Re: OT: Netbeans ported to JFX?

2014-07-11 Thread Chris Nahr
I asked Geertjan Wielenga about a possible JavaFX rewrite of NetBeans back in March, and he said that although they'll keep pulling in JavaFX features such as WebView on a case-by-case basis, a total rewrite is not going to happen. So the IDE is going to remain Swing-based. Link to the

Re: OT: Netbeans ported to JFX?

2014-07-11 Thread Robert Krüger
On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 4:53 PM, David Hill david.h...@oracle.com wrote: On 7/10/14, 10:40 AM, Jeff Martin wrote: That's not what Bill Gates or Steve Jobs said. To be fair - both of those guys are trying to build an ecosystem - not just an OS, but an OS and tools and products layered on top

Re: OT: Netbeans ported to JFX?

2014-07-11 Thread Tobias Bley
I absolutly agree. I don’t love Objective-C and Cocoa-APIs. But I have the feeling that „it must be a great technology/API“ if there are so many good applications like Apple Pages, iTunes, …. which all are using Cocoa. That’s missing with JavaFX. The last years it was funny to see cool demos.

RE: OT: Netbeans ported to JFX?

2014-07-11 Thread Doug Schaefer
the framework. Doug. From: openjfx-dev [openjfx-dev-boun...@openjdk.java.net] on behalf of Chris Nahr [chris.n...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 3:39 AM To: openjfx-dev@openjdk.java.net Subject: Re: OT: Netbeans ported to JFX? I asked Geertjan Wielenga about

Re: OT: Netbeans ported to JFX?

2014-07-11 Thread Mike
I would rather see an android and ios project cross platform that's compelling enough by oracle with a fancy scene builder based impressive GUI and datafx mongodb backend Sent from my iPhone On Jul 10, 2014, at 8:35 AM, Jeff Martin j...@reportmill.com wrote: I wish Oracle would try to

Re: OT: Netbeans ported to JFX?

2014-07-10 Thread Sven Reimers
If you you are looking for modular application frameworks based on NetBeans Platform... bitbucket.org/sreimers/eFX or mfx.java.net -Sven Am 09.07.2014 23:32 schrieb Danno Ferrin danno.fer...@oracle.com: On Jul 9, 2014, at 8:14 AM, Jeff Martin j...@reportmill.com wrote: We need something

Re: OT: Netbeans ported to JFX?

2014-07-10 Thread Robert Krüger
On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 4:14 PM, Jeff Martin j...@reportmill.com wrote: My thought is that JavaFX is perfect for an IDE targeted to education, like Greenfoot and BlueJ: SnapCode: SnapCode is the first and only pure JavaFX IDE YouTube Overview: SnapCode JavaFX Overview

Re: OT: Netbeans ported to JFX?

2014-07-10 Thread Tom Schindl
Hi, I've thrown Eclipse at it [1] - performance is ok but certainly not better than pure SWT but the reason for that is maybe my custom SWT port. What you see is not a rewrite of Eclipse code itself (which is 99% unmodified) but an alternate SWT implementation which has the big draw-back that

Re: OT: Netbeans ported to JFX?

2014-07-10 Thread Jeff Martin
I agree that Oracle should have an in-house apps team to create a few real world apps. Sun's lack of this helped marginalize Java Client and kept them tone-def to problems with desktop development and deployment. Apple does this well: Keynote, Pages, Numbers, Safari, Mail, iBooks, iMovie,

Re: OT: Netbeans ported to JFX?

2014-07-10 Thread Fabrizio Giudici
On Thu, 10 Jul 2014 16:23:43 +0200, Jeff Martin j...@reportmill.com wrote: I agree that Oracle should have an in-house apps team to create a few real world apps. Sun's lack of this helped marginalize Java Client and Corporates should only do what concerns their business and AFAIK Oracle's

RE: OT: Netbeans ported to JFX?

2014-07-10 Thread Doug Schaefer
...@bestsolution.at] Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 4:07 AM To: openjfx-dev@openjdk.java.net Subject: Re: OT: Netbeans ported to JFX? Hi, I've thrown Eclipse at it [1] - performance is ok but certainly not better than pure SWT but the reason for that is maybe my custom SWT port. What you see is not a rewrite

Re: OT: Netbeans ported to JFX?

2014-07-10 Thread Jeff Martin
That's not what Bill Gates or Steve Jobs said. jeff On Jul 10, 2014, at 9:32 AM, Fabrizio Giudici fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it wrote: On Thu, 10 Jul 2014 16:23:43 +0200, Jeff Martin j...@reportmill.com wrote: I agree that Oracle should have an in-house apps team to create a few real

RE: OT: Netbeans ported to JFX?

2014-07-10 Thread Doug Schaefer
To: Fabrizio Giudici Cc: openjfx-dev@openjdk.java.net Subject: Re: OT: Netbeans ported to JFX? That's not what Bill Gates or Steve Jobs said. jeff On Jul 10, 2014, at 9:32 AM, Fabrizio Giudici fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it wrote: On Thu, 10 Jul 2014 16:23:43 +0200, Jeff Martin j...@reportmill.com

Re: OT: Netbeans ported to JFX?

2014-07-10 Thread Fabrizio Giudici
On Thu, 10 Jul 2014 16:42:31 +0200, Doug Schaefer dschae...@qnx.com wrote: Fair enough, but neither of them built an IDE using Java that would benefit from JavaFX at the moment. In ant case Microsoft and Apple business is to also to produce applications - they have quite an experience in

Re: OT: Netbeans ported to JFX?

2014-07-10 Thread David Hill
On 7/10/14, 10:40 AM, Jeff Martin wrote: That's not what Bill Gates or Steve Jobs said. To be fair - both of those guys are trying to build an ecosystem - not just an OS, but an OS and tools and products layered on top of it. They want to create an environment that you want to come to and

Re: OT: Netbeans ported to JFX?

2014-07-10 Thread Moises Chicharro
Scene Builder is a *real world* (and very useful) JavaFX app produced by Oracle. It's also open source. Cheers, Mo On 10 Jul 2014, at 07:53, David Hill david.h...@oracle.com wrote: On 7/10/14, 10:40 AM, Jeff Martin wrote: That's not what Bill Gates or Steve Jobs said. To be fair - both of

Re: OT: Netbeans ported to JFX?

2014-07-10 Thread Jeff Martin
I wish Oracle would try to build an ecosystem around Java Client. If Sun had done this, they could be Android right now. There might have been a few dollars in that. There might still be. If Oracle isn't trying to build an ecosystem around Java Client, and it's just a hobby, I wish somebody

Re: OT: Netbeans ported to JFX?

2014-07-10 Thread Chris Newland
Apologies for the self-promotion but I've built a pretty complex open source project using JavaFX and found it to be a very usable technology. Light years ahead of Swing and more powerful than SWT; much easier layout (VBox/HBox), builder pattern, styling (CSS etc.) and deployment (part of JRE).

Re: OT: Netbeans ported to JFX?

2014-07-09 Thread Tobias Bley
very interesting question ;) Will there be a android and iOS version of Netbeans in the future ;)? Am 09.07.2014 um 11:40 schrieb Robert Krüger krue...@lesspain.de: Hi, it is a little off-topic but the people reading this list are most likely the ones who could answer this. Is a

Re: OT: Netbeans ported to JFX?

2014-07-09 Thread Michael Berry
It would be nice in a utopian sense - though I'd have to question if it would really be worth the resources required? Personally I'd be much more in favour of further development of JavaFX itself... Michael On 9 July 2014 10:52, Tobias Bley t...@ultramixer.com wrote: very interesting

Re: OT: Netbeans ported to JFX?

2014-07-09 Thread Jeff Martin
My thought is that JavaFX is perfect for an IDE targeted to education, like Greenfoot and BlueJ: SnapCode: SnapCode is the first and only pure JavaFX IDE YouTube Overview: SnapCode JavaFX Overview SnapCode has visual code editing (Snap-coding), a sprite kit, graphics/sound

Re: OT: Netbeans ported to JFX?

2014-07-09 Thread Danno Ferrin
On Jul 9, 2014, at 8:14 AM, Jeff Martin j...@reportmill.com wrote: We need something like a JavaFX Playground Something like this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2DJb58at10 Looks like Carl will also be presenting this at JavaOne this year. —Danno