Re: [ob] Dollar rises vs euro on renewed risk aversion
Saya coba jawab. Hari Jumat ini ada pengumuman government unemployment report untuk bulan Juli. Angkanya, menurut estimate, masih tinggi. Sepanjang unemployment masih tinggi, recovery itu cuma fake. Perusahaan masih belum mau hire orang, malah di bulan Juli masih berkelanjutan layoff. Kalau tidak salah, sebagian besar labour di USA bergerak di bidang services, dan itu menggerakkan 80% dari economic output. Jika sector ini masih hit by crisis, maka demand (spending) tidak akan naik dan ujung2nya recovery akan stall. Menurut pandangan saya, yg harus dicermati pergerakan USD/Yen lebih dibanding USD/EUR. Yen akan menguat jika ada risk aversion. Sedangkan EUR lebih ke persepsi komoditi price. On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 11:32 PM, fifi young fifiyoun...@gmail.com wrote: Conclusion-nya jadi apa ya Yuta? Please advice, thanks. On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 11:29 PM, YUTA yuta.tizi...@gmail.com wrote: **This Friday looks like an important day.** Dollar rises vs euro on renewed risk aversion 11:29 AM EDT By Vivianne Rodrigues NEW YORK (Reuters) - The dollar rose against the euro on Wednesday as reports showing greater-than-expected U.S. service sector contraction in July and surprisingly high job cuts by private employers boosted demand for the greenback as a safe-haven. The advance contrasts with the dollar's sharp drop earlier in the week as upbeat U.S. and Chinese manufacturing data gave investors confidence to buy foreign currencies and riskier assets such as stocks. However, Wednesday's lackluster reports signaled more uneasy times for the broader U.S. economy and renewed risk aversion, traders said. Increased risk aversion tends to favor currencies such as the yen, a favored safe-haven, and the dollar versus higher-yielding counterparts. We're getting a mixed picture in this latest batch of data, said Joe Trevisani, a chief market analyst, at FX Solutions, in Ridgewood, New Jersey. That's why we have seen the euro come off against the dollar. In mid-morning trading in New York, the euro was 0.2 down percent at $1.4371 after trading as high as $1.4437 earlier. The European currency hit $1.4445 on Monday, its highest since December. The dollar was 0.3 percent lower versus the yen at 94.93 yen. The Institute for Supply Management said its non-manufacturing index fell to 46.4 in July from June's 47.0. A reading above 50 signals expansion. Economists expected a reading of 48.0. The ISM non-manufacturing report was much weaker than expected, contributing to a risk-off kind of scenario in the foreign exchange markets, favoring the dollar, said Andrew Busch, a global FX strategist at BMO Capital Markets in Chicago. Another report showed new orders received by U.S. factories rose unexpectedly in June, advancing for a third straight month [ID:nN04135411]. The services sector and new orders figures followed reports showing larger-than-expected cuts by U.S. private employers in July and an increase in planned layoffs at U.S. firms. The labor markets data weighed on risk appetite and consequently revived some demand for safe-haven currencies, said Joe Manimbo, a currency trader at Travelex Global Business Payments in Washington. Another gauge on the state of the U.S. labor markets is expected on Friday with the government's release of its monthly non-farm payrolls data. Wednesday's ADP report suggests that we could see a downside surprise to Friday's broader employment data, said Manimbo. Investors' focus will also be on policy decisions by the Bank of England and European Central Bank due on Thursday. (Additional reporting by Wanfeng Zhou and Gertrude Chavez-Dreyfuss in New York; Editing by Dan Grebler)
Re: [ob] Deflation
Saya coba jawab. Mudah2an senior yang lebih expert bisa bantu... Dalam contect global, sekarang ini issue oversupply sudah bukan rahasia lagi. Volume perdagangan dan juga pastinya value sudah mengerut double digit. Harga bisa dibentuk drive oleh yang punya kepentingan, tetapi fundamental tetap tidak akan terkalahkan. Untuk antisipasi apa yg terjadi ini, butuh money injection supaya orang spending, industri bisa bergerak, pabrik mulai operasi supaya demand akan timbul. Jika demand ini tidak ada, maka deflasi sangat mungkin terjadi. Hampir semua negara sudah menurunkan suku bunga. Jadi dari monetary policy, kebijakan suku bunga rendah sudah maksimum. Sekarang bagaimana mengamati stimulus harus berjalan baik untuk boost spending. Jika US collapse, maka negara emerging juga akan terpengaruh. US masih central dari trading aktivity dan world market. Jika mereka stabil atau mendekati pemulihan (bottoming), maka risk appetitte akan timbul dan terjadi inflow untuk invest di high risk (stock) di emerging market. Tetapi jika terjadi sebaliknya, maka orang balik lagi ke safe haven, yaitu hard currency (USD Yen) serta gold. 2009/7/23 Ferry ferry.wachj...@gmail.com Kalau industry/ekonominya BRIC gimana? *From:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto: obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *YUTA *Sent:* Wednesday, July 22, 2009 11:28 PM *To:* Obrolan Bandar *Subject:* [ob] Deflation Kalau saya prediksi, sekarang ini issue balik ke mortgage problem di US dimana Commercial property baik harga maupun rental masih turun terus. Ini menandakan bahwa industri belum berjalan. Yang kelihatan bergerak hanya paper assest (saham, bond) tetapi physical masih terbelit krisis. Import US juga mainly consumer products, terutama cheap furnitures dan garment. Belum ada (masih sedikit)import raw material atau machinery yang menggerakkan industri disana. Jepang masih terbelit bubble property dimana harga sewa dan jual turun sudah lebih satu dekade tanpa bisa dicegah. Saya rasa ini patut kita waspadai, jangan sampai spiral deflation ini mulai bergerak tanpa bisa dicegah. Semoga Rgds, Yuta
Re: [ob] 09:15 Milis ada gangguan ?
Mbah, Hampir semua indikator yang support IHSG berbalik drastis dan cukup mengkhawatirkan (jam 20:51) BRIC - index Brazil -3.5%!! Rusia -4.5%!!! Emerging market index -0.83% Oil -2.3% VIX +3.3%!! Euro melemah Metal -1% s/d -2% Tanda apa ini? Rgds Yuta On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 8:59 PM, Embah jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id wrote: 20:55 Eropa udah merah tebel... kacao dah. - Original Message - *From:* jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id *To:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Wednesday, June 03, 2009 9:17 AM *Subject:* [ob] 09:15 Milis ada gangguan ? 09:15 Milis ada gangguan ? Posting embah kok engga mau muncul ? __ NOD32 3990 (20090406) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com
[ob] Unemployment Probably Topped 9% in May: U.S. Economy Preview
*Mulai keluar berita jelek untuk minggu depan...* http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087sid=aSc829RcWzScrefer=home Unemployment Probably Topped 9% in May: U.S. Economy Preview By Shobhana Chandra May 31 (Bloomberg) -- *Unemployment in the U.S. probably surpassed 9 percent in May for the first time in more than 25 years*, underscoring forecasts that the economy will be slow to pull out of the worst recession in half a century, economists said before a report this week. The jobless rate http://mail.google.com/apps/quote?ticker=USURTOT%3AINDclimbed to 9.2 percent, *the highest level since September 1983*, according to the median estimate in a Bloomberg News survey ahead of the Labor Department’s *June 5* report. Other data may show manufacturing and service industries shrank at a slower pace and consumer spending dropped. “The economy is decaying at a slower rate and that is the best you can say,” said Steven Ricchiutohttp://search.bloomberg.com/search?q=Steven+Ricchiutosite=wnewsclient=wnewsproxystylesheet=wnewsoutput=xml_no_dtdie=UTF-8oe=UTF-8filter=pgetfields=wnnissort=date:D:S:d1, chief economist at Mizuho Securities USA Inc. in New York. “I can’t tell you we are out of the woods yet.” *Economists forecast the jobless rate will head to almost 10 percent by the end of the year*, depriving Americans of the income needed to propel spending and stoke a vigorous recovery. Access to credit will likely also be limited as record defaults and foreclosures make banks reluctant to lend. The unemployment rate is predicted to rise from 8.9 percent in April. Payrolls probably fell by 521,000 this month after declining by 539,000 in April, the survey also showed. Job losses peaked at 741,000 in January, the most since 1949. The economy has lost 5.7 million jobs since the recession began in December 2007, the most of any economic slump in the post-World War II era. Auto Slump Restructuring at automakers including General Motors Corp.http://mail.google.com/apps/quote?ticker=GM%3AUSand Chrysler LLC may generate more job losses. AutoNation Inc. http://mail.google.com/apps/quote?ticker=AN%3AUS, the largest U.S. new-vehicle retailer, has said it will close seven showrooms in line with bankrupt Chrysler’s termination of 789 dealerships. Economists project the Labor report will show manufacturershttp://mail.google.com/apps/quote?ticker=USMMMNCH%3AINDcut payrolls by 150,000 in May, after slashing them by 149,000 in April. Workforce reductions aren’t limited to the auto industry. American Express Co. http://mail.google.com/apps/quote?ticker=AXP%3AUS, the largest U.S. credit-card company by purchases, said on May 18 it will cut 4,000 positions as cardholders squeezed by rising unemployment fail to pay debts. “We continue to be very cautious about the economic outlook,” Chief Executive Officer Kenneth Chenault said in a statement. Consumer spending has taken a turn for the worse after improving in the first quarter. Purchases fell in April for a second month, and incomes declined for the sixth time in the last seven months, economists project a Commerce Department report tomorrow will show. Short-Lived Gain Household purchases rose at a 1.5 percent annual rate from January to March, less than previously estimated, after plunging at a 4.3 percent annual rate in the last three months of 2008, revised figures from Commerce last week showed. Gross domestic product shrank at a 5.7 percent pace in the first quarter, less than the government previously estimated in April, the figures also showed. Following the 6.3 percent pace of decline in the last three months of 2008, the drop capped the worst six-month performance in five decades. *Also tomorrow, a report may show manufacturing shrank this month at a slower pace*. The Institute for Supply Management’s factory indexhttp://mail.google.com/apps/quote?ticker=NAPMPMI%3AINDrose to 42 in May from 40.1 in April, according to the Bloomberg survey median. Readings below 50 signal contraction. Underscoring the improvement at manufacturers, orders placed with factories probably rose 0.8 percent in April, the second gain this year, economists predicted ahead of a Commerce Department report June 3. Service Industries An ISM report the same day may show service industries, which make up almost 90 percent of the economy, are also stabilizing. The Tempe, Arizona-based group’s gauge http://mail.google.com/apps/quote?ticker=NAPMNMI%3AIND of non- manufacturing businesses probably increased to 45 in May from 43.7 the prior month, according to the Bloomberg survey. Stocks have surged and Treasuries have dropped amid reports showing the worst of the downturn may have passed. The Standard Poor’s 500 Index has gained 36 percent since March 9, when it hit the lowest level in more than 12 years, closing at 919.14 on May 29. Yields on the benchmark 10-year note climbed to 3.74 percent last week from 2.86 percent during that period. In other reports this week, the National
Re: Bls: Bls: [ob] Re: bursa global potensial koreksi besr2an -
Sumbang pendapat dari newbie: Kalau (ini kalau) kita percaya sama statement dari Elaine: 1. 1089 adalah bottom di tahun lalu (2008) --- Mr Oentong juga setuju bahwa IHSG tidak akan buat lowest baru 2. Juni 1600an 3. Akhir tahun 1800-2200 4. Bullish selama 3-5 tahun ke depan dengan target awal 3000 Dicoba analisa pendapat diatas dan dihubungkan korelasinya, kelihatan make sense karena: 1. Dari beberapa pendapat analyst dunia yang saya baca, sekarang ini adalah bottoming process selama 6-9 bulan dan jika rally akan naik 30-50% dari the lowest. Untuk IHSG, lowest 1089 terjadi di Okt 08 dan jika benar di Jun 09 menjadi 1600 maka kurang lebih naik 50% dalam periode waktu 9 bulan 2. Jika bottoming (1089-1600) terjadi maka index akan naik menjadi 1800-2200, dimana 2200 kurang lebih 200% dari the lowest. Supaya menarik investor (inject new modal maupun newcomer) maka IHSG harus dijaga diratio P/E yang attractive dulu untuk guarantee suistanable growth Simplenya, scenario Elaine sangat make sense jika dia mengundang real investor, maka IHSG akan disesuaikan precondition supaya investor (jangka panjang) yang akan masuk akan nyaman dengan entry kondisi nanti. Tentu lain halnya short term hedge yang cuma 3-6 bulan yang kayak jelangkung, datang tak diundang pergi tak ditolak Yang saya masih penasaran, apa tugas Ratu Sima Rgds 2009/5/16 swan silo swan_gro...@yahoo.com Mbah dalam posting saya tadi saya katakan yg besar2an adalah koreksi tersebut melanda juga bursa2 dunia lainnya ..jadi bukan menyangkut besarnya angka koreksisedangka prediksi saya terkait ihsg saya katakan kondisi terburuk di 1550 an..jadi saya tidak bicara prosentase (soalnya malas hitung2nya) -- *Dari:* jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id *Kepada:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com *Terkirim:* Sabtu, 16 Mei, 2009 20:31:32 *Topik:* Bls: [ob] Re: bursa global potensial koreksi besr2an - Kemarin IHSG mendekati 1700 kalo turun lagi ke 1600 berarti turun 6%. Kalo cuman turun 6% sih belum bisa dibilang koreksi BESAR2AN. Anda kan prediksi IHSG turun ampe 1671 , jauh diatas prediksi Elaine di 1600. --- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, swan silo swan_groups@ ... wrote: Mbah, maksud saya besar2an bukan dalam besarnya angka pnurunan melainkan skalanya yang menyangkut bursa2 utama dunia ..saya ingin memberikan gambaran bahwa kondisi jenuh pasar bukan hanya di BEI tapi juga pada bursa2 utama lainnya sehingga memungkinkan terjadinya koreksi (DJIA sudah mulai) setelah mengalami rally yang cukup signifikan dan ini juga akan mempengaruhi BEIbahkan BEI sudah mulai(oh iya ...dalam posting saya sama sekali tidak menyebut angka2) _ _ __ Dari: jsx_consultant jsx-consultant@ ... Kepada: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. comobrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com Terkirim: Sabtu, 16 Mei, 2009 15:36:56 Topik: [ob] Re: bursa global potensial koreksi besr2an - 03:33 BESAR BESARAN itu berapa persen ?. Bisa dishare cara mendapatkan angka persen TSB ?. --- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com, swan silo swan_groups@ ... wrote: Chart globall terlampir menunjukkan gambaran kondisi bursa global saat ini.. Semua chart menunjukkan chart pattern ascending wedge. DAX, DJIA, FTSE, KOSPI 200, NASDAQ COMPOSITE, SP 500, BSE telah break support tren line Adapun IHSG sudah mendahului break support tren line dan sedang menuju 1671...kemungkinan terburuk sampe ke 1550 an.. HANGSENG, NIKKEI 225, SHANGHAI, STRAIT TIMES, telah menjauhi resisten line bolinger band yg menunjukkan pelemahan trend.. SEMUA Macd sudah/akan dead cross... KESIMPULANNYA BISA TERJADI KOREKSI BESAR2AN SEMOGA KITA SEMUA BISA WASPADA DAN MENYELAMATKAN PROFIT YG SUDAH DITANGAN . yang terakhir SEMOGA SAYA SALAH DISCLAIMER ON Cepat, Bebas Iklan, Kapasitas Tanpa Batas - Dengan Yahoo! Mail Anda bisa mendapatkan semuanya. http://id.mail. yahoo.com Cepat, Bebas Iklan, Kapasitas Tanpa Batas - Dengan Yahoo! Mail Anda bisa mendapatkan semuanya. http://id.mail. yahoo.comhttp://id.mail.yahoo.com/ -- Cepat, Bebas Iklan, Kapasitas Tanpa Batas - Dengan Yahoo! Mail Anda bisa mendapatkan semuanya. http://id.mail.yahoo.com/
[ob] Prof JT - CPRO bisa tolong advisenya?
Prof JT - sebaiknya kalau mau ave down CPRO di mulai harga berapa? Masih punya di harga atas dan rencana mau mulai ambil bawah. Tks
Re: [ob] Re: Q1/2009 Emiten Performance Comparison
Mbah, kalau CPRO gimana Q1nya? Buat invest bagus nggak? -Original Message- From: jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id Date: Fri, 01 May 2009 03:10:51 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ob] Re: Q1/2009 Emiten Performance Comparison Laporan CPIN yg bagus ditanggapi market, CPIN +6,1% meskipun IHSG -15. http://www.investdata.net/QVCPIN.TXT --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@... wrote: Q1/2009 Emiten Performance Comparison Scenario emiten yg laporan keuangannya bagus dikeluarkan duluan, ini memudahkan mencari saham saham yg berfundamental baik dan lebih baik. Ini adalah daftar terakhir yg diurut berdasarkan RANKING ROE kwartal 1. Yg ROE nya baik disebelah atas. Disampingnya tertera angka PER untuk memudahkan mencari saham bagus (ROE tinggi) dan harganya masih murah. http://www.investdata.net/QZ91ALLA.TXT + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links
[ob] Prof JT - CPRO
Kok nggak ada yg bahas CPRO ya? Berapa hari terakhir volume diatas rata2. Nggak jelas apa akumulasi atau distribusi. Prof JT, berapa SAR untuk CPRO? Apa ada signal bagus untuk bisa masuk? Tunggu diberapa yg aman? Tks a lot
Re: [ob] Do u ever think its a distraction?
Habis diskusi sama saudara yg dokter. Katanya yang bisa buat antivirus swine flu pada saat ini hanya AS dan Jepang. Negara lain belum bisa. Dulu China bisa buat Tamiflu, tetapi tidak buat kali ini. Kalau dicoba ditarik garis, apakah ada konspirasi untuk menggadangkan issue pandemik ini secara phenomenal dan menyebar melalui media internasional, jika tidak lain ada misi ekonomi terselubung? Virus ini memang cukup ganas tetapi selama antivirus sudah ada, tergantung bagaimana mereka bisa membujuk Amerika dan Jepang untuk menjualnya. Let see... -Original Message- From: Iwan Mulyono zhouweny...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 19:14:22 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] Do u ever think its a distraction? Wabah SARS terjadi sekitar tahun 2003. Waktu itu tidak timbul crisis ekonomi akibat outbreak ini. Paling hanya kunjungan antar negara yang menurun. CMIIW 2009/4/28 Huan Sheng huan_sh...@yahoo.com.sg Sepertinya malah one step closer to the deep crisis. Entah kebetulan atau tidak, thn 1997 muncul penyakit flu yg dikenal dengan SARS di Hong Kong, lalu kemudian ASIA masuk ke krisis. Thn 2009, muncul lagi flu baru di Meksiko dan US, yg mana juga sedang dalam krisis. Ini ada link yg menarik untuk dibaca, bisa jadi HOAX saja, bisa jadi benar. http://www.ngobrolaja.com/showthread.php?p=218643posted=1#post218643 - Original Message - *From:* andref_r andre...@yahoo.com *To:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2009 5:29 PM *Subject:* [ob] Do u ever think its a distraction? The flu thing is a distraction from the recession? GBU all -- Iwan Mulyono, M.D.
Re: [ob] Bakrie's IDR1,000,000,000 donation program
Actually I have it already. But, your wish is my command, so will buy some more. Make sure you are staying here in OB to see our happiness. Otherwise it will be meaningless Rgds, Yuta Powered by my VerryBerry® -Original Message- From: Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.com Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 14:41:17 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ob] Bakrie's IDR1,000,000,000 donation program *I NEED 1000 PARTICIPANTS. PLEASE BUY IDR 200,000 (5 LOT) WORTH OF BAKRIE BROTHERS (BNBR) KEEP IT UNTIL END OF THIS YEAR. DEC 2009, PLEASE SELL IT AND DONATE TO OB. ** IT ONLY COSTS YOU FRACTION OF YOUR FUND. **IF YOU REALLY LOVE EMBAH AND OB COMMUNITY, PLEASE JOIN ME.* * * *ONLY IDR 200,000. THAT'S ALL I'M ASKING FOR.* *Please write your name here:* *1. ...* *2. ...* *3. ...* * * Abdulrahim, Rei, Fifi, Ydizz, jkunci, JT, Tasrul, Dean, Oentoeng, edwinkdr, halim, aimee, ruzli, rully, boyz, troyanese, tirta, billy, frendy, retha, nabila, bettina, tbumi, kusumo_k, andref, hendra, hans, and all my friends in OB community... This is for Embah and OB, for his lifetime dedication to capital market. * Please tell me you're willing to join. * It's time for us to give a 'real' christmas present to our beloved moderator. [?] Thank you*. [?] * * Elaine* 330.gif
Re: [ob] Re: Masih ada belum dapat gain?
Elaine, just quick question. I am bidding with my colleagues that end of this year the JSX would be popping at 2,200. I'm pretty sure to pump up another 600 from current level wouldn't be impossible target for you to achieve. Is this viable target? Rgds, Yuta Powered by my VerryBerry® -Original Message- From: Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.com Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 16:37:23 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] Re: Masih ada belum dapat gain? *Rei, Pushing a 500pts rally (mid term), making 8:2 score **(short term) **and resurrecting dead stocks (in 2 days) were not easy tasks, but so far it's a great success and I have to say many thanks to all participant in OB. I won't change my mind for even for 5-10% correction so the answer is YES, i'm still investing. Anyway Elaine sudah warning about margin trading, and my target was 1600 in June, obviously there are other market participants who join our party. Oentoeng? Fred Schubert? I have no idea. I'm glad I can share my strategy to OB, hope you guys made some profit, and please don't take too much stress. Be patient, slowly but surely we'll go to 5000. Elaine** * On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 1:49 PM, Rei highwaysta...@gmail.com wrote: Are you still with me EL? Investing mode still on yeah? On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 11:52 AM, Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.comwrote: *IDX. I said this last Saturday, it's been 11% and we have only one day left. Anyway I'm not supposed to 'leak' short term target coz my intention to ask everyone to be investor, not day trader. Kalau stock picks,... I dunno I'm getting bored with this question. Elaine** * On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 11:42 AM, jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id wrote: --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Elaine Sui elainesu...@... wrote: *Elaine punya target 15% this week, if you remember. Elaine* Index or Stock ?, which stock dear ?. Now IHSG 1637. + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [ob] Re: Masih ada belum dapat gain?
Salute juga buat Pak Oentoeng yang sudah berani menyuarakan fakta, walaupun mungkin terasa berat. You people gain respect from OB communities. To the greatest Embah, the genius Elaine and our honorary mentor Pak JT. May God will lead to success and protect in everypath of your life. Thanks for generous dedication to all of us. Bersama kita bisa? Rgds, Yuta Powered by my VerryBerry® -Original Message- From: Provokator Saham oentoeng...@yahoo.com Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 11:14:26 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ob] Re: Masih ada belum dapat gain? --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Elaine Sui elainesu...@... wrote: Anyway Elaine sudah warning about margin trading, and my target was 1600 in June, obviously there are other market participants who join our party. Oentoeng? Fred Schubert? I have no idea. Dear Elaine... Dalam kesempatan ini saya ingin mengucapkan SALUTE atas keberhasilan anda selama ini. Yang lebih penting; sharing strategic plan anda itu yg telah membuat member OB ini sangat terbantu, sehingga mereka lebih bisa merasakan kenaikan yg sdh terjadi akhir2 ini. Dan ini juga menjadikan pengalaman berharga bagi saya supaya ke depan dpt lebih baik. Maklum prediksi (short term) dg kenyataan yg terjadi malah berbanding terbalik. Pontang panting sikit, tp mayanlah masih bisa ikut pesta...hehehe... Kondisi begini saya akan lebih banyak membaca dan mendengar. please don't take too much stress. Be patient, slowly but surely we'll go to 5000. Ok Elaine, you're the BOZZ now...I'm with YOU. Good Luck! Oentoeng + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:obrolan-bandar-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:obrolan-bandar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: obrolan-bandar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [ob] BUM-BUM On track ??
Saya juga sudah TP tadi pagi, terinspirasi Pak Artomoro. Share ya Pak, kapan bisa masuk lagi. Ngeri resistance repo dibeberapa spot harga atas. Rgds, Yuta Powered by my VerryBerry® -Original Message- From: JsxTrader jsxtra...@yahoo.com Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 16:03:24 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [ob] BUM-BUM On track ?? Ngga dibantai lah., Cuma distribusi biasa aja.., Saya TP dulu.., besok kalau koreksi masuk lagi., ngiler abisnya., hehe., tapi jangan khawatir., arahnya masih keatas.., I'll be back !! JT From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Iwan Sent: 15 April 2009 15:38 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ob] BUM-BUM On track ?? Prof JT, BUM-BUM dibantai neh, gimana ? tambah posisi ? - Original Message - From: Aria Bela Nusa mailto:ariab...@centrin.net.id To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 6:50 PM Subject: RE: [SPAM][SPAM][ob] ITMG - To Prof JT Sptnya mixed hari ini - ada minings yg naek2, ada yg turun2 - tapi yg pasti bankings + property (kayaknya ada hub keduanya) mulai gerak2, 'tuh From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of hendi_lie Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 1:55 PM To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [SPAM][SPAM][ob] ITMG - To Prof JT Prof, minta comment mengenai ITMG koq gak naek2... Tx No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.11.57/2059 - Release Date: 04/14/09 14:52:00
Re: DEWA - RE: [ob] RE: MyLRI Re ELTY
CNKO, CPRO, BNBR bagaimana? Powered by my VerryBerry® -Original Message- From: JsxTrader jsxtra...@yahoo.com Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 16:05:25 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: DEWA - RE: [ob] RE: MyLRI Re ELTY Masih ke gocapan juga…., hehe.. JT From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of indeksbei3...@gmail.com Sent: 15 April 2009 15:50 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: DEWA - RE: [ob] RE: MyLRI Re ELTY Switch kemana :) Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT _ From: JsxTrader Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 15:46:14 +0700 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: DEWA - RE: [ob] RE: MyLRI Re ELTY Teman.., saya exit dulu yah…, sekedar mau TP dan switching…, yg mau lanjut silahkan, moga-moga bsk bisa break 94…, kalau iya saya akan coba BHSH…, kalau ngga ya nanti kita pungut lagi dibawah…hehe…, Good Luck. JT From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of AURORA Sent: 15 April 2009 14:32 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: DEWA - RE: [ob] RE: MyLRI Re ELTY setuju pak jt.. yang penting closing deket2 resistance aja...90 juga udah mantap.. besok hajar lagi...biar gak kena suspend hehehee No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.11.57/2059 - Release Date: 04/14/09 14:52:00
Re: [ob] BUMI
Kalau koreksi ambil di 1080 lagi ya Pak JT? Powered by my VerryBerry® -Original Message- From: JsxTrader jsxtra...@yahoo.com Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 10:47:12 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com; jsxtra...@yahoogroups.com; my_...@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ob] BUMI Sekedar sharing., bukan karena ane udah exit ya.., Resistance level 1170-1180.., ti-ati., tapi kalau lari sampe break 1200.. HOLD !! Mudah-mudahan koreksi dulu biar sehat.., sekalian jemput gue.. hahaha JT
Re: [ob] Re: lihat saham di blackberry
Pak Iban, Saya download sesuai dengan link yang dikasih Pak JT. No problem, sekali download langsung jalan. Rgds, Yuta Powered by my VerryBerry® -Original Message- From: ibanlubi...@gmail.com Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 07:00:27 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] Re: lihat saham di blackberry Pak Yuta boleh softwarenya di share? Tks Iban Powered by Telkomsel BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: Yuta Tiziano yuta.tizi...@gmail.com Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 04:10:36 To: Obrolan Bandarobrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] Re: lihat saham di blackberry Saya juga pakai Bold OS .247 operator telkomsel bisa download dan install. Tapi JCI:IND tidak default jadi harus add dulu. Juga USD/IDR tidak ada. Software ini sangat cakep, bisa monitor dengan gratis. Soalnya kalau IPOT pakai apn operator. Rgds, Yuta Powered by my VerryBerry® -Original Message- From: JsxTrader™ jsxtra...@yahoo.com Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 03:14:38 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] Re: lihat saham di blackberry Bold saya BM, logo O2 (os .247).., Curve saya 8130 garansi resmi, polos (no logo), dua-duanya bisa install App World, No problem at all termasuk install aplikasi yg ada di dalam App World juga lancar, operator pake TLKM dan XL yg goceng/hr Coba tanya temen2 yg berhasil download tuh.., mereka pakai apa? btw Bloombergnya cakep lo, bukan cuma link doang seperti kalau kita download dari bloomberg.com Powered by TLKM BullBerry® -Original Message- From: gang...@idola.net.id Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 09:07:50 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [ob] Re: lihat saham di blackberry Pak JT Tanya dikit, apa BB nya dari provider resmi atau beli di BM ? Kali disini penyebabnya ?? Apa perbedaaan antara BB resmi dan BM ?? Thanks for sharing A3K -Original Message- From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of JsxTrader™ Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 12:40 AM To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] Re: lihat saham di blackberry Mangkanya pake TLKM..., hehehe Powered by TLKM BullBerry® -Original Message- From: Margareth Renata lightsaber@gmail.com Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 17:36:03 To: OBobrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] Re: lihat saham di blackberry Thanks Prof, setelah beberapa kali coba akhirnya bisa juga. Mungkin tadi failed karena jaringannya. Once again makasih ya :) Retha from my Amazing BlackBerry® powered by INDOSAT -Original Message- From: JsxTrader™ jsxtra...@yahoo.com Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 17:17:55 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] Re: lihat saham di blackberry Hmm.., kenapa ya.., saya sih ngga masalah.., apa karena koneksinya? Dicoba lagi aja, linknya cuma itu aja, barusan saya re-check jalan koq..., justru kalau dari BB help malah ngga kebuka link downloadnya.., coba deh.. Powered by TLKM BullBerry® -Original Message- From: daon.singk...@yahoo.co.id Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 16:51:13 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] Re: lihat saham di blackberry Sama Pak JT saya juga ga bisa download. Alasan sama dg mbak Retha Ada link lain? Sent from my DaonBerry® powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT -Original Message- From: JsxTrader™ jsxtra...@yahoo.com Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 16:46:47 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] Re: lihat saham di blackberry Kalo download dari BB help memang gak bisa, tapi kalau dari link yang saya kasih bisa koq, saya coba di Bold and Curve jalan dengan baik.., dan bisa install aplikasi2 yg ada didalamnya flawlessly. BOLD saya O2, OS .247 and Curve polos with latest OS. (Lupa versinya) Powered by TLKM BullBerry® -Original Message- From: Margareth Renata lightsaber@gmail.com Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 16:40:17 To: OBobrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] Re: lihat saham di blackberry Prof, Retha download kok gagal terus ya. Apa karena hanya untuk pelanggan di Canada, US, UK? Discover a whole new world at BlackBerry App World. Currently only available to customers located in Canada, United States, and the United Kingdom. Retha from my Amazing BlackBerry® powered by INDOSAT -Original Message- From: JsxTrader™ jsxtra...@yahoo.com Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 15:22:25 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] Re: lihat saham di blackberry Sekedar sharing for BB user..., install App World on your BB, banyak aplikasi yg bagus2 disitu, baik yg free maupun bayar, termasuk Bloomberg. (Bloomberg offers news, stock quotes, company descriptions, market leaders/laggers, price charts, market trends analysis, and more. You are also able to create a customized list of stocks that you want to follow from markets around the world) Ini linknya, Semoga Bermanfaat.. http://mobileapps.blackberry.com/awclient/download.shtml?code=appworldamp;CPID=MBC_WHATSNEW Powered by TLKM BullBerry® -Original
[ob] Investors Are Still Wondering If Stock Rally Is for Real
REUTERS | April 09, 2009 | 12:00 PM EDT U.S. stocks typically rebound six months before the economy, but investors worry that the current 25 percent rally since the market's March 9 low could be a red herring. At the same time, lack of investor conviction — or simple fear — can be considered a sign of a healthy market. Reasons to be pessimistic about the economic outlook abound: unemployment is the highest since 1983, house prices are still falling by record amounts and persistent questions remain about which banks will still be in business next year. Many investors are holding out for clearer signs that the worst financial crisis in generations is over before they commit to jumping back into the stock market. They worry that more bad news awaits in the months ahead to trip up the latest rally. Declining volume tells part of the technical story. The average total value of stocks traded each day on the Nasdaq has fallen about 40 percent from 2008 levels so far this year through March. Wall Street's fear gauge, the CBOE Market Volatility index, also remains stubbornly high, only dipping below 40 in recent sessions despite trading below 30 in more normal times. Still, stock prices may have reached a bottom in early March, said Linda Duessel, a market strategist at Federated Investors in Pittsburgh. Insofar as 'Will investors jump back in like they have historically?' I think the numbers are showing that they are much more reluctant, she said. The SP 500 Index is up 25 percent from a 12-1/2 year low in early March. Last week, a Reuters poll of Wall Street dealers showed seven of 11 economists forecast a turnaround starting in the third quarter. Yet investors big and small have been hit with huge losses, with the benchmark SP 500 index down 46 percent since hitting an all-time high in October 2007. The equities market in the past has rebounded anywhere from three months to nine months before the economy reverses its slide, with the average time about six months. The market consensus right now is for positive GDP in the third quarter, said Tim Ghriskey, chief investment officer of Solaris Asset Management in Bedford Hills, New York. The worry is, that might be a little bit premature. The U.S. economy is on track for the worst recession since World War Two, leaving investors warier than in other downturns in recent years. Wall Street has made several attempts to move higher since last October, only to be pulled back to new lows each time. Bruce Bittles, chief investment strategist at Robert W. Baird Co in Nashville, would like to see even more investor skepticism, as the point of maximum optimism is typically the top of the market. The more skepticism we see (in the market), the better the chances the market has of going up, he said. We don't want to see optimism here, that would be a negative for market. Given the view that the economy will turn around in the third quarter, some investors have returned to the market. People may be getting in sooner than the six months, said Carl Birkelbach, chairman and CEO of Birkelbach Investment Securities in Chicago. I think that people will always pit fear against greed and once the market starts moving up, greed will start taking over. Powered by my VerryBerry® + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:obrolan-bandar-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:obrolan-bandar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: obrolan-bandar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [ob] Re: lihat saham di blackberry
Saya juga pakai Bold OS .247 operator telkomsel bisa download dan install. Tapi JCI:IND tidak default jadi harus add dulu. Juga USD/IDR tidak ada. Software ini sangat cakep, bisa monitor dengan gratis. Soalnya kalau IPOT pakai apn operator. Rgds, Yuta Powered by my VerryBerry® -Original Message- From: JsxTrader™ jsxtra...@yahoo.com Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 03:14:38 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] Re: lihat saham di blackberry Bold saya BM, logo O2 (os .247).., Curve saya 8130 garansi resmi, polos (no logo), dua-duanya bisa install App World, No problem at all termasuk install aplikasi yg ada di dalam App World juga lancar, operator pake TLKM dan XL yg goceng/hr Coba tanya temen2 yg berhasil download tuh.., mereka pakai apa? btw Bloombergnya cakep lo, bukan cuma link doang seperti kalau kita download dari bloomberg.com Powered by TLKM BullBerry® -Original Message- From: gang...@idola.net.id Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 09:07:50 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [ob] Re: lihat saham di blackberry Pak JT Tanya dikit, apa BB nya dari provider resmi atau beli di BM ? Kali disini penyebabnya ?? Apa perbedaaan antara BB resmi dan BM ?? Thanks for sharing A3K -Original Message- From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of JsxTrader™ Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 12:40 AM To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] Re: lihat saham di blackberry Mangkanya pake TLKM..., hehehe Powered by TLKM BullBerry® -Original Message- From: Margareth Renata lightsaber@gmail.com Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 17:36:03 To: OBobrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] Re: lihat saham di blackberry Thanks Prof, setelah beberapa kali coba akhirnya bisa juga. Mungkin tadi failed karena jaringannya. Once again makasih ya :) Retha from my Amazing BlackBerry® powered by INDOSAT -Original Message- From: JsxTrader™ jsxtra...@yahoo.com Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 17:17:55 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] Re: lihat saham di blackberry Hmm.., kenapa ya.., saya sih ngga masalah.., apa karena koneksinya? Dicoba lagi aja, linknya cuma itu aja, barusan saya re-check jalan koq..., justru kalau dari BB help malah ngga kebuka link downloadnya.., coba deh.. Powered by TLKM BullBerry® -Original Message- From: daon.singk...@yahoo.co.id Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 16:51:13 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] Re: lihat saham di blackberry Sama Pak JT saya juga ga bisa download. Alasan sama dg mbak Retha Ada link lain? Sent from my DaonBerry® powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT -Original Message- From: JsxTrader™ jsxtra...@yahoo.com Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 16:46:47 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] Re: lihat saham di blackberry Kalo download dari BB help memang gak bisa, tapi kalau dari link yang saya kasih bisa koq, saya coba di Bold and Curve jalan dengan baik.., dan bisa install aplikasi2 yg ada didalamnya flawlessly. BOLD saya O2, OS .247 and Curve polos with latest OS. (Lupa versinya) Powered by TLKM BullBerry® -Original Message- From: Margareth Renata lightsaber@gmail.com Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 16:40:17 To: OBobrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] Re: lihat saham di blackberry Prof, Retha download kok gagal terus ya. Apa karena hanya untuk pelanggan di Canada, US, UK? Discover a whole new world at BlackBerry App World. Currently only available to customers located in Canada, United States, and the United Kingdom. Retha from my Amazing BlackBerry® powered by INDOSAT -Original Message- From: JsxTrader™ jsxtra...@yahoo.com Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 15:22:25 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] Re: lihat saham di blackberry Sekedar sharing for BB user..., install App World on your BB, banyak aplikasi yg bagus2 disitu, baik yg free maupun bayar, termasuk Bloomberg. (Bloomberg offers news, stock quotes, company descriptions, market leaders/laggers, price charts, market trends analysis, and more. You are also able to create a customized list of stocks that you want to follow from markets around the world) Ini linknya, Semoga Bermanfaat.. http://mobileapps.blackberry.com/awclient/download.shtml?code=appworldamp;CPID=MBC_WHATSNEW Powered by TLKM BullBerry® -Original Message- From: indeksbei3...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 14:55:37 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] Re: lihat saham di blackberry Memang mau pantengin seharian ?? Kalau saya sih pakai myidxport (yahoo messanger) Misal, saya set PTBA 7500, nah, kalau PTBA harganya 7500, nanti muncul di YM saya. Kalau tetap mau pakai idx mobile, pakai provider yg biaya data nya murah/ unlimited aja. Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone from Sinyal Bagus XL, Nyambung Teruuusss...! -Original Message- From: tomyconan tomyco...@yahoo.com Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 14:34:13 To:
[ob] Reply to Embah - Is the Stock Market Headed Back Down?
Embah, Mengenai pertanyaan Embah apakah Dow Jones akan buat new low. Ini saya quote wawancara dari Time dengan Technical Analyst dari BoA/ML. Baca statement di alinea terakhir. Rgds, Yuta Is the Stock Market Headed Back Down? By John Curran  After a four-week rally, stocks moved lower on Monday and Tuesday. Does this spell the end of the uptrend or just healthy consolidation? To find out, TIME contributing editor John Curran spoke with Mary Ann Bartels, stock market technical analyst at Bank of America/Merrill Lynch. TIME: After a big rally, stocks are moving lower this week. Should we be concerned? Bartels: We view this as a consolidation within a more bullish context. That is, we think we can still achieve recovery highs with this rally. So this is healthy? No, I wouldn't say healthy. What we said coming into 2009 is that stocks would enter a base-building phase that would, over time, heal the technical damage done to the market in 2008. What base-building means is that you go into a trading range. But we also could have some very exciting rallies in the process of base-building. So does this rally have more to go? This rally can hit 1055 on the SP 500 and 9800 on the Dow, but longer term, we have to view this in the context of a base-building process, which means that we are probably going to go back down and retest the lows before this process is over. [The stock market's lows were 667 on the SP 500 and 6440 on the Dow, both reached in early March.] The SP 500 index is lately yielding more than Treasuries, be it the T-bill, the five-year note or the 10 year. This is quite rare, but is it significant? Whenever the dividend yield on the SP 500 rises above 3%, which it has, that's significant, even if it's not above the 10-year Treasury. It says stocks are attractive. That said, we are very cautious about what to own in this market. Bottom line: If you can find high-quality companies -- meaning they have a good balance sheet and provide yield -- we think for the long-term investor this is now an attractive way to invest. The consumer-staples sector (i.e., food, beverage, tobacco, etc.) is a good sector for finding these types of stocks. So base-building allows this rally to continue for a while, but you're also saying that it could take the Dow back below 7000? What determines our fate? Whether we return to the lows will really depend on what happens to the financial-sector stocks. The government has provided many new programs to help fix our banking system, and how those programs work will determine whether the financial stocks have to go to new lows. The broader stock market has been building a technical base since October, but financial stocks are just starting to build a base. The risk we have is that financial stocks will have to go to new lows, and that will cause more volatility in the overall market. Are there any parallels to this stock market? We've likened this market to 1937 and 1938. In '37 you saw a 50% correction within the equity market. But in 1938, from March '38 to November '38, the market had a 60% rally. That was all part of a base-building process. The stock market really didn't make its low until 1942, and that was a marginal new low -- all in the context of building a base. So what we're trying to tell investors is that the key to this market now is patience -- that this is going to take time but that this trading-range process will, over time, heal the market. And eventually, at some point in time, we will launch into a new bull market. O.K., back to the present: With stocks dropping this week, at what market level do you start to believe that we're going back to retest the lows of March? If we go below 740 on the SP and around 7030 on the Dow. Good to know. Thanks. Powered by my VerryBerry®
Re: [ob] Reply to Embah - Is the Stock Market Headed Back Down?
Kalau yang saya tangkap, gerakan Dow akan banyak dipengaruhi oleh sector financial terutama banking. Alasannya jelas, karena sekarang bagaimana pemerintah US harus bisa membuang (menghapuskan buku) kredit macet (toxic aset) dengan metoda akutansi. Dan juga pemerintah sedang melakukan stress test untuk melihat apakah bail out plan berjalan lancar dan banking bisa mulai menyalurkan kredit dan issue keringnya liquidity di pasar bisa diatasi. Untuk ini perlu beberapa bulan ke depan dan juga sambil melihat apakah program bantuan dari pemerintah terhadap keluarga akan mulai memperlihatkan hasil dengan naiknya buying power. Dengan bunga mendekati 0%, banking boleh dibilang harus bertumpu income dari kredit, dan itu yang tidak berjalan. Jika hanya dengan bail out, maka berapapun dana yg disuntik tidak akan habisnya dan pemerintah bisa collapse. Ini yg ditakuti pasar. Jadi, jika ternyata banking bisa menghasilkan profit dengan hasil Q2 Q1 (atau even Wels Fargo ternyata Q1nya profit), maka boleh dibilang program stimulus is workable dan pasar akan menerima bahwa krisis finansial sudah mendekati babak akhir. Jika sebaliknya kalau gagal, maka investor akan dump saham banking yang pastinya akan menyeret saham lainnya dan Dow mostlikely akan buat new low ke depan. Begitu kira2 Pak Rei. Mungkin saja saya salah On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 7:30 PM, Rei highwaysta...@gmail.com wrote: So setelah naik tinggi akan anjlok lagi krn alasan technical? Binun... On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 4:23 PM, Yuta Tiziano yuta.tizi...@gmail.comwrote: Embah, Mengenai pertanyaan Embah apakah Dow Jones akan buat new low. Ini saya quote wawancara dari Time dengan Technical Analyst dari BoA/ML. Baca statement di alinea terakhir. Rgds, Yuta Is the Stock Market Headed Back Down? By John Curran  After a four-week rally, stocks moved lower on Monday and Tuesday. Does this spell the end of the uptrend or just healthy consolidation? To find out, TIME contributing editor John Curran spoke with Mary Ann Bartels, stock market technical analyst at Bank of America/Merrill Lynch. TIME: After a big rally, stocks are moving lower this week. Should we be concerned? Bartels: We view this as a consolidation within a more bullish context. That is, we think we can still achieve recovery highs with this rally. So this is healthy? No, I wouldn't say healthy. What we said coming into 2009 is that stocks would enter a base-building phase that would, over time, heal the technical damage done to the market in 2008. What base-building means is that you go into a trading range. But we also could have some very exciting rallies in the process of base-building. So does this rally have more to go? This rally can hit 1055 on the SP 500 and 9800 on the Dow, but longer term, we have to view this in the context of a base-building process, which means that we are probably going to go back down and retest the lows before this process is over. [The stock market's lows were 667 on the SP 500 and 6440 on the Dow, both reached in early March.] The SP 500 index is lately yielding more than Treasuries, be it the T-bill, the five-year note or the 10 year. This is quite rare, but is it significant? Whenever the dividend yield on the SP 500 rises above 3%, which it has, that's significant, even if it's not above the 10-year Treasury. It says stocks are attractive. That said, we are very cautious about what to own in this market. Bottom line: If you can find high-quality companies -- meaning they have a good balance sheet and provide yield -- we think for the long-term investor this is now an attractive way to invest. The consumer-staples sector (i.e., food, beverage, tobacco, etc.) is a good sector for finding these types of stocks. So base-building allows this rally to continue for a while, but you're also saying that it could take the Dow back below 7000? What determines our fate? Whether we return to the lows will really depend on what happens to the financial-sector stocks. The government has provided many new programs to help fix our banking system, and how those programs work will determine whether the financial stocks have to go to new lows. The broader stock market has been building a technical base since October, but financial stocks are just starting to build a base. The risk we have is that financial stocks will have to go to new lows, and that will cause more volatility in the overall market. Are there any parallels to this stock market? We've likened this market to 1937 and 1938. In '37 you saw a 50% correction within the equity market. But in 1938, from March '38 to November '38, the market had a 60% rally. That was all part of a base-building process. The stock market really didn't make its low until 1942, and that was a marginal new low -- all in the context of building a base. So what we're trying to tell investors is that the key to this market now is patience -- that this is going to take
Re: [ob] Bullish for Asia
El, Maybe too detail questions but yet it might give us some confidence to invest more: 1. What portion between stock and cash are you holding now? 2. What best strategy now, put more on current (bottoming) or just straight to dollar averaging? BOW is one of tactic though 3. I do perceive that you are overweighting commodities (metal+coal+plantation) as they are now undevaluation from its fundamental things. Are the same situation happening in other countries, like China, Australia? as benchmarking comparison... Rgds, Yuta Powered by my VerryBerry® -Original Message- From: Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 12:03:54 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] Bullish for Asia *'Clues ' are more like riddle, so no I don't give clues. I prefer to share investment strategy. Buy this, short this, hold this. Target x% in y month. Things like that. (last year I told everyone on how I work but seems nobody believes so whatever lah) If you have the access, you should invest in Iran Stock Exchange, overweight on alternative energy sector (read:nuclear). For Indonesia, 2/3Q09 is the revenge of the METALheads + coal + plantation. Target up to 50%, in less than 6 months (Oct09). ps: these sectors have been rising like 100% since Nov 08,.. BUMI, MEDCO, EMP and Bakrie Plants. are laggards, but they eventually will catch up. Elaine* On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 7:56 PM, anru.s...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah! Just wonder how can Elaine get such a amazing prediction? El, please give us some clues... Tx b4 Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT -- *From*: fifi young *Date*: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 19:41:38 +0700 *To*: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com *Subject*: Re: [ob] Bullish for Asia Wow...! This is my 1st time ever to see Elaine in such a long writing... Seems you are so happy today... Oh yeah... it's election day... no wonder... You already knew who's gonna win... 'n you knew what will happen next... Every1 sure will always remember you... an awesome young lady with brilliant n hard head, cool hand to execute every single details... You are indeed 1 of a kind... On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.com wrote: *JT said Buy on Weakness* *Embah said this is not a bear rally* *Artmoro said more less the same* *Dean said Welcome bull* *Sima flip flopped but she's bullish* *Oentoeng and boyz disappears indefinitely (maybe they're getting married somewhere lolz, rumor said)* * Where's James Arifin? Tasrul seems bullish* *Rei is always bullish (even last year..ha ha)* *Fifi is always be like a soccer mom on steroid* *Abdulrazen the coolest and most handsome livestock in the world* *Ruzli was OWNED by me* *Billy seems expert on technical but has problem with recommendation (buy..? sell? hold? reduce? add? what's the action? you can't recommend buy and sell at the same time [?])* *Buffett is still yangkut lolz but he's bullish Jim rogers is bullish on commodities Cramer is bullish Even Professor Roubini now is not as bearish as he used to be. **Almost all media coverage is showing bullishness on the economy, especially Asia. Well, it seems that OB family finally get together on the same track to the North Pole. I said l...@everyone. I'm happy. You're happy. Everyone is happy. In the end, you may double your portfolio if you're good, make five fold if you're lucky or even ten fold if you were me. (not really but you get the idea [?]) This may sound crazy too but I think there's a chance that Nikkei Index will finally make a new all time high in five to ten years from now. Indonesia, along with Thailand, Malaysia and Singapore were once called the Asian Tigers in the 90's, and will be once again in 2010, together with China (the Dragons), and Japan. Interestingly enough, Australia is LEANING to Asia. Ten years from now, I hope you guys still remember my name. I will get what I want, I know my expectation, I share everything you need to know and fgod sake if you still didn't make money like 100% for the last 6 months then STOP TRADING! I'm serious. Elaine Sui* 330.gif347.gif
Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY
If I can summarize: 1. China economy will recover mid-year (optimist) or not later than end of this year (pesimist) helped by the gigantic stimulus packet 2. The snowball effect will spread all over the Asia region, particulary those countries who export commodities to China, including Indonesia 3. Indonesia economic (read: stock) will be depending how fast China economy bouncing back which they will start to (accumulate) buy resources as SEA-China trade is one fo the most busiest from trading amount and traffic viewpoint 4. And bit by bit, US economic will get its multiple positive influences from Asia That's how the recovery will work, right? Rgds, Yuta Powered by my VerryBerry® -Original Message- From: Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 22:08:31 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY * In the old days you needed to conquer a country with military force, and then you could control that country. Today it's not necessary at all. You can destabilize a country, make it poor, and then make it request help. And [in exchange] for the help that is given, you gain control over the policies of the country, and when you gain control over the policies of a country, effectively you have colonized that country. - DR. MAHATHIR BIN MOHAMMAD (July 2nd, 2001) I quote him coz this is what happens to the US. No country can beat the US with military forces, not even China or Russia. Today, effectively the US future is in the hand of China (it's the largest creditor, exceeding Japan, with more than $700 bil of T-Bonds.) Elaine* On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 6:47 PM, jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id wrote: Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY Tapi kalo kita perhatikan pola wave IHSG dan DJI berbeda: http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?t=2ys=%5EJKSEl=offz=lq=lc=c=%5EDJI - IHSG bentuk last wavenya: UPTREND (Higher Low + Higher High) - DJI bentuk last wavenya: masih DOWNTREND (Lower High + Lower Low) El, What do you think ?. Will Indonesia, China and India market have different market rally compared to US market ? Will the world's indexes decouple ?. + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links Outlook.jpg
Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY
Maybe too late to comment. Every region is suffering turbulences due to sharp drop in demand amids overly surplus. And the country who can boost demand, in this case buying appetite, naming Asia (China, India and Indonesia too) will be escaping from what so called crisis. Rgds, Yuta Powered by my VerryBerry® -Original Message- From: Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 08:54:28 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY *Well, what you mention below are manufactured in China, your bank run by Indian. Facebook and other media is owned by Jews, you drive either Japanese or Korean car which consumes Arab oil, and you eat local food. What? Pirated movie? that goes to China too.. lolz.. American only own debt. Elaine ** *On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 8:17 AM, JsxTrader™ jsxtra...@yahoo.com wrote: Yea..yea..yea..., china can produce about anything, but without US, who's gonna consume?? Hehe..., come on EL, you know better than that my dear. Who's gonna need US?? I DO..., Yes, I do..., I love their movie, music, junk food, gadget, books, Mac, Nike, etc..etc..etc..., point is, look around you, see how your live is closely 'related' to Uncle Sam..., IMHO, it is too arogan to say we don't need them..., lolz.. Sent from my BullBerry® smartphone -- *From*: Elaine Sui *Date*: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 23:12:20 +0700 *To*: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com *Subject*: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY *That's right! Asia will survive without the US and Eurozone. China can produce any product, from cars, electronics, weapons, movies, everything. The US cannot create cheap labor like the Chinese. India has the most economic and technology students in the World. Indonesia has the biggest palm oil field, tin and coal mines. Japan has the most advanced robotic technology and Korea has the best drama TV series.. [?] Who need US? lolz really nowaday it becomes less and less significant to us. I have an interesting article, please read it. http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2009/03/25/asean-ink-investment-pacts-with-china-korea.html Elaine* On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Rei highwaysta...@gmail.com wrote: So the recovery would be led/started in Asia and would eventually spread to US Europe... On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Yuta Tiziano yuta.tizi...@gmail.comwrote: If I can summarize: 1. China economy will recover mid-year (optimist) or not later than end of this year (pesimist) helped by the gigantic stimulus packet 2. The snowball effect will spread all over the Asia region, particulary those countries who export commodities to China, including Indonesia 3. Indonesia economic (read: stock) will be depending how fast China economy bouncing back which they will start to (accumulate) buy resources as SEA-China trade is one fo the most busiest from trading amount and traffic viewpoint 4. And bit by bit, US economic will get its multiple positive influences from Asia That's how the recovery will work, right? Rgds, Yuta Powered by my VerryBerry® -- *From*: Elaine Sui *Date*: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 22:08:31 +0700 *To*: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com *Subject*: Re: [ob] Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY * In the old days you needed to conquer a country with military force, and then you could control that country. Today it's not necessary at all. You can destabilize a country, make it poor, and then make it request help. And [in exchange] for the help that is given, you gain control over the policies of the country, and when you gain control over the policies of a country, effectively you have colonized that country. - DR. MAHATHIR BIN MOHAMMAD (July 2nd, 2001) I quote him coz this is what happens to the US. No country can beat the US with military forces, not even China or Russia. Today, effectively the US future is in the hand of China (it's the largest creditor, exceeding Japan, with more than $700 bil of T-Bonds.) Elaine* On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 6:47 PM, jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id wrote: Soros bilang: Ini masih BEAR MARKET RALLY Tapi kalo kita perhatikan pola wave IHSG dan DJI berbeda: http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?t=2ys=%5EJKSEl=offz=lq=lc=c=%5EDJI - IHSG bentuk last wavenya: UPTREND (Higher Low + Higher High) - DJI bentuk last wavenya: masih DOWNTREND (Lower High + Lower Low) El, What do you think ?. Will Indonesia, China and India market have different market rally compared to US market ? Will the world's indexes decouple ?. + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links 330.gif
Re: [ob] IHSG Hari Senin Pekan Ini
Earlier you said that BUMI's negative factor has bring IDX down below 2000. And along with optimistism and some good news, BUMI will touch the new higher of 10,000, which consequently will push toward IDX to 3,000, correct?. Just want to reconfirm. Powered by my VerryBerry® -Original Message- From: Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.com Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 13:26:57 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] IHSG Hari Senin Pekan Ini *Realizing profit? I see they're only losing potential gain. Yang penting Elaine sudah kasih tahu, mau ikut atau tidak it's not really my business. IDX will have new high perhaps next year, and this week the score will be 7:0 straight. But don't worry my dear technicalists, you'll get your correction next year, so be patience. lolz.. [?] Elaine** * 2009/4/6 Rei highwaysta...@gmail.com It's mostly cause everyone is trading, letting go their holdings once they make few points and then when the market goes higher, they will be in confusion whether to buy at higher price or wait for correction...best is to wait for correction, hence the wish for a correction hehehe I know..I know, you said Invest! Not many want to invest, everyone wants to realize their profits fast. Jsx Investor (courtesy of pak Yudizz) [?] 2009/4/6 Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.com *Let the market decide.. ha ha ha.. well okay TA is not my field so no comment. Geez, why'd anyone want a correction. Elaine** * 2009/4/6 gang...@idola.net.id Ms Elaine, Any comment on below writings ? A3K IHSG pada pekan lalu menguat 2.5% di level psikologis 1,500, berkat serangkaian laporan positif dari inflasi Maret, penurunan suku bunga BI menjadi 7.50%, cadangan devisa capai $54.8 milyar (31 Maret), kenaikan harga komoditas serta penguatan rupiah ke 11,380 hari Jumat. Positifnya hasil pertemuan G20 di London hari Kamis lalu rencana Program pembelian aset beracun oleh Pemerintahan Obama, telah angkat saham di seluruh dunia, berkat spekulasi resesi ekonomi global akan segera berakhir. Solidnya laporan keuangan emiten (BUMI, BMRI, BBRI, BBCA, ELSA, BBNI, PTBA, INDY) minggu lalu ikut dorong kenaikan IHSG ke tertinggi 1,511 hari Jumat. Tetapi euphoria rally akan dibatasi oleh dimulainya musim Earnings Q1 di AS (Alcoa Chevron) yang berpeluang menunjukkan #39;poor result#39; peluang profit taking jelang liburan Paskah pemilu 9 April Jumat pekan ini. Kondisi teknikal yang overbought lemahnya ekonomi dalam negeri global ikut membatasi Rally dalam Bear Market. Technical Analysis: IHSG menunjukkan pola reversal minor hari Jumat berkat pola candle doji star, volume rendah, MFI menunjukkan toppish, MACD intraday negatif (pertama x dalam 3 hari terakhir) masih ditutup dibawah 50% retracement fibo di 1,504. Jika level 1,511 tîdak berhasil ditembus Senin, potensi koreksi terbuka ke support 1,494/1,478. Formasi bullish IHSG : MACD diatas positif, golden cross 20 100 day EMA, candle weekly long white candle + vol meningkat, seharusnya masih dukung potensi kenaikan kendati terbatas karena kondisi overbought (stochastic daily) pada pekan ini. Ascending triangle resistance line di 1,525/30an sub wave 5 dalam koreksi wave IV, patut diwaspadai bullish player (Bear Market Rally). Untuk medium term: IHSG bearish selama berada di bawah 200-day EMA di 1,610 38.2% retracement fibo (2,832-1,089) di 1,754. Perkiraan range pekan ini 1,420-1,530. Profit taking untuk akumulasi pekan depan: AALI, ANTM, BUMI, INDY, LSIP, INCO, PGAS, TINS. BBRI, BMRI, BDMN, BBCA, BBNI, CTRA, ELTY. (Cautious of overbought). Akumulasi TLKM, ITMG, TBLA, MEDC, BISI, PTRO. Disclaimer. Blog: globalmarketstrategist.blogspot.com www.strategydesk.co.id + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links 338.gif360.gif
Re: [ob] IHSG Hari Senin Pekan Ini
Thanks. Trust nowadays will be tremendous time to invest. It won't come twice life time. Your theory is crazy but it's not crazy enough to be true. I like it. Wise man says every cloud has a silver lining. I'm with you and time is my sincere friend. Rgds, Yuta Powered by my VerryBerry® -Original Message- From: Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.com Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 13:57:16 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] IHSG Hari Senin Pekan Ini *Yes, but please don't expect it to happen overnight. Elaine** * 2009/4/6 Yuta Tiziano yuta.tizi...@gmail.com Earlier you said that BUMI's negative factor has bring IDX down below 2000. And along with optimistism and some good news, BUMI will touch the new higher of 10,000, which consequently will push toward IDX to 3,000, correct?. Just want to reconfirm. Powered by my VerryBerry® -- *From*: Elaine Sui *Date*: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 13:26:57 +0700 *To*: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com *Subject*: Re: [ob] IHSG Hari Senin Pekan Ini *Realizing profit? I see they're only losing potential gain. Yang penting Elaine sudah kasih tahu, mau ikut atau tidak it's not really my business. IDX will have new high perhaps next year, and this week the score will be 7:0 straight. But don't worry my dear technicalists, you'll get your correction next year, so be patience. lolz.. [?] Elaine** * 2009/4/6 Rei highwaysta...@gmail.com It's mostly cause everyone is trading, letting go their holdings once they make few points and then when the market goes higher, they will be in confusion whether to buy at higher price or wait for correction...best is to wait for correction, hence the wish for a correction hehehe I know..I know, you said Invest! Not many want to invest, everyone wants to realize their profits fast. Jsx Investor (courtesy of pak Yudizz) [?] 2009/4/6 Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.com *Let the market decide.. ha ha ha.. well okay TA is not my field so no comment. Geez, why'd anyone want a correction. Elaine** * 2009/4/6 gang...@idola.net.id Ms Elaine, Any comment on below writings ? A3K IHSG pada pekan lalu menguat 2.5% di level psikologis 1,500, berkat serangkaian laporan positif dari inflasi Maret, penurunan suku bunga BI menjadi 7.50%, cadangan devisa capai $54.8 milyar (31 Maret), kenaikan harga komoditas serta penguatan rupiah ke 11,380 hari Jumat. Positifnya hasil pertemuan G20 di London hari Kamis lalu rencana Program pembelian aset beracun oleh Pemerintahan Obama, telah angkat saham di seluruh dunia, berkat spekulasi resesi ekonomi global akan segera berakhir. Solidnya laporan keuangan emiten (BUMI, BMRI, BBRI, BBCA, ELSA, BBNI, PTBA, INDY) minggu lalu ikut dorong kenaikan IHSG ke tertinggi 1,511 hari Jumat. Tetapi euphoria rally akan dibatasi oleh dimulainya musim Earnings Q1 di AS (Alcoa Chevron) yang berpeluang menunjukkan #39;poor result#39; peluang profit taking jelang liburan Paskah pemilu 9 April Jumat pekan ini. Kondisi teknikal yang overbought lemahnya ekonomi dalam negeri global ikut membatasi Rally dalam Bear Market. Technical Analysis: IHSG menunjukkan pola reversal minor hari Jumat berkat pola candle doji star, volume rendah, MFI menunjukkan toppish, MACD intraday negatif (pertama x dalam 3 hari terakhir) masih ditutup dibawah 50% retracement fibo di 1,504. Jika level 1,511 tîdak berhasil ditembus Senin, potensi koreksi terbuka ke support 1,494/1,478. Formasi bullish IHSG : MACD diatas positif, golden cross 20 100 day EMA, candle weekly long white candle + vol meningkat, seharusnya masih dukung potensi kenaikan kendati terbatas karena kondisi overbought (stochastic daily) pada pekan ini. Ascending triangle resistance line di 1,525/30an sub wave 5 dalam koreksi wave IV, patut diwaspadai bullish player (Bear Market Rally). Untuk medium term: IHSG bearish selama berada di bawah 200-day EMA di 1,610 38.2% retracement fibo (2,832-1,089) di 1,754. Perkiraan range pekan ini 1,420-1,530. Profit taking untuk akumulasi pekan depan: AALI, ANTM, BUMI, INDY, LSIP, INCO, PGAS, TINS. BBRI, BMRI, BDMN, BBCA, BBNI, CTRA, ELTY. (Cautious of overbought). Akumulasi TLKM, ITMG, TBLA, MEDC, BISI, PTRO. Disclaimer. Blog: globalmarketstrategist.blogspot.com www.strategydesk.co.id + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links 338.gif360.gif
Re: [ob] Bakrie Brother - Rugi 16,6T
Ada yg pernah ngikutin dulu pola BNBR bisa lolos krisis tahun 98 dengan mendilusi saham Bakrie family (kalau tidak salah cuma tinggal 2.5%). Mungkin pola ini berulang kali ini, tapi bukan terhadap BNBR karena tidak punya aset langsung, tapi gantinya BUMI, UNSP dll. Mungkin ini kabar baik malah ke investor. Powered by my VerryBerry® -Original Message- From: nicholas alvin nicholas_al...@yahoo.com Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 22:59:34 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] Bakrie Brother - Rugi 16,6T BNBR di korbankan, bangkrut harusnya. --- On Sat, 4/4/09, laun launa alagun...@yahoo.com wrote: From: laun launa alagun...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [ob] Bakrie Brother - Rugi 16,6T To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, April 4, 2009, 11:24 PM Pertanyaan berikutnya, berapa persen modal kepemilikan yang hilang? atau cuma sebatas cara untuk menghilangkan kewajiban membayar pajak? From: Rita Pardede call...@yahoo. com To: sa...@yahoogroups. com Cc: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Friday, April 3, 2009 1:35:12 PM Subject: [ob] Bakrie Brother - Rugi 16,6T PT Bakrie Brothers Tbk (BNBR) mencatatkan rugi bersih tahun 2008 ke level Rp16,624 triliun, bila dibandingkan pada periode tahun sebelumnya yang mengalami keuntungan Rp223,357 miliar. Artinya, BNBR mengalami penuruan dari laba menjadi rugi 7.542 persen. Hal tersebut diungkapkan manajemen perseroan, dalam laporan keuangan yang dipublikasikan, di Jakarta, Apa Efeknya pada groups ? Regards Rita http://www.indonesi ancompany. com
Re: [ob] Jagalah kebersihan..dan kerukunan
Pak DE, Pak JT, juga Pak Tasrul dan Senior2 TA IHSG close di berapa supaya confirm break resisten dan indikator yg masih laggard menjadi reversal dan ikut pointing bull juga (atau paling tidak netral)? Rgds, Yuta Powered by my VerryBerry® -Original Message- From: Dean Earwicker dean.earwic...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 11:59:29 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.comobrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ob] Jagalah kebersihan..dan kerukunan Berkali-kali saya pesen.. jagalah kerukunan, rapatkan barisan. Kemaren bos ydizz, sekarang mbak fifi. Mohon rapatkan barisan, IHSG sedang kritis untuk pembalikan trend (strong resisten), sementara indikator laggard udah ngac*ng semua. MACD POSITIF, MA GOLDEN CROSS. Lapkeu ada yang turun tapi mayoritas lumayan bagus/diatas ekspektasi, malah ada bbrp yang spektakuler. Si bozz lagi mau ganggu emosi trader, baik lewat psikologi (EL babat trader bearish 3:0 katenye, bos Rusli jadi korban..) ataupun dari gerakan intraday (gocekan maut). Trader pemula pasti stress Jumat kemaren? lah gw aja stress..hueuhueu sampe males trading.. Udah lah tenang-tenang aja knp sih. :) Ngejunk gak ngejunk yang penting COAN, betoel? Ada peribahasa dari kampung saya di France:* Alon alon asal kelakon*. Lebih baik terlambat asal selamat. Makin banyak indikator yang menunjukkan bullish, maka resultnya: *WELCOME BULL!* Akhirnya datang juga.. memang agak terlambat, tapi ya resiko trend follower emang begitu. Terima aja. Kalau mau invest, silakan saja. Secara TA sudah mendukung, jadi BOW sajalah. Btw, saya lagi enggan posting banyak-banyak, soalnya lagi bau nih tangannya, weekend kerja bakti sama warga dan aparat. Lumayan belog nih..hehe Yang berminat mau membantu, ada satu sekolah (TK) yang sangat membutuhkan: 1. Baju seragam TK 2. Alat tulis/peraga/buku pelajaran 3. Meja kursi papantulis untuk TK 4. komputer Saat ini anak-anak belajar menumpang di salah satu kelas univ. Muhammadiyah. Kalau untuk warga: 1. Disinfektan 2. Psikolog -- perlu counselling karena tragedi ini membuat depresi. btw Kalau baju dan makanan sudah menumpuk. Mohon bila memang ada coan yang bisa di sumbangkan silahkan hubungi Koordinator Logistik Univ. Muhammadiyah Jakarta: *M. Yuhdi* 021-749 0385 0815-133-86-591 Atau datang langsung ke Posko Utama Bantuan Korban situ Gintung, Fakultas hukum Univ. Muhammadiyah Jakarta, Jl. KH. Ahmad Dahlan, Kp. Gunung Utara, Cirendeu- Banten. Terima kasih banyak, GBU. Regards, DE
Re: [ob] Bumi manggung
Target berapa Pak Arto? Soft landing di 1,000 dulu atau AR kanan sekalian? Powered by my VerryBerry® -Original Message- From: artomoro9 artomo...@yahoo.co.id Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 20:12:23 To: Obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.comObrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ob] Bumi manggung Saya berharap besok bei minus -9 sampai -19 point. Agar bumi bisa enak manggungnya. Kalo market plus, bumi ga dianggap. Kemaren2 semua tertuju pada saham non bumi. jadi agar bumi bisa manggung mending ihsg di buat merah dulu. Mohon maaf kalo hal ini jadi buat ga nyaman buat obers. Semoga saya salah. Dan buat para sesepuh, mohon maaf sekali lagi jika postingan saya selama ini bikin ga nyaman buat para sesepuh. Peace. ___ Dapatkan alamat Email baru Anda! Dapatkan nama yang selalu Anda inginkan sebelum diambil orang lain! http://mail.promotions.yahoo.com/newdomains/id/ + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [ob] Re: Bandarmologi : INCO
Embah. Minggu depan akan keluar pengumuman hasil 1Q beberapa perusahaan dan rabu data ekonomi oleh the Fed. Walaupun kemarin jobless ratio hit the highest tapi Dow rebound dan tutup positif. Minggu depan ini penentuan bahwa rally ini adalah technical bear rally atau first leg bahwa bull sudah defeat bear. Analyst bilang cermati SP 500, jika over 850, maka future mulai price in, walaupun hasil 1Q tidak memuaskan, tetapi financial term, investor sudah bisa memprediksi bahwa 2Q will surpass 1Q result. It means simply we are about to see bottoming phase. Mudah2an doa kita semua menjadi kenyataan. Dow tetap keep diatas 8000 (mudah2an keep rally) dan pemilu legislatif lancar minggu depan. Hidup OB. Rgds, Yuta Powered by my VerryBerry® -Original Message- From: jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id Date: Sat, 04 Apr 2009 04:14:46 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ob] Re: Bandarmologi : INCO --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Boys n Girls boysngi...@... wrote: kalau demikian.. tentunya retail akan terkonsentrasi di saham-saham harga bawah seperti TINS ANTM INCO INDF ?? Menarik sekali sih.. BD beli INCO banyak dan hanya minoritas KECIL retail 'PKB' yg beli INCO. Kalo barang murah, tentu mayoritas retail yg RASIONIL yg banyak beli ANTM. pak Tbumi pasti beli ANTM karena pak Tbumi sangat rasionil. Lulus engga pak ?. 2009/4/4 jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@... Kalo menurut embah, BD masih dalam posisi pegang saham, tapi ketika DJI mencapai 8000 dan menghadapi minggu pemilu, BD masih meraba raba apakah DJI masih akan rally, sideways atau turun lagi. Untuk menghindarkan RISK ini, BD mulai menjalankan STRATEGI DEFENSIF: - Memainkan saham saham yg harganya belum naik (INCO,ANTM,TINS,INDF dll yg laporan Q4nya negatif). Risk BD disini kecil mengingat market BEI paling doyan main saham favorit murah ini (nostalgia indah masa lalu) - Memasang posisi KUDA KUDA defensif (kaki kiri maju, kaki kanan kebelakang) pada saham TLKM, BUMI, UNVR untuk memperkuat posisi memperkecil Market Risk. Termasuk posisi kuda kuda jangka pendek pada INCO dan UNTR. - Posisi DEFENSIF ini bisa berubah menjadi posisi MENYERANG jika Pemilu lancar atau DJI melanjutkan rally. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, Rei highwaystar91@ wrote: Jadi kira2 apa tujuan bandar, Mbah? Yg bagus aja performancenya masih ada yg tdk naik, tetapi inco malah luar biasa kan kemarin2 padahal tahu sendiri kondisinya... 2009/4/4 jsx_consultant jsx-consultant@ BD tentu punya maksud dengan menaikan INCO begitu spectaculernya kecuali ada Corporate Action atau Good News. Embah pernah bilang saham yang Lap Keuangan Q4 2008 (Oct+Nov+Dec) yg Net Profitnya negatif susah naiknya beberapa waktu lalu, dan ini BENAR selama wave 5 berjalan kecuali beberapa hari terakhir menjelang IHSG 1500... Anda bisa liat saham yg profit Q4 nya negatif pada daftar dibawah ini yg dirangking berdasar LAST QUARTER ROE http://www.obrolanbandar.com/rankbyroe.html Lihat kolom LAST QUARTER yg diberi tanda ** (ROE + PER) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.comobrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.comobrolan-bandar% 40yahoogroups.com, Halim Perdana ir_rush@ wrote: Embah kemana nih, ditunggu ulasan bandarmologinya Just curious dengan kenaikan INCO yang luar biasa hari ini. Cucu takut ada unsur perbandaran disini, Bozz sebenarnya melakukan distribusi banking (sell on news BI Rate dan G20 summit meeting) tapi untuk mengelabui, INCO diangkat sampai hampir mentok (sampai ucek2 mata lihat monitor tadi saking nggak percayanya). Faktor G20 ini juga yang membuat EL begitu yakin IHSG akan tetap di daerah hijau sampai hari jum'at. -- Wakakaka ampun Mbah..maaf atas kelancangan cucumu ini. + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:obrolan-bandar-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:obrolan-bandar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: obrolan-bandar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
Re: [ob] Apologize to All OB Members
Its OK, gaya bahasa dan attitude is just a matter of personnel, can't be changed so easily. As long as tidak attack personality, don't mind. Yg penting contents does matter. Ini sama dengan bisnis, yang dicari apa atau siapa yg bisa memberikan manfaat, regardless who they are. Kalau tulisan worthed dibaca walaupun penyampaian gaya bahasa tidak berkenan, tetap can be something valuable. Powered by my VerryBerry® -Original Message- From: y_dizz y_d...@mail2web.com Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2009 12:02:45 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ob] Apologize to All OB Members Btw, saya mau tanya kepada rekan2 OB sekalian; Postingan saya kayaknya banyak yang NYEBELIN ya? Soalnya di blog STA ada posting gini nih: 09:31 PM Apr 02, 2009 Sandy Iya nih, OB tempat nya penghakiman orang 2 yang mestinya tidak dihakimi. Mestinya yang pantes dihakimi tuh mereka yang bnyk cing-cong. But senior OB masih gw hormati. Gw paling kesel ama yang namanya Y*, ngocol abis. Hahaha, ngakak saya bacanya... Ternyata saya udah jadi PUBLIC ENEMY ya, like Elaine and Oentoeng few times ago. Sekali lagi saya mohon maaf kalo selama 9 bulan saya join OB, ada postingan saya yang dirasa menyinggung perasaan kalian. Saya masih senang nongkrong di warungnya Embah, sudah dalam tingkat addicted malah. Kalo memang dirasa mengganggu, saya akan berusaha mengubah gaya tulisan saya yang sedikit LIAR. Regards, Yudizz + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:obrolan-bandar-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:obrolan-bandar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: obrolan-bandar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[ob] To Elaine - just simple question
Dear Elaine, If mind to answer. Perhaps the ongoing condition is what you have predicted that with the new mark-to-market accounting rules which is started Q2 will change US Bank valuation and attemp to solvent financial market creating capital inflow to emerging market, am I right? Then the question is, what obstacles you would expect of what condition to disturb the economic recovery? If nothing, shall we have a V shape recovery? Tks for your head up analysis. Rgds, Yuta Powered by my VerryBerry® + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:obrolan-bandar-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:obrolan-bandar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: obrolan-bandar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [ob] Re: Kapan naek?
Kalau main JSMR emang perlu lumutan dulu nunggu bulanan baru digerakkan. Kalau trader harian, ni saham mungkin tidak cocok. Powered by my VerryBerry® -Original Message- From: y_dizz y_d...@mail2web.com Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2009 03:07:57 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ob] Re: Kapan naek? JSMR bandare edan, udah nunggu sampe jamuran, kagak diangkat2. Nunggu saya cut loss ya? Hahaha... Regards, Yudizz --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Halim Perdana ir_r...@... wrote: Nunggu apa sih, kok belum naek2 : WIKA JSMR TBLA SMCB PTBA + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:obrolan-bandar-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:obrolan-bandar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: obrolan-bandar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [ob] INDF to pak JT
Pak JT, kok seperti CH? Apa bisa? Powered by my VerryBerry® -Original Message- From: JsxTrader jsxtra...@yahoo.com Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 11:50:51 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [ob] INDF to pak JT INDF mulai ada tanda-tanda tuh., tinggal tunggu volume aja., sekarang ada di support yg cukup kuat lah.., sabar aja, BDnya emang nyebelin., dah lama saya ngga main ini barang. JT indf.png From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of iwan jalal Sent: 02 April 2009 11:28 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ob] INDF to pak JT Pak JT, kalo INDF gimana critanya ini? kok yg lain manjat2 dia diem ? apa boleh di kumpuli di harga segini? tq No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.283 / Virus Database: 270.11.37/2036 - Release Date: 04/01/09 21:02:00 image001.png
Re: To Pak Hmin [ob] FRIDAY'S DARK CLOUD
Pak Hmin Kalau tidak salah dulua Bapak pernah bilang lihat kondisi Mar-Apr (apa Apr-Mei ya), baru tentuin mau mulai beli saham lagi. Jadi sekarang confirm sudah mulai aktif lagi boss? (walaupun masih bear rally) Rgds, Yuta Powered by my VerryBerry® -Original Message- From: boysngi...@gmail.com Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 06:46:35 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [SPAM][SPAM]Re: [ob] FRIDAY'S DARK CLOUD Kalau saya bilang masih relatif murah semua percaya tidak ? Tips.. Coba bandingkan harga lsip aali dengan eps mereka di Q4.. Saya rasa semua setuju kalau Q4 adalah peghasil terjelek emiten cpo Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone from Sinyal Bagus XL, Nyambung Teruuusss...! -Original Message- From: arisugiarto.sant...@gmail.com Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 06:36:34 To: OBobrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [SPAM][SPAM]Re: [ob] FRIDAY'S DARK CLOUD Yg mana pak hmin? Smar,tbla,sgro,lsip? Mau nambah mumpung masih murah kayak kata pak hmin. Thx Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT -Original Message- From: boysngi...@gmail.com Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 06:18:55 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [SPAM][SPAM]Re: [ob] FRIDAY'S DARK CLOUD Kadang saya bingung juga Susah bertahan di atas 2000 atau susah turun ke bawah 2000 Untung aja beberapa emiten cpo valuasinya gak mahal.. Jadi bisa dikit tenang. Ada asuransi kalau ternyata gagal Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone from Sinyal Bagus XL, Nyambung Teruuusss...! -Original Message- From: y_dizz y_d...@mail2web.com Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 06:15:11 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [SPAM][SPAM]Re: [ob] FRIDAY'S DARK CLOUD Udah dari kemarin too much good news from CPO, tapi harga susah banget stabil dia atas MYR 2000. Hmm, jadi curiga... Btw, BUMI @10k..?!? Gue suka gaya loe, LOLz :-D Regards, Yudizz --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, ruzli indeksbei3...@... wrote: Break Up Or Down ??? Kalau Up, I Ave up Kalau Down, I Short dulu :) CPO futures rise on farmers' strike Commodity markets show signs of rebound ReutersWall St. rallies late as data offsets bond sale gloom http://bright-info.blogspot.com/ Pada 26 Maret 2009 12:34, boysngi...@... menulis: Plese break your cpo I need help Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone from Sinyal Bagus XL, Nyambung Teruuusss...! From: Elaine Sui Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 12:29:42 +0700 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [SPAM][SPAM]Re: [ob] FRIDAY'S DARK CLOUD I will sell it @ 20k also BUMI @ 10k, possibly in 2011. I can wait. Elaine 2009/3/26 ruzli indeksbei3...@... Dear EL You like Mining Energy Stocks such as ADRO. How about PTBA ??? Is it on your list too ? Regards Ruz Pada 26 Maret 2009 12:08, Elaine Sui elainesu...@... menulis: So it's confirmed. Sometimes I wonder why I'm so good. Elaine
Re: [ob] BUMI - Rem Tangan belum dilepas
Pak JT, Diatas 830, maksudnya apakah beli sewaktu harga bergerak spot diatas 830 atau hanya waktu closing di atas 830? Rgds Powered by my VerryBerry® -Original Message- From: JsxTrader jsxtra...@yahoo.com Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 14:10:26 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [ob] BUMI - Rem Tangan belum dilepas Gerak dong.., dari kemarin kan naik meskipun sikit-sikit..., diatas 830 ane mau tambo cie.. hehe JT -Original Message- From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ruzli Sent: 24 Maret 2009 13:57 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] BUMI - Rem Tangan belum dilepas Paj JT sendiri masih Pegang ?? Katanya kalau minggu ini ga gerak mau keluar aza ? + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:obrolan-bandar-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:obrolan-bandar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: obrolan-bandar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: Change to new subject tag [ob]
Setuju mbanget mbah. Kadang2 BB atau computer suka diintip sama teman, kalau terbaca ada tulisan obrolan bandar di mail topik, wah bisa jadi salah pengertian, dipikir saya Bandar beneran. Mending kalau masih dikira Bandar saham, kalau Bandar Judi atau kata yg negatif lainnya, kan bisa berabe. Bravo buat mbah yang selalu adaptif dan akomodatif dengan improvement. Rgds, Yuta Powered by my VerryBerry® -Original Message- From: jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 02:39:13 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Change to new subject tag [ob] Change to new subject tag [ob] Mulai hari ini, Subject tag dirubah dari [obrolan-bandar] menjadi [ob] untuk mempersingkat panjangnya Subject. Moderator + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:obrolan-bandar-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:obrolan-bandar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: obrolan-bandar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[obrolan-bandar] To Mbah - Ekonomi is truly bottoming?
Dear Mbah dan rekan/senior yg lain, Di perusahan saya bekerja (multinational dengan 100 offices worldwide), setiap minggu ada weekly digest dan update tentang various sector yang dirangkum dari seluruh dunia dari karyawan/vendor/supplier/customer langsung (bukan dari news). Di dua minggu terakhir ini bad news mulai cease out dan kebalikannya good news mulai bertebaran. Contoh: - Penjualan LCD Samsung di USA naik 20% dibanding periode lalu - Steel price mulai naik dari bottom dipacu dari statement China yang akan beli dan guarantee dari PM Thailand untuk buat steel factory bagi automotive - AUD mulai naik against USD diiringi naiknya eksport komodity dan bursa +11% week on week - dll Bagaimana pendapat Mbah soal ini? Dan juga sebagai bahan diskusi untuk kita semua. Jika ada yg punya good news, tolong dishare juga. Optimisme ini harus tumbuh di hati kita dan juga di BEJ, kalau benar2 global economic recovery is just round the corner. Rgds, Yuta Powered by my VerryBerry® + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:obrolan-bandar-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:obrolan-bandar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: obrolan-bandar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[obrolan-bandar] To Mbah - Ekonomi is truly bottoming?
Dear Mbah dan rekan/senior yg lain, Di perusahan saya bekerja (multinational dengan 100 offices worldwide), setiap minggu ada weekly digest dan update tentang various sector yang dirangkum dari seluruh dunia dari karyawan/vendor/supplier/customer langsung (bukan dari news). Di dua minggu terakhir ini bad news mulai cease out dan kebalikannya good news mulai bertebaran. Contoh: - Penjualan LCD Samsung di USA naik 20% dibanding periode lalu - Steel price mulai naik dari bottom dipacu dari statement China yang akan beli dan guarantee dari PM Thailand untuk buat steel factory bagi automotive - AUD mulai naik against USD diiringi naiknya eksport komodity dan bursa +11% week on week - dll Bagaimana pendapat Mbah soal ini? Dan juga sebagai bahan diskusi untuk kita semua. Jika ada yg punya good news, tolong dishare juga. Optimisme ini harus tumbuh di hati kita dan juga di BEJ, kalau benar2 global economic recovery is just round the corner. Rgds, Yuta Powered by my VerryBerry® + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:obrolan-bandar-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:obrolan-bandar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: obrolan-bandar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: To Mbah - Ekonomi is truly bottoming?
Aimee benar bahwa recovery tidak akan instant. Andai statement bahwa US sudah krisis mulai Dec 07, maka jika kita ambil cutoff timingnya today maka at least bottoming proses bisa berjalan berbulan2, sesuai dengan declining period. Tetapi yang saya mau share, leading economic indicators tidak melemah sesuai perkiraan, which is good news, isn't it?. Neighbourhood countries surrounding US, terutama Asia, sudah melihat bahwa sepanjang US belum recover, maka pemulihan hanya semu. Semua sepakat bahwa US harus recover duluan before others. Ini penting, karena dulu dunia menganggap kalau US jatuh, biarkan saja. Ternyata domino effect dan korelasi supply demand tidak terbantahkan dalam borderless financial trading system abad modern. The Fed sudah mengeluarkan strategi diluar konvensional mechanism (penurunan exchange rate), seperti issuance USD 1.2T bond. Ini berakibat penurunan USD. Oil yg priced in USD, dengan melemahnya value maka harga menjadi murah dan trigger orang beli dengan quantity yg banyak dengan value USD yg sama. Apakah ini akan berlanjut dengan kenaikan harga komoditas lain? Maybe yes maybe no. But need action to move the economic. Doing nothing will kill the curing process to point of no return. April contract akan berakhir besok dan May delivery contract di trade di angka near to USD 52. Above USD 50 sudah boleh dibilang bagus karena oil dulu mulai bull setelah close di angka USD 50, semoga sejarah repeat itself. Singkatnya, proses pemburukan sudah mulai melandai dan within calculated risk. Is it bottoming? Why not? Billion peoples in this planet is waiting this timing and now about to come. Cheers. Rgds, Yuta Powered by my VerryBerry® -Original Message- From: RATU SIMA ratus...@gmail.com Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 19:13:26 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: To Mbah - Ekonomi is truly bottoming? Misi numpang lewat, Aimee YAKIN ekonomi maupun pasar modal BELUM bottoming out. Aimee pernah kirim postingan supaya semua DIMOHON bersabar. SITUASI INI bisa terus berlangsung sampai akhir TAHUN ini. Negeri ANTAH BRANTAH perlu membenahi dulu sistem perbankan dan finansial sampai MEMULIHKAN kepercayaan INVESTOR BESAR. SATU HAL yang mungkin tidak familiar, konsumsi domestik mereka pun tidak menjamin PEMULIHAN ini. (PAKET STIMULUS. INVESTOR-INVESTOR ASING yang juga berkontribusi besar thdp NEGERI ANTAH BRANTAH belum berniat 'meminang kembali' harta karun dari negeri ini. HAL INI membikin mereka agak kelimpungan karena alternatif mengobral TREASURY BOND dan mencetak peredaran uang melalui kebijakan THE FED bak 'keluar dari mulut harimau, trus masuk ke mulut buaya'. Di satu sisi kasihan, karena ekonomi dunia yang begitu US Consumer Sentris ini telah menjadikan US sbg TITIK EKSPOR UTAMA, tanpa mengantisipasi terjadinya hal yang di luar dugaan sekarang ini. Dulu Negeri ANTAH BRANTAH terlalu memanjakan Negeri Laksmana Chengho dgn melunakkan sedemikian rupa pembelian TREASURY BOND sbg CADANGAN DEVISA. INI telah memicu pelunakan besar-besaran thdp kisaran harga KPR di NEGERI ANTAH BRANTAH. Sekali lagi MOHON BERSABAR. NIkmati saja potensi bear rally sekarang ini. Love, Aimee (IBU TANI BERCAPING) Calon bibit sementara : LSIP, SGRO, UNSP, AALI.
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Mohon maaf semua,...........Mbah, JsxTrader
Pak Hendrik dolgado dulu juga tahan banting .. Powered by my VerryBerry® -Original Message- From: JsxTrader™ jsxtra...@yahoo.com Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 15:57:51 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Mohon maaf semua,...Mbah, JsxTrader Yeee..., kenapa jadi gw tertuduhnya, Mbah duluan tuh.., ane cuma nanya doang.., mosok gitu aja ngambek.. Hehe Tapi ya.., di OB ini gw mencatat ada dua orang yg tahan pukul.., Tbumi dan Pak Angelo, dijail'in and diledekin banyak orang tapi asik2 aja tuh.., hahaha... Salut dah buat mereka.., control emosinya luar biasa.. Hmm.., Siapa lagi ya yg masuk kategori OBer tahan pukul? Powered by Telkomsel BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: \::Pak_AA:\: abdul.rahman.ra...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 16:21:24 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Mohon maaf semua,...Mbah, JsxTrader Ane suka postingan pak Adjies2000. Banyak yang saya kasih label untuk ditandai, kalau2 suatu saat perlu dibaca ulang. Semangat Pak. Biasa itu mah dijahilin pak JT hehehe On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 2:06 PM, adjies2000 ad2...@cbn.net.id wrote: Mohon maaf semua untuk kegaduhan yang telah muncul Aku berjanji menjadi anak baik...duduk diam dan tidak posting. Terima kasih Salam + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:obrolan-bandar-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:obrolan-bandar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: obrolan-bandar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Wave 5 is running
All this time, baru sekali ini posting dari Aimee agak soft dan sounds promissing. Apakah V recovery is just round the corner? Powered by my VerryBerry® -Original Message- From: y_dizz y_d...@mail2web.com Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 07:46:45 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Wave 5 is running AIMEE MAU NGE-LONG..?!? Minggir semuanya, biar gue tabrak tuh jin2 yang nongkrong di kanan..!! Regards, Yudizz --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, RATU SIMA ratus...@... wrote: Jolind, SAAT INI, pasar sudah sangat oversold. Kalo ingin melikuidasi posisi short, SILAKAN. Saya juga ancang-ancang ngambil posisi LONG, salah satunya ANTM. TAPI PERLU DIGARISBAWAHI, ini tidak berarti 'bullish' mode. Pelajari dulu apakah rasio koreksi positif dan negative commensurate, kalo tidak 'bearish' mode masey ON. Kalo agak signifikan positifnya berarti kemungkinan bear rally berlanjut. BAGI YANG 'DOMPETNYA' TEBEL, saya anjurkan posisi LONG untuk saham-saham sektor finansial US. Aimee. + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:obrolan-bandar-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:obrolan-bandar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: obrolan-bandar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [obrolan-bandar] A Snap Punchliner
Dear Aimee, Have several questions on these to just make it clearer: 1. Are you a player or broker or just comentator? 2. Do you have position on stock market or wait approriate timing to entry? 3. What kind of target you are aiming? To push people to sell lower, to prevent people from buying higher, to stop people to buy stock or none of above? You use very intellectual languange, like a Phd degree, so you aren't just ordinary guy. Trust me, a lot of peoples was influenced by your statement, if this is meant something for you. And I am classified as one of them. Hope you can clarify above for better understanding. Rgds, Yuta Powered by my VerryBerry® -Original Message- From: RATU SIMA ratus...@gmail.com Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 17:18:01 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] A Snap Punchliner Bro Aria, It's ALL about money. No matter how significant people regard him as a Super Human-like thing on this planet. I just DON'T think so. Market reactions are always negating his every new decision in his new occupancy. Why? Nationalizing its 1 or 2 banks WILL trigger tens, hundreds, and even thousands of financial institutions in the country. It is a saving-life scenario by betting its own HEART as its most vital body organ. Again Bro, U might be a knocker in charting, BUT if U research it back when almost all the world stock indices formed bearish wedge by the end of 08 early 2009 as well as its rebounds have been much shorter than its corrections. It obviously means that market is still down the hill. Kay bro... this is coming down to a larger scene which is economically falling into the failure of Keynesian. The cure is NOT YET FOUND. I'm convinced. Next time I'm going to explain it in clear-cut words. So bullish time = )!(@*#*$$^%#|+...@%^$#*)%_%*(_^%$# Love, Aimee
Re: [obrolan-bandar] A Snap Punchliner
Dear Aimee, Your statement just clear enough, at least for me. No more questions. Oh by the way, your home is just adjascent to my little house. Meanwhile, wud you share some different perspective to the quoted article below?, thanks. --- qt --- Reuters: U.S. economy seen starting recovery in second half of '09: poll 23 Feb 2009, 03:59 AM EST By Lucia Mutikani WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. economy is set to contract sharply in the first quarter, with the current cyclical downturn on track to rival the 1973-75 slump as soaring unemployment depresses demand, a survey showed. However, a survey of 47 professional forecasters released by the National Association of Business Economists on Monday predicted the recession-hit economy would begin to recover in the second half of this year, returning to a potential growth trend in 2010. The recovery was seen driven by the Obama administration's $787 billion economic stimulus plan, the group said. The steady drumbeat of weak economic and financial market data have made business economists decidedly more pessimistic on the economic outlook for the next several quarters, said NABE President Chris Varvares. The good news is that economic activity is expected to turn up in the second half of the year and 2010 is expected to see modestly above-trend growth of 3.1 percent, Varvares said. The survey, conducted between January 29 and February 12, forecast real gross domestic product would shrink by an annualized rate of 5.0 percent in the first quarter, moderating to a 1.7 percent contraction in the second quarter. The economy was expected to expand by 1.0 percent in the third quarter, with growth quickening to 2.1 percent in the final three months of the year, the poll respondents said. Advance government estimates showed GDP shrank at a 3.8 percent annual rate in the fourth quarter, but this figure is likely to be revised to show a bigger contraction when preliminary figures are released on Friday. In November, the NABE survey had forecast first-quarter GDP sliding at an annual rate of 1.3 percent, before rising by an anemic 0.5 percent in the second quarter. The U.S. economy tipped into recession in December 2007, triggered by the collapse of the domestic housing market and the accompanying global credit crisis. HOUSEHOLDS POORER With real estate and stock market prices crumbling, household wealth is declining and their spending capacity has been severely eroded. The resulting slump in demand is forcing companies to lay off workers in huge numbers, exacerbating the severity of the 13-month-old downturn. Cumulatively, the cyclical downturn will rival that of 1973-75. In the current downturn, real GDP is predicted to decline 2.8 percent -- slightly less than the 3.1 percent during the early '70s, the NABE said. The survey forecast the unemployment rate peaking at 9.0 percent in the fourth quarter, before edging lower from the second quarter of 2010. The U.S. jobless rate is currently at 7.6 percent, a 16-year high. Job losses are expected to persist through 2009, though steadily diminishing over the course of the year. Average monthly payroll losses of 421,000 through the first half of the year will taper to 114,000 during the second half, the NABE said. House prices, as measured by the Federal Housing Finance Agency, were predicted to fall 5.3 percent this year, while declining home sales were seen reaching a bottom by mid-2009. Restoring stability to the housing market is widely seen as crucial to reviving the economy. The slump in consumer demand was expected to suppress inflation pressures, with the consumer price index forecast to fall 0.8 percent in 2009, before rebounding to 1.9 percent in 2010. Despite the pessimistic near-term outlook, the survey forecast the economy expanding at a rate of 3.1 percent in 2010, largely driven by the government's massive stimulus plan. NABE panelists foresee the United States as the leader in shaking off the recession shroud, the group said. --- unqt --- Rgds, Yuta Powered by my VerryBerry® -Original Message- From: RATU SIMA ratus...@gmail.com Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 18:39:43 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] A Snap Punchliner Dear Yuta, U sound smart. I believe U're. 1. I'm just a newbie around the corner. As a side-activity, we co-own one of leading foreign financial institutions across the world. Sometimes, when I am in good mood, travel around the world to see the reality of market condition. In my freetime I write for Reuters and Bloomberg of what's coming up in my mind. 2. We're still doing a strongly hedged-portfolio in equity with extremely tight entry and exit points. We've just taken profit from precious metals (target is at 1000 we set prior to mania euphoria). Today I declared to all our layers to cancel short-covering in oil. We dismiss our plan to purchase National Oilwell Varco stocks. Its risk doesn't
[obrolan-bandar] China Mine Blast May Boost Coal Prices
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123538321359647161.html?mod=fox_australian SHANGHAI -- China's coal prices could rally if Beijing orders stringent safety checks at coal mines in the wake of a blast in northern Shanxi province on Sunday, which killed at least 74 miners. Analysts say China was facing a coal output surplus of more than 50 million metric tons this year before the fatal explosion, but this could fall sharply and shore up prices if mines are forced to close temporarily or permanently. Beijing has long pledged to improve safety at its coal mines, and last year shut more than 1,000 shafts that it considered unsafe. But a death toll of 3,200 people last year, while representing a 15% decline from 2007, means the country's coal mines remain the world's deadliest.  What sets this accident apart is that it happened at a state-owned coal mine of relatively large size, said Li Chaolin, a market watcher with the China Coal Transportation and Distribution Association. So it is possible that stringent safety checks will be carried out not only in small coal mines but also in large ones with good safety records, he said. View Slideshow At Least 74 Killed in China Mine Blast Tunlan coal mine, where the explosion occurred, is a large, modernized coal mine under the state-owned Shanxi Coking Coal Group with annual coal production capacity of 5 million tons, according to the official Xinhua news agency. The group's major products include high-quality coking coal - a raw material used in steel production. Prior to the blast, analysts believed coal prices were set for a sustained period of weakness due to falling demand from power plants and other industries. Coal mines that were scheduled to resume output after annual checks and spring ending the demand for coal for heating also were expected to weigh on prices. Coal accounts for two-thirds of China's total energy mix, and around 90% of output is from small coal mines, defined as having a capacity of less than 300,000 tons a year. Shanxi province produces a quarter of China's coal output, which last year totaled 2.62 billion tons. Ma Xiaoguang, a coking coal analyst at Umeta, said all coal mines in Shanxi below 300,000 tons of annual capacity shut down in mid-December due to sluggish downstream demand and annual safety checks. She said the mines were originally scheduled to resume production by the end of March, when the annual meeting of China's legislature is due to wrap up, but now it seems likely the reopenings will be delayed. Proximity to the National People's Congress means the accident will likely come up as a topic during the meeting and the potential ramifications will be greater, Ms. Ma added. Xinhua said Beijing has ordered a probe into the blast, and three officials at the mine have been dismissed. Jin Yang Powered by my VerryBerry®
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Info APN telkomsel
Saya punya teman di Telkomsel bilang, sebaiknya diisi internet daripada telkomsel. Tapi alasan yg jelas tidak ada. Mungkin dari segi koneksi lebih stabil. Ingat, pakai apn operator kena biaya gprs diluar paket unlimited. Telkomsel belum punya paket unlimited apn blackberry + quota apn operator. Semoga membantu. Powered by my VerryBerry® -Original Message- From: Jeffry Lesmana jeffry_lesm...@yahoo.com Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 10:04:41 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Info APN telkomsel Untuk Telkomsel seharusnya bisa jalan tanpa set APN. Kalau ga bisa, APN diisi : Telkomsel Username dan password : dikosongkan saja. Thanks Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT -Original Message- From: danny.eug...@yahoo.co.uk Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 09:56:39 To: Obrolan Bandarobrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Info APN telkomsel Teman2 ada yang tau APN Telkomsel berikut username password untuk IPOT melalui BB. Thanks atas bantuan infonya. Powered by Telkomsel BlackBerry® + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:obrolan-bandar-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:obrolan-bandar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: obrolan-bandar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Volatilitas Won/Kospi vs IDR/IHSG
Precisely, ada kemungkinan IDR akan terus melemah vs USD (following Won) dan akan menarik IHSG kebawah seperti Kospi, begitu ya Pak? Powered by my VerryBerry® -Original Message- From: Boys n Girls boysngi...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 13:18:03 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Volatilitas Won/Kospi vs IDR/IHSG kayaknya mbah juga worry soal KS11 dan won nya you are not alone mbah... Btw...any other stock than BUMI right now ?? I find nothing 2009/2/20 jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id Volatilitas Won/Kospi vs IDR/IHSG http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=IDRUSD=Xt=3ml=offz=lq=lc=KRWUSD=X,%5EKS11,%5EJKSE
Re: [obrolan-bandar] OOT - Push Email
Berikut ada beberapa tips untuk hemat batere BB: 1. Waktu normal, matikan lampu LED, brightness set 10 dan auto dim set to off serta backlight time out 10 sec 2. Untuk bulky email seperti OB matikan fungsi getar, sound dan LED. Cuma kita harus sering2 check email 3. Set 2G i/o 3G 4. Ada yg bilang dengan Wi-Fi menyala walaupun out of coverage, bisa lebih irit tapi belum technically proven Semoga membantu. Oh ya, itu buat Bold ya, mungkin beda sama tipe lain. Powered by my VerryBerry® -Original Message- From: dho dhol...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 08:46:06 To: Milis OBobrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] OOT - Push Email Hehehehe... Makasih pak sharingnya... Daripada linglung liat market... Lebih hemat dari saya ya... Kalo 36 jam hampir sama 8310 saya dulu, semenjak ganti ini jadi boros Btw lagi cari cara nih untuk aplikasikan idenya cak Odink...qeqeqeqe -Original Message- From: JT jsxtra...@yahoo.com Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 15:41:01 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] OOT - Push Email Kurang lebih kuat 36 Jam Pak.., phone call jarang, normal chat, heavy email, sms, and IPOT sekali-sekali.., wi-fi always on, network 2G, OS ..221..., dan gak pake baterai gendongnya Pak Odink… hehehe JT From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of dho Sent: 17 Februari 2009 14:54 To: Milis OB Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] OOT - Push Email Eh pak JT, tanya ?™ boldnya bapak battery-nya bisa tahan 1 hari? Punya saya ini ndak bisa... Jam segini sdh tinggal 30% Sama ya? _ From: JT Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 07:51:34 + To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] OOT - Push Email Jalanin di 2G only, bat jauh lbh irit.. Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by ISAT -Original Message- From: Yudizz y_d...@mail2web.com mailto:y_dizz%40mail2web.com Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 14:25:42 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com mailto:obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] OOT - Push Email Sebenernya ada beberapa alternatif push mail selain Blackberry. Selain Seven yang Pak JT sebutkan, juga ada Mail Exchange untuk handset2 Symbian Windows Mobile. Alternatif lain untuk yang Symbian juga bisa pake Emoze atau Nokia Messaging. Semuanya gratisan, cuma bayar biaya GPRS doang. Sayang untuk ketahanan baterai, rasanya tidak ada yang se-efisien BB. Regards, Yudizz Send from My Nokia Nseries supported by Mail for Exchange 2.0 --- original message --- From: JT jsxtra...@yahoo.com mailto:jsxtrader%40yahoo.com Subject: [obrolan-bandar] OOT - Push Email Date: 17th February 2009 Time: 11:37:33 am Sekedar sharing untuk yg butuh push email.. Sebagai alternative BlackBerry.., SEVEN lumayan bagus juga, saya lagi coba di Window Mobile 6, bener-bener real time, kadang-kadang malah lebih cepet dari BB.., gratis lagi, Cuma kena biaya GPRS aja, so untuk yg HP-nya sdh punya paket GPRS, apalagi yg unlimited, should be no problem, masalah yg saya hadapi Cuma baterai jadi boros, tapi bisa diatasi dengan mematikan fungsi 3G dan switch ke 2G only. Oh ya, SEVEN juga bisa jalan di Nokia dll, info lanjut silahkan liat di web http://www.seven.com/ to download the software, klik; http://community.seven.com/get/def_seven Sorry OOT, market lagi bingung, jadi dari pada kita ikut bingung, mending main gadget. hehehe Rgrds, JT + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.10.25/1956 - Release Date: 02/16/09 18:31:00
[obrolan-bandar] DOW udah hijau 22:54
Bozz BEJ kegocek lagi? Mudah2an ini pengaruh positif bahwa paket stimulus akan disetujui oleh Senat. Jika ternyata tidak, susah buat dibayangkan Powered by Telkomsel BlackBerry® + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:obrolan-bandar-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:obrolan-bandar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: obrolan-bandar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [obrolan-bandar] OOT : BB Bold u/ high speed modem
Pak JT, jadi kesimpulannya Matrix Indosat bagus ya buat streaming data terutama untuk IPOT. Kalau tiap hari lihat lihat live trade, sebulan habis berapa ya? Oh ya, bagaimana ganti PIN di web? Trus, kalau switching antar operator, misal Telkomsel ke Indosat bisa nggak? Sorry banyak nanya, tapi worthed kok penjelasan dari the one and only Mr JT Rumornya ada 2 BB baru yg mau di-launch, mungkin tunggu Nokia N97 dulu, namanya Magnum dan Pluto. Keduanya base Bold dan Jave, tetap qwerty tapi touch screen. Bisa browse untuk detailnya. Apa tunggu duo ini dulu ya? Powered by Telkomsel BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: JT jsxtra...@yahoo.com Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 16:15:26 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] OOT : BB Bold u/ high speed modem Eittsss.., ane dah coba.., jangan nyalahin BB.., barusan test BOLD as MODEM., dgn matrix gprs (apn:indosatgprs) dapet 375 kbps download, upload 36 kbps di speedtest.net ( tiga kali coba hasilnya ngga jauh beda) .., buka Reuters and Metastock lancar!! (FYI, sementara pake IM2 broadband dgn modem ZTE hsdpa, signal hsdpa mentok, metastock ngga kebuka., rese emang nih IM2).., apalagi kalau Cuma buka yahoo finace Buka IPOT?? Piece of cake.., and you know what, saya coba streaming Youtube.. LANCAR JAYA !! (Ada patah-patah dikit sih, tapi jauh lebih bagus dari speedy) I am sure kalau paket datanya hsdpa bisa lebih yahud lagi speednya., so, the problem is your sim card Pak, I am positive about it.. So., this baby is SO Good.., ipot ok, you tube ok, modem ok.., apa lagi nih yg mesti di test ... Hehehe.., jd kesimpulannya, utk street trader, it's a must have., hehehe.., kompor.com JT From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of karno@gmail.com Sent: 31 Januari 2009 14:14 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] OOT : BB Bold u/ high speed modem Belum tapi kesimpulan sy ini soal handset bukan di simcardnya Sent from my BlackBerryR powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT _ From: JT Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 14:10:08 +0700 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] OOT : BB Bold u/ high speed modem Sdh coba pake handset lain dgn kartu yg sama?? Hasilnya gimana., ok deh, ntar saya coba, kebetulan saya juga pake matrix., I'll let you know. JT From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of karno@gmail.com Sent: 31 Januari 2009 14:01 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] OOT : BB Bold u/ high speed modem Saya pake matrix Pak. Browsing di BB terbatas banget, youtube aja ga bisa. Mengenai speed itu yg masalah. Setting BB jadi modem external emang agak ribet. Akhirnya berhasil connect. Mau diset 3G ga ngaruh. Connected di kanan bawah desktop bisa diatur mau berapa 'munculnya' 115,2kbps, empat ratus atau sembilan ratus? Tapi speed 'riil'nya ane test cuma dua puluhan kbps. Maksudnya spy praktis ga perlu bawa macem2 banyak hp/gadget/kartu. Thanks, Karno Sent from my BlackBerryR powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT _ From: JT Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 13:43:41 +0700 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] OOT : BB Bold u/ high speed modem Iya Pak, sayang amat buat modem.., kalau sekali-sekali sih ok lah.., dulu sih pernah coba pake 8707v.., keceng tuh, mentok dapet 300'an sesuai spec 3G.., kalau bold blum pernah coba.., yg suck inet providernya kali.. IM2 bukan?? Sekedar share, kalau utk modem, gw demen sonyericson, ngga perlu software2an (pc suite), just a bluetooth koneksi di laptop yg support PAN.., setelah di pair, klik connect (di icon Bluetooth)... jreng, langsung nyambung..., kalau BB buat modem agak ribet setting awalnya. JT -Original Message- From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com mailto:obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com mailto:obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of vnnfortuna...@rocketmail.com mailto:vnnfortunatus%40rocketmail.com Sent: 31 Januari 2009 12:28 To: Obrolan bandar Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] OOT : BB Bold u/ high speed modem Aduh.. Mendingan boldnya buat gw... Heheheee... Sayng mas dijadiin modem, cepet jebol... -Original Message- From: karno@gmail.com mailto:karno.edy%40gmail.com Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 04:43:09 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com mailto:obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [obrolan-bandar] OOT : BB Bold u/ high speed modem Ada yg udah berhasil menjadikan BBold sbg high speed modem diconect ke pc/laptop ?, tolong dishare. Khan lumayan kalo bisa browsing 3G/HSDPA dgn bold. Ga usah beli modem flash/broom. Ane sudah berhasil connect internet dgn laptop ane pake kabel data dgn BB Bold. Tapi speednya suck Sent from my BlackBerryR powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 /
Re: [obrolan-bandar] OOT NOKIA E90
Pak JT, tidak hanya Technicalist tapi juga Gadget-mania juga. Kenapa tertarik sama Javelin Pak? Harganya sudah hampir sama sama Bold. Saya juga baru langganan IPOT BB, menurut Pak JT, IM2 yg paling lancar ya? Rencana mau punya BB yg specialist Trading via IPOT, lagi naksir Javelin juga. Cuma belum 3G. Kalau ada yg sudah pakai Javelin untuk trading pakai IPOT, tolong share reviewnya, tks. Powered by Telkomsel BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: JT jsxtra...@yahoo.com Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 21:28:14 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] OOT NOKIA E90 APN isi indosatm2, user pswd sesuai dgn punya anda.., that's all. Trus kalau mau jadi'in modem, tinggal colok ke notebook atau pake bluetooth, tapi mesti ada settingannya dulu di notebook, prosedurnya saya lupa, bisa dilihat kok di webnya BB.., nah jadi ngga perlu bawa-bawa modem, all you need is a Bluetooth connection di laptop.. JT -Original Message- From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of indeksbei3...@gmail.com Sent: 30 Januari 2009 21:15 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] OOT NOKIA E90 Wah.. Caranya gmana tuh? Sy ga connect2 IPOT nya. Apa perlu setting APN lg? Please share .. Ane ga perlu BIS, yg penting bisa IPOT sm Browsing. Sayang nih, sdh langganan IM2 unlimited setahun Sent from my BlackBerryR smartphone from Sinyal Bagus XL, Nyambung Teruuusss...! + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:obrolan-bandar-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:obrolan-bandar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: obrolan-bandar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[obrolan-bandar] Warren Buffett on Obama, stocks and the economy
Saya quote phrase terakhir ucapan Warren Buffet: “So clearly it’s a better time to be buying stocks than a couple of years ago. Is it better than tomorrow? I have no idea... But the real question is did I get my money’s worth when I bought it?” Any comment? --- Warren Buffett feels Barack Obama’s understanding of economics, intelligence and rational thinking makes him the right man for the job of getting the U.S. economy out of the serious trouble it has found itself in, but warns that there won’t be any magical “Superman-type” transformation in the next three or six months. “So you’ve got the right person in the operating room, but it doesn’t mean the patient is going to leave the hospital tomorrow,” the billionaire investor said in an interview airing Thursday on PBS’s Nightly Business Report as part of the program’s 30th anniversary. Mr. Buffett served as an economic advisor to Obama during his campaign, warning him about how terrible things were getting. However, he really isn’t an advisor anymore and says his advice isn’t needed given the talented team the President has put together. Nonetheless, the Oracle of Omaha says he is available anytime. “We’ve had to get the credit system partially fixed in order for the economy to have a chance of starting to turn around. But there’s no magic bullet on this. They’re going to throw everything from the government they can in,” Mr. Buffett said, adding that while the credit situation is improving and the corporate debt market has loosened up in the past month, the rate of business descent is alarming. “Peoples’ buying habits have changed. Fear has taken over and fear is a tough thing to fight because you can’t go on television and say don’t be afraid, that doesn’t work,” he said. The chairman and CEO of holding company Berkshire Hathaway Inc. acknowledged that nobody knows how long the recession will last or whether fiscal stimulus and tax cuts will work, but stressed that just like when fighting a fire, you use every weapon available. Mr. Buffett also feels that we are always creating new problems and multi-trillion dollar deficits have the potential to produce significant inflationary consequences. “I mean you are giving a medicine dosage to the patient on a scale that we haven’t seen in this country,” he said. “And there will be after effects and they can’t be predicted exactly.” In terms of regulation, Mr. Buffett said some rules are probably needed, but they likely couldn’t have stopped the housing bubble. And what about buying stocks? While unwilling to recommend anything specific, he said his “greed quotient” has risen as stocks have fallen and there are a lot more things selling at sensible prices now than they were two years ago. Jonathan Ratner Reuters, 23 January 2009 Powered by Telkomsel BlackBerry® + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:obrolan-bandar-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:obrolan-bandar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: obrolan-bandar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: Bls: [obrolan-bandar] (unknown)
Aktualnya harus dibagi 8 lagi supaya byte - bit. Powered by Telkomsel BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: David Hartanto adharta...@yahoo.co.id Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 17:13:01 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Bls: [obrolan-bandar] (unknown) Opps sorry, he..he..he..maklum gaptek. Diketawain Pak JT dah ane. Walah bikin sedih setelah dicek lagi ternyata uploadnya cuma 200 kb/s download 350 kb/s. --- Pada Sel, 20/1/09, y_dizz y_d...@mail2web.com menulis: Dari: y_dizz y_d...@mail2web.com Topik: Re: Bls: [obrolan-bandar] (unknown) Kepada: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Tanggal: Selasa, 20 Januari, 2009, 3:44 PM 54 Mbps itu speed LAN Pak, yang dipakai untuk koneksi modemnya. Kalo koneksi Speedy sendiri paling pol 1 Mbps, itupun jarang banget dapet angka segitu. Sekarang Speedy kalo buat buka website luar agak lambat, nggak sekencang dulu. Tapi masih reliable lah, kalo IM2 sih itu memang kebangetan. Regards, Yudizz --- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com, David Hartanto adhartanto@ ... wrote: Kalo Speedy diJakarta Pusat (Gajah Mada), masih lumayan (54 Mbps), barusan dari daerah Jakarta Barat (Puri) Fastnet juga ok, padahal cuma paket yang 139rb. Di Selatan banyak keambil bandwithnya oleh daerah Thamrin, Sudirman kali Bos. Dah tek tok berapa kali hari ini, Pak JT? --- Pada Sel, 20/1/09, jsxtrader jsxtra...@. .. menulis: Dari: jsxtrader jsxtra...@. .. Topik: Re: Bls: [obrolan-bandar] (unknown) Kepada: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Tanggal: Selasa, 20 Januari, 2009, 3:10 PM sorry Pak, saya lagi dikantor, dan pake koneksi IM2 yg lueeeleeet banget... (dulu the best).., jadi ngga bisa buka MS realtime.., utk support BMRI sekitar 1890'an.., antm smgr saya lupa..., ntar deh saya cek.. BTW, IM2 belakangan ini jelek amat ya, cuma dapet sekitar 300kbps..., speedy juga begitu, yg lain mengalami hal yg sama ngga? apa cuma di daerah saya aja? (kebayoran baru) JT --- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com, Alexander Halim alex_xander7289@ ... wrote: klo seblm join milis ini, gw andalin info tmn yg udah join milis ob ini, biasa gw beli shm paling cepat dijual dlm bbrp mggu an,,ga daytrade gt dx,,antm, tlkm, bmri, smgr level supportnya diangka brp yah boss JT?? thx Lebih bergaul dan terhubung dengan lebih baik. Tambah lebih banyak teman ke Yahoo! Messenger sekarang! http://id.messenger .yahoo.com/ invite/ Kenapa BBM mesti naik? Apakah tidak ada solusi selain itu? Temukan jawabannya di Yahoo! Answers! http://id.answers. yahoo.com Mencari semua teman di Yahoo! Messenger? Undang teman dari Hotmail, Gmail ke Yahoo! Messenger dengan mudah sekarang! http://id.messenger.yahoo.com/invite/
Re: OOT - Re: Bls: [obrolan-bandar] (unknown)
Pak Rei sering ke Jepang ya? Di Tokyo ya? Bisnis apa pak? Kalau tidak keberatan untuk berbagi info bisnis yg bagus di Jepang, supaya kami bisa tambah modal di saham. Powered by Telkomsel BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: Rei highwaysta...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 21:42:27 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OOT - Re: Bls: [obrolan-bandar] (unknown) Betul, memang sulit diterapkan tapi kalo kita berkunjung ke Jepang (contoh awal) luar biasa...contohnya saja (terkahir kali sblm kita sudahi topik ini, ntar dimarahin yg lain hehe), kita sering kali kalo belanja gak dikasih uang kembalian malah di sini pelayannya sering bilang uang pas aja pak atau kembalian kurang 50 perak, dst. Kalo pengalaman saya di sana (sdh berulang kali saya alami...) kembalian 4 Yen saja (itu sebetulnya gak bisa buat apa2 krn koin 1 yen gak ada artinya, tp kenapa masih ada ya?) saya dikejar2 krn saya tinggalkan gitu saja (maksudnya gak mau ambil), dia kejar2 saya utk kembalikan 4 yen-nya. Contoh satu lagi, saya mau naik bus dan mau bayar tiket buat anak saya juga krn dia sdh bisa duduk sendiri, eh malah dikasih gratis...katanya ngak perlu bayar krn bisa ikut (dipangku) ortunya. Nah lho, kita suka rela mau bayar malah gak dikasih bayar? hehe Yah gitu saja, kita masih mesti belajar banyak. Saya makan di restoran di sini, makanan pesanan saya asin setengah mati, malah pelayannya bengang bengong dan mesem2 doang kagak bilang apa2 waktu saya complain keasinan. Akhirnya dibuang deh tuh daging...ampun deh. Pelayannya aja minta maaf aja nggak. Bosnya gimana tuh? 2009/1/20 David Hartanto adharta...@yahoo.co.id Se7 banget Pak Rei, kuncinya bagi bisnis owner adalah keinginan dan keseriusan untuk mau mengeluarkan biaya untuk SDM dan IT. Karena untuk perusahaan yang sifatnya jasa yah dua hal itu yang harus benar2 diperhatikan. Contoh yang paling nyata adalah BCA, Bank BUMN coba aja bandingkan jaman dulu dan sekarang, at least sekarang he..he..he.. Customer Servicenya sudah lebih rapi, seger dan murah senyum. Yang paling menonjol dan bisa langsung kita rasakan adalah dari mau masuk pintu aja Satpamnya sudah bisa ucapkan selamat pagi, dibukakan pintu dan mengerti untuk mengarahkan nasabahnya sesuai dengan kebutuhannya. Memang sih untuk bisa satisfy setiap orang hampir tidak mungkin, why? Karena terlalu banyak ragamnya dan adanya batasan yang tidak mungkin untuk dilanggar demi terciptanya Customer Satisfaction. --- Pada *Sel, 20/1/09, JT jsxtra...@yahoo.com* menulis: Dari: JT jsxtra...@yahoo.com Topik: RE: OOT - Re: Bls: [obrolan-bandar] (unknown) Kepada: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Tanggal: Selasa, 20 Januari, 2009, 7:47 PM Yes Sir.., masih sebatas teori aja.., kalaupun sdh mulai diterapkan, masih standart-standart aja, itupun belum banyak yg melakukannya, padahal sekarang ini 'satisfy' udah ngga cukup.., tapi harus 'extremely satisfy' .., memang betul seperti Pak Meizal bilang bahwa ukuran satisfy buat orang beda-beda, nah tantangannya sekarang memang 'one on one' dan 'tailor made' for every customer/group…, tapi ini sulit lah buat perusahaan gede.., kalau perusahaan kecil masih sangat bisa melakukannya…, well, tapi buat kita, ngga usah yg 'dalem-dalem' dulu lah, yg standart-standart aja kalau bisa dilakukan sdh bagus... To Pak Meizal; buku ttg CS sangat banyak Pak, one of my favorite, yg saya baca berulang-ulang, Hug Your Customers…, JT *From:* obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:obrolan- ban...@yahoogrou ps.com] *On Behalf Of *Rei *Sent:* 20 Januari 2009 18:38 *To:* obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com *Subject:* Re: OOT - Re: Bls: [obrolan-bandar] (unknown) Ini yang selalu saya ributkan pak JT...di sini menurut pengalaman saya pribadi konsep CS hanya sebatas hiasan di mulut dimana para bisnis hanya terfokus utk mencari profit belaka dgn embel2 CS...bahkan saya pernah berbisnis dgn salah 1 pakar Customer Satisfaction dan nyatanya? Hanya jualan teori saja krn dia tdk mempraktekan apa yg diumbar2 selama ini ke saya (sbg customer dia). Mau tahu real CS? coba lihat di Jepang sana... 2009/1/20 jsxtrader jsxtra...@yahoo. com jsxtra...@yahoo.com kebetulan saya juga mempelajari Consumer Satisfaction. ., memang di Indonesia ini urusan kepuasan pelanggan ini belum digarap dgn baik, padahal salah satu element penting dalam kesuksesan suatu bisnis, terutama dibidang jasa, ya CS.., semua orang tau betapa pentingnya CS tapi ya masih sebatas tau aja, ngga serius menggarapnya. .., contohnya sdh terlalu banyak, hampir setiap hari kita temui. Ngomong2 soal CS, Ada satu buku lama, kalau ngga salah judulnya Hug Your Customer, sangat bagus menarik untuk dibaca, saya rekomen utk temen-temen yg punya bisnis jasa utk baca buku tsb..., trust me it, kalau anda praktekan, konsumen anda akan semakin loyal. JT --- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, Dewi Mulyani Marselo dewi.marselo@ ... wrote:
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Sabtu-Minggu Milis OB Rame Bgt..
Ada kemungkinan supply premium tersendat kalau ledakan/kebakaran dahsyat. Bagi yg pakai pertamina, ada baiknya isi tanki full, just in case, kecuali pakai shxxl. Barang langka, sayang harga nggak bisa naik, karena subsidy. Kalau harga naik, coal bisa ikut naik. Jadi, buy BUMI. Lho, kok nggak nyambung. Powered by Telkomsel BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: cipto_jh cipto...@yahoo.com Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 16:22:28 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Sabtu-Minggu Milis OB Rame Bgt.. Walah.. saya malah blum tahu/baca beritanya pak, baru nyampai rumah tadi-an.. Tapi kek-nya faktor2 semisal itu, ndak terlalu 'dong' gtu ya ke market, kecuali klu berita 'depo'-nya Iran yg kebakaran itupun plus tambahan berita: karena di 'hit' ama musuh bebuyutannya hehehe.. *canda pak* --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, riva darwito rivadarw...@... wrote: saat ini lagi ada kebakaran hebat di depo pertamina plumpang jakarta utara. apakah hal ini akan mempengaruhi kondisi market esok ? rgrds, Riva To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com From: cipto...@... Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 15:54:52 + Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Sabtu-Minggu Milis OB Rame Bgt.. Baru selesai baca2 postingan, se-jam-an lebih, wuakeh tenan, emang susee klu udah OB addicted, sampai lupa weekend-an, asal jangan lupa pacar (buat yg bujangan) ama lupa keluarga (u/ yg dah merit) ajah hehehe.. Met istirahat semua-nya.. siap2 buat besok.. jaga 'stamina' biar tetep SEMANGAT.. :P Salam _ Manage multiple email accounts with Windows Live Mail effortlessly. http://www.get.live.com/wl/all + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:obrolan-bandar-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:obrolan-bandar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: obrolan-bandar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [obrolan-bandar] BUMI: Technical Analysis Challenge....Re: Ampun tobat, semua milis isinya bumi..
Mbah, Senin scenarionya bagaimana? AR kanan lagi ke menuju 1000 dulu atau RTB (return to base) balik ke 385an (AR kiri 3x) lagi? Mohon sharing penerawangannya. Rgds Powered by Telkomsel BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 09:07:43 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [obrolan-bandar] BUMI: Technical Analysis ChallengeRe: Ampun tobat, semua milis isinya bumi.. Sayembara Support BUMI berakhir HAPPY ENDING... - Dari 385 ampe 510 - Dari AR KIRI ampe AR KANAN - dari -10% ampe +20% - TOTAL GAIN +30% sehari... Happy CUAN to all of you Guys, especially yg sudah IKUT sayembara. Tapi semua juga seharusnya HAPPY karena angka Support BUMI yang dikemukan PESERTA termasuk TINNGI2, tidak ada yg GOCAP. Ini memberikan SEMANGAT buat BD2 untuk membuat BUMI AR kanan hari ini... What a HAPPY DAY for embah to see you ALL HAPPY... --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, jsx_consultant jsx- consult...@... wrote: Embah arahin soal BUMI ini kearah yg lebih konstruktif: - Ada engga yg sanggup ngitung SUPPORT BUMI dilevel berapa ?. - Angka Support harus disertai gambar dan alasan tehnicalnya. - Pemenang adalah orang yg berhasil memberikan angka Support dimana harga BUMI at least pernah mendekat minimal plus minus 2% dari angka Support dan harga BUMI kemudian berhasil naik dari LOWnya minimal 10%. - Angka Support harus masuk milis OB sebelum jam 9:30 WIB dimilis OB besok tgl 16/01/2008. Hadiah: - Sebuah Mercy yg akan disediakan ama ibu Fify atau minimal jalan jalan ama ibu Fify. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Dean Earwicker dean.earwicker@ wrote: Serius, gimana mau naik kalo dijelek-jelekin terus. Coba ngomong yang bagus-bagus, di puji-puji, bilang aja bravo, atau apalah, pokonya semua rayuan gombal keluarin aja, boong juga gpp. Nanti pasti dikutip di koran dan media, biar manajemennya baca terus ge'er sendiri dan pro retail. Asing pun berani beli lagi. Ntar kalo udah naik banyak, baru kita rame-rame jualan diatas. Gimana seh.. pake trik donk.. Regards, DE + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:obrolan-bandar-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:obrolan-bandar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: obrolan-bandar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Take a break with NACHOS
Have you tried Hard Rock Cafe's Nachos, Elaine? Opine it is the best in town. Melted cheese nicely blended with crispy chips with some hot paprica poured on top. So yummy, I like it. Powered by Telkomsel BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 23:07:09 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Take a break with NACHOS *We were watching ever-changing numbers after numbers for five days in a row. Take a break. Nachos anyone? [?] Ingredients: 1 1/2 tbsp. butter 1 tbsp. corn starch 1/2 cup milk 1 oz. cream cheese, cubed 1 cup sharp cheddar cheese, shredded 1/8 cup monterey jack, shredded 1/2 tsp. chili powder 1/4 tsp. paprika Directions: In a small saucepan over low-medium heat, melt butter and stir in corn starch. Pour in the milk, add cream cheese, and continue to stir until mixture is fully incorporated. While stirring mix in cheddar and jack cheeses, chili powder, paprika, and hot pepper sauce. Continue to stir until cheese has melted and all ingredients are well blended. Pour over tortilla chips. * * Enjoy. Elaine*
Re: [obrolan-bandar] (Baru diomongin JT sdh mau AR) Re: Klbf
Ikut paket unlimited atau bayar gprs lagi Pak? Powered by Telkomsel BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: JsxTrader jsxtra...@yahoo.com Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 08:12:06 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] (Baru diomongin JT sdh mau AR) Re: Klbf Pake ipot BB, lumayan ok Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT -Original Message- From: Margareth Renata lightsaber@gmail.com Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 08:06:07 To: OBobrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] (Baru diomongin JT sdh mau AR) Re: Klbf Lihat running trade-nya pake apa Pak JT? Retha Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT -Original Message- From: JsxTrader jsxtra...@yahoo.com Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 07:53:16 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] (Baru diomongin JT sdh mau AR) Re: Klbf Saya ngga liat chart, cuma liat running trade di BB, rasanya sih vol cukup ok.., saya td sesi 1 iseng msk 440, sell done 480, lagi nongkrong lagi di 45O... Tunggu gebukan Hehe.., asik juga nih nyipet pake BB Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT -Original Message- From: ruzli indeksbei3...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 14:37:08 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [obrolan-bandar] (Baru diomongin JT sdh mau AR) Re: Klbf Boleh dikejar ? 2009/1/9 JsxTrader jsxtra...@yahoo.com Kelihatannya Breakout dari fase akumulasi, kita tunggu volumenya, mdh2an masuk fase mark up.., cermati. Sent from my BlackBerry(R) powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT -- *From*: JsxTrader *Date*: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 06:56:11 + *To*: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com *Subject*: Re: [obrolan-bandar] LK Q4 - The Next Tsunami Ngga, cuma monitor aja pake BB, lagi ngga konsen jd ngga berani ambil posisi dulu.. Sent from my BlackBerry(R) powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT -- *From*: anru dadaq *Date*: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 14:49:35 +0800 *To*: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com *Subject*: Re: [obrolan-bandar] LK Q4 - The Next Tsunami Pa JT, kemarin ga main PGAS? gaya mainnya mirip sekali. dari awal, 1950 1970 kalau bukan, berarti ada duplikasinya :) 2009/1/9 JsxTrader jsxtra...@yahoo.com Insya Allah next week dah bisa ikut nyopet lagi..., hehe Sent from my BlackBerry(R) powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT -- *From*: ruzli *Date*: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 13:40:42 +0700 *To*: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com *Subject*: Re: [obrolan-bandar] LK Q4 - The Next Tsunami Welcome Back Boss Ready to Ride ? Regards 2009/1/9 JsxTrader jsxtra...@yahoo.com Kita tunggu reversal.., I'll jump in at the first clue... --Original Message-- From: Bandar Junior Sender: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com ReplyTo: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Jan 9, 2009 12:53 Subject: [obrolan-bandar] LK Q4 - The Next Tsunami Bentar lagi Q4 muncul Kira2 BEJO ketawa atau nangis ya? Ayo para bull waria, masih BUY kah? Kalau miss (or mrs?)Elaine bilang sih BUY BUY BUY, kok sekarang jadi no comment miss? lagi atit gigi ya? + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links Sent from my BlackBerry(R) powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [obrolan-bandar] (Baru diomongin JT sdh mau AR) Re: Klbf
Sepengetahuan saya, APN kosong berarti pakai BB. Ada juga yg sarankan untuk diisi dengan blackberry.net supaya program tertentu tidak nyelonong pakai APN operator. Kalau diisi dengan APN operator, tentunya kena beban GPRS. Ada yg bisa tambah penjelasan? Powered by Telkomsel BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: JsxTrader jsxtra...@yahoo.com Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 08:21:35 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] (Baru diomongin JT sdh mau AR) Re: Klbf Paket yg 250 mb dari isat.., btw saya coba di bold, TCP dikosongin tetep jalan, providernya XL, saya ngga tau apakah itu artinya pake apn BB atau bukan, yg pasti TCP kosong, tapi kalau pake 8707v ngga bisa, TCP harus diisi apn provider baru jalan.. Logikanya kalau pake apn BB bisa jalan, kita ngga kena chrge gprs lagi.., ada yg bisa kasih info?? Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT -Original Message- From: yuta.tizi...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 08:15:10 To: Obrolan Bandarobrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] (Baru diomongin JT sdh mau AR) Re: Klbf Ikut paket unlimited atau bayar gprs lagi Pak? Powered by Telkomsel BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: JsxTrader jsxtra...@yahoo.com Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 08:12:06 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] (Baru diomongin JT sdh mau AR) Re: Klbf Pake ipot BB, lumayan ok Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT -Original Message- From: Margareth Renata lightsaber@gmail.com Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 08:06:07 To: OBobrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] (Baru diomongin JT sdh mau AR) Re: Klbf Lihat running trade-nya pake apa Pak JT? Retha Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT -Original Message- From: JsxTrader jsxtra...@yahoo.com Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 07:53:16 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] (Baru diomongin JT sdh mau AR) Re: Klbf Saya ngga liat chart, cuma liat running trade di BB, rasanya sih vol cukup ok.., saya td sesi 1 iseng msk 440, sell done 480, lagi nongkrong lagi di 45O... Tunggu gebukan Hehe.., asik juga nih nyipet pake BB Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT -Original Message- From: ruzli indeksbei3...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 14:37:08 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [obrolan-bandar] (Baru diomongin JT sdh mau AR) Re: Klbf Boleh dikejar ? 2009/1/9 JsxTrader jsxtra...@yahoo.com Kelihatannya Breakout dari fase akumulasi, kita tunggu volumenya, mdh2an masuk fase mark up.., cermati. Sent from my BlackBerry(R) powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT -- *From*: JsxTrader *Date*: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 06:56:11 + *To*: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com *Subject*: Re: [obrolan-bandar] LK Q4 - The Next Tsunami Ngga, cuma monitor aja pake BB, lagi ngga konsen jd ngga berani ambil posisi dulu.. Sent from my BlackBerry(R) powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT -- *From*: anru dadaq *Date*: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 14:49:35 +0800 *To*: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com *Subject*: Re: [obrolan-bandar] LK Q4 - The Next Tsunami Pa JT, kemarin ga main PGAS? gaya mainnya mirip sekali. dari awal, 1950 1970 kalau bukan, berarti ada duplikasinya :) 2009/1/9 JsxTrader jsxtra...@yahoo.com Insya Allah next week dah bisa ikut nyopet lagi..., hehe Sent from my BlackBerry(R) powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT -- *From*: ruzli *Date*: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 13:40:42 +0700 *To*: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com *Subject*: Re: [obrolan-bandar] LK Q4 - The Next Tsunami Welcome Back Boss Ready to Ride ? Regards 2009/1/9 JsxTrader jsxtra...@yahoo.com Kita tunggu reversal.., I'll jump in at the first clue... --Original Message-- From: Bandar Junior Sender: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com ReplyTo: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Jan 9, 2009 12:53 Subject: [obrolan-bandar] LK Q4 - The Next Tsunami Bentar lagi Q4 muncul Kira2 BEJO ketawa atau nangis ya? Ayo para bull waria, masih BUY kah? Kalau miss (or mrs?)Elaine bilang sih BUY BUY BUY, kok sekarang jadi no comment miss? lagi atit gigi ya? + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links Sent from my BlackBerry(R) powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: Balasan: [obrolan-bandar] Sell ANTM INCO ??
Kalau emang turun, kesempatan untuk ave down bagi yg sudah punya di harga tinggi. Powered by Telkomsel BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: denni denni deny_jaka...@yahoo.com Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 06:28:06 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Balasan: [obrolan-bandar] Sell ANTM INCO ?? kalo yg ambil di bawah ya pasang trailing utk secure profit utk yg ambil di atas pasang CL disiplin... utk yg belum ambil ya sabar hehehe Halim Mintareja hmin...@gmail.com wrote:cumman copy paste dari bloomberg aja Sell Copper, Nickel Before Index Rebalancing Ends: Chart of Day http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109sid=asfEs1P.OB3crefer=home - Selalu bersama teman-teman di Yahoo! Messenger Tambahkan mereka dari email atau jaringan sosial Anda sekarang!
Re: IPOT BB - Re: [obrolan-bandar] (Baru diomongin JT sdh mau AR) Re: Klbf
Saya pakai OS versi .214 (download dan upgrade sendiri), sekarang jadi lumayan cepat dan battery tahan lama dibanding versi .1xx. Tapi kalau lihat running trade IPOT terus, battery bisa tahan berapa lama? Apakah bisa seharian? By the way, ada nggak ya software yg bisa check/monitor harga saham (live/delay) secara terus menerus tapi pakai APN BB (supaya nggak bayar lagi)? Sekarang saya cuma bisa pakai Yahoo!Go versi 3.0, bisa check Ticker price tapi harus refresh dulu setiap mau check update price. Mohon sharing. Powered by Telkomsel BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: Arief Josep Chandra arij...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 18:18:48 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IPOT BB - Re: [obrolan-bandar] (Baru diomongin JT sdh mau AR) Re: Klbf Tergantung dari versi OS nya juga sih. Saya pake 8820 waktu versi .072 masih bisa konek walau TCP kosong. Setelah upgrade OS ke versi .110 dan .124, harus diisi dulu APN nya baru bisa konek. Versi ipot yg digunakan juga 3.2.6.1 Mungkin beda versi OS ada perubahan setting dasar. Rgrds, Arief Sent from my XL-HuronBerry® -Original Message- From: JsxTrader jsxtra...@yahoo.com Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 09:03:21 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: IPOT BB - Re: [obrolan-bandar] (Baru diomongin JT sdh mau AR) Re: Klbf Yes Sir, TCP ngga diisi apa2 tapi bisa jalan.., nih saya lagi coba lagi.., aneh juga sih, karena kalau di BB Jadul saya (8707V) ngga mau.., OS BB Bold saya V.4.6.0.162 (platform 4.0.0.155), provider-nya XL.., IPOT versi 3.2.6.1 Salam, JT From: | d r e a m | mimpi.sa...@gmail.com To: Milis OB obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 9, 2009 11:00:41 PM Subject: Re: IPOT BB - Re: [obrolan-bandar] (Baru diomongin JT sdh mau AR) Re: Klbf Kalau TCP dan APN Operatornya di kosongin dan IPOT bisa jalanbos JT beruntung banget. AFAIK, IPOT pakai APN Operator jadi tentunya harus diisi. Kalau ada extra biaya atau tidak itu tergantung dengan paket BIS yang kita ambil, misalnya ISAT (Matrix) langganan BIS 190.000 (sebelum ppn) terdiri dari 140 rb utk apn BlackBerry™ which is unlimited dan 50rb untuk APN Operator untuk 50 MB pertama. Bos JT pakai OS berapa untuk Boldnya? Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT From: JsxTrader Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 07:36:54 -0800 (PST) To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: IPOT BB - Re: [obrolan-bandar] (Baru diomongin JT sdh mau AR) Re: Klbf saya punya yg 8707v (3G) juga sering putus2, tapi setelah setting network di set utk 2G only, jauh lebih lancar. Kalau di BOLD, belum banyak tes, baru coba sebentar aja.., herannya kalau di BOLD, TCP ngga diisi tetap bisa jalan..., penasaran juga kalau begitu si IPOT pake APN siapa ya, tadi sih ada yg bilang bisa otomatis switch ke apn provider.., nanti lah saya tes, kalau dikosongin gitu motong pulsa apa ngga. Salam, JT From: anru dadaq anru.s...@gmail. com To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Friday, January 9, 2009 7:09:47 PM Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] (Baru diomongin JT sdh mau AR) Re: Klbf Ya. Punya saya jg. Saya masih trial bb ipot.. Tp sering putus. Kalau terima call. Susah nyambung lagi. Apa ada tips khusus? On 1/9/09, rudyho rdy...@yahoo. com wrote: Kalo pake ISAT, TCP ndak diisi apn indosatgprs ndak mau jalan pak... H Ato punya saya yg ndeso ya... hehehhehe Sent from my BlackBerry(R) powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT -Original Message- From: M. Irwan Santoso ankz.ir...@gmail. com Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 15:27:45 To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] (Baru diomongin JT sdh mau AR) Re: Klbf cuman mo sharing, setau saya kalau applikasi yang streaming, selalu pakai APN operator pak. karena untuk APN BB sepengetahuan saya tidak diperbolehkan streaming. seperti m.youtube.com juga tidak bisa pakai APN BB untuk TCP kosong, berarti provider akan switch otomatis APN mana yang dipakai. sedangkan kalau kita isi APN blackberry.net, setiap applikasi yang streaming dijamin tidak bisa jalan. karena kita paksa lwt APN blackberry.net oleh karena itu untuk aplikasi stock yang relatif datanya konsisten seperti istock indosat, marketfilter, IPOT, APN harus dikosongkan atau diisi APN operator. On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 3:21 PM, JsxTrader jsxtra...@yahoo. com wrote: Paket yg 250 mb dari isat.., btw saya coba di bold, TCP dikosongin tetep jalan, providernya XL, saya ngga tau apakah itu artinya pake apn BB atau bukan, yg pasti TCP kosong, tapi kalau pake 8707v ngga bisa, TCP harus diisi apn provider baru jalan.. Logikanya kalau pake apn BB bisa jalan, kita ngga kena chrge gprs lagi.., ada yg bisa kasih info?? Sent from my BlackBerry(R) powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT From: yuta.tiziano@ gmail.com Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 08:15:10 + To: Obrolan Bandarobrolan-bandar@
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: BUMI TP 6.000 FW: BNIS BREAKING NEWS OF BUMI--- U/ 10 LEMBAR SAHAM
Rumornya memang ada beberapa institusi asing yg mau ambil dibawah, sebelum digoreng naik. Bagi yg tidak tahan, sebaiknya cut loss. Disclaimer Powered by Telkomsel BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: D0N Qicot o5ana_indone...@yahoo.com Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 21:05:33 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: BUMI TP 6.000 FW: BNIS BREAKING NEWS OF BUMI--- U/ 10 LEMBAR SAHAM tenang..tenang... namanya saham gorengan, BUMI kalo di AR kiri terus artinya emang ada penumpang yg ketinggalan (belon diangkut) liat aja SULI, berhari hari di jedotin kiri terus...hari ini mungkin jedot kanan tunggu aja 580 - 640boleh dech hajar kanan, itu saham emang BxxxSxT. :D --- On Thu, 1/8/09, edward edward_sa...@yahoo.com.au wrote: From: edward edward_sa...@yahoo.com.au Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: BUMI TP 6.000 FW: BNIS BREAKING NEWS OF BUMI--- U/ 10 LEMBAR SAHAM To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, January 8, 2009, 9:23 AM MAKSUDNYA 6000 U/ 10 LEMBAR SAHAM ,,, MAKANYA BACA LAGI YG BENAR --- HA..HA..HA - Original Message - From: y_dizz To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 8:54 AM Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: BUMI TP 6.000 FW: BNIS BREAKING NEWS OF BUMI Memang sih menambah nilai aset, tapi proses akuisisi kaya gini kan jelas menyedot laba bersih. Kalo kaya gini mah yang untung BUMI, bayar pajaknya makin kecil. Lha kita yang pegang saham yg bongkok, deviden-nya mau dibayar pake apa? Pake kolornya Bakrie? --- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com, Gambler.BEJ gambler.bej@ ... wrote: Karena yg dianalisa adalah fundamentalnya pak, jadi tidak salah. Tapi kan selalu ada faktor lain yg bisa mempengaruhi, bandar, kredibilitas management, sentimen pasar, harga produk yg dijual, dll. Bumi kalau menurut saya secara perhitungan fundamental - produk malah harga segitu masih kemurahan, tapi kalau dilihat faktor2 lainnya, Rp 50 pun saya masih mikir berulang2 kali untuk beli. CAnya terlalu 'hebat', bisa2 ada rencana menjual aset2 berharganya macam KPC dan Arutmin atau dilepas utk nutup utang, nah kalau yg macam ini terjadi BUMI di harga Rp 50 pun masih kemahalan. CA BUMI yg terakhir utk mengakusisi DEWA (5x harga pasar) dan Fajar Bumi apakah akan menambah nilai BUMI ataukah malah merugikan BUMI ada yg bisa bagi info dan pendapat? quote: *Jakarta* - Akuisisi yang dilakukan PT Bumi Resources Tbk (BUMI) terhadap dua perusahaan tambang yakni PT Darma Henwa Tbk (DEWA) dan PT Fajar Bumi Sakt dinilai akan makin meningkatkan beban perseroan. Meski begitu akuisisi ini dapat memberikan nilai tambah terhadap aset BUMI. Analis Danareksa Sekuritas Felicia Barus seperti dikutip dari riset Danareksa, Rabu (7/1/2008) memperkirakan bahwa akusisi yang bersamaan dengan pembelian saham DEWA, dapat meningkatkan jumlah utang BUMI. Akan tetapi, akuisisi ini dapat memberikan nilai tambah terhadap aset BUMI sebesar Rp48/saham. Bumi membeli 76,9% saham saham perusahaan PT Fajar Bumi Sakti senilai Rp 2,47 triliun. Bumi juga melakukan pembelian secara tidak langsung saham DEWA sebesar 43,6% senilai Rp 2,4 triliun. *Berikut analisa Danareksa terhadap pembelian akuisisi BUMI.* * Transaksi beli BUMI terhadap DEWA di Rp354/saham terlalu mahal * Harga beli sekitar 5x dari harga pasar saat ini * Harga beli mengimplikasikan PE 09F sebesar 27x, lebih tinggi dari PE 09F BUMI yang hanya 4,8x * Tidak mendatangkan keuntungan bagi pemegang saham minoritas * Transaksi beli Fajar Bumi menguntungkan * Menambah value sebanyak Rp48/saham, 5,6% dari harga BUMI saat ini yang sebesar Rp850/saham * Memberikan kontribuasi tambahan 7% ke pendapatan BUMI 09-10F . * Belum kami masukkan dalam perhitungan forecast saat ini *Dampak terhadap gearing* * Diperkirakan 09-10F net gearing akan mencapai 156-126% (sebelumnya adalah 131-74%). * Net gearing masih lebih rendah dari level historis tertinggi yaitu 268% di tahun 2006. * Interest coverage ratios 09-10F dipertahankan di 3-2x (2006 di 2,9x). *Kepemilikan saham BUMI di Fajar Bumi sebesar 75% melalui urutan anak usahanya.* 1. BUMI ---99%--- Bumi Resources Investment (Sales Purchase Agreemen)--- Ancara Properties Limited ---76,9%--- Leap Forward Finance ---98,5%--- Fajar Bumi Sakti. *Kepemilikan saham BUMI di Darma Henwa sebesar 43,6% melalui urutan anak usahanya. * 2. BUMI ---99%--- Bumi Resources Investment (Sales Purchase Agreemen)--- Goodrich Management Corp ---80%--- Zurich Asset Investment 55% PT Darma Henwa Tbk. sumber: http://www.detikfin ance.com/ read/2009/ 01/07/113631/ 1064359/6/ beban- bumi-naik-pasca- akuisisi- darma-henwa- dan-fajar- bumi
Re: [obrolan-bandar] BUMI - Skenario Yg Mana ?
Urutan sebab akibat. Sebab ada yg mau beli murah maka akibatnya di-excute beberapa plan untuk mark down the price. Tinggal tunggu the worst to come saja. Powered by Telkomsel BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 11:00:30 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] BUMI - Skenario Yg Mana ? *One for all, all for one. Elaine** * 2009/1/9 Jack Cowok jackcow...@yahoo.com Dilihat dari pergerakan BUMI yg tiba2 STROKE di iringi dengan berita berita gak karuan. Maka ada Skenario besar menyertainya. Yang mana? 1. Ada pihak yg mau membeli BUMI di harga murah. 2. Bid Offer di isi maksimal hari ini untuk menjatuhkan Mental. 3. Broker yg menjual besar besaran, lagi kesulitan likuiditas. 4. Cuci tangan dari kemungkinan yg berhubungan dengan kasus Sarijaya. Sebelum adanya pemeriksaan. Salam Jack
Re: BAPPEPAM and BEI ACT QUICK!! Re: [obrolan-bandar] Pengumuman idx soal sp
Turut prihatin. Sharing pengalaman saja, ada aset kantor yang jadi sitaan dan jadi barang bukti pxlxsi. Sorry to say, sudah hampir 2 tahun tidak bisa diapa-apakan. Sementara proses pengadilan tidak jelas arahnya. Mudah2an semua cepat selesai. Powered by Telkomsel BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: Johan b3tonspo...@yahoo.com Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 22:26:22 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: BAPPEPAM and BEI ACT QUICK!! Re: [obrolan-bandar] Pengumuman idx soal sp Gak bisa pak, aset sarijaya termasuk aset nasabah sudah di bekukan polisi atas permintaan bapepam dan bei, karena di dalam nya sudah ada unsur pidana yang melibatkan penggunaan dana nasabah, ini bukan suspend krn kesalahan broker biasa yang terjadi, udah pidana. --- Pada Sel, 6/1/09, Andy a...@qsix.com menulis: Dari: Andy a...@qsix.com Topik: RE: BAPPEPAM and BEI ACT QUICK!! Re: [obrolan-bandar] Pengumuman idx soal sp Kepada: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Tanggal: Selasa, 6 Januari, 2009, 7:13 AM bukannya bisa jual lewat telpon langsung ke salesnya. biasanya AB yg di suspend akan melakukan trading lewat AB lainnya, dan pembukuan dilakukan manual. kalo ini tidak bisa dilakukan, atau dalam hal ini mungkin TIDAK MAU dilakukan oleh pemilik SP (Keluarga R), artinya memang penyalahgunaan yg dilakukan sudah dalem bener, alias mungkin udah hilang tuh saham2 semua. -Original Message- From: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:obrolan- ban...@yahoogrou ps.com] On Behalf Of Johan Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 6:25 PM To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Subject: BAPPEPAM and BEI ACT QUICK!! Re: [obrolan-bandar] Pengumuman idx soal sp Mayoritas nasabah SP saya yakin adalah trader seperti saya yang bergabung karena ada olt. kalo saya investor yang hanya buy and hold udah saya gabung di broker plat merah aja.Yang terjadi hari ini adalah, bumi dan indf yang saya buy semalam sebelum di suspend, pagi2 sudah bisa take profit, karena di suspend, cm bisa liat indf ke puncak dan jatuh lagi tanpa bisa pasang trailing stop, dan lebih kesal hanya bisa liat gain di bumi berbalik menjadi loss dan tidak bisa melakukan CL 3% sesuai trading plan, paper loss dan potential loss ini sapa yang akan bertanggung jawab? Yang di perlukan nasabah/trader sekarang adalah, ACT SWIFTLY, secepatnya kembalikan hak nasabah yang mase ada, jika saham ada langsung balikin ke masing2 nasabah,Masa saya capek2 selama 2008 trading jagain porto saya, melototin monitor tiap jam bursa, susah payah udah berhasil keluar dari klub nyangkut, trus sekarang karena kesalahan dan kelemahan pengawasan saya ikutan di suspend dan tidak bisa trading, sementara pihak yang berwenang hanya mampu menjawab, belum tau, atau ini udah tanggung jawab kepolisian, bla bla bla kan tiap transaksi saya bayar pajak untuk apa pajak itu kalo cuma bisa dapat jawaban klasik tidak punya kejelasan dari yang nama nya badan pengawas pasar modal. Rasanya di hantam papa bear, di pentoeng pak oentoeng selama 2008 tidak ada apa apanya di banding keselnya hari ini cuma bisa nonton porto yang susah payah di jaga akhirnya jd rusak krn suspend gak jelas sampe kapan gini. Apa perlu ada ilmu baru yang di ajarkan di ob, sebelum menguasai ilmu memilih stock yang baek, seharusnya belajar dulu gimana milih sekuritas yang baek? BAPPEPAM and BEI ACT QUICK!! --- Pada Sel, 6/1/09, fuyi anip...@gmail. com menulis: Dari: fuyi anip...@gmail. com Topik: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Pengumuman idx soal sp Kepada: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Tanggal: Selasa, 6 Januari, 2009, 1:33 AM Berdasarkan pengalaman OBERS, kalau ada kasus seperti ini, apa yg harus kami lakukan (pemilik account)? dan apkh dana kita yang cash bisa dicairkan nggak? Aduh sedih banget... 2009/1/6, steve ivan steve_a...@yahoo. com: penyalahgunaan rekening efek nasabah bukan suatu tindakan yg terpuji... dan hebatnya ini dilakukan oleh perusahaan sekelas Sarijaya... sedih, kaget, skaligus kesel setengah mati... smoga orang yg bertanggung jawab atas kasus ini ditindak tegas! Mulai chatting dengan teman di Yahoo! Pingbox baru sekarang!! Membuat tempat chat pribadi di blog Anda sekarang sangatlah mudah Selalu bisa chat di profil jaringan, blog, atau situs web pribadi! Yahoo!
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: BUMI jadi pemegang saham pengendali DEWA
Kalau saya tebak, scenarionya seperti ini: 1. BUMI beli DEWA dan transfer beberapa coal mining (yg minor) dan besarkan aset DEWA 2. Harga premium, karena perhitungkan present price adalah discounted future value dengan pertimbangan no 1 tadi. Ditambah faktor interest karena pembayaran dicicil 3. BNBR akan ambil alih DEWA dari BUMI 4. Berikutnya kalau BNBR perlu hutang, cukup menjamin/menjual DEWA, tidak perlu otak/atik BUMI karena BNBR sudah tidak majority di BUMI 5. Tentunya dengan projection bahwa commodity terutama COAL masih sangat prospektif sekali ke depan Powered by Telkomsel BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: troyanese troyan...@yahoo.com Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 00:46:47 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: BUMI jadi pemegang saham pengendali DEWA Beberapa yang aneh : 1. Transaksi 3 Tr tidak material, sehingga tidak perlu RUPS disaat BUMI kesulitan likuiditas sehingga mau buy back aja hrs pake ngutang ? 2. Beli di harga 510 saat harga di pasar cuma Rp. 50 (jumlah offer cukup besar. 3. Belinya 3 Tr dan dah dibayar 492 M. Bukannya kemaren mau buy back BUMI diharga relatif rendah pake utangan dan sekarang malah mau beli perusahan lain di harga mahal dan sudah bayar pula 492 M. Kenapa 492 M nya gak buat buy back BUMI ? Jangan-jangan skenarionya memang mau menggembosi BUMI (merugikan publik dan tidak melalui RUPS, sebab kalo lewat RUPS publik hampir pasti gak setuju) dengan membeli saham milik pihak tertentu di DEWA dengan harga mahall sekaleee :D Kalo ini gak diusut oleh BAPEPAM, bisa jadi ntar BEI hanya tempat menggarong uang masyarakat. Kalo dah begini ya selamat tinggal deh BEI. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, d...@... wrote: Bingung.com nih sama group Bakrie... harga saham DEWA saat ini di posisi 50/saham, tekanan jual dipasar reguler belum reda..., terus BUMI yg mau beli dgn harga 510/saham (romornya stock yg dimiliki zurich milik keluarga AB:info kontan). kalau transaksinya begini bukannya investor BUMI yg dirugikan bukan? Menurut Direktur BUMI and Corporate Sec.: transaki tersebut tidak material, jadi tidak perlu ada RUPS di BUMI untuk ambil action beli DEWA padahal menurut saya besar sekali jumlah 3T yg digunakan itu...apalagi disaat krisis likuidtas saat iniaya'-aya' wae nih and bullshit banget.heheheh. untuk take over/akusisi seperti ini ada peran dan campur tangan bappepam engga ya? seperti waktu BUMI mau buyback pake utang dilarang oleh bappepam, ini keputusan yg wise dari Bappepam agar investor minoritas di BUMI tidak dirugikan. Kalau bener kejadian traksaksi ini,..jelas Mr. AB personal yg diuntungkan dan ini sudah penipuan dan kriminal-just my opini...tidak ada lagi transparansi dan due diligent atas transaksi yg material dalam ambil keputusan...tanpa adanya RUPS, menurut saya ini PENIPUAN...BAPPEPAM harus bertindak!!! mohon sharing dari senior, skenario apa yg lagi dimainkan AB and family, Thanks, D Berita di KONTAN BUMI menjadi pemegang saham pengendali DEWA melalui pembelian Zurich asset investment. Nilai pembelian sekitar 3.5 trilyun atau Rp. 510 per saham. Kenapa kemaren perusahaan-perusahaan group Bakrie rame-rame pada default dari utang yang nilainya puluhan milyar sampai trilyunan, tapi sekarang bisa belanja trilyunan dengan DP yang sudah dibayar senilai 492 milyar...aneh, jadi defaultnya emang disengaja yah... + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:obrolan-bandar-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:obrolan-bandar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: obrolan-bandar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[obrolan-bandar] CPRO - Snow Lion Beli 1,95 Miliar Saham CP Prima
Mungkin ini yg menyebabkan nilai transaksi CPRO melonjak akhir Des lalu, seperti pertanyaan Pak DE beberapa hari lalu. Bagaimana prospek CPRO kedepan, mohon sharing rekan2? Snow Lion Beli 1,95 Miliar Saham CP Prima Fri, 02 Jan 2009 21:13:00 TEMPO Interaktif, Jakarta:Snow Lion Investment Limited membeli 1,95 miliar lembar saham PT Central Proteinaprima Tbk. (CP Prima) Pembelian saham emiten berkode CPRO atas nama PT Pertiwi Indonesia tersebut dilakukan pada 24 Desember 2008. Sekretaris Perusahaan CP Prima Albert Sebastian menyatakan pengalihan tersebut akan merubah komposisi kepemilikan saham pada perseroan. Namun, pengalihan saham itu tidak mengakibatkan perubahan pemegang saham pengendali, kata Albert, dalam suratnya kepada Bursa Efek Indonesia (BEI), Jumat (2/1). Pada tanggal 19 Desember 2008, otoritas bursa sempat menghentikan sementara perdagangan (suspensi) hak memesan efek terlebih dahulu (HMETD) saham CP Prima sejak sesi pertama di seluruh pasar. Bursa menghentikan sementara perdagangan itu karena ingin mengklarifikasi informasi dari perseroan, terutama terkait HMETD itu. Ototritas bursa juga sempat mencermati pergerakan harga saham perusahaan pembudidayaan udang terintegrasi terbesar dunia ini akibat penurunan yang tidak wajar di awal Desember 2008. Berdasar data BEI, harga saham CP Prima melemah Rp 28 atau 29,1 persen dari level Rp 96 menjadi Rp 68 per lembar pada periode 3-28 November 2008. WAHYUDIN FAHMI Powered by Telkomsel BlackBerry®
Re: Bls: [obrolan-bandar] IPOT Blackberry
Kalau begitu, apa ada software lain yg bisa pantau running trade pakai APN blackberry? Yg langganan seperti RTI pakai apa ya? Dan langganannya berapa per bulan? Pak JT mungkin bisa bantu. Setahu saya, biasanya software yang perlu ambil data live dari server tertentu (bukan dari server Blackberry) seperti IPOT ini, settingnya harus pakai APN operator dan tidak termasuk paket unlimited. Powered by Telkomsel BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: shogunz2...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 17:08:04 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Bls: [obrolan-bandar] IPOT Blackberry Saya jg baru pake ipot bb n emang sebaiknya jangan digeber pake runing trade bs kemakan banyak bandwithnya n aplagi paket std cmn 50 mb klo ga salah 1 jam klo di komp kena 1-2 mb kira2. Jd lebih baik buat liat quote ama transaksi a ja jual beli aja Sent via BlackBerry® from Telstra -Original Message- From: Nadya Kho nadya...@yahoo.co.id Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 00:38:13 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Bls: [obrolan-bandar] IPOT Blackberry Nah ini yang saya maksud pak rudyho sama saya juga pake mentari dan rencananya kalo pake Blackberry saya aktifkan BIS nya...hahaha ternyata bayar lagi toh.. Persis sama yang pak Willy ngomong juga musti bayar lagi soalnya APN nya APN operator. pak rudy kalo jalanin IPOT 1 jam kira2 makan berapa kb ya... Thx Dari: rudyho rdy...@yahoo.com Kepada: Milis ObrolanBandar obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Terkirim: Minggu, 28 Desember, 2008 20:31:24 Topik: Re: [obrolan-bandar] IPOT Blackberry Weleh... Kalo di telkomsel ndak tau pak, apa memang ndak bisa bundling ya? Kalo di isat sih saya pernah denger teman pakai... Jadi dia pakai nomor awalan 0814... terus ditambah layanan BlackBerry™ Saya juga cuman pake BISdgn kartu pra bayar mentari... hehehe Jadi kalo running ipot di BLACKBERRY™ ya bayar..untung ndak mahal2x tarif di isat 1rp/kb Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT From: ibanlubi...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 13:15:31 + To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] IPOT Blackberry Gimana caranya pak, bukanya gak ada paketnya Tks Iban Powered by Telkomsel BlackBerry® From: rudyho Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 12:37:13 + To: Milis ObrolanBandarobrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] IPOT Blackberry Yup...karena ipot menggunakan apn operator BUKAN apn blackberry. Jadi kalo kita hanya berlangganan layanan blackberry, otomatis HARUS BAYAR lagi... Omong2x..yg dimaksud UNLIMITED ini apa sih? Kan sekarang juga ada layanan INTERNET UNLIMITED... Telkomsel dengan FLASH-nya... Indosat dengan MATRIX BROADBAND-nya. ..etc Jadi kalo kita berlanggan BlackBerry™ DAN unlimited Broadband internet servis (2 paket) otomatis ndak bayar lagi Cmiiw Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT From: willytandra@ yahoo.com Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 12:07:12 + To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] IPOT Blackberry Betul pak. Ada tambahan biaya lagi meskipun sudah pake langganan blackberry yg unlimited. Sy pake telkomsel unlimited tetapi ketika buka ipot tetap ada tambahan charge lg krn yg dipake memang apn operator. Regards, Willy Powered by Telkomsel BlackBerry® From: rudyho Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 07:52:51 + To: Milis ObrolanBandarobrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] IPOT Blackberry Kalo sdh pake unlimited broadband ya mestinya ndak bos... Tapi kalo cuman langganan blackberry, ya otomatis kepotong, kan apn yg dipake apn operator... Cmiiw Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT From: Nadya Kho Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 14:33:32 +0800 (SGT) To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [obrolan-bandar] IPOT Blackberry Guys mau tanya dong (mohon dibantu) 1. Kalau saya jalanin IPOT via BlackBerry apakah potong pulsa lagi ? walaupun sudah pake unlimited. 2. Kalau mau chat via irc.dal.net. .. bisa di BlackBerry? kalo bisa potong pulsa lagi gak? Thx atas tanggapannya ya Mulai chatting dengan teman di Yahoo! Pingbox baru sekarang!! Membuat tempat chat pribadi di blog Anda sekarang sangatlah mudah Menambah banyak teman sangatlah mudah dan cepat. Undang teman dari Hotmail, Gmail ke Yahoo! Messenger sekarang! http://id.messenger.yahoo.com/invite/
[obrolan-bandar] Oil jumps above $39 as Israel-Gaza conflict widens
 Oil jumps above $39 as Israel-Gaza conflict widens By ALEX KENNEDY Published: December 28, 2008 SINGAPORE (AP) - Oil prices rose to above $39 a barrel Monday in Asia, jumping for a second trading day as a widening conflict between Israel and Gaza raised tensions in the oil-rich Middle East. Light, sweet crude for February delivery rose $1.37 to $39.08 a barrel in electronic trading on the New York Mercantile Exchange by midday in Singapore. The contract on Friday rose $2.36 to settle at $37.71. Israel expanded its deadliest-ever air offensive against Gaza's Hamas rulers Sunday and prepared for a possible ground invasion. Arab leaders protested the attacks and Syria broke off indirect peace talks with the Jewish state. With the two-day death toll nearing 300, Hamas fired rockets deeper than ever into Israel. There could be fear that an escalating Middle East conflict could disrupt supplies, though I don't see that happening at this point, said Gerard Rigby, energy analyst with Fuel First Consulting in Sydney. (Israel-Palestinian conflict) always causes a bit of a blip and is one component that could support prices short-term. Oil prices have fallen 73 percent since peaking at $147.27 a barrel on July 11 as a credit crisis in the U.S. sparked a steep drop-off in consumer demand and corporate earnings. Analysts expect more dismal economic news from the fourth quarter over the next few weeks. More bad profit reports, jobs reports, thousing results will put pressure on prices, Rigby said. Once Obama comes in, that might start changing sentiment and generate more optimism. Barack Obama is scheduled to be sworn in as U.S. president on Jan. 20. Trading volumes have been low as many traders take off the week between Christmas and New Year's Day. In other Nymex trading, gasoline futures rose 3.16 cents to 88 cents a gallon. Heating oil gained 3.30 cents to $1.28 a gallon while natural gas for January delivery jumped 16.3 cents to $5.99 per 1,000 cubic feet. In London, February Brent crude rose $1.56 to $39.93 a barrel on the ICE Futures exchange. Powered by Telkomsel BlackBerry®
[obrolan-bandar] BUY!!!!! Pemodal Global Optimistis Tahun 2009 Ekonomi Pulih
Pemodal Global Optimistis Tahun 2009 Ekonomi Pulih London (ANTARA News/Reuters) - Memasuki tahun baru 2009, satu fenomena tak biasa menyeruak di dunia investasi yaitu harapan relatif optimistis. Ada embel-embel kata relatif di situ, namun pesan terpenting adalah tahun baru akan membawa akhir satu masa nestapa yang dirasakan banyak investor namun kini menyaksikan saham-saham global pulih lagi harganya dan semua jenis aset berisiko tinggi akan dimainkan lagi oleh pemodal. Apa yang tersedia kini tentunya bukan hanya hari-hari bullish (kecenderungan naiknya lagi harga saham) di pasar modal yang mengaburkan krisis kredit, tetapi juga harapan besar investor untuk pulihnya lagi perekonomian. Beberapa kalangan percaya pemulihan itu mulai tampak. Orang sedang mengambil posisi di era pasca resesi. Itulah yang sedang berlaku saat ini. Apa yang selama ini kita lihat adalah harga-harga sudah terlalu murah. Orang ingin segera melewati kekacauan ini, kata Charlie Morris, kepala analisis laba pada HSBC Global Asset Management. Tema besar tahun 2009 adalah tatkala perekonomian global akan terus memburuk setidaknya hingga beberapa kuartal ke depan, pasar modal justru sudah menaksir kecenderungan itu. Jadi, manakala sebuah perusahaan seperti Generali Investments dari Itali memprediksi pertumbuhan global pada masa resesi tahun depan akan 1,7 persen, saat bersamaan mereka memproyeksikan indeks harga saham naik 14 sampai 15 persen dalam kurun 12 bulan mendatang. Prediksi ini sebagian didorong oleh proyeksi bahwa siklus investasi cenderung lebih dulu memulihkan diri ketimbang normalnya lagi siklus ekonomi dan laba. Pasar modal dan kredit kerap lebih dulu pulih dibanding siklus ekonomi. Jadi, meskipun PDB tidak bisa tumbuh sampai paruh kedua tahun depan, aset-aset berisiko lebih tinggi akan lebih dulu pulih (saham dan obligasi termasuk yang disebut aset berisiko, red), kata Michael Dicks, konsultan investasi pada Barclays Wealth, kepada para kliennya dalam sebuah paparan proyeksi ekonomi tahun 2009. Jajak pendapat Reuters yang menjaring pendapat para pengelola dana dan para analis melukiskan sebuah gambaran mengenai tumbuh moderatnya indeks saham pada 2009, masing-masing dua digit di negara-negara maju dan di atas 20 persen di negara-negara berperekonomian berkembang. Sinyal membaik Mulai tahun depan mulai muncul tanda-tanda bahwa akar dari simpul gejolak pasar keuangan dunia dalam satu setengah tahun terakhir telah terpetakan. Data bulan lalu memberi gambaran bahwa ketika investor diselimuti skeptisme, sebenarnya mereka tidaklah seskeptis itu karena aliran dana dan indikator-indikator aset lainnya tengah bergerak menuju arah sama, menyasar kepulihan. Penjejak arah pemulihan ekonomi, EPFR Global, mencatat beberapa tanda bahwa tarikan berinvestasi mulai menemukan gairahnya lagi pada minggu kedua Desember 2008. Pasar saham di negara-negara berperekonomian berkembang disebut oleh lembaga ini telah membukukan investasi masuk netto terbesar sejak pertengahan Juli, kurang lebih satu miliar dolar AS (Rp11 triliun). Pasar obligasi yield (dividen) tinggi juga tumbuh cukup moderat karena tawaran risiko yang relatif atraktif. Sementara volatilitas (gejolak) pasar modal jauh lebih mereda dalam dua bulan terakhir, setidaknya menurut perhitungan Indeks Volatilitas VIX. Indeks kecemasan berinvestasi ini turun sekitar 40 persen dari puncaknya pada Oktober lalu. Sinyal bagus lainnya mengenai berangsur pulihnya kepercayaan investor muncul dari indeks pertumbuhan dagang maritim rilisan Baltic Exchange yang bulan ini dicatat sebagai bulan positif pertama sejak Mei 2008. Ini mengindikasikan gairah transaksi ekspor impor dunia naik lagi. Di pasar saham sendiri, indeks harga saham global utama MSCI (dari Morgan Stanley Capital Investment yang merangkum indeks saham seluruh dunia yang menjadi acuan indeks saham global) menjadi seksi kembali dengan mencatat kinerja terbaik sejak Mei 2008. Tawaran gain bulanan ini hanya terjadi lima kali dalam 18 bulan terakhir.  Jika kita sudah 24 bulan mengalami resesi, maka kita sudah terbiasa dengan kondisi itu, dan kini adalah masa untuk memulai melihat pulihnya kembali pasar modal, kata investor Wall Street, Jim O'Shaughnessy dalam Simposium Investasi Reuters di New York. Kunci kata yang diberikan O'Shaughnessy adalah jika. Untuk sementara waktu para investor berharap tahun 2009 adalah tahun yang lebih ramah untuk pasar keuangan, mereka memprediksi kejatuhan ekonomi global adalah hal normal jika penurunan ekonomi dunia memang sangat tajam dan tidak biasa. Namun, semua prediksi itu akan sia-sia belaka jika resesi berubah menjadi depresi. Tapi itu bukan hal yang diinginkan terjadi dan bukan pula sesuatu yang diharapkan para investor. Jajak pendapat Merill Lynch kepada para manajer investasi yang diadakan bulan lalu memperlihatkan, 26 persen responden memprediksi perekonomian global akan tumbuh lebih kuat tahun depan ketimbang sekarang. Pesimisme sepertinya
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: TRUB
Ada rumor, managementnya sedang bersengketa, ada shareholder yang mau mengundurkan diri tapi belum reach to conclusion. Mereka sedang mengundang investor baru untuk memperkuat modal dan menggantikannya, tapi under discussion. Sepanjang management belum solid, harga mungkin belum akan bergerak, I guess. Mudah2an cepat kelar dan bisa kembali fokus ke bisnis dan harga akan naik kembali. Bisnis mereka sendiri sangat segmented dan punya prospek tapi sayang situasi belum mendukung. Mohon dikoreksi kalau salah. Disclaimer Powered by Telkomsel BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: FromBuitenzorg frombuitenz...@yahoo.com Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 05:55:27 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: TRUB Mungkin TRUB hrs meyakinkan kepercayaan pasar Pak. Sebabnya? blank, tapi kalo punya chart historisnya mungkin bisa dipelajari apakah antara daya rangsang volume terhadap harga ke depannya--sekalipun up-down teruji akan valuable dan prospective. Cuma view yg bisa salah. Regards raynaldoy raynal...@... wrote: Ada yang tau kenapa saham trub tidak bergerak2 dari 50, padahal TRUB sudah mengungumkan ada proyek PLTU di 2009 + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:obrolan-bandar-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:obrolan-bandar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: obrolan-bandar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: PGAS memperkirakan penjualan 33 persen tahun depan
Pak JT Ini serius. Candle kan yg temuin orang Jepang karena dulunya dipakai untuk memprediksi arah dan pergerakan harga oleh para trader beras. Bagaimana kalau Pak JT mencari pola tersendiri korelasi antara beberapa parameter utama dengan volume, seperti yg bapak jelaskan dibawah. Bapak kan master Volume dan TA tentunya. Siapa tahu ada roadmap yang bisa dipetakan dalam bentuk baku atau turunan terhadap pola tertentu, kayak candle gitu lho. Kan bisa dinamakan sesuai penemunya, seperti pola Darvas dll. Saya dukung Pak. Sayang kalau ilmunya tidak digali lebih dalam lagi. Cheers Yuta Powered by Telkomsel BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: JsxTrader jsxtra...@yahoo.com Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 17:13:21 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Re: PGAS memperkirakan penjualan 33 persen tahun depan Teoritis begitu, Cuma kita ngga bisa membandingkannya begitu saja, harus dilihat juga seberapa besar pergerakan harga, seberapa besar rata-rata volume, bagaimana trend-nya.., dst. Jadi ada faktor-faktor lainnya yg harus dipertimbangkan..., tidak bisa black white begitu, ya kurang lebih seperti halnya menginterpretasikan candlestick lah, sangat tergantung posisinya dimana, gimana candle sebelumnya, gimana vol-nya, apakah berada di area SAR dll.., jadi bukan berarti ada doji berarti bakal reversal..., nah membaca volume kira-kira juga begitu..., bingung ya ? hehe... JT -Original Message- From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of poetra Sent: 23 Desember 2008 16:47 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: PGAS memperkirakan penjualan 33 persen tahun depan Mohon pencerahan Pak JT, apa artinya jika harga naik dan volume lebih kecil dibandingkan hari kemarinnya (saat harga turun) itu artinya juga bukan ther real movement? Salam --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, JsxTrader jsxtra...@... wrote: One thing sir..., so far volume never lie to me..., liat volume waktu jatuh dua hari kemarin.., saya dah ngga percaya that was a real movement..., tapi ada yg bilang.., susahlah liat volume..., contohnya bumi... hehe.., bumi is different case.. JT -Original Message- From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of pemainedan Sent: 23 Desember 2008 15:42 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: PGAS memperkirakan penjualan 33 persen tahun depan haha... the market precedes the news. right, pak JT??! (mirip spt embah yg dulu posting ada kelucuan di Bloomberg) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, JsxTrader jsxtrader@ wrote: Halah…, bisa aje tuh yg bikin berita.., baru juga kemarin beritanya busuk-busuk semua…, hehe…, Pak Halim advise please… JT From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan- ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Joe Grunk Sent: 23 Desember 2008 15:05 To: sa...@yahoogroups.com Cc: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [obrolan-bandar] PGAS memperkirakan penjualan 33 persen tahun depan 57141923 IQP, (23/12) - Perusahaan Gas Negara, memperkirakan penjualan 33 persen tahun depan. Perusahaan diprediksi mampu menjual antara 700 juta - 800 juta cubic feet per hari gas di 2009, Kata presiden direktur Hendi Prio Santoso selasa. Tahun ini perseroan memperkirakan akan mampu menjual 600 juta cubic feet gas per hari. PGN mengatakan sumbangan terbesar penjualan adalah kepada industri listrik dimana mereka baru saja menandatangani kontrak 210 juta cubic feet per hari dengan PLN. End (AF) _ Berselancar lebih cepat dan lebih cerdas dengan Firefox http://sg.rd.yahoo.com/id/search/firefox/mail/signature/*http:/downlo ads..yahoo.com/id/firefox/ 3! No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.0/1861 - Release Date: 12/22/2008 11:23 AM + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.0/1861 - Release Date: 12/22/2008 11:23 AM + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.0/1861 - Release Date: 12/22/2008 11:23 AM + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY
[obrolan-bandar] Stocks: Brace for a volatile week
Mudah2an volatile ke atas jadi BEI bisa ngekor sekalian window dressing dan litttle happy ending. Optimis dikit, boleh kan Stocks: Brace for a volatile week By Ben Rooney, CNNMoney.com staff writer December 20, 2008: 11:28 AM EST Investors return Monday for the last few trading days of what has been a tumultuous year and face a slew of economic reports in a holiday-shortened trading week. The days before Christmas bring reports on housing, the GDP, personal income and spending, and the latest reading on initial unemployment claims. Trading could also be volatile with many investors out for the Christmas holiday. U.S. markets will close early Wednesday and will remain closed on Thursday. Swings in the market are often amplified when fewer market participants are present. So even a modest amount of buying could turn into a more substantial rally. We could rally next week just because no one's here, said Dave Rovelli, managing director of U.S. equity trading at Canaccord Adams in New York. And the market could find some short-term support from a relief standpoint, said Abigail Doolittle, a portfolio manager at Johnson Illington Advisors, which has nearly $700 million in assets under management. Doolittle said the government's support of the auto industry and optimism about President-elect Barack Obama's economic stimulus plans may buoy the market. But given the outlook for first-quarter corporate results, a long-term rebound is unlikely, said Rovelli. Indeed, fourth-quarter earnings per share for the companies in the Samp;P 500 are forecast to decline more than 10%, according to estimates from Thomson Financial. Stocks capped a rocky week on a mixed note Friday as investors digested the Bush Administration's $13.4 billion auto bailout. The major indexes seesawed all week amid another interest rate cut by the Federal Reserve and dismal financial reports from Morgan Stanley and Goldman Sachs. Monday: The housing market will be in focus as the Hope Now Alliance, a government program that aides homeowners facing foreclosure, reports on its 2008 efforts and looks ahead to next year. Tuesday: The government will release its final revision for third-quarter gross domestic product. Economists think the economy shrank at an annual rate of 0.5% in the quarter, unchanged from last month. Also on Tuesday, the National Association of Realtors is set to announce figures for existing and new home sales in November. Both reports are expected to show further declines. Existing home sales are forecast to decline to 4.93 million from 4.98 million in October. New home sales are seen falling to 420,000 from 433,000, according to estimates gathered by Briefing.com. Meanwhile, the University of Michigan is expected to revise its consumer sentiment index lower to a reading of 58.6 from the 59.1 reading it announced on Dec. 12. And the government's latest weekly crude inventory report will be released at 10:35 a.m. Oil prices have been hovering around 4-1/2 year lows despite a pledge by OPEC to cut production, starting in January. Wednesday: Despite an early close at 1 p.m. ET for the Christmas holiday, the market will have a healthy dose of economic news to digest. At 8:30 a.m. ET, the Commerce Department will issue its monthly report on November personal income and spending. Personal spending is expected to be flat after a modest 0.3% increase in October, while spending is forecast to fall 0.8% after a decline of 1% the month before. Also, the Labor Department will report its weekly jobless claims. Last week, the number of first-time unemployment filers, which had been at a 26-year high, fell more than expected. Thursday: U.S. markets are closed for the Christmas holiday. Friday: U.S. markets reopen for a full trading day. With the exception of Japan, all other world markets are shut in observance of Boxing Day. Powered by Telkomsel BlackBerry® + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:obrolan-bandar-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:obrolan-bandar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: obrolan-bandar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[obrolan-bandar] Libur Akhir Tahun BEI
INILAH.COM, Jakarta - Akhir tahun 2008 sebentar lagi akan berakhir. Bursa Efek Indonesia (BEI) juga sudah menjadwalkan libur akhir tahunnya yang dimulai sejak 31 Desember 2008 hingga 4 Januari 2009. Senin 5 Januari 2009, bursa mulai buka kembali, kata Corporate Secretary BEI Humas BEI, Frederica Wydiasari kepada INILAH.COM, Sabtu (20/12). Sementara, menurut Samuel Securities, pekan ini akan menjadi pekan yang menentukan arah pergerakan indeks dalam satu dua bulan ke depan. Berdasarkan riset perusahaan, indeks masih berada di tengah-tengah level key support dan key resistance di level 1233 dan level 1340-an. Penembusan salah satu dari kedua level tersebut akan membuka kunci arah indeks berikutnya di mana kedua-duanya menjanjikan upside dan downside yang cukup besar. [cms] Powered by Telkomsel BlackBerry® + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:obrolan-bandar-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:obrolan-bandar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: obrolan-bandar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [obrolan-bandar] (MY PREDIKSI Oil 2009) Re: The fact of OIL...
Kalau prediksi saya, high-nya akan tembus pak mungkin balik ke kisaran 65-70. Alasannya, sekarang ini demand masih belum riil karena banyak perusahaan yg minimize/limit atau scale down operationalnya. Salah satu contoh, beberapa shipping lines lebih memilih untuk docking (=istirahatkan) kapal mereka untuk minimize loss. Biasanya pertengahan tahun, traffic perdagangan akan mulai trend up, disaat itu real demand akan terbentuk. Apalagi ditambah factor in dengan spekulasi, maka harga akan terbentuk lebih cepat daripada demandnya sendiri. February crude futures end higher By Polya Lesova Last update: 2:55 p.m. EST Dec. 19, 2008 NEW YORK (MarketWatch) -- Crude-oil futures rose above $42 a barrel Friday as investors bid up the new February contract, but continued to sell off the January contract, whose volatile action sent prices to as low as $32.40 a barrel. Crude oil for February delivery, now the most active contract, rose 69 cents to end at $42.36 a barrel on Nymex. The front-month January contract, which expired Friday, ended down $2.35 at $33.87 a barrel on the New York Mercantile Exchange. Powered by Telkomsel BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: FromBuitenzorg frombuitenz...@yahoo.com Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 03:53:58 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [obrolan-bandar] (MY PREDIKSI Oil 2009) Re: The fact of OIL... Sebenarnya sangat menyenangkan sekali andai minyak bisa mencapai $25/barrel, krn dapat memberikan rangsangan ekonomi dan lajunya yg lebih baik...Harga BBM akan murah, komoditi lain bisa bersaing. Karena Minyak Selalu Top News di Segala Bursa. berikut ini saya coba buat sepintas saja Outlook Forecast 2009 -Kembali ke th 2006, dimana pertumbuhan ekonomi cukup bagus, harga minyak, dg range $55 - 60/barre' - Thn 2007 sedikit membaik, tetapi pada akhir 2007 terjadi krisis finansial US. Harga minyak januari -Desember, dg range $60 - 90/barrel Thn 2008, krisis global, harga minyak range $100- 39/barrel (bukan angka Piet item, yg riil) Dengan mempertimbangkan yg ditulis Pak Aris sebelumnya dan kondisi ekonomi global serta kemungkinan supply-demand 2009, forecast singkatnya: -Konsumsi minyak dunia 2009 masih tetap lumayan tinggi, tetapi sedikit lebih rendah dibanding 2007 dan 2008 atau turun HANYA sekitar 0.5-0.6 persen atau tidak lebih 1%. Thn 2006 diabaikan krn lebih rendah dibanding 2007/2008. - Prediksi Harga Minyak Mentah: Low 35 ; High 52 Kita liat apakah akan terbukti, bisa di-trace mulai awal 2009 s.d. Feb. 2009. Lain2. Permintaan batubara masih cukup baik dan akan meningkat apabila harga minyak kurang kondusif. DISCLAIMER. Regards --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Aria Bela Nusa ariab...@... wrote: The facts that the price of OIL has still been coming down, down yet recently - despites of : . USD is weakness to EUR . The OPEC cuts the quotas of production . Winter seasons, . the bail-outs, etc The reasons behind we see that the above is no influence, effects to price absolutely - are the demand (real - expected) would be decreasing over the up-coming periods factually - recessions being previously faced in some rich countries deepens further Happy Chuan, Aria + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:obrolan-bandar-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:obrolan-bandar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: obrolan-bandar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: Bls: [obrolan-bandar] Re: IHSG pagi ini-mbah
Calling Elaine to answer as she is most competence to anwer. Silahkan Elaine Powered by Telkomsel BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 09:19:24 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Bls: [obrolan-bandar] Re: IHSG pagi ini-mbah Dollar turun terhadap Euro dengan cepatnya saat ini... Dulu ketika US dollar Index menurun dengan cepat, mereka memindahkan assetnya ke komo sehingga komo naik ratusan persen. Nah sekarang kemana itu FUND lari ?. Apakah sebagian akan dipindahkan ke emerging market ? Any idea ?. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, y_dizz y_d...@... wrote: Pukul 15:37, Dow Fut -124. Capee deh sama tuh bule, maunya apa sih? Kira2 masih optimis akhir tahun Dow bisa tutup di atas 9500 nggak ya? Pak Artomoro, Polar Expressnya kapan berangkat nih? Masa delay, kaya naik kereta ekonomi aja. Hehehe --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Vincent Chase chase.vincent@ wrote: ikut yg mana neh mbah? future merah tua apa regional yg hijau? + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:obrolan-bandar-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:obrolan-bandar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: obrolan-bandar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: bozz lagi duduk manis...
Dear Elaine Good thing is progressing. Ready to restart 15 days white candle until Christmass' eve? U.S. Treasury Ready to Prevent Failure of Automakers (Update2) By John Brinsley and Jeff Green Dec. 12 (Bloomberg) -- The Bush administration dropped its opposition to using the $700 billion bank bailout to provide financing for U.S. automakers, after the Senate yesterday failed to approve emergency loans. “Because Congress failed to act, we will stand ready to prevent an imminent failure until Congress reconvenes and acts to address the long-term viability of the industry,” Treasury spokeswoman Brookly McLaughlin said in an e-mailed statement. The Treasury has used all but about $15 billion of the first half of the Troubled Asset Relief Program’s funds since the plan was enacted Oct. 3. Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson has until today repeatedly resisted calls to use the program to aid the automakers. While the Treasury’s one-sentence statement doesn’t mention the TARP, White House spokeswoman Dana Perino said earlier in a separate statement that the Bush administration is considering using some of the program to keep the auto companies afloat. “Under normal economic conditions we would prefer that markets determine the ultimate fate of private firms,” Perino said. “However, given the current weakened state of the U.S. economy, we will consider other options if necessary -- including use of the TARP program -- to prevent a collapse of troubled automakers.” The administration’s shift comes after repeated statements by Paulson that any injection of funds required a plan “that leads to viability.” Revive Lending “The intent of the TARP was to deal with financial institutions and major systemic issues and getting lending going in capital institutions,” Paulson said in a Nov. 13 Bloomberg Television interview. “Congress, I believe, should address the question of the auto industry.” Emergency loans for General Motors Corp. and closely held Chrysler LLC were rejected late yesterday after talks failed over Republican senators’ demands that union workers accept a cut in wages next year. GM and Chrysler said they may run out of cash for their operations as sales head toward their lowest in 17 years. Senator Bob Corker , a Tennessee Republican involved in failed efforts to forge a compromise last night, said providing TARP money without union commitments to restructure and wage concessions would make it “less likely” that the companies become more competitive. Such a move would put “good money after bad,” Corker said in a Bloomberg Television interview. GM Chief Executive Officer Rick Wagoner told Congress last week, and has said repeatedly, that the Detroit-based automaker is trying to avoid bankruptcy at all costs. Lead director George Fisher said last week that GM considered and rejected the option and it was “way down the list” of alternatives. GM Shortage Still, GM also has said it will lack the minimum $11 billion needed to pay bills by the end of this month, raising the prospect of bankruptcy should it fail to win a cash infusion. GM reported having $16.2 billion as of Sept. 30. An attempt to restructure GM in bankruptcy would end up as liquidation, because sales would plummet as buyers flock to solvent car companies, Wagoner has said. Chrysler has said it will run out of money early next year. It ended the third quarter with $6.1 billion in cash and needs at least $3 billion on hand to operate, Chief Executive Officer Robert Nardelli told Congress on Nov. 18. Pressure was mounting on GM and Chrysler this week before the congressional failure as both faced demands from a small number of parts-makers for payments in advance because of the bankruptcy concerns, people familiar with the matter said. Ford Chief Executive Officer Alan Mulally said his company doesn’t need emergency U.S. loans, though he predicted last week that the automaker could be dragged into bankruptcy by the failure of GM. To contact the reporters on this story: John Brinsley in Washington at jbrins...@bloomberg.net ; Jeff Green in Washington at jgree...@bloomberg.net Last Updated: December 12, 2008 10:40 EST Powered by Telkomsel BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:07:19 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: bozz lagi duduk manis... *Yes, buy more. But why'd you be my fan? Anyhow, thanks, I take that as a compliment. Elaine salah predict about the big three, I thought It's gonna be smooth. Damn republicans, they wanna pass the problem to the next president. Somehow I'm not worried at all. Christmas is near, cheer up! Elaine** * 2008/12/12 Frendy wildwildwes...@gmail.com hauhaua..still BUY ? hari ini udah batal 15 consecutive white candlesnyalol but. i'm still one of ur fanssoBUUUYYY.MORE - Original
Re: Bls: [obrolan-bandar] PAK JSX TRADER... bumi
Pak JT, Pakai software apa di BB, yang live ya? Saya cuma bisa monitor pakai Yahoo go. Powered by Telkomsel BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 06:50:21 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Bls: [obrolan-bandar] PAK JSX TRADER... bumi Wah sayang ngga bisa ikutan hajar kanan.., hehe.., cuma bisa liat BB kelap-kelip... hehehe.., selamet deh buat semuanya.., let's ride.. !! Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT -Original Message- From: fifi young [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 13:06:26 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Bls: [obrolan-bandar] PAK JSX TRADER... bumi Prof. JT ikut MABOK GOYANG INUL...hehe... ati-ati dijalan... *** Instinct saya koq kuat juga ya? belum baca apa2, sebelum market buka pasang ENRG di 65... begitu market buka...Tiiing...'DONE'..., haha...! Instinct! Soale 'DENDAM' nech ma ENRG ! On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 12:50 PM, rudd haas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: enrg udah finish duluan langsung ar bumi masih dalam perjalanan; mudahan ikut ar elty masih jalan btel baru mengeliat2 bagusnya av up? --- On *Thu, 12/11/08, Elly Tan [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: From: Elly Tan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Bls: [obrolan-bandar] PAK JSX TRADER... bumi To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, December 11, 2008, 12:00 PM Pak JT, Ya pak JT setuju... yang dangdutnya paling kencang untuk saham Bakrie Energi hari ini. Lumayan tadi ikutan dangdut bareng energi Tapi Btel masih slow dance pakHe222 Salam -- *From:* JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] com *To:* obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com *Sent:* Thursday, December 11, 2008 4:40:52 AM *Subject:* Re: Bls: [obrolan-bandar] PAK JSX TRADER... bumi Sorry Pak, saya lg mobile, ngga didepan monitor, sy cuma monitor pake BB aja..., kalau liat di layar HP saya sih kayaknya bakrie lagi dangdutan.., termasuk ELTY saya.., cihuy !! Hehe.. Sent from my BlackBerry(R) powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT -- *From*: Ned Putra *Date*: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 11:22:53 +0700 (ICT) *To*: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com *Subject*: Bls: [obrolan-bandar] PAK JSX TRADER... bumi Pak JT mohon intipin BUMI donk.. TQ -- *Dari:* rudd haas [EMAIL PROTECTED] com *Kepada:* obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com *Terkirim:* Kamis, 11 Desember, 2008 11:00:14 *Topik:* Re: [obrolan-bandar] PAK JSX TRADER... bumi keliatana setelah lama ga dibicarakan bumi mulai menarik nih masih kuat naik / intraday ya please -- Coba Yahoo! Messenger 9.0 baru http://sg.rd.yahoo.com/sg/messenger/maxwell/*http://id.messenger.yahoo.com/Akhirnya datang juga!
[obrolan-bandar] Test (tolong direply)
Dear Rekans, Sudah berapa hari ini Network Blackberry Telkomsel lagi ngadat. Saya kirim beberapa posting ke OB tetapi tidak terupload di push email, padahal kalau saya check di web yahoo ternyata masuk. Sorry, ini saya kirim test dari handset Blackberry, karena kelihatan koneksi Blackberry sudah on lagi, tolong ada yg reply ya kalau masuk. Thanks. Yuta Powered by Telkomsel BlackBerry® + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Test (tolong direply)
Thanks Pak JT, Sepertinya (Telkomsel) BB dan yahoo-nya juga masalah. Soalnya ada beberapa message yg tidak masuk dari yahoo ke gmail karena bouncing, dan ada message di BB yg delay kalau dibandingkan dengan web. Aneh juga kadang2 terima posting di BB yg merupakan balasan tapi originalnya tidak masuk. Anyway, thanks atas replynya. Rgds, Yuta Powered by Telkomsel BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 10:40:12 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Test (tolong direply) Saya pake ISAT BB, belakangan sering delay sampe bbrp hari, memang tidak semua email sih, hanya sebagian kecil saja, ngga tau problemnya di ISAT, Di B.Berry server, atau memang di yahoo. Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 10:33:43 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Test (tolong direply) Dear Rekans, Sudah berapa hari ini Network Blackberry Telkomsel lagi ngadat. Saya kirim beberapa posting ke OB tetapi tidak terupload di push email, padahal kalau saya check di web yahoo ternyata masuk. Sorry, ini saya kirim test dari handset Blackberry, karena kelihatan koneksi Blackberry sudah on lagi, tolong ada yg reply ya kalau masuk. Thanks. Yuta Powered by Telkomsel BlackBerry® + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Arah index?
El, I'll try to figure out my guesstimate. That's because ID banks are more resilient to (external) crisis and thus they are more healthy than US banks, aren't they? In simply word, you wanted to say that financial sector will be gaining profit faster than other sectors? Means BUY FINANCE? Rgds, Yuta Powered by Telkomsel BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: Elaine Sui [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 19:13:34 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Arah index? *BUY! I'll be consistent with this, Rei. You should check it yourself, market is now getting more and more resistant to bad news. The news media has the ability to make good news sounds bad, and bad news sounds worse. Massive layoffs. Falling oil price. Bailouts. From an investor view, these are GOOD news. Massive layoffs = efficiency. Falling oil price = lower operating cost. Bailouts = Govt. takeovers/acquisition. Since about one hundred years ago, the economy always has the ability to cure itself, and for Q109 (or FY08) results,they will be overall above expectation. Investors should get maximum investment return if they start to accumulate now. And I know Oentoeng is somehow bullish too, but he's kinda awkward as a bear messenger to say that..[?] Rei, since you're an investor, why don't you -in your spare time- compare ID banks vs US banks. You'll see that ID banks are quite expensive - valuation wise - for a reason. Can you tell me why? Elaine** * 2008/12/6 Rei [EMAIL PROTECTED] Buat para master di sini, bagaimana feeling kalian mengenai arah index menjelang akhir tahun dan memasuki Q1 2009? Tentu sdh jelas ada beberapa pihak yg menginginkan index bullish dgn postingan buy tiap kali, ada yg masih mau index jatuh dgn ancaman pentungan/bom, dst. Dari postingan2/komen2 yg muncul belakangan ini sptnya index akan naik dulu (1400? 1800? 2000?) sblm dipentung lagi ke bawah 1000? Semua cuma bisa mengira2... Yah tidak ada yg bisa kasih prediksi 100%, tp setidak2nya ada arah buat pegangan kita... :-)
Re: Bls: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Analisa volume
Tanda2 alam? Buy more seperti kata Elaine? Powered by Telkomsel BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: bayu murti [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 11:06:03 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Bls: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Analisa volume bener banyak email yang telat pak --- Pada Rab, 3/12/08, jsxtrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] menulis: Dari: jsxtrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] Topik: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Analisa volume Kepada: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Tanggal: Rabu, 3 Desember, 2008, 4:35 PM Untuk realtime Saya Pake MS Pak.., kalau untuk quick look sih pake yg dari RTI atau IPOT sdh ok lah, saya liat HOTS juga ok, Chartnexus juga bolehlah untuk EOD, cuma data untuk Indexnya ngga lengkap. BTW email anda ngga masuk ke Outlook saya ya? tapi di web ada, banyak email-email lainya dari OB yg juga telat banget masuk, termasuk dari mbah.., udh beberapa hari nih kayak gini, jadi saya mesti cek di web.. apa yahoo lagi ngawur lagi ya? --- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com, Darwin Gunawan darwin.gunawan@ ... wrote: Pak JT, mo tanya aja, untuk analisa ta biasanya pake software apa? 2008/12/3 hendras [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks pak JT -- Hendra 2008/12/3 jsxtrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] .. Tergantung kebutuhan Pak.., apa yg mau diukur (kekuatan trend, kekuatan SAR, kekuatan GAP, validitas candle, validitas breakout, dsb) dan time framenya. Bisa dibandingkan dgn rata-rata dari suatu titik tertentu, bisa juga dibandingkan dengan volume di 'sekitar-nya' , atau bisa juga deng volume di har-hari tertentu, dsb. Penjelasan detailnya agak, panjang Pak, nanti ya, kapan kapan kita diskusikan. Tuh bumi digebukin lagi kan..., ampun dah..., presurenya gede banget.., mudah-mudahan temen-temen ngga ada yg benjol-benjol. --- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com obrolan-bandar% 40yahoogroups. com, hendras hendras@ wrote: Pak JT, kalo volume dikatakan besar/kecil itu biasanya dibandingkan dengan volume yg mana ya ? apakah sehari sebelumnya, volume rata-rata seminggu, sebulan, 3 bulan etc... Mohon petunjuknya. . Thanks. -- Hendra -- Darwin Gunawan Menambah banyak teman sangatlah mudah dan cepat. Undang teman dari Hotmail, Gmail ke Yahoo! Messenger sekarang! http://id.messenger.yahoo.com/invite/
[obrolan-bandar] Making sense of WALL STREET
Pak JsxTrader Kenapa DOW sukar ditebak, salah satu alasannya ini. If you have difficulty understanding the current world financial situation, the following should help... * Once upon a time in a village in India , a man announced to the villagers that he would buy monkeys for $10. The villagers seeing there were many monkeys around, went out to the forest and started catching them.* * The man bought thousands at $10, but, as the supply started to diminish, the villagers stopped their efforts. The man further announced that he would now buy at $20. This renewed the efforts of the villagers and they started catching monkeys again. Soon the supply diminished even further and people started going back to their farms. The offer rate increased to $25 and the supply of monkeys became so little that it was an effort to even see a monkey, let alone catch it! The man now announced that he would buy monkeys at $50! However, since he had to go to the city on some business, his assistant would now act as buyer, on his behalf. In the absence of the man, the assistant told the villagers: ' Look at all these monkeys in the big cage that the man has collected. I will sell them to you at $35 and when he returns from the city, you can sell them back to him for $50. ' The villagers squeezed together their savings and bought all the monkeys. Then they never saw the man or his assistant again, only monkeys everywhere! Welcome to WALL STREET.*
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Global Stocks Will R ally as Prices Hit ‘Extreme’ Lows...iklan
What is underlying reason for saying today crisis is fake, dear Elaine? Lehman banckruptcy, almost dying Citibank, half dead GM/Ford/Chrysler, and too many big shot to name it. Are they just acting “tumbal“? to the new world economy. Too bad huh? Future is yes better than now, but at least why suddenly people make up mind too soon? Can't understand clearly. Rgds Powered by Telkomsel BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: Elaine Sui [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 21:30:21 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Global Stocks Will R ally as Prices Hit ‘Extreme’ Lows...iklan *Read carefully. The recovery is expected to happen in 2H09, by that time almost everything create a new highs (price discounts everything, anyone?). The so called crisis in the US is not real. There is no crisis at all, it's a stupid soap-opera on TV like CNBC, CNN, Fox, even OB, and other controlled media. Next year, ppl will already forget what's happening this year. Elaine** * On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 11:37 AM, sulistyo_winarto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Global Stocks Will Rally as Prices Hit `Extreme' Lows, RBS Says By Alexis Xydias Nov. 28 (Bloomberg) -- Investors should exploit the extreme opportunity presented by stock valuations that have overestimated the extent to which earnings will slump, according to strategists at Royal Bank of Scotland Group Plc. While European earnings may decline a further 18 percent, current equity prices suggest the market is predicting a 45 percent drop, Ian Richards and Graham Bishop, strategists at RBS in London, wrote in a report today. U.S. earnings may contract another 15 percent, they wrote. Risk premia have hit extreme, and unsustainable, highs, they wrote. This has driven valuations to extreme lows. The price of European equities relative to trailing earnings may almost double as investors attempt to anticipate the bottom of the recession, according to the report. We look for the U.S. economy to lead recovery through the second half of 2009, the note said. Markets invariably pre- empt economic recovery and we expect equities to rise substantially.
Re: [obrolan-bandar] UPGRADE YOUR TARGET NOW
Dear Elaine, I really like your statement. Pinpoint, sharp and very determine. Mind to disclose what justification behind? Inflow or any kind of? Rgds, Powered by Telkomsel BlackBerry� -Original Message- From: Elaine Sui [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 14:20:59 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [obrolan-bandar] UPGRADE YOUR TARGET NOW *FRIDAY, NOVEMBER 28TH, 2008* BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE, LET ME WARN ALL ANALYSTS, TRADERS AND INVESTORS IN THIS GROUP *UPGRADE *YOUR *COMMODITY ENERGY STOCKS* 12M TARGET AT LEAST 500% FROM TODAY'S POSITION MOST OF YOU MADE MISTAKES EARLIER THIS YEAR, MAKE SURE YOU DON'T MAKE ANOTHER ONE TODAY STOP TRADING *INVEST* TO ALL BEARISH MESSENGERS,. *IT'S PAYBACK TIME* *ELAINE SUI* * **ps: for reference, this was my downgrade call (April 8th, 08), when commodities hit all time highs: http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/message/74267 that followed my subtle warning for IDX crash (Dec 29th, 07), just couple days before it hit highest, and never came back: http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/message/52989 I'm not always right, but most of the time I get what I want. lol.*
[obrolan-bandar] Northstar Ambil Alih Seluruh Utang Bakrie ke Odickson
Apa BUMI akan terbang minggu depan? Ketidakpastian sudah terungkap. Apa sudah boleh collect BNBR? Comment please Jumat, 28/11/2008 23:44 WIB Northstar Ambil Alih Seluruh Utang Bakrie ke Odickson Wahyu Daniel, Angga Aliya ZRF - detikFinance Jakarta - Northstar Pacific sepakat untuk mengambil alih utang PT Bakrie Brothers Tbk (BNBR) kepada Odickson Finance. Sebagai imbalannya, Northstar akan menjadi pemilik saham PT Bumi Resources Tbk (BUMI). Demikian disampaikan Presdir BNBR Nalinkant A Rathod dalam jumpa pers di Wisma Bakrie 2 pada Jumat (28/11/2008) PT Bakrie Brothers mengumumkan telah mencapai kesepakatan dengan Northstar Pacific untuk membentuk satu kerjasama yang sudah tertuang dalam Sales and Purchase Agreement (SPA) pada 31 Oktober untuk membentuk strategic partnership, ujar Nalinkant. Ia menjelaskan, kerjasama ini diterjemahkan dalam bentuk pengambilalihan aset-aset yang telah dijaminkan BNBR ke Odickson Finance. Dengan kerjasama ini, Northstar secara tidak langsung mengambil kontrol dari aset-aset portofolio BNBR. Dan Northstar berada dalam posisi untuk menjadi strategic partner di BUMI. Jumlah utang yang sangat signifikan BNBR kepada Odickson telah diambil alih oleh Northstar. Dan dia (Northstar) akan mengukuhkan dirinya untuk membentuk joint venture di BNBR, jelas Nalinkant. Dalam catatan detikFinance, BNBR memiliki pinjaman sebesar US$ 1,086 miliar ke Odickson Finance baru dibayar US$ 118,7 juta atau tersisa sekitar US$ 967,3 juta. Semua utang selesai, semua kewajiban dapat dipenuhi. Tinggal yang US$ 200 juta yang akan kita selesaikan sebelum akhir tahun ini, jelasnya. Ia menambahkan, kesepakatan akhir masih akan dihitung lagi, termasuk berapa nilai dari aset yang diambil alih Northstar. Dalam catatan detikFinance, sisa pinjaman saat ini yang masih harus dibayarkan BNBR mencapai US$ 1,146 miliar plus Rp 501,7 miliar kepada Odickson Finance, JP Morgan, ICICI, Mandiri Sekuritas, PT Sucorinvest Gani, PT PNM Investments Management, PT Sarijaya Securities, PT Dinar Sekuritas. Sementara utang gadai saham Bumi Resources (BUMI) dan Bakrie Sumatra Plantation (UNSP) ke Recapital Securities dan PT Aldira sebesar Rp 144,9 miliar sudah mengalami gagal bayar. Powered by Telkomsel BlackBerry® + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [obrolan-bandar] IHSG - Chart
Jangan takut, sepanjang Pak Artomoro yg kelonin, masih still on the track. Kecuali kalau Pak Artomoro udah kabur duluan. Bubar jalan Powered by Telkomsel BlackBerry� -Original Message- From: fifi young [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 15:41:56 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] IHSG - Chart Iya gimana nech BUMI? Udah dielus-elus dikelonin... eh koq ngadat..? BD-nya pengen lebih mesra kaleee.. On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 2:56 PM, JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sampai Jam 14.45 - IHSG, indikator masih ok.., sebenernya tadi udh sip..., sayang BUMI ngadat lagi.., MACD SLIP keatas... jangan terlalu khawatir, ini cuma efek BUMI Salam, JsxTrader
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Northstar Pastikan Beli BUMI
Besok, yg sudah ambil barang murah beberapa hari terakhir terpaksa akan merelakan untuk diambil mahal oleh Northstar, mengkaleee Powered by Telkomsel BlackBerry� -Original Message- From: john.nuel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 10:35:17 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Northstar Pastikan Beli BUMI ada bocoran harga jadi di berapa? tetap 2100 ? kira-kira besok BUMI ke langit atau masih ke bumi? thx --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Kidod25 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: GOOD JOB!!! Northstar Pastikan Beli BUMI Indro Bagus SU - detikFinance Paparan Publik Bakrie Grup (Indro) Jakarta - Konsorsium Northstar Pacific Partners Ltd dan Texas Pacific Group memastikan akan mengeksekusi saham PT Bumi Resources Tbk (BUMI) milik PT Bakrie Brothers Tbk (BNBR). Penandatangan akan dilakukan paling cepat Jumat malam (28/11/2008). Due diligence sudah rampung. Sekarang kami sedang membahas mekanisme pembayaran, ujar CEO Northstar Pacific, Patrick Walujo dalam penjelasannya yang diterima detikFinance, Kamis (28/11/2008). Pernyataan Patrick sekaligus menyanggah kabar yang menyatakan bahwa transaksi jual beli tersebut akan batal dilaksanakan. Patrick mengatakan kedua belah pihak saat ini sedang membahas mekanisme pembayaran dan penentuan harga pembelian saham-saham BUMI milik BNBR. Kami memahami bahwa porsi sahamnya saat ini sudah tidak mencapai 35%. Sebagian besar sudah dilepas ke pasar oleh kreditur-krediturnya. Mungkin saham yang akan kami ambil antara 10% hingga 20%, ujar Patrick. Apa yang dikatakan Patrick mengungkap fakta bahwa BNBR kesulitan mengumpulkan seluruh portofolionya di BUMI. Seharusnya BNBR menguasai 35% saham BUMI. Namun karena sebanyak 26,42% saham BNBR di BUMI sedang digadaikan kepada sejumlah kreditur asing maupun lokal, BNBR harus mengumpulkan saham-sahamnya agar dapat dijual ke Northstar. Sayangnya, hingga saat ini BNBR masih belum dapat mengamankan 35% saham-sahamnya yang beredar di tangan kreditur-krediturnya. Namun proses negosiasi antara BNBR dengan kreditur-krediturnya masih berlangsung. Kami masih menunggu proses restrukturisasi Bakrie Group dengan para krediturnya, terutama dari pihak lokal yang belum selesai. Tapi dalam satu dua hari ke depan, Bakrie Group berkomitmen dapat menyelesaikan masalah dengan krediturnya, jelas Patrick. Kendati demikian, Patrick menegaskan bahwa transaksi tidak mungkin dibatalkan. Berapapun jumlah saham yang dapat dikumpulkan BNBR, Northstar akan melakukan penandatanganan paling cepat Jumat malam (28/11/2008). Kami sudah membidik BUMI sejak dua tahun lalu. Oleh karena itu kami tidak mungkin memilih opsi walk away dalam transaksi ini. Dalam satu dua hari ini akan ada kesepakatan dengan Bakrie Group, ujar Patrick. Northstar Pacific adalah perusahaan nasional pengelolaan dana dan investasi yang didedikasikan untuk penanaman modal di Indonesia. Fokus usaha Northstar diarahkan pada sektor di mana Indonesia memiliki keunggulan komparatif dibandingkan dengan negara di kawasan Asia Tenggara. Pada 2007, Northstar Pacific bersama Texas Pacific Group membentuk konsorsium Northstar Equity Partnes untuk mengambil alih 71,6% saham Bank Tabungan Pensiunan Nasional (BTPN) senilai Rp1,7 triliun dari Recapital Advisors.
Re: Bls: [obrolan-bandar] Re: BBRI - BMRI - PTBA - PGAS - TLKM
Bocorannya dong Pak JT untuk BUMI. Saya rasa banyak yang lagi nunggu ulasan Pak JT mengenai pergerakan BUMI, hari ini maupun beberapa hari ke depan. Tidak hanya saham BUMI sendiri, tetapi juga efek ke saham yg lain. Sepertinya majority saham lain mengikuti pergerakan BUMI, seperti saran dan ulasan Embah untuk trading mengikuti arah Wave dan Market. Yuta Powered by Telkomsel BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 07:22:29 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Bls: [obrolan-bandar] Re: BBRI - BMRI - PTBA - PGAS - TLKM Pelajari gerakan harga dan vol, ntar deh kita bahas, lagi melototin bumi nih... Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT -Original Message- From: Richard Ropongi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 11:32:29 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Bls: [obrolan-bandar] Re: BBRI - BMRI - PTBA - PGAS - TLKM Pak JT, bisa nentuin resist di 1860, caranya gmana ya? thanks Dari: JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kepada: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Terkirim: Kamis, 27 November, 2008 10:04:05 Topik: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Re: BBRI - BMRI - PTBA - PGAS - TLKM 1860 Bu…, saya masih tunggu harga diskon From:obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:obrolan- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com] On Behalf Of fifi young Sent: 27 Nopember 2008 9:56 To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: BBRI - BMRI - PTBA - PGAS - TLKM Pak JT, Pacar Gelap-nya hari ini resistant diberapa? thanks. 2008/11/27 JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] com Menunya masih seperti yg kemarin…, kalau gap up jangan ikut-ikutan makan kanan.., antri aja, tunggu market stabil.. Good Luck !! JsxTrader From:obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of anru dadaq Sent: 27 Nopember 2008 4:54 To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Subject:Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: BBRI - BMRI - PTBA - PGAS - TLKM candlenya : BBRI : ++ BMRI, PTBA, BUMI, TINS : + TLKM, ANTM : 0 PGAS : - DJ +, OIL-GAS : +, Utk BC masih sptnya masih bisa naik sampai jum'at. Utk non BC, secara total, bikin keder mbah :) kalau dari analisa pa JT (vol spike), dr pergerakan bandar, ditambah candle, BMRI bisa gap-up atau sideways terus naik tajam pgas candle sell-if, tp harga naik, sptnya bisa naik dikit tuh jadi, hari ini prefer mana nih pa JT? saya ngikut... :) 2008/11/26 jsxtrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] com Error! Filename not specified. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg. com Version: 8..0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.9/1808 - Release Date: 11/26/2008 8:53 PM No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg. com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.9/1808 - Release Date: 11/26/2008 8:53 PM ___ Nama baru untuk Anda! Dapatkan nama yang selalu Anda inginkan di domain baru @ymail dan @rocketmail. Cepat sebelum diambil orang lain! http://mail.promotions.yahoo.com/newdomains/id/
Re: [obrolan-bandar] To elaine again:, full ammo till friday
Dear Elaine, Trust that you are amongst one who don't trust that Soros is entering emerging market, nor buying BUMI, am I right? But suddenly the IDX market is getting its flavour when BUMI goes up. Can you smell something here? A real or fake? Opinion please. Powered by Telkomsel BlackBerry� -Original Message- From: Elaine Sui [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 23:15:48 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] To elaine again:, full ammo till friday *Oentoeng mau say bullish tetapi masih malu malu saja ah... ^_^ kalau bear ribut, bull sembunyi.. [EMAIL PROTECTED] .ha ha ha ha. Elaine bercanda ya. Elaine** * 2008/11/26 denni denni [EMAIL PROTECTED] huhuy...jangan bangunin macan tidur :) *Elaine Sui [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: *Don't lie to me!!! bisa bawa BUMI naik pasti general. Now everyone's counting you, and the burden is all yours to handle, general ^_^ See, I'm watching the right person, at the right moment, at the right price. lol.. Where's oentoeng anyway... is he still around? Elaine** * 2008/11/25 artomoro9 [EMAIL PROTECTED] i am not generals lho, itu temen2 aja yg suka ngeledek saya pake nama itu. BUMI bawa ke 8000? waooo.. itu baru generals. generals is GM, not artomoro. rite? hehehe. artomoro (jangan jual murah BUMI anda) From: Elaine Sui [mailto:elainesui83@ gmail.comhttp://Compose?To=elainesui83%40gmail.com] Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 9:55 PM To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. comhttp://Compose?To=obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] To elaine: Re: full ammo for tommorow I'm watching you cuz I want to know how good you really are. I heard you're one of those generals, so show me that you're as good as I expect you to be. Bring bumi up to where it fell from, 8000 that is. This could be the biggest swing trades on earth, like 1000% gain? If you can...lol, come on. You're that big, right? Make them happy, general. Elaine DISCLAIMER ON -- Nama baru untuk Anda! http://sg.rd.yahoo.com/id/mail/domainchoice/mail/signature/*http://mail.promotions.yahoo.com/newdomains/id/ Dapatkan nama yang selalu Anda inginkan di domain baru @ymail dan @rocketmail. Cepat sebelum diambil orang lain! -- Dapatkan nama yang Anda sukai! http://sg.rd.yahoo.com/id/mail/domainchoice/mail/signature/*http://mail.promotions.yahoo.com/newdomains/id/ Sekarang Anda dapat memiliki email di @ymail.com dan @rocketmail.com.
[obrolan-bandar] Indonesia - why there is no recession in the world's leading Muslim economy
Quoted dari http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article.asp?edition_id=1categ_id=2article_id=97616. One of good news. Mudah2an benar dan menjadi kenyataan. Rgds, Yuta ** *Indonesia - why there is no recession in the world's leading Muslim economy **By Terry Lacey Wednesday, November 12, 2008* *Report by Terry Lacey* Following the election of US President-elect Barack Obama there is likely to be a slow recovery in confidence in the United States financial and banking system. A recession is unavoidable in the US and EU, but with only a downturn in developing countries. This crisis of confidence in the Western banking and financial system comes during the dying days of the most unpopular American presidency in living memory. Financial mismanagement and weak regulatory frameworks have devastated the US economy, making the rich richer and the poor poorer. Two million Americans may lose their homes. Millions in the US and Europe will lose their jobs. Yet the devastating legacy of the Bush presidency leaves open great opportunities for Indonesia, the Muslim world and the developing countries of the South. Indonesia can play a key role in leading the Muslim world toward economic recovery, and help minimize the impact of global recession. First, by managing its national economy to maintain growth, demand, imports and exports. The nominal Gross Domestic Product for 2009 is projected at $547 billion. Indonesia is already in the top 20 economies of the world. Indonesia is currently overtaking Belgium and Sweden. It will soon overtake Turkey, the Netherlands and Austria as it enormous size, resources and population come into play. It is a strong candidate to join the top 10 economies in the world within two decades. Second, by mobilizing investment for oil, gas, energy projects, biofuels, infrastructure (roads, railways, ports), manufacturing and retailing sectors. It needs over $40 billion for electricity alone, to finance an additional 40,000 MWe of power by 2025. Indonesia will become a nuclear power, and plans four power stations. Total foreign investment needed overall during the next 15 years exceeds $100 billion. Investment is still coming from the US and EU (including Eastern Europe) but increasingly from the BRICs (Brazil, Russia, India and China), and also from Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation countries like Canada, Japan, Korea, Taiwan, and from Association of Southeast Asian Nations member states (including Brunei, Malaysia, Philippines, Singapore, Thailand). Investment is also coming in greater volume from the Gulf Arab states, Israel and South Africa. Third, Indonesia can help lead Muslim economies by using its economic size and prestige as a member of the United Nations Security Council to join Brazil, Russia, India, China and Southern countries to bring about changes in policies and in the balance of power in world organizations dealing with trade, finance and development, especially the World Bank, the International Monetary Fund (IMF) and World Trade Organization (WTO). Indonesia has major reservations about the IMF following its own experience in 1998. German Finance Minister Peer Steinbrueck said that the world should not slip into creating a shadow world economic government run by an inner IMF council. Indonesia is also tired of being kept on the fringes in the WTO. Asia and Southern countries want a new deal. Muslim countries collectively represent an increasingly important source of capital, while Western liquidity has partly dried up. Muslim economies represent important investment sources as well as investment destinations. The collective size of Muslim economies represents significant demand for Western goods and services, relatively unaffected by the recession in the West. Indonesia can still deploy export credits, sovereign funds, Islamic finance and other non-traditional financial sources, such as environmental funds and carbon credits. Despite the global downturn Indonesia is still pulling in some bank finance. A $140 million syndicated loan for Excelcomindo for telecommunications expansion was announced recently. Low-cost airline Lion Air is buying 12 Boeing 737 planes even though the required local cash contribution for the last four has risen to 30 percent. Lion Air will use its own cash to carry on expanding. St. Miguel Corp. of the Philippines is competing with a US-led consortium to clinch a $1.3 billion coal supply deal, to buy PT Bumi Resources from Bakri Brothers. There is money here and money coming in. Standard and Poors is holding Indonesian credit ratings stable and its credit rating may even be raised. Singapore could slip into recession but Indonesia will not, and the reason is mostly sheer size plus improved financial and economic management. Indonesia is in a key position as the largest Muslim country in the world with a population of 230 million and a land area of 1.9 million square kilometers. The Indonesian Gross Domestic Product was $843.7 billion in
