Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Help!

[Diane Disbro]

Thank you, Benjamin!

Diane Disbro
Branch Manager/Circulation Coordinator
Union Branch
Scenic Regional Library
308 Hawthorne Drive
Union, MO 63084
(636) 583-3224
ddis...@scenicregional.org



On Sat, Dec 22, 2018 at 10:43 AM Benjamin Kalish 
wrote:

> Off the top of my head:
>
>- Much, much faster for regular circulation functions
>- Keyboard functionality inherited from the browser means you can use
>the keyboard more and the mouse less if you choose
>- Many pages have dependable URLs that can be bookmarked
>- No software to download and install
>- Working with multiple tabs or windows is much easier
>
> Benjamin Kalish
> Forbes Library / 413-587-1012 / bkal...@forbeslibrary.org
>
> Support Forbes Library:
>
>- Consider giving a gift  to
>Forbes Library
>- Vote for the Friends of Forbes in the Florence Bank Community Grant
>Program .
>- Join the Friends the Forbes today
>!
>
>
> Currently reading: *The Daughter of Time *by Josephine Tey
> Just Finished:* Akata Witch *by Nnedi Okorafor
>
> For information about accessibility at the library, please see:
> http://forbeslibrary.org/accessibility/
>
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 9:15 AM Diane Disbro 
> wrote:
>
>> Good morning -
>>
>> I've been charged with creating bullet points showing how Webby is an
>> improvement over XUL. Please. Fill my inbox with bullet points.
>>
>> Thank you.
>> Diane Disbro
>> Branch Manager/Circulation Coordinator
>> Union Branch
>> Scenic Regional Library
>> 308 Hawthorne Drive
>> Union, MO 63084
>> (636) 583-3224
>> ddis...@scenicregional.org
>>
>>

Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Help!

[Benjamin Kalish]

Off the top of my head:

   - Much, much faster for regular circulation functions
   - Keyboard functionality inherited from the browser means you can use
   the keyboard more and the mouse less if you choose
   - Many pages have dependable URLs that can be bookmarked
   - No software to download and install
   - Working with multiple tabs or windows is much easier

Benjamin Kalish
Forbes Library / 413-587-1012 / bkal...@forbeslibrary.org

Support Forbes Library:

   - Consider giving a gift  to Forbes
   Library
   - Vote for the Friends of Forbes in the Florence Bank Community Grant
   Program .
   - Join the Friends the Forbes today !


Currently reading: *The Daughter of Time *by Josephine Tey
Just Finished:* Akata Witch *by Nnedi Okorafor

For information about accessibility at the library, please see:
http://forbeslibrary.org/accessibility/



On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 9:15 AM Diane Disbro 
wrote:

> Good morning -
>
> I've been charged with creating bullet points showing how Webby is an
> improvement over XUL. Please. Fill my inbox with bullet points.
>
> Thank you.
> Diane Disbro
> Branch Manager/Circulation Coordinator
> Union Branch
> Scenic Regional Library
> 308 Hawthorne Drive
> Union, MO 63084
> (636) 583-3224
> ddis...@scenicregional.org
>
>

Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Help with reports - need end of year stats - can't get data - blank report

[Walz, Jennifer]

Elizabeth,

Thanks!   This is very helpful.

Jennifer

From: Open-ils-general 
[mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of 
Thomsen, Elizabeth
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 11:18 AM
To: Evergreen Discussion Group
Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Help with reports - need end of year stats - 
can't get data - blank report

Glad you found your answer!

Report templates can be complicated, and it's not always easy to understand 
what each element of the template means, especially if you don't use the same 
templates frequently. We've found it useful to add field hints and links to 
local documentation to the report templates.  This was an enhancement in 
Release 2.7:
https://esilibrary.com/documentation/2-7-enhancements-to-reports/

It takes a little time to set these up, but it saves time in the long run  and 
promotes consistency in reports.

--
Elizabeth B. Thomsen
Member Services Manager
NOBLE: North of Boston Library Exchange
Danvers, Mass.
www.noblenet.org<http://www.noblenet.org>

Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Help with reports - need end of year stats - can't get data - blank report

[Willis, Beth]

Jennifer,

Sounds like you have figured out why your report was blank.  To see the
report SQL, when viewing your report output, just click on the "Debugging
info" link.

Beth

On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 10:10 AM, Walz, Jennifer  wrote:

> Chris,
>
>
>
> I was trying to do that yesterday and I don’t remember how to find that.
>   It was a long and messy day.
>
>
>
> I’ll try to find it and post that back to you.   Could be that Brent’s
> suggestion is what the problem is on one front though.   Just reverse the
> dates.  Grief!   Why is that?
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
> Jennifer
>
>
>
> *From:* Open-ils-general [mailto:
> open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] *On Behalf Of *Chris
> Sharp
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 29, 2016 7:29 PM
> *To:* Evergreen Discussion Group
> *Subject:* Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Help with reports - need end of year
> stats - can't get data - blank report
>
>
>
> Jennifer,
>
> If you can post the "Generated SQL" section of the Debugging Info in the
> report output, I can probably help.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Chris
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 7:10 PM, Brent Mills 
> wrote:
>
> Jennifer,
>
>
>
> And there is a ‘canned’ report from Equinox that is Count Items Added by
> Date Range.But nothing ever comes out.  I just get a blank.   I’ve
> tried all kinds of date ranges and don’t know what is wrong.
>
>
>
> Have you tried putting the older date range value in the first section of
> the between? I think that’s been an issue with a few of our date range
> reports.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -Brent
>
>
>
> -
>
> Brent Mills
> Systems Librarian | Sage Library System
>
> email: br...@hoodriverlibrary.org
> tickets: https://sagesupport.eou.edu
> phone: 541.610.8384
>
>
>
> On Jun 29, 2016, at 1:47 PM, Walz, Jennifer  wrote:
>
>
>
> And there is a ‘canned’ report from Equinox that is Count Items Added by
> Date Range.But nothing ever comes out.  I just get a blank.   I’ve
> tried all kinds of date ranges and don’t know what is wrong.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Chris Sharp
>
> PINES System Administrator
>
> Georgia Public Library Service
>
> 1800 Century Place, Suite 150
>
> Atlanta, Georgia 30345
> (404) 235-7147
>



-- 
Beth Willis
Digital & Catalog Librarian
NOBLE, Inc.
26 Cherry Hill Drive
Danvers, MA 01923

Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Help with reports - need end of year stats - can't get data - blank report

[Thomsen, Elizabeth]

Glad you found your answer!

Report templates can be complicated, and it's not always easy to understand
what each element of the template means, especially if you don't use the
same templates frequently. We've found it useful to add field hints and
links to local documentation to the report templates.  This was an
enhancement in Release 2.7:
https://esilibrary.com/documentation/2-7-enhancements-to-reports/

It takes a little time to set these up, but it saves time in the long run
 and promotes consistency in reports.

-- 
Elizabeth B. Thomsen
Member Services Manager
NOBLE: North of Boston Library Exchange
Danvers, Mass.
www.noblenet.org

Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Help with reports - need end of year stats - can't get data - blank report

[Mike Rylander]

Jennifer,

It does this because a range goes from first (earliest) to last (latest).
That is true for any "between" (range) query, regardless of the data type.

Hope that helps.

Regards,

Mike Rylander

--   Sent from my phone, please pardon my thumbs.
 | President
 | Equinox Software, Inc. / The Open Source Experts
 | phone:  1-877-OPEN-ILS (673-6457)
 | email:  mi...@esilibrary.com
 | web:  http://www.esilibrary.com
On Jun 30, 2016 10:22 AM, "Walz, Jennifer"  wrote:

> Brent,
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
>   This did it.Whew.  I thought maybe I was going nuts. WHY does it
> do this? And can some instruction be listed someplace?
>
>
>
>   Just wondering.   Now to figure out how many Titles we added last year.
> Ha!
>
>
>
> Jennifer
>
>
>
> *From:* Open-ils-general [mailto:
> open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] *On Behalf Of *Brent
> Mills
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 29, 2016 7:10 PM
> *To:* Evergreen Discussion Group
> *Subject:* Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Help with reports - need end of year
> stats - can't get data - blank report
>
>
>
> Jennifer,
>
>
>
> And there is a ‘canned’ report from Equinox that is Count Items Added by
> Date Range.But nothing ever comes out.  I just get a blank.   I’ve
> tried all kinds of date ranges and don’t know what is wrong.
>
>
>
> Have you tried putting the older date range value in the first section of
> the between? I think that’s been an issue with a few of our date range
> reports.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -Brent
>
>
>
> -
>
> Brent Mills
> Systems Librarian | Sage Library System
>
> email: br...@hoodriverlibrary.org
> tickets: https://sagesupport.eou.edu
> phone: 541.610.8384
>
>
>
> On Jun 29, 2016, at 1:47 PM, Walz, Jennifer  wrote:
>
>
>
> And there is a ‘canned’ report from Equinox that is Count Items Added by
> Date Range.But nothing ever comes out.  I just get a blank.   I’ve
> tried all kinds of date ranges and don’t know what is wrong.
>
>
>

Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Help with reports - need end of year stats - can't get data - blank report

[Walz, Jennifer]

Brent,

Thanks!

  This did it.Whew.  I thought maybe I was going nuts. WHY does it do 
this? And can some instruction be listed someplace?

  Just wondering.   Now to figure out how many Titles we added last year.  Ha!

Jennifer

From: Open-ils-general 
[mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Brent 
Mills
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 7:10 PM
To: Evergreen Discussion Group
Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Help with reports - need end of year stats - 
can't get data - blank report

Jennifer,

And there is a ‘canned’ report from Equinox that is Count Items Added by Date 
Range.But nothing ever comes out.  I just get a blank.   I’ve tried all 
kinds of date ranges and don’t know what is wrong.

Have you tried putting the older date range value in the first section of the 
between? I think that’s been an issue with a few of our date range reports.


[cid:image001.png@01D1D2B9.59AE1A60]

-Brent

-

Brent Mills
Systems Librarian | Sage Library System

email: br...@hoodriverlibrary.org<mailto:br...@hoodriverlibrary.org>
tickets: https://sagesupport.eou.edu
phone: 541.610.8384

On Jun 29, 2016, at 1:47 PM, Walz, Jennifer 
mailto:jlw...@asbury.edu>> wrote:

And there is a ‘canned’ report from Equinox that is Count Items Added by Date 
Range.But nothing ever comes out.  I just get a blank.   I’ve tried all 
kinds of date ranges and don’t know what is wrong.

Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Help with reports - need end of year stats - can't get data - blank report

[Walz, Jennifer]

Chris,

I was trying to do that yesterday and I don’t remember how to find that.  
  It was a long and messy day.

I’ll try to find it and post that back to you.   Could be that Brent’s 
suggestion is what the problem is on one front though.   Just reverse the 
dates.  Grief!   Why is that?

Thanks!

Jennifer

From: Open-ils-general 
[mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Chris 
Sharp
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 7:29 PM
To: Evergreen Discussion Group
Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Help with reports - need end of year stats - 
can't get data - blank report

Jennifer,
If you can post the "Generated SQL" section of the Debugging Info in the report 
output, I can probably help.
Thanks,
Chris

On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 7:10 PM, Brent Mills 
mailto:br...@hoodriverlibrary.org>> wrote:
Jennifer,

And there is a ‘canned’ report from Equinox that is Count Items Added by Date 
Range.But nothing ever comes out.  I just get a blank.   I’ve tried all 
kinds of date ranges and don’t know what is wrong.

Have you tried putting the older date range value in the first section of the 
between? I think that’s been an issue with a few of our date range reports.


[cid:image001.png@01D1D2B7.CAF4BD20]

-Brent

-

Brent Mills
Systems Librarian | Sage Library System

email: br...@hoodriverlibrary.org<mailto:br...@hoodriverlibrary.org>
tickets: https://sagesupport.eou.edu
phone: 541.610.8384

On Jun 29, 2016, at 1:47 PM, Walz, Jennifer 
mailto:jlw...@asbury.edu>> wrote:

And there is a ‘canned’ report from Equinox that is Count Items Added by Date 
Range.But nothing ever comes out.  I just get a blank.   I’ve tried all 
kinds of date ranges and don’t know what is wrong.




--
Chris Sharp
PINES System Administrator
Georgia Public Library Service
1800 Century Place, Suite 150
Atlanta, Georgia 30345
(404) 235-7147

Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Help with reports - need end of year stats - can't get data - blank report

[Elisabeth Keppler]

I bet Brent is right!  If you are using relative dates in your parameters
instead of real dates (such as saying you want everything created 1 to 12
months ago), it's easy to enter them backwards.  In the example he
provided, the top parameter would 12 months and the bottom parameter 1
month.

On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 7:10 PM, Brent Mills 
wrote:

> Jennifer,
>
> And there is a ‘canned’ report from Equinox that is Count Items Added by
> Date Range.But nothing ever comes out.  I just get a blank.   I’ve
> tried all kinds of date ranges and don’t know what is wrong.
>
>
> Have you tried putting the older date range value in the first section of
> the between? I think that’s been an issue with a few of our date range
> reports.
>
>
>
> -Brent
>
> -
>
> Brent Mills
> Systems Librarian | Sage Library System
>
> email: br...@hoodriverlibrary.org
> tickets: https://sagesupport.eou.edu
> phone: 541.610.8384
>
> On Jun 29, 2016, at 1:47 PM, Walz, Jennifer  wrote:
>
> And there is a ‘canned’ report from Equinox that is Count Items Added by
> Date Range.But nothing ever comes out.  I just get a blank.   I’ve
> tried all kinds of date ranges and don’t know what is wrong.
>
>
>


-- 
Lise Keppler, Technical Services
Forsyth County Public Library
2851 Fairlawn Dr
Winston Salem NC  27106
336-703-3048

Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Help with reports - need end of year stats - can't get data - blank report

[Chris Sharp]

Jennifer,

If you can post the "Generated SQL" section of the Debugging Info in the
report output, I can probably help.

Thanks,

Chris

On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 7:10 PM, Brent Mills 
wrote:

> Jennifer,
>
> And there is a ‘canned’ report from Equinox that is Count Items Added by
> Date Range.But nothing ever comes out.  I just get a blank.   I’ve
> tried all kinds of date ranges and don’t know what is wrong.
>
>
> Have you tried putting the older date range value in the first section of
> the between? I think that’s been an issue with a few of our date range
> reports.
>
>
>
> -Brent
>
> -
>
> Brent Mills
> Systems Librarian | Sage Library System
>
> email: br...@hoodriverlibrary.org
> tickets: https://sagesupport.eou.edu
> phone: 541.610.8384
>
> On Jun 29, 2016, at 1:47 PM, Walz, Jennifer  wrote:
>
> And there is a ‘canned’ report from Equinox that is Count Items Added by
> Date Range.But nothing ever comes out.  I just get a blank.   I’ve
> tried all kinds of date ranges and don’t know what is wrong.
>
>
>


-- 
Chris Sharp
PINES System Administrator
Georgia Public Library Service
1800 Century Place, Suite 150
Atlanta, Georgia 30345
(404) 235-7147

Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Help with reports - need end of year stats - can't get data - blank report

[Brent Mills]

Jennifer,

> And there is a ‘canned’ report from Equinox that is Count Items Added by Date 
> Range.But nothing ever comes out.  I just get a blank.   I’ve tried all 
> kinds of date ranges and don’t know what is wrong.

Have you tried putting the older date range value in the first section of the 
between? I think that’s been an issue with a few of our date range reports.




-Brent

-

Brent Mills
Systems Librarian | Sage Library System

email: br...@hoodriverlibrary.org
tickets: https://sagesupport.eou.edu
phone: 541.610.8384

> On Jun 29, 2016, at 1:47 PM, Walz, Jennifer  wrote:
> 
> And there is a ‘canned’ report from Equinox that is Count Items Added by Date 
> Range.But nothing ever comes out.  I just get a blank.   I’ve tried all 
> kinds of date ranges and don’t know what is wrong.

Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Help with reports - need end of year stats - can't get data - blank report

[Elisabeth Keppler]

This is pretty down-and-dirty but it does seem to work:

[image: Inline image 1]
It uses the "Item" source, filters on creation date range, filters OUT
anything that has been deleted (so you'll miss anything that was added and
deleted within the same time range), and includes only those org units in
our library system (since we're a consortium member).  All that displays is
the short name for the org unit and the total copy IDs added during the
specified time range.  Does that help?

Thanks,
Lise

On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 4:47 PM, Walz, Jennifer  wrote:

> All –
>
> I am not sure if this is the report acting weird, or something else wrong
> with our system.
>
> My boss wants this:  need *one total number of physical items added to
> the collection between 7/1/15 and today (last 12 months)*.
>
> And there is a ‘canned’ report from Equinox that is Count Items Added by
> Date Range.But nothing ever comes out.  I just get a blank.   I’ve
> tried all kinds of date ranges and don’t know what is wrong.
>
> Can anyone guide me to maybe create one from scratch?   Or fix the one
> that is already there?Is there a bug in the system?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Jennifer
>
> --
> Jennifer Walz, MLS - Head of ILS inputs
> Kinlaw Library -  *Asbury University*
> One Macklem Drive, Wilmore, KY 40390
> 859-858-3511 ext. 2269
> jlw...@asbury.edu
>
>
>
>
>



-- 
Lise Keppler, Technical Services
Forsyth County Public Library
2851 Fairlawn Dr
Winston Salem NC  27106
336-703-3048

Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Help With Structuring a Lost Item Return/Fine Situation

[Elisabeth Keppler]

Forsyth County (NC not Georgia) tried the Lost and Paid Status for a week
and reverted to regular Lost status.  If a patron finds and returns an item
that was marked lost and for which they paid the replacement charge, Lost
and Paid prevents us from checking the item back in and issuing a refund to
the patron.  (Our patrons have one year from the date an item is marked
lost--after that, no refund.)  With the right library settings, you can use
an override to check in a Lost and Paid item but we prefer not to have
service desk staff use overrides if we can possibly avoid it.

Thanks,
Lise

On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 8:31 PM, Brent Mills 
wrote:

>  Hello,
>
> I was wondering if anyone had arranged a lost items setup similar to this
> and if it was possible within Evergreen. We have an interested library and
> have currently implemented the Lost and Paid Status consortium wide. I feel
> like I might be missing something obvious here, but would welcome any
> suggestions.
>
> *Scenario 1 **With Lost:*
> Someone returns a lost item. System eliminates all but $1 of the charge
> ($1 item fee/no processing fee)
>
>  *Scenario 2 With Lost and Paid:*
> If item in Lost and Paid Status is returned before 6 months of payment,
> eliminate all but $5 of the charge (the processing fee), BUT eliminate none
> of the charge if Lost and Paid Item is returned after 6 months of going
> into Lost and Paid status.
>
> Thanks!
>
> -Brent
>
> --
> Brent Mills
> Systems Librarian | Sage Library System
> email: br...@hoodriverlibrary.org
> tickets: sagelib.org/support
> desk/mobile : 541.387.5063 / 
> 541.610.8384
>
>


-- 
Lise Keppler, Technical Services
Forsyth County Public Library
2851 Fairlawn Dr
Winston Salem NC  27106
336-703-3048

Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Help for a tiny library?

[Hardy, Elaine]

Ben,



If you don’t have anyone on staff that is a trained cataloger and knows MARC 
formatting and other cataloging standards, Evergreen would also not be a 
good fit for your library.



http://web.nmsu.edu/~ebosman/church/churchlib4.shtml has a list of low cost 
software primarily for church libraries but there are some for special 
libraries. Not all had pricing on their website but some are in the 
$300-$500 range. The list does include products Terran and Ruth mentioned.



There is a “free” product on that site called Lexwin --  
http://www.lex.sk.ca/index.html There is a one-year trial period and then 
they want you to purchase a service contract if you want to auto-load data 
into a LexWeb(?) It looks like it is free if you don’t want to be part of 
LexWeb.



St Charles County Library System in Missouri developed an open source 
catalog called Listen 2000 that they market to Missouri libraries. I couldn’t 
find any recent details so I don’t know anything more. Their contact 
information is at http://www.youranswerplace.org/administrative-staff 
(this may also require knowledge of library standards).



Have you tried contacting other special libraries in your area to see what 
system they use? You might even be able to create a partnership with some of 
them to defray costs and share technical knowledge.





Elaine



J. Elaine Hardy
PINES & Collaborative Projects Manager
Georgia Public Library Service
1800 Century Place, Ste 150
Atlanta, Ga. 30345-4304



404.235.7128
404.235.7201, fax
eha...@georgialibraries.org
www.georgialibraries.org
www.georgialibraries.org/pines



From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org 
[mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Ben 
T.
Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2015 6:25 PM
To: open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org
Subject: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Help for a tiny library?



Hello All,



I volunteer for a tiny library that is growing.  At this point we're looking 
for a way to manage our check-outs/returns some way more efficient than 
paper and pencil.  Evergreen seems like it could be a good solution for us, 
however we are not able to afford a server at this point nor a subscription 
(we basically have no money).  Is there any way (hopefully a simple one) to 
run Evergreen just on a single Windows (7) machine, keeping the catalog and 
patron information locally?



Sincerely,

Ben

Librarian Volunteer

Kendall Clawson Library



p.s. I am decently tech savvy, but not VERY tech savvy.  I won't be able to 
do any major amount of coding on my own.

Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Help for a tiny library?

[Jason Stephenson]

I suggest having a look at Koha.

http://koha-community.org/


Quoting "Ben T." :


Thank you for all the responses.

Rogan, you inferences are generally correct.  I do not have much
experience.  I have worked with virtual machines before, and I use Ubuntu
on my personal computer, but I have never really been a sys admin.  As for
time, I do not have much time per week, but I have a soft deadline to make
something work by June.  So I possibly could set up a VM and make this
work.  However, our computer is shared with a bunch of volunteers at the
community center, many of whom are not very computer literate.  My
intuition tells me that a VM would not survive meddling from other folks.
So if a VM is the only available solution with Evergreen, I think I will
keep looking.

Terran, Surpass looks amazing, except for the ~$3000 price tag on it.
Anything purchased is likely coming out of my pocket at this point, and
there is no way I can afford that.

Yunus, Openbiblio also looks good, except it runs into the same server
problem that evergreen does.

So I think I'll keep looking for solutions.  Thanks, everyone.

On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 1:47 PM, Rogan Hamby 
wrote:


It does still require Linux skills as it's a virtual machine whether he
has that skill set or is willing to invest the time to learn it is a
pre-requisite, something I wouldn't assume from the question.

On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 12:12 PM, Mark Ehle  wrote:


Ben did say he was decently tech savvy and asked for a way to run
Evergreen on a pc. VirtualBox fits the bill.

On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 12:08 PM, McCanna, Terran <
tmcca...@georgialibraries.org> wrote:


Regardless of whether it's feasible in a Windows VM environment or not,
I really think that Evergreen is too complicated to set up and  
maintain for

someone who doesn't have a strong skillset in system administration. A
hosted ILS would be a better option, but a lot of tiny libraries can't
afford that either.

Personally, if I were in Ben's position, I would investigate some of the
library automation system offerings that are designed specifically for
small libraries. Does anyone have any experience with Surpass? I haven't
used it, but it looks like it was designed for tiny libraries (less than
5000 items) and has a standalone license option for running on a single
non-networked PC: http://www.surpasssoftware.com/surpass-sl.html.


Terran McCanna
PINES Program Manager
Georgia Public Library Service
1800 Century Place, Suite 150
Atlanta, GA 30345
404-235-7138
tmcca...@georgialibraries.org
- Original Message -
From: "Mark Ehle" 
To: "Evergreen Discussion Group" <
open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org>
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2015 11:26:53 AM
Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Help for a tiny library?

We ran everything in VirtualBox for a long time. Is it the PC hardware
you
object to? Or just VM's in general.

On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 11:24 AM, Mark Ehle  wrote:

> When you have quad-core PC's with 8gb of ram, the difference is not
that
> much. I've run production VM's on my PC in a pinch and our staff never
> knew.
>
> What do you suggest Ben does?
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 11:12 AM, Rogan Hamby <
rogan.ha...@yclibrary.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Mark,
>>
>> There is a big difference between running a production system on a
>> desktop VM and playing with it.  Running Evergreen in Virtual Box is
common
>> for developers, documenters, etc
>>
>> And it's important for those who don't have a systems background that
a
>> VM in a server environment and throwing up a VM on a desktop with
limited
>> resources are very different things.
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 11:00 AM, Mark Ehle 
wrote:
>>
>>> Not at all dubious, Rogan. We run Sirsi Symphony as a VM and have
been
>>> for years. We pretty much don't run our servers on anything else
*but*
>>> VM's. It's just how things are done now. I've run Evergreen in
Virtual Box
>>> (totally free) on my PC to play with it and it works just fine.
Given a
>>> decent enough PC,mainly enough memory, I'm sure you could run
Evergreen on
>>> a VM for a few clients for a small library.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 10:49 AM, Rogan Hamby <
rogan.ha...@yclibrary.net
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Ben,
>>>>
>>>> This was alluded to but to be clear, Evergreen isn't Windows
software.
>>>> Evergreen was built to run on Linux and is commonly run on Debian
though I
>>>> know it's used successfully on other distributions as well.
Honestly, as
>>>> much as I love to spread the love of Evergreen from what I can
infer from
>>>> your post I do

Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Help for a tiny library?

[Joe]

I realized on reflection that referred to the wrong prerequisite 
program, re Evergreen install instructions..  oops.


That will teach me to type specific emails from memory.

Have a good day one and all.

Joe

Joseph Knueven
Director
Germantown Public Library
51 N. Plum St.
Germantown, OH 45327
937-855-4001
knuev...@oplin.org

On 1/19/2015 11:36 AM, Joe wrote:
The hosted solution does look interesting, though it sounds like the 
library's finances would not extend to $500 annually..

(it looks like the trial version is only good for 30 days?)
In a similar vein if money were tight but not non-existent, Biblionix 
looks good too, and depending on how well they scale down, might price 
competitively..


Ben, if it were me I would take a closer look at OpenBiblio. Many 
moons ago (say nearly 10 years ago) I seem to recall installing 
OpenBiblio on my Windows XP desktop to the point of having it up and 
running for the sake of testing and seeing what it was like.


It can be installed on just a Windows computer using XAMPP.
(instructions are at 
http://osilms.pbworks.com/w/page/6466900/openbiblio%20installation )


From my recollection it was at the time one of the first times I 
played around with something that ideally runs in a LAMP environment 
(linux+apache+mysql+php/perl).  I don't recall it taking a hateful 
amount of time to figure out XAMPP or Openbiblio's own software.  So, 
if you use Ubuntu for your everyday desktop, and are as you said 
mildly tech savvy this might be a worth while experiment.


I'll admit, in an ideal world it would be on a dedicated linux server 
with an internet connection for the public to search the catalog, but 
in the limited circumstances we're talking about, having it on a 
single Windows computer I would think would a lot better than pencil 
and paper, and I can't see it working any slower than pencil and 
paper, even if the Windows PC has to grind a bit to handle the 
databases and such.


I agree about Ben's view on a VMs with non-tech savvy users, VMs can 
certainly be used in production environments, but in situations where 
the end-user never knows whether they're connecting to a physical 
computer or a VM.


As much as I hate to admit it, because I love Evergreen and would 
prefer to see as many Evergreen libraries as possible, installing it 
is not for the faint of heart.  I've tried once to install it for the 
sake of having a sandbox installation, being in a consortium where 
others administer our production servers and in that attempt I 
couldn't get past getting xulrunner installed properly.  I probably 
need to be working on it with the IRC open on a second computer, 
probably during hours when the sys admins here in North America are 
online and I can ask questions of the folks who actually know what 
they're doing with it...


Best of luck, and have a good day.

Joe


Joseph Knueven
Director
Germantown Public Library
51 N. Plum St.
Germantown, OH 45327
937-855-4001
knuev...@oplin.org
On 1/19/2015 9:30 AM, Ruth Frasur wrote:
Just a brief addition.  This looked interesting. It's basically 
turnkey and a hosted solution.  As you can see, I linked the 
pricing/features page.  Why not get straight to the bottom line?  I 
+1 Terran's fundraising idea.


http://www.libraryworld.com/pricing.html

On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 7:19 PM, McCanna, Terran 
<mailto:tmcca...@georgialibraries.org>> wrote:


Ben,

Ouch, I didn't see Surpass's price tag. There's something called
ResourceMate that has a "Lite" edition for $295, and another
called PrimaSoft Small Library Organizer Pro for $245, both of
which are designed for very small libraries to run on a single
machine. Again, I haven't used either, but they might be worth
investigating. Maybe you could do a bit of fundraising so you
don't have to pay out of pocket?

Good luck!


Terran McCanna
PINES Program Manager
Georgia Public Library Service
1800 Century Place, Suite 150
Atlanta, GA 30345
404-235-7138 
tmcca...@georgialibraries.org <mailto:tmcca...@georgialibraries.org>
- Original Message -
From: "Ben T." mailto:t.be...@gmail.com>>
To: "Evergreen Discussion Group"
    mailto:open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org>>
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2015 6:39:17 PM
Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Help for a tiny library?

Thank you for all the responses.

Rogan, you inferences are generally correct.  I do not have much
experience.  I have worked with virtual machines before, and I
use Ubuntu
on my personal computer, but I have never really been a sys
admin.  As for
time, I do not have much time per week, but I have a soft
deadline to make
something work by June.  So I possibly could set up a VM and make
this
work.  However, our computer is shared 

Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Help for a tiny library?

[Joe]

The hosted solution does look interesting, though it sounds like the 
library's finances would not extend to $500 annually..

(it looks like the trial version is only good for 30 days?)
In a similar vein if money were tight but not non-existent, Biblionix 
looks good too, and depending on how well they scale down, might price 
competitively..


Ben, if it were me I would take a closer look at OpenBiblio.  Many moons 
ago (say nearly 10 years ago) I seem to recall installing OpenBiblio on 
my Windows XP desktop to the point of having it up and running for the 
sake of testing and seeing what it was like.


It can be installed on just a Windows computer using XAMPP.
(instructions are at 
http://osilms.pbworks.com/w/page/6466900/openbiblio%20installation )


From my recollection it was at the time one of the first times I played 
around with something that ideally runs in a LAMP environment 
(linux+apache+mysql+php/perl).  I don't recall it taking a hateful 
amount of time to figure out XAMPP or Openbiblio's own software.  So, if 
you use Ubuntu for your everyday desktop, and are as you said mildly 
tech savvy this might be a worth while experiment.


I'll admit, in an ideal world it would be on a dedicated linux server 
with an internet connection for the public to search the catalog, but in 
the limited circumstances we're talking about, having it on a single 
Windows computer I would think would a lot better than pencil and paper, 
and I can't see it working any slower than pencil and paper, even if the 
Windows PC has to grind a bit to handle the databases and such.


I agree about Ben's view on a VMs with non-tech savvy users, VMs can 
certainly be used in production environments, but in situations where 
the end-user never knows whether they're connecting to a physical 
computer or a VM.


As much as I hate to admit it, because I love Evergreen and would prefer 
to see as many Evergreen libraries as possible, installing it is not for 
the faint of heart.  I've tried once to install it for the sake of 
having a sandbox installation, being in a consortium where others 
administer our production servers and in that attempt I couldn't get 
past getting xulrunner installed properly.  I probably need to be 
working on it with the IRC open on a second computer, probably during 
hours when the sys admins here in North America are online and I can ask 
questions of the folks who actually know what they're doing with it...


Best of luck, and have a good day.

Joe


Joseph Knueven
Director
Germantown Public Library
51 N. Plum St.
Germantown, OH 45327
937-855-4001
knuev...@oplin.org

On 1/19/2015 9:30 AM, Ruth Frasur wrote:
Just a brief addition.  This looked interesting. It's basically 
turnkey and a hosted solution.  As you can see, I linked the 
pricing/features page.  Why not get straight to the bottom line?  I +1 
Terran's fundraising idea.


http://www.libraryworld.com/pricing.html

On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 7:19 PM, McCanna, Terran 
mailto:tmcca...@georgialibraries.org>> 
wrote:


Ben,

Ouch, I didn't see Surpass's price tag. There's something called
ResourceMate that has a "Lite" edition for $295, and another
called PrimaSoft Small Library Organizer Pro for $245, both of
which are designed for very small libraries to run on a single
machine. Again, I haven't used either, but they might be worth
investigating. Maybe you could do a bit of fundraising so you
don't have to pay out of pocket?

Good luck!


Terran McCanna
PINES Program Manager
Georgia Public Library Service
1800 Century Place, Suite 150
Atlanta, GA 30345
404-235-7138 
tmcca...@georgialibraries.org <mailto:tmcca...@georgialibraries.org>
- Original Message -
From: "Ben T." mailto:t.be...@gmail.com>>
To: "Evergreen Discussion Group"
mailto:open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org>>
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2015 6:39:17 PM
Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Help for a tiny library?

Thank you for all the responses.

Rogan, you inferences are generally correct.  I do not have much
experience.  I have worked with virtual machines before, and I use
Ubuntu
on my personal computer, but I have never really been a sys
admin.  As for
time, I do not have much time per week, but I have a soft deadline
to make
something work by June.  So I possibly could set up a VM and make this
work.  However, our computer is shared with a bunch of volunteers
at the
community center, many of whom are not very computer literate.  My
intuition tells me that a VM would not survive meddling from other
folks.
So if a VM is the only available solution with Evergreen, I think
I will
keep looking.

Terran, Surpass looks amazing, except for the ~$3000 price tag on it.
Anyt

Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Help for a tiny library?

[Ruth Frasur]

Just a brief addition.  This looked interesting.  It's basically turnkey
and a hosted solution.  As you can see, I linked the pricing/features
page.  Why not get straight to the bottom line?  I +1 Terran's fundraising
idea.

http://www.libraryworld.com/pricing.html

On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 7:19 PM, McCanna, Terran <
tmcca...@georgialibraries.org> wrote:

> Ben,
>
> Ouch, I didn't see Surpass's price tag. There's something called
> ResourceMate that has a "Lite" edition for $295, and another called
> PrimaSoft Small Library Organizer Pro for $245, both of which are designed
> for very small libraries to run on a single machine. Again, I haven't used
> either, but they might be worth investigating. Maybe you could do a bit of
> fundraising so you don't have to pay out of pocket?
>
> Good luck!
>
>
> Terran McCanna
> PINES Program Manager
> Georgia Public Library Service
> 1800 Century Place, Suite 150
> Atlanta, GA 30345
> 404-235-7138
> tmcca...@georgialibraries.org
> - Original Message -
> From: "Ben T." 
> To: "Evergreen Discussion Group" <
> open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org>
> Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2015 6:39:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Help for a tiny library?
>
> Thank you for all the responses.
>
> Rogan, you inferences are generally correct.  I do not have much
> experience.  I have worked with virtual machines before, and I use Ubuntu
> on my personal computer, but I have never really been a sys admin.  As for
> time, I do not have much time per week, but I have a soft deadline to make
> something work by June.  So I possibly could set up a VM and make this
> work.  However, our computer is shared with a bunch of volunteers at the
> community center, many of whom are not very computer literate.  My
> intuition tells me that a VM would not survive meddling from other folks.
> So if a VM is the only available solution with Evergreen, I think I will
> keep looking.
>
> Terran, Surpass looks amazing, except for the ~$3000 price tag on it.
> Anything purchased is likely coming out of my pocket at this point, and
> there is no way I can afford that.
>
> Yunus, Openbiblio also looks good, except it runs into the same server
> problem that evergreen does.
>
> So I think I'll keep looking for solutions.  Thanks, everyone.
>
> On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 1:47 PM, Rogan Hamby 
> wrote:
>
> > It does still require Linux skills as it's a virtual machine whether he
> > has that skill set or is willing to invest the time to learn it is a
> > pre-requisite, something I wouldn't assume from the question.
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 12:12 PM, Mark Ehle  wrote:
> >
> >> Ben did say he was decently tech savvy and asked for a way to run
> >> Evergreen on a pc. VirtualBox fits the bill.
> >>
> >> On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 12:08 PM, McCanna, Terran <
> >> tmcca...@georgialibraries.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Regardless of whether it's feasible in a Windows VM environment or not,
> >>> I really think that Evergreen is too complicated to set up and
> maintain for
> >>> someone who doesn't have a strong skillset in system administration. A
> >>> hosted ILS would be a better option, but a lot of tiny libraries can't
> >>> afford that either.
> >>>
> >>> Personally, if I were in Ben's position, I would investigate some of
> the
> >>> library automation system offerings that are designed specifically for
> >>> small libraries. Does anyone have any experience with Surpass? I
> haven't
> >>> used it, but it looks like it was designed for tiny libraries (less
> than
> >>> 5000 items) and has a standalone license option for running on a single
> >>> non-networked PC: http://www.surpasssoftware.com/surpass-sl.html.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Terran McCanna
> >>> PINES Program Manager
> >>> Georgia Public Library Service
> >>> 1800 Century Place, Suite 150
> >>> Atlanta, GA 30345
> >>> 404-235-7138
> >>> tmcca...@georgialibraries.org
> >>> - Original Message -
> >>> From: "Mark Ehle" 
> >>> To: "Evergreen Discussion Group" <
> >>> open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org>
> >>> Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2015 11:26:53 AM
> >>> Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Help for a tiny library?
> >>>
> >>> We ran everything in VirtualBox for a long time. Is it the PC hardware
>

Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Help for a tiny library?

[McCanna, Terran]

Ben,

Ouch, I didn't see Surpass's price tag. There's something called ResourceMate 
that has a "Lite" edition for $295, and another called PrimaSoft Small Library 
Organizer Pro for $245, both of which are designed for very small libraries to 
run on a single machine. Again, I haven't used either, but they might be worth 
investigating. Maybe you could do a bit of fundraising so you don't have to pay 
out of pocket?

Good luck!


Terran McCanna 
PINES Program Manager 
Georgia Public Library Service 
1800 Century Place, Suite 150 
Atlanta, GA 30345 
404-235-7138 
tmcca...@georgialibraries.org 
- Original Message -
From: "Ben T." 
To: "Evergreen Discussion Group" 
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2015 6:39:17 PM
Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Help for a tiny library?

Thank you for all the responses.

Rogan, you inferences are generally correct.  I do not have much
experience.  I have worked with virtual machines before, and I use Ubuntu
on my personal computer, but I have never really been a sys admin.  As for
time, I do not have much time per week, but I have a soft deadline to make
something work by June.  So I possibly could set up a VM and make this
work.  However, our computer is shared with a bunch of volunteers at the
community center, many of whom are not very computer literate.  My
intuition tells me that a VM would not survive meddling from other folks.
So if a VM is the only available solution with Evergreen, I think I will
keep looking.

Terran, Surpass looks amazing, except for the ~$3000 price tag on it.
Anything purchased is likely coming out of my pocket at this point, and
there is no way I can afford that.

Yunus, Openbiblio also looks good, except it runs into the same server
problem that evergreen does.

So I think I'll keep looking for solutions.  Thanks, everyone.

On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 1:47 PM, Rogan Hamby 
wrote:

> It does still require Linux skills as it's a virtual machine whether he
> has that skill set or is willing to invest the time to learn it is a
> pre-requisite, something I wouldn't assume from the question.
>
> On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 12:12 PM, Mark Ehle  wrote:
>
>> Ben did say he was decently tech savvy and asked for a way to run
>> Evergreen on a pc. VirtualBox fits the bill.
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 12:08 PM, McCanna, Terran <
>> tmcca...@georgialibraries.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Regardless of whether it's feasible in a Windows VM environment or not,
>>> I really think that Evergreen is too complicated to set up and maintain for
>>> someone who doesn't have a strong skillset in system administration. A
>>> hosted ILS would be a better option, but a lot of tiny libraries can't
>>> afford that either.
>>>
>>> Personally, if I were in Ben's position, I would investigate some of the
>>> library automation system offerings that are designed specifically for
>>> small libraries. Does anyone have any experience with Surpass? I haven't
>>> used it, but it looks like it was designed for tiny libraries (less than
>>> 5000 items) and has a standalone license option for running on a single
>>> non-networked PC: http://www.surpasssoftware.com/surpass-sl.html.
>>>
>>>
>>> Terran McCanna
>>> PINES Program Manager
>>> Georgia Public Library Service
>>> 1800 Century Place, Suite 150
>>> Atlanta, GA 30345
>>> 404-235-7138
>>> tmcca...@georgialibraries.org
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Mark Ehle" 
>>> To: "Evergreen Discussion Group" <
>>> open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2015 11:26:53 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Help for a tiny library?
>>>
>>> We ran everything in VirtualBox for a long time. Is it the PC hardware
>>> you
>>> object to? Or just VM's in general.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 11:24 AM, Mark Ehle  wrote:
>>>
>>> > When you have quad-core PC's with 8gb of ram, the difference is not
>>> that
>>> > much. I've run production VM's on my PC in a pinch and our staff never
>>> > knew.
>>> >
>>> > What do you suggest Ben does?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 11:12 AM, Rogan Hamby <
>>> rogan.ha...@yclibrary.net>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Hi Mark,
>>> >>
>>> >> There is a big difference between running a production system on a
>>> >> desktop VM and playing with it.  Running Evergreen in Virtual Box is
&

Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Help for a tiny library?

[Ben T.]

Thank you for all the responses.

Rogan, you inferences are generally correct.  I do not have much
experience.  I have worked with virtual machines before, and I use Ubuntu
on my personal computer, but I have never really been a sys admin.  As for
time, I do not have much time per week, but I have a soft deadline to make
something work by June.  So I possibly could set up a VM and make this
work.  However, our computer is shared with a bunch of volunteers at the
community center, many of whom are not very computer literate.  My
intuition tells me that a VM would not survive meddling from other folks.
So if a VM is the only available solution with Evergreen, I think I will
keep looking.

Terran, Surpass looks amazing, except for the ~$3000 price tag on it.
Anything purchased is likely coming out of my pocket at this point, and
there is no way I can afford that.

Yunus, Openbiblio also looks good, except it runs into the same server
problem that evergreen does.

So I think I'll keep looking for solutions.  Thanks, everyone.

On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 1:47 PM, Rogan Hamby 
wrote:

> It does still require Linux skills as it's a virtual machine whether he
> has that skill set or is willing to invest the time to learn it is a
> pre-requisite, something I wouldn't assume from the question.
>
> On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 12:12 PM, Mark Ehle  wrote:
>
>> Ben did say he was decently tech savvy and asked for a way to run
>> Evergreen on a pc. VirtualBox fits the bill.
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 12:08 PM, McCanna, Terran <
>> tmcca...@georgialibraries.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Regardless of whether it's feasible in a Windows VM environment or not,
>>> I really think that Evergreen is too complicated to set up and maintain for
>>> someone who doesn't have a strong skillset in system administration. A
>>> hosted ILS would be a better option, but a lot of tiny libraries can't
>>> afford that either.
>>>
>>> Personally, if I were in Ben's position, I would investigate some of the
>>> library automation system offerings that are designed specifically for
>>> small libraries. Does anyone have any experience with Surpass? I haven't
>>> used it, but it looks like it was designed for tiny libraries (less than
>>> 5000 items) and has a standalone license option for running on a single
>>> non-networked PC: http://www.surpasssoftware.com/surpass-sl.html.
>>>
>>>
>>> Terran McCanna
>>> PINES Program Manager
>>> Georgia Public Library Service
>>> 1800 Century Place, Suite 150
>>> Atlanta, GA 30345
>>> 404-235-7138
>>> tmcca...@georgialibraries.org
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Mark Ehle" 
>>> To: "Evergreen Discussion Group" <
>>> open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2015 11:26:53 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Help for a tiny library?
>>>
>>> We ran everything in VirtualBox for a long time. Is it the PC hardware
>>> you
>>> object to? Or just VM's in general.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 11:24 AM, Mark Ehle  wrote:
>>>
>>> > When you have quad-core PC's with 8gb of ram, the difference is not
>>> that
>>> > much. I've run production VM's on my PC in a pinch and our staff never
>>> > knew.
>>> >
>>> > What do you suggest Ben does?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 11:12 AM, Rogan Hamby <
>>> rogan.ha...@yclibrary.net>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Hi Mark,
>>> >>
>>> >> There is a big difference between running a production system on a
>>> >> desktop VM and playing with it.  Running Evergreen in Virtual Box is
>>> common
>>> >> for developers, documenters, etc
>>> >>
>>> >> And it's important for those who don't have a systems background that
>>> a
>>> >> VM in a server environment and throwing up a VM on a desktop with
>>> limited
>>> >> resources are very different things.
>>> >>
>>> >> On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 11:00 AM, Mark Ehle 
>>> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>> Not at all dubious, Rogan. We run Sirsi Symphony as a VM and have
>>> been
>>> >>> for years. We pretty much don't run our servers on anything else
>>> *but*
>>> >>> VM's. It's just how things are done now. I've r

Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Help for a tiny library?

[Rogan Hamby]

It does still require Linux skills as it's a virtual machine whether he has
that skill set or is willing to invest the time to learn it is a
pre-requisite, something I wouldn't assume from the question.

On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 12:12 PM, Mark Ehle  wrote:

> Ben did say he was decently tech savvy and asked for a way to run
> Evergreen on a pc. VirtualBox fits the bill.
>
> On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 12:08 PM, McCanna, Terran <
> tmcca...@georgialibraries.org> wrote:
>
>> Regardless of whether it's feasible in a Windows VM environment or not, I
>> really think that Evergreen is too complicated to set up and maintain for
>> someone who doesn't have a strong skillset in system administration. A
>> hosted ILS would be a better option, but a lot of tiny libraries can't
>> afford that either.
>>
>> Personally, if I were in Ben's position, I would investigate some of the
>> library automation system offerings that are designed specifically for
>> small libraries. Does anyone have any experience with Surpass? I haven't
>> used it, but it looks like it was designed for tiny libraries (less than
>> 5000 items) and has a standalone license option for running on a single
>> non-networked PC: http://www.surpasssoftware.com/surpass-sl.html.
>>
>>
>> Terran McCanna
>> PINES Program Manager
>> Georgia Public Library Service
>> 1800 Century Place, Suite 150
>> Atlanta, GA 30345
>> 404-235-7138
>> tmcca...@georgialibraries.org
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Mark Ehle" 
>> To: "Evergreen Discussion Group" <
>> open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2015 11:26:53 AM
>> Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Help for a tiny library?
>>
>> We ran everything in VirtualBox for a long time. Is it the PC hardware you
>> object to? Or just VM's in general.
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 11:24 AM, Mark Ehle  wrote:
>>
>> > When you have quad-core PC's with 8gb of ram, the difference is not that
>> > much. I've run production VM's on my PC in a pinch and our staff never
>> > knew.
>> >
>> > What do you suggest Ben does?
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 11:12 AM, Rogan Hamby <
>> rogan.ha...@yclibrary.net>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hi Mark,
>> >>
>> >> There is a big difference between running a production system on a
>> >> desktop VM and playing with it.  Running Evergreen in Virtual Box is
>> common
>> >> for developers, documenters, etc
>> >>
>> >> And it's important for those who don't have a systems background that a
>> >> VM in a server environment and throwing up a VM on a desktop with
>> limited
>> >> resources are very different things.
>> >>
>> >> On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 11:00 AM, Mark Ehle 
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Not at all dubious, Rogan. We run Sirsi Symphony as a VM and have been
>> >>> for years. We pretty much don't run our servers on anything else *but*
>> >>> VM's. It's just how things are done now. I've run Evergreen in
>> Virtual Box
>> >>> (totally free) on my PC to play with it and it works just fine. Given
>> a
>> >>> decent enough PC,mainly enough memory, I'm sure you could run
>> Evergreen on
>> >>> a VM for a few clients for a small library.
>> >>>
>> >>> On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 10:49 AM, Rogan Hamby <
>> rogan.ha...@yclibrary.net
>> >>> > wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> Hi Ben,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> This was alluded to but to be clear, Evergreen isn't Windows
>> software.
>> >>>> Evergreen was built to run on Linux and is commonly run on Debian
>> though I
>> >>>> know it's used successfully on other distributions as well.
>> Honestly, as
>> >>>> much as I love to spread the love of Evergreen from what I can infer
>> from
>> >>>> your post I don't think this would be the right direction for you.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Running a production system on a VM is dubious though possible but
>> then
>> >>>> connecting clients, doing the configuration, etc... these are going
>> to
>> >>>> require a big investment of time and energy on the part of staff.
>> >>>>
>

Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Help for a tiny library?

[Rogan Hamby]

I'm trying to address the original question.  I appreciate that you have
your own perspective but addressing the issue at hand requires looking at
it in context of the person asking the question, not your background and
your resources.  Nor mine.

I've made several inferences from his question.  Resources are extremely
limited for Ben.  This includes hardware, finances and expertise.
Furthermore, I suspect that time is also limited.  I think it's also likely
that most of their resources are Microsoft oriented, not the least being
user experience.  How I discuss technology solutions for different
organizations will vary depending upon the resources that organization
has.  If I'm incorrect in any of this Ben can tell us and my response might
change.  But this is the reality of many small libraries.

If he as a volunteer for a small library thinks he has adequate time and
resources to work out all of the issues that will be inherent in this
endeavor then I wish him well.  I advise against it.  So, other options?
I'm going to echo Terran and say that hosting is great but it may be
outside the financial scope of options.  I'm not familiar with Surpass but
that might be one.

There are some cheap Windows softwares meant more for personal collections
that might have some limited circulation ability or function that could be
bodged together for that.  There's always building a very simple Microsoft
Access application if the library has access to that.  I'm not a fan of it
but it's an option.



On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 11:26 AM, Mark Ehle  wrote:

> We ran everything in VirtualBox for a long time. Is it the PC hardware you
> object to? Or just VM's in general.
>
> On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 11:24 AM, Mark Ehle  wrote:
>
>> When you have quad-core PC's with 8gb of ram, the difference is not that
>> much. I've run production VM's on my PC in a pinch and our staff never
>> knew.
>>
>> What do you suggest Ben does?
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 11:12 AM, Rogan Hamby 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Mark,
>>>
>>> There is a big difference between running a production system on a
>>> desktop VM and playing with it.  Running Evergreen in Virtual Box is common
>>> for developers, documenters, etc
>>>
>>> And it's important for those who don't have a systems background that a
>>> VM in a server environment and throwing up a VM on a desktop with limited
>>> resources are very different things.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 11:00 AM, Mark Ehle  wrote:
>>>
 Not at all dubious, Rogan. We run Sirsi Symphony as a VM and have been
 for years. We pretty much don't run our servers on anything else *but*
 VM's. It's just how things are done now. I've run Evergreen in Virtual Box
 (totally free) on my PC to play with it and it works just fine. Given a
 decent enough PC,mainly enough memory, I'm sure you could run Evergreen on
 a VM for a few clients for a small library.

 On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 10:49 AM, Rogan Hamby <
 rogan.ha...@yclibrary.net> wrote:

> Hi Ben,
>
> This was alluded to but to be clear, Evergreen isn't Windows
> software.  Evergreen was built to run on Linux and is commonly run on
> Debian though I know it's used successfully on other distributions as
> well.  Honestly, as much as I love to spread the love of Evergreen from
> what I can infer from your post I don't think this would be the right
> direction for you.
>
> Running a production system on a VM is dubious though possible but
> then connecting clients, doing the configuration, etc... these are going 
> to
> require a big investment of time and energy on the part of staff.
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 6:25 PM, Ben T.  wrote:
>
>> Hello All,
>>
>> I volunteer for a tiny library that is growing.  At this point we're
>> looking for a way to manage our check-outs/returns some way more 
>> efficient
>> than paper and pencil.  Evergreen seems like it could be a good solution
>> for us, however we are not able to afford a server at this point nor a
>> subscription (we basically have no money).  Is there any way (hopefully a
>> simple one) to run Evergreen just on a single Windows (7) machine, 
>> keeping
>> the catalog and patron information locally?
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Ben
>> Librarian Volunteer
>> Kendall Clawson Library
>>
>> p.s. I am decently tech savvy, but not VERY tech savvy.  I won't be
>> able to do any major amount of coding on my own.
>>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Rogan Hamby, MLS, CCNP, MIA
> Managers Headquarters Library and Reference Services,
> York County Library System
>
> “You can never get a cup of tea large enough or a book long enough to
> suit me.”
> ― C.S. Lewis 
>


>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Rogan Hamby, MLS, CCNP, MIA
>>> Managers Headquarters Librar

Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Help for a tiny library?

[Mark Ehle]

Ben did say he was decently tech savvy and asked for a way to run Evergreen
on a pc. VirtualBox fits the bill.

On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 12:08 PM, McCanna, Terran <
tmcca...@georgialibraries.org> wrote:

> Regardless of whether it's feasible in a Windows VM environment or not, I
> really think that Evergreen is too complicated to set up and maintain for
> someone who doesn't have a strong skillset in system administration. A
> hosted ILS would be a better option, but a lot of tiny libraries can't
> afford that either.
>
> Personally, if I were in Ben's position, I would investigate some of the
> library automation system offerings that are designed specifically for
> small libraries. Does anyone have any experience with Surpass? I haven't
> used it, but it looks like it was designed for tiny libraries (less than
> 5000 items) and has a standalone license option for running on a single
> non-networked PC: http://www.surpasssoftware.com/surpass-sl.html.
>
>
> Terran McCanna
> PINES Program Manager
> Georgia Public Library Service
> 1800 Century Place, Suite 150
> Atlanta, GA 30345
> 404-235-7138
> tmcca...@georgialibraries.org
> - Original Message -
> From: "Mark Ehle" 
> To: "Evergreen Discussion Group" <
> open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org>
> Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2015 11:26:53 AM
> Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Help for a tiny library?
>
> We ran everything in VirtualBox for a long time. Is it the PC hardware you
> object to? Or just VM's in general.
>
> On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 11:24 AM, Mark Ehle  wrote:
>
> > When you have quad-core PC's with 8gb of ram, the difference is not that
> > much. I've run production VM's on my PC in a pinch and our staff never
> > knew.
> >
> > What do you suggest Ben does?
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 11:12 AM, Rogan Hamby  >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Mark,
> >>
> >> There is a big difference between running a production system on a
> >> desktop VM and playing with it.  Running Evergreen in Virtual Box is
> common
> >> for developers, documenters, etc
> >>
> >> And it's important for those who don't have a systems background that a
> >> VM in a server environment and throwing up a VM on a desktop with
> limited
> >> resources are very different things.
> >>
> >> On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 11:00 AM, Mark Ehle  wrote:
> >>
> >>> Not at all dubious, Rogan. We run Sirsi Symphony as a VM and have been
> >>> for years. We pretty much don't run our servers on anything else *but*
> >>> VM's. It's just how things are done now. I've run Evergreen in Virtual
> Box
> >>> (totally free) on my PC to play with it and it works just fine. Given a
> >>> decent enough PC,mainly enough memory, I'm sure you could run
> Evergreen on
> >>> a VM for a few clients for a small library.
> >>>
> >>> On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 10:49 AM, Rogan Hamby <
> rogan.ha...@yclibrary.net
> >>> > wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Hi Ben,
> >>>>
> >>>> This was alluded to but to be clear, Evergreen isn't Windows software.
> >>>> Evergreen was built to run on Linux and is commonly run on Debian
> though I
> >>>> know it's used successfully on other distributions as well.
> Honestly, as
> >>>> much as I love to spread the love of Evergreen from what I can infer
> from
> >>>> your post I don't think this would be the right direction for you.
> >>>>
> >>>> Running a production system on a VM is dubious though possible but
> then
> >>>> connecting clients, doing the configuration, etc... these are going to
> >>>> require a big investment of time and energy on the part of staff.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 6:25 PM, Ben T.  wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hello All,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I volunteer for a tiny library that is growing.  At this point we're
> >>>>> looking for a way to manage our check-outs/returns some way more
> efficient
> >>>>> than paper and pencil.  Evergreen seems like it could be a good
> solution
> >>>>> for us, however we are not able to afford a server at this point nor
> a
> >>>>> subscription (we basically have no money).  Is there any way
&

Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Help for a tiny library?

[McCanna, Terran]

Regardless of whether it's feasible in a Windows VM environment or not, I 
really think that Evergreen is too complicated to set up and maintain for 
someone who doesn't have a strong skillset in system administration. A hosted 
ILS would be a better option, but a lot of tiny libraries can't afford that 
either.

Personally, if I were in Ben's position, I would investigate some of the 
library automation system offerings that are designed specifically for small 
libraries. Does anyone have any experience with Surpass? I haven't used it, but 
it looks like it was designed for tiny libraries (less than 5000 items) and has 
a standalone license option for running on a single non-networked PC: 
http://www.surpasssoftware.com/surpass-sl.html. 


Terran McCanna 
PINES Program Manager 
Georgia Public Library Service 
1800 Century Place, Suite 150 
Atlanta, GA 30345 
404-235-7138 
tmcca...@georgialibraries.org 
- Original Message -
From: "Mark Ehle" 
To: "Evergreen Discussion Group" 
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2015 11:26:53 AM
Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Help for a tiny library?

We ran everything in VirtualBox for a long time. Is it the PC hardware you
object to? Or just VM's in general.

On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 11:24 AM, Mark Ehle  wrote:

> When you have quad-core PC's with 8gb of ram, the difference is not that
> much. I've run production VM's on my PC in a pinch and our staff never
> knew.
>
> What do you suggest Ben does?
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 11:12 AM, Rogan Hamby 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Mark,
>>
>> There is a big difference between running a production system on a
>> desktop VM and playing with it.  Running Evergreen in Virtual Box is common
>> for developers, documenters, etc
>>
>> And it's important for those who don't have a systems background that a
>> VM in a server environment and throwing up a VM on a desktop with limited
>> resources are very different things.
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 11:00 AM, Mark Ehle  wrote:
>>
>>> Not at all dubious, Rogan. We run Sirsi Symphony as a VM and have been
>>> for years. We pretty much don't run our servers on anything else *but*
>>> VM's. It's just how things are done now. I've run Evergreen in Virtual Box
>>> (totally free) on my PC to play with it and it works just fine. Given a
>>> decent enough PC,mainly enough memory, I'm sure you could run Evergreen on
>>> a VM for a few clients for a small library.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 10:49 AM, Rogan Hamby >> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Ben,
>>>>
>>>> This was alluded to but to be clear, Evergreen isn't Windows software.
>>>> Evergreen was built to run on Linux and is commonly run on Debian though I
>>>> know it's used successfully on other distributions as well.  Honestly, as
>>>> much as I love to spread the love of Evergreen from what I can infer from
>>>> your post I don't think this would be the right direction for you.
>>>>
>>>> Running a production system on a VM is dubious though possible but then
>>>> connecting clients, doing the configuration, etc... these are going to
>>>> require a big investment of time and energy on the part of staff.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 6:25 PM, Ben T.  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hello All,
>>>>>
>>>>> I volunteer for a tiny library that is growing.  At this point we're
>>>>> looking for a way to manage our check-outs/returns some way more efficient
>>>>> than paper and pencil.  Evergreen seems like it could be a good solution
>>>>> for us, however we are not able to afford a server at this point nor a
>>>>> subscription (we basically have no money).  Is there any way (hopefully a
>>>>> simple one) to run Evergreen just on a single Windows (7) machine, keeping
>>>>> the catalog and patron information locally?
>>>>>
>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>> Ben
>>>>> Librarian Volunteer
>>>>> Kendall Clawson Library
>>>>>
>>>>> p.s. I am decently tech savvy, but not VERY tech savvy.  I won't be
>>>>> able to do any major amount of coding on my own.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Rogan Hamby, MLS, CCNP, MIA
>>>> Managers Headquarters Library and Reference Services,
>>>> York County Library System
>>>>
>>>> “You can never get a cup of tea large enough or a book long enough to
>>>> suit me.”
>>>> ― C.S. Lewis <http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/1069006.C_S_Lewis>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Rogan Hamby, MLS, CCNP, MIA
>> Managers Headquarters Library and Reference Services,
>> York County Library System
>>
>> “You can never get a cup of tea large enough or a book long enough to
>> suit me.”
>> ― C.S. Lewis <http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/1069006.C_S_Lewis>
>>
>
>

Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Help for a tiny library?

[Mark Ehle]

We ran everything in VirtualBox for a long time. Is it the PC hardware you
object to? Or just VM's in general.

On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 11:24 AM, Mark Ehle  wrote:

> When you have quad-core PC's with 8gb of ram, the difference is not that
> much. I've run production VM's on my PC in a pinch and our staff never
> knew.
>
> What do you suggest Ben does?
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 11:12 AM, Rogan Hamby 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Mark,
>>
>> There is a big difference between running a production system on a
>> desktop VM and playing with it.  Running Evergreen in Virtual Box is common
>> for developers, documenters, etc
>>
>> And it's important for those who don't have a systems background that a
>> VM in a server environment and throwing up a VM on a desktop with limited
>> resources are very different things.
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 11:00 AM, Mark Ehle  wrote:
>>
>>> Not at all dubious, Rogan. We run Sirsi Symphony as a VM and have been
>>> for years. We pretty much don't run our servers on anything else *but*
>>> VM's. It's just how things are done now. I've run Evergreen in Virtual Box
>>> (totally free) on my PC to play with it and it works just fine. Given a
>>> decent enough PC,mainly enough memory, I'm sure you could run Evergreen on
>>> a VM for a few clients for a small library.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 10:49 AM, Rogan Hamby >> > wrote:
>>>
 Hi Ben,

 This was alluded to but to be clear, Evergreen isn't Windows software.
 Evergreen was built to run on Linux and is commonly run on Debian though I
 know it's used successfully on other distributions as well.  Honestly, as
 much as I love to spread the love of Evergreen from what I can infer from
 your post I don't think this would be the right direction for you.

 Running a production system on a VM is dubious though possible but then
 connecting clients, doing the configuration, etc... these are going to
 require a big investment of time and energy on the part of staff.




 On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 6:25 PM, Ben T.  wrote:

> Hello All,
>
> I volunteer for a tiny library that is growing.  At this point we're
> looking for a way to manage our check-outs/returns some way more efficient
> than paper and pencil.  Evergreen seems like it could be a good solution
> for us, however we are not able to afford a server at this point nor a
> subscription (we basically have no money).  Is there any way (hopefully a
> simple one) to run Evergreen just on a single Windows (7) machine, keeping
> the catalog and patron information locally?
>
> Sincerely,
> Ben
> Librarian Volunteer
> Kendall Clawson Library
>
> p.s. I am decently tech savvy, but not VERY tech savvy.  I won't be
> able to do any major amount of coding on my own.
>



 --

 Rogan Hamby, MLS, CCNP, MIA
 Managers Headquarters Library and Reference Services,
 York County Library System

 “You can never get a cup of tea large enough or a book long enough to
 suit me.”
 ― C.S. Lewis 

>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Rogan Hamby, MLS, CCNP, MIA
>> Managers Headquarters Library and Reference Services,
>> York County Library System
>>
>> “You can never get a cup of tea large enough or a book long enough to
>> suit me.”
>> ― C.S. Lewis 
>>
>
>

Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Help for a tiny library?

[Mark Ehle]

When you have quad-core PC's with 8gb of ram, the difference is not that
much. I've run production VM's on my PC in a pinch and our staff never
knew.

What do you suggest Ben does?


On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 11:12 AM, Rogan Hamby 
wrote:

> Hi Mark,
>
> There is a big difference between running a production system on a desktop
> VM and playing with it.  Running Evergreen in Virtual Box is common for
> developers, documenters, etc
>
> And it's important for those who don't have a systems background that a VM
> in a server environment and throwing up a VM on a desktop with limited
> resources are very different things.
>
> On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 11:00 AM, Mark Ehle  wrote:
>
>> Not at all dubious, Rogan. We run Sirsi Symphony as a VM and have been
>> for years. We pretty much don't run our servers on anything else *but*
>> VM's. It's just how things are done now. I've run Evergreen in Virtual Box
>> (totally free) on my PC to play with it and it works just fine. Given a
>> decent enough PC,mainly enough memory, I'm sure you could run Evergreen on
>> a VM for a few clients for a small library.
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 10:49 AM, Rogan Hamby 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Ben,
>>>
>>> This was alluded to but to be clear, Evergreen isn't Windows software.
>>> Evergreen was built to run on Linux and is commonly run on Debian though I
>>> know it's used successfully on other distributions as well.  Honestly, as
>>> much as I love to spread the love of Evergreen from what I can infer from
>>> your post I don't think this would be the right direction for you.
>>>
>>> Running a production system on a VM is dubious though possible but then
>>> connecting clients, doing the configuration, etc... these are going to
>>> require a big investment of time and energy on the part of staff.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 6:25 PM, Ben T.  wrote:
>>>
 Hello All,

 I volunteer for a tiny library that is growing.  At this point we're
 looking for a way to manage our check-outs/returns some way more efficient
 than paper and pencil.  Evergreen seems like it could be a good solution
 for us, however we are not able to afford a server at this point nor a
 subscription (we basically have no money).  Is there any way (hopefully a
 simple one) to run Evergreen just on a single Windows (7) machine, keeping
 the catalog and patron information locally?

 Sincerely,
 Ben
 Librarian Volunteer
 Kendall Clawson Library

 p.s. I am decently tech savvy, but not VERY tech savvy.  I won't be
 able to do any major amount of coding on my own.

>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Rogan Hamby, MLS, CCNP, MIA
>>> Managers Headquarters Library and Reference Services,
>>> York County Library System
>>>
>>> “You can never get a cup of tea large enough or a book long enough to
>>> suit me.”
>>> ― C.S. Lewis 
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
>
> Rogan Hamby, MLS, CCNP, MIA
> Managers Headquarters Library and Reference Services,
> York County Library System
>
> “You can never get a cup of tea large enough or a book long enough to suit
> me.”
> ― C.S. Lewis 
>

Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Help for a tiny library?

[Rogan Hamby]

Hi Mark,

There is a big difference between running a production system on a desktop
VM and playing with it.  Running Evergreen in Virtual Box is common for
developers, documenters, etc

And it's important for those who don't have a systems background that a VM
in a server environment and throwing up a VM on a desktop with limited
resources are very different things.

On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 11:00 AM, Mark Ehle  wrote:

> Not at all dubious, Rogan. We run Sirsi Symphony as a VM and have been for
> years. We pretty much don't run our servers on anything else *but* VM's.
> It's just how things are done now. I've run Evergreen in Virtual Box
> (totally free) on my PC to play with it and it works just fine. Given a
> decent enough PC,mainly enough memory, I'm sure you could run Evergreen on
> a VM for a few clients for a small library.
>
> On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 10:49 AM, Rogan Hamby 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Ben,
>>
>> This was alluded to but to be clear, Evergreen isn't Windows software.
>> Evergreen was built to run on Linux and is commonly run on Debian though I
>> know it's used successfully on other distributions as well.  Honestly, as
>> much as I love to spread the love of Evergreen from what I can infer from
>> your post I don't think this would be the right direction for you.
>>
>> Running a production system on a VM is dubious though possible but then
>> connecting clients, doing the configuration, etc... these are going to
>> require a big investment of time and energy on the part of staff.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 6:25 PM, Ben T.  wrote:
>>
>>> Hello All,
>>>
>>> I volunteer for a tiny library that is growing.  At this point we're
>>> looking for a way to manage our check-outs/returns some way more efficient
>>> than paper and pencil.  Evergreen seems like it could be a good solution
>>> for us, however we are not able to afford a server at this point nor a
>>> subscription (we basically have no money).  Is there any way (hopefully a
>>> simple one) to run Evergreen just on a single Windows (7) machine, keeping
>>> the catalog and patron information locally?
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Ben
>>> Librarian Volunteer
>>> Kendall Clawson Library
>>>
>>> p.s. I am decently tech savvy, but not VERY tech savvy.  I won't be able
>>> to do any major amount of coding on my own.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Rogan Hamby, MLS, CCNP, MIA
>> Managers Headquarters Library and Reference Services,
>> York County Library System
>>
>> “You can never get a cup of tea large enough or a book long enough to
>> suit me.”
>> ― C.S. Lewis 
>>
>
>


-- 

Rogan Hamby, MLS, CCNP, MIA
Managers Headquarters Library and Reference Services,
York County Library System

“You can never get a cup of tea large enough or a book long enough to suit
me.”
― C.S. Lewis 

Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Help for a tiny library?

[Mark Ehle]

Not at all dubious, Rogan. We run Sirsi Symphony as a VM and have been for
years. We pretty much don't run our servers on anything else *but* VM's.
It's just how things are done now. I've run Evergreen in Virtual Box
(totally free) on my PC to play with it and it works just fine. Given a
decent enough PC,mainly enough memory, I'm sure you could run Evergreen on
a VM for a few clients for a small library.

On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 10:49 AM, Rogan Hamby 
wrote:

> Hi Ben,
>
> This was alluded to but to be clear, Evergreen isn't Windows software.
> Evergreen was built to run on Linux and is commonly run on Debian though I
> know it's used successfully on other distributions as well.  Honestly, as
> much as I love to spread the love of Evergreen from what I can infer from
> your post I don't think this would be the right direction for you.
>
> Running a production system on a VM is dubious though possible but then
> connecting clients, doing the configuration, etc... these are going to
> require a big investment of time and energy on the part of staff.
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 6:25 PM, Ben T.  wrote:
>
>> Hello All,
>>
>> I volunteer for a tiny library that is growing.  At this point we're
>> looking for a way to manage our check-outs/returns some way more efficient
>> than paper and pencil.  Evergreen seems like it could be a good solution
>> for us, however we are not able to afford a server at this point nor a
>> subscription (we basically have no money).  Is there any way (hopefully a
>> simple one) to run Evergreen just on a single Windows (7) machine, keeping
>> the catalog and patron information locally?
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Ben
>> Librarian Volunteer
>> Kendall Clawson Library
>>
>> p.s. I am decently tech savvy, but not VERY tech savvy.  I won't be able
>> to do any major amount of coding on my own.
>>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Rogan Hamby, MLS, CCNP, MIA
> Managers Headquarters Library and Reference Services,
> York County Library System
>
> “You can never get a cup of tea large enough or a book long enough to suit
> me.”
> ― C.S. Lewis 
>

Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Help for a tiny library?

[Rogan Hamby]

Hi Ben,

This was alluded to but to be clear, Evergreen isn't Windows software.
Evergreen was built to run on Linux and is commonly run on Debian though I
know it's used successfully on other distributions as well.  Honestly, as
much as I love to spread the love of Evergreen from what I can infer from
your post I don't think this would be the right direction for you.

Running a production system on a VM is dubious though possible but then
connecting clients, doing the configuration, etc... these are going to
require a big investment of time and energy on the part of staff.




On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 6:25 PM, Ben T.  wrote:

> Hello All,
>
> I volunteer for a tiny library that is growing.  At this point we're
> looking for a way to manage our check-outs/returns some way more efficient
> than paper and pencil.  Evergreen seems like it could be a good solution
> for us, however we are not able to afford a server at this point nor a
> subscription (we basically have no money).  Is there any way (hopefully a
> simple one) to run Evergreen just on a single Windows (7) machine, keeping
> the catalog and patron information locally?
>
> Sincerely,
> Ben
> Librarian Volunteer
> Kendall Clawson Library
>
> p.s. I am decently tech savvy, but not VERY tech savvy.  I won't be able
> to do any major amount of coding on my own.
>



-- 

Rogan Hamby, MLS, CCNP, MIA
Managers Headquarters Library and Reference Services,
York County Library System

“You can never get a cup of tea large enough or a book long enough to suit
me.”
― C.S. Lewis 

Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Help for a tiny library?

[Mark Ehle]

You might be able to run Evergreen as a virtual machine on your windows box
- I would use VirtualBox. Just make sure to have a rigorous backup regimen.

On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 8:51 AM, Yunus  wrote:

> Dear Ben,
>
> May test OpenBiblio interface.
>
> Yunus
>
> On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 2:25 AM, Ben T.  wrote:
>
>> Hello All,
>>
>> I volunteer for a tiny library that is growing.  At this point we're
>> looking for a way to manage our check-outs/returns some way more efficient
>> than paper and pencil.  Evergreen seems like it could be a good solution
>> for us, however we are not able to afford a server at this point nor a
>> subscription (we basically have no money).  Is there any way (hopefully a
>> simple one) to run Evergreen just on a single Windows (7) machine, keeping
>> the catalog and patron information locally?
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Ben
>> Librarian Volunteer
>> Kendall Clawson Library
>>
>> p.s. I am decently tech savvy, but not VERY tech savvy.  I won't be able
>> to do any major amount of coding on my own.
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Yunus
>

Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Help for a tiny library?

[Yunus]

Dear Ben,

May test OpenBiblio interface.

Yunus

On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 2:25 AM, Ben T.  wrote:

> Hello All,
>
> I volunteer for a tiny library that is growing.  At this point we're
> looking for a way to manage our check-outs/returns some way more efficient
> than paper and pencil.  Evergreen seems like it could be a good solution
> for us, however we are not able to afford a server at this point nor a
> subscription (we basically have no money).  Is there any way (hopefully a
> simple one) to run Evergreen just on a single Windows (7) machine, keeping
> the catalog and patron information locally?
>
> Sincerely,
> Ben
> Librarian Volunteer
> Kendall Clawson Library
>
> p.s. I am decently tech savvy, but not VERY tech savvy.  I won't be able
> to do any major amount of coding on my own.
>



-- 
Regards,

Yunus

Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] help with fix due date check out

[Cerninakova Eva]

Hi Janice,

your problem reminds me little bit the problem I solved couple weeks ago,
see
http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.education.libraries.open-ils.general/9723

Eva



2014-05-19 16:44 GMT+02:00 Thomas Berezansky :

> One question to start with:
>
> Is your fixed date more than 4 weeks away or less? If more, did you set
> the option to make it take effect always instead of just being a cut off
> date?
>
>
> Quoting Janice Huber :
>
>  We are getting ready to go live in July. I have been struggling to get a
>> successful test of the fixed due date check out. I was under the belief
>> that I could set a cir rule that would make that happen but when I check
>> out a book to myself it only gives me the default four weeks.
>>
>> Any ideas? Any volunteers to talk with me by phone?
>>
>> Many, many thanks,
>>
>> Janice Huber
>> Information Commons Manager
>> 204 N Lexington Ave
>> Wilmore, KY 40390
>> 859.858.2230
>>
>
>
> Thomas Berezansky
> Merrimack Valley Library Consortium
>



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Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] help with fix due date check out

[Thomas Berezansky]

One question to start with:

Is your fixed date more than 4 weeks away or less? If more, did you  
set the option to make it take effect always instead of just being a  
cut off date?


Quoting Janice Huber :


We are getting ready to go live in July. I have been struggling to get a
successful test of the fixed due date check out. I was under the belief
that I could set a cir rule that would make that happen but when I check
out a book to myself it only gives me the default four weeks.

Any ideas? Any volunteers to talk with me by phone?

Many, many thanks,

Janice Huber
Information Commons Manager
204 N Lexington Ave
Wilmore, KY 40390
859.858.2230



Thomas Berezansky
Merrimack Valley Library Consortium

Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Help with Circulation Limit Sets & Groups

[Deana Cunningham]

Thank you to Jason and Joan! I think I finally have it sorted out (at least my 
test patron was able to check out 5 magazines and a DVD today). I had to update 
all the circ policies that were impacted by this problem to reflect the new 
Circ Limit Sets I set up the other night!

I still would like to know what the Circulation Limit Groups does, though. 
Don't worry, I have no intention of trying it to see what it does...

Happy weekend everyone!

Deana

Deana Cunningham
Branch Manager, South Branch Library
1550 S. Campus Dr.
Creedmoor, NC 27522
Phone: (919) 528-1752
Fax: (919) 528-1376
deana.cunning...@granvillecounty.org

Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Help with Circulation Limit Sets & Groups

[Boyer, Jason A]

This is how we've got things set up in Indiana and they seem to be working well:

We don't use the groups for anything. (They're not at all related to user 
groups, but I'm having a hard time determining the point from a quick glance)

We have 4 entries in config.circ_limit_set: dvds, videos, games, and art. Since 
they're consortium-wide limits, the owning_lib is the consortium and the depth 
is 0.

There's an entry in config.circ_limit_set_circ_mod_map for each circ mod 
affected (i.e. several different dvd-related circ mods tied to the one dvd 
circ_limit_set)

Entries in config.circ_matrix_limit_set_map tie your limit sets to circ matrix 
matchpoints. This is where it may become tricky to apply them without having to 
canvas the whole circ matrix. We only mention circ durations in a single matrix 
matchpoint for each circ_modifier, so we only have 10 links between limit sets 
and those few circ matrix rows. (i.e. one from each dvd-related circ mod row to 
the dvd limit)

We have fallthrough=true on all of them; I think that's to cover the case where 
the first matching circ matrix row isn't connected to a limit, but 
$SRC/OpenILS/src/sql/Pg/100.circ_matrix.sql holds the answer to that question.

I'm sure there's much more you could do (and it would get much more complicated 
if you allow local control) but this is working well for us. I hope it helps!

Jason

--
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Indiana State Library
http://library.in.gov/
317-234-2128

From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org 
[mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Deana 
Cunningham
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2014 7:17 PM
To: open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org
Subject: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Help with Circulation Limit Sets & Groups

Hi all,

We recently migrated from Evergreen 2.3.2 to 2.5.1, and I am having trouble 
separating out Circulation Limit Sets. In 2.3.2 I had Circulation Limit Sets 
set up for the majority of our items (books, etc.) at 999 (unlimited). I have 
Circulation Limit Sets for our DVDs and Magazines (5 items at a time). This 
should be 5 dvd's and 5 magazines max. However, for some reason the system is 
seeing them as the same type item (even though I edited the Circulation Limit 
Sets to include the correct circulation modifiers and broke up the original set 
"DVD, Magazine" into two separate sets). So if a patron has 5 magazines out 
they aren't able to check out even one DVD. We also have several other item 
types that are limited because of their type, and I want the system to be able 
to distinguish that a patron can have one item of AV equipment and one of our 
reusable carry bags checked out at the same time - but not two carry bags.

I am also not really clear on the impact of circulation limit groups on these 
policies. Are "sets" specific to items and "groups" specific to people?

I do not know for a fact that this was working in 2.3.2, as it is rare that 
this situation arises, but since I discovered it tonight I have had no success 
in clearing it up. Any advice?

Thanks!

Deana

Deana Cunningham
Branch Manager, South Branch Library
1550 S. Campus Dr.
Creedmoor, NC 27522
Phone: (919) 528-1752
Fax: (919) 528-1376
deana.cunning...@granvillecounty.org

Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Help with Org Unit Proximity Adjustments

[Grace Dunbar]

Hi,
Mike Rylander and I found two bugs in and around proximity adjustments and
best hold selection sort order.  These bugs now have patches available.
https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1271293
https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1269906

Everything now seems to be working as intended.

For the scenario: I want one (or all) systems to have books they own come
home to fill holds in their owning library system before holds outside the
owning system are filled, regardless of the order in which they were
placed, the set up should look something like this.
Best Hold Selection Sort Order:
aprox
priority (optional)
cut in line (optional)
rtime

Then there is a proximity adjustment to the system level of System A --
 circ lib to pickup lib = “0” and check Absolute.
If you want this behavior across ALL systems, you simply set each system up
with a circ to pickup lib of “0” and check Absolute - be sure to give them
unique names.

Then, from the Library Setting Editor, you go to Best-hold selection sort
order and for each system that wants to use this, you set the context to
that system and the value to their named proximity adjustment that you just
created.

Preferably, you would use the same kinds of holds across the consortia (all
FIFO or all traditional).  Though I admit I haven't tested it with multiple
holds structures set up - it might still work.

Grace



On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 8:14 AM, Joan Kranich  wrote:

>  Thanks for asking about the Holds parameters.  I am also interested in
> this information.
>
>
>
> Joan
>
>
>
> Joan Kranich
>
> C/W MARS Member Services
>
> jkran...@cwmars.org
>
> 508-755-3323 ext. 21
>
>
>
> *From:* open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [mailto:
> open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] *On Behalf Of *Smith,
> Kathleen
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 12, 2013 2:38 PM
> *To:* open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org
> *Subject:* [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Help with Org Unit Proximity Adjustments
>
>
>
> Hi all,
>
>
>
> I’m trying to prioritize holds in our 10 system consortia so holds for
> System A’s branches are filled with System A’s copies first in hold order
> (FIFO) – regardless of pickup location. But once System A’s holds have been
> filled, their copies are then available to fill holds at System B, or C or
> D’s branches. I think work was done in the past year re: org unit prox and
> best hold selection to address this need.
>
>
>
> Right now we’re just using the default org unit prox adj and Traditional
> best hold selection sort order for the consortia. This works fine for
> targeting and/or if there’s no holds queue. But if there’s a queue, holds
> at popular pickup locations in System A are filled first.  Holds at
> smaller, less busy, isolated branches may eventually be filled, but they’re
> often last in line.
>
>
>
> I think these 2 functions are the key to reprioritizing holds within a
> System, but I’m not sure how to start. Do I make the proximity zero btwn
> each branch within System A? Relative or Absolute? Then set System A to
> FIFO best hold selection? Will that leave the default unit prox adj intact
> between Systems? Can I still set the Consortia to use Traditional best hold
> selection?
>
>
>
> I’d appreciate any advice if you’ve been able to configure your holds in
> the way I described. Thanks.
>
>
>
> Kathleen Smith, Associate Systems Librarian
>
> San Joaquin Valley Library System
>
> 2420 Mariposa Street, Fresno, CA 93721
>
> kathleen.sm...@sjvls.org
>
> 559-600-6256
>
>
>



-- 
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Equinox Software, Inc.  -  The Open Source Experts
gdun...@esilibrary.com
1-877-OPEN-ILSwww.esilibrary.com

Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] help with opensrf install

[Lebbeous Fogle-Weekley]

On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 12:53 PM, Matthias Steinholz
 wrote:
> Hey Yamil and Ben, et al.,
>
> I did indeed attempt an install on Ubuntu Precise, no dice. I wasn't able to
> get the opensrf user setup. I am not versed enough in Ubuntu to make the
> sudo command do for me what the su command does in plain Debian. :)

Sudo doesn't have to be that hard.  I'm not sure what action you're
having difficulty with that involves sudo, but if you just want a root
shell, like su would give you, try `sudo -s` for that or `sudo -i` for
a root login shell.

> As it
> is, I'm back where I started. Let me recount where I am right now.
>
> 1. Reinstalled on Debian wheezy
> 2. Using OpenSRF 2.2.1 from Evergreen site
> 3. After the shsrf test did not work I checked the log file and @ /var/log/
> and the ejabberd log showed that I somehow there were too many connections.

Can you paste the relevant content of these logs?  If you didn't do so
already, try `egrep 'ERR|WARN' /openils/var/log/osrfsys.log`.  You can
redact IP addresses and hostnames first if you consider them
sensitive.  The exact log messages may help somebody see the problem.
Also paste the log messages from ejabberd that you refer to.

> [...]
> At this point I'm hopelessly lost and frustrated! :)
>
> What kills me, is that just a week or so I was able to get it to run on a
> different machine. But now, on this x64 Dell, no dice! This Dell, is the
> machine I have to use for the ILS.
>

As long as the machine has at least 2GB of RAM and otherwise seems to
behave, it's not very likely there's a hardware problem getting in the
way of setting up opensrf.  With more details and we may yet be able
to find the problem!

Lebbeous

> Martin
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 3:59 PM, Yamil Suarez  wrote:
>>
>> Matt,
>>
>> Have you received any help on this yet? I may not be able to help you, but
>> I can ask you a couple of questions that those that can may need the answer
>> to before they can help you.
>>
>> 1) Which installation instructions for OSRF are you using?
>>
>> The only valid/supported instructions the community maintains are here…
>>
>> http://evergreen-ils.org/opensrf-downloads/
>>
>>
>> 2) Which versions of OSRFare you trying to install?
>>
>>
>> 3) What is the OS version that you are using, also is it a physical PC or
>> are you using a virtual machine?
>>
>>
>>
>> 4) How much free hard drive space do you have on this machine? How much
>> RAM?
>>
>>
>> Again, I probably can't help you, but it always helps to have the answers
>> to these questions when getting help from those that can help.
>>
>>
>> Good luck,
>> Yamil
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Dec 13, 2013, at 4:13 PM, Matthias Steinholz 
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Hey Everyone,
>> > I have searched the list-serv archives, reinstalled the pc four times
>> > with different flavours of Debian and Ubuntu, and still cannot get opensrf
>> > to install. I'm wracking my brains, trying to get this to work again. I was
>> > able to get it to work once, a week or so ago on a different install and
>> > different PC.
>> >
>> > I have double checked the opensrf_core.xml settings, AND the
>> > ejabberd.cfg settings. Of course, I may have made a mistake.
>> >
>> > Opensrf starts and stops fine, and it isn't until I test the
>> > opensrf.math that the install fails. I could really, use your help! :)
>> >
>> > The error message I'm receiving is:
>> > "Received no data from server"
>> >
>> > ...when I enter request opensrf.math add 2,2 in the srfsh# prompt.
>> >
>> > At this point I'm so frustrated that I'm not sure what to do.
>> >
>> > Thanks!
>> >
>> > Matt
>>
>



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 | Senior Software Developer
 | Equinox Software, Inc. / The Open Source Experts
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Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] help with opensrf install

[Matthias Steinholz]

I did once upon a time, but I can try it again. :( It is for a very small
collection and doesn't need much. I may go that route today and see where
it leads me.



On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 12:56 PM, Jason Stephenson wrote:

> You indicated in IRC that was for a school. Have you tried Koha?
>
> On 12/18/2013 12:53 PM, Matthias Steinholz wrote:
> > Hey Yamil and Ben, et al.,
> >
> > I did indeed attempt an install on Ubuntu Precise, no dice. I wasn't
> > able to get the opensrf user setup. I am not versed enough in Ubuntu to
> > make the sudo command do for me what the su command does in plain
> > Debian. :) As it is, I'm back where I started. Let me recount where I am
> > right now.
> >
> > 1. Reinstalled on Debian wheezy
> > 2. Using OpenSRF 2.2.1 from Evergreen site
> > 3. After the shsrf test did not work I checked the log file and @
> > /var/log/ and the ejabberd log showed that I somehow there were too many
> > connections.
> > 4. I have double, triple and quadruple checked the opensrf_core.xml and
> > ejabberd.cfg files and do not see any errors in my setup.
> >
> > At this point I'm hopelessly lost and frustrated! :)
> >
> > What kills me, is that just a week or so I was able to get it to run on
> > a different machine. But now, on this x64 Dell, no dice! This Dell, is
> > the machine I have to use for the ILS.
> >
> > Martin
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 3:59 PM, Yamil Suarez  > > wrote:
> >
> > Matt,
> >
> > Have you received any help on this yet? I may not be able to help
> > you, but I can ask you a couple of questions that those that can may
> > need the answer to before they can help you.
> >
> > 1) Which installation instructions for OSRF are you using?
> >
> > The only valid/supported instructions the community maintains are
> here…
> >
> > http://evergreen-ils.org/opensrf-downloads/
> >
> >
> > 2) Which versions of OSRFare you trying to install?
> >
> >
> > 3) What is the OS version that you are using, also is it a physical
> > PC or are you using a virtual machine?
> >
> >
> >
> > 4) How much free hard drive space do you have on this machine? How
> > much RAM?
> >
> >
> > Again, I probably can't help you, but it always helps to have the
> > answers to these questions when getting help from those that can
> help.
> >
> >
> > Good luck,
> > Yamil
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Dec 13, 2013, at 4:13 PM, Matthias Steinholz
> > mailto:mdsteinh...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > > Hey Everyone,
> > > I have searched the list-serv archives, reinstalled the pc four
> > times with different flavours of Debian and Ubuntu, and still cannot
> > get opensrf to install. I'm wracking my brains, trying to get this
> > to work again. I was able to get it to work once, a week or so ago
> > on a different install and different PC.
> > >
> > > I have double checked the opensrf_core.xml settings, AND the
> > ejabberd.cfg settings. Of course, I may have made a mistake.
> > >
> > > Opensrf starts and stops fine, and it isn't until I test the
> > opensrf.math that the install fails. I could really, use your help!
> :)
> > >
> > > The error message I'm receiving is:
> > > "Received no data from server"
> > >
> > > ...when I enter request opensrf.math add 2,2 in the srfsh# prompt.
> > >
> > > At this point I'm so frustrated that I'm not sure what to do.
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> > >
> > > Matt
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Jason Stephenson
> Assistant Director for Technology Services
> Merrimack Valley Library Consortium
>

Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] help with opensrf install

[Jason Stephenson]

You indicated in IRC that was for a school. Have you tried Koha?

On 12/18/2013 12:53 PM, Matthias Steinholz wrote:
> Hey Yamil and Ben, et al.,
> 
> I did indeed attempt an install on Ubuntu Precise, no dice. I wasn't
> able to get the opensrf user setup. I am not versed enough in Ubuntu to
> make the sudo command do for me what the su command does in plain
> Debian. :) As it is, I'm back where I started. Let me recount where I am
> right now.
> 
> 1. Reinstalled on Debian wheezy
> 2. Using OpenSRF 2.2.1 from Evergreen site
> 3. After the shsrf test did not work I checked the log file and @
> /var/log/ and the ejabberd log showed that I somehow there were too many
> connections.
> 4. I have double, triple and quadruple checked the opensrf_core.xml and
> ejabberd.cfg files and do not see any errors in my setup.
> 
> At this point I'm hopelessly lost and frustrated! :)
> 
> What kills me, is that just a week or so I was able to get it to run on
> a different machine. But now, on this x64 Dell, no dice! This Dell, is
> the machine I have to use for the ILS.
> 
> Martin
> 
> 
> On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 3:59 PM, Yamil Suarez  > wrote:
> 
> Matt,
> 
> Have you received any help on this yet? I may not be able to help
> you, but I can ask you a couple of questions that those that can may
> need the answer to before they can help you.
> 
> 1) Which installation instructions for OSRF are you using?
> 
> The only valid/supported instructions the community maintains are here…
> 
> http://evergreen-ils.org/opensrf-downloads/
> 
> 
> 2) Which versions of OSRFare you trying to install?
> 
> 
> 3) What is the OS version that you are using, also is it a physical
> PC or are you using a virtual machine?
> 
> 
> 
> 4) How much free hard drive space do you have on this machine? How
> much RAM?
> 
> 
> Again, I probably can't help you, but it always helps to have the
> answers to these questions when getting help from those that can help.
> 
> 
> Good luck,
> Yamil
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 13, 2013, at 4:13 PM, Matthias Steinholz
> mailto:mdsteinh...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> > Hey Everyone,
> > I have searched the list-serv archives, reinstalled the pc four
> times with different flavours of Debian and Ubuntu, and still cannot
> get opensrf to install. I'm wracking my brains, trying to get this
> to work again. I was able to get it to work once, a week or so ago
> on a different install and different PC.
> >
> > I have double checked the opensrf_core.xml settings, AND the
> ejabberd.cfg settings. Of course, I may have made a mistake.
> >
> > Opensrf starts and stops fine, and it isn't until I test the
> opensrf.math that the install fails. I could really, use your help! :)
> >
> > The error message I'm receiving is:
> > "Received no data from server"
> >
> > ...when I enter request opensrf.math add 2,2 in the srfsh# prompt.
> >
> > At this point I'm so frustrated that I'm not sure what to do.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Matt
> 
> 


-- 
Jason Stephenson
Assistant Director for Technology Services
Merrimack Valley Library Consortium

Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] help with opensrf install

[Matthias Steinholz]

Hey Yamil and Ben, et al.,

I did indeed attempt an install on Ubuntu Precise, no dice. I wasn't able
to get the opensrf user setup. I am not versed enough in Ubuntu to make the
sudo command do for me what the su command does in plain Debian. :) As it
is, I'm back where I started. Let me recount where I am right now.

1. Reinstalled on Debian wheezy
2. Using OpenSRF 2.2.1 from Evergreen site
3. After the shsrf test did not work I checked the log file and @ /var/log/
and the ejabberd log showed that I somehow there were too many connections.
4. I have double, triple and quadruple checked the opensrf_core.xml and
ejabberd.cfg files and do not see any errors in my setup.

At this point I'm hopelessly lost and frustrated! :)

What kills me, is that just a week or so I was able to get it to run on a
different machine. But now, on this x64 Dell, no dice! This Dell, is the
machine I have to use for the ILS.

Martin


On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 3:59 PM, Yamil Suarez  wrote:

> Matt,
>
> Have you received any help on this yet? I may not be able to help you, but
> I can ask you a couple of questions that those that can may need the answer
> to before they can help you.
>
> 1) Which installation instructions for OSRF are you using?
>
> The only valid/supported instructions the community maintains are here…
>
> http://evergreen-ils.org/opensrf-downloads/
>
>
> 2) Which versions of OSRFare you trying to install?
>
>
> 3) What is the OS version that you are using, also is it a physical PC or
> are you using a virtual machine?
>
>
>
> 4) How much free hard drive space do you have on this machine? How much
> RAM?
>
>
> Again, I probably can't help you, but it always helps to have the answers
> to these questions when getting help from those that can help.
>
>
> Good luck,
> Yamil
>
>
>
>
> On Dec 13, 2013, at 4:13 PM, Matthias Steinholz 
> wrote:
>
> > Hey Everyone,
> > I have searched the list-serv archives, reinstalled the pc four times
> with different flavours of Debian and Ubuntu, and still cannot get opensrf
> to install. I'm wracking my brains, trying to get this to work again. I was
> able to get it to work once, a week or so ago on a different install and
> different PC.
> >
> > I have double checked the opensrf_core.xml settings, AND the
> ejabberd.cfg settings. Of course, I may have made a mistake.
> >
> > Opensrf starts and stops fine, and it isn't until I test the
> opensrf.math that the install fails. I could really, use your help! :)
> >
> > The error message I'm receiving is:
> > "Received no data from server"
> >
> > ...when I enter request opensrf.math add 2,2 in the srfsh# prompt.
> >
> > At this point I'm so frustrated that I'm not sure what to do.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Matt
>
>

Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] help with opensrf install

[Ben Shum]

Hey Yamil,

For note, Matt jumped into IRC after he sent that email to the general
list.  I asked him a few details about his linux installation to see
what his situation was.  He indicated trying another installation with
a different OS.

This was the IRC log from that day:
http://irc.evergreen-ils.org/evergreen/2013-12-13#i_54115

-- Ben

On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 3:59 PM, Yamil Suarez  wrote:
> Matt,
>
> Have you received any help on this yet? I may not be able to help you, but I 
> can ask you a couple of questions that those that can may need the answer to 
> before they can help you.
>
> 1) Which installation instructions for OSRF are you using?
>
> The only valid/supported instructions the community maintains are here…
>
> http://evergreen-ils.org/opensrf-downloads/
>
>
> 2) Which versions of OSRFare you trying to install?
>
>
> 3) What is the OS version that you are using, also is it a physical PC or are 
> you using a virtual machine?
>
>
>
> 4) How much free hard drive space do you have on this machine? How much RAM?
>
>
> Again, I probably can't help you, but it always helps to have the answers to 
> these questions when getting help from those that can help.
>
>
> Good luck,
> Yamil
>
>
>
>
> On Dec 13, 2013, at 4:13 PM, Matthias Steinholz  wrote:
>
>> Hey Everyone,
>> I have searched the list-serv archives, reinstalled the pc four times with 
>> different flavours of Debian and Ubuntu, and still cannot get opensrf to 
>> install. I'm wracking my brains, trying to get this to work again. I was 
>> able to get it to work once, a week or so ago on a different install and 
>> different PC.
>>
>> I have double checked the opensrf_core.xml settings, AND the ejabberd.cfg 
>> settings. Of course, I may have made a mistake.
>>
>> Opensrf starts and stops fine, and it isn't until I test the opensrf.math 
>> that the install fails. I could really, use your help! :)
>>
>> The error message I'm receiving is:
>> "Received no data from server"
>>
>> ...when I enter request opensrf.math add 2,2 in the srfsh# prompt.
>>
>> At this point I'm so frustrated that I'm not sure what to do.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Matt
>

Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] help with opensrf install

[Yamil Suarez]

Matt,

Have you received any help on this yet? I may not be able to help you, but I 
can ask you a couple of questions that those that can may need the answer to 
before they can help you.

1) Which installation instructions for OSRF are you using? 

The only valid/supported instructions the community maintains are here…
 
http://evergreen-ils.org/opensrf-downloads/


2) Which versions of OSRFare you trying to install?


3) What is the OS version that you are using, also is it a physical PC or are 
you using a virtual machine?



4) How much free hard drive space do you have on this machine? How much RAM?


Again, I probably can't help you, but it always helps to have the answers to 
these questions when getting help from those that can help.


Good luck,
Yamil




On Dec 13, 2013, at 4:13 PM, Matthias Steinholz  wrote:

> Hey Everyone,
> I have searched the list-serv archives, reinstalled the pc four times with 
> different flavours of Debian and Ubuntu, and still cannot get opensrf to 
> install. I'm wracking my brains, trying to get this to work again. I was able 
> to get it to work once, a week or so ago on a different install and different 
> PC.
> 
> I have double checked the opensrf_core.xml settings, AND the ejabberd.cfg 
> settings. Of course, I may have made a mistake. 
> 
> Opensrf starts and stops fine, and it isn't until I test the opensrf.math 
> that the install fails. I could really, use your help! :)
> 
> The error message I'm receiving is:
> "Received no data from server"
> 
> ...when I enter request opensrf.math add 2,2 in the srfsh# prompt.
> 
> At this point I'm so frustrated that I'm not sure what to do. 
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Matt

Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Help with Org Unit Proximity Adjustments

[Joan Kranich]

Thanks for asking about the Holds parameters.  I am also interested in this 
information.

Joan

Joan Kranich
C/W MARS Member Services
jkran...@cwmars.org
508-755-3323 ext. 21

From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org 
[mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Smith, 
Kathleen
Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2013 2:38 PM
To: open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org
Subject: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Help with Org Unit Proximity Adjustments

Hi all,

I'm trying to prioritize holds in our 10 system consortia so holds for System 
A's branches are filled with System A's copies first in hold order (FIFO) - 
regardless of pickup location. But once System A's holds have been filled, 
their copies are then available to fill holds at System B, or C or D's 
branches. I think work was done in the past year re: org unit prox and best 
hold selection to address this need.

Right now we're just using the default org unit prox adj and Traditional best 
hold selection sort order for the consortia. This works fine for targeting 
and/or if there's no holds queue. But if there's a queue, holds at popular 
pickup locations in System A are filled first.  Holds at smaller, less busy, 
isolated branches may eventually be filled, but they're often last in line.

I think these 2 functions are the key to reprioritizing holds within a System, 
but I'm not sure how to start. Do I make the proximity zero btwn each branch 
within System A? Relative or Absolute? Then set System A to FIFO best hold 
selection? Will that leave the default unit prox adj intact between Systems? 
Can I still set the Consortia to use Traditional best hold selection?

I'd appreciate any advice if you've been able to configure your holds in the 
way I described. Thanks.

Kathleen Smith, Associate Systems Librarian
San Joaquin Valley Library System
2420 Mariposa Street, Fresno, CA 93721
kathleen.sm...@sjvls.org
559-600-6256

Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Help finding the opt-in for patron circulation history

[Srey Seng]

Hello,

On Evergreen master, a patron can allow Evergreen to keep a history of checked 
out items and/or holds placed by logging onto the website and check the 
appropriate box (Keep history of checked out items?, Keep history of holds?) 
under Account Preferences -> Search and History Preferences.

From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org 
[mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Deana 
Cunningham
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 12:55 PM
To: open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org
Subject: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Help finding the opt-in for patron circulation 
history

Hi all,

 Some of our patrons would love Evergreen to keep their circulation history 
automatically with out the need to put items in a bookbag. I know Evergreen is 
capable of this as I turned it on in the library setting editor, but I can't 
seem to find the page in the documentation that tells us how to make that 
available to patrons.

Thanks - again!

Deana Cunningham
Branch Manager, South Branch Library
1550 S. Campus Dr.
Creedmoor, NC 27522
Phone: (919) 528-1752
Fax: (919) 528-1376
deana.cunning...@granvillecounty.org

Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Help finding the opt-in for patron circulation history

[Tony Bandy]

Hi Deana,

I'm no expert, but on our system, if the patron logs on via the OPAC, it
shows up in their account settings:

Keep history of checked out items?
Keep history of holds?


Hope this helps

---Tony

On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 3:55 PM, Deana Cunningham <
deana.cunning...@granvillecounty.org> wrote:

>  Hi all,
>
>   Some of our patrons would love Evergreen to keep their circulation
> history automatically with out the need to put items in a bookbag. I know
> Evergreen is capable of this as I turned it on in the library setting
> editor, but I can't seem to find the page in the documentation that tells
> us how to make that available to patrons.
>
>  Thanks - again!
>
> Deana Cunningham
> Branch Manager, South Branch Library
> 1550 S. Campus Dr.
> Creedmoor, NC 27522
> Phone: (919) 528-1752
> Fax: (919) 528-1376
> deana.cunning...@granvillecounty.org
>



-- 
Tony Bandy
to...@ohionet.org
OHIONET
1500 West Lane Ave.
Columbus, OH  43221-3975
614-486-2966 x19

Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Help on Circ. Matrix Weights if you can....

[Tony Bandy]

Thanks for the update...appreciate it!  Any information helps!

Tony

***
Tony Bandy
to...@ohionet.org
OHIONET
1500 West Lane Ave.
Columbus, OH  43221-3975
1-800-686-8975 x19




On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 9:25 AM, Thomas Berezansky  wrote:

> The weights are associated with org units based on the weights association
> table.
>
> The circulating library is the org unit for circ weights, I believe a
> global flag determines if the copy owning or circ library is the org unit
> for hold weights.
>
> Thomas Berezansky
> Merrimack Valley Library Consortium
>
>
>
> Quoting Tony Bandy :
>
>  Hi all,
>>
>> Working with one of our libraries on getting things to circulate properly,
>> and I'm needing some background information on the Circ. Matrix Weights
>> table--can you help?
>>
>> Specifically, my weights table has three lines:
>>
>> Default
>> Org_Unit_First
>> Item_Owner_First
>> All_Equal
>>
>> Since all of these lines assign different numerical values to each of the
>> categories, how or when is each applied?  That is, which line of the 4
>> above is applied when configuring the weights on a checkout?
>>
>> All the documentation I can find talks generically about the weights but
>> does not specifically say when or how each line is applied.
>>
>> Any ideas you can help with will be most appreciated.
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Tony
>>
>> *
>> Tony Bandy
>> to...@ohionet.org
>> OHIONET
>> 1500 West Lane Ave.
>> Columbus, OH  43221-3975
>> 1-800-686-8975 x19
>> **
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Help on Circ. Matrix Weights if you can....

[Thomas Berezansky]

The weights are associated with org units based on the weights  
association table.


The circulating library is the org unit for circ weights, I believe a  
global flag determines if the copy owning or circ library is the org  
unit for hold weights.


Thomas Berezansky
Merrimack Valley Library Consortium


Quoting Tony Bandy :


Hi all,

Working with one of our libraries on getting things to circulate properly,
and I'm needing some background information on the Circ. Matrix Weights
table--can you help?

Specifically, my weights table has three lines:

Default
Org_Unit_First
Item_Owner_First
All_Equal

Since all of these lines assign different numerical values to each of the
categories, how or when is each applied?  That is, which line of the 4
above is applied when configuring the weights on a checkout?

All the documentation I can find talks generically about the weights but
does not specifically say when or how each line is applied.

Any ideas you can help with will be most appreciated.


Thanks,

Tony

***
Tony Bandy
to...@ohionet.org
OHIONET
1500 West Lane Ave.
Columbus, OH  43221-3975
1-800-686-8975 x19

Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] help setting up serial prediction patterns

[Mieke Stroo]

Hi Tara,

The IISH in Amsterdam has been working with serials prediction for half a year 
now. Some time ago I sent a list of patterns  that you can copy and paste into 
the serials module to this mailing list. I'm not sure your library works with 
serials in the same way as we do. What version of Evergreen are you on? My 
collegue and I will be in Indianapolis next week and we'll be more than happy 
to talk about this some more. 

Hope to see you next week,

Mieke Stroo

International Institute of Social History 
Amsterdam



Van: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org 
[open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] namens Tara Robertson 
[information.detect...@gmail.com]
Verzonden: zaterdag 21 april 2012 0:37
Aan: Evergreen Discussion Group
Onderwerp: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] help setting up serial prediction patterns

Hi,

Is there anyone who has successfully set up serial prediction patterns who will 
be at the Evergreen conference next week? If so, would you be willing to sit 
down with me for a wee bit and help me out?

Perhaps if there's a few of us, we could see if we can work it out together?

Thanks!
Tara

Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Help required in configuration

[Sharp, Chris]

Muhammad,

I'm not sure I understand the problem(s) from your description, which is why I 
didn't respond again.  Perhaps someone else will be able to help, but I think 
you'll need to be more clear about what you're doing and what error messages 
(or other unexpected behavior) occurs.  To continue getting the best help you 
can, please do the following:

1) post your server-level issues to Open-ILS-Dev - subscribe here if you 
haven't already: 
http://libmail.georgialibraries.org/mailman/listinfo/open-ils-dev 

2) alternatively, go to the #evergreen chat channel between 8:00 a.m. and maybe 
9:00 p.m. EST - most of us are in North America.

3) You will need to be more specific (or more clear) about the errors you're 
encountering.  If possible, copy and paste them directly (for large files, use 
a pastebin like http://pastebin.com/ and share the URL in your email or in the 
#evergreen channel), but make sure you do not include your passwords or other 
private information.  Logs and configuration files may also be helpful, but 
which ones depend on the problem you're having.

4) Don't address your emails to a particular person or use private messages in 
chat - you'll get better help if you ask the full list (or chat room).

Hope that helps!

Chris


- Original Message -
> From: "Muhammad Faiz Chishti" 
> To: open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org
> Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2011 12:31:23 AM
> Subject: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Help required in configuration
> You have been very good help Chris Sharp I understand your concern
> regarding posting on the mailing list directly
> 
> 
> 
> the problem is still there, everything works and when we stop
> evergreen via command
> 
> 
> 
> osrf_ctl -l -a stop_all
> 
> 
> 
> and restart server all is down. srfsh command in opensrf login stops
> responding giving
> 
> This command does not work at first instance osrf_ctl -l -a start_all
> 
> to bring things up and running all trouble shooting process has to be
> followed
> 
> down apache server apache2ctl stop down osrf command
> /openils/bin/osrf_ctl.sh -c /openils/conf/opensrf_core.xml -l -a
> stop_all
> 
> rm /openils/var/run/*.pid cd /openils/var/log/ mv *.* old/
> 
> then start services with: /openils/bin/osrf_ctl.sh -c
> /openils/conf/opensrf_core.xml -l -a router_all
> 
> /openils/bin/osrf_ctl.sh -c /openils/conf/opensrf_core.xml -l -a
> perl_all
> 
> /openils/bin/osrf_ctl.sh -c /openils/conf/opensrf_core.xml -l -a c_all
> All famous Smoke test /openils/bin/autogen.sh -c
> /openils/conf/opensrf_core.xml -u
> 
> 
> 
> and additionally it starts giving error fopen unable to access
> /tmp/srfsh.log and some bootstarp error
> 
> then I use chmod 777 /tmp/srfsh.log
> 
> then bring up service for apache after testing srfsh which works fine
> 
> Than bring up apache apache2ctl start
> 
> 
> 
> All this has to be repeated every time the server restarts I would
> really appreciate if this problem is solved
> 
> -
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org
> [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf
> Of Sharp, Chris
> Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 6:03 PM
> To: Evergreen Discussion Group
> Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Help required in configuration
> 
> 
> 
> Hi Muhammad,
> 
> 
> 
> I had answered you in our off-list discussion - I'm assuming you're
> re-asking on the list for others to help (or perhaps my response
> didn't come through?). Here was my response, in:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> First thing I'll say is that it's better to have these discussions on
> the list, because 1) it allows other people to benefit from the
> answers to your questions and 2) it allows more experienced and
> skilled people to verify that the answers I'm giving you are correct.
> 
> 
> 
> > As I have checked according to your guidance the srfsh command was
> > not
> 
> > responding properly I followed the troubleshooting guide and stoped
> 
> > the service with prescribed commands no diagnostic was made except
> 
> > that the apache required a virtual host
> 
> 
> 
> If the error is something like:
> 
> 
> 
> [Mon Feb 07 07:53:36 2011] [warn] NameVirtualHost *:80 has no
> VirtualHosts
> 
> 
> 
> That can be safely ignored.
> 
> 
> 
> > and when I started the
> 
> > services again after the command
> 
> >
> 
> > /openils/bin/autogen.sh -c /op

Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Help required in configuration

[Muhammad Faiz Chishti]

You have been very good help Chris Sharp I understand your concern regarding 
posting on the mailing list directly 

the problem is still there,  everything works and when we stop evergreen via 
command 

osrf_ctl -l -a stop_all

and restart server all is down. srfsh command in opensrf login stops responding 
giving
This command does not work at first instanceosrf_ctl -l -a 
start_all
to bring things up and running all trouble shooting process has to be followed 
down apache server  apache2ctl   stop 
down osrf command /openils/bin/osrf_ctl.sh -c 
/openils/conf/opensrf_core.xml -l -a stop_all
rm /openils/var/run/*.pid
 cd /openils/var/log/
 mv *.* old/
then start  services with:  /openils/bin/osrf_ctl.sh -c 
/openils/conf/opensrf_core.xml -l -a router_all
/openils/bin/osrf_ctl.sh -c 
/openils/conf/opensrf_core.xml -l -a perl_all
/openils/bin/osrf_ctl.sh -c 
/openils/conf/opensrf_core.xml -l -a c_all
All famous Smoke test/openils/bin/autogen.sh -c 
/openils/conf/opensrf_core.xml -u

and additionally it starts giving error fopen unable to access /tmp/srfsh.log   
and some bootstarp error 
then I use  chmod 777 /tmp/srfsh.log 
then bring up service for apache after testing srfsh which works fine 
Than bring up apacheapache2ctl  start

All this has to be repeated every time the server restarts I would really 
appreciate if this problem is solved

-Original Message-
From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org 
[mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Sharp, 
Chris
Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 6:03 PM
To: Evergreen Discussion Group
Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Help required in configuration

Hi Muhammad,

I had answered you in our off-list discussion - I'm assuming you're re-asking 
on the list for others to help (or perhaps my response didn't come through?).  
Here was my response, in:


First thing I'll say is that it's better to have these discussions on the list, 
because 1) it allows other people to benefit from the answers to your questions 
and 2) it allows more experienced and skilled people to verify that the answers 
I'm giving you are correct.
 
> As I have checked according to your guidance the srfsh command was not 
> responding properly I followed the troubleshooting guide and stoped 
> the service with prescribed commands no diagnostic was made except 
> that the apache required a virtual host

If the error is something like:

[Mon Feb 07 07:53:36 2011] [warn] NameVirtualHost *:80 has no VirtualHosts

That can be safely ignored.

> and when I started the
> services again after the command
>
> /openils/bin/autogen.sh -c /openils/conf/opensrf_core.xml -u
>
> Some updates were made and srfsh started to work

If you had not run that command before, that was likely the reason for your 
error.

> Now Sir I don’t understand where the error is but the system seems to 
> work fine if you plz kindly check my server that is
>
> https://evergreen.umt.edu.pk

Aside from testing that the OPAC responds (which it seems to), there's not a 
lot of checking I can really do.  You'll need to be more specific about what 
errors you're encountering.

>
> when I restart the machine I have to go through all the trouble 
> shooting again and than it starts working again it also gives the 
> error fopen some thing on the log file directory /tmp/srfsh.log

The proper way to restart a server running Evergreen is to stop Evergreen 
services (as the opensrf user):

osrf_ctl -l -a stop_all

before you shut down or restart your system.  If you don't do that, you will 
need to manually delete the .pid files in /openils/var/run/ with the command:

rm /openils/var/run/*.pid

then start your services with:

osrf_ctl -l -a start_all

You'll need to provide the specific wording of the error for me (or others on 
the mailing list) to be able to know what it is.
 
> another thing I wanted to ask was which is the best OS and its version 
> to support which Evergreen version that is the most stable.

Ubuntu 10.04 is fine for Evergreen.  Most of the Evergreen development team 
uses Debian stable, and some use Fedora.

Let's take this back to the mailing list if you continue to have issues.  Good 
luck!

Chris


--
Chris Sharp
PINES Program Manager
Georgia Public Library Service
1800 Century Place, Suite 150
Atlanta, Georgia 30345
(404) 235-7147
csh...@georgialibraries.org
http://pines.georgialibraries.org/

Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Help required in configuration

[Sharp, Chris]

Hi Muhammad,

I had answered you in our off-list discussion - I'm assuming you're re-asking 
on the list for others to help (or perhaps my response didn't come through?).  
Here was my response, in:


First thing I'll say is that it's better to have these discussions on the list, 
because 1) it allows other people to benefit from the answers to your questions 
and 2) it allows more experienced and skilled people to verify that the answers 
I'm giving you are correct.
 
> As I have checked according to your guidance the srfsh command was not
> responding properly I followed the troubleshooting guide and stoped
> the service with prescribed commands no diagnostic was made except
> that the apache required a virtual host

If the error is something like:

[Mon Feb 07 07:53:36 2011] [warn] NameVirtualHost *:80 has no VirtualHosts

That can be safely ignored.

> and when I started the
> services again after the command
>
> /openils/bin/autogen.sh -c /openils/conf/opensrf_core.xml -u
>
> Some updates were made and srfsh started to work

If you had not run that command before, that was likely the reason for your 
error.

> Now Sir I don’t understand where the error is but the system seems to
> work fine if you plz kindly check my server that is
>
> https://evergreen.umt.edu.pk

Aside from testing that the OPAC responds (which it seems to), there's not a 
lot of checking I can really do.  You'll need to be more specific about what 
errors you're encountering.

>
> when I restart the machine I have to go through all the trouble
> shooting again and than it starts working again it also gives the
> error fopen some thing on the log file directory /tmp/srfsh.log

The proper way to restart a server running Evergreen is to stop Evergreen 
services (as the opensrf user):

osrf_ctl -l -a stop_all

before you shut down or restart your system.  If you don't do that, you will 
need to manually delete the .pid files in /openils/var/run/ with the command:

rm /openils/var/run/*.pid

then start your services with:

osrf_ctl -l -a start_all

You'll need to provide the specific wording of the error for me (or others on 
the mailing list) to be able to know what it is.
 
> another thing I wanted to ask was which is the best OS and its version
> to support which Evergreen version that is the most stable.

Ubuntu 10.04 is fine for Evergreen.  Most of the Evergreen development team 
uses Debian stable, and some use Fedora.

Let's take this back to the mailing list if you continue to have issues.  Good 
luck!

Chris


-- 
Chris Sharp
PINES Program Manager
Georgia Public Library Service
1800 Century Place, Suite 150
Atlanta, Georgia 30345
(404) 235-7147
csh...@georgialibraries.org
http://pines.georgialibraries.org/

Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Help required in configuration

[Muhammad Faiz Chishti]

Thank you Chris

Things started to work you were absolutely right

As I have checked according to your guidance the  srfsh command was not 
responding properly I followed the troubleshooting guide and stopped the 
service with prescribed commands no diagnostic was made except that the apache 
required a virtual host and when I started the services again after the command

/openils/bin/autogen.sh -c /openils/conf/opensrf_core.xml -u

Some updates were made and srfsh started to work 

Now Sir I don’t understand where the error is but the system seems to work fine 
if you plz kindly check my server that is 


https://evergreen.umt.edu.pk

when I restart the machine I have to go through all the trouble shooting again 
and then it starts working again  it also gives the error fopen something on 
the log file directory /tmp/srfsh.log

another thing I wanted to ask was which is the best OS and its version to 
support which Evergreen version that is the most stable.

I have to install the staff client behind isa server what are the 
configurations required



-Original Message-
From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org 
[mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Sharp, 
Chris
Sent: Monday, February 07, 2011 4:33 PM
To: Evergreen Discussion Group
Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Help required in configuration

Hello again,

> What I meant to ask was if my credentials are Host name given for 
> Ubuntu is : evergreen
> url: evergreen.umt.edu.pk
> 
> What should I give against credentials in evergreen And what would be 
> given againt private.localhost and public.localhost and localhost in 
> evergreen will they be given as it is in the configuration files or 
> they need to be changed in the configuration files as they are said to 
> be examples.

If you have followed the installation instructions exactly, especially step 8 
on this page: http://evergreen-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=opensrf:1.6:install 
, then you don't have to worry about credentials for the private/public domains.

> >>Are you able to login via srfsh?
> Yes srfsh logins fine and the test runs fine & I am using -l switch to 
> start that is osrf_ctl.sh -l -a start_all
> 
> What is the default password for admin user

username: admin
password: open-ils

(Be sure this is the first thing you change if you begin using your system in a 
live instance!)

Now that you know this, start srfsh (as the opensrf user) and follow the 
instructions here: 
http://evergreen-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=server:1.6.1:install#testing_connections_to_evergreen
 .  Does this work as shown in the example?  If not, follow the troubleshooting 
steps here: 
http://evergreen-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=troubleshooting:checking_for_errors
 .

> 
> I have tried to login staff client with admin user and admin as 
> password and all the users but it does not connect at all and gives 
> error { Network or server failure. Please check your Internet 
> connection to undefined and choose Retry Network. If you need to enter 
> Offline Mode, choose Ignore Errors in this and subsequent dialogs. If 
> you believe this error is due to a bug in Evergreen and not network 
> problems, please contact your help desk or friendly Evergreen 
> administrators, and give them this information:
> method=open-ils.auth.authenticate.init
> params=["admin"]
> THROWN:
> Network Failure: status = 
> service=open-ils.auth&method=open-ils.auth.authenticate.init¶m=%22
> admin%22
> STATUS:
> 
> }
> 
> And what is this error

The staff client will not work if the underlying OpenSRF system isn't working.  
A "Network or server failure" message just means that the staff client was not 
able to receive an expected message back from the server.  You need to perform 
the troubleshooting steps I link to above before trying to log in again.

Hope that helps!

--
Chris Sharp
PINES Program Manager
Georgia Public Library Service
1800 Century Place, Suite 150
Atlanta, Georgia 30345
(404) 235-7147
csh...@georgialibraries.org
http://pines.georgialibraries.org/

Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Help required in configuration

[Muhammad Faiz Chishti]

Dear All 

 I have to install the staff client behind isa server what are the 
configurations required

-Original Message-
From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org 
[mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Sharp, 
Chris
Sent: Monday, February 07, 2011 4:33 PM
To: Evergreen Discussion Group
Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Help required in configuration

Hello again,

> What I meant to ask was if my credentials are Host name given for 
> Ubuntu is : evergreen
> url: evergreen.umt.edu.pk
> 
> What should I give against credentials in evergreen And what would be 
> given againt private.localhost and public.localhost and localhost in 
> evergreen will they be given as it is in the configuration files or 
> they need to be changed in the configuration files as they are said to 
> be examples.

If you have followed the installation instructions exactly, especially step 8 
on this page: http://evergreen-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=opensrf:1.6:install 
, then you don't have to worry about credentials for the private/public domains.

> >>Are you able to login via srfsh?
> Yes srfsh logins fine and the test runs fine & I am using -l switch to 
> start that is osrf_ctl.sh -l -a start_all
> 
> What is the default password for admin user

username: admin
password: open-ils

(Be sure this is the first thing you change if you begin using your system in a 
live instance!)

Now that you know this, start srfsh (as the opensrf user) and follow the 
instructions here: 
http://evergreen-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=server:1.6.1:install#testing_connections_to_evergreen
 .  Does this work as shown in the example?  If not, follow the troubleshooting 
steps here: 
http://evergreen-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=troubleshooting:checking_for_errors
 .

> 
> I have tried to login staff client with admin user and admin as 
> password and all the users but it does not connect at all and gives 
> error { Network or server failure. Please check your Internet 
> connection to undefined and choose Retry Network. If you need to enter 
> Offline Mode, choose Ignore Errors in this and subsequent dialogs. If 
> you believe this error is due to a bug in Evergreen and not network 
> problems, please contact your help desk or friendly Evergreen 
> administrators, and give them this information:
> method=open-ils.auth.authenticate.init
> params=["admin"]
> THROWN:
> Network Failure: status = 
> service=open-ils.auth&method=open-ils.auth.authenticate.init¶m=%22
> admin%22
> STATUS:
> 
> }
> 
> And what is this error

The staff client will not work if the underlying OpenSRF system isn't working.  
A "Network or server failure" message just means that the staff client was not 
able to receive an expected message back from the server.  You need to perform 
the troubleshooting steps I link to above before trying to log in again.

Hope that helps!

--
Chris Sharp
PINES Program Manager
Georgia Public Library Service
1800 Century Place, Suite 150
Atlanta, Georgia 30345
(404) 235-7147
csh...@georgialibraries.org
http://pines.georgialibraries.org/

Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Help required in configuration

[Sharp, Chris]

Hello again,

> What I meant to ask was if my credentials are
> Host name given for Ubuntu is : evergreen
> url: evergreen.umt.edu.pk
> 
> What should I give against credentials in evergreen
> And what would be given againt private.localhost and public.localhost
> and localhost in evergreen will they be given as it is in the
> configuration files or they need to be changed in the configuration
> files as they are said to be examples.

If you have followed the installation instructions exactly, especially step 8 
on this page: http://evergreen-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=opensrf:1.6:install 
, then you don't have to worry about credentials for the private/public domains.

> >>Are you able to login via srfsh?
> Yes srfsh logins fine and the test runs fine & I am using -l switch to
> start that is
> osrf_ctl.sh -l -a start_all
> 
> What is the default password for admin user

username: admin
password: open-ils

(Be sure this is the first thing you change if you begin using your system in a 
live instance!)

Now that you know this, start srfsh (as the opensrf user) and follow the 
instructions here: 
http://evergreen-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=server:1.6.1:install#testing_connections_to_evergreen
 .  Does this work as shown in the example?  If not, follow the troubleshooting 
steps here: 
http://evergreen-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=troubleshooting:checking_for_errors
 .

> 
> I have tried to login staff client with admin user and admin as
> password and all the users but it does not connect at all and gives
> error
> {
> Network or server failure. Please check your Internet connection to
> undefined and choose Retry Network. If you need to enter Offline Mode,
> choose Ignore Errors in this and subsequent dialogs. If you believe
> this error is due to a bug in Evergreen and not network problems,
> please contact your help desk or friendly Evergreen administrators,
> and give them this information:
> method=open-ils.auth.authenticate.init
> params=["admin"]
> THROWN:
> Network Failure: status = 
> service=open-ils.auth&method=open-ils.auth.authenticate.init¶m=%22admin%22
> STATUS:
> 
> }
> 
> And what is this error

The staff client will not work if the underlying OpenSRF system isn't working.  
A "Network or server failure" message just means that the staff client was not 
able to receive an expected message back from the server.  You need to perform 
the troubleshooting steps I link to above before trying to log in again.

Hope that helps!

-- 
Chris Sharp
PINES Program Manager
Georgia Public Library Service
1800 Century Place, Suite 150
Atlanta, Georgia 30345
(404) 235-7147
csh...@georgialibraries.org
http://pines.georgialibraries.org/

Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Help required in configuration

[Muhammad Faiz Chishti]

Hi there 

What I meant to ask was if my credentials are
Host name given for Ubuntu is :   evergreen
url: evergreen.umt.edu.pk

What should I give against credentials in evergreen 
And what would be given againt private.localhost and public.localhost and 
localhost in evergreen  will they be given as it is in the configuration files 
or they need to be changed in the configuration files as they are said to be 
examples.

>>Are you able to login via srfsh?
Yes srfsh logins fine and the test runs fine & I am using -l switch to start 
that is 
osrf_ctl.sh -l -a start_all

What is the default password for admin user

I have tried to login staff client with admin user and admin as password and 
all the users but it does not connect at all and gives error 
{
Network or server failure.  Please check your Internet connection to undefined 
and choose Retry Network.  If you need to enter Offline Mode, choose Ignore 
Errors in this and subsequent dialogs.  If you believe this error is due to a 
bug in Evergreen and not network problems, please contact your help desk or 
friendly Evergreen administrators, and give them this information:
method=open-ils.auth.authenticate.init
params=["admin"]
THROWN:
Network Failure: status = 
service=open-ils.auth&method=open-ils.auth.authenticate.init¶m=%22admin%22
STATUS:

}

And what is this error

-Original Message-
From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org 
[mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Sharp, 
Chris
Sent: Friday, February 04, 2011 4:40 PM
To: Evergreen Discussion Group
Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Help required in configuration

Hi there,

 
> 1. What credentials are to be given in my case according to my 
> requirement both on Ubuntu server and Evergreen
> 
> a. hostname
> 
> b. localhost
> 
> c. private.localhost
> 
> d. public.localhost

If you followed the instructions in step 8 for OpenSRF installation ( 
http://evergreen-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=opensrf:1.6:install ), you should 
not need additional credentials.  

Are you able to login via srfsh?  (see 
http://evergreen-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=server:1.6.1:install#testing_connections_to_evergreen
 ).

Have you run autogen.sh? (see #3 under "Starting Evergreen": 
http://evergreen-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=server:1.6.1:install#starting_evergreen
 )
 
> 2. What are the exact entries to be given in .etc/hosts

Given what you've provided, it should probably look like this:

127.0.0.1   localhost
127.0.1.1   evergreen.umt.edu.pkevergreen
127.0.1.2   public.localhostpublic
127.0.1.3   private.localhost   private

# The following lines are desirable for IPv6 capable hosts
::1 localhost ip6-localhost ip6-loopback
fe00::0 ip6-localnet
ff00::0 ip6-mcastprefix
ff02::1 ip6-allnodes
ff02::2 ip6-allrouters

> 3. How do we create uses for Evergreen staff clients

Initially, "admin" is the only user who can log in.  Once you have logged in as 
admin, you can create new users by going to Circulation -> Register Patron (or 
Shift-F1) and giving them a staff profile - all staff can log into the staff 
client.

Hope this helps!  You can also get real-time help in the #evergreen chat 
channel on freenode ( http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=evergreen ).

--
Chris Sharp
PINES Program Manager
Georgia Public Library Service
1800 Century Place, Suite 150
Atlanta, Georgia 30345
(404) 235-7147
csh...@georgialibraries.org
http://pines.georgialibraries.org/

Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Help required in configuration

[Jason Etheridge]

>> 3. How do we create uses for Evergreen staff clients
>
> Initially, "admin" is the only user who can log in.  Once you have logged in 
> as admin, you can create new users by going to Circulation -> Register Patron 
> (or Shift-F1) and giving them a staff profile - all staff can log into the 
> staff client.

You should also give staff a Working Location, which be done either
through Admin -> User Perm Editor (there's a Save button at the very
bottom of the UI), or in the patron display through Other -> User Perm
Editor.

-- 
Jason Etheridge
 | VP, Tactical Development
 | Equinox Software, Inc. / Your Library's Guide to Open Source
 | phone:  1-877-OPEN-ILS (673-6457)
 | email:  ja...@esilibrary.com
 | web:  http://www.esilibrary.com

Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Help required in configuration

[Sharp, Chris]

Hi there,

 
> 1. What credentials are to be given in my case according to my
> requirement both on Ubuntu server and Evergreen
> 
> a. hostname
> 
> b. localhost
> 
> c. private.localhost
> 
> d. public.localhost

If you followed the instructions in step 8 for OpenSRF installation ( 
http://evergreen-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=opensrf:1.6:install ), you should 
not need additional credentials.  

Are you able to login via srfsh?  (see 
http://evergreen-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=server:1.6.1:install#testing_connections_to_evergreen
 ).

Have you run autogen.sh? (see #3 under "Starting Evergreen": 
http://evergreen-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=server:1.6.1:install#starting_evergreen
 )
 
> 2. What are the exact entries to be given in .etc/hosts

Given what you've provided, it should probably look like this:

127.0.0.1   localhost
127.0.1.1   evergreen.umt.edu.pkevergreen
127.0.1.2   public.localhostpublic
127.0.1.3   private.localhost   private

# The following lines are desirable for IPv6 capable hosts
::1 localhost ip6-localhost ip6-loopback
fe00::0 ip6-localnet
ff00::0 ip6-mcastprefix
ff02::1 ip6-allnodes
ff02::2 ip6-allrouters

> 3. How do we create uses for Evergreen staff clients

Initially, "admin" is the only user who can log in.  Once you have logged in as 
admin, you can create new users by going to Circulation -> Register Patron (or 
Shift-F1) and giving them a staff profile - all staff can log into the staff 
client.

Hope this helps!  You can also get real-time help in the #evergreen chat 
channel on freenode ( http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=evergreen ).

-- 
Chris Sharp
PINES Program Manager
Georgia Public Library Service
1800 Century Place, Suite 150
Atlanta, Georgia 30345
(404) 235-7147
csh...@georgialibraries.org
http://pines.georgialibraries.org/

Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Help with Error

[Mereeotlhe Sabata]

Hi Dan

I typed the whole url in the browser in windows as per the one on the
server and it went in, it prompted for a username and password and also
asked for password change, after changing I retried the client and it
went in this time around

-Original Message-
From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org
[mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of
Mereeotlhe Sabata
Sent: 01 December 2010 10:18 AM
To: Evergreen Discussion Group
Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Help with Error

Hey DBS how are you small world indeed, I though I should try other
support options because it seemed everyone is only around when it is my
time to leave, regardless thank you again for responding

To get back at what you were asking in you email below, No. 2 is correct
I restarted the machine without stopping the services first, no I know I
must first switch off the services before stopping and also no
configuration during installation

So how it went after following your suggestions below, it went good, 

1. I stopped the services and they told me they not running
2. I checked the SettingClient.pm file and the fixes were still inplace
3. I started the services using the command you gave me to use and
everything started nicely no issues
4. I went on to the autogen -u command and surprisingly it started with
no issues
5. I compressed the log files (see attached)
6. I ran the srfsh command and did the login command and did a math add
2 2 thing and it worked like a bomb
7. I exit the srfsh prompt
8. Opened my evergreen client on my windows xp host
9. typed my server name and clicked re-test and said status & version
200: OK
10. typed the default admin username and open-ils password and popped up
the below error

--start--
Network or server failure.  Please check your Internet connection to
undefined and choose Retry Network.  If you need to enter Offline Mode,
choose Ignore Errors in this and subsequent dialogs.  If you believe
this error is due to a bug in Evergreen and not network problems, please
contact your help desk or friendly Evergreen administrators, and give
them this information:
method=open-ils.auth.authenticate.init
params=["admin"]
THROWN:
Network Failure: status = 404
service=open-ils.auth&method=open-ils.auth.authenticate.init¶m=%22ad
min%22
STATUS:
404
--end--

The other strange thing I just noticed is when typing my url to the
online catalog it only shows me folders, the page I used to see is not
there, see attached

Another thing you said my log file looks a bit dodgy for a startup
script, I must confess yesterday when trying to start the services they
told me they are already running so I moved on to the next command

Regards,
Sabata

-Original Message-
From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org
[mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of
Dan Scott
Sent: 01 December 2010 05:08 AM
To: Evergreen Discussion Group
Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Help with Error

Hi Mereeothlhe:

On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 09:38:14AM +0200, Mereeotlhe Sabata wrote:
> I am new to this group and evergreen and not quite sure how it works,
I
> have been sending emails but no response, please if someone gets this
> email, please help
 
Message received. 

Your initial message might have been held up for a little while by the
mailing list; not sure about that.
  
> I have followed the server install instruction on the evergreen site
and
> also the opensrf page, I have received help from several people but no
> luck, but I made a change yesterday that allowed my error to go away,
my
> problem was I have trying to start the evergreen server but whenever I
> started the autogen -c file it stops whit a error when it reaches
> "Updating locales selection menu", the last guy hinted that the
language
> thing is not working at its best, so I deleted from the database the

Right... well actually what I said on IRC was that the system assumes
that
en-US is installed and available, so when you deleted en-US from the
database list of languages you exposed that fundamental assumption. My
suggestion in the future would be to start by getting the default system
working out of the box, and then slowly start to make configuration
changes one by one, rather than making configuration changes before
you've even started the system for the first time.

> en-GB option I had wanted to use and only left one language in the
> database and then it just started working. I went ahead and restarted

Going back to the IRC logs for that discussion
(http://evergreen-ils.org/irc_logs/evergreen/2010-11/%23evergreen.26-Fri
-2010.log)
there was one other thing that we did - I had you edit
/usr/local/share/perl/5.10.1/OpenSRF/Utils/SettingsClient.pm to change
lines 84 and 90 from "timeout => 10" to "timeout => 120" to address the
mysterious routing issue that some people seem to run int

Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Help with Error

[Mereeotlhe Sabata]

I also just noticed that when I run http://localhost on my guest server
it runs just fine and locates the home page

-Original Message-
From: Mereeotlhe Sabata 
Sent: 01 December 2010 10:18 AM
To: 'Evergreen Discussion Group'
Subject: RE: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Help with Error

Hey DBS how are you small world indeed, I though I should try other
support options because it seemed everyone is only around when it is my
time to leave, regardless thank you again for responding

To get back at what you were asking in you email below, No. 2 is correct
I restarted the machine without stopping the services first, no I know I
must first switch off the services before stopping and also no
configuration during installation

So how it went after following your suggestions below, it went good, 

1. I stopped the services and they told me they not running
2. I checked the SettingClient.pm file and the fixes were still inplace
3. I started the services using the command you gave me to use and
everything started nicely no issues
4. I went on to the autogen -u command and surprisingly it started with
no issues
5. I compressed the log files (see attached)
6. I ran the srfsh command and did the login command and did a math add
2 2 thing and it worked like a bomb
7. I exit the srfsh prompt
8. Opened my evergreen client on my windows xp host
9. typed my server name and clicked re-test and said status & version
200: OK
10. typed the default admin username and open-ils password and popped up
the below error

--start--
Network or server failure.  Please check your Internet connection to
undefined and choose Retry Network.  If you need to enter Offline Mode,
choose Ignore Errors in this and subsequent dialogs.  If you believe
this error is due to a bug in Evergreen and not network problems, please
contact your help desk or friendly Evergreen administrators, and give
them this information:
method=open-ils.auth.authenticate.init
params=["admin"]
THROWN:
Network Failure: status = 404
service=open-ils.auth&method=open-ils.auth.authenticate.init¶m=%22ad
min%22
STATUS:
404
--end--

The other strange thing I just noticed is when typing my url to the
online catalog it only shows me folders, the page I used to see is not
there, see attached

Another thing you said my log file looks a bit dodgy for a startup
script, I must confess yesterday when trying to start the services they
told me they are already running so I moved on to the next command

Regards,
Sabata

-Original Message-
From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org
[mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of
Dan Scott
Sent: 01 December 2010 05:08 AM
To: Evergreen Discussion Group
Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Help with Error

Hi Mereeothlhe:

On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 09:38:14AM +0200, Mereeotlhe Sabata wrote:
> I am new to this group and evergreen and not quite sure how it works,
I
> have been sending emails but no response, please if someone gets this
> email, please help
 
Message received. 

Your initial message might have been held up for a little while by the
mailing list; not sure about that.
  
> I have followed the server install instruction on the evergreen site
and
> also the opensrf page, I have received help from several people but no
> luck, but I made a change yesterday that allowed my error to go away,
my
> problem was I have trying to start the evergreen server but whenever I
> started the autogen -c file it stops whit a error when it reaches
> "Updating locales selection menu", the last guy hinted that the
language
> thing is not working at its best, so I deleted from the database the

Right... well actually what I said on IRC was that the system assumes
that
en-US is installed and available, so when you deleted en-US from the
database list of languages you exposed that fundamental assumption. My
suggestion in the future would be to start by getting the default system
working out of the box, and then slowly start to make configuration
changes one by one, rather than making configuration changes before
you've even started the system for the first time.

> en-GB option I had wanted to use and only left one language in the
> database and then it just started working. I went ahead and restarted

Going back to the IRC logs for that discussion
(http://evergreen-ils.org/irc_logs/evergreen/2010-11/%23evergreen.26-Fri
-2010.log)
there was one other thing that we did - I had you edit
/usr/local/share/perl/5.10.1/OpenSRF/Utils/SettingsClient.pm to change
lines 84 and 90 from "timeout => 10" to "timeout => 120" to address the
mysterious routing issue that some people seem to run into. Then I had
you restart the OpenSRF services and try "autogen.sh -u" one more time
(this time with luck).

> the server and now this morning I have a new error, please see
attached
> for the lastest error log and config files

Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Help with Error

[Dan Scott]

Hi Mereeothlhe:

On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 09:38:14AM +0200, Mereeotlhe Sabata wrote:
> I am new to this group and evergreen and not quite sure how it works, I
> have been sending emails but no response, please if someone gets this
> email, please help
 
Message received. 

Your initial message might have been held up for a little while by the
mailing list; not sure about that.
  
> I have followed the server install instruction on the evergreen site and
> also the opensrf page, I have received help from several people but no
> luck, but I made a change yesterday that allowed my error to go away, my
> problem was I have trying to start the evergreen server but whenever I
> started the autogen -c file it stops whit a error when it reaches
> "Updating locales selection menu", the last guy hinted that the language
> thing is not working at its best, so I deleted from the database the

Right... well actually what I said on IRC was that the system assumes that
en-US is installed and available, so when you deleted en-US from the
database list of languages you exposed that fundamental assumption. My
suggestion in the future would be to start by getting the default system
working out of the box, and then slowly start to make configuration
changes one by one, rather than making configuration changes before
you've even started the system for the first time.

> en-GB option I had wanted to use and only left one language in the
> database and then it just started working. I went ahead and restarted

Going back to the IRC logs for that discussion
(http://evergreen-ils.org/irc_logs/evergreen/2010-11/%23evergreen.26-Fri-2010.log)
there was one other thing that we did - I had you edit
/usr/local/share/perl/5.10.1/OpenSRF/Utils/SettingsClient.pm to change
lines 84 and 90 from "timeout => 10" to "timeout => 120" to address the
mysterious routing issue that some people seem to run into. Then I had
you restart the OpenSRF services and try "autogen.sh -u" one more time
(this time with luck).

> the server and now this morning I have a new error, please see attached
> for the lastest error log and config files attached

Did you by any chance:

1) Reinstall OpenSRF and wipe out the changes to SettingsClient.pm or
2) Shut down the server without first stopping the OpenSRF services?

If 1, then you need to restore the longer timeout sessions to
SettingsClient.pm and restart the OpenSRF services.

If 2, then you need to remove the PID files that OpenSRF uses to track
its processes and then start it up again. Use the "ps" command to ensure
that no OpenSRF processes are running, then "rm -f
/openils/var/run/*pid" to clean out the PID files, then start the OpenSRF
services again.

Also, is that your complete osrfsys.log? It seems like it's missing a
lot of content that I would expect from a normal startup process.

Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] help with error msg

[Gordana Vitez]

Thank you! I did as you suggested and removed the contents of the folder. 
Evergreen is running again.
 
I'm just going to live with the receipt printer problems... :-)
 
Thanks!
Gordana

>>> Thomas Berezansky  11/18/10 3:27 pm >>>
You probably should have started the profile manager and deleted it  
from there.

You can remove the rest of the contents of the folder that was in to  
see if that helps, or start the profile manager (-P) to  
remove/recreate profiles.

Thomas Berezansky
Merrimack Valley Library Consortium


Quoting Gordana Vitez :

> Hi there,
>
> I have been having some problems with a receipt printer and am in  
> the process of trying out a suggestion from the list...and now  
> another problem has cropped up for me. I deleted the  
> [randomstring].default profile in the open_ils_staff_client\profiles  
> folder in the hopes of resolving a problem with a receipt printer.  
> However, now when we try to open Evergreen, we get the following:
>
> open_ils_staff_client is already running but is not responding. To  
> open a new window, you must first close the existing  
> open_ils_staff_client process or restart.
>
> Well, it's not running and we've restarted...removed the program  
> altogether and reinstalled. And it still gives the error. I've done  
> a search but I can't seem to find an answer to this one.
>
> Any ideas/help/suggestions are very greatly appreciated!
>
> Thanks!
> Gordana
>
> Gordana Vitez
> Niagara College Libraries
> Welland Campus
> 300 Woodlawn Rd
> Welland Ontario
> L3C 7L3
> Phone: (905) 735 2211 ext 7404
> Fax: (905) 736 6021
> gvi...@niagaracollege.ca 
>

Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] help with error msg

[Thomas Berezansky]

You probably should have started the profile manager and deleted it  
from there.


You can remove the rest of the contents of the folder that was in to  
see if that helps, or start the profile manager (-P) to  
remove/recreate profiles.


Thomas Berezansky
Merrimack Valley Library Consortium


Quoting Gordana Vitez :


Hi there,

I have been having some problems with a receipt printer and am in  
the process of trying out a suggestion from the list...and now  
another problem has cropped up for me. I deleted the  
[randomstring].default profile in the open_ils_staff_client\profiles  
folder in the hopes of resolving a problem with a receipt printer.  
However, now when we try to open Evergreen, we get the following:


open_ils_staff_client is already running but is not responding. To  
open a new window, you must first close the existing  
open_ils_staff_client process or restart.


Well, it's not running and we've restarted...removed the program  
altogether and reinstalled. And it still gives the error. I've done  
a search but I can't seem to find an answer to this one.


Any ideas/help/suggestions are very greatly appreciated!

Thanks!
Gordana

Gordana Vitez
Niagara College Libraries
Welland Campus
300 Woodlawn Rd
Welland Ontario
L3C 7L3
Phone: (905) 735 2211 ext 7404
Fax: (905) 736 6021
gvi...@niagaracollege.ca

Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Help Required

[Anoop Atre]

Joel please check the README.txt file that comes with the download. You
might also want to check Changelog.txt for another login.

Harbottle, Joel R wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I have downloaded the "Server, VMware image, 1.2.1.4 on Ubuntu 7.10 
> (contributed by: the Hekman Library, Calvin College). I have got it the 
> virtual machine running fine, but the only problem is when I put up the 
> virtual machine when Ubuntu displays it user login screen, I can't login 
> because I don't know what the username and password is, because it isn't 
> mentioned on the website.
> 
> Could someone please provide me with this please.

RE: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Help with Security

[Stuart Miller]

Thank you. I think (?) I understand what the drop-down list of "location 
"types" labeled "Depth" does. We did our original location setup just so we 
could create items. I'm going to have to figure out what that means for 
security.

In order to use the User Permission Editor, you have to have a barcode to find 
the user so the admin login I have is not "registered". I assume there is a 
table where I could find it and all the others. But I assume that the admin 
login must be "hard coded" since it is not like the others.

Now I know what is meant by the "Permission Editor in the bootstrap 
interface"--thanks. The terminology was confusing.

Thank you again for your help. I'm sure we will be posting more questions in 
the future.

Stuart Miller


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Rylander
Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 4:13 PM
To: Evergreen Discussion Group
Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Help with Security

On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 4:01 PM, Stuart Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Our Library is attempting to evaluate Evergreen functionality for a large
> academic. I have been trying to figure out how security is set up and am
> running into some walls. Answers to any of the following would be
> helpful-any assistance/advice  would be greatly appreciated. I have a
> feeling that the administrative features/configuration options of Evergreen
> are not particularly intuitive and that getting some  basic training from a
> support vendor would be the easiest way to answer these questions. If anyone
> out there thinks that really is the best approach, we'd appreciate your
> frank advice. Thanks.
>

The setup instructions are detailed here* (particularly, the second
paragraph in the Overview section).  I'll answer the questions in-line
below.

* http://open-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=evergreen-admin:policies

>
>
> Stuart Miller
>
> Library Systems Analyst
>
> University of Chicago
>
>
>
>
>
> 1. I assume that the "user group" is a feature that allows for grouping of
> various individual permissions into one setting so that upon registration, a
> user (meaning either patrons or staff members) could be assigned to a group
> and nothing more would be needed. If in fact that is true, I cannot find
> what the documentation wiki identifies as the "Permission Editor in the
> bootstrap interface" which is where I assume I can see what permissions are
> attached to what groups-and where I could create new groups. Is this
> anywhere near correct? If so, where is the bootstrap interface to be found?
> I asked our programmer/installer about this and he had no idea what this
> meant.
>

When configuring Apache, there's a setup stanza for the /cgi-bin/
location.  The configuration bootstrapping scripts live there.  You're
correct that the Groups and Group Permissions section of that
interface allows you to configure the user (staff and patron) group
hierarchy, as well as the the permissions that those groups will have.

>
>
> 2. I found a list of permissions and what they mean in the documentation
> wiki and also found where these can be applied in the client. However, it is
> not exactly clear as to how these work in conjunction with the defined
> locations. I see a location list as we have defined them and then for each
> permission, there is a drop-down under the label "Depth" which contains only
> a few locations. It could well be that we do not understand the location
> structure, but from what I see, only the working location makes sense. I
> further assume that the working location enables the user to perform the
> designated functions for items AT that location from a workstation linked to
> that location--is that correct? And if if there is a link between a
> permission and a user that involves the location, what does the client
> workstation link/location have to do with anything?  Is it intended as an
> extra layer of security?
>

Those depths are not locations, but /types/ of locations.  Say you
have a hierarchy with a type hierarchy of
Consortium->University->Branch, and that you may want to give certain
staff members University-wide permissions for some things (that is,
permissions at all Branches that belong to the university at which
they work, even if they only nominally "work" from one Branch) --
that's how you'd do that.  Most permissions for regular, front-line
staff would be restricted to the Branch (or equivalent) depth, so that
a staff member would only have permissions when logging in from a
workstation registered at that one location where they work.

Additionally, if certain staff should have permissions at some but not
all branches, you can

Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Help with Security

[Mike Rylander]

On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 4:01 PM, Stuart Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Our Library is attempting to evaluate Evergreen functionality for a large
> academic. I have been trying to figure out how security is set up and am
> running into some walls. Answers to any of the following would be
> helpful—any assistance/advice  would be greatly appreciated. I have a
> feeling that the administrative features/configuration options of Evergreen
> are not particularly intuitive and that getting some  basic training from a
> support vendor would be the easiest way to answer these questions. If anyone
> out there thinks that really is the best approach, we'd appreciate your
> frank advice. Thanks.
>

The setup instructions are detailed here* (particularly, the second
paragraph in the Overview section).  I'll answer the questions in-line
below.

* http://open-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=evergreen-admin:policies

>
>
> Stuart Miller
>
> Library Systems Analyst
>
> University of Chicago
>
>
>
>
>
> 1. I assume that the "user group" is a feature that allows for grouping of
> various individual permissions into one setting so that upon registration, a
> user (meaning either patrons or staff members) could be assigned to a group
> and nothing more would be needed. If in fact that is true, I cannot find
> what the documentation wiki identifies as the "Permission Editor in the
> bootstrap interface" which is where I assume I can see what permissions are
> attached to what groups—and where I could create new groups. Is this
> anywhere near correct? If so, where is the bootstrap interface to be found?
> I asked our programmer/installer about this and he had no idea what this
> meant.
>

When configuring Apache, there's a setup stanza for the /cgi-bin/
location.  The configuration bootstrapping scripts live there.  You're
correct that the Groups and Group Permissions section of that
interface allows you to configure the user (staff and patron) group
hierarchy, as well as the the permissions that those groups will have.

>
>
> 2. I found a list of permissions and what they mean in the documentation
> wiki and also found where these can be applied in the client. However, it is
> not exactly clear as to how these work in conjunction with the defined
> locations. I see a location list as we have defined them and then for each
> permission, there is a drop-down under the label "Depth" which contains only
> a few locations. It could well be that we do not understand the location
> structure, but from what I see, only the working location makes sense. I
> further assume that the working location enables the user to perform the
> designated functions for items AT that location from a workstation linked to
> that location--is that correct? And if if there is a link between a
> permission and a user that involves the location, what does the client
> workstation link/location have to do with anything?  Is it intended as an
> extra layer of security?
>

Those depths are not locations, but /types/ of locations.  Say you
have a hierarchy with a type hierarchy of
Consortium->University->Branch, and that you may want to give certain
staff members University-wide permissions for some things (that is,
permissions at all Branches that belong to the university at which
they work, even if they only nominally "work" from one Branch) --
that's how you'd do that.  Most permissions for regular, front-line
staff would be restricted to the Branch (or equivalent) depth, so that
a staff member would only have permissions when logging in from a
workstation registered at that one location where they work.

Additionally, if certain staff should have permissions at some but not
all branches, you can add Work Org Units to the staff member through
the User Permission Editor interface, which would extend their
permissions from their one branch to all those selected.

>
>
> 3. For each permission, there is checkbox for "Applied". If the group to
> which the user is assigned actually contains permissions, then why am I not
> seeing the boxes checked since the user is already assigned to a group when
> s/he was registered? But maybe the user group enables OTHER actions? I did
> figure out that you had to use Circulation's Register Patron feature to
> establish a staff record in order to use the User Permission Editor.
>

The user permission editor is separate from the group permission
editor by design.  A user can be a member of a group that has a more
limited permission set than that one user should have, and their group
permissions can be overridden by user-specific ones.  This includes
permissions that the group already provides, but with a more
restrictive Depth (Branch when the user needs Consortium, say) or
without the grantable flag when the user needs it.

>
>
> 4. I assume "Grantable" means that the user so-granted can come in and
> assign the same permission to another user. Is that correct?
>

Exactly correct.  (With the restriction that they can only