Re: User facing web items - IP concerns

2011-06-28 Thread Rob Weir
In general, everyone should be familiar with this page, which describes which licenses may be used in Apache projects: http://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html There is a list of licenses which are compatible, another list that is not compatible. If we find something that is outside either of t

Re: User facing web items - IP concerns

2011-06-28 Thread C
> Le 18/06/11 19:43, Dennis E. Hamilton a écrit : >> I signed up on the wiki.services.openoffice.org wiki just the other day and >> I saw no indication of the terms of use, just the lame wiki copyright page. There were _many_ attempts to correct the OOo Wiki licensing over the past few years, and

Re: User facing web items - IP concerns

2011-06-28 Thread Alexander Thurgood
Le 18/06/11 19:43, Dennis E. Hamilton a écrit : Hi Dennis, > My nosing around so far leads me to believe that this is like the response to > the Facebook "relationship" question: "It's complicated." Until Facebook, I > had no idea how many people said that about their relationships. > > Some

RE: User facing web items

2011-06-18 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
sonal IP considerations. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Ross Gardler [mailto:rgard...@opendirective.com] Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 11:35 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: User facing web items On 18 June 2011 19:14, Joe Schaefer wrote: > Ah, we don't need a license on

Re: User facing web items

2011-06-18 Thread Andrea Pescetti
eric b wrote: > As you can see, OpenOffice.org forks are "selectively" supported, > what is not normal, and not the Apache spirit. Well, as Drew explained I don't think there is a reason why OOo4Kids and OOoLight are not explicitly named, and as a moderator of the Italian forum surely I would an

Re: User facing web items

2011-06-18 Thread Ross Gardler
Ross Ross > > > - Original Message >> From: Ross Gardler >> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org >> Sent: Sat, June 18, 2011 2:35:29 PM >> Subject: Re: User facing web items >> >> On 18 June 2011 19:14, Joe Schaefer  wrote: >> > Ah,

Re: [OT] Re: User facing web items

2011-06-18 Thread Reizinger Zoltán
Hi Eric, 2011.06.18. 19:36 keltezéssel, eric b írta: Hi, Le 18 juin 11 à 18:55, Reizinger Zoltán a écrit : Hi Eric, 2011.06.18. 18:33 keltezéssel, eric b írta: OOops, sorry, should read: "Can someone explain why OOo4Kids and OOoLight are missing in this list ?" Regards,, Eric Bachard I t

Re: User facing web items

2011-06-18 Thread Ross Gardler
On 18 June 2011 19:31, Dave Fisher wrote: > > On Jun 18, 2011, at 11:03 AM, Ross Gardler wrote: > >> Sent from my mobile device (so please excuse typos) >> >> On 18 Jun 2011, at 18:34, Dave Fisher wrote: >> >>> Ross, >>> >>> Drew had a long description. If that gives you any clarity. >> >> It doe

Re: User facing web items

2011-06-18 Thread Joe Schaefer
eking an iCLA. - Original Message > From: Ross Gardler > To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org > Sent: Sat, June 18, 2011 2:35:29 PM > Subject: Re: User facing web items > > On 18 June 2011 19:14, Joe Schaefer wrote: > > Ah, we don't need a license on forum

Re: User facing web items

2011-06-18 Thread drew
On Sat, 2011-06-18 at 19:35 +0100, Ross Gardler wrote: > On 18 June 2011 19:14, Joe Schaefer wrote: > > Ah, we don't need a license on forum content in order > > to host the forums at Apache. People who post to the forums > > are implicitly granting the right of publication thru > > the website,

Re: User facing web items

2011-06-18 Thread Ross Gardler
ern would be if we were trying to take forum > content and redistribute it as OOo documentation.  There > we'd need an explicit license from the copyright author > in the form of an ICLA. > > > > - Original Message >> From: drew >> To: ooo-dev@incub

Re: User facing web items

2011-06-18 Thread Dave Fisher
On Jun 18, 2011, at 11:03 AM, Ross Gardler wrote: > Sent from my mobile device (so please excuse typos) > > On 18 Jun 2011, at 18:34, Dave Fisher wrote: > >> Ross, >> >> Drew had a long description. If that gives you any clarity. > > It does now I've read it more carefully, thanks (and to Dr

Re: User facing web items

2011-06-18 Thread Dave Fisher
On Jun 18, 2011, at 11:07 AM, drew wrote: > On Sat, 2011-06-18 at 10:48 -0700, Dave Fisher wrote: >> Hi Drew, >> >> Ross reminds me to be very careful about content licenses. >> >> Would you please confirm that the license for all contributions to the these >> Forums is here - http://openoffic

Re: User facing web items

2011-06-18 Thread drew
Hello Eric, Well, for those that don't know - a while back I offered to run a site for the educoo project educoo.us. I registered it, started it and for reasons that have nothing to do with Eric or anyone beyond myself and my own problems totally failed to maintain it - well beyond any point of f

Re: User facing web items

2011-06-18 Thread Joe Schaefer
--- Original Message > From: drew > To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org > Sent: Sat, June 18, 2011 2:07:31 PM > Subject: Re: User facing web items > > On Sat, 2011-06-18 at 10:48 -0700, Dave Fisher wrote: > > Hi Drew, > > > > Ross reminds me to be very careful a

Re: User facing web items

2011-06-18 Thread drew
On Sat, 2011-06-18 at 10:48 -0700, Dave Fisher wrote: > Hi Drew, > > Ross reminds me to be very careful about content licenses. > > Would you please confirm that the license for all contributions to the these > Forums is here - http://openoffice.org/terms_of_use ? > > If not, then where? Thanks

Re: User facing web items

2011-06-18 Thread Ross Gardler
Sent from my mobile device (so please excuse typos) On 18 Jun 2011, at 18:34, Dave Fisher wrote: > Ross, > > Drew had a long description. If that gives you any clarity. It does now I've read it more carefully, thanks (and to Drew) > >> Can you please clarify the legal status of the content o

Re: User facing web items

2011-06-18 Thread eric b
Hi Ross, Le 18 juin 11 à 19:21, Ross Gardler a écrit : Sent from my mobile device (so please excuse typos) I think you ask it on wrong place, as you a member of user forum never posted such question. Please ask it on EN user forum. But should they be on the Apache use support resources?

Re: User facing web items

2011-06-18 Thread Dave Fisher
Hi Drew, Ross reminds me to be very careful about content licenses. Would you please confirm that the license for all contributions to the these Forums is here - http://openoffice.org/terms_of_use ? If not, then where? Thanks! Best Regards, Dave On Jun 18, 2011, at 10:04 AM, drew wrote: > On

RE: User facing web items - IP concerns

2011-06-18 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
orums. Or the bugzilla either. Well, it's complicated. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Ross Gardler [mailto:rgard...@opendirective.com] Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 10:24 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Cc: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: User facing web items Can

[OT] Re: User facing web items

2011-06-18 Thread eric b
Hi, Le 18 juin 11 à 18:55, Reizinger Zoltán a écrit : Hi Eric, 2011.06.18. 18:33 keltezéssel, eric b írta: OOops, sorry, should read: "Can someone explain why OOo4Kids and OOoLight are missing in this list ?" Regards,, Eric Bachard I think you ask it on wrong place, as you a member of use

Re: User facing web items

2011-06-18 Thread Dave Fisher
Ross, Drew had a long description. If that gives you any clarity. > Can you please clarify the legal status of the content on the forums? This is apparently the license: http://openoffice.org/terms_of_use Here is what Zoltan wrote: On Jun 18, 2011, at 7:11 AM, Reizinger Zoltán wrote: > Hi And

Re: User facing web items - the Education sites

2011-06-18 Thread Alexandro Colorado
derived from the LGPL3 OpenOffice.org base? > Is something else derived from LGPL3 OOo base. > > -Original Message- > From: eric b [mailto:eric.bach...@free.fr] > Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 09:32 > To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org > Subject: Re: User facing web

Re: User facing web items

2011-06-18 Thread Ross Gardler
Can you please clarify the legal status of the content on the forums? We've been told code is Apache licensed, but what about the content? This same question applies to the content on the user mail lists (asked about elsewhere in this thread). Ross Sent from my mobile device (so please excuse

Re: User facing web items

2011-06-18 Thread drew
On Sat, 2011-06-18 at 18:25 +0200, Andrea Pescetti wrote: > Rob Weir wrote: > > IMHO, I'd like to see the user forums become part of the project. I > > think user support is traditionally a function of an Apache project. > > Although it is most commonly done with a user list, that is just an > > i

Re: User facing web items

2011-06-18 Thread Ross Gardler
Sent from my mobile device (so please excuse typos) On 18 Jun 2011, at 17:55, Reizinger Zoltán wrote: > Hi Eric, > 2011.06.18. 18:33 keltezéssel, eric b írta: >> OOops, sorry, should read: >> >> "Can someone explain why OOo4Kids and OOoLight are missing in this list ?" >> >> >> Regards,, >> E

RE: User facing web items - the Education sites

2011-06-18 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
or is it something else derived from the LGPL3 OpenOffice.org base? -Original Message- From: eric b [mailto:eric.bach...@free.fr] Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 09:32 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: User facing web items Hi, Le 18 juin 11 à 18:25, Andrea Pescetti a écrit

Re: User facing web items

2011-06-18 Thread Ross Gardler
Sent from my mobile device (so please excuse typos) On 18 Jun 2011, at 16:27, Reizinger Zoltán wrote: > Hi Ross, > > 2011.06.18. 16:56 keltezéssel, Ross Gardler írta: >> On 18 Jun 2011, at 15:31, Andy Brown wrote: >> >>> Ross Gardler wrote: If (and that's a big if) infra are willing to h

Re: User facing web items

2011-06-18 Thread Dave Fisher
On Jun 18, 2011, at 9:33 AM, eric b wrote: > OOops, sorry, should read: > > "Can someone explain why OOo4Kids and OOoLight are missing in this list ?" Thanks for the reminder. As for explanations the Apache podling and committers are still getting organized. The project website is just there

Re: User facing web items

2011-06-18 Thread drew
On Sat, 2011-06-18 at 08:42 -0700, Dave Fisher wrote: > > Zoltan - If you wish to get this done please contact Gavin so that the > technical requirements plus any formal request to Oracle can be organized. Hi Zoltan, Dave As it happens I've have the details available and am subscribed to the i

Re: User facing web items

2011-06-18 Thread Manfred A. Reiter
Hii 2011/6/18 Andrea Pescetti : > Rob Weir wrote: >> IMHO, I'd like to see the user forums become part of the project.  I >> think user support is traditionally a function of an Apache project. >> Although it is most commonly done with a user list, that is just an >> implementation detail, not the

Re: User facing web items

2011-06-18 Thread Reizinger Zoltán
Hi Eric, 2011.06.18. 18:33 keltezéssel, eric b írta: OOops, sorry, should read: "Can someone explain why OOo4Kids and OOoLight are missing in this list ?" Regards,, Eric Bachard I think you ask it on wrong place, as you a member of user forum never posted such question. Please ask it on

Re: User facing web items

2011-06-18 Thread eric b
OOops, sorry, should read: "Can someone explain why OOo4Kids and OOoLight are missing in this list ?" Regards,, Eric Bachard -- qɔᴉɹə Education Project: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Education_Project Projet OOo4Kids : http://wiki.ooo4kids.org/index.php/Main_Page L'association Ed

Re: User facing web items

2011-06-18 Thread eric b
Hi, Le 18 juin 11 à 18:25, Andrea Pescetti a écrit : I agree. It wouldn't make sense to lose the forums, that are a very important resource for end-users and one of the few resources that are still shared by OpenOffice.org and all derivatives (as the header says, they support OpenOffice.

Re: User facing web items

2011-06-18 Thread Andrea Pescetti
Rob Weir wrote: > IMHO, I'd like to see the user forums become part of the project. I > think user support is traditionally a function of an Apache project. > Although it is most commonly done with a user list, that is just an > implementation detail, not the essence of the function. Since OOo ha

Re: User facing web items

2011-06-18 Thread Dave Fisher
On Jun 18, 2011, at 8:16 AM, Rob Weir wrote: > On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 10:11 AM, Reizinger Zoltán > wrote: > > >> The forums have link to the terms of use: >> http://openoffice.org/terms_of_use >> This link was on all the time while the forum runs. >> For my best knowledge, never was problem w

Re: User facing web items

2011-06-18 Thread Reizinger Zoltán
Hi Ross, 2011.06.18. 16:56 keltezéssel, Ross Gardler írta: On 18 Jun 2011, at 15:31, Andy Brown wrote: Ross Gardler wrote: If (and that's a big if) infra are willing to host software for you the license is not an issue. We won't distribute incompatibly licensed software it but we use it. T

Re: User facing web items

2011-06-18 Thread Rob Weir
On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 10:11 AM, Reizinger Zoltán wrote: > The forums have link to the terms of use: > http://openoffice.org/terms_of_use > This link was on all the time while the forum runs. > For my best knowledge, never was problem wit that. > > Now it is contain ASF 2.0 license for codes, I

Re: User facing web items

2011-06-18 Thread Ross Gardler
On 18 Jun 2011, at 15:31, Andy Brown wrote: > Ross Gardler wrote: >> If (and that's a big if) infra are willing to host software for you the >> license is not an issue. We won't distribute incompatibly licensed software >> it but we use it. The rules are to make sure users can do what ever the

Re: User facing web items

2011-06-18 Thread Andy Brown
Zoltan wrote: Hi Andy, The forums have link to the terms of use: http://openoffice.org/terms_of_use This link was on all the time while the forum runs. For my best knowledge, never was problem wit that. Now it is contain ASF 2.0 license for codes, I see no problems to licensing. Usually no sour

Re: User facing web items

2011-06-18 Thread Andy Brown
Ross Gardler wrote: If (and that's a big if) infra are willing to host software for you the license is not an issue. We won't distribute incompatibly licensed software it but we use it. The rules are to make sure users can do what ever they want with our software, when it comes to support for

Re: User facing web items

2011-06-18 Thread Reizinger Zoltán
Hi Andy, 2011.06.18. 15:46 keltezéssel, Andy Brown írta: Hi Zoltan, Zoltan wrote: 2011.06.18. 1:33 keltezéssel, Andy Brown írta: Hi Ross, Ross Gardler wrote: On 17 June 2011 00:00, Andy Brown wrote: I have seen references to "user facing" web items, web pages, wiki and mailing

Re: User facing web items

2011-06-18 Thread Ross Gardler
> Ross Gardler wrote: >>>> On 17 June 2011 00:00, Andy Brown wrote: >>>>> I have seen references to "user facing" web items, web pages, wiki and >>>>> mailing list. What will happen to the forum at >>>>> http://user.services.openoffic

Re: User facing web items

2011-06-18 Thread Andy Brown
Hi Zoltan, Zoltan wrote: 2011.06.18. 1:33 keltezéssel, Andy Brown írta: Hi Ross, Ross Gardler wrote: On 17 June 2011 00:00, Andy Brown wrote: I have seen references to "user facing" web items, web pages, wiki and mailing list. What will happen to the for

Re: User facing web items

2011-06-18 Thread Reizinger Zoltán
2011.06.18. 1:33 keltezéssel, Andy Brown írta: Hi Ross, Ross Gardler wrote: On 17 June 2011 00:00, Andy Brown wrote: I have seen references to "user facing" web items, web pages, wiki and mailing list. What will happen to the forum at http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum

RE: User facing web items

2011-06-17 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
ing threads on their topic without much pain. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Ross Gardler [mailto:rgard...@opendirective.com] Sent: Friday, June 17, 2011 16:50 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: User facing web items On 18 June 2011 00:33, Andy Brown wrote: > &qu

Re: User facing web items

2011-06-17 Thread Ross Gardler
On 18 June 2011 00:33, Andy Brown wrote: > "Is a forum the right solution today", good > question but I have seen flame wars break out over that very topic in some > mailing list.  I prefer mailing list but understand why end users prefer a > forum so I would support us keeping it. :-) Recently

Re: User facing web items

2011-06-17 Thread Andy Brown
Dave Fisher wrote: On Jun 17, 2011, at 2:59 PM, Ross Gardler wrote: On 17 June 2011 00:00, Andy Brown wrote: I have seen references to "user facing" web items, web pages, wiki and mailing list. What will happen to the forum at http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/ ? It

Re: User facing web items

2011-06-17 Thread Andy Brown
Hi Ross, Ross Gardler wrote: On 17 June 2011 00:00, Andy Brown wrote: I have seen references to "user facing" web items, web pages, wiki and mailing list. What will happen to the forum at http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/ ? It is an very useful user facing asset th

Re: User facing web items

2011-06-17 Thread Dave Fisher
On Jun 17, 2011, at 2:59 PM, Ross Gardler wrote: > On 17 June 2011 00:00, Andy Brown wrote: >> I have seen references to "user facing" web items, web pages, wiki and >> mailing list. What will happen to the forum at >> http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/foru

Re: User facing web items

2011-06-17 Thread Ross Gardler
On 17 June 2011 00:00, Andy Brown wrote: > I have seen references to "user facing" web items, web pages, wiki and > mailing list.  What will happen to the forum at > http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/ ?  It is an very useful user > facing asset that I would hate

User facing web items

2011-06-16 Thread Andy Brown
I have seen references to "user facing" web items, web pages, wiki and mailing list. What will happen to the forum at http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/ ? It is an very useful user facing asset that I would hate to see lost. If it is transfered what will be require