Re: What is needed for Support Forums to be fully integrated into the Apache OpenOffice.org project

2011-09-07 Thread Pedro Giffuni
I have huge respect for the forums and the efforts the admins of this systems do to make OO cool. I admit that I don't understand well how they can fit in the Apache's structure (afaict it has never been done) so I do share a lot of the doubts that Rob has: if the forums are to be supported offic

Re: [OT] What is needed for Support Forums to be fully integrated into the Apache OpenOffice.org project

2011-09-07 Thread Rory O'Farrell
At the present time Hagar has chosen to appear under a pseudnym for what seem to him good reasons. Members of the Forum on this list accept ths persona and have no doubt about the postings to this list from that persona being genuine. There is no requirement _at this time_ for him to appear _i

Re: [OT] What is needed for Support Forums to be fully integrated into the Apache OpenOffice.org project

2011-09-07 Thread eric b
Dennis, Le 8 sept. 11 à 01:11, Dennis E. Hamilton a écrit : Eric, I understand that it disturbs you that you don't know Hagar's "real" name. That is perfectly clear. What I don't understand is what you expect to see done about it. A healthy community, and clean rules. Hagar confess

Re: What is needed for Support Forums to be fully integrated into the Apache OpenOffice.org project

2011-09-07 Thread toki
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/06/2011 12:10 PM, Pedro Giffuni wrote: > You can't blame Rob for a decision that Terry took on his own. Whilst it was Terry's choice, Rob's attitude was quite literally : "I don't care about how the forum used to be run, or why it was run that

Re: Dissatisfaction amongst the community admins, moderators and volunteers

2011-09-07 Thread eric b
Hi, Le 8 sept. 11 à 01:04, Dave Fisher a écrit : Honestly this seems like mailing lists are an awful way to take decision. Someones votes will be swamped by the hundred of other emails comenting and flamewaring making the vote completely disappeared. We need better software to account th

Re: [wiki] Migration - A TerryE Clipping Collection [LONG]

2011-09-07 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
--- On Wed, 9/7/11, Dave Fisher wrote: ... > > > > Please hold your horses. Terry is not here, he is in > > his way to Greece, and we are just exploring the few > > options that are left. > > > > Conversion from MW to confluence may be painful for > > us but hopefully would be much easier for in

Re: [wiki] Migration - A TerryE Clipping Collection [LONG]

2011-09-07 Thread Matt Richards
Well, whatever direction this goes.. Getting a the information on Apache grear is a great step. On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 11:05 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: > > On Sep 7, 2011, at 8:47 PM, Pedro F. Giffuni wrote: > > > > > --- On Wed, 9/7/11, Alexandro Colorado wrote: > > .. > >> > >> I also have not kep

Re: [wiki] Migration - A TerryE Clipping Collection [LONG]

2011-09-07 Thread Dave Fisher
On Sep 7, 2011, at 8:47 PM, Pedro F. Giffuni wrote: > > --- On Wed, 9/7/11, Alexandro Colorado wrote: > .. >> >> I also have not kept up with the discussion but reading >> Terry's comments there seem to be a very huge task to >> migrate out of Mediawiki. However then I see that "due >> to lack

Re: Concerns about all PDL website material

2011-09-07 Thread Dave Fisher
On Sep 7, 2011, at 8:41 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: > Hi Dennis, > > On Sep 7, 2011, at 8:02 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > >> I would still not touch anything. Let's migrate/preserve first, keep it >> running for users in place (when we cut over), and then figure out what to >> do when it is al

Re: [wiki] Migration - A TerryE Clipping Collection [LONG]

2011-09-07 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
--- On Wed, 9/7/11, Alexandro Colorado wrote: .. > > I also have not kept up with the discussion but reading > Terry's comments there seem to be a very huge task to > migrate out of Mediawiki. However then I see that "due > to lack of Mediawiki support - we are moving to > Confluence". > Isnt thi

Re: Concerns about all PDL website material

2011-09-07 Thread Dave Fisher
Hi Dennis, On Sep 7, 2011, at 8:02 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > I would still not touch anything. Let's migrate/preserve first, keep it > running for users in place (when we cut over), and then figure out what to do > when it is all in our custody. I would add that we need to adjust polici

Re: [repo] External sources, ICU (was: Who wants to build OpenOffice?)

2011-09-07 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
--- On Wed, 9/7/11, Eike Rathke wrote: OK, I accept your reasoning. ... > > > There is also interest in using icu-regex for > > replacing the copyleft regex and the latest > > versions seem to have improved a lot. > > Of course, but upgrading ICU at this stage for a 3.4 > release IMHO is not an

RE: Concerns about all PDL website material

2011-09-07 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
I would still not touch anything. Let's migrate/preserve first, keep it running for users in place (when we cut over), and then figure out what to do when it is all in our custody. Are you pursuing a conversion to Confluence or are you just talking about the static web pages? - Dennis -

RE: Concerns about all PDL website material

2011-09-07 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
One more response then I am going to feed the cats their dinner and then watch a movie. Since the web site is not part of a podling release, I think there is room to maneuver. The web site can be audited and sanitized in plenty of time for graduation, it seems to me. That seems preferable

Re: Bug reporting, handling rules

2011-09-07 Thread Daniel Shahaf
Rob Weir wrote on Wed, Sep 07, 2011 at 21:18:31 -0400: > I'd recommend handling this via respectful discussion with the user on > the list, expressing your concerns. Do me a favor and quit making those implications. We ARE having a discussion with the user.

RE: [wiki] Migration - A TerryE Clipping Collection [LONG]

2011-09-07 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Alexandro, I would follow Terry's advice and bring over the MediaWiki as close to as-is as we can make it, when we are ready to substitute for the one running beneath OpenOffice.org. What works for me is that the attention to risk management and especially removing front-loading from the proje

Re: 回复: [DISCUSS][wiki] Migration (was Re: Who Wants to build OpenOffice?)

2011-09-07 Thread Dave Fisher
Hi JingDong Cheng! Welcome to the list! FYI - I saw in another thread that the Chinese forum may have been fixed today. Please check it out! Regards, Dave On Sep 7, 2011, at 7:21 PM, 陈京东 wrote: > Hi Dennis, > > Thank you so much! This email has answered my question why I can't visit the > C

回复: [DISCUSS][wiki] Migration (was Re: Who Wants to build OpenOffice?)

2011-09-07 Thread 陈京东
Hi Dennis, Thank you so much! This email has answered my question why I can't visit the Chinese community forum of Apache OOo. At present Apache OOo is a test instance, and it is in the stage of the cut over and definition, for me it is pretty normal not to browse the Chinese Forum page. Of co

RE: Bug reporting, handling rules

2011-09-07 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
These are "From:" addresses. That is not how they were sent. They are apparently sent from ooofo...@free.fr. I am not clear what the point is. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Daniel Shahaf [mailto:d...@daniel.shahaf.name] Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 16:06 To: Dave Fisher

RE: Dissatisfaction amongst the community admins, moderators and volunteers

2011-09-07 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
My understanding is that a single -1 from a committer is a veto only on a lazy consensus. That's been rare so far (i.e., clearly-identified [PROPOSE/DISCUSS] lazy consensus thread and watch the discussion), although we have completed two lazy consensus achievements recently. It is good when th

RE: Concerns about all PDL website material

2011-09-07 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Dave, thanks for the additional detail and identifying your concerns. I am not sure that there being lost paperwork is anything we can do something about. I think it is safer to assume that there was no paperwork. It appears that the document I looked at is authored by third parties. Licenses

Re: [OT] What is needed for Support Forums to be fully integrated into the Apache OpenOffice.org project

2011-09-07 Thread Andrew Douglas Pitonyak
On 09/07/2011 05:39 PM, eric b wrote: Hi ** , Le 7 sept. 11 à 22:03, Hagar Delest a écrit : Le mar. 06 sept. 2011 17:36:10 CEST, eric b a écrit : No, Hagar introduced his pseudo, not himself. I wonder how we can trust people we don't know the identity ? Regards, Eric First note that

Re: Bug reporting, handling rules

2011-09-07 Thread Dave Fisher
On Sep 7, 2011, at 6:18 PM, Rob Weir wrote: > On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 4:29 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: >> Prior to this post this person was using o...@athena.apache.org >> >> How are either of these real or valid? Is this post coming from the test >> forum? >> >> Shouldn't a moderator turn this su

Re: Bug reporting, handling rules

2011-09-07 Thread Rob Weir
On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 4:29 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: > Prior to this post this person was using o...@athena.apache.org > > How are either of these real or valid? Is this post coming from the test > forum? > > Shouldn't a moderator turn this subscription off? (or not allow it in?) > I'm a list mode

Re: Concerns about all PDL website material

2011-09-07 Thread Dave Fisher
Hi Rob, I'll bite and reply, but then let's let the world revolve before either of us replies. :-) It's getting interesting. On Sep 7, 2011, at 5:30 PM, Rob Weir wrote: > On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 7:11 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton > wrote: >> Dave, >> >> It would seem that these (few, I believe we'r

Re: Concerns about all PDL website material

2011-09-07 Thread Dave Fisher
On Sep 7, 2011, at 5:27 PM, Simon Phipps wrote: > > On 8 Sep 2011, at 01:08, Dave Fisher wrote: >> >> No, I am not touching the PDL license. I mean that on pages where I cannot >> find a filled an initial writer to acknowledge with their copyright, I will >> have no copyright, not even the Ap

Re: Concerns about all PDL website material

2011-09-07 Thread TJ Frazier
Hi, Rob, On 9/7/2011 20:24, Rob Weir wrote: H... As I understand it, a work is copyrighted from the time it is created. We might not know who owns the copyright. But that is different than saying it has no copyright. A work might be anonymous and copyrighted, or have an author we cannot

Re: [repo] External sources, ICU

2011-09-07 Thread Eike Rathke
Hi Mathias, On Wednesday, 2011-09-07 23:49:51 +0200, Mathias Bauer wrote: > > I don't see why the current ICU 4.0.1 needed to be updated, what "issues > > with headers" are you referring? > > The IP of some of our i18n files is unclear and someone (you?) pointed > out that they have been copied

Re: [repo] External sources, ICU (was: Who wants to build OpenOffice?)

2011-09-07 Thread Eike Rathke
Hi Pedro, On Wednesday, 2011-09-07 14:19:50 -0700, Pedro F. Giffuni wrote: > > I don't see why the current ICU 4.0.1 needed to be updated, > > what "issues with headers" are you referring? > > I am not sure exactly when the ICU license changed but > the first ICU versions had a restrictive licen

Re: Concerns about all PDL website material

2011-09-07 Thread Rob Weir
On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 7:11 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > Dave, > > It would seem that these (few, I believe we're told) can be handled the same > as unclear provenance anywhere in the code base and its dependencies. > I've heard in some other threads the thought that we shouldn't worry about

Re: Concerns about all PDL website material

2011-09-07 Thread Simon Phipps
On 8 Sep 2011, at 01:08, Dave Fisher wrote: > > No, I am not touching the PDL license. I mean that on pages where I cannot > find a filled an initial writer to acknowledge with their copyright, I will > have no copyright, not even the Apache copyright. If we cannot ascertain the > copyright ho

Re: Dissatisfaction amongst the community admins, moderators and volunteers

2011-09-07 Thread Dave Fisher
Hi Simon - There are significant advantages to top posting when carefully done. Let's end this thread, and hope that one of the forum proposal threads is restarted with some restatement of someone's understanding of where a consensus might be. We were getting somewhere with a pragmatic approac

Re: Concerns about all PDL website material

2011-09-07 Thread Rob Weir
aOn Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 8:08 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: > Hi Rob, > > On Sep 7, 2011, at 4:59 PM, Rob Weir wrote: > >> On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 7:57 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: >>> Hi Dennis, >>> >>> I am under impression that the license for everything on OOo is PDL, yet >>> almost nothing fulfills the te

Re: Dissatisfaction amongst the community admins, moderators and volunteers

2011-09-07 Thread Simon Phipps
On 8 Sep 2011, at 00:04, Dave Fisher wrote: > > +1, they are when a few individuals dominate the conversation making it > difficult for consensus to build or solutions to be defined. Instead we went > round and round. Agreed. It would be wonderful if responses could amplify the part of proposa

Re: [wiki] Migration - A TerryE Clipping Collection [LONG]

2011-09-07 Thread Alexandro Colorado
On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 6:02 PM, Kay Schenk wrote: > Dennis-- > > Thanks very much for sending this. I discovered that Terry had actually > done a great job of documenting what had already occurred and some thoughts > on what needed to be done on this wiki page... > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/

Re: Concerns about all PDL website material

2011-09-07 Thread Dave Fisher
Hi Rob, On Sep 7, 2011, at 4:59 PM, Rob Weir wrote: > On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 7:57 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: >> Hi Dennis, >> >> I am under impression that the license for everything on OOo is PDL, yet >> almost nothing fulfills the terms. >> >> Copyrights are with the Initial Writer. If I can fi

Re: QUASTE working?

2011-09-07 Thread Dave Fisher
On Sep 7, 2011, at 4:50 PM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: > My question is if QUASTE is on a working box because I cant access it at the > time. I wonder if it's just temporary down and not permanently down. Unlike earlier when I had trouble. ping quaste.services.openoffice.org PING quaste.services

Re: Concerns about all PDL website material

2011-09-07 Thread Rob Weir
On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 7:57 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: > Hi Dennis, > > I am under impression that the license for everything on OOo is PDL, yet > almost nothing fulfills the terms. > > Copyrights are with the Initial Writer. If I can find an Initial Writer I > will mark it - pretty much only in ta

Re: Concerns about all PDL website material

2011-09-07 Thread Dave Fisher
Hi Dennis, I am under impression that the license for everything on OOo is PDL, yet almost nothing fulfills the terms. Copyrights are with the Initial Writer. If I can find an Initial Writer I will mark it - pretty much only in tags although that is whose OOo back in 2000/2002 created or chan

Re: QUASTE working?

2011-09-07 Thread Alexandro Colorado
My question is if QUASTE is on a working box because I cant access it at the time. I wonder if it's just temporary down and not permanently down. Thanks for missconstructing my email. On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 6:00 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: > Hi Guys, > > Apache has various build services: > > http:/

Re: QUASTE working?

2011-09-07 Thread Dave Fisher
On Sep 7, 2011, at 4:09 PM, Raphael Bircher wrote: > Hi Dave > > This is not a buildbot or samething like that. This is the VCL Testtool. It's > a Tool witch is designed to run Testcase fully automaticly. It's similar to a > User interact with OOo. So it's a Gui function test. Jenkins (forked

Re: QUASTE working?

2011-09-07 Thread Alexandro Colorado
On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 6:12 PM, Raphael Bircher wrote: > Am 08.09.11 01:08, schrieb Andrea Pescetti: > > Raphael Bircher wrote: >> >>> I'm actualy not sure if we realy want to use Quaste. Quaste was a >>> special tool for our automated tests. >>> >> >> Yes, but recently it had included TCM, the

Re: [LINUX-BUILD] Details on my Ubuntu 11.04 experience

2011-09-07 Thread Rob Weir
On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 5:57 PM, Mathias Bauer wrote: > Am 07.09.2011 19:27, schrieb Rob Weir: > >> I did this a couple of days ago, but ran into some issues that others >> had not come across, so I decided to repeat it. I wiped out the >> machine, and started fresh with new 11.04 Ubuntu machine.  

Re: Can not visit the Chinese Community Forum!

2011-09-07 Thread drew
On Tue, 2011-09-06 at 16:37 +0800, 陈京东 wrote: > Hi Terry and all, > > I have got to know we are migrating OOo forum to the Apache Infrastructure, > and have accomplished several Community Forums, including the Japanese, but > when I want to access to the Chinese Community Forum, an error appears

Re: [OT] What is needed for Support Forums to be fully integrated into the Apache OpenOffice.org project

2011-09-07 Thread Shane Curcuru
On 9/7/2011 5:39 PM, eric b wrote: Hi ** , Le 7 sept. 11 à 22:03, Hagar Delest a écrit : ...snip a bunch of snippy comments... The question is imho very important : is it allowed to cheat with the identity, inside the Apache Foundation ? I sincerily expect the answer is no. Is it allowe

Re: QUASTE working?

2011-09-07 Thread Raphael Bircher
Am 08.09.11 01:08, schrieb Andrea Pescetti: Raphael Bircher wrote: I'm actualy not sure if we realy want to use Quaste. Quaste was a special tool for our automated tests. Yes, but recently it had included TCM, the very important tool to track the (manual) community testing: http://wiki.servi

RE: [OT] What is needed for Support Forums to be fully integrated into the Apache OpenOffice.org project

2011-09-07 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Eric, I understand that it disturbs you that you don't know Hagar's "real" name. That is perfectly clear. What I don't understand is what you expect to see done about it. Hagar confesses to using a pseudonym and chooses not disclose his "real" name. I don't know anyone here who can do anyt

RE: Concerns about all PDL website material

2011-09-07 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Dave, It would seem that these (few, I believe we're told) can be handled the same as unclear provenance anywhere in the code base and its dependencies. The ideal time to clean these up would be when the site is under the OpenOffice.org domain name but actually hosted on Apache infrastructure

Re: QUASTE working?

2011-09-07 Thread Raphael Bircher
Hi Dave This is not a buildbot or samething like that. This is the VCL Testtool. It's a Tool witch is designed to run Testcase fully automaticly. It's similar to a User interact with OOo. So it's a Gui function test. Greetings Raphael Am 08.09.11 01:00, schrieb Dave Fisher: Hi Guys, Apache

Re: QUASTE working?

2011-09-07 Thread Andrea Pescetti
Raphael Bircher wrote: I'm actualy not sure if we realy want to use Quaste. Quaste was a special tool for our automated tests. Yes, but recently it had included TCM, the very important tool to track the (manual) community testing: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/TCM_Integration_to_QU

Re: [wiki] Migration - A TerryE Clipping Collection [LONG]

2011-09-07 Thread Kay Schenk
Dennis-- Thanks very much for sending this. I discovered that Terry had actually done a great job of documenting what had already occurred and some thoughts on what needed to be done on this wiki page... https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Community+Wiki+Services So, I took

Re: Bug reporting, handling rules

2011-09-07 Thread Daniel Shahaf
Dave Fisher wrote on Wed, Sep 07, 2011 at 13:29:43 -0700: > Prior to this post this person was using o...@athena.apache.org > > How are either of these real or valid? Is this post coming from the test > forum? > athena and nike are the MX servers for the 'apache.org.' domain. > Shouldn't a mod

Re: Dissatisfaction amongst the community admins, moderators and volunteers

2011-09-07 Thread Dave Fisher
On Sep 7, 2011, at 3:57 PM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: > On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 9:42 AM, Rob Weir wrote: > >> On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 10:27 AM, Reizinger Zoltán >> wrote: >> >> >>> Why you think the volunteers and admins will join to this list, if you >> not >>> makes any steps into the other

Re: QUASTE working?

2011-09-07 Thread Dave Fisher
Hi Guys, Apache has various build services: http://ci.apache.org/ Regards, Dave On Sep 7, 2011, at 3:52 PM, Raphael Bircher wrote: > Hi Alexandro > > Am 08.09.11 00:32, schrieb Alexandro Colorado: >> I can't access QUASTe, I hope this is not the lost box that was in the >> planet. >> Regards.

Re: Dissatisfaction amongst the community admins, moderators and volunteers

2011-09-07 Thread Alexandro Colorado
On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 9:42 AM, Rob Weir wrote: > On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 10:27 AM, Reizinger Zoltán > wrote: > > > > Why you think the volunteers and admins will join to this list, if you > not > > makes any steps into the other directions? > > > > I'm assuming the volunteers and admins want po

Re: QUASTE working?

2011-09-07 Thread Raphael Bircher
Hi Alexandro Am 08.09.11 00:32, schrieb Alexandro Colorado: I can't access QUASTe, I hope this is not the lost box that was in the planet. Regards. I'm actualy not sure if we realy want to use Quaste. Quaste was a special tool for our automated tests. But they never worked well outside SUN. A

Re: Dissatisfaction amongst the community admins, moderators and volunteers

2011-09-07 Thread Dave Fisher
Who exactly are you? Please stop posting from a completely bogus email while spoofing a non-existing apache.org email address. Regards, Dave On Sep 7, 2011, at 1:53 PM, FR web forum wrote: >> Indeed. I have 1743 posts on the old forums, but last one was on >> December 2007, /almost four years

QUASTE working?

2011-09-07 Thread Alexandro Colorado
I can't access QUASTe, I hope this is not the lost box that was in the planet. Regards. -- *Alexandro Colorado* *OpenOffice.org* Español http://es.openoffice.org fingerprint: E62B CF77 1BEA 0749 C0B8 50B9 3DE6 A84A 68D0 72E6

Re: [LINUX-BUILD] Details on my Ubuntu 11.04 experience

2011-09-07 Thread Mathias Bauer
Am 07.09.2011 19:27, schrieb Rob Weir: > I did this a couple of days ago, but ran into some issues that others > had not come across, so I decided to repeat it. I wiped out the > machine, and started fresh with new 11.04 Ubuntu machine. I tried to > follow the build instructions literally and cop

Re: [repo] External sources, ICU

2011-09-07 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
--- On Wed, 9/7/11, Mathias Bauer wrote: ... > > The IP of some of our i18n files is unclear and someone > (you?) pointed out that they have been copied from ICU. > We should clean that up. But that is not related to the > ICU external tarball. > Hmm.. I thought we could use the same headers int

Re: [repo] External sources, ICU

2011-09-07 Thread Mathias Bauer
Am 07.09.2011 22:44, schrieb Eike Rathke: > Hi Pedro, > > On Wednesday, 2011-09-07 14:24:26 -0500, Pedro Giffuni wrote: > >> On Wed, 07 Sep 2011 20:46:17 +0200, Mathias Bauer >> wrote: >> >Am 07.09.2011 18:21, schrieb Pedro F. Giffuni: >> >>The external sources include a lot of stuff that is >>

[OT] What is needed for Support Forums to be fully integrated into the Apache OpenOffice.org project

2011-09-07 Thread eric b
Hi ** , Le 7 sept. 11 à 22:03, Hagar Delest a écrit : Le mar. 06 sept. 2011 17:36:10 CEST, eric b a écrit : No, Hagar introduced his pseudo, not himself. I wonder how we can trust people we don't know the identity ? Regards, Eric First note that I'm not a PPMC or haven't any other ro

Re: Who wants to build OpenOffice?

2011-09-07 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
Hi; --- On Wed, 9/7/11, James Steinbraker wrote: > I am a OOo user and have been wanting > to ask but have not had the time. Does anyone know when > version 3.4 may be released for broad user consumption? That > is my only question. But I do understand that the code needs > to be correct before r

Re: Concerns about all PDL website material

2011-09-07 Thread Dave Fisher
On Sep 7, 2011, at 2:16 PM, Rob Weir wrote: > On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 4:44 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: >> I am stuck on a licensing issue with the OpenOffice.org website and I begin >> to doubt if can do much with it other than rehost and correct obvious >> changes in policy. >> >> Please look at h

Re: Bug reporting, handling rules

2011-09-07 Thread Dave Fisher
Anonymous emails from pseudonyms with invalid email addresses. Here is the header and "nike.apache.org" did handle the email. Delivered-To: mailing list ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 28127 invoked by uid 99); 7 Sep 2011 17:54:19 - Received: from nike.apache.org (HELO nike.apac

Re: [repo] External sources, ICU (was: Who wants to build OpenOffice?)

2011-09-07 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
--- On Wed, 9/7/11, Eike Rathke wrote: > > I don't see why the current ICU 4.0.1 needed to be updated, > what "issues with headers" are you referring? > >   Eike > I am not sure exactly when the ICU license changed but the first ICU versions had a restrictive license. We have some code from IC

Re: Concerns about all PDL website material

2011-09-07 Thread Rob Weir
On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 4:44 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: > I am stuck on a licensing issue with the OpenOffice.org website and I begin > to doubt if can do much with it other than rehost and correct obvious changes > in policy. > > Please look at http://www.openoffice.org/licenses/PDL.html > > (Whethe

Re: Dissatisfaction amongst the community admins, moderators and volunteers

2011-09-07 Thread Jean Weber
On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 12:04, Rob Weir wrote: > On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 9:38 PM, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak > wrote: >> >> >> On 09/04/2011 02:23 PM, Rob Weir wrote: >>> >>> On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 1:34 PM, Terry Ellison >>>  wrote: On 04/09/11 18:01, Rob Weir wrote: > > On Sun, Sep

RE: Bug reporting, handling rules

2011-09-07 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Yes "FR web forum" is apparently operating pseudonymously *and* anonymously. Those mails often copied ooofo...@free.fr also, and I switched to replying to thatthat until I realized that I was simply cross-posting to yet-another list. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Dave Fisher [mail

Re: Dissatisfaction amongst the community admins, moderators and volunteers

2011-09-07 Thread FR web forum
>Indeed. I have 1743 posts on the old forums, but last one was on >December 2007, /almost four years ago/: since then I only participated >on the new forums. What's wrong with that? It's worse for me. ;-) I have post 7 messages on oooforum.org since nov. 2005 Fortunately, I catch up in the FR forum

Concerns about all PDL website material

2011-09-07 Thread Dave Fisher
I am stuck on a licensing issue with the OpenOffice.org website and I begin to doubt if can do much with it other than rehost and correct obvious changes in policy. Please look at http://www.openoffice.org/licenses/PDL.html (Whether the PDL is category A for Apache is a follow up, but there is

[repo] External sources, ICU (was: Who wants to build OpenOffice?)

2011-09-07 Thread Eike Rathke
Hi Pedro, On Wednesday, 2011-09-07 14:24:26 -0500, Pedro Giffuni wrote: > On Wed, 07 Sep 2011 20:46:17 +0200, Mathias Bauer > wrote: > >Am 07.09.2011 18:21, schrieb Pedro F. Giffuni: > >>The external sources include a lot of stuff that is > >>outdated and there may even be security risks involve

Re: Dissatisfaction amongst the community admins, moderators and volunteers

2011-09-07 Thread RGB ES
2011/9/7 Larry Gusaas : > On 2011-09-06 8:04 PM  Rob Weir wrote: >> >> On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 9:38 PM, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak >>  wrote: >>> >>> On 09/04/2011 02:23 PM, Rob Weir wrote: If you do not own the hardware, the domain name and the trademark, then you are operating at the

Re: [LINUX-BUILD] Details on my Ubuntu 11.04 experience

2011-09-07 Thread Eike Rathke
Hi Rob, On Wednesday, 2011-09-07 13:27:14 -0400, Rob Weir wrote: > sudo apt-get build-dep openoffice.org > > But that finds 5 dependencies: Yep, Ubuntu at some version switched to LibreOffice, the openoffice.org dependency probably is only a transitional package. > sudo apt-get build-dep libr

Re: openoffice.org is nonresponsive

2011-09-07 Thread Dave Fisher
Actually it is a problem with google-analytics requests on www.openoffice.org. -1 on google-analytics On Sep 7, 2011, at 1:34 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: > It's working slightly better, oracle's dns must be having issues and is > working better for you. > > On Sep 7, 2011, at 11:51 AM, Alexandro Co

Re: Proposal: Forum integration

2011-09-07 Thread Hagar Delest
Le mar. 06 sept. 2011 15:13:02 CEST, drew a écrit : On Tue, 2011-09-06 at 14:56 -0400, Rob Weir wrote: On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 2:45 PM, drew wrote: On Tue, 2011-09-06 at 14:28 -0400, Rob Weir wrote: On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 2:19 PM, drew wrote: Not necessarily - there is the a very granular r

Re: openoffice.org is nonresponsive

2011-09-07 Thread Dave Fisher
It's working slightly better, oracle's dns must be having issues and is working better for you. On Sep 7, 2011, at 11:51 AM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: > I dont experience any issue so far I have been using the site all day > without lag. > > On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 1:41 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: >

Re: [DISCUSS] Is it worth looking at Confluence Wiki Again?

2011-09-07 Thread drew
On Wed, 2011-09-07 at 12:50 -0700, Kay Schenk wrote: > On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 6:38 PM, Pedro F. Giffuni wrote: > > > Hello; > > > > --- On Tue, 9/6/11, Dave Fisher wrote: > > > > > Pedro has already gone over to check > > > with Infrastructure about doing a test. > > > > > ... > > > > > > Regards

Re: Bug reporting, handling rules

2011-09-07 Thread Dave Fisher
Prior to this post this person was using o...@athena.apache.org How are either of these real or valid? Is this post coming from the test forum? Shouldn't a moderator turn this subscription off? (or not allow it in?) Regards, Dave On Sep 7, 2011, at 11:44 AM, Daniel Shahaf wrote: > Don't set yo

Re: What is needed for Support Forums to be fully integrated into the Apache OpenOffice.org project

2011-09-07 Thread Hagar Delest
Le mar. 06 sept. 2011 17:36:10 CEST, eric b a écrit : No, Hagar introduced his pseudo, not himself. I wonder how we can trust people we don't know the identity ? Regards, Eric First note that I'm not a PPMC or haven't any other role for the moment in ASF. The key persons in the forums and s

Re: [DISCUSS] Is it worth looking at Confluence Wiki Again?

2011-09-07 Thread Kay Schenk
On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 6:38 PM, Pedro F. Giffuni wrote: > Hello; > > --- On Tue, 9/6/11, Dave Fisher wrote: > > > Pedro has already gone over to check > > with Infrastructure about doing a test. > > > ... > > > > Regards, > > Dave > > > > Yes, here is the post I sent to the infrastructure guys. >

Re: [LINUX-BUILD] Developer Education -- Building on Linux event starts now

2011-09-07 Thread Pavel Janík
> AFAIK source_config is the only way to get build.pl to look outside the > "main" repository/directory, so it is necessary. > > given that we now have a more fixed directory layout with the SVN repo, > i guess it should be possible to hardcode the path to the "extras" > directory and have configu

Re: [LINUX-BUILD] Developer Education -- Building on Linux event starts now

2011-09-07 Thread Michael Stahl
On 07.09.2011 21:08, Pavel Janík wrote: >> it seems Eike has already committed your suggestion :) >> >> well, i don't care that much either way... as long as we can get a >> working --with-lang build :) > > Yup. And that should be done now. > > Right now, we have to test if need source_config fil

Re: openoffice.org is nonresponsive

2011-09-07 Thread Matt Richards
parts of it were not working so great for me yesterday, but that appears to have cleared up today. On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 1:51 PM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: > I dont experience any issue so far I have been using the site all day > without lag. > > On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 1:41 PM, Dave Fisher wrot

Re: Who wants to build OpenOffice?

2011-09-07 Thread Pedro Giffuni
On Wed, 07 Sep 2011 20:46:17 +0200, Mathias Bauer wrote: Am 07.09.2011 18:21, schrieb Pedro F. Giffuni: FWIW, The external sources include a lot of stuff that is outdated and there may even be security risks involved. Sure, but replacing that with newer versions usually needs to adjust or

Re: Who wants to build OpenOffice?

2011-09-07 Thread James Steinbraker
I am a OOo user and have been wanting to ask but have not had the time. Does anyone know when version 3.4 may be released for broad user consumption? That is my only question. But I do understand that the code needs to be correct before releasing it. - Original Message - From: Mathi

Re: [LINUX-BUILD] Developer Education -- Building on Linux event starts now

2011-09-07 Thread eric b
Le 7 sept. 11 à 19:10, Michael Stahl a écrit : On 07.09.2011 13:49, eric b wrote: Hi Michael, thanks for your feedback :) hi Eric, sorry, apparently i was writing in too much of a hurry earlier today to mention that i had already committed my (partial) fix to SVN. Ok. it's almost t

Re: [LINUX-BUILD] Developer Education -- Building on Linux event starts now

2011-09-07 Thread Pavel Janík
> it seems Eike has already committed your suggestion :) > > well, i don't care that much either way... as long as we can get a > working --with-lang build :) Yup. And that should be done now. Right now, we have to test if need source_config file and then we should be done with the first step.

Re: Need a volunteer for the Bugzilla templates

2011-09-07 Thread Matt Richards
thought so, but tried that the other day and it wasn't working. On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 1:47 PM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: > On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 1:40 PM, Matt Richards wrote: > > > I have started to take a look into this, I am wondering is there a screen > > shot or a way I can see how the old

Re: [LINUX-BUILD] Developer Education -- Building on Linux event starts now

2011-09-07 Thread Michael Stahl
On 07.09.2011 20:49, Michael Stahl wrote: > On 07.09.2011 20:19, Pavel Janík wrote: > now, which way do you prefer? it seems Eike has already committed your suggestion :) well, i don't care that much either way... as long as we can get a working --with-lang build :) > regards, > michael

Re: [LINUX-BUILD] Developer Education -- Building on Linux event starts now

2011-09-07 Thread Mathias Bauer
Hi Oliver, the smoketest fails because we don't allow assertions in it. Unfortunately debug builds trigger some additional assertions that usually don't happen. OTOH this particular one is dispensable. It's possible that I already turned it into a "trace" in the cws mba34issues01, I don't remember

Re: Who wants to build OpenOffice?

2011-09-07 Thread Mathias Bauer
Hi Pedro, the build system has a simple mechanism to download all tarballs from an external URL. As Rob described, this happens automatically on "bootstrapping" the build system. (Once downloaded the first time you can reuse the stuff in later builds with the "--with-external-tar" switch.) This w

Re: openoffice.org is nonresponsive

2011-09-07 Thread Alexandro Colorado
I dont experience any issue so far I have been using the site all day without lag. On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 1:41 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: > Well - openoffice.org is not responsive. > > Everything is on hold again. > > Dave > -- *Alexandro Colorado* *OpenOffice.org* Español http://es.openoffice.o

Re: [LINUX-BUILD] Developer Education -- Building on Linux event starts now

2011-09-07 Thread Michael Stahl
On 07.09.2011 20:19, Pavel Janík wrote: > Hi, > >> sorry, apparently i was writing in too much of a hurry earlier today to >> mention that i had already committed my (partial) fix to SVN. >> >> it's almost the same as yours, except i've taught gbuild to live without >> RepositoryFixes.mk (empty on

Re: Need a volunteer for the Bugzilla templates

2011-09-07 Thread Alexandro Colorado
On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 1:40 PM, Matt Richards wrote: > I have started to take a look into this, I am wondering is there a screen > shot or a way I can see how the old bugzilla looked? > is on the OOo site http://openoffice.org/bugzilla/ > > On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 12:11 PM, Alexandro Colorado

Re: Who wants to build OpenOffice?

2011-09-07 Thread Mathias Bauer
Am 07.09.2011 18:21, schrieb Pedro F. Giffuni: > FWIW, > > The external sources include a lot of stuff that is > outdated and there may even be security risks involved. Sure, but replacing that with newer versions usually needs to adjust or at least test code. We shouldn't do that now, 3.4 shoul

Re: Bug reporting, handling rules

2011-09-07 Thread Daniel Shahaf
Don't set your From address to an @nike.apache.org address. Set it to a real email address. FR web forum wrote on Wed, Sep 07, 2011 at 19:53:44 +0200: > > > >On OOo QA site can be found three page > http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html > http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_ha

Re: [code][repo] Integration of CWSs

2011-09-07 Thread Mathias Bauer
Am 07.09.2011 18:47, schrieb Marcus (OOo): > Am 09/07/2011 03:43 PM, schrieb Eike Rathke: >> On Wednesday, 2011-09-07 00:28:29 +0200, Mathias Bauer wrote: >> | So, we can choose: | | x) first identify and remove license incompatible code to be pointed to |clashes when the C

Re: [LINUX-BUILD] Details on my Ubuntu 11.04 experience

2011-09-07 Thread David McKay
On 07/09/2011 18:55, Matt Richards wrote: Oh.. Yeah... I forgot when I attempted my initial configure I had to run it a few times and install some additional packages. Glad you were able to Document some of them. On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 12:27 PM, Rob Weir wriote: I did this a couple of days ag

openoffice.org is nonresponsive

2011-09-07 Thread Dave Fisher
Well - openoffice.org is not responsive. Everything is on hold again. Dave

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