Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: CD burning in Solaris

2007-04-27 Thread a b
I'd like to have their problem, because they have the $$$s to solve it. They do not have that money. They have virtual money becuase of the stock value. It is speculative at best what would happen if they tried to exchange all that virtual money for cold, hard cash. There is no site that

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: CD burning in Solaris

2007-04-27 Thread Brian Gupta
On 4/26/07, a b [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd like to have their problem, because they have the $$$s to solve it. They do not have that money. They have virtual money becuase of the stock value. It is speculative at best what would happen if they tried to exchange all that virtual money for

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: CD burning in Solaris

2007-04-27 Thread Christopher Mahan
--- a b [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd like to have their problem, because they have the $$$s to solve it. They do not have that money. They have virtual money becuase of the stock value. It is speculative at best what would happen if they tried to exchange all that virtual money for

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: CD burning in Solaris

2007-04-26 Thread a b
For Unix Admin: How will Solaris figure in this if Google Apps really takes off? Have you a guarantee? Google has an architectural problem. They have huge Linux farms. And Linux as we know it is nowhere near ready for the enterprise. It does not have the kind of architecture that would

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: CD burning in Solaris

2007-04-26 Thread Alan DuBoff
On Thu, 26 Apr 2007, a b wrote: Google has an architectural problem. They have huge Linux farms. And Linux as we know it is nowhere near ready for the enterprise. It does not have the kind of architecture that would make it suitable for management in large numbers. Actually, it has no

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: CD burning in Solaris

2007-04-26 Thread Chung Hang Christopher Chan
In the same analogy, Google more likely than not has a countless army of people to run those server farms, where in a well thought out architecture, up to 30 people would suffice. Rubbish. Google uses images much like flash archives. They have the resources and know how to take it that

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: CD burning in Solaris

2007-04-25 Thread Chung Hang Christopher Chan
--- a b [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why relegate Solaris to a niche? Not relegating Solaris to a niche. I just see that the desktop's days are numbered, but the general consumer obviously isn't ready for a mindset shift. Hauling floppies around, anyone? Hmm, my desktop does not have a

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: CD burning in Solaris

2007-04-25 Thread Chung Hang Christopher Chan
--- a b [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh sure, all the resources invested in GNOME, KDE, will be replaced by XBOX-3600 running crap from M$. NOT! Here is something to consider: when PlayStation 3 came out, a Linux kit was also available, allowing one to turn a gaming console into a

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: CD burning in Solaris

2007-04-25 Thread UNIX admin
But if all you wanted to do is just get stuff out of your computer, then why are you here? Why Solaris? Somebody with that kind of mentality can be perfectly happy on Windows. If you don't care about how it all works, you don't need the most advanced operating system on the planet.

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: CD burning in Solaris

2007-04-25 Thread a b
I have immediate access to the hardware - if needed. ??? What do you like to tell us here? Do you like to tell me that I should buy a drive and give it to others? This sounds silly. I think that he's either trying to tell you that he'll test the software for you, perhaps even give you

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: CD burning in Solaris

2007-04-25 Thread a b
Dindling exponentially? Where are they all going? Perhaps systems are getting harder to use so professionals are lkess productive and we nee more ofthem? That's a good question. Those few that are left refuse to be employed permanently and usually work as consultants for large corporations

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: CD burning in Solaris

2007-04-25 Thread a b
Why relegate Solaris to a niche? Not relegating Solaris to a niche. I just see that the desktop's days are numbered, but the general consumer obviously isn't ready for a mindset shift. Hauling floppies around, anyone? When the shift does happen, and it already did start taking place,

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: CD burning in Solaris

2007-04-25 Thread a b
I'm sorry, at the moment Sun just doesn't have the software tools I need. (I work for a big corp. ) And what do you need? I have made a vow that when VMWare workstation comes out for Solaris, I will start running a Solaris desktop. (I have held of switching to a Linux desktop in the hopes

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: CD burning in Solaris

2007-04-25 Thread a b
Oh sure, all the resources invested in GNOME, KDE, will be replaced by XBOX-3600 running crap from M$. NOT! Here is something to consider: when PlayStation 3 came out, a Linux kit was also available, allowing one to turn a gaming console into a workstation and switch back and forth between

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: CD burning in Solaris

2007-04-25 Thread a b
Hahaha. So you want to tell me that people will use fancy 3D desktops over a X network connection? 3D Pinball over Remote Desktop is just about playable...over X? Not a chance. Like I wrote before... in the country where I'm at, people would rather use a game console than a PC to play games,

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: CD burning in Solaris

2007-04-25 Thread Stephen Lau
Chung Hang Christopher Chan wrote: Hands up those who will put their stuff on Google Apps. Nobody? Aw. I put a bunch of stuff on Google Apps because it's main point is collaboration/sharing. It makes it considerably easier to collaboratively edit a spreadsheet or document than anything

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: CD burning in Solaris

2007-04-25 Thread Joerg Schilling
a b [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you want VMware to run on Solaris, then you have to lobby VMware. Why should Sun have to come through with software written by some thrid party corporation, and a corporation which obviously does not see any value in porting their software to Solaris. It

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: CD burning in Solaris

2007-04-25 Thread Chung Hang Christopher Chan
--- a b [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hahaha. So you want to tell me that people will use fancy 3D desktops over a X network connection? 3D Pinball over Remote Desktop is just about playable...over X? Not a chance. Like I wrote before... in the country where I'm at, people would rather use

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: CD burning in Solaris

2007-04-25 Thread Chung Hang Christopher Chan
--- Stephen Lau [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chung Hang Christopher Chan wrote: Hands up those who will put their stuff on Google Apps. Nobody? Aw. I put a bunch of stuff on Google Apps because it's main point is collaboration/sharing. It makes it considerably easier to

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: CD burning in Solaris

2007-04-25 Thread Chung Hang Christopher Chan
The people with the talent to do the advanced stuff will do it anyway. We keep this charade up, there won't be any left. Everybody will be turned into consumers - plants. Apparently encouraging people NOT to use their brains so that they could concentrate on the abstract is nowdays

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: CD burning in Solaris

2007-04-24 Thread UNIX admin
brbr@all: Yes, I know that wrappers exist, and have used xcdroast previously. The last gcombust release was in 2003. Lets just say I like my GUIs pretty and intuitive. The graveman screenshots look promising. The point is there are no production quality ones, that could be included in SX by

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: CD burning in Solaris

2007-04-24 Thread UNIX admin
Ummm we have a couple of user groups here ... developers/power users ho want scriptablity and power, casual users and newbies who want ease of use. A developer/power user will go gaga over the power, flexibility, etailed output and scriptability that cdrecord and mkisofs provide. All

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: CD burning in Solaris

2007-04-24 Thread Manoj Joseph
Richard L. Hamilton wrote: Seriously, the next thing you know, you'll want a wizard or dancing paper clip or some such to step the newcomers through the choices that can't just be defaulted (like what kinds of systems do you want to be able to read this CD: Apple (Mac OS X), Solaris, Linux,

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: CD burning in Solaris

2007-04-24 Thread Anil Gulecha
On 4/24/07, UNIX admin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: brbr@all: Yes, I know that wrappers exist, and have used xcdroast previously. The last gcombust release was in 2003. Lets just say I like my GUIs pretty and intuitive. The graveman screenshots look promising. The point is there are no

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: CD burning in Solaris

2007-04-24 Thread Joerg Schilling
Anil Gulecha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not specifically asking for a Solaris port of linux Nero. I'm asking for a well designed GUI for burning CD/DVDs.. if Nero *were* to be ported, it would be a great choice. The problem is thsat many people ask for something to happen instead of helping

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: CD burning in Solaris

2007-04-24 Thread Calum Benson
On Tue, 2007-04-24 at 02:06 -0700, UNIX admin wrote: My point is, quite simply, if we dumb everything down, once we're gone, the knowledge and experience might very well be lost. Forever. As long as there's one person who still needs to make use of that knowledge and experience, it won't get

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: CD burning in Solaris

2007-04-24 Thread ken mays
Anil Gulecha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not specifically asking for a Solaris port of linux Nero. I'm asking for a well designed GUI for burning CD/DVDs.. if Nero *were* to be ported, it would be a great choice. The problem is thsat many people ask for something to happen instead of

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: CD burning in Solaris

2007-04-24 Thread Moinak Ghosh
UNIX admin wrote: [...] Moinak, I urge you to think carefully one more time about what you've written (an excellent reply BTW). The number of true IT experts and professionals is dwindling exponentially every day. Over here I've got bakers and train drivers and construction workers

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: CD burning in Solaris

2007-04-24 Thread Joerg Schilling
Brian Gupta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shouldn't DVD burning be included in this discussion? I need all formats of DVD + and - as well as single and double layer. Well, cdrecord supports this Jörg -- EMail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: CD burning in Solaris

2007-04-24 Thread Joerg Schilling
ken mays [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As stated before, it seems we need the hardware and specs available to the right software engineers that will provide the solution. 1. Sony has a workstation (130G, $1500 USD) and Blu-Ray drives (BWU-100A and BRU-100A (external)). The 25GB Blu-Ray disks

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: CD burning in Solaris

2007-04-24 Thread MC
IT maintenance is one thing. Scientific innovation is a different thing altogether. I can tell you this much: the software GUI is not the cause of a degeneration of computer science. There is nothing smart or noble about typing a word instead of clicking a button. If anything, GUIs make

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: CD burning in Solaris

2007-04-24 Thread ken mays
ken mays [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As stated before, it seems we need the hardware and specs available to the right software engineers that will provide the solution. 1. Sony has a workstation (130G, $1500 USD) and Blu-Ray drives (BWU-100A and BRU-100A (external)). The 25GB Blu-Ray disks

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: CD burning in Solaris

2007-04-24 Thread Joerg Schilling
ken mays [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was asking if you needed immediate access to a Blu-Ray drive and/or workstation for development purposes. I'd gladly donate some funds for hardware if you're willing to provide the solution. Do you have a Blu Ray drive in a machine and could give me a

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: CD burning in Solaris

2007-04-24 Thread ken mays
ken mays [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was asking if you needed immediate access to a Blu-Ray drive and/or workstation for development purposes. I'd gladly donate some funds for hardware if you're willing to provide the solution. Do you have a Blu Ray drive in a machine and could give me a

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: CD burning in Solaris

2007-04-24 Thread John Plocher
UNIX admin wrote: My point is, quite simply, if we dumb everything down, I'm glad we've managed to dumb things way down in the last 20 years: No longer do we need to wire up plugboards to program the mainframes. No longer do we need to toggle front panel switches to bootstrap a system. No

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: CD burning in Solaris

2007-04-24 Thread Joerg Schilling
ken mays [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you have a Blu Ray drive in a machine and could give me a login on that machine? --- 1. I'll get a machine set up. Let me know if you need Solaris 10 or SXCE (what build) and we can go from there. As Nevada

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: CD burning in Solaris

2007-04-24 Thread UNIX admin
PS: If the number of true IT experts and professionals is dwindling exponentially every day, you might say that the free market is letting it happen because it doesn't need them. That observation matters to Sun because they probably want to appeal to the new guard before the old guard

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: CD burning in Solaris

2007-04-24 Thread UNIX admin
P.S. - I can't believe some people are actually advocating making a tool harder to use just so people will be forced to learn the underlying technology. That completely defeats the purpose of technological progress!! If you're referring to me, you got it wrong. I don't believe cdrecord

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: CD burning in Solaris

2007-04-24 Thread Brian Gupta
But if all you wanted to do is just get stuff out of your computer, then why are you here? Why Solaris? Somebody with that kind of mentality can be perfectly happy on Windows. If you don't care about how it all works, you don't need the most advanced operating system on the planet. Windows

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: CD burning in Solaris

2007-04-24 Thread Peter Tribble
On 4/24/07, UNIX admin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The number of true IT experts and professionals is dwindling exponentially every day. Dindling exponentially? Where are they all going? Perhaps systems are getting harder to use so professionals are lkess productive and we nee more ofthem?

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: CD burning in Solaris

2007-04-24 Thread ken mays
Can anyone give a make and model of a Blue Ray drive? Admittedly, I don't know much about any of that new stuff. Joerg, I'll buy you one and send it your way so that you can work on it, if I can find one to buy. - If you are looking for Sony Blu-Ray drives: You

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: CD burning in Solaris

2007-04-24 Thread Chung Hang Christopher Chan
But if all you wanted to do is just get stuff out of your computer, then why are you here? Why Solaris? Somebody with that kind of mentality can be perfectly happy on Windows. If you don't care about how it all works, you don't need the most advanced operating system on the planet. Windows

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: CD burning in Solaris

2007-04-24 Thread Brian Gupta
with a vmware port) With Mac and Windows I can run Solaris in a VM. (which I do). I also use Cygwin. Cheers, Brian -Original Message- From: Chung Hang Christopher Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, Apr 24, 2007 10:52 pm Subject: Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: CD burning in Solaris

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: CD burning in Solaris

2007-04-23 Thread Richard L. Hamilton
Ummm we have a couple of user groups here ... developers/power users ho want scriptablity and power, casual users and newbies who want ease of use. A developer/power user will go gaga over the power, flexibility, etailed output and scriptability that cdrecord and mkisofs provide. All