date:20121020

Sorry, I think I was a bit to argumentative last night, I really like your
idea

I have added a few comments below.

jan.


On 20 October 2012 00:18, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:

 On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 5:47 PM, jan iversen jancasacon...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  I think it is a good starting point, however I dont like the notation
  level 1, is looks like a graduation process, and I have to ask myself
  where am I on that latter.
 

 I don't want suggest that everyone must go through these steps.  An
 experienced open source volunteer probably would just skim this
 material.  Someone who is a Committer on another Apache project would
 probably skip over it altogether.

 The name Level 1 doesn't matter.  We can call it Stage 1, or even
 Introduction.  But there is an explicit ordering, and giving numbers
 is the natural way to express an ordering.  But I am sensitive to
 having these stages give the feeling of accomplishment without
 becoming unwelcome status markers.

Your list is quite OK, may I suggest calling help to get started, and of
course you are right about the numbering, it was the sense of having to
cross a bridge that caught me.


  1) Introduce yourself (by the way I think I have forgotten that).
 why do it on the mailling list, when Wiki ask you for more or less the
  exact same type of information.
 

 This is more for the benefit of existing project volunteers already
 subscribed to ooo-dev.  This gives them the opportunity to see who is
 getting involved.  They might recognize some names.  If so they can
 reach out to offer additional help and encouragement.


  2) I like that.
 
  3) +1, but I will never understand why it is a mailing list and not a
  forum, where it is so much easier to look at history
 

 Mailing lists are the lowest common denominator technologies.  You can
 access email from nearly any device, online or offline, using plain
 text.

 It is important to note that as a project we don't directly control
 mailing lists, websites, Bugzilla, etc., except at the level of the
 content and application admin functions.  The sysadmin functions are
 done ASF-wide by a group of volunteers that we call the Apache
 Infrastructure team.  Since they are maintaining services for over 100
 projects, there are limits to how much customization each project can
 have.  This is a consideration for maintenance as well as server
 resources and security.  So there is a something like a menu of
 tools we have access to, and which are supported by the Infra team.
 But changing the menu is more difficult.

  4+5) yes, but that has not much to do specifically with AOO.
 

 Right.  But these are practical issues that have come up with past
 volunteers.   For any such document we need to assume some initial
 skill/knowledge level.  This means those who have these skills already
 will find some items unnecessary.  This is hard to avoid.


  7) the project planning part seems a bit of a contradiction, look at
  localization planning as an example.
 

 Maybe calling it Project Coordination would be more accurate.  CWiki
 is what we've been using to coordinate the various efforts of a major
 project-wide initiative, like a specific release.   For example, we're
 using a page now to coordinate graduation-related infrastructure
 changes:
 https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Graduation+Infrastructure+Changes

I think it is wise to have coordination pages, and needed with the number
of people involved.



  Sorry for being frank, I do not want to be non-polite, but a lot of these
  items just highlight my difficulties.
 

 Nothing on this page is going to help with the current localization
 process.  I'm hoping that, with your help, we resolve that in
 parallel.

I know that, I am past most of these items, but they are important for
other volunteers, I assume you saw the list I made on l10n, and got one
very long reply related to localization.

I work quite a lot at the moment to get the proposal finished and the
l10n.openoffice.org updated.




 -Rob

  All aside, I think we are making huge steps in the right direction and
 that
  is what matters 
 
  jan.
 
 
  On 19 October 2012 22:07, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
 
  On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 12:17 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
   I am thinking about what new project volunteers need to get started.
   Obviously there are area-specific things.  For example, developers
   need to know how to download and build.  Translation volunteers need
   to understand Pootle, etc.  But there are also some basic things that
   all volunteers should probably do.
  
   Although we have all of this information (or at least most of it) on
   the website or wikis or mailing list archives, it is scattered all
   over the place.  I think it would be good if we could collect this
   information (or at least links to this information) into one place and
   put a linear order behind it, a step of specific steps we want new
   volunteers

Re: How many countries has AOO been downloaded from?

2012-10-20 Thread Ted Husted

Which begs the question: who are the four hold-outs?

On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 1:44 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
I've seen some online traffic, on Twitter and elsewhere, questioning
the claim in our graduation press release that AOO has been downloaded
by users in 228 countries. The critics of this claim say that there
are not that many countries in the world.

Well, it depends on how you define things. There are UN countries.
There are Olympic countries. There are postal countries. There are
countries with telephone country codes. And so on. These don't all
correspond with each other. (Look at the complexities with the status
of Taiwan or Macedonia, for example).

The definition used when looking at internet traffic is (not
surprisingly) internet countries, e.g., countries with an assigned
ccTLD
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Internet_top-level_domains#Country_code_top-level_domains).
In this scheme, for example, Martinique (.mq) and France (.fr) are
two different countries, although politically Martinique is an
overseas region, or région d'outre-mer, of France.

You can see the complete list of internet countries from which AOO has
been downloaded here:

http://sourceforge.net/projects/openofficeorg.mirror/files/stats/map?dates=2012-06-01+to+2012-10-19

As you can see, the number is now 232, indicating that the press
release understated the number.

Anyone who is interested can take this publicly available data and map
it to whatever other country-counting convention they wish, whether
based on UN membership, US diplomatic recognition, Universal Postal
Union, or whatever.

Regards,

-Rob

Re: AOO volunteers: essential skills and tasks

You are quite right, I might not be the typical volunteer, and it is very
important to find a hook where you can start, I had the luck that juergen
and andrea gave me a starting point.

Your list is quite ok, just lets call it something neutral, like help to
get started.

jan

On 20 October 2012 00:24, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:

 On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 6:16 PM, jan iversen jancasacon...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  I think it is important to remember, that a volunteer is not signing up
 for
  anything.
 
  A volunteer, in my view, is a person who wants to help with his/hers
  skillset...so if we start saying you have to pass level x before
 continuing
  we have already lost (At least I can relate that to myself)
 

 That might be true for you.  But I can tell you from experience that
 we've had volunteer after volunteer who have posted a note to this
 list, said they wanted to help, stuck around for a few days, and then
 were never heard of again.  They never found a hook that they could
 attach themselves to.  They never figured out how to get started.  The
 couldn't find where to get started.  The lack of accomplishment and
 progress leads to frustration, and then they are gone.

 Maybe we can find some way of expressing this without offering too
 much offense ?

 -Rob

  I have been in this business since 1975, and I have never made it through
  any of all these master classes and other exams. I am just one of the
  guys who get things done, like in the early days before tcp/ip.
 
  What I am trying to say is, let´s help people work with usthat´s what
  it´s all about, if we can help people to easier help us, then we have a
  win-win situation.
 
  And in respect of introducing myself, which I forgot please read this
  resume:
  http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/User:JanIversen
 
  jan.
 
  Jan.
 
 
 
  On 19 October 2012 23:08, Rob Weir rabas...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  On Oct 19, 2012, at 4:45 PM, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  
  
   On 10/19/2012 01:07 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
   On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 12:17 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org
 wrote:
   I am thinking about what new project volunteers need to get started.
   Obviously there are area-specific things.  For example, developers
   need to know how to download and build.  Translation volunteers need
   to understand Pootle, etc.  But there are also some basic things
 that
   all volunteers should probably do.
  
   Although we have all of this information (or at least most of it) on
   the website or wikis or mailing list archives, it is scattered all
   over the place.  I think it would be good if we could collect this
   information (or at least links to this information) into one place
 and
   put a linear order behind it, a step of specific steps we want new
   volunteers to take.
  
   Now, I can hear the objections already -- you can't tell volunteers
   what to do.  That is why they are volunteers.  You can't regiment
   them, etc.  This is true.  But at the scale we need to operate at --
   I'm aiming to attract dozens of new volunteers on the project by the
   end of the year -- we need some structure.  So what can we do to
 make
   their first 2 weeks in the project easier for them, and easier for
 us?
  
   One idea:  Think of the new volunteer startup tasks in terms of
   stages or levels, a defined set of reading and other activities
   that leads them to acquire basic skills in our community.
  
   For example:
  
   To make it more concrete, this is what Level 1 might look like:
  
   http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/orientation/level-1.html
  
   -Rob
  
   This is very good! I esp like the last part about providing a way for
  volunteers to sign up if you will. This will be a nice touch.
  
   I'm also wondering if there's some way to tie this in to our current
  Help Wanted page:
  
   https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Help+Wanted
 
  Yes, It is worth looking at the new volunteer view of things, from end
 to
  end.
 
  My current thinking is this: as we scale the number of volunteers
  we'll soon want a better way to track items like these. Maybe putting
  them into BZ would work?  Introduce a new field to record difficulty
  in BZ and filters to list unassigned easy issues?
 
  
   Maybe someone has some ideas?
  
  
   Level 1 tasks:
  
   1) Read the following web pages on the ASF, roles at Apache and the
  Apache Way
  
   2) Sign up for the following accounts that every volunteer should
   have:  ooo-announce, ooo-dev, ooo-users,  MWiki, CWiki, BZ, Forums
  
   3) Read this helpful document on hints for managing your inbox with
   rules and folders
  
   4) Read this code of conduct page on list etiquette
  
   5) Send a note to ooo-dev list and introduce yourself
  
   6) Edit this wiki page  containing project volunteers. Add your name
   and indicate that you have completed Level 1.
  
  
   Level 2 tasks:
  
   1) Using the Apache CMS in anonymous mode
  
   2) Readings on

Re: Documentation for writing addins

2012-10-20 Thread Joost Andrae


Hi Christof,

 I am trying to write an addin for AOO writer. Thank google I found a fiew

examples for additional calc functions and a bit of interface documentations
so I was able to more or less guess how the code for my writer addin should
look like.

Where I completelly am lost is on the various XML FIles. Is there any document
describing the contents of an XCU file and a description.xml? The latter is not
that much of a problem, because I can at least get enough of it from some
examples I found. The XCU fules are the bug issue.


you're probably looking for the Developer Guide:
http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/DevGuide

and the Administration Guide:
http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Administration_Guide

Maybe you've been looking for the wrong keyword 'addin' because 
'extension' might be what you're looking for. Addins in Calc just extend 
the formula base in Calc whereas Extensions extent functionality within 
the applications.


And have a look at the API documentation:
http://www.openoffice.org/api/

Kind regards, Joost

ACE12: odp-template for AOO-presentations ?

2012-10-20 Thread Rony G. Flatscher (Apache)

Hi there,

is there an odp template available for AOO presentations (employing the latest 
AOO/ASF art work) at
the upcoming Apache Con Europe 2012 in Sinsheim? If so, where can one obtain it?

TIA,

---rony

Re: AOO volunteers: essential skills and tasks

2012-10-20 Thread Sylvain DENIS


Le 19/10/12 18:17, Rob Weir a écrit :

I am thinking about what new project volunteers need to get started.
Obviously there are area-specific things.  For example, developers
need to know how to download and build.  Translation volunteers need
to understand Pootle, etc.  But there are also some basic things that
all volunteers should probably do.

Although we have all of this information (or at least most of it) on
the website or wikis or mailing list archives, it is scattered all
over the place.  I think it would be good if we could collect this
information (or at least links to this information) into one place and
put a linear order behind it, a step of specific steps we want new
volunteers to take.

Now, I can hear the objections already -- you can't tell volunteers
what to do.  That is why they are volunteers.  You can't regiment
them, etc.  This is true.  But at the scale we need to operate at --
I'm aiming to attract dozens of new volunteers on the project by the
end of the year -- we need some structure.  So what can we do to make
their first 2 weeks in the project easier for them, and easier for us?

One idea:  Think of the new volunteer startup tasks in terms of
stages or levels, a defined set of reading and other activities
that leads them to acquire basic skills in our community.

For example:

Level 1 tasks:

1) Read the following web pages on the ASF, roles at Apache and the Apache Way

2) Sign up for the following accounts that every volunteer should
have:  ooo-announce, ooo-dev, ooo-users,  MWiki, CWiki, BZ, Forums

3) Read this helpful document on hints for managing your inbox with
rules and folders

4) Read this code of conduct page on list etiquette

5) Send a note to ooo-dev list and introduce yourself

6) Edit this wiki page  containing project volunteers. Add your name
and indicate that you have completed Level 1.


Level 2 tasks:

1) Using the Apache CMS in anonymous mode

2) Readings on decision making at Apache

3) Readings on project life cycle and roles within the AOO project

4) Introduction to the various functional groups within the project:
development, qa, marketing, UX, documentation, support, localization,
etc.

5) Pick one or more functional groups that you want to help with.
Edit the volunteer wiki and list them.  Also indicate that you have
now completed Level 2.

Get the idea?  After Level 2 this then could branch off into
area-specific lists of start up tasks:  how to download and build.
How to submit patches.  How to update a translation.  How to define a
new test case.

Is any one interested in helping with this?

-Rob

hello,

I think it is a good idea to have steps

Sylvain DENIS

Need new logo for openoffice.apache.org

See upper left here:  http://openoffice.apache.org

The Incubating is integrated into the graphic.

The underlying file is here:  a PNG with transparent background.

http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/images/300x100_dj_trans.png

What do we want to do here?

1) Edit that graphic to remove Incubating?

2) Use a different graphic?

Note that the http://www.openoffice.org/ site uses a different form of
the branding.  Are we intentionally using two different logos here?
Do we want to continue this?

-Rob

Re: Need new logo for openoffice.apache.org

I really like the logo on the openOffice.org site, it is (at least to me)
more modern and eye-catching.

We should only use 1 logo, that is simpler and for the end-user more
understandable.

Jan.

On 20 October 2012 16:28, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:

 See upper left here:  http://openoffice.apache.org

 The Incubating is integrated into the graphic.

 The underlying file is here:  a PNG with transparent background.

 http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/images/300x100_dj_trans.png

 What do we want to do here?

 1) Edit that graphic to remove Incubating?

 2) Use a different graphic?

 Note that the http://www.openoffice.org/ site uses a different form of
 the branding.  Are we intentionally using two different logos here?
 Do we want to continue this?

 -Rob

Re: Need new logo for openoffice.apache.org

2012-10-20 Thread RGB ES

2012/10/20 jan iversen jancasacon...@gmail.com

 I really like the logo on the openOffice.org site, it is (at least to me)
 more modern and eye-catching.


+1



 We should only use 1 logo, that is simpler and for the end-user more
 understandable.


+1 too.

Regards
Ricardo



 Jan.

 On 20 October 2012 16:28, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:

  See upper left here:  http://openoffice.apache.org
 
  The Incubating is integrated into the graphic.
 
  The underlying file is here:  a PNG with transparent background.
 
  http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/images/300x100_dj_trans.png
 
  What do we want to do here?
 
  1) Edit that graphic to remove Incubating?
 
  2) Use a different graphic?
 
  Note that the http://www.openoffice.org/ site uses a different form of
  the branding.  Are we intentionally using two different logos here?
  Do we want to continue this?
 
  -Rob

Re: Need new logo for openoffice.apache.org

On Sat, Oct 20, 2012 at 9:28 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:

 See upper left here:  http://openoffice.apache.org

 The Incubating is integrated into the graphic.

 The underlying file is here:  a PNG with transparent background.

 http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/images/300x100_dj_trans.png

 What do we want to do here?

 1) Edit that graphic to remove Incubating?

 2) Use a different graphic?

 Note that the http://www.openoffice.org/ site uses a different form of
 the branding.  Are we intentionally using two different logos here?
 Do we want to continue this?



I am confused about having the branding all disjointed, OO is used
implemented halfway, we use Oracle brand refresh elements just on certain
parts. The brand refreshed used this:
- Symbols
- Logo
- Icons
  - application
  - modules
  - filetype

There was some big drawback on the monotone look of the filetype, but for
some unknown reason there was no implementation on the modules either.
Since, we have been keeping Application logos from 3.1, modules logos from
2.4 and filetypes of 2.0.

Specifically on the logo, we have 2 versions, one with the gulls and the
other with the orb. I am not sure if there is a representation.

There is also the issue with the fonts, where the fonts are not open, and
we currently don't have a specific vector format logo, between using
Nimbus, Liberation or Bitstreams we still dont have a good functional
specification.

My proposal is:
- Get rid of incubating
- Normalize the font-face of the logo
- Update the modules logo to the latest refresh
- Review new filetypes contribution

Rather than changing and implementing a new design, work on the proposals
to have a consistent look.



 -Rob




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PPMC Apache OpenOffice
http://es.openoffice.org

Re: Need new logo for openoffice.apache.org

2012-10-20 Thread imacat

On 2012/10/20 22:49, RGB ES said:
 2012/10/20 jan iversen jancasacon...@gmail.com
 I really like the logo on the openOffice.org site, it is (at least to me)
 more modern and eye-catching.
 +1
 We should only use 1 logo, that is simpler and for the end-user more
 understandable.
 +1 too.

I happen to have a 300x100 logo at hand, so I updated it.  Feel free
to revise it if you feel my uploaded logo is ugly.

 On 20 October 2012 16:28, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:

 See upper left here:  http://openoffice.apache.org

 The Incubating is integrated into the graphic.

 The underlying file is here:  a PNG with transparent background.

 http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/images/300x100_dj_trans.png

 What do we want to do here?

 1) Edit that graphic to remove Incubating?

 2) Use a different graphic?

 Note that the http://www.openoffice.org/ site uses a different form of
 the branding.  Are we intentionally using two different logos here?
 Do we want to continue this?

 -Rob


 

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On Sat, Oct 20, 2012 at 10:49 AM, RGB ES rgb.m...@gmail.com wrote:
 2012/10/20 jan iversen jancasacon...@gmail.com

 I really like the logo on the openOffice.org site, it is (at least to me)
 more modern and eye-catching.


 +1



 We should only use 1 logo, that is simpler and for the end-user more
 understandable.


 +1 too.


OK.  I changed the openoffice.apache.org website to use the same logo
as www.openoffice.org.

But I am sympathetic to Alexandro's view that we need across-the-board
greater consistency on branding.  We'll get there, I think, but it
will take time.

-Rob

 Regards
 Ricardo



 Jan.

 On 20 October 2012 16:28, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:

  See upper left here:  http://openoffice.apache.org
 
  The Incubating is integrated into the graphic.
 
  The underlying file is here:  a PNG with transparent background.
 
  http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/images/300x100_dj_trans.png
 
  What do we want to do here?
 
  1) Edit that graphic to remove Incubating?
 
  2) Use a different graphic?
 
  Note that the http://www.openoffice.org/ site uses a different form of
  the branding.  Are we intentionally using two different logos here?
  Do we want to continue this?
 
  -Rob

Re: Need new logo for openoffice.apache.org

On Sat, Oct 20, 2012 at 1:21 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:

On Sat, Oct 20, 2012 at 10:49 AM, RGB ES rgb.m...@gmail.com wrote:
2012/10/20 jan iversen jancasacon...@gmail.com

I really like the logo on the openOffice.org site, it is (at least to
me)
more modern and eye-catching.

We should only use 1 logo, that is simpler and for the end-user more
understandable.

+1 too.

OK. I changed the openoffice.apache.org website to use the same logo
as www.openoffice.org.

But I am sympathetic to Alexandro's view that we need across-the-board
greater consistency on branding. We'll get there, I think, but it
will take time.

-Rob

Regards
Ricardo

Jan.

On 20 October 2012 16:28, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:

See upper left here: http://openoffice.apache.org

The Incubating is integrated into the graphic.

The underlying file is here: a PNG with transparent background.

http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/images/300x100_dj_trans.png

What do we want to do here?

1) Edit that graphic to remove Incubating?

2) Use a different graphic?

Note that the http://www.openoffice.org/ site uses a different form
of
the branding. Are we intentionally using two different logos here?
Do we want to continue this?

The original discussion on the lack of color of OO3 generated different
options which were ignored, should we adopt them now?
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=112141

There was some icons donated on issuezzilla:
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=118820 (not impressed)

-Rob

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PPMC Apache OpenOffice
http://es.openoffice.org

Re: Need new logo for openoffice.apache.org

+1 to consistent branding

but I admit I cannot follow the details here it is beyond my scope :-) BUT
I trust your suggestions.

janI

On 20 October 2012 20:21, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:

 On Sat, Oct 20, 2012 at 10:49 AM, RGB ES rgb.m...@gmail.com wrote:
  2012/10/20 jan iversen jancasacon...@gmail.com
 
  I really like the logo on the openOffice.org site, it is (at least to
 me)
  more modern and eye-catching.
 
 
  +1
 
 
 
  We should only use 1 logo, that is simpler and for the end-user more
  understandable.
 
 
  +1 too.
 

 OK.  I changed the openoffice.apache.org website to use the same logo
 as www.openoffice.org.

 But I am sympathetic to Alexandro's view that we need across-the-board
 greater consistency on branding.  We'll get there, I think, but it
 will take time.

 -Rob

  Regards
  Ricardo
 
 
 
  Jan.
 
  On 20 October 2012 16:28, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
 
   See upper left here:  http://openoffice.apache.org
  
   The Incubating is integrated into the graphic.
  
   The underlying file is here:  a PNG with transparent background.
  
   http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/images/300x100_dj_trans.png
  
   What do we want to do here?
  
   1) Edit that graphic to remove Incubating?
  
   2) Use a different graphic?
  
   Note that the http://www.openoffice.org/ site uses a different form
 of
   the branding.  Are we intentionally using two different logos here?
   Do we want to continue this?
  
   -Rob

Re: Need new logo for openoffice.apache.org

2012-10-20 Thread imacat

On 2012/10/21 02:49, Alexandro Colorado said:
 On Sat, Oct 20, 2012 at 1:21 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
 On Sat, Oct 20, 2012 at 10:49 AM, RGB ES rgb.m...@gmail.com wrote:
 Well most of the artwork is done, is just a matter of doing the commit to
 the right branch. Linux has png files so they are taken from the site,
 which also has the .ico and icm for windows and mac. Besides that, I wonder
 what else would be needed.
 Example Writer:
 Linux:
 http://www.openoffice.org/ui/VisualDesign/gifs/Icons/refresh_icons/pngs/OOo_Writer_48x48.png
 Windows:
 http://www.openoffice.org/ui/VisualDesign/gifs/Icons/refresh_icons/icos/OOo_Writer.ico
 OSX: Not required
 Mime-type:
 http://www.openoffice.org/ui/VisualDesign/gifs/Icons/ODF_icons/ODF_textdocument_256x256.png

I thought we were talking about the top-left logo, not the favicon.

And, why do you choose the writer icon instead of the application icon?

 The original discussion on the lack of color of OO3 generated different
 options which were ignored, should we adopt them now?
 https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=112141
 
 There was some icons donated on issuezzilla:
 https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=118820 (not impressed)

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Re: Need new logo for openoffice.apache.org

A legal question in that respect of logo, is it legal if I write on my
personal blog that I help AOO and use the logo with a link to openoffice.org?

Jan.

On 20 October 2012 20:49, Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org wrote:

On Sat, Oct 20, 2012 at 1:21 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:

On Sat, Oct 20, 2012 at 10:49 AM, RGB ES rgb.m...@gmail.com wrote:
2012/10/20 jan iversen jancasacon...@gmail.com

I really like the logo on the openOffice.org site, it is (at least to
me)
more modern and eye-catching.

We should only use 1 logo, that is simpler and for the end-user more
understandable.

+1 too.

OK. I changed the openoffice.apache.org website to use the same logo
as www.openoffice.org.

But I am sympathetic to Alexandro's view that we need across-the-board
greater consistency on branding. We'll get there, I think, but it
will take time.

-Rob

Regards
Ricardo

Jan.

On 20 October 2012 16:28, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:

See upper left here: http://openoffice.apache.org

The Incubating is integrated into the graphic.

The underlying file is here: a PNG with transparent background.

http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/images/300x100_dj_trans.png

What do we want to do here?

1) Edit that graphic to remove Incubating?

2) Use a different graphic?

Note that the http://www.openoffice.org/ site uses a different form
of
the branding. Are we intentionally using two different logos here?
Do we want to continue this?

http://www.openoffice.org/ui/VisualDesign/gifs/Icons/refresh_icons/pngs/OOo_Writer_48x48.png
Windows:

http://www.openoffice.org/ui/VisualDesign/gifs/Icons/refresh_icons/icos/OOo_Writer.ico
OSX: Not required
Mime-type:

http://www.openoffice.org/ui/VisualDesign/gifs/Icons/ODF_icons/ODF_textdocument_256x256.png

The original discussion on the lack of color of OO3 generated different
options which were ignored, should we adopt them now?
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=112141

There was some icons donated on issuezzilla:
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=118820 (not impressed)

-Rob

--
Alexandro Colorado
PPMC Apache OpenOffice
http://es.openoffice.org

Another logo needs updating: Get it here!

http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/get-it-here.html

This logo has an integrated incubator reference in it as well.

I think Drew made the most recent version of this.

Anyone have the source, or can easily respin it without the incubator block?

Thanks!

-Rob

Re: Need new logo for openoffice.apache.org

2012-10-20 Thread Larry Gusaas

On 2012-10-20 12:49 PM Alexandro Colorado wrote:

Are you trying to eliminate the use of colour for the file icons again? I thought we had got
rid of the colourless icons imposed on the community by Oracle against the community's wishes.

Get rid of the blue orb that Oracle imposed on the community by Oracle as part of their
corporate branding. The previous logo on openoffice.apache.org was far better than the blue orb
on there now. Get rid of the designs that Oracle imposed on OpenOffice.org.

The original discussion on the lack of color of OO3 generated different
options which were ignored, should we adopt them now?
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=112141

Keep colour in the icons

There was some icons donated on issuezzilla:
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=118820 (not impressed)

They are better than the ones you linked to.

--
_

Larry I. Gusaas
Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan Canada
Website: http://larry-gusaas.com
An artist is never ahead of his time but most people are far behind theirs. -
Edgard Varese

Re: Another logo needs updating: Get it here!

If we want to have the same logo all over, respin I assume would not do the
job ?

jan.

On 20 October 2012 21:23, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:

 http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/get-it-here.html

 This logo has an integrated incubator reference in it as well.

 I think Drew made the most recent version of this.

 Anyone have the source, or can easily respin it without the incubator
 block?

 Thanks!

 -Rob

Re: Another logo needs updating: Get it here!

On Sat, Oct 20, 2012 at 3:40 PM, jan iversen jancasacon...@gmail.com wrote:
 If we want to have the same logo all over, respin I assume would not do the
 job ?


Sorry for the slang.   By respin I meant taking whatever vector
source file (SVG, perhaps) that Drew used for that button originally,
and then remove the incubator block and regenerate a bitmap for us
to put on the website.

It was intentional, at least at the time, for the Get it here!
graphic to be distinct from the official project logo.  This was to
avoid diluting the trademark.  We wanted the official project logo to
be associated with the official website.  So if users saw it they knew
they were dealing with an official project site.   We would then have
thematically-related logos that could be used for various affiliate
uses, such as on personal websites.  That was the purpose of the Get
it here! logo.

But that was then, this is now.   As I understand it now, ASF policy
has evolved in this area, and it appears permissible for websites to
use logo, provided they follow these rules:
http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/faq/#integrateswith

But IMHO, the Get it here! button is still useful, since its size
and aspect ratio, as well as the beveling, make it ideal for a
download button.

-Rob

 jan.

 On 20 October 2012 21:23, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:

 http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/get-it-here.html

 This logo has an integrated incubator reference in it as well.

 I think Drew made the most recent version of this.

 Anyone have the source, or can easily respin it without the incubator
 block?

 Thanks!

 -Rob

Re: Another logo needs updating: Get it here!

Since it seems allowed, it would be nicer to have the same logo.

I understand that we have to consider the legal aspect, but seen purely
from a users point of view, one logo means one product.

jan.


On 20 October 2012 21:56, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:

 On Sat, Oct 20, 2012 at 3:40 PM, jan iversen jancasacon...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  If we want to have the same logo all over, respin I assume would not do
 the
  job ?
 

 Sorry for the slang.   By respin I meant taking whatever vector
 source file (SVG, perhaps) that Drew used for that button originally,
 and then remove the incubator block and regenerate a bitmap for us
 to put on the website.

 It was intentional, at least at the time, for the Get it here!
 graphic to be distinct from the official project logo.  This was to
 avoid diluting the trademark.  We wanted the official project logo to
 be associated with the official website.  So if users saw it they knew
 they were dealing with an official project site.   We would then have
 thematically-related logos that could be used for various affiliate
 uses, such as on personal websites.  That was the purpose of the Get
 it here! logo.

 But that was then, this is now.   As I understand it now, ASF policy
 has evolved in this area, and it appears permissible for websites to
 use logo, provided they follow these rules:
 http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/faq/#integrateswith

 But IMHO, the Get it here! button is still useful, since its size
 and aspect ratio, as well as the beveling, make it ideal for a
 download button.

 -Rob

  jan.
 
  On 20 October 2012 21:23, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
 
  http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/get-it-here.html
 
  This logo has an integrated incubator reference in it as well.
 
  I think Drew made the most recent version of this.
 
  Anyone have the source, or can easily respin it without the incubator
  block?
 
  Thanks!
 
  -Rob

Re: Another logo needs updating: Get it here!

2012-10-20 Thread RGB ES

2012/10/20 Rob Weir robw...@apache.org

 On Sat, Oct 20, 2012 at 3:40 PM, jan iversen jancasacon...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  If we want to have the same logo all over, respin I assume would not do
 the
  job ?
 

 Sorry for the slang.   By respin I meant taking whatever vector
 source file (SVG, perhaps) that Drew used for that button originally,
 and then remove the incubator block and regenerate a bitmap for us
 to put on the website.

 It was intentional, at least at the time, for the Get it here!
 graphic to be distinct from the official project logo.  This was to
 avoid diluting the trademark.  We wanted the official project logo to
 be associated with the official website.  So if users saw it they knew
 they were dealing with an official project site.   We would then have
 thematically-related logos that could be used for various affiliate
 uses, such as on personal websites.  That was the purpose of the Get
 it here! logo.

 But that was then, this is now.   As I understand it now, ASF policy
 has evolved in this area, and it appears permissible for websites to
 use logo, provided they follow these rules:
 http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/faq/#integrateswith

 But IMHO, the Get it here! button is still useful, since its size
 and aspect ratio, as well as the beveling, make it ideal for a
 download button.

 -Rob

  jan.
 
  On 20 October 2012 21:23, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
 
  http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/get-it-here.html
 
  This logo has an integrated incubator reference in it as well.
 
  I think Drew made the most recent version of this.
 
  Anyone have the source, or can easily respin it without the incubator
  block?
 
  Thanks!
 
  -Rob
 


What about the one we use on the forums?

http://forum.openoffice.org/es/forum/styles/prosilver/imageset/AOO-download.png

It is the same from the web site plus the traditional download arrow on
top of the orb. Simple and clear.

Regards
Ricardo

Re: Another logo needs updating: Get it here!

+1

On 20 October 2012 23:09, RGB ES rgb.m...@gmail.com wrote:

 2012/10/20 Rob Weir robw...@apache.org

  On Sat, Oct 20, 2012 at 3:40 PM, jan iversen jancasacon...@gmail.com
  wrote:
   If we want to have the same logo all over, respin I assume would not do
  the
   job ?
  
 
  Sorry for the slang.   By respin I meant taking whatever vector
  source file (SVG, perhaps) that Drew used for that button originally,
  and then remove the incubator block and regenerate a bitmap for us
  to put on the website.
 
  It was intentional, at least at the time, for the Get it here!
  graphic to be distinct from the official project logo.  This was to
  avoid diluting the trademark.  We wanted the official project logo to
  be associated with the official website.  So if users saw it they knew
  they were dealing with an official project site.   We would then have
  thematically-related logos that could be used for various affiliate
  uses, such as on personal websites.  That was the purpose of the Get
  it here! logo.
 
  But that was then, this is now.   As I understand it now, ASF policy
  has evolved in this area, and it appears permissible for websites to
  use logo, provided they follow these rules:
  http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/faq/#integrateswith
 
  But IMHO, the Get it here! button is still useful, since its size
  and aspect ratio, as well as the beveling, make it ideal for a
  download button.
 
  -Rob
 
   jan.
  
   On 20 October 2012 21:23, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
  
   http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/get-it-here.html
  
   This logo has an integrated incubator reference in it as well.
  
   I think Drew made the most recent version of this.
  
   Anyone have the source, or can easily respin it without the
 incubator
   block?
  
   Thanks!
  
   -Rob
  
 

 What about the one we use on the forums?


 http://forum.openoffice.org/es/forum/styles/prosilver/imageset/AOO-download.png

 It is the same from the web site plus the traditional download arrow on
 top of the orb. Simple and clear.

 Regards
 Ricardo

Re: Another logo needs updating: Get it here!

On Sat, Oct 20, 2012 at 2:56 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:

 On Sat, Oct 20, 2012 at 3:40 PM, jan iversen jancasacon...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  If we want to have the same logo all over, respin I assume would not do
 the
  job ?
 

 Sorry for the slang.   By respin I meant taking whatever vector
 source file (SVG, perhaps) that Drew used for that button originally,
 and then remove the incubator block and regenerate a bitmap for us
 to put on the website.


Should wait for drew to answer this. I bet he has the source of everything.
Weekends are not always the best time to count on quick replies.



 It was intentional, at least at the time, for the Get it here!
 graphic to be distinct from the official project logo.  This was to
 avoid diluting the trademark.  We wanted the official project logo to
 be associated with the official website.  So if users saw it they knew
 they were dealing with an official project site.   We would then have
 thematically-related logos that could be used for various affiliate
 uses, such as on personal websites.  That was the purpose of the Get
 it here! logo.


Was tehre any documentation about this? For example the Visual Design page
on marketing did show the diferent themed logos Xmass, OOoCon, Download,
etc. Maybe on cwiki?



 But that was then, this is now.   As I understand it now, ASF policy
 has evolved in this area, and it appears permissible for websites to
 use logo, provided they follow these rules:
 http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/faq/#integrateswith

 But IMHO, the Get it here! button is still useful, since its size
 and aspect ratio, as well as the beveling, make it ideal for a
 download button.

 -Rob

  jan.
 
  On 20 October 2012 21:23, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
 
  http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/get-it-here.html
 
  This logo has an integrated incubator reference in it as well.
 
  I think Drew made the most recent version of this.
 
  Anyone have the source, or can easily respin it without the incubator
  block?
 
  Thanks!
 
  -Rob
 




-- 
Alexandro Colorado
PPMC Apache OpenOffice
http://es.openoffice.org

Re: Need new logo for openoffice.apache.org

2012-10-20 Thread Kay Schenk

On Sat, Oct 20, 2012 at 12:03 PM, jan iversen jancasacon...@gmail.comwrote:

A legal question in that respect of logo, is it legal if I write on my
personal blog that I help AOO and use the logo with a link to
openoffice.org?

Jan.

Jan--

In my opinion, the short answer is yes...see general trademark use on:

http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/#guidelines

The guidelines on the use of the Apache feather apply to the Apache
OpenOffice logo as well, *and*, it has the tm mark in it. But, do, if you
use set it up so it links to either:

http://www.openoffice.org/

-- or --

http://openoffice.apache.org

Maybe wait a day to do this to see if there are any dissenting opinions to
this, though.

On 20 October 2012 20:49, Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org wrote:

On Sat, Oct 20, 2012 at 1:21 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:

On Sat, Oct 20, 2012 at 10:49 AM, RGB ES rgb.m...@gmail.com wrote:
2012/10/20 jan iversen jancasacon...@gmail.com

I really like the logo on the openOffice.org site, it is (at least
to
me)
more modern and eye-catching.

We should only use 1 logo, that is simpler and for the end-user more
understandable.

+1 too.

OK. I changed the openoffice.apache.org website to use the same logo
as www.openoffice.org.

But I am sympathetic to Alexandro's view that we need across-the-board
greater consistency on branding. We'll get there, I think, but it
will take time.

-Rob

Regards
Ricardo

Jan.

On 20 October 2012 16:28, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:

See upper left here: http://openoffice.apache.org

The Incubating is integrated into the graphic.

The underlying file is here: a PNG with transparent background.

http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/images/300x100_dj_trans.png

What do we want to do here?

1) Edit that graphic to remove Incubating?

2) Use a different graphic?

Note that the http://www.openoffice.org/ site uses a different
form
of
the branding. Are we intentionally using two different logos
here?
Do we want to continue this?

http://www.openoffice.org/ui/VisualDesign/gifs/Icons/refresh_icons/pngs/OOo_Writer_48x48.png
Windows:

http://www.openoffice.org/ui/VisualDesign/gifs/Icons/refresh_icons/icos/OOo_Writer.ico
OSX: Not required
Mime-type:

http://www.openoffice.org/ui/VisualDesign/gifs/Icons/ODF_icons/ODF_textdocument_256x256.png

The original discussion on the lack of color of OO3 generated different
options which were ignored, should we adopt them now?
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=112141

There was some icons donated on issuezzilla:
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=118820 (not impressed)

-Rob

--
Alexandro Colorado
PPMC Apache OpenOffice
http://es.openoffice.org

MzK

Anyone who considers protocol unimportant has never
dealt with a cat.
-- Robert Heinlein

Re: Directory main/swext/mediawiki

On Sat, Oct 20, 2012 at 2:50 PM, jan iversen jancasacon...@gmail.comwrote:

 I am a bit confused.

 We have a directory named main/swext/mediawiki.

 Is that the sun wiki publisher 1.1 or are there 2 different mediawiki
 export extensions ?

 I ask because I sun wiki publisher 1.1 installed, but if I change the XLS
 and rebuilt AOO but it does not seem to have an effect.


Yes I think it was started on core, and then sent to a separate extensions.
Same thing happened with smarttags IIRC.



 Either I make a wrong assumption or life is not so simple as I would it to
 be :-)

 thanks in advance.
 jan.




-- 
Alexandro Colorado
PPMC Apache OpenOffice
http://es.openoffice.org

Re: Need new logo for openoffice.apache.org

On Sat, Oct 20, 2012 at 2:37 PM, Larry Gusaas larry.gus...@gmail.comwrote:

On 2012-10-20 12:49 PM Alexandro Colorado wrote:

Well most of the artwork is done, is just a matter of doing the commit to
the right branch. Linux has png files so they are taken from the site,
which also has the .ico and icm for windows and mac. Besides that, I
wonder
what else would be needed.
Example Writer:
Linux:
http://www.openoffice.org/ui/**VisualDesign/gifs/Icons/**
refresh_icons/pngs/OOo_Writer_**48x48.pnghttp://www.openoffice.org/ui/VisualDesign/gifs/Icons/refresh_icons/pngs/OOo_Writer_48x48.png
Windows:
http://www.openoffice.org/ui/**VisualDesign/gifs/Icons/**
refresh_icons/icos/OOo_Writer.**icohttp://www.openoffice.org/ui/VisualDesign/gifs/Icons/refresh_icons/icos/OOo_Writer.ico
OSX: Not required
Mime-type:
http://www.openoffice.org/ui/**VisualDesign/gifs/Icons/ODF_**
icons/ODF_textdocument_**256x256.pnghttp://www.openoffice.org/ui/VisualDesign/gifs/Icons/ODF_icons/ODF_textdocument_256x256.png

Are you trying to eliminate the use of colour for the file icons again? I
thought we had got rid of the colourless icons imposed on the community by
Oracle against the community's wishes.

I dont see any other work been doine on branding. Not on the wiki nor on
the website. Can you point out to a different community-builted work about
this? It make better sense to have the ones that Oracle has with the
branding it has, thant has a partially implemented work.

Get rid of the blue orb that Oracle imposed on the community by Oracle as
part of their corporate branding. The previous logo on
openoffice.apache.org was far better than the blue orb on there now. Get
rid of the designs that Oracle imposed on OpenOffice.org.

Orb has many threads already, I wonder where you were then, and wha are you
suggesting to do instead. Orb is quite well discussed here. I am not
opposed to go back to the old Sun-Impossed OpenOffice.org logo with the
gulls and blue and black, and get back the .org. But so far nobody has
really pushed this.

The original discussion on the lack of color of OO3 generated different
options which were ignored, should we adopt them now?
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/**show_bug.cgi?id=112141https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=112141

Keep colour in the icons

Colors and design are different things, did you open the attachments? They
have color on them and they look pretty opting for a circular iconset looks
much better than having half (application based icon) circular and
(document mime) squared.

There was some icons donated on issuezzilla:
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/**show_bug.cgi?id=118820https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=118820
(not impressed)

They are better than the ones you linked to.

Not really.

--
__**___

Larry I. Gusaas
Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan Canada
Website: http://larry-gusaas.com
An artist is never ahead of his time but most people are far behind
theirs. - Edgard Varese

--
Alexandro Colorado
PPMC Apache OpenOffice
http://es.openoffice.org

Re: Another logo needs updating: Get it here!

On Sat, Oct 20, 2012 at 5:09 PM, RGB ES rgb.m...@gmail.com wrote:
 2012/10/20 Rob Weir robw...@apache.org

 On Sat, Oct 20, 2012 at 3:40 PM, jan iversen jancasacon...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  If we want to have the same logo all over, respin I assume would not do
 the
  job ?
 

 Sorry for the slang.   By respin I meant taking whatever vector
 source file (SVG, perhaps) that Drew used for that button originally,
 and then remove the incubator block and regenerate a bitmap for us
 to put on the website.

 It was intentional, at least at the time, for the Get it here!
 graphic to be distinct from the official project logo.  This was to
 avoid diluting the trademark.  We wanted the official project logo to
 be associated with the official website.  So if users saw it they knew
 they were dealing with an official project site.   We would then have
 thematically-related logos that could be used for various affiliate
 uses, such as on personal websites.  That was the purpose of the Get
 it here! logo.

 But that was then, this is now.   As I understand it now, ASF policy
 has evolved in this area, and it appears permissible for websites to
 use logo, provided they follow these rules:
 http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/faq/#integrateswith

 But IMHO, the Get it here! button is still useful, since its size
 and aspect ratio, as well as the beveling, make it ideal for a
 download button.

 -Rob

  jan.
 
  On 20 October 2012 21:23, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
 
  http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/get-it-here.html
 
  This logo has an integrated incubator reference in it as well.
 
  I think Drew made the most recent version of this.
 
  Anyone have the source, or can easily respin it without the incubator
  block?
 
  Thanks!
 
  -Rob
 


 What about the one we use on the forums?

 http://forum.openoffice.org/es/forum/styles/prosilver/imageset/AOO-download.png

 It is the same from the web site plus the traditional download arrow on
 top of the orb. Simple and clear.


It certainly could be the basis of a download button. But in its
current form it is flat, not really a button.  Compare with Drew's
Get it here! button, with the beveled edges, etc.

 Regards
 Ricardo

Re: Need new logo for openoffice.apache.org

On Sat, Oct 20, 2012 at 6:00 PM, Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org wrote:
On Sat, Oct 20, 2012 at 2:37 PM, Larry Gusaas larry.gus...@gmail.comwrote:

On 2012-10-20 12:49 PM Alexandro Colorado wrote:

Are you trying to eliminate the use of colour for the file icons again? I
thought we had got rid of the colourless icons imposed on the community by
Oracle against the community's wishes.

Well, we had lengthy discussions on branding around the time of the
AOO 3.4.0 release. That is when we went with the current website
logo. But we said at that time that we'd revisit this all with the
next major release. So I think any proposals are welcome.

But speaking for myself, I'd really like to see a comprehensive
proposal, since one criticism of our current state is that we lack a
comprehensive approach. Especially for those who are not familiar
with this old logo dispute with Oracle, it would be good to put down,
in one place (the wiki) a complete proposal.

Or, even if we had the outline/template for a proposal, e.g., any
comprehensive branding proposal must define these N elements; 1, 2,
3...N. Then we can ask for proposals and discuss them. Could even
have a contest ;-)

Get rid of the blue orb that Oracle imposed on the community by Oracle as
part of their corporate branding. The previous logo on
openoffice.apache.org was far better than the blue orb on there now. Get
rid of the designs that Oracle imposed on OpenOffice.org.

Keep colour in the icons

There was some icons donated on issuezzilla:
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/**show_bug.cgi?id=118820https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=118820
(not impressed)

They are better than the ones you linked to.

Not really.

--
__**___

Larry I. Gusaas
Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan Canada
Website: http://larry-gusaas.com
An artist is never ahead of his time but most people are far behind
theirs. - Edgard Varese

--
Alexandro Colorado
PPMC Apache OpenOffice
http://es.openoffice.org

Re: Another logo needs updating: Get it here!

2012-10-20 Thread Kay Schenk




On 10/20/2012 03:12 PM, Rob Weir wrote:

On Sat, Oct 20, 2012 at 5:09 PM, RGB ES rgb.m...@gmail.com wrote:

2012/10/20 Rob Weir robw...@apache.org


On Sat, Oct 20, 2012 at 3:40 PM, jan iversen jancasacon...@gmail.com
wrote:

If we want to have the same logo all over, respin I assume would not do

the

job ?



Sorry for the slang.   By respin I meant taking whatever vector
source file (SVG, perhaps) that Drew used for that button originally,
and then remove the incubator block and regenerate a bitmap for us
to put on the website.

It was intentional, at least at the time, for the Get it here!
graphic to be distinct from the official project logo.  This was to
avoid diluting the trademark.  We wanted the official project logo to
be associated with the official website.  So if users saw it they knew
they were dealing with an official project site.   We would then have
thematically-related logos that could be used for various affiliate
uses, such as on personal websites.  That was the purpose of the Get
it here! logo.

But that was then, this is now.   As I understand it now, ASF policy
has evolved in this area, and it appears permissible for websites to
use logo, provided they follow these rules:
http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/faq/#integrateswith

But IMHO, the Get it here! button is still useful, since its size
and aspect ratio, as well as the beveling, make it ideal for a
download button.

-Rob


jan.

On 20 October 2012 21:23, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:


http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/get-it-here.html

This logo has an integrated incubator reference in it as well.

I think Drew made the most recent version of this.

Anyone have the source, or can easily respin it without the incubator
block?

Thanks!

-Rob





What about the one we use on the forums?

http://forum.openoffice.org/es/forum/styles/prosilver/imageset/AOO-download.png

It is the same from the web site plus the traditional download arrow on
top of the orb. Simple and clear.



It certainly could be the basis of a download button. But in its
current form it is flat, not really a button.  Compare with Drew's
Get it here! button, with the beveled edges, etc.


Well hopefully the source for Get it here will turn up soonish...it's 
really very nice.





Regards
Ricardo


--

MzK

Anyone who considers protocol unimportant has never
 dealt with a cat.
   -- Robert Heinlein

Re: ACE12: odp-template for AOO-presentations ?

2012-10-20 Thread Keith N. McKenna


Rony G. Flatscher (Apache) wrote:

Hi there,

is there an odp template available for AOO presentations (employing the latest 
AOO/ASF art work) at
the upcoming Apache Con Europe 2012 in Sinsheim? If so, where can one obtain it?

TIA,

---rony



If there is one available it wouldalso be a great help to me with 
documentation. I am currently reviewing the Impress Guide and there are 
a number of screen shots that should be replaces with content that 
represents the Apache OpenOffice branding.

Dmake binaries ?

Hi;

Apparently the Dmake binaries that I made available on the Dmake site don't 
work.

I think it would save some time, especially for Windows users to have a binary
installable package. Perhaps some would like to provide one?

best regards,

Pedro.

Re: Dmake binaries ?

On Oct 20, 2012, at 8:38 PM, Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org wrote:

 Hi;

 Apparently the Dmake binaries that I made available on the Dmake site don't 
 work.

 I think it would save some time, especially for Windows users to have a binary
 installable package. Perhaps some would like to provide one?


Could you be more specific?  Is it an install issue?  Is it something
we can fix with better documentation?


 best regards,

 Pedro.

Re: Dmake binaries ?

Hi Rob;

The binary was something I built on my spare time with MSVC 9.0 never used. 
I got a report that the windows executable doesn't work and that it doesn't 
build with MSVC 2010.

I deprecated the windows binary package: apparently there is demand as there 
were around 1000
downloads. 


Dmake is in need of real love. More documentation is welcome but the main 
problem is that I just don't care about it. 

cheers,

Pedro.





 From: Rob Weir rabas...@gmail.com
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org 
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 7:48 PM
Subject: Re: Dmake binaries ?
 
On Oct 20, 2012, at 8:38 PM, Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org wrote:

 Hi;

 Apparently the Dmake binaries that I made available on the Dmake site don't 
 work.

 I think it would save some time, especially for Windows users to have a 
 binary
 installable package. Perhaps some would like to provide one?


Could you be more specific?  Is it an install issue?  Is it something
we can fix with better documentation?


 best regards,

 Pedro.

Re: Need new logo for openoffice.apache.org

On Sat, Oct 20, 2012 at 5:17 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:

On Sat, Oct 20, 2012 at 6:00 PM, Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org wrote:
On Sat, Oct 20, 2012 at 2:37 PM, Larry Gusaas larry.gus...@gmail.com
wrote:

On 2012-10-20 12:49 PM Alexandro Colorado wrote:

Windows:
http://www.openoffice.org/ui/**VisualDesign/gifs/Icons/**
refresh_icons/icos/OOo_Writer.**ico
http://www.openoffice.org/ui/VisualDesign/gifs/Icons/refresh_icons/icos/OOo_Writer.ico

OSX: Not required
Mime-type:
http://www.openoffice.org/ui/**VisualDesign/gifs/Icons/ODF_**
icons/ODF_textdocument_**256x256.png
http://www.openoffice.org/ui/VisualDesign/gifs/Icons/ODF_icons/ODF_textdocument_256x256.png

Are you trying to eliminate the use of colour for the file icons again?
I
thought we had got rid of the colourless icons imposed on the community
by
Oracle against the community's wishes.

I dont see any other work been doine on branding. Not on the wiki nor on
the website. Can you point out to a different community-builted work
about
this? It make better sense to have the ones that Oracle has with the
branding it has, thant has a partially implemented work.

I remember the process, but the discussions AFAIK weren't as lengthy, even
less with the application as a whole. I actually think there was more chaos
on OOo 2.4 wireframe gull. I remember a lot of designers put a good ammount
of proposals and the winner was none of them. This made the community very
upset:
http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Art/OOo3_Design
http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Art/Gallery/OOo3_Splash_Screen

Just to mention, Nicu submit a good wealth of splashscreen:
http://ooo.nicubunu.ro/splash_gallery/?gallery=ooo

Granted the term splashscreen didn't mean brand, or iconset.

That said I am aware of the horrible time that the Branding Guidelines took
to be set in place, almost 6 months after working with Oracle. But is a
testimony of how intense and thorough this work most be to take to create
Visual Design, and guidelines. That is why I am not so into just changing
the logo for sakes of it, without the proper specs and documentation behind
it. Oracle decision (whether we like it or not) push the idea of
white-blue theme with gradients, and have it on a grayscale except for the
orb. Having a mixbag of 2.4 and 3.0 just makes it look bad and stalled IMO.

Get rid of the blue orb that Oracle imposed on the community by Oracle
as
part of their corporate branding. The previous logo on
openoffice.apache.org was far better than the blue orb on there now.
Get
rid of the designs that Oracle imposed on OpenOffice.org.

Orb has many threads already, I wonder where you were then, and wha are
you
suggesting to do instead. Orb is quite well discussed here. I am not
opposed to go back to the old Sun-Impossed OpenOffice.org logo with the
gulls and blue and black, and get back the .org. But so far nobody has
really pushed this.

The original discussion on the lack of color of OO3 generated different
options which were ignored, should we adopt them now?
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/**show_bug.cgi?id=112141
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=112141

Keep colour in the icons

Colors and design are different things, did you open the attachments?
They
have color on them and they look pretty opting for a circular iconset
looks
much better than having half (application based icon) circular and
(document mime) squared.

There was some icons donated on issuezzilla:
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/**show_bug.cgi?id=118820
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=118820 (not

Re: Dmake binaries ?

On Sat, Oct 20, 2012 at 9:16 PM, Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org wrote:
 Hi Rob;

 The binary was something I built on my spare time with MSVC 9.0 never used.
 I got a report that the windows executable doesn't work and that it doesn't 
 build with MSVC 2010.


Which issue is it?  I don't see one that matches this description here:

http://code.google.com/a/apache-extras.org/p/dmake/issues/list

 I deprecated the windows binary package: apparently there is demand as there 
 were around 1000
 downloads.


 Dmake is in need of real love. More documentation is welcome but the main 
 problem is that I just don't care about it.


According to the change log. nothing has changed in Dmake since
February:  http://code.google.com/a/apache-extras.org/p/dmake/source/list

What are we using for Windows release builds of 3.4.0 and 3.4.1?
Surely there was something that worked?  And if the code hasn't
changed since February, then why is there a problem now.

I'm obviously missing something.

-Rob

 cheers,

 Pedro.





 From: Rob Weir rabas...@gmail.com
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 7:48 PM
Subject: Re: Dmake binaries ?

On Oct 20, 2012, at 8:38 PM, Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org wrote:

 Hi;

 Apparently the Dmake binaries that I made available on the Dmake site don't 
 work.

 I think it would save some time, especially for Windows users to have a 
 binary
 installable package. Perhaps some would like to provide one?


Could you be more specific?  Is it an install issue?  Is it something
we can fix with better documentation?


 best regards,

 Pedro.

Re: Need new logo for openoffice.apache.org

[snip]


 But speaking for myself, I'd really like to see a comprehensive
 proposal, since one criticism of our current state is that we lack a
 comprehensive approach.  Especially for those who are not familiar
 with this old logo dispute with Oracle, it would be good to put down,
 in one place (the wiki) a complete proposal.


 That said I am aware of the horrible time that the Branding Guidelines
 took to be set in place, almost 6 months after working with Oracle. But is
 a testimony of how intense and thorough this work most be to take to create
 Visual Design, and guidelines.



FYI this is some structure to the brand refresh by oracle, it includes a
good overview of all the things that need to be modified before starting to
work on a new proposal.
http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Application_Rebranding_-_Project_Home_Page

Creation of a Spec

   - Startcenter
  - Usability aspects
  - lack of color
  - design language
   - splashscreen
   - Icon Themes (Industrial, Crystal, etc)
  - mh: there some coordination with art teams of kde and gnome is
  desired for some of the document icons with the icon themes
   - Other UI Graphics
  - put on hold, waiting for further input
   - Default Styles (templates, fonts)
  - put on hold, wait for more input from Ivan
  - some relation to User Experience/Improving OOo Default
Settingshttp://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/User_Experience/Improving_OOo_Default_Settings
  - general definitions of fonts for branding is not in scope for this
  effort, bedipp: subteam for this, rosana: should be part of the branding
  guidelines



-- 
Alexandro Colorado
PPMC Apache OpenOffice
http://es.openoffice.org

Re: Dmake binaries ?



--- Sab 20/10/12, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org ha scritto:

 
 Pedro Giffuni wrote:
  Hi Rob;
 
  The binary was something I built on my spare time with
 MSVC 9.0 never used.
  I got a report that the windows executable doesn't work
 and that it doesn't build with MSVC 2010.
 
 
 Which issue is it?  I don't see one that matches this
 description here:
 
 http://code.google.com/a/apache-extras.org/p/dmake/issues/list
 
It was reported by direct email. I solved it by removing the previous windows 
binary.

  I deprecated the windows binary package: apparently
 there is demand as there were around 1000
  downloads.
 
 
  Dmake is in need of real love. More documentation is
 welcome but the main problem is that I just don't care about
 it.
 
 
 According to the change log. nothing has changed in Dmake
 since
 February:  http://code.google.com/a/apache-extras.org/p/dmake/source/list
 
 What are we using for Windows release builds of 3.4.0 and
 3.4.1?
 Surely there was something that worked?  And if the
 code hasn't
 changed since February, then why is there a problem now.


I use 4.12.2 regularly. AOO uses 4.12.
  
 I'm obviously missing something.
 

This is not a problem for OpenOffice since we build from source but people 
would like to have a binary version. I wont be providing any unless someone 
contributes it.


Pedro.

[WWW] Web development in CMS

A few ideas were brought up for custom webapp development. The option of
doing this within the current framework was brought up. I wonder how
easy/hard is to write a CRUD application using what we already have in the
OO server.

Regards.

-- 
Alexandro Colorado
PPMC Apache OpenOffice
http://es.openoffice.org

Re: [WWW] Web development in CMS

2012-10-20 Thread Joe Schaefer

Not that old saw again, please.

 From: Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org
To: OOoDEV ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org 
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 10:17 PM
Subject: [WWW] Web development in CMS

A few ideas were brought up for custom webapp development. The option of
doing this within the current framework was brought up. I wonder how
easy/hard is to write a CRUD application using what we already have in the
OO server.

Regards.

-- 
Alexandro Colorado
PPMC Apache OpenOffice
http://es.openoffice.org

Re: Need new logo for openoffice.apache.org

2012-10-20 Thread Kevin Grignon

KG01 - see comments inline. 

On Oct 21, 2012, at 10:04 AM, Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org wrote:

 [snip]
 
 
 But speaking for myself, I'd really like to see a comprehensive
 proposal, since one criticism of our current state is that we lack a
 comprehensive approach.  Especially for those who are not familiar
 with this old logo dispute with Oracle, it would be good to put down,
 in one place (the wiki) a complete proposal.
 
 
 That said I am aware of the horrible time that the Branding Guidelines
 took to be set in place, almost 6 months after working with Oracle. But is
 a testimony of how intense and thorough this work most be to take to create
 Visual Design, and guidelines.
 
 

KG01 - creating a visual identity spec can be slot of work, and does require a 
comprehensive approach  

However, I propose we try and keep it simple and focus on what we need. For 
example, start with an inventory of what we have, set some goals and go from 
there. 

I have some concepts I will share. 



 
 FYI this is some structure to the brand refresh by oracle, it includes a
 good overview of all the things that need to be modified before starting to
 work on a new proposal.
 http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Application_Rebranding_-_Project_Home_Page
 
 Creation of a Spec
 
   - Startcenter
  - Usability aspects
  - lack of color
  - design language
   - splashscreen
   - Icon Themes (Industrial, Crystal, etc)
  - mh: there some coordination with art teams of kde and gnome is
  desired for some of the document icons with the icon themes
   - Other UI Graphics
  - put on hold, waiting for further input
   - Default Styles (templates, fonts)
  - put on hold, wait for more input from Ivan
  - some relation to User Experience/Improving OOo Default
 Settingshttp://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/User_Experience/Improving_OOo_Default_Settings
  - general definitions of fonts for branding is not in scope for this
  effort, bedipp: subteam for this, rosana: should be part of the branding
  guidelines
 
 
 
 -- 
 Alexandro Colorado
 PPMC Apache OpenOffice
 http://es.openoffice.org

Re: Dmake binaries ?

On Sat, Oct 20, 2012 at 10:10 PM, Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org wrote:


 --- Sab 20/10/12, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org ha scritto:


 Pedro Giffuni wrote:
  Hi Rob;
 
  The binary was something I built on my spare time with
 MSVC 9.0 never used.
  I got a report that the windows executable doesn't work
 and that it doesn't build with MSVC 2010.
 

 Which issue is it?  I don't see one that matches this
 description here:

 http://code.google.com/a/apache-extras.org/p/dmake/issues/list

 It was reported by direct email. I solved it by removing the previous 
 windows binary.


Since your original note says you are no longer interested in
maintaining Dmake it would be good if you could either add this defect
report or ask the reporter of the issue to add it.

And you solved absolutely nothing by deprecating the Windows binary
that is needed for building AOO 3.4.1, especially when you notice that
it has been downloaded 1000 times.   I fail to see your logic in this.

  I deprecated the windows binary package: apparently
 there is demand as there were around 1000
  downloads.
 
 
  Dmake is in need of real love. More documentation is
 welcome but the main problem is that I just don't care about
 it.
 

 According to the change log. nothing has changed in Dmake
 since
 February:  http://code.google.com/a/apache-extras.org/p/dmake/source/list

 What are we using for Windows release builds of 3.4.0 and
 3.4.1?
 Surely there was something that worked?  And if the
 code hasn't
 changed since February, then why is there a problem now.


 I use 4.12.2 regularly. AOO uses 4.12.

 I'm obviously missing something.


 This is not a problem for OpenOffice since we build from source but people 
 would like to have a binary version. I wont be providing any unless someone 
 contributes it.


Didn't you just say that it no longer builds from source?

I'm not asking you to do any hard, Pedro.  Just don't delete the stuff
that works and which is dependency for AOO 3.4.1.

Put your axe away.

-Rob


 Pedro.

Re: Dmake binaries ?