Re: Umbrella projects

2011-09-13 Thread Jürgen Schmidt
On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 7:24 PM, Eike Rathke o...@erack.de wrote: Hi Simon, On Monday, 2011-09-12 13:31:13 +0100, Simon Phipps wrote: The reality is likely to be somewhere in-between. For example, the PT-BR localisation of OOo was the subject of extensive discussion in Portuguese about

Re: Umbrella projects

2011-09-13 Thread Marcus (OOo)
Am 09/13/2011 11:46 AM, schrieb Jürgen Schmidt: On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 7:24 PM, Eike Rathkeo...@erack.de wrote: Hi Simon, On Monday, 2011-09-12 13:31:13 +0100, Simon Phipps wrote: The reality is likely to be somewhere in-between. For example, the PT-BR localisation of OOo was the subject

Re: Umbrella projects

2011-09-13 Thread Andrew Rist
On 9/13/2011 2:46 AM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 7:24 PM, Eike Rathke o...@erack.de wrote: Hi Simon, On Monday, 2011-09-12 13:31:13 +0100, Simon Phipps wrote: The reality is likely

Umbrella projects

2011-09-12 Thread Ross Gardler
The ASF does not like umbrella projects. We used to have them, but they lead to hierarchical structures that make oversight difficult and confuse the decision making process. OOo is such a large project it will almost certainly become an umbrella project, of sorts. We are already seeing

Re: Umbrella projects

2011-09-12 Thread Rob Weir
On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 6:50 AM, Ian Lynch ianrly...@gmail.com wrote: On 12 September 2011 10:55, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: The ASF does not like umbrella projects. We used to have them, but they lead to hierarchical structures that make oversight difficult and confuse

Re: Umbrella projects

2011-09-12 Thread Ross Gardler
On 12 September 2011 12:34, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote: On 12 Sep 2011, at 10:55, Ross Gardler wrote: We need to manage this carefully. A Japanes language list to ensure non-English speaking people are able to participate in the project is fine. A Japanese language list for

Re: Umbrella projects

2011-09-12 Thread Simon Phipps
[Recombining the thread] On 12 Sep 2011, at 12:43, Ross Gardler wrote: On 12 September 2011 12:34, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote: On 12 Sep 2011, at 10:55, Ross Gardler wrote: We need to manage this carefully. A Japanes language list to ensure non-English speaking people are able

Re: Umbrella projects

2011-09-12 Thread Joe Schaefer
. From: Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 8:31 AM Subject: Re: Umbrella projects [Recombining the thread] On 12 Sep 2011, at 12:43, Ross Gardler wrote: On 12 September 2011 12:34, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com

Re: Umbrella projects

2011-09-12 Thread Ian Lynch
On 12 September 2011 13:31, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote: [Recombining the thread] On 12 Sep 2011, at 12:43, Ross Gardler wrote: On 12 September 2011 12:34, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote: On 12 Sep 2011, at 10:55, Ross Gardler wrote: We need to manage this carefully.

Re: Umbrella projects

2011-09-12 Thread Ian Lynch
: Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 8:31 AM Subject: Re: Umbrella projects [Recombining the thread] On 12 Sep 2011, at 12:43, Ross Gardler wrote: On 12 September 2011 12:34, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote: On 12 Sep

Re: Umbrella projects

2011-09-12 Thread Ross Gardler
: Umbrella projects [Recombining the thread] On 12 Sep 2011, at 12:43, Ross Gardler wrote: On 12 September 2011 12:34, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote: On 12 Sep 2011, at 10:55, Ross Gardler wrote: We need to manage this carefully. A Japanes language list to ensure non-English speaking

Re: Umbrella projects

2011-09-12 Thread Joe Schaefer
From: Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org; Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 9:05 AM Subject: Re: Umbrella projects On 12 September 2011 13:41, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote

Re: Umbrella projects

2011-09-12 Thread Rob Weir
On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 8:31 AM, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote: [Recombining the thread] On 12 Sep 2011, at 12:43, Ross Gardler wrote: On 12 September 2011 12:34, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote: On 12 Sep 2011, at 10:55, Ross Gardler wrote: We need to manage this carefully. A

Re: Umbrella projects

2011-09-12 Thread Joe Schaefer
- Original Message - From: Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Cc: Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 9:58 AM Subject: Re: Umbrella projects On 12 Sep 2011, at 14:12, Rob Weir wrote: It would be useful if you explained what you meant by autonomy

Re: Umbrella projects

2011-09-12 Thread Rob Weir
On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 10:33 AM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote: - Original Message - From: Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Cc: Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 9:58 AM Subject: Re: Umbrella projects On 12 Sep 2011, at 14:12, Rob

Re: Umbrella projects

2011-09-12 Thread Joe Schaefer
- Original Message - From: Rob Weir robw...@apache.org To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Cc: Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 10:42 AM Subject: Re: Umbrella projects On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 10:33 AM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote: - Original Message

Re: Umbrella projects

2011-09-12 Thread Ian Lynch
:58 AM Subject: Re: Umbrella projects On 12 Sep 2011, at 14:12, Rob Weir wrote: It would be useful if you explained what you meant by autonomy so it is clear about what you are talking about. Autonomy in the case of a localisation would mean being free to create releases

Re: Umbrella projects

2011-09-12 Thread Ross Gardler
On 12 September 2011 15:33, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote: - Original Message - From: Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Cc: Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 9:58 AM Subject: Re: Umbrella projects On 12 Sep 2011, at 14:12, Rob Weir wrote

Re: Umbrella projects

2011-09-12 Thread Rob Weir
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Cc: Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 9:58 AM Subject: Re: Umbrella projects On 12 Sep 2011, at 14:12, Rob Weir wrote:  It would be useful if you explained what you meant by autonomy so it  is clear about what you are talking about. Autonomy

Re: Umbrella projects

2011-09-12 Thread Joe Schaefer
- Original Message - From: Donald Whytock dwhyt...@gmail.com To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Cc: Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 11:07 AM Subject: Re: Umbrella projects On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 10:42 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: Why not just send the ballot to ooo

Re: Umbrella projects

2011-09-12 Thread Rob Weir
On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 11:38 AM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote: - Original Message - From: Donald Whytock dwhyt...@gmail.com To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Cc: Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 11:07 AM Subject: Re: Umbrella projects On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 10:42 AM

Re: Umbrella projects

2011-09-12 Thread Ross Gardler
AM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote: - Original Message - From: Donald Whytock dwhyt...@gmail.com To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Cc: Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 11:07 AM Subject: Re: Umbrella projects On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 10:42 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org

Re: Umbrella projects

2011-09-12 Thread Ian Lynch
: Donald Whytock dwhyt...@gmail.com To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Cc: Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 11:07 AM Subject: Re: Umbrella projects On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 10:42 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: Why not just send the ballot to ooo-commits in Sumerian? I should

Re: Umbrella projects

2011-09-12 Thread Joe Schaefer
- Original Message - From: Rob Weir robw...@apache.org To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Cc: Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 12:08 PM Subject: Re: Umbrella projects On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 11:38 AM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote: - Original Message

Re: Umbrella projects

2011-09-12 Thread Marcus (OOo)
Am 09/12/2011 06:08 PM, schrieb Rob Weir: On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 11:38 AM, Joe Schaeferjoe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote: - Original Message - From: Donald Whytockdwhyt...@gmail.com To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Cc: Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 11:07 AM Subject: Re: Umbrella

Re: Umbrella projects

2011-09-12 Thread Eike Rathke
Hi Simon, On Monday, 2011-09-12 13:31:13 +0100, Simon Phipps wrote: The reality is likely to be somewhere in-between. For example, the PT-BR localisation of OOo was the subject of extensive discussion in Portuguese about exactly how to translate various aspects of the UI, none of which

Re: Umbrella projects

2011-09-12 Thread Michael Stahl
On 12.09.2011 18:08, Rob Weir wrote: But I'll propose a simpler solution. We should make it easy to nominate and approve releases of language packs and full installs based on already approved source releases. All we need is some indication from an expert that a given translation was ready.

Re: Umbrella projects

2011-09-12 Thread Tor Lillqvist
BrOffice(.org) is a very strong brand and community, probably the largest and most influential OOo/LibO community in the world. I think you are unaware of the latest developments (or then I am unaware, which of course is more likely). Anyway, for LibreOffice 3.3 (I think it was) we indeed went