to change them later again as
> soon as the new RM is released.
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> On 9/23/2013 7:28 PM, Ian McNicoll wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Sebastian,
>>
>> I think we agree that there is a important difference between
>> formatted text which can gracefully
Hi Bert,
This is perfectly legal ADL created with the Ocean AE - it allows for
a single value with a 'choice' of datatype. We use this pattern fairly
frequently.
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On 24 September 2013 07:15, Bert Verhees wrote:
> On 09/23/2013 07:28 PM, Ian McNicoll wrote:
>>
>> It
this is the most sensible workaround for now,
and we should concentrate on reviewing DV_TEXT and its cousins as
Thomas has suggested.
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>> Hi Sebastian,
>>
>> This is a
arameter formalism to it, there is no really need any more for a
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>>
>> Note that these considerations are actually orthogonal to whether
>> standards should be built by agreeing only on messages between systems, or
>> how systems are built (the topic of Grahame's blog post).
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sensus controlled,
> openEHR approach. This creates a chaotic, dangerous
> environment for healthcare data. There can easily be multiple
> archetypes with the same ID that have different
> structures and therefore different instance data. Each instance of
> data will not be able to deter
Many congratulations shinji and everyone else involved. Definitely
hope to see you there
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a
persistent composition to have a context attribute , currently disallowed.
Episodic care such as hospital admission does throw up the need for
persistent compositions to carry the context of the episode but persist
throughout that episode. eg a problem list for the current admission.
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> This is loading properly with my version of the openEHR Archetype editor
> 2.2.779 and the current Workbench. I am not getting errors from the Partial
> Date constraint either.
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> Are you using the openEHR or Ocean version of the archetype editor
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gt; ERRORS:
>> 1) Error loading: ITEM_STRUCTURE = ADDRESS->ITEM_TREE (x2)
>> 2) Loads everything EXCEPT the archetype's definition
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which is required if multiple constraints of the same
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that our intention is to replace the current CKM medication archetype
with others based on the NEHTA medication archetypes.
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and then
changing it back again after using AE.
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iption (or hospital order) is
>> > to
>> > be more or less indefinite, with the patient just getting repeats then
>> > the
>> > ACTIVITY is always active or suspended, and never terminated. But even
>> > if it
>> > is terminated, e.g
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Sorry for cross-posting but I think this is of potential interest to
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Hi Sebastian,
Having a role to see branches would be fantastic.
Right now I'm not validating the translations, I'm just
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Hi Peter,
I'm using 2.2.779 (and all my students used the same). I don't receive an
exception on the GUI
T_EVENT, so in
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for that link, it came later as i was writing
> this message, i will have a close look at it)
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>> Hi Athanasios,
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>> Just to back up wha
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an address". This is what leads me to believe that ITEM_LIST is not
>> supposed to be a dynamic list but just something THAT IS TO BE
>> INTERPRETED AS A LIST but from a computational point of view is just a
>> list. I really do hope this makes sense. (I have gone through section 6
>> in "da
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> > On 02/05/2012 16:58, Diego Bosc? wrote:
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> > so you have to define two different archetype id even if the
> > archetypes are the same?
> > and again, slot text, description and codes are lost with this kind of
> > approach
> >
> >
> >
> > if the archetype
entities ('compiled' entities)
> not source entities. It's the same when you compile Java source code - the
> comments disappear in the output.
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aint more strict but inserts yet more parsing).
>>>>
>>>> Is there a single BNF description of ADL 1.5 available from somewhere?
>>>> *
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>>>
>>> yep, they are here
>>> <http://www.openehr.org/wiki/**pag
cal rules are historical, and will be obsoleted one day - I
> more or less had to construct them after 100s of archetypes that actually
> assume these rules had been built! You will see further down in the ADL 1.5
> text an indication of the future, but for today, we are stuck with the
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get a little broader input. Thomas is
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>> influenced by Eiffel, Grahame by XML. Most developers will probably sit
>>
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TRUCTION/Activity in ADL1.4 but we need a way to assert the relationship
in e.g a template so that this is clear to developers and clinical
reviewers, better still that these 'indicative' references are
automatically resolved at run-time with actual links where necessary.
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e logical and actual archetype now and break it into
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s of implementation and
training over several years I think now is good opportunity to take stock
and find some ways of further reducing buy-in without compromising on the
excellent work done to date.
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> On 27/03/2012 10:42, Ian McNicoll wrote:
>
d've played out differently if the tooling wasn't limited.
>
> One issue I have is that the event series imposes the same data at each
> point,
> which is not necessarily the case. And also, (back to protocol)
> repeating observations
> is protocol? (how they were each done)
problem with adding a single-event Observation as
> well. But having only that will completely cripple many hospital apps and
> efficient data representation and querying related to this data.
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ecognise that there is resistance to this complexity and
an intellectual burden for new entrants. I think we might be able to reduce
the resistance and intellectual burden without losing the value.
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On 27 March 2012 09:12, Ian McNicoll wrote:
> Hi Grahame,
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> I am struggling a
e the structuring data is "protocol",
> the details are very much "in the face" kind of stuff, and therefore this
> coupling of "paradigm" and "not in the face" breaks down.
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ns for
>>> example that an ACTION + link + OBSERVATION structure should be
>>> available for when the prescribed 'action' was in fact a new
>>> observation, such as 'check patient reaction to drug'.
>>>
>>> It would be nice to discuss thi
s considered as a
> derivation? Or the openEHR archetype is considered just as a reference
> material as could be any textbook or paper?
> - The author of the new archetype has to be the one of the openEHR
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like CKM, are the only
realistic way of getting a handle on this.
This has much in common with the PCAST idea of 'molecules' - see Wes
Rishel's excellent summary
http://blogs.gartner.com/wes_rishel/2011/02/13/pcast-documents-vs-atomic-data-elements/
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aching the
referenced asset locally
3. Establish subscriptions to remote assets, to enable change notification etc
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with CKI). The requirements for governed
cross-repository assets will be rather more demanding.
Have you seen this HL7/OMG proposal?
http://hssp-rlus-normative.wikispaces.com/home
Might be a useful start point.
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Thanks Pablo,
I will be interested to see how your app develops. We have a few
Python volunteers so hope to have something visibly quite soon.
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Hi Bert,
I can see instruction_details in the UML report - it is under
Attributes from Associations and does indeed contain the references
back to the original instruction/ Activity.
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Hi Marciio,
You should also look at
http://code.google.com/p/open-ehr-gen-framework/
The author Pablo Pazos is on this list and will no doubt have how own
suggestions.
Do not despair - openEHR confusion is a normal pre-requisite to
eventual enlightenment :-)
Ian
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Hi Pablo,
Open the archetype and press the share with colleague button (Envelope
icon) this gives you a few options.
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AE is in any case
the sensible approach. it might be interesting to see if someone could
develop a simple web-service that would take an uploaded archetype and
display the result in the Freemind browser.
Might be a good student project.
Ian
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guys may be able to give more detail.
The .opt file is just standard XML, it is not possible to read it in
the Template Designer. I am not sure if anyone else has developed an
.opt viewer. CKM has one based on the XSL Transform used by the
Template Designer.
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, with some joint sessions but otherwise a very clear
individual agenda and focus.
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maintained.
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M would be interesting.
I will be taking an interest in the developments but have very limited
Python skills.
Anyone interested?
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) directly.
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templating
formailsm putting together the work done in EHRFlex, Koray's GastrOS
directives and, of course, Pablo's work, bearing in mind that at least
some of the directives and transformations have utility in other
outputs e.g Documentation and not just in GUI production.
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and an AQL editing
tool.
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Apart from the size issue, readability is a particular problem because
of the verbosity of the current XML schema.
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Hi Tim,
Can you give some examples of good open-source tools in this area?
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econd generation of tools. I am certain web-services will play a big
part in repository integration and e.g validation/comparison services
but still not convinced that the kind of rich GUI we require is
deliverable quickly with HTML.
Thanks all. Interesting discussion :-)
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Hi Seref,
I accept that , but you can say exactly the same thing about browsers
and web connectivity generally. Until very recently the NHS in the UK
mandated IE6 - go figure. How long before we see snazzy new HTML5
browsers in these environments?
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osition an
archetype/template tool with the UI demands of an Eclipse/VS type
application, and as THomas says, no-one is using web apps for this
kind of scenario.
Pablo - is your web-based template tool visible anywhere? Perhaps you
could persuade me that I ma wrong :-)
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etype (to show that all
> requirements could fit without problems)
>
> 2011/9/9 Ian McNicoll :
>> Hi Diego,
>>
>> Yes. I saw David Moner's presentation on these at the MIE conference
>> in Oslo, and he and Gerard Freriks gave a very powerful account of the
loathe for us to get slowed-down by insisting on a
'web-based'.
What do others think?
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