Thomas Nau [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Back to Sun itself: in my opinion they dropped the desktop many years ago
during the dot-gone era. They forgot about their own roots and the
university kids at the time didn't learn Solaris but Linux and those are
the ones to drive decisions today.
On Thu, 2006-06-01 at 16:14 +1200, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote:
Look at Rhythmbox; compare Rhythmbox to Amarok - I can sync my iPod,
listen to music, create play lists etc. etc. all from the same
application.
FWIW, rhythmbox can do that too (in Dapper at least, patches heading
upstream soon
I'm not talking servers but desktop clients. This means that they most
likely for most of the time end up with big vendors such as Dell, IBM,
Fujitsu Siemens, HP and so on. If you look closer up till recenty ALL of
those business boxes came with the latest Intel chipset and CPU. 95% still
do
On Wed, 31 May 2006, Paul Gress wrote:
Artem Kachitchkine wrote:
Most of this paragraph was building up to a valid point, but the ending kind
of ruined it for me :) You talk about business needs, but suddenly all that
doesn't matter since Linux is hipper anyway. Is that what decision makers
Kaiwai Gardiner wrote:
Which brings up the other question - why on gods green earth did SUN go
with
GNOME? why not just buy out Trolltech, release Qt under CDDL?
C++
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Darren J Moffat
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Alan DuBoff wrote On 05/31/06 22:28,:
On Wednesday 31 May 2006 08:50 pm, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote:
So, what is it? is Solaris a desktop or a server operating system? come on,
admit it, you're just burning to say, Matty, its a server OS!
No, most folks at this point are just burning to ask,
On May 31, 2006, at 7:13 PM, Artem Kachitchkine wrote:
...Even if they could I doubt such customers would go for it as
Linux is just more hip and decision makers for sure don't get
grilled for picking it. Maybe those people would even consider
OpenSolaris not ready for business.
Most
Kaiwai Gardiner wrote:
Which brings up the other question - why on gods green earth did SUN go
with GNOME?
http://www.sun.com/software/star/gnome/faq/generalfaq.xml#q23 has some
of the answers - it's missing a few reasons, like C++ is a nightmare to
use for system libraries since we'd have to
On Thursday 01 June 2006 06:44 am, Bonnie Corwin wrote:
OpenSolaris is far more than ON at this point - have you checked out the
downloads page recently?
NWS, JDS, X, packaging software from Install, pieces of DevPro, pieces
of G11N, 4 manuals from Pubs.
How does Sun package this up then? I
On Thursday 01 June 2006 06:48 am, John Martinez wrote:
On May 31, 2006, at 7:13 PM, Artem Kachitchkine wrote:
...Even if they could I doubt such customers would go for it as
Linux is just more hip and decision makers for sure don't get
grilled for picking it. Maybe those people would even
On Thursday 01 June 2006 10:46 am, James Carlson wrote:
I'm confused. I thought integration (beyond the usual design and
archtectural considerations in each project) was a job for particular
distributions, not something that Open Solaris itself provides.
You'll find all those non-ON things
Alan DuBoff writes:
You'll find all those non-ON things Bonnie mentioned on the web site
today. What more did you want?
http://www.opensolaris.org/os/downloads/
So, someone shows up to eat dinner. Instead of a meal presented to them on a
plate, there's a bag of groceries to
Alan DuBoff wrote:
On Thursday 01 June 2006 06:44 am, Bonnie Corwin wrote:
OpenSolaris is far more than ON at this point - have you checked out the
downloads page recently?
NWS, JDS, X, packaging software from Install, pieces of DevPro, pieces
of G11N, 4 manuals from Pubs.
How does Sun
Alan DuBoff wrote:
So, someone shows up to eat dinner. Instead of a meal presented to them on a
plate, there's a bag of groceries to prepare.
How many of those folks do you think will come back and eat at this resturaunt
again?
If they want a restaurant meal, they go to a restaurant.
If
On Thursday 01 June 2006 11:20 am, James Carlson wrote:
I'd be disappointed, too, if I walked into a grocery store and
expected restaurant service. The checkout people would probably be
just as puzzled by my order. ;-}
If they wanted a restaurant instead of a grocery store, they should
On Thu, Jun 01, 2006 at 11:19:22AM -0700, Rich Teer wrote:
Agreed, although I have some concern about the marketing aspects. Keep on
marketing to the converted, but I think the biggest challenge for Sun's
marketroids is converting the uninitiated, i.e., creating more Sun/Solaris
brand
On Thu, 2006-06-01 at 14:51 -0700, Alan Coopersmith wrote:
Alan DuBoff wrote:
But how can you point out that JDS, X, or any other OSS is a part of
OpenSolaris? This makes no sense to me.
How can you claim they are not? That makes no sense to me.
They are available on opensolaris.org
http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/73711
12000 PCs running Solaris soince 1993 are now migrating to Linux.
It is a pitty to see that this important costomer got lost
because of wrong information from the Linux camp.
They wanted OpenSource kde and claimed that they need to move away from
If I'm reading the articles correctly, when they made the decision two
years ago the information was, unfortunately, valid.
Regards,
Glenn
Joerg Schilling wrote:
http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/73711
12000 PCs running Solaris soince 1993 are now migrating to Linux.
It is a
Glenn Weinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If I'm reading the articles correctly, when they made the decision two
years ago the information was, unfortunately, valid.
They did make the final decision last year.
The process did start in autumn 2000 when the Linux Verband Deutschland
did aproach
They did make the final decision last year.
The process did start in autumn 2000 when the Linux Verband
Deutschlanddid aproach the OFD Niedersachsen and did tell them
that Sun will shut down
Solaris x86 support. The final convincing work did start in autumn
2004.This is wy I did aproach
David J. Orman wrote:
They did make the final decision last year.
The process did start in autumn 2000 when the Linux Verband
Deutschland"did aproach the OFD Niedersachsen and did tell them
that Sun will shut down
Solaris x86 support. The final convincing work did start in autumn
On 5/31/06, Joerg Schilling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Glenn Weinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If I'm reading the articles correctly, when they made the decision two
years ago the information was, unfortunately, valid.
They did make the final decision last year.
The process did start in
We need to be fair here. Sun did defer Solaris for x86 in 2002. We
didn't really get it fully back on track until Solaris 10 in 2005.
So
even in
late 2004 all a customer had from us was statements of intent, not an
actual product.
Good point. I wasn't involved with Sun at all during
On Wednesday 31 May 2006 11:49 am, Glenn Weinberg wrote:
We need to be fair here. Sun did defer Solaris for x86 in 2002. We
didn't really get it fully back on track until Solaris 10 in 2005. So
even in
late 2004 all a customer had from us was statements of intent, not an
actual product.
I
Hi all
On Wed, 31 May 2006, Stefan Teleman wrote:
On 5/31/06, Joerg Schilling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Glenn Weinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If I'm reading the articles correctly, when they made the decision two
years ago the information was, unfortunately, valid.
They did make the
I'm not talking servers but desktop clients. This means that they most
likely for most of the time end up with big vendors such as Dell, IBM,
Fujitsu Siemens, HP and so on. If you look closer up till recenty ALL of
those business boxes came with the latest Intel chipset and CPU. 95%
still do
On 6/1/06, Stefan Teleman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 5/31/06, Joerg Schilling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Glenn Weinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If I'm reading the articles correctly, when they made the decision two years ago the information was, unfortunately, valid. They did make the final
On 6/1/06, Artem Kachitchkine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm not talking servers but desktop clients. This means that they most likely for most of the time end up with big vendors such as Dell, IBM, Fujitsu Siemens, HP and so on. If you look closer up till recenty ALL of
those business boxes came
Artem Kachitchkine wrote:
I'm not talking servers but desktop clients. This means that they
most likely for most of the time end up with big vendors such as
Dell, IBM, Fujitsu Siemens, HP and so on. If you look closer up till
recenty ALL of those business boxes came with the latest Intel
On Wednesday 31 May 2006 06:38 pm, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote:
One assumes that when Sun is solely backing GNOME, that there is no
'officiallly supported' KDE for Solaris - all very nice to have a
'community working on it' but companies like the warm fuzzy feeling knowing
that there are people they
On 6/1/06, Alan DuBoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wednesday 31 May 2006 06:38 pm, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: One assumes that when Sun is solely backing GNOME, that there is no 'officiallly supported' KDE for Solaris - all very nice to have a 'community working on it' but companies like the warm
On May 31, 2006, at 3:38 PM, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote:
One assumes that when Sun is solely backing GNOME, that there is no
'officiallly supported' KDE for Solaris - all very nice to have a
'community working on it' but companies like the warm fuzzy feeling
knowing that there are people they
On 6/1/06, David J. Orman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On May 31, 2006, at 3:38 PM, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: One assumes that when Sun is solely backing GNOME, that there is no 'officiallly supported' KDE for Solaris - all very nice to have a 'community working on it' but companies like the warm fuzzy
Trolltech
Hey, that's not a bad name ;)
-Artem.
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On May 31, 2006, at 5:50 PM, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote:
So, what is it? is Solaris a desktop or a server operating system?
come on, admit it, you're just burning to say, Matty, its a server
OS!
Don't make the mistake again of putting words in my mouth. Solaris is
both, and it is improving
On 6/1/06, Artem Kachitchkine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
TrolltechHey, that's not a bad name ;)Well, it wasn't started by me, my company would have been, Bitter and Twisted Technology Limited.Matty
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On 6/1/06, Kaiwai Gardiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 6/1/06, David J. Orman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On May 31, 2006, at 3:38 PM, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote:
One assumes that when Sun is solely backing GNOME, that there is no
'officiallly supported' KDE for Solaris - all very nice to have
On 6/1/06, David J. Orman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On May 31, 2006, at 5:50 PM, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: So, what is it? is Solaris a desktop or a server operating system? come on, admit it, you're just burning to say, Matty, its a server
OS!Don't make the mistake again of putting words in my
Kaiwai Gardiner wrote:
...
So, what is it? is Solaris a desktop or a server operating system? come
on, admit it, you're just burning to say, Matty, its a server OS!
I don't understand why you are under the impression that Sun can't have an
OS that runs just fine on a desktop and also runs
On Wednesday 31 May 2006 08:50 pm, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote:
So, what is it? is Solaris a desktop or a server operating system? come on,
admit it, you're just burning to say, Matty, its a server OS!
No, most folks at this point are just burning to ask, what the [EMAIL
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