harganya dulu bisa lebih tinggi dr BUMI? harganya salah?kemahalan kah warrantnya, apa investornya salah ? ato perusahaannya yg salah? ato market yg salah? tp sih org punya prinsip sendiri. saya mau bisa tidur tenangpergi berlibur kayak Mbah. :) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, redyherinantoalb redyherinantoalb@ wrote: You buy Jaka, CNKO, RAJA, SUBA etc... that suicide in case of BUMI I think it's because Lapindo and Bakrie negatif sentiment when it's over... and it will then BUMI will be bright again... it's the biggest and best best mining in Indonesia even the world PTBA is peanut compare with it, itu tambang permukaan, dengan batubara Hi Cal, itulah kenapa operating cost nya begitu murah... operating cost murah harga batubara Hi Calory tinggi... profit tinggi... seharusnya share value up juga kan Btw, anda fund manager ya Saya juga lho... fund manager of myself reksadana :D Redy --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, up_trends up_trends@ wrote: terus terang saya gak tahan kalo diiris bandar 5%aja. itu saya bilang bukan investing, suicide is more appropriate. gmn tanggung jawab fund manager reksadana gimana bisa compete dgn fund fund yg lain? gini aja deh, kalo bumi bisa naik 70% saya yakin ada alternative saham yg bisa naik 100% or more. anda mau naik kuda or donkey?:) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, redyherinantoalb redyherinantoalb@ wrote: Kalo kelihatan di guyur kenceng kenapa tidak Kita harus flexible to??? bottom line nya kan BUMI masih bagus profitability nya, siapa tahu besok saya malah nabrak di atas 750... begitu juga anda... who knows... :)) Redy --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, up_trends up_trends@ wrote: asal jgn nanti diganti wait dibawah 600 yah pak?:) --- In obrolan- [EMAIL PROTECTED], redyherinantoalb redyherinantoalb@ wrote: Iya di dunia
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI?
Someone said that not ONLY the asset that you have to be focused, but you have to look for a GOOD MANAGEMENT too.I think for investor this will be better to know how good is the CG of company, if its ok than done.Frederick Schubert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: nopebut i may be looking at heavily investing some big chunk of my fund and may forecast for BUMI fair value is more than 1,200 rups..but, what u said reminded me to an event when i told people that Telkom's fair value is at 9,000 rups...at that times Telkom's share price was at 4,400haha peace ah..up_trends [EMAIL PROTECTED]com wrote: I'm guessing u have bumi? well good luck :)--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert pemainbesar@... wrote: don't have any problem with my investment...my problem now is that i don't understand with what you said... peace up_trends [EMAIL PROTECTED].. wrote: the problem is are u strong enough to see other stocks rally giving u a whooping 20%+ gain while bumi ... :) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert pemainbesar@ wrote: well... come on...be realistic... and please separate corporate action and assets as of September 30 2006 (next 9-month earnings), BUMI's assets should remain at IDR16.99 trillion, compared with PTBA of ONLY IDR2.68 trillion, or INCO of IDR15.23 trillion or ANTM of IDR6.6 trillion.If BUMI CAN manage its current debts by any kind of refinancing or loan bridging or whatsoeverBUMI mabe as attractive as Inco...The question for BUMI is how they can manage their cash flow...and maintain its loyal foreign buyersSo, with or without selling KPC and ARUTMIN, which are the largest coal miner by ASSETS and reserves, BUMI still has potential for long term investment.cheers ariabela@ wrote: Sepertinya, pade kalah 'senior' semua sama yg punyanya, ya - nanti lama2 juga akan terlupakan/terselesaikan dg sendirinya...Aria Asetnya BUMI keliatannya masih menarik dhe.. ie :Arutmin, KPC etc... tapi manajemennya,,yakkhh. - Original Message - From: up_trends To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 3:54 PM Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI? what goes around comes around. boongin berita di bumi, ketimpa sial lumpur enrg. minum deh tuh lumpur sampe kenyang. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "Jamal Nasution" jamal@ wrote: klo cp nya beli banyak berarti mo kesanatapi klo belinya cuma dikit berarti barang banyak nyangkut itu riset kapan? sesudah pembatalan KPC ya - Original Message -From: Handika WisnuTo: BandarSent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 12:43 PMSubject: [obrolan-bandar] masih layakkah BUMI? Saya saat ini megang saham BUMI dalam jumlah yg lumayan banyak (menurut saya) karena dulu terpikat dgn janji mo bagi dividen Rp 200/saham.Nah, yg mo saya tanyain...apakah BUMI masih layak dipertahankan ato tidak?Soalnya hasil dari cut loss ini akan saya alihkan untuk invest options di US market yg return-nya rata2 10% per bulan (strategi konservatif). Tapi barusan saya baca review BEJ dari pusat riset Valbury bilang klo BUMI msh pny masa depan yg bagus, keliatan dari banyaknya bank2 luar negeri yg msh mo memberikan pinjaman hingga 2x yg diminta.Katanya ini menunjukkan bahwa BUMI msh dipercaya sama investor luar.Plus target dlm 3 bulan bisa balik ke 950...dan jika dihitung fair value based on asset dan Gordon growth model masih di Rp1100 - Rp1200 Minta sarannya donk bwt yg sudah senior...mesti diapain ya saham ini?Soalnya siklus dari pasar options di US market tu tiap akhir October bakal ada major momentum. sayang bgt klo ! ampe kelewat Terimakasih banyak Kutipan dari pusat riset Valbury : Special Mention:BUMI: 690-810. Best buy below IDR690. The fact that it has secured a foreign bank syndicated loan shows thatforeign investors have still high confidence in BUMI's future. If everything goes on smoothly, BUMI mayreturn to visit IDR950 within threee months. Fair value based on assets and Gordon growth methodologyremains at IDR1,100-IDR1,200 -- --Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. - Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail.- Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail.Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out. __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS
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Maksimum 5% dari portofolio ada saham bakrie, dan short term saja, lumayan naik-turun dan liquid, dan pengalaman saya aman...:-D cheers iful --- redyherinantoalb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's not funny I konw someone still hold BUMI at avarage 30 rupiah 50.000 lot. I lost BUMI once, but with it's price now I considering to take it as long term investment althoung it will break mu oath not to buy Bakries anymore... :D Redy --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, up_trends [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: haha mr frederick u can be very funny sumtimes maybe Rp 35, or maybe Rp 990? or 1000? hihihi, i leave the answer to you. :) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert pemainbesar@ wrote: not that funnyi stll have some at an average of IDR35so...take an easy... hehe up_trends up_trends@ wrote: funny when some people said this stock is good but actually they still dont invest in it. if u are sure enough bumi is going to 1200, why u still don't have bumi? :) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert pemainbesar@ wrote: nopebut i may be looking at heavily investing some big chunk of my fund and may forecast for BUMI fair value is more than 1,200 rups.. but, what u said reminded me to an event when i told people that Telkom's fair value is at 9,000 rups...at that times Telkom's share price was at 4,400haha peace ah.. up_trends up_trends@ wrote: I'm guessing u have bumi? well good luck :) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert pemainbesar@ wrote: don't have any problem with my investment...my problem now is that i don't understand with what you said... peace up_trends up_trends@ wrote: the problem is are u strong enough to see other stocks rally giving u a whooping 20%+ gain while bumi ... :) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert pemainbesar@ wrote: well... come on...be realistic... and please separate corporate action and assets as of September 30 2006 (next 9-month earnings), BUMI's assets should remain at IDR16.99 trillion, compared with PTBA of ONLY IDR2.68 trillion, or INCO of IDR15.23 trillion or ANTM of IDR6.6 trillion. If BUMI CAN manage its current debts by any kind of refinancing or loan bridging or whatsoeverBUMI mabe as attractive as Inco... The question for BUMI is how they can manage their cash flow...and maintain its loyal foreign buyers So, with or without selling KPC and ARUTMIN, which are the largest coal miner by ASSETS and reserves, BUMI still has potential for long term investment. cheers ariabela@ wrote: Sepertinya, pade kalah 'senior' semua sama yg punyanya, ya - nanti lama2 juga akan terlupakan/terselesaikan dg sendirinya... Aria Asetnya BUMI keliatannya masih menarik dhe.. ie :Arutmin, KPC etc... tapi manajemennya,,yakkhh. - Original Message - From: up_trends To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 3:54 PM Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI? what goes around comes around. boongin berita di bumi, ketimpa sial lumpur enrg. minum deh tuh lumpur sampe kenyang. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Jamal Nasution jamal@ wrote: klo cp nya beli banyak berarti mo kesana tapi klo belinya cuma dikit berarti barang banyak nyangkut itu riset kapan? sesudah pembatalan KPC ya - Original Message - From: Handika Wisnu To: Bandar Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 12:43 PM Subject: [obrolan-bandar] masih layakkah BUMI? Saya saat ini megang saham BUMI dalam jumlah yg lumayan banyak (menurut saya) karena dulu terpikat dgn janji mo bagi dividen Rp 200/saham. Nah, yg mo saya tanyain...apakah BUMI masih layak dipertahankan ato tidak? Soalnya hasil dari cut loss ini akan saya alihkan untuk invest options di US market yg return-nya rata2 10% per bulan (strategi konservatif). Tapi barusan saya baca review BEJ dari pusat riset Valbury bilang klo BUMI msh pny masa depan yg bagus, keliatan dari banyaknya bank2 luar negeri yg msh mo memberikan pinjaman hingga 2x yg diminta. Katanya ini menunjukkan bahwa BUMI msh dipercaya sama investor luar. Plus target dlm 3
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Wei stop...yg debat japri aja deh jgn lewat milis Cheers, Karno - Original Message - From: up_trends To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 3:10 PM Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI? perasaaan saya dr td nyantai aja.jgn jgn anda yg dr tadi dah panas dingin ngeliatin . dr td ngomong nyantai aja. mungkin anda dah terlalu punya banyak bumi,jd ada yg nyinggung ttg bumi jd super defensive. i feel sorry for u dude. :)--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "redyherinantoalb" redyherinantoalb@... wrote: He he he kalo tidak suka di tuduh boong jangan suka menuduh orang boong dong masalah edi tansil kita sudahi disini ya... hanya saya, istri, selingkuhan dan Tuhan yang tahu wakakakakakak Emang saya punya saham apa aja tho Kalo saya bilang saya hanya pengamat yang belum maen saham gimana Kalo saya bilang saya "the real big bozz" yang lagi mantau gimana??? Yang jelas saya pake nama asli... nothing to hide sante aja ya pak just share oppinion if you feel good take it, if not leave it don't include pride in it... not worth it I just feel it's not approriate for Mr. Fs, He post with good faith, you like?? take it if not leave it... keep it simple adapt with your style and confidence Redy --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "up_trends" up_trends@ wrote: trend follower, hmm blta,saya inget pas sama bumi harga sama sama di 670. tau pas saya cut bumi saya switch ke apa ?average up BLTA. bbrp saham yg anda punya juga saya punya. price di brp saya gak usah sebut.nanti dibilang boong lagi. hayo jawab siapa yg tadi tiba tiba ngaku suka eddy tansil?:)--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "redyherinantoalb" redyherinantoalb@ wrote: Iya juga seh he he he... memang PTBA lebih mahal dari hargamaupun PER nya, padahal perusahaannya belum tentu lebih bagus, sosaya gak mau masuk situ... cukup ikut dari 2000 (waktu masih murah) ke 3rban (mahal booo, sell sell sell, besok kalau relnya jadi buybuy buy) so, anda investor apa??? kalo saya contrarian carisaham bagus yang valuasinya masih rendah kalo saya bilang saya masih hold BLTA harga 800 anda percaya Saya masih hold Pgas harga 5000 anda percaya... saya juga masih hold isat harga 5800tuh, dan saya gak ada masalah dengan tidur saya kok :D mungkinsedikit dengan Edi Tansil tadi wakakakakak. sante aja pak...saya percaya nilai wajar BUMI diatas 1000, masalahnya saya pengen dapat harga yang terbaik... so saya masih tahan diri that just me Redy --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "up_trends" up_trends@wrote: semua fundamental bagus bahkan yg spt anda bilang lebih bagus dr ptba. satu pertanyaan saya. kok ptba harganya bisa lebih mahal yah? bahkan warrantnya harganya dulu bisa lebih tinggi dr BUMI? harganya salah?kemahalan kah warrantnya, apa investornya salah ? ato perusahaannya yg salah? ato market yg salah? tp sih org punya prinsip sendiri. saya mau bisa tidur tenangpergi berlibur kayak Mbah. :) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "redyherinantoalb" redyherinantoalb@ wrote: You buy Jaka, CNKO, RAJA, SUBA etc... that suicide in case of BUMI I think it's because Lapindo and Bakrie negatifsentiment when it's over... and it will then BUMI will be bright again... it's the biggest and best best mining in Indonesia even the world PTBA is peanut compare with it, itu tambang permukaan, dengan batubara Hi Cal, itulah kenapa operating cost nya begitu murah... operating cost murah harga batubara Hi Calory tinggi... profit tinggi... seharusnya share value up juga kan Btw, anda fund manager ya Saya juga lho... fund manager of myself reksadana :D Redy --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "up_trends" up_trends@ wrote: terus terang saya gak tahan kalo diiris bandar 5%aja. itu saya bilang bukan investing, suicide is more appropriate. gmn tanggung jawab fund manager reksadana gimana bisa compete dgn fund fund yg lain? gini aja deh, kalo bumi bisa naik 70% saya yakin ada alternative saham yg bisa naik 100% or more. anda mau naik kuda ordonkey?:) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "redyherinantoalb" redyherinantoalb@ wrote: Kalo kelihatan di guyur kenceng kenapa tidak Kita harus flexibleto??? bottom line nya kan BUMI masih bagus profitability
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI?
hi :Diam new, and please Mr FS, don't leave this forum :"(iam really helpful with ur opinion, pleasee. Plase forgive another, don't care them :DCheer allup_trends [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: perasaaan saya dr td nyantai aja.jgn jgn anda yg dr tadi dah panas dingin ngeliatin . dr td ngomong nyantai aja. mungkin anda dah terlalu punya banyak bumi,jd ada yg nyinggung ttg bumi jd super defensive. i feel sorry for u dude. :)--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "redyherinantoalb" redyherinantoalb@... wrote: He he he kalo tidak suka di tuduh boong jangan suka menuduh orang boong dong masalah edi tansil kita sudahi disini ya... hanya saya, istri, selingkuhan dan Tuhan yang tahu wakakakakakak Emang saya punya saham apa aja tho Kalo saya bilang saya hanya pengamat yang belum maen saham gimana Kalo saya bilang saya "the real big bozz" yang lagi mantau gimana??? Yang jelas saya pake nama asli... nothing to hide sante aja ya pak just share oppinion if you feel good take it, if not leave it don't include pride in it... not worth it I just feel it's not approriate for Mr. Fs, He post with good faith, you like?? take it if not leave it... keep it simple adapt with your style and confidence Redy --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "up_trends" up_trends@ wrote: trend follower, hmm blta,saya inget pas sama bumi harga sama sama di 670. tau pas saya cut bumi saya switch ke apa ?average up BLTA. bbrp saham yg anda punya juga saya punya. price di brp saya gak usah sebut.nanti dibilang boong lagi.hayo jawab siapa yg tadi tiba tiba ngaku suka eddy tansil?:)--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "redyherinantoalb" redyherinantoalb@ wrote: Iya juga seh he he he... memang PTBA lebih mahal dari hargamaupun PER nya, padahal perusahaannya belum tentu lebih bagus, sosaya gak mau masuk situ... cukup ikut dari 2000 (waktu masih murah)ke 3rban (mahal booo, sell sell sell, besok kalau relnya jadi buybuy buy) so, anda investor apa??? kalo saya contrarian carisaham bagus yang valuasinya masih rendah kalo saya bilang sayamasih hold BLTA harga 800 anda percaya Saya masih hold Pgasharga 5000 anda percaya... saya juga masih hold isat harga 5800tuh, dan saya gak ada masalah dengan tidur saya kok :D mungkinsedikit dengan Edi Tansil tadi wakakakakak. sante aja pak... saya percaya nilai wajar BUMI diatas 1000, masalahnya saya pengendapat harga yang terbaik... so saya masih tahan diri that just me Redy --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "up_trends" up_trends@wrote: semua fundamental bagus bahkan yg spt anda bilang lebih bagus dr ptba. satu pertanyaan saya. kok ptba harganya bisa lebih mahal yah? bahkan warrantnya harganya dulu bisa lebih tinggi dr BUMI? harganya salah?kemahalan kah warrantnya, apa investornya salah ? ato perusahaannya yg salah?ato market yg salah? tp sih org punya prinsip sendiri. saya mau bisa tidur tenangpergi berlibur kayak Mbah. :) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "redyherinantoalb" redyherinantoalb@ wrote: You buy Jaka, CNKO, RAJA, SUBA etc... that suicide in caseof BUMI I think it's because Lapindo and Bakrie negatifsentiment when it's over... and it will then BUMI will be brightagain... it's the biggest and best best mining in Indonesia even the world PTBA is peanut compare with it, itu tambang permukaan, dengan batubara Hi Cal, itulah kenapa operating cost nya begitu murah... operating cost murah harga batubara Hi Calory tinggi... profit tinggi... seharusnya share value up juga kan Btw, anda fund manager ya Saya juga lho... fund manager of myself reksadana :D Redy --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "up_trends" up_trends@ wrote: terus terang saya gak tahan kalo diiris bandar 5%aja. itu saya bilang bukan investing, suicide is more appropriate. gmn tanggung jawab fund manager reksadana gimana bisa compete dgn fund fund yg lain? gini aja deh, kalo bumi bisa naik 70% saya yakin adaalternative saham yg bisa naik 100% or more. anda mau naik kuda ordonkey?:)--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "redyherinantoalb" redyherinantoalb@ wrote: Kalo kelihatan di guyur kenceng kenapa tidak Kita harus flexible to??? bottom line nya kan BUMI masih bagus profitability nya,siapa tahu besok saya malah nabrak di atas 750... begitujugaanda... who knows... :)) Redy --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "up_trends"up_trends@wrote: asal jgn nanti diganti wait dibawah 600 yah pak?:)--- In obrolan- [EMAIL
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well ... mendingan battle di market daripada battle di milis ... gitu khan maksudnya ... that's why i don't concern in fundamental info i just 100% concern in price ... bagi saya ... ngga ada saham bagus maupun saham jelek (busuk) ... yang ada hanya saham (yang harganya) naik dan saham (yang harganya)turun - kutipan dari darvas ... to mr.FS jgn dimasukkan ke hati pak, masak gara-2 sedikit serempetan mobil di jalanan, trus kita jadi kapok nyetir mobil seumur-umur just a little incident ... Frederick Schubert wrote: sharing infos in this milist is just like against a bunch of mob...who don't want to be criticised and could not accept someone's else opinion... i would rather have a battle in the marketbut, i know people like pak edy1276 and effendi ang..? hehe are very smart and have big investment.. .so.. my apology, then.. this is my last comment please consider all of my comment as disclaimer and ignore them... promise and swear not to give any opnion anymore... and my best respect to embah or mbah, pak oen, and pak vibby ...keep up a good work and remind people to always be wise in investing their money in the jungle world of the equity market peace and cheers to you all bye Send instant messages to your online friends http://asia.messenger.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [obrolan-bandar] BNBR: is it real?
Perusahaan Indonesia yang pasang iklan di channel CNBC ada beberapa, yaitu : Bank Mandiri, Antam, Optik Tunggal.. dan sekarang.. Bakrie and Brothers.. ^^ kalau waktu iklan ANTM, didalam iklannya ANTM menunjukkan performance keuangannya, produksinya dan performance dari harga sahamnya yang terus meningkat.. tapi di iklan BNBR, hanya menunjukkan performance Revenuenya.. TIDAK menunjukkan performance harga sahamnya.. kenapa? ^^ hehehehe -Original Message-From: anak bawang [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: 27 September 2006 11:36To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.comSubject: [obrolan-bandar] BNBR: is it real? Ada berita tentang BNBR: Rabu, 27 September 2006 09:10:38StockWatch (Jakarta) - PT Bakrie Brothers (BNBR) dinilai memiliki neraca keuangan yang sehat dengan net gearing sekitar 0,15 kali, turun dari 0,50 kali pada semester I 2005. Jika sentimen ke kelompok usaha Bakrie mereda harga saham sektor infrastruktur itu berpeluang menuju target harga di Rp 220 per saham.Menurut analis perusahaan sekuritas asing, balance sheet yang solid tersebut memberikan banyak ruang untuk tambahan pinjaman guna membiayai ekspansi. Perusahaan tengah mengikuti berbagai tender proyek dan siap untuk membiayai proyek tersebut. Sumber dana terutama berasal dari arus kas internal dan pinjaman eksternal seperti kredit bank atau pembiayaan dari vendor.Manajemen meningindikasikan untuk menyisakan sedikitnya 51% kepemilikan pada proyek jaringan pipa gas Kalija yang baru saja dimenangkan untuk memastikan konsolidasi pada laporan keuangan. Analis menilai kebijakan tersebut positif karena proyek pipa Kalija bisa memberikan pendapatan yang signifikan pada divisi infrastruktur. Selain itu, proyek tersebut diperkirakan memiliki margin EBITDA tinggi sekitar 70-80% dengan asumsi tingkat utilisasi 80%.Menurut analis, penurunan harga saham akibat sentimen grup belakangan ini bisa menjadi kesempatan menarik untuk mengoleksi saham BNBR. Berdasarkan metode sum of the part (SOTP) target harga sekitar Rp 220 per saham. Padahal, SOTP belum memasukkan net present value proyek Kalija yang diperkirakan bisa menambah valuasi Rp 28 per saham.Bakrie Brothers mencetak kenaikan laba bersih yang signifikan ditopang oleh pertumbuhan pendapatan yang mencapai 89% dan perbaikan margin keuntungan. Kinerja itu lebih tinggi dari perkiraan dan target manajemen.Anak perusahaan sektor telekomunikasi dan perkebungan mulai bertumbuh. Bakrie Telecom melampaui perkiraan dalam jumlah pelanggan dan mulai menunjukkan konstribusi yang signifikan pada EBITDA. Bisnis perkebunan berencana mengembangkan ukuran landbank tiga kali lipat dalam tujuh tahun. (esta) benarkah akan demikian? ada analisis lain? katanya target 220 kok hari ini buka di 155 trus turun ke 150??? How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Small business finance Business finance online Business finance training Business finance course Business finance schools Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
RE: [obrolan-bandar] Ganti topik yuk dari BUMI ke BBNI
mendingan ganti topik ke OB (office boy), bentar lagi mulai nih di RCTI ^^ hehehe -Original Message-From: sudargo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: 27 September 2006 13:30To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.comSubject: [obrolan-bandar] Ganti topik yuk dari BUMI ke BBNI menurut rekan-rekan gimana performance BBNI??? __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Small business finance Business finance online Business finance training Business finance course Business finance schools Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Ganti topik yuk dari BUMI ke BBNI
sejauh ini +290, so??On 9/27/06, sudargo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: menurut rekan-rekan gimana performance BBNI??? __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Small business finance Business finance online Business finance training Business finance course Business finance schools Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI?
we still need u mr FSplease don't leave this forum... On 9/27/06, boyz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: well ... mendingan battle di market daripada battle di milis ...gitu khan maksudnya ...that's why i don't concern in fundamental info i just 100% concern in price ...bagi saya ... ngga ada saham bagus maupun saham jelek (busuk) ... yang ada hanya saham (yang harganya) naik dan saham (yang harganya)turun - kutipan dari darvas ...to mr.FSjgn dimasukkan ke hati pak, masak gara-2 sedikit serempetan mobil di jalanan, trus kita jadi kapok nyetir mobil seumur-umurjust a little incident ...Frederick Schubert wrote: sharing infos in this milist is just like against a bunch of mob...who don't want to be criticised and could not accept someone's else opinion... i would rather have a battle in the marketbut, i know people like pak edy1276 and effendi ang..? hehe are very smart and have big investment.. .so.. my apology, then.. this is my last comment please consider all of my comment as disclaimer and ignore them... promise and swear not to give any opnion anymore... and my best respect to embah or mbah, pak oen, and pak vibby ...keep up a good work and remind people to always be wise in investing their money in the jungle world of the equity market peace and cheers to you all byeSend instant messages to your online friends http://asia.messenger.yahoo.com __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Small business finance Business finance online Business finance training Business finance course Business finance schools Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Ganti topik yuk dari BUMI ke BBNI
Kalo buat aku harga beda dikitlebih baik ambil BMRI - Original Message - From: sudargo To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 2:30 PM Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Ganti topik yuk dari BUMI ke BBNI menurut rekan-rekan gimana performance BBNI??? __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Small business finance Business finance online Business finance training Business finance course Business finance schools Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI?
Kok mkomentar komentar tentang bumi dari rekan milis yang nota bena ahli pasar jadinya sangat subyektif sih? Kalau langsir saya dari surat kabar,. yang saya dapat berita,... bukankah EBITDA bumi masih sangat positif? Bukankah bank sekaliber Credit Suisse masih berkenan jadi loan arranger nya? Kalau kita melihat BUMI sebagai corporate TBK, maka, pembukuannya kan sudah diaudit habis tiap tahun, jadi, bagaimana hubungannya dengan Lapindo? Bukannya LAPINDO itu dari EMP, juga perushaan TBK? Kenapa anrgumentasi argumentasi jagoan market di millist ini tidak melakukan analisa fundamental untuk menentukan nilai real BUMI sesuai dengan data yang sudah di disclose, diaudit dan dipertanggung jawabkan oleh independent consultant? malah maling teriak maling urusan technical rebound? Apakah tidka terlalu emosional tapi tanpa rasional? well ... mendingan battle di market daripada battle di milis ... gitu khan maksudnya ... that's why i don't concern in fundamental info i just 100% concern in price ... bagi saya ... ngga ada saham bagus maupun saham jelek (busuk) ... yang ada hanya saham (yang harganya) naik dan saham (yang harganya)turun - kutipan dari darvas ... to mr.FS jgn dimasukkan ke hati pak, masak gara-2 sedikit serempetan mobil di jalanan, trus kita jadi kapok nyetir mobil seumur-umur just a little incident ... Frederick Schubert wrote: sharing infos in this milist is just like against a bunch of mob...who don't want to be criticised and could not accept someone's else opinion... i would rather have a battle in the marketbut, i know people like pak edy1276 and effendi ang..? hehe are very smart and have big investment.. .so.. my apology, then.. this is my last comment please consider all of my comment as disclaimer and ignore them... promise and swear not to give any opnion anymore... and my best respect to embah or mbah, pak oen, and pak vibby ...keep up a good work and remind people to always be wise in investing their money in the jungle world of the equity market peace and cheers to you all bye Send instant messages to your online friends http://asia.messenger.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [obrolan-bandar] Ganti topik yuk dari BUMI ke BBNI
sepertinya BBNI di tutup diatas 2000 hari ini...biar besok main fraksi 25..nyalip BMRI..heheheheSudeswanto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:mendingan ganti topik ke OB (office boy), bentar lagi mulai nih di RCTI ^^ hehehe -Original Message-From: sudargo[mailto:Sudargo@mblpg.japfacomfeed.co.id]Sent: 27 September 200613:30To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.comSubject:[obrolan-bandar] Ganti topik yuk dari BUMI ke BBNI menurut rekan-rekan gimana performance BBNI??? Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Small business finance Business finance online Business finance training Business finance course Business finance schools Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
[obrolan-bandar] Re: Ganti topik yuk dari BUMI ke BBNI
--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Win [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sejauh ini +290, so?? Masih Buanyakkk Long Term Investor BOENTOENG, karena ini harga Reverse Stock (1:15); and so ??? On 9/27/06, sudargo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: menurut rekan-rekan gimana performance BBNI??? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[obrolan-bandar] Lowongan di PT Victoria Sekuritas
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[obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI?
Iya neh... punya 2 ribu lot nyantol di 1400 kelihatan ya??? :)) di pucuk gunung emang dingin seh... panas nggak... Redy --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, up_trends [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: perasaaan saya dr td nyantai aja. jgn jgn anda yg dr tadi dah panas dingin ngeliatin . dr td ngomong nyantai aja. mungkin anda dah terlalu punya banyak bumi,jd ada yg nyinggung ttg bumi jd super defensive. i feel sorry for u dude. :) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, redyherinantoalb redyherinantoalb@ wrote: He he he kalo tidak suka di tuduh boong jangan suka menuduh orang boong dong masalah edi tansil kita sudahi disini ya... hanya saya, istri, selingkuhan dan Tuhan yang tahu wakakakakakak Emang saya punya saham apa aja tho Kalo saya bilang saya hanya pengamat yang belum maen saham gimana Kalo saya bilang saya the real big bozz yang lagi mantau gimana??? Yang jelas saya pake nama asli... nothing to hide sante aja ya pak just share oppinion if you feel good take it, if not leave it don't include pride in it... not worth it I just feel it's not approriate for Mr. Fs, He post with good faith, you like?? take it if not leave it... keep it simple adapt with your style and confidence Redy --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, up_trends up_trends@ wrote: trend follower, hmm blta,saya inget pas sama bumi harga sama sama di 670. tau pas saya cut bumi saya switch ke apa ?average up BLTA. bbrp saham yg anda punya juga saya punya. price di brp saya gak usah sebut.nanti dibilang boong lagi. hayo jawab siapa yg tadi tiba tiba ngaku suka eddy tansil?:) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, redyherinantoalb redyherinantoalb@ wrote: Iya juga seh he he he... memang PTBA lebih mahal dari harga maupun PER nya, padahal perusahaannya belum tentu lebih bagus, so saya gak mau masuk situ... cukup ikut dari 2000 (waktu masih murah) ke 3rban (mahal booo, sell sell sell, besok kalau relnya jadi buy buy buy) so, anda investor apa??? kalo saya contrarian cari saham bagus yang valuasinya masih rendah kalo saya bilang saya masih hold BLTA harga 800 anda percaya Saya masih hold Pgas harga 5000 anda percaya... saya juga masih hold isat harga 5800 tuh, dan saya gak ada masalah dengan tidur saya kok :D mungkin sedikit dengan Edi Tansil tadi wakakakakak. sante aja pak... saya percaya nilai wajar BUMI diatas 1000, masalahnya saya pengen dapat harga yang terbaik... so saya masih tahan diri that just me Redy --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, up_trends up_trends@ wrote: semua fundamental bagus bahkan yg spt anda bilang lebih bagus dr ptba. satu pertanyaan saya. kok ptba harganya bisa lebih mahal yah? bahkan warrantnya harganya dulu bisa lebih tinggi dr BUMI? harganya salah?kemahalan kah warrantnya, apa investornya salah ? ato perusahaannya yg salah? ato market yg salah? tp sih org punya prinsip sendiri. saya mau bisa tidur tenangpergi berlibur kayak Mbah. :) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, redyherinantoalb redyherinantoalb@ wrote: You buy Jaka, CNKO, RAJA, SUBA etc... that suicide in case of BUMI I think it's because Lapindo and Bakrie negatif sentiment when it's over... and it will then BUMI will be bright again... it's the biggest and best best mining in Indonesia even the world PTBA is peanut compare with it, itu tambang permukaan, dengan batubara Hi Cal, itulah kenapa operating cost nya begitu murah... operating cost murah harga batubara Hi Calory tinggi... profit tinggi... seharusnya share value up juga kan Btw, anda fund manager ya Saya juga lho... fund manager of myself reksadana :D Redy --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, up_trends up_trends@ wrote: terus terang saya gak tahan kalo diiris bandar 5%aja. itu saya bilang bukan investing, suicide is more appropriate. gmn tanggung jawab fund manager reksadana gimana bisa compete dgn fund fund yg lain? gini aja deh, kalo bumi bisa naik 70% saya yakin ada alternative saham yg bisa naik 100% or more. anda mau naik kuda or donkey?:) --- In obrolan- [EMAIL PROTECTED], redyherinantoalb redyherinantoalb@ wrote: Kalo kelihatan di guyur kenceng kenapa tidak Kita harus flexible to??? bottom line nya kan BUMI masih bagus profitability nya, siapa tahu besok saya malah nabrak di atas 750...
[obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI?
Di japri aja... orang nya baik kok... Redy --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, meifong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi :D iam new, and please Mr FS, don't leave this forum :( iam really helpful with ur opinion, pleasee. Plase forgive another, don't care them :D Cheer all up_trends [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: perasaaan saya dr td nyantai aja. jgn jgn anda yg dr tadi dah panas dingin ngeliatin . dr td ngomong nyantai aja. mungkin anda dah terlalu punya banyak bumi,jd ada yg nyinggung ttg bumi jd super defensive. i feel sorry for u dude. :) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, redyherinantoalb redyherinantoalb@ wrote: He he he kalo tidak suka di tuduh boong jangan suka menuduh orang boong dong masalah edi tansil kita sudahi disini ya... hanya saya, istri, selingkuhan dan Tuhan yang tahu wakakakakakak Emang saya punya saham apa aja tho Kalo saya bilang saya hanya pengamat yang belum maen saham gimana Kalo saya bilang saya the real big bozz yang lagi mantau gimana??? Yang jelas saya pake nama asli... nothing to hide sante aja ya pak just share oppinion if you feel good take it, if not leave it don't include pride in it... not worth it I just feel it's not approriate for Mr. Fs, He post with good faith, you like?? take it if not leave it... keep it simple adapt with your style and confidence Redy --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, up_trends up_trends@ wrote: trend follower, hmm blta,saya inget pas sama bumi harga sama sama di 670. tau pas saya cut bumi saya switch ke apa ?average up BLTA. bbrp saham yg anda punya juga saya punya. price di brp saya gak usah sebut.nanti dibilang boong lagi. hayo jawab siapa yg tadi tiba tiba ngaku suka eddy tansil?:) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, redyherinantoalb redyherinantoalb@ wrote: Iya juga seh he he he... memang PTBA lebih mahal dari harga maupun PER nya, padahal perusahaannya belum tentu lebih bagus, so saya gak mau masuk situ... cukup ikut dari 2000 (waktu masih murah) ke 3rban (mahal booo, sell sell sell, besok kalau relnya jadi buy buy buy) so, anda investor apa??? kalo saya contrarian cari saham bagus yang valuasinya masih rendah kalo saya bilang saya masih hold BLTA harga 800 anda percaya Saya masih hold Pgas harga 5000 anda percaya... saya juga masih hold isat harga 5800 tuh, dan saya gak ada masalah dengan tidur saya kok :D mungkin sedikit dengan Edi Tansil tadi wakakakakak. sante aja pak... saya percaya nilai wajar BUMI diatas 1000, masalahnya saya pengen dapat harga yang terbaik... so saya masih tahan diri that just me Redy --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, up_trends up_trends@ wrote: semua fundamental bagus bahkan yg spt anda bilang lebih bagus dr ptba. satu pertanyaan saya. kok ptba harganya bisa lebih mahal yah? bahkan warrantnya harganya dulu bisa lebih tinggi dr BUMI? harganya salah?kemahalan kah warrantnya, apa investornya salah ? ato perusahaannya yg salah? ato market yg salah? tp sih org punya prinsip sendiri. saya mau bisa tidur tenangpergi berlibur kayak Mbah. :) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, redyherinantoalb redyherinantoalb@ wrote: You buy Jaka, CNKO, RAJA, SUBA etc... that suicide in case of BUMI I think it's because Lapindo and Bakrie negatif sentiment when it's over... and it will then BUMI will be bright again... it's the biggest and best best mining in Indonesia even the world PTBA is peanut compare with it, itu tambang permukaan, dengan batubara Hi Cal, itulah kenapa operating cost nya begitu murah... operating cost murah harga batubara Hi Calory tinggi... profit tinggi... seharusnya share value up juga kan Btw, anda fund manager ya Saya juga lho... fund manager of myself reksadana :D Redy --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, up_trends up_trends@ wrote: terus terang saya gak tahan kalo diiris bandar 5%aja. itu saya bilang bukan investing, suicide is more appropriate. gmn tanggung jawab fund manager reksadana gimana bisa compete dgn fund fund yg lain? gini aja deh, kalo bumi bisa naik 70% saya yakin ada alternative saham yg bisa naik 100% or more. anda mau naik kuda or donkey?:) --- In obrolan- [EMAIL PROTECTED], redyherinantoalb redyherinantoalb@ wrote: Kalo kelihatan di guyur kenceng kenapa tidak Kita harus flexible
[obrolan-bandar] TEmen Musuh [was] layakkah BUMI?
Saya barusan kemarin ngobrol ama seorang temen.. dia bilang gini : Punya serebu temen tidak cukup, Tapi punya musuh 1 itu sangat kebanyakan Let's be constructive guys... Regards Vibby --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, up_trends [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: perasaaan saya dr td nyantai aja. jgn jgn anda yg dr tadi dah panas dingin ngeliatin . dr td ngomong nyantai aja. mungkin anda dah terlalu punya banyak bumi,jd ada yg nyinggung ttg bumi jd super defensive. i feel sorry for u dude. :) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, redyherinantoalb redyherinantoalb@ wrote: He he he kalo tidak suka di tuduh boong jangan suka menuduh orang boong dong masalah edi tansil kita sudahi disini ya... hanya saya, istri, selingkuhan dan Tuhan yang tahu wakakakakakak Emang saya punya saham apa aja tho Kalo saya bilang saya hanya pengamat yang belum maen saham gimana Kalo saya bilang saya the real big bozz yang lagi mantau gimana??? Yang jelas saya pake nama asli... nothing to hide sante aja ya pak just share oppinion if you feel good take it, if not leave it don't include pride in it... not worth it I just feel it's not approriate for Mr. Fs, He post with good faith, you like?? take it if not leave it... keep it simple adapt with your style and confidence Redy Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[obrolan-bandar] Utk ji3soe____BUMI dan options
Wah, terimakasih banyak bwt sarannya utk BUMI.Memang ni saham yg satu ini banyak masalah!! awalnya mo untung besar dari dividen Rp 200 itu...ehh, malah buntung!!Tapi klo dilihat dari aset yg dimiliki BUMI msh pny masa depan. Cuma masalahnya kapan...itu yg paling penting. Soalnya saya itung2 time value uang saya jd hilang klo didiemin di BUMI terus, mending dialihkan ke yg lain..options misalkan.Trus mengenai options...Bpk uda pernah belajar ato ikut training options?Saya sarankan ikutan belajar jg Pak...perharinya saya dapat $100 dari investasi saya di options. (saya pny resep rahasianya sih,hahaha)Klo di options tu malah faktor resikonya lebih terkendali...terutama jika kita bertindak sebagai options buyer, loss maksimal tu ya sebesar premi options yg kita bayar.jadi klo di saham kita BUY STOCK, di options tu kita BUY CALL.Ketika sahamnya anjlok ampe nilainya 0 (nol), kerugian kita klo beli saham ya sebesar penurunan harga itu...sedangkan di options ruginya cuma sebatas premi.Contoh:Microsoft (MSFT) sekarang di $25..nah klo kita beli sahamnya dan ternyata Microsoft-nya ancur (harganya jadi nol)...ya kerugian kita $25 perlembar saham.sedangkan jika kita beli options MSFT (misalkan seharga $2), mo sahamnya ancur ampe nol pun maksimal rugi kita hanya $2...Sedangkan utk keuntungan sama persis dgn yg kita dapat jika beli saham.Misal: harganya naik ke $30 Klo beli saham untung $5..ROI = $5 / $25 = 20%sedangkan klo beli options untung $5 juga, tapi ROI = $5 / $2 = 250%Begitu Pak :)Jika Bpk berminat belajar options, coba ke www.optionetics.com ato melalui yahoofinance juga ada koq!Sekedar info saja bwt nambah2 wawasan...boleh kan?HeheThank you Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Small business finance Business finance online Business finance training Business finance course Business finance schools Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
[obrolan-bandar] Re: ke BBNI
Bener pak O, saya juga tadi terkaget kaget ngeliat BNI melangit gitu. Ada reason kuat utk kisah ini pak?Best regards,th Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail. __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Small business finance Business finance online Business finance training Business finance course Business finance schools Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Utk ji3soe____BUMI dan options
Kalo gak salah option masanya pendek (bulanan) ? Kalo saham bisa dihold gak terbatas. - Original Message - From: Handika Wisnu To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; Bandar Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 4:17 PM Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Utk ji3soeBUMI dan options Wah, terimakasih banyak bwt sarannya utk BUMI.Memang ni saham yg satu ini banyak masalah!! awalnya mo untung besar dari dividen Rp 200 itu...ehh, malah buntung!!Tapi klo dilihat dari aset yg dimiliki BUMI msh pny masa depan. Cuma masalahnya kapan...itu yg paling penting. Soalnya saya itung2 time value uang saya jd hilang klo didiemin di BUMI terus, mending dialihkan ke yg lain..options misalkan.Trus mengenai options...Bpk uda pernah belajar ato ikut training options?Saya sarankan ikutan belajar jg Pak...perharinya saya dapat $100 dari investasi saya di options. (saya pny resep rahasianya sih,hahaha)Klo di options tu malah faktor resikonya lebih terkendali...terutama jika kita bertindak sebagai options buyer, loss maksimal tu ya sebesar premi options yg kita bayar.jadi klo di saham kita BUY STOCK, di options tu kita BUY CALL.Ketika sahamnya anjlok ampe nilainya 0 (nol), kerugian kita klo beli saham ya sebesar penurunan harga itu...sedangkan di options ruginya cuma sebatas premi.Contoh:Microsoft (MSFT) sekarang di $25..nah klo kita beli sahamnya dan ternyata Microsoft-nya ancur (harganya jadi nol)...ya kerugian kita $25 perlembar saham.sedangkan jika kita beli options MSFT (misalkan seharga $2), mo sahamnya ancur ampe nol pun maksimal rugi kita hanya $2...Sedangkan utk keuntungan sama persis dgn yg kita dapat jika beli saham.Misal: harganya naik ke $30 Klo beli saham untung $5..ROI = $5 / $25 = 20%sedangkan klo beli options untung $5 juga, tapi ROI = $5 / $2 = 250%Begitu Pak :)Jika Bpk berminat belajar options, coba ke www.optionetics.com ato melalui yahoofinance juga ada koq!Sekedar info saja bwt nambah2 wawasan...boleh kan?HeheThank you Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Small business finance Business finance online Business finance training Business finance course Business finance schools Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
[obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI?
bahahaha, mosok sih bung? anda dr tahun 2020? biasanya org yg nyangkut emang emosional kalo di singgung. dan biasanya org itu lebih baik thd org yg senasib anda bisa valuein bumi 1400 ? saya juga bisa buat valuasi bumi 2000. tinggal mainin angka aja ato 500 yah? once again u have my deep deep symphathy :) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, redyherinantoalb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Iya neh... punya 2 ribu lot nyantol di 1400 kelihatan ya??? :)) di pucuk gunung emang dingin seh... panas nggak... Redy --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, up_trends up_trends@ wrote: perasaaan saya dr td nyantai aja. jgn jgn anda yg dr tadi dah panas dingin ngeliatin . dr td ngomong nyantai aja. mungkin anda dah terlalu punya banyak bumi,jd ada yg nyinggung ttg bumi jd super defensive. i feel sorry for u dude. :) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, redyherinantoalb redyherinantoalb@ wrote: He he he kalo tidak suka di tuduh boong jangan suka menuduh orang boong dong masalah edi tansil kita sudahi disini ya... hanya saya, istri, selingkuhan dan Tuhan yang tahu wakakakakakak Emang saya punya saham apa aja tho Kalo saya bilang saya hanya pengamat yang belum maen saham gimana Kalo saya bilang saya the real big bozz yang lagi mantau gimana??? Yang jelas saya pake nama asli... nothing to hide sante aja ya pak just share oppinion if you feel good take it, if not leave it don't include pride in it... not worth it I just feel it's not approriate for Mr. Fs, He post with good faith, you like?? take it if not leave it... keep it simple adapt with your style and confidence Redy --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, up_trends up_trends@ wrote: trend follower, hmm blta,saya inget pas sama bumi harga sama sama di 670. tau pas saya cut bumi saya switch ke apa ?average up BLTA. bbrp saham yg anda punya juga saya punya. price di brp saya gak usah sebut.nanti dibilang boong lagi. hayo jawab siapa yg tadi tiba tiba ngaku suka eddy tansil?:) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, redyherinantoalb redyherinantoalb@ wrote: Iya juga seh he he he... memang PTBA lebih mahal dari harga maupun PER nya, padahal perusahaannya belum tentu lebih bagus, so saya gak mau masuk situ... cukup ikut dari 2000 (waktu masih murah) ke 3rban (mahal booo, sell sell sell, besok kalau relnya jadi buy buy buy) so, anda investor apa??? kalo saya contrarian cari saham bagus yang valuasinya masih rendah kalo saya bilang saya masih hold BLTA harga 800 anda percaya Saya masih hold Pgas harga 5000 anda percaya... saya juga masih hold isat harga 5800 tuh, dan saya gak ada masalah dengan tidur saya kok :D mungkin sedikit dengan Edi Tansil tadi wakakakakak. sante aja pak... saya percaya nilai wajar BUMI diatas 1000, masalahnya saya pengen dapat harga yang terbaik... so saya masih tahan diri that just me Redy --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, up_trends up_trends@ wrote: semua fundamental bagus bahkan yg spt anda bilang lebih bagus dr ptba. satu pertanyaan saya. kok ptba harganya bisa lebih mahal yah? bahkan warrantnya harganya dulu bisa lebih tinggi dr BUMI? harganya salah?kemahalan kah warrantnya, apa investornya salah ? ato perusahaannya yg salah? ato market yg salah? tp sih org punya prinsip sendiri. saya mau bisa tidur tenangpergi berlibur kayak Mbah. :) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, redyherinantoalb redyherinantoalb@ wrote: You buy Jaka, CNKO, RAJA, SUBA etc... that suicide in case of BUMI I think it's because Lapindo and Bakrie negatif sentiment when it's over... and it will then BUMI will be bright again... it's the biggest and best best mining in Indonesia even the world PTBA is peanut compare with it, itu tambang permukaan, dengan batubara Hi Cal, itulah kenapa operating cost nya begitu murah... operating cost murah harga batubara Hi Calory tinggi... profit tinggi... seharusnya share value up juga kan Btw, anda fund manager ya Saya juga lho... fund manager of myself reksadana :D Redy --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, up_trends up_trends@ wrote: terus terang saya gak tahan kalo diiris bandar 5%aja. itu saya bilang bukan investing, suicide is more appropriate. gmn tanggung jawab fund manager reksadana gimana bisa
Re: [obrolan-bandar] BUMI dan options
Wah bagus banget ini info dasar. Terima kasih pak utk link ke situs optionnya.Mending gini deh daripada ribut ga karuan...salam damai dan sejahtera (cuan),th How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messengers low PC-to-Phone call rates. __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Small business finance Business finance online Business finance training Business finance course Business finance schools Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
[obrolan-bandar] Re: BUMI dan options
HOrras, dan salam cuan juga.:) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, T Halim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wah bagus banget ini info dasar. Terima kasih pak utk link ke situs optionnya. Mending gini deh daripada ribut ga karuan... salam damai dan sejahtera (cuan), th - How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Ganti topik yuk dari BUMI ke BBNI
BBNI ada brp persen sih di market? layak gak dari sisi likuiditas? mungkin lebih baik stay di BMRI ALX On 9/27/06, sudargo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: menurut rekan-rekan gimana performance BBNI??? __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Small business finance Business finance online Business finance training Business finance course Business finance schools Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
[obrolan-bandar] Re: Utk ji3soe____BUMI dan options
sedangkan jika kita beli options MSFT (misalkan seharga $2), mo sahamnya ancur ampe nol pun maksimal rugi kita hanya $2... Rugi $2 dari investasi $2 sepertinya total loss ya??? Lebih sadis dari maen futures neh Just my oppinion... Redy --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Karno Edy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kalo gak salah option masanya pendek (bulanan) ? Kalo saham bisa dihold gak terbatas. - Original Message - From: Handika Wisnu To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; Bandar Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 4:17 PM Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Utk ji3soeBUMI dan options Wah, terimakasih banyak bwt sarannya utk BUMI. Memang ni saham yg satu ini banyak masalah!! awalnya mo untung besar dari dividen Rp 200 itu...ehh, malah buntung!! Tapi klo dilihat dari aset yg dimiliki BUMI msh pny masa depan. Cuma masalahnya kapan...itu yg paling penting. Soalnya saya itung2 time value uang saya jd hilang klo didiemin di BUMI terus, mending dialihkan ke yg lain..options misalkan. Trus mengenai options...Bpk uda pernah belajar ato ikut training options? Saya sarankan ikutan belajar jg Pak...perharinya saya dapat $100 dari investasi saya di options. (saya pny resep rahasianya sih,hahaha) Klo di options tu malah faktor resikonya lebih terkendali...terutama jika kita bertindak sebagai options buyer, loss maksimal tu ya sebesar premi options yg kita bayar. jadi klo di saham kita BUY STOCK, di options tu kita BUY CALL. Ketika sahamnya anjlok ampe nilainya 0 (nol), kerugian kita klo beli saham ya sebesar penurunan harga itu...sedangkan di options ruginya cuma sebatas premi. Contoh: Microsoft (MSFT) sekarang di $25..nah klo kita beli sahamnya dan ternyata Microsoft-nya ancur (harganya jadi nol)...ya kerugian kita $25 perlembar saham. sedangkan jika kita beli options MSFT (misalkan seharga $2), mo sahamnya ancur ampe nol pun maksimal rugi kita hanya $2... Sedangkan utk keuntungan sama persis dgn yg kita dapat jika beli saham. Misal: harganya naik ke $30 Klo beli saham untung $5..ROI = $5 / $25 = 20% sedangkan klo beli options untung $5 juga, tapi ROI = $5 / $2 = 250% Begitu Pak :) Jika Bpk berminat belajar options, coba ke www.optionetics.com ato melalui yahoofinance juga ada koq! Sekedar info saja bwt nambah2 wawasan...boleh kan? Hehe Thank you --- --- Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Milis COOLING DOWN by admin
You're True Leader Mbah... salute !! - Original Message - From: jsx_consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 5:09 PM Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Milis COOLING DOWN by admin Cooling down by admin Agar situasi milis TETAP CONDUSIVE, embah terpaksa menSENSOR semua posting yg PANAS ampe keadaan ADEM kembali... Maaf, ini buat kepentingan SEMUA... ... embah, admin milis Yahoo! Groups Links __ NOD32 1.1677 (20060724) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[obrolan-bandar] Re: Milis COOLING DOWN by admin
Weleh2 kirain udah liburan ke Kuta Embah Redy --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, jsx_consultant jsx- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cooling down by admin Agar situasi milis TETAP CONDUSIVE, embah terpaksa menSENSOR semua posting yg PANAS ampe keadaan ADEM kembali... Maaf, ini buat kepentingan SEMUA... ... embah, admin milis Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[obrolan-bandar] Pengaruh BBNI ke Index.
Hari ini index +22, penyumbang kedua besar adalah BBNI dengan kenaikan buat index 5point lebih (BBNI +290 perak) pdhl jumlah valuenya ngak sebanding dengan TLKM. BBNI naik dari 1200 sampe ke 2080, dah sumbang brp point ? Udah 17point. Gimana kl YU,SM yg 'goreng' BBNI banting BBNI ke bawah lagi, index drop kebrp ? Pls comment Regards Herman Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Milis COOLING DOWN by admin
milis ini baru saja merasakan apa yang dimaksud oleh teori chaos ... from ORDER to CHAOS sebagian dari kita biasa merasakan segala sesuatu dalam ORDER / regularity atau dalam keteraturan. oleh sebab itu kita selalu ber-persepsi everything is IN ORDER ... biasanya kita tidak prepare apabila everything is OUT of ORDER. well di market kita juga demikian, ... always expect everything is in order. so prepare for CHAOS ... buat teman-2 di milis ini ... please respect each others jangan karena berbeda pendapat, lalu saling ngotot pendapatnya yg paling benar. apalagi dalam hal trading horizons investor pasti berbeda nilai pandangan dengan trader, tapi bukan berarti yg satu lebih benar dari yg lain. ingat, tujuan setiap trader dan investor adalah to gain profit. tujuan sama tapi cara berbeda... untungnya dalam CHAOS ini mbah melakukan INTERVENSI ... (kayak BI sedang mengintervensi para spekulan2, hehehe) sehingga mudah-2an EVERYTHING IS IN ORDER lagi To Mr. Frederick Schubert, with all respect sir, please consider this as a little incident. don't take it personally. I think there's much more in this mailing list who like your opinions or projection to consider. honestly, i do like u'r flow of fund analysis for my knowledge enrichment in this chaotic market (jungle, some people said). As you said elliot wave couldn't applied in JSX, well i respect that although i disagree (i am still tweaking my trading system). i hope we -in this mailing list- can read u'r next great opinion. best regard, BOY IZAR jsx_consultant wrote: Cooling down by admin Agar situasi milis TETAP CONDUSIVE, embah terpaksa menSENSOR semua posting yg PANAS ampe keadaan ADEM kembali... Maaf, ini buat kepentingan SEMUA... ... embah, admin milis Send instant messages to your online friends http://asia.messenger.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[obrolan-bandar] Dinamika Milis
Saya mengikuti posting-posting yang terakhir dari milis ini sampai mBah mengeluarkan Cooling Down Posting. Saran saya jadikanlah ketidak sepakatan antar kita bukan sebagai pertentangan melainkan kita anggap sebagai khasanah dinamika yg memperkaya pandangan-pandangan di milis ini. Tidak ada yang salah tapi dalam jungle ini tapi marketlah yang selalu benar Ratman http://www.j-club.biz __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Small business finance Business finance online Business finance training Business finance course Business finance schools Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
[obrolan-bandar] Dinamika Milis
Saya mengikuti posting-posting yang terakhir dari milis ini sampai mBah mengeluarkan Cooling Down Posting. Saran saya jadikanlah ketidak sepakatan antar kita bukan sebagai pertentangan melainkan kita anggap sebagai khasanah dinamika yg memperkaya pandangan-pandangan di milis ini. Tidak ada yang salah tapi dalam jungle ini tapi marketlah yang selalu benar Ratman http://www.j-club.biz __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Small business finance Business finance online Business finance training Business finance course Business finance schools Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Utk ji3soe____BUMI dan options
Setahu saya Options emang main maksimalnya 8 bulan pak. Tapi sekarang sudah ada LEAPS yang kalau tidak salah bisa sampai 2 tahunan ya.On 9/27/06, Karno Edy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kalo gak salah option masanya pendek (bulanan) ? Kalo saham bisa dihold gak terbatas. - Original Message - From: Handika Wisnu To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; Bandar Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 4:17 PM Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Utk ji3soeBUMI dan options Wah, terimakasih banyak bwt sarannya utk BUMI.Memang ni saham yg satu ini banyak masalah!! awalnya mo untung besar dari dividen Rp 200 itu...ehh, malah buntung!!Tapi klo dilihat dari aset yg dimiliki BUMI msh pny masa depan. Cuma masalahnya kapan...itu yg paling penting. Soalnya saya itung2 time value uang saya jd hilang klo didiemin di BUMI terus, mending dialihkan ke yg lain..options misalkan.Trus mengenai options...Bpk uda pernah belajar ato ikut training options?Saya sarankan ikutan belajar jg Pak...perharinya saya dapat $100 dari investasi saya di options. (saya pny resep rahasianya sih,hahaha)Klo di options tu malah faktor resikonya lebih terkendali...terutama jika kita bertindak sebagai options buyer, loss maksimal tu ya sebesar premi options yg kita bayar.jadi klo di saham kita BUY STOCK, di options tu kita BUY CALL.Ketika sahamnya anjlok ampe nilainya 0 (nol), kerugian kita klo beli saham ya sebesar penurunan harga itu...sedangkan di options ruginya cuma sebatas premi.Contoh:Microsoft (MSFT) sekarang di $25..nah klo kita beli sahamnya dan ternyata Microsoft-nya ancur (harganya jadi nol)...ya kerugian kita $25 perlembar saham.sedangkan jika kita beli options MSFT (misalkan seharga $2), mo sahamnya ancur ampe nol pun maksimal rugi kita hanya $2...Sedangkan utk keuntungan sama persis dgn yg kita dapat jika beli saham.Misal: harganya naik ke $30 Klo beli saham untung $5..ROI = $5 / $25 = 20%sedangkan klo beli options untung $5 juga, tapi ROI = $5 / $2 = 250%Begitu Pak :)Jika Bpk berminat belajar options, coba ke www.optionetics.com ato melalui yahoofinance juga ada koq!Sekedar info saja bwt nambah2 wawasan...boleh kan?HeheThank you Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. -- Oskar Syahbanahttp://permagnus.com/ -- A Financial site with a human touch __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Small business finance Business finance online Business finance training Business finance course Business finance schools Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Dinamika Milis
Saya setuju dengan Eyang Pak Aria, Saya termasuk penggemar tulisan dan opini2 Mr. FS, Mbah, Mr. Oentoeng, Vibby, dll. Pendapat pasti selalu ada yang berbeda. Contohnya : Pernahkan ada yang mencoba membawa 1 (satu) gambar chart (TA) diperlihatkan kepada beberapa orang yang berbeda (orang yang ngerti TA tentunya) lalu orang-orang tersebut kita minta pendapatnya/commentnya. Ajaib sekali ternyata beberapa orang itu punya pendapat yang berbeda-beda padahal, gambar chart yang diperlihatkan sama, ya.. yang cuma satu itu.Itulah makanya kenapa terjadi selalu ada BID disisi kiri dan OFFER disisi kanan. Itu menandakan bahwasebagian orangberpendapat TIME TOBUY dan pada saat yang sama sebagian lainnya berpendapat TIME TO SELL. Jadi siapa yang benar atau salahatau siapa yang lebih pinter atau lebih bodoh.Apakah anda akan terkejut kalau pendapat SELL BUY tadi sama-sama keluar dari Analyst. Jadi bahkan analyst pun bisa punya pendapat yang berbeda terhadap satu chart yang sama.Bahkan dengan Metode Pembacaan Chart yang sama pun sering terjadi pendapat/pandangan Analyst yang satu berbeda dengan yang lainnya. Belum lagi narik2 garisnya pasti lebih beda lagiSekedar Saran, FIND OUR OWN TRADING STYLE WHICHWE ARE COMFORTABLE WITH AND MEANTIME OPEN OUR MIND FOR SOMEONE ELSE'S OPINION AND STYLE.Bingung kan.. hue..he..Salam, EddySoeratman Doerachman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Saya mengikuti posting-posting yang terakhir dari milis ini sampai mBah mengeluarkan Cooling Down Posting. Saran saya jadikanlah ketidak sepakatan antar kita bukan sebagai pertentangan melainkan kita anggap sebagai khasanah dinamika yg memperkaya pandangan-pandangan di milis ini.Tidak ada yang salah tapi dalam jungle ini tapi marketlah yang selalu benarRatman http://www.j-club.biz Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo! Small Business. __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Small business finance Business finance online Business finance training Business finance course Business finance schools Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
Balasan: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI?
Weleh-weleh seru banget nih tapi kok melenceng perdebatannya, kan lebih baik berdebat pakai logika dan bukan sekedar kata-kata. Ayo dong jangan dihentikan perdebatannya tapi jangan melenceng kearah saling menghina ataupun mengata-ngatai dan juga jangan berdebat ala kusir yg tanpa reasoning dan logic. .Asalkan tidak menyeret orang ke dalam jurang ya nggak apa-apa toh.Frederick Schubert [EMAIL PROTECTED] menulis: sharing infos in this milist is just like against a bunch of mob...who don't want to be criticised and could not accept someone's else opinion... i would rather have a battle in the marketbut, i know people like pak edy1276 and effendi ang..? hehe are very smart and have big investment...so.. my apology, then.. this is my last comment please consider all of my comment as disclaimer and ignore them... promise and swear not to give any opnion anymore... and my best respect to embah or mbah, pak oen, and pak vibby ...keep up a good work and remind people to always be wise in investing their money in the jungle world of the equity market peace and cheers to you all bye edy1276 [EMAIL PROTECTED]com wrote: nopebut i may be looking at heavily investing some big chunk of my fundTong Kosong Nyaring Bunyinya..not that funnyi stll have some at an average of IDR35so...take an easy...Menjilat ludah sendiri--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert pemainbesar@... wrote: not that funnyi stll have some at an average of IDR35so...take an easy... hehe up_trends [EMAIL PROTECTED].. wrote: funny when some people said this stock is good but actually they still dont invest in it. if u are sure enough bumi is going to 1200, why u still don't have bumi? :) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert pemainbesar@ wrote: nopebut i may be looking at heavily investing some big chunk of my fund and may forecast for BUMI fair value is more than 1,200 rups..but, what u said reminded me to an event when i told people that Telkom's fair value is at 9,000 rups...at that times Telkom's share price was at 4,400haha peace ah..up_trends up_trends@ wrote: I'm guessing u have bumi? well good luck :)--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubertpemainbesar@ wrote: don't have any problem with my investment...my problem now is that i don't understand with what you said... peace up_trends up_trends@ wrote: the problem is are u strong enough to see other stocks rally giving ua whooping 20%+ gain while bumi ... :) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubertpemainbesar@ wrote: well...come on...be realistic... and please separate corporate actionand assets as of September 30 2006 (next 9-month earnings),BUMI's assets should remain at IDR16.99 trillion, compared with PTBAof ONLY IDR2.68 trillion, or INCO of IDR15.23 trillion or ANTM ofIDR6.6 trillion.If BUMI CAN manage its current debts by any kind of refinancingor loan bridging or whatsoeverBUMI mabe as attractive as Inco... The question for BUMI is how they can manage their cashflow...and maintain its loyal foreign buyersSo, with or without selling KPC and ARUTMIN, which are thelargest coal miner by ASSETS and reserves, BUMI still has potentialfor long term investment.cheersariabela@ wrote:Sepertinya, pade kalah 'senior' semua sama yg punyanya,ya - nanti lama2juga akan terlupakan/terselesaikan dg sendirinya...Aria Asetnya BUMI keliatannya masih menarik dhe.. ie :Arutmin, KPCetc... tapi manajemennya,,yakkhh. - Original Message - From: up_trends To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 3:54 PM Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI? what goes around comes around. boongin berita di bumi, ketimpasial lumpur enrg. minum deh tuh lumpur sampe kenyang. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "Jamal Nasution" jamal@ wrote:klo cp nya beli banyak berarti mo kesana tapi klo belinya cuma dikit berarti barang banyak nyangkut itu riset kapan? sesudah pembatalan KPC ya - Original Message - From: Handika Wisnu To: Bandar Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 12:43 PM Subject: [obrolan-bandar] masih layakkah BUMI? Saya saat ini megang saham BUMI dalam jumlah yg lumayan banyak (menurut saya) karena dulu terpikat dgn janji mo bagi dividen Rp 200/saham. Nah, yg mo saya tanyain...apakah BUMI masih layak dipertahankan ato tidak? Soalnya hasil dari cut loss ini akan saya alihkan untuk invest options di US market yg return-nya rata2 10% per bulan (strategi konservatif). Tapi barusan saya baca review BEJ dari pusat riset Valburybilang klo
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Pengaruh BBNI ke Index.
hehee.. halo apakabar Bos Herman.. gak usah dulu dipusingin nanti bakal dibanting, yg penting ikut kereta yg bener menuju cuan.. kl ada gelagat2 bakal turun hujan.. mending kabur aja.. biarin aja diledekin edi tansil.. yg penting sempat orgasme :D On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 19:30:18 +0700, Herman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hari ini index +22, penyumbang kedua besar adalah BBNI dengan kenaikan buat index 5point lebih (BBNI +290 perak) pdhl jumlah valuenya ngak sebanding dengan TLKM. BBNI naik dari 1200 sampe ke 2080, dah sumbang brp point ? Udah 17point. Gimana kl YU,SM yg 'goreng' BBNI banting BBNI ke bawah lagi, index drop kebrp ? Pls comment Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [obrolan-bandar] just sharing aja ... ga ada maksud apa-2, apalagi maksud mau menggurui ...
sharingnya sangat bagus dan bijak, Pak.. saya jg sependapat dengan anda saya gak jg gak anti dengan saham bakrie, misalpun beli.. itu bukan karena fundamentalnya.. tapi memang trading hanya krn faktor teknikal aja. resiko investasi ditanggung oleh masing2 penumpang, jd gak ada yg perlu diperdebatkan.. hehee salam, On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 21:32:16 +0700, boyz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: melihat banyak yg anti terhadap Bakrie's stock, saya jadi ingat pengalaman saya dulu. dulu saya juga punya banyak bad experience in some stocks, salah satu yg paling saya ingat adalah MEDC. dulu saya sebel banget ama saham ini, soalnya gak pernah cuan disaham ini. take loss trus. selalu salah entry, begitu beli, turun ... saking sebelnya, saya pernah bersumpah untuk tidak pernah trading disaham ini. tapi anehnya, saya punya teman yg hampir selalu cuan disaham ini ... karena penasaran, saya coba korek informasi darinya, apakah dia punya info bandar, kok cuan melulu sih? eh jawaban dia bukannya membuat saya enlightened, malah bikin saya mikir sambil jongkok (mirip kayak bung redy mendengar penjelasan mr. oentoeng, hehehe) jawaban teman saya: coba liat chart (of any stocks not just MEDC), consider it as a snake. nah, if you try to catch a snake, catch its head don't its tail. don't be afraid but always careful. setelah lama berjongkok ria ... akhirnya sedikit2 saya enlightened ... bahwa maksudnya dia adalah TREND. Go along with trend, the trend is u'r friend so don't against it. when the trend is formed, jump to it. mirip kayak penjelasan bandarmologi-nya mbah dan mr. oentoeng, cuma bedanya dalam bandarmologi, di gambarkan sebagai gerbong dan gerombolan gajah disaat terlihat gerombolan gajah2 besar, ikut. disaat kereta mau berangkat, buruan beli ticket dan masuk gerbong. well dari situ i become trend follower, tujuan saya bermain di saham adalah profit, so profit is what i'm looking for no need to be an idealist in market ... and then saya langgar sumpah saya lalu saya coba trading lagi di MEDC ... DAN HASILNYA ... TETAP LOSS hahaha ... lalu saya banyak-2 baca success story of people in market, learn some trading system, formulating it and applied it in market ... lalu . HAPPY ENDING. (salah satu yg paling saya suka adalah kisah Nicolas Darvas, ada kemiripan kisah. bedanya dia punya kecerdasan dan kedisiplinan to trade in his own developed system, sedangkan saya yg culun ini hanya bisa ikut-2an adopt some trading systems). saya beritahu teman saya ... bro, i got it. i got its head :) hoammm udahan dulu ah ... ngantuk Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: Balasan: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI?
duh bingung pada marahan yak... bulan puasa ni euy.. hmmm...BUMI menurut abdi teh sebaiknya nunggu di 660 or below it.. kalo ga dapet ? yo wis daripada BOENTOENG ngambil di harga SEKARANG.. terus kena guyur LUMPUR PANAS .. peace ah ^^... salam hangat, gitto kurniasanto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Weleh-weleh seru banget nih tapi kok melenceng perdebatannya, kan lebih baik berdebat pakai logika dan bukan sekedar kata-kata. Ayo dong jangan dihentikan perdebatannya tapi jangan melenceng kearah saling menghina ataupun mengata-ngatai dan juga jangan berdebat ala kusir yg tanpa reasoning dan logic. . Asalkan tidak menyeret orang ke dalam jurang ya nggak apa-apa toh. Frederick Schubert [EMAIL PROTECTED] menulis: sharing infos in this milist is just like against a bunch of mob...who don't want to be criticised and could not accept someone's else opinion... i would rather have a battle in the marketbut, i know people like pak edy1276 and effendi ang..? hehe are very smart and have big investment...so.. my apology, then.. this is my last comment please consider all of my comment as disclaimer and ignore them... promise and swear not to give any opnion anymore... and my best respect to embah or mbah, pak oen, and pak vibby ...keep up a good work and remind people to always be wise in investing their money in the jungle world of the equity market peace and cheers to you all bye edy1276 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: nopebut i may be looking at heavily investing some big chunk of my fund Tong Kosong Nyaring Bunyinya.. not that funnyi stll have some at an average of IDR35so...take an easy... Menjilat ludah sendiri --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: not that funnyi stll have some at an average of IDR35so...take an easy... hehe up_trends [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: funny when some people said this stock is good but actually they still dont invest in it. if u are sure enough bumi is going to 1200, why u still don't have bumi? :) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert pemainbesar@ wrote: nopebut i may be looking at heavily investing some big chunk of my fund and may forecast for BUMI fair value is more than 1,200 rups.. but, what u said reminded me to an event when i told people that Telkom's fair value is at 9,000 rups...at that times Telkom's share price was at 4,400haha peace ah.. up_trends up_trends@ wrote: I'm guessing u have bumi? well good luck :) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert pemainbesar@ wrote: don't have any problem with my investment...my problem now is that i don't understand with what you said... peace up_trends up_trends@ wrote: the problem is are u strong enough to see other stocks rally giving u a whooping 20%+ gain while bumi ... :) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert pemainbesar@ wrote: well... come on...be realistic... and please separate corporate action and assets as of September 30 2006 (next Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[obrolan-bandar] Re: just sharing aja ... ga ada maksud apa-2, apalagi maksud mau menggurui ...
Hi Bro, thanks for sharing your experience. Boleh memberi tahu saya yang masih bodoh ini bagaimana cara menangkap kepala ular? How to confirm a trend? :-) Appreciate it! Rgds, HS --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, boyz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: melihat banyak yg anti terhadap Bakrie's stock, saya jadi ingat pengalaman saya dulu. dulu saya juga punya banyak bad experience in some stocks, salah satu yg paling saya ingat adalah MEDC. dulu saya sebel banget ama saham ini, soalnya gak pernah cuan disaham ini. take loss trus. selalu salah entry, begitu beli, turun ... saking sebelnya, saya pernah bersumpah untuk tidak pernah trading disaham ini. tapi anehnya, saya punya teman yg hampir selalu cuan disaham ini ... karena penasaran, saya coba korek informasi darinya, apakah dia punya info bandar, kok cuan melulu sih? eh jawaban dia bukannya membuat saya enlightened, malah bikin saya mikir sambil jongkok (mirip kayak bung redy mendengar penjelasan mr. oentoeng, hehehe) jawaban teman saya: coba liat chart (of any stocks not just MEDC), consider it as a snake. nah, if you try to catch a snake, catch its head don't its tail. don't be afraid but always careful. setelah lama berjongkok ria ... akhirnya sedikit2 saya enlightened ... bahwa maksudnya dia adalah TREND. Go along with trend, the trend is u'r friend so don't against it. when the trend is formed, jump to it. mirip kayak penjelasan bandarmologi-nya mbah dan mr. oentoeng, cuma bedanya dalam bandarmologi, di gambarkan sebagai gerbong dan gerombolan gajah disaat terlihat gerombolan gajah2 besar, ikut. disaat kereta mau berangkat, buruan beli ticket dan masuk gerbong. well dari situ i become trend follower, tujuan saya bermain di saham adalah profit, so profit is what i'm looking for no need to be an idealist in market ... and then saya langgar sumpah saya lalu saya coba trading lagi di MEDC ... DAN HASILNYA ... TETAP LOSS hahaha ... lalu saya banyak-2 baca success story of people in market, learn some trading system, formulating it and applied it in market ... lalu . HAPPY ENDING. (salah satu yg paling saya suka adalah kisah Nicolas Darvas, ada kemiripan kisah. bedanya dia punya kecerdasan dan kedisiplinan to trade in his own developed system, sedangkan saya yg culun ini hanya bisa ikut-2an adopt some trading systems). saya beritahu teman saya ... bro, i got it. i got its head :) hoammm udahan dulu ah ... ngantuk Send instant messages to your online friends http://asia.messenger.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Utk ji3soe____BUMI dan options
Gak ngerti soal options, tapi denger2 options emang berikan return jauh lebih tinggi daripada saham. Seperti halnya any instument yg berikan return tinggi, resikonya tinggi jg. Jadi teringat: 1. Waktu ikut preview PALM Method oleh Dr Jason Yeo, beliau berkali2 mengatakan bahwa options are designed for institutional, not you, not me 2. Alexander Elder dalam bukunya Come into my trading room mengatakan bahwa umumnya orang klo membeli buku saham, bbrp bulan lagi mungkin kembali untuk membeli buku lainnya, artinya mungkin ada proggres dan terus belajar. Klo org tersebut beli buku options untuk pertama kalinya, kecil kemungkinan dia akan kembali lagi. Bukannya options jelek, tapi seperti kata Kiyosaki: bukan instrument investasinya yang beresiko, tapi investornyalah yang beresiko, so be prepared lah my friend. Makanya yok ikut KDO :-D Wiro.On 9/27/06, redyherinantoalb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sedangkan jika kita beli options MSFT (misalkan seharga $2), mosahamnya ancur ampe nol pun maksimal rugi kita hanya $2...Rugi $2 dari investasi $2 sepertinya total loss ya??? Lebihsadis dari maen futures neh Just my oppinion...Redy--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Karno Edy [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Kalo gak salah option masanya pendek (bulanan) ? Kalo saham bisa dihold gak terbatas. - Original Message - From: Handika Wisnu To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; Bandar Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 4:17 PM Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Utk ji3soeBUMI dan options Wah, terimakasih banyak bwt sarannya utk BUMI. Memang ni saham yg satu ini banyak masalah!! awalnya mo untungbesar dari dividen Rp 200 itu...ehh, malah buntung!! Tapi klo dilihat dari aset yg dimiliki BUMI msh pny masa depan. Cuma masalahnya kapan...itu yg paling penting. Soalnya saya itung2time value uang saya jd hilang klo didiemin di BUMI terus, mendingdialihkan ke yg lain..options misalkan. Trus mengenai options...Bpk uda pernah belajar ato ikut training options? Saya sarankan ikutan belajar jg Pak...perharinya saya dapat $100dari investasi saya di options. (saya pny resep rahasianyasih,hahaha) Klo di options tu malah faktor resikonya lebih terkendali...terutama jika kita bertindak sebagai options buyer,loss maksimal tu ya sebesar premi options yg kita bayar. jadi klo di saham kita BUY STOCK, di options tu kita BUY CALL. Ketika sahamnya anjlok ampe nilainya 0 (nol), kerugian kita klo beli saham ya sebesar penurunan harga itu...sedangkan di optionsruginya cuma sebatas premi. Contoh: Microsoft (MSFT) sekarang di $25..nah klo kita beli sahamnya danternyata Microsoft-nya ancur (harganya jadi nol)...ya kerugian kita $25 perlembar saham. sedangkan jika kita beli options MSFT (misalkan seharga $2), mosahamnya ancur ampe nol pun maksimal rugi kita hanya $2... Sedangkan utk keuntungan sama persis dgn yg kita dapat jika beli saham. Misal: harganya naik ke $30 Klo beli saham untung $5..ROI = $5 / $25 = 20% sedangkan klo beli options untung $5 juga, tapi ROI = $5 / $2 =250% Begitu Pak :) Jika Bpk berminat belajar options, coba ke www.optionetics.comato melalui yahoofinance juga ada koq! Sekedar info saja bwt nambah2 wawasan...boleh kan? Hehe Thank you -- Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/ * Your email settings:Individual Email | Traditional* To change settings online go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/join (Yahoo! ID required)* To change settings via email:mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- Best regards,Wiro. __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Small business finance Business finance online Business finance training Business finance course Business finance schools Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
[obrolan-bandar] Re: Dinamika Milis
Betul sekali pak Eddy, milis ini akan kehilangan banyak kalau sampai Frederick tidak mau posting lagi, lihat aja his last word, keep good worked to Mbah, Pak Oen, Vibby dll, so people can invest their money wisely Terakhir dia mau share informasi ke kita tentang hedge fund maturity, dan terbukti akurat darimana lagi kita akan dapat info seakurat itu Prediksi2 nya tentang index pun harus kita akui dengan jujur akurasinya. very rational person... seperti Pak Eddy, saya juga selalu interest dengan analisanya Style investasi setiap orang berbeda2, tapi dengan semakin lengkapnya bimbingan/analisa maka kesalahan akan dapat di perkecil Mbah dengan bandarmology nya, pak Oen dengan ilmu tangan kosongnya, pak Vibby dengan lilinnya, dan Frederick dengan money flow nya yang sangat rational Yang sangat tidak bisa saya mengerti adalah analisa base on hatred, dendam The damage sudah terjadi apa boleh buat. Redy --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Eddy Purnomo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Saya setuju dengan Eyang Pak Aria, Saya termasuk penggemar tulisan dan opini2 Mr. FS, Mbah, Mr. Oentoeng, Vibby, dll. Pendapat pasti selalu ada yang berbeda. Contohnya : Pernahkan ada yang mencoba membawa 1 (satu) gambar chart (TA) diperlihatkan kepada beberapa orang yang berbeda (orang yang ngerti TA tentunya) lalu orang-orang tersebut kita minta pendapatnya/commentnya. Ajaib sekali ternyata beberapa orang itu punya pendapat yang berbeda-beda padahal, gambar chart yang diperlihatkan sama, ya.. yang cuma satu itu. Itulah makanya kenapa terjadi selalu ada BID disisi kiri dan OFFER disisi kanan. Itu menandakan bahwa sebagian orang berpendapat TIME TO BUY dan pada saat yang sama sebagian lainnya berpendapat TIME TO SELL. Jadi siapa yang benar atau salah atau siapa yang lebih pinter atau lebih bodoh. Apakah anda akan terkejut kalau pendapat SELL BUY tadi sama- sama keluar dari Analyst. Jadi bahkan analyst pun bisa punya pendapat yang berbeda terhadap satu chart yang sama. Bahkan dengan Metode Pembacaan Chart yang sama pun sering terjadi pendapat/pandangan Analyst yang satu berbeda dengan yang lainnya. Belum lagi narik2 garisnya pasti lebih beda lagi Sekedar Saran, FIND OUR OWN TRADING STYLE WHICH WE ARE COMFORTABLE WITH AND MEANTIME OPEN OUR MIND FOR SOMEONE ELSE'S OPINION AND STYLE. Bingung kan.. hue..he.. Salam, Eddy Soeratman Doerachman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Saya mengikuti posting-posting yang terakhir dari milis ini sampai mBah mengeluarkan Cooling Down Posting. Saran saya jadikanlah ketidak sepakatan antar kita bukan sebagai pertentangan melainkan kita anggap sebagai khasanah dinamika yg memperkaya pandangan-pandangan di milis ini. Tidak ada yang salah tapi dalam jungle ini tapi marketlah yang selalu benar Ratman http://www.j-club.biz - Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo! Small Business. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[obrolan-bandar] Re: just sharing aja ... ga ada maksud apa-2, apalagi maksud mau menggurui ...
begitulah di dunia ini, banyak keanehan... saya dari dulu maen CTRA gak pernah cuan... cuan dikit loss banyak... pokoknya mines terus... saya akhirnya give up ada saham saham yang berjodoh sama kita, ada yang tidak agak takgajul seh but true. Redy --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, boyz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: melihat banyak yg anti terhadap Bakrie's stock, saya jadi ingat pengalaman saya dulu. dulu saya juga punya banyak bad experience in some stocks, salah satu yg paling saya ingat adalah MEDC. dulu saya sebel banget ama saham ini, soalnya gak pernah cuan disaham ini. take loss trus. selalu salah entry, begitu beli, turun ... saking sebelnya, saya pernah bersumpah untuk tidak pernah trading disaham ini. tapi anehnya, saya punya teman yg hampir selalu cuan disaham ini ... karena penasaran, saya coba korek informasi darinya, apakah dia punya info bandar, kok cuan melulu sih? eh jawaban dia bukannya membuat saya enlightened, malah bikin saya mikir sambil jongkok (mirip kayak bung redy mendengar penjelasan mr. oentoeng, hehehe) jawaban teman saya: coba liat chart (of any stocks not just MEDC), consider it as a snake. nah, if you try to catch a snake, catch its head don't its tail. don't be afraid but always careful. setelah lama berjongkok ria ... akhirnya sedikit2 saya enlightened ... bahwa maksudnya dia adalah TREND. Go along with trend, the trend is u'r friend so don't against it. when the trend is formed, jump to it. mirip kayak penjelasan bandarmologi-nya mbah dan mr. oentoeng, cuma bedanya dalam bandarmologi, di gambarkan sebagai gerbong dan gerombolan gajah disaat terlihat gerombolan gajah2 besar, ikut. disaat kereta mau berangkat, buruan beli ticket dan masuk gerbong. well dari situ i become trend follower, tujuan saya bermain di saham adalah profit, so profit is what i'm looking for no need to be an idealist in market ... and then saya langgar sumpah saya lalu saya coba trading lagi di MEDC ... DAN HASILNYA ... TETAP LOSS hahaha ... lalu saya banyak-2 baca success story of people in market, learn some trading system, formulating it and applied it in market ... lalu . HAPPY ENDING. (salah satu yg paling saya suka adalah kisah Nicolas Darvas, ada kemiripan kisah. bedanya dia punya kecerdasan dan kedisiplinan to trade in his own developed system, sedangkan saya yg culun ini hanya bisa ikut-2an adopt some trading systems). saya beritahu teman saya ... bro, i got it. i got its head :) hoammm udahan dulu ah ... ngantuk Send instant messages to your online friends http://asia.messenger.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[obrolan-bandar] Re: ke BBNI
Sorry agak nelat jawabnya pak... Maklum akhir2 ini memang saya jarang di depan monitor Ikutan Embah nkali; beda di KALI-nya aja...di sini banyak LOKAL-an (LAPENDOS) bedanya dg pantai KUTA. Kembali ke BBNI; walaupun byk org tahu tapi bagi saya sentimen yg paling mengemuka adalah PERBAIKAN NPL; Khan di mass media terlihat SERIUS tuh penyelesaian oleh BBNI. Yaitu ajakan bernegosiasi kepada para debitur macet. Dll.. Kalau bicara kinerja; setahu saya biasa2 tuh Dasarnya manajemen baru malah sempat NAMBAHI prosentase NPL.. So... Tapi ada juga sentimen DIVESTASI; suatu saat nanti BMRI pasti akan dilewatin isu ini juga. Yang paling penting bagi saya adalah JCI kalau mau NAIK lebih TINGGI; Semua PERSENJATAAN harus DISIAPKAN! Ini khan PR bagi BOZZ... Termasuk saham yg LIKUIDITAS yg tinggi... (kayak INKP dan TKIM yg lagi digerilya teru) Kalau dilihat saham yg beredar BBNI dan BBRI khan hampir sama; malah banyakan BBNI dikit. Masalahnya terlalu banyak orang rugi di BBNI; maklum saham lama temannya BNII. Jadi inget OrBa nih... Salam --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, T Halim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bener pak O, saya juga tadi terkaget kaget ngeliat BNI melangit gitu. Ada reason kuat utk kisah ini pak? Best regards, th - Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Utk ji3soe____BUMI dan options
Kemaren malem saya dapet 2 kontrak saham gratis dari Options dengan profits 75% tuh di Quotes IGT hehehe.. Asik-asik aja si options mah... Yok KDO - Original Message - From: Wiro Hardy To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 9:14 PM Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Utk ji3soeBUMI dan options Gak ngerti soal options, tapi denger2 options emang berikan return jauh lebih tinggi daripada saham. Seperti halnya any instument yg berikan return tinggi, resikonya tinggi jg. Jadi teringat:1. Waktu ikut preview PALM Method oleh Dr Jason Yeo, beliau berkali2 mengatakan bahwa "options are designed for institutional, not you, not me"2. Alexander Elder dalam bukunya "Come into my trading room" mengatakan bahwa umumnya orang klo membeli buku saham, bbrp bulan lagi mungkin kembali untuk membeli buku lainnya, artinya mungkin ada proggres dan terus belajar. Klo org tersebut beli buku options untuk pertama kalinya, kecil kemungkinan dia akan kembali lagi.Bukannya options jelek, tapi seperti kata Kiyosaki: "bukan instrument investasinya yang beresiko, tapi investornyalah yang beresiko", so be prepared lah my friend. Makanya yok ikut KDO :-DWiro. On 9/27/06, redyherinantoalb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sedangkan jika kita beli options MSFT (misalkan seharga $2), mosahamnya ancur ampe nol pun maksimal rugi kita hanya $2...Rugi $2 dari investasi $2 sepertinya total loss ya??? Lebihsadis dari maen futures neh Just my oppinion...Redy--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "Karno Edy" [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Kalo gak salah option masanya pendek (bulanan) ? Kalo saham bisa dihold gak terbatas. - Original Message - From: Handika Wisnu To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; Bandar Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 4:17 PM Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Utk ji3soeBUMI dan options Wah, terimakasih banyak bwt sarannya utk BUMI. Memang ni saham yg satu ini banyak masalah!! awalnya mo untungbesar dari dividen Rp 200 itu...ehh, malah buntung!! Tapi klo dilihat dari aset yg dimiliki BUMI msh pny masa depan. Cuma masalahnya kapan...itu yg paling penting. Soalnya saya itung2time value uang saya jd hilang klo didiemin di BUMI terus, mendingdialihkan ke yg lain..options misalkan. Trus mengenai options...Bpk uda pernah belajar ato ikut training options? Saya sarankan ikutan belajar jg Pak...perharinya saya dapat $100dari investasi saya di options. (saya pny resep rahasianyasih,hahaha) Klo di options tu malah faktor resikonya lebih terkendali...terutama jika kita bertindak sebagai options buyer,loss maksimal tu ya sebesar premi options yg kita bayar. jadi klo di saham kita BUY STOCK, di options tu kita BUY CALL. Ketika sahamnya anjlok ampe nilainya 0 (nol), kerugian kita klo beli saham ya sebesar penurunan harga itu...sedangkan di optionsruginya cuma sebatas premi. Contoh: Microsoft (MSFT) sekarang di $25..nah klo kita beli sahamnya danternyata Microsoft-nya ancur (harganya jadi nol)...ya kerugian kita $25 perlembar saham. sedangkan jika kita beli options MSFT (misalkan seharga $2), mosahamnya ancur ampe nol pun maksimal rugi kita hanya $2... Sedangkan utk keuntungan sama persis dgn yg kita dapat jika beli saham. Misal: harganya naik ke $30 Klo beli saham untung $5..ROI = $5 / $25 = 20% sedangkan klo beli options untung $5 juga, tapi ROI = $5 / $2 =250% Begitu Pak :) Jika Bpk berminat belajar options, coba ke www.optionetics.comato melalui yahoofinance juga ada koq! Sekedar info saja bwt nambah2 wawasan...boleh kan? Hehe Thank you -- Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/ * Your email settings:Individual Email | Traditional* To change settings online go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/join (Yahoo! ID required)* To change settings via email:mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- Best regards,Wiro. __ NOD32 1.1677 (20060724) Information __This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.http://www.eset.com __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Small business finance Business finance online Business finance training Business finance course
[obrolan-bandar] [saham] Re: How does EXPERT predict the TARGET PRICE
Koreksi: - IHSG bergerak lagi setelah CAPITAL FLOW relatif tidak BERGERAK. Seharusnya: IHSG bergerak lagi TAPI CAPITAL FLOW relatif TIDAK bergerak --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Embah [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Suhu IAN memang RUAR BIASA, embah mohon dikasih petunjuk untuk dikasih SEDIKIT aja ilmu Pertapaan Tapak Sucinya Note: - IHSG bergerak lagi setelah CAPITAL FLOW relatif tidak BERGERAK. - IHSG bergerak lagi karena PENGARUH regional - Embah kirimkan grafik Elliot Wave, terlihat target IHSG 1550(=1549) adalah terminal wave 5 dengan ratio 1. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: ke BBNI
Goyang terus BOOOZUdah 2.200 neehoentoeng_q [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry agak nelat jawabnya pak... Maklum akhir2 ini memang saya jarang di depan monitor Ikutan Embah nkali; beda di KALI-nya aja...di sini banyak LOKAL-an (LAPENDOS) bedanya dg pantai KUTA. Kembali ke BBNI; walaupun byk org tahu tapi bagi saya sentimen yg paling mengemuka adalah PERBAIKAN NPL; Khan di mass media terlihat SERIUS tuh penyelesaian oleh BBNI. Yaitu ajakan bernegosiasi kepada para debitur "macet". Dll.. Kalau bicara kinerja; setahu saya biasa2 tuh Dasarnya manajemen baru malah sempat NAMBAHI prosentase NPL.. So... Tapi ada juga sentimen DIVESTASI; suatu saat nanti BMRI pasti akan dilewatin isu ini juga. Yang paling penting bagi saya adalah JCI kalau mau NAIK lebih TINGGI; Semua PERSENJATAAN harus DISIAPKAN! Ini khan PR bagi BOZZ... Termasuk saham yg LIKUIDITAS yg tinggi... (kayak INKP dan TKIM yg lagi digerilya teru) Kalau dilihat saham yg beredar BBNI dan BBRI khan hampir sama; malah banyakan BBNI dikit. Masalahnya terlalu banyak orang rugi di BBNI; maklum "saham lama" temannya BNII. Jadi inget OrBa nih... Salam --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, T Halim [EMAIL PROTECTED]. wrote: Bener pak O, saya juga tadi terkaget kaget ngeliat BNI melangit gitu. Ada reason kuat utk kisah ini pak? Best regards, th - Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail. Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail. __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Small business finance Business finance online Business finance training Business finance course Business finance schools Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: ke BBNI
Busyettt BBNI nyalip BMRI... ck..ck...ck... Bandarnya emang OK. teguh r [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Goyang terus BOOOZUdah 2.200 neeh Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Small business finance Business finance online Business finance training Business finance course Business finance schools Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: ke BBNI
AYOOO BOOOZ .2700 Bentar Lagiii..Eddy Purnomo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Busyettt BBNI nyalip BMRI... ck..ck...ck... Bandarnya emang OK. teguh r [EMAIL PROTECTED]com wrote: Goyang terus BOOOZUdah 2.200 neehYahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Small business finance Business finance online Business finance training Business finance course Business finance schools Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
[obrolan-bandar] Re: ke BBNI
Itu namanya Teknik KEJAR TAYANG kayak sinetron... Lawannya Teknik KURA-KURAbiar lambat asal selamat.. Sebentar lagi kita punya pasangan BMRI vs BBNI Di sebelahnya BBRI vs BBCA... Peace and harmony katanya... Hehehe --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Eddy Purnomo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Busyettt BBNI nyalip BMRI... ck..ck...ck... Bandarnya emang OK. teguh r [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Goyang terus BOOOZ Udah 2.200 neeh - Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Balasan: Re: Balasan: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI?
Ternyata ekspansi perusahaan Malaysia tidak hanya membeli perusahaan di Indonesia, tapi mereka ada niat memindahkan ibukotanya ke Sidoarjo...Kuala Lumpur (panas) Tigor Naelgitto kurniasanto [EMAIL PROTECTED] menulis: duh bingung pada marahan yak... bulan puasa ni euy.. hmmm...BUMI menurut abdi teh sebaiknya nunggu di 660 or below it.. kalo ga dapet ? yo wis daripada BOENTOENG ngambil di harga SEKARANG.. terus kena guyur LUMPUR PANAS .. peace ah ^^... salam hangat, gitto kurniasanto[tukang.sapu@yahoo.co.id] wrote:Weleh-weleh seru banget nih tapi kok melenceng perdebatannya, kan lebih baik berdebat pakai logika dan bukan sekedar kata-kata. Ayo dong jangan dihentikan perdebatannya tapi jangan melenceng kearah saling menghina ataupun mengata-ngatai dan juga jangan berdebat ala kusir yg tanpa reasoning dan logic. .Asalkan tidak menyeret orang ke dalam jurang ya nggak apa-apa toh.Frederick Schubert pemainbesar@yahoo.com menulis: sharing infos in this milist is just like against a bunch of mob...who don't want to be criticised and could not accept someone's else opinion...i would rather have a battle in the marketbut, i know people like pak edy1276 and effendi ang..? hehe are very smart and have big investment...so.. my apology, then..this is my last comment please consider all of my comment as disclaimer and ignore them...promise and swear not to give any opnion anymore...and my best respect to embah or mbah, pak oen, and pak vibby ...keep up a good work and remind people to always be wise in investing their money in the jungle world of the equity marketpeace and cheers to you allbyeedy1276 [EMAIL PROTECTED]com wrote:nopebut i may be looking at heavily investing some big chunk of my fundTong Kosong Nyaring Bunyinya..not that funnyi stll have some at an average of IDR35so...take an easy...Menjilat ludah sendiri--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert pemainbesar@... wrote: not that funnyi stll have some at an average of IDR35so...take an easy... hehe up_trends [EMAIL PROTECTED].. wrote: funny when some people said this stock is good but actually they still dont invest in it. if u are sure enough bumi is going to 1200, why u still don't have bumi? :) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert pemainbesar@ wrote: nopebut i may be looking at heavily investing some big chunk of my fund and may forecast for BUMI fair value is more than 1,200 rups..but, what u said reminded me to an event when i told people that Telkom's fair value is at 9,000 rups...at that times Telkom's share price was at 4,400haha peace ah..up_trends up_trends@ wrote: I'm guessing u have bumi? well good luck :)--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert pemainbesar@ wrote: don't have any problem with my investment...my problem now is that i don't understand with what you said... peace up_trends up_trends@ wrote: the problem is are u strong enough to see other stocks rally giving ua whooping 20%+ gain while bumi ... :) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubertpemainbesar@ wrote: well...come on...be realistic... and please separate corporate actionand assets as of September 30 2006 (next Apakah Anda Yahoo!?Kunjungi halaman depan Yahoo! Indonesia yang baru! __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Small business finance Business finance online Business finance training Business finance course Business finance schools Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
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[obrolan-bandar] A-Khong Bagi Cerita
Nuwun sewu..Saya baru beli buku (baru, masih segel), dipinjam DUA ORANG secara bergantian. Sewaktu dikembalikan orang PERTAMA, kondisi buku tetap BAGUS (tidak ada coretan, lipatan, bekas makanan, dll). Setelah itu dipinjam orang KEDUA, dan setelah dikembalikan kondisi cover buku aja yang masih bagus, sedangkan isi halaman penuh dengan coretan tangan dengan tinta penuh WARNA-WARNI (isi hati), halaman yang telah dilipat (menandakan dia telah membaca pada posisi tersebut), dan bekas makanan (baca sambil makan).Cuma bagi cerita aja. Matur nuwun..Khong All new Yahoo! Mail "The new Interface is stunning in its simplicity and ease of use." - PC Magazine __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Small business finance Business finance online Business finance training Business finance course Business finance schools Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
[obrolan-bandar] Re: INDF
ada menunya pak, kalo gak salah ctrl o buat kayak gitu. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Eddy Purnomo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ada yang kurang kerjaan lagi BT jadi maen-maenin INDF. Jualan 6000 lot tapi per transaksi 6 lot. Floor Tradernya enggak pegel, kita yang nontonnya PEGEL, he..he..he... - Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[obrolan-bandar] JSX Alert
JSX telah mencapai target C'n H pertamanya yang terbentuk sejak pertengahan May - pertengahan July. Melihat Top Gainer siang ini, sungguh menakjubkan TOP TEN GAINERnya bahkan saya belum pernah denger nama sahamnya So, Hati2 dengan koreksi yang kemungkinan bisa terjadi. BEWARE OF BULLISH TRAPS, AND KEEP YOUR STOP LOSS TIGHT !!! Semoga membantu Vibby __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Small business finance Business finance online Business finance training Business finance course Business finance schools Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
