[openstack-dev] [tc][election][ec2-api][winstackers][stable] status of teams without PTL candidates
Hello everyone, My name is Claudiu Belu, the current PTL for the Winstackers team. I apologize for missing such an important matter. It is a new project / team, I didn't expect to go through elections this cycle. I will be more careful in the future. As for the os-win, the project has been actively evolving and it is currently used in several projects: nova, cinder, ceilometer, networking-hyperv, compute-hyperv (os-brick, not yet due to the Feature Freeze), and we've solved some non-trivial, long lasting issues, and improved the overall performance greatly. The team is quite small, but there are new people joining in and attending the weekly Hyper-V meetings. There are still things that can be done and there is still room for improvement. Which is why I would like to propose myself for the Winstackers PTL for Newton. We will be attending the OpenStack summit and we have one worksession. Again, I apologize for the inconvenience. Best regards, Claudiu Belu From: Mike Perez [thin...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 5:33 AM To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [tc][election][ec2-api][winstackers][stable] status of teams without PTL candidates On 12:33 Mar 21, Doug Hellmann wrote: > > > On Mar 21, 2016, at 12:03 PM, Alexandre Levine > > wrote: > > > > Doug, > > > > Let me clarify a bit the situation. > > Before this February there wasn't such a project at all. EC2 API was > > a built-in part of nova so no dedicated PTL was required. The built-in part > > got removed and our project got promoted. We're a team of 3 developers > > which nevertheless are committed to this support for year and a half > > already. The reason I didn't nominate myself is solely because I'm new to > > the process and I thought that first cycle will actually start from Mitaka > > so I didn't have to bother. I hope it's forgivable and our ongoing support > > of the code to make sure it works with both OpenStack and Amazon will make > > up for it if a little. > > Yes, please don't take my original proposal as anything other than me > suggesting some "clean up" based on me not having all the info about the > status of EC2. If we need to clarify that all projects are expected to > participate in elections, that's something we can address. I'll look at > wording of the existing requirements in the next week or so. If the team has > a leader, you're all set and I'm happy to support keeping EC2 an official > team. Hope this cover things: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/295581 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/295609 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/295611 -- Mike Perez __ OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Unsubscribe: openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev __ OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Unsubscribe: openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] [tc][election][ec2-api][winstackers][stable] status of teams without PTL candidates
On 12:33 Mar 21, Doug Hellmann wrote: > > > On Mar 21, 2016, at 12:03 PM, Alexandre Levine > > wrote: > > > > Doug, > > > > Let me clarify a bit the situation. > > Before this February there wasn't such a project at all. EC2 API was > > a built-in part of nova so no dedicated PTL was required. The built-in part > > got removed and our project got promoted. We're a team of 3 developers > > which nevertheless are committed to this support for year and a half > > already. The reason I didn't nominate myself is solely because I'm new to > > the process and I thought that first cycle will actually start from Mitaka > > so I didn't have to bother. I hope it's forgivable and our ongoing support > > of the code to make sure it works with both OpenStack and Amazon will make > > up for it if a little. > > Yes, please don't take my original proposal as anything other than me > suggesting some "clean up" based on me not having all the info about the > status of EC2. If we need to clarify that all projects are expected to > participate in elections, that's something we can address. I'll look at > wording of the existing requirements in the next week or so. If the team has > a leader, you're all set and I'm happy to support keeping EC2 an official > team. Hope this cover things: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/295581 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/295609 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/295611 -- Mike Perez __ OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Unsubscribe: openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] [tc][election][ec2-api][winstackers][stable] status of teams without PTL candidates
On 03/21/2016 01:06 PM, Jeremy Stanley wrote: > On 2016-03-21 06:14:25 -0400 (-0400), Sean Dague wrote: > [...] >> I'm +1 on Tony for Stable Maint. Though I also think that we >> should rollback any misgivings about election officials running >> for PTL slots. Of our 40 races only 7 (?) were actual elections. >> Election officials are chosen well before nominations open up, so >> when a presumed status quo is not, I don't know why we'd want >> responsible members of the community sitting on the sidelines. > [...] > > This is where having two or more election officials, an open > nomination process and an impartial third-party polling system > already does a good job of protecting the community from malfeasance > on the part of an election official abusing their trust to sweep a > PTL seat. > > That said, while not an election official I did recuse myself from > generating the electorate rolls this time once it was clear I was in > a contested race for PTL. Election officials should similarly feel > free to find other volunteers to take over for them if they realize > they're about to be officiating over a poll in which they're one of > the candidates, though I don't know that we need to consider that a > hard requirement if suitable volunteers are unavailable to take > over. > Tony and I did discuss me taking over for him as election official so that he could run. We did agree that a change in the midst of an election was not ideal but I do feel strongly that anyone who is a valid candidate for a role should be allowed to run if that is their wish. I also feel that both running in an election whilst participating in the administration of the process is not a great idea. The decision was Tony's to make and in the end, he did not inform me that he wished for me to take over for him, which I respect. Thanks, Anita. __ OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Unsubscribe: openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] [tc][election][ec2-api][winstackers][stable] status of teams without PTL candidates
On 2016-03-21 06:14:25 -0400 (-0400), Sean Dague wrote: [...] > I'm +1 on Tony for Stable Maint. Though I also think that we > should rollback any misgivings about election officials running > for PTL slots. Of our 40 races only 7 (?) were actual elections. > Election officials are chosen well before nominations open up, so > when a presumed status quo is not, I don't know why we'd want > responsible members of the community sitting on the sidelines. [...] This is where having two or more election officials, an open nomination process and an impartial third-party polling system already does a good job of protecting the community from malfeasance on the part of an election official abusing their trust to sweep a PTL seat. That said, while not an election official I did recuse myself from generating the electorate rolls this time once it was clear I was in a contested race for PTL. Election officials should similarly feel free to find other volunteers to take over for them if they realize they're about to be officiating over a poll in which they're one of the candidates, though I don't know that we need to consider that a hard requirement if suitable volunteers are unavailable to take over. -- Jeremy Stanley __ OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Unsubscribe: openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] [tc][election][ec2-api][winstackers][stable] status of teams without PTL candidates
On 03/21/2016 12:33 PM, Doug Hellmann wrote: > >> On Mar 21, 2016, at 12:03 PM, Alexandre Levine >> wrote: >> >> Doug, >> >> Let me clarify a bit the situation. >> Before this February there wasn't such a project at all. EC2 API was a >> built-in part of nova so no dedicated PTL was required. The built-in part >> got removed and our project got promoted. We're a team of 3 developers which >> nevertheless are committed to this support for year and a half already. The >> reason I didn't nominate myself is solely because I'm new to the process and >> I thought that first cycle will actually start from Mitaka so I didn't have >> to bother. I hope it's forgivable and our ongoing support of the code to >> make sure it works with both OpenStack and Amazon will make up for it if a >> little. > > Yes, please don't take my original proposal as anything other than me > suggesting some "clean up" based on me not having all the info about the > status of EC2. If we need to clarify that all projects are expected to > participate in elections, that's something we can address. I'll look at > wording of the existing requirements in the next week or so. If the team has > a leader, you're all set and I'm happy to support keeping EC2 an official > team. > > Doug > >> >> Best regards, >> Alex Levine Yes, Alex as Doug said, his comment was about policy was not about your situation personally. In order to manage such a large and diverse group, folks need clear reliable policy they can trust. Policy needs to be examined and addressed in terms of applying to the needs of the whole group, not driven out of shape by corner cases as they appear. Policy is used as a set of standards (when it works well) to unite those that would apply said policy. This, I believe, was the motivation behind Doug's original statement about election policy and group expectations. Thank you, Anita. >> >> >>> On 3/21/16 3:09 PM, Doug Hellmann wrote: >>> On Mar 21, 2016, at 5:33 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote: Doug Hellmann wrote: > I won't be able to make the TC meeting this week because of travel, > so I wanted to lay out my thoughts on the three PTL-less projects > based on the outcome of the recent election (EC2-API, Winstackers, > and Stable Maintenance). > [...] First of all, I think we need to recognize that with more than 50 project teams, it's pretty likely there will always be people missing the nomination boat for one reason or another. Small and understaffed projects just make it even more likely, as the pool of candidates there is so small. I actually find it easier to excuse EC2API and Winstackers handful of contributors for missing it in Mitaka, than to excuse Magnum and its hundred of contributors for missing it in Liberty. >>> Forgiveness is fine, but our governance process is one of the few explicit >>> things we list as required of official teams, and I think we should >>> consider it a strong requirement for remaining actively listed no matter >>> the size or age of the team. >>> > The EC2-API project doesn't appear to be very actively worked on. > There is one very recent commit from an Oslo team member, another > couple from a few days before, and then the next one is almost a > month old. Given the lack of activity, if no team member has > volunteered to be PTL I think we should remove the project from the > official list for lack of interest. The EC2API project is a bit of a corner case: something we want to exist as an official project but which is critically understaffed. Missing the PTL nomination boat is more a sign of this understaffing than anything else. I suspect we still very much want this to exist, so I'm not convinced we should take this opportunity to remove the project. If anything, I hope this situation that may remind the various stakeholders depending on that functionality to be present and maintained that it doesn't exist in a vacuum. Open source software is not magic ponies giving you free-as-in-beer software. You need the people who depend on the feature to support (directly or indirectly) its maintenance. >>> No matter how much we need the project, failing to demonstrate that the >>> team is actually involved is a bad sign. It sounds like there was a recent >>> change in leadership that made it unclear of the need to formally declare a >>> candidacy, so maybe we just need to work on making that more clear. >>> > The Winstackers project is much more active in the repository, but > there doesn't seem to be much traffic on the mailing list. It's not > clear why no one signed up to be PTL, and I couldn't find a notice > that the current PTL is not running. I'm tempted to suggest removing > Winstackers from the official project list for lack of participation > in project governance, but perhaps a probation
Re: [openstack-dev] [tc][election][ec2-api][winstackers][stable] status of teams without PTL candidates
> On Mar 21, 2016, at 12:03 PM, Alexandre Levine > wrote: > > Doug, > > Let me clarify a bit the situation. > Before this February there wasn't such a project at all. EC2 API was a > built-in part of nova so no dedicated PTL was required. The built-in part got > removed and our project got promoted. We're a team of 3 developers which > nevertheless are committed to this support for year and a half already. The > reason I didn't nominate myself is solely because I'm new to the process and > I thought that first cycle will actually start from Mitaka so I didn't have > to bother. I hope it's forgivable and our ongoing support of the code to make > sure it works with both OpenStack and Amazon will make up for it if a little. Yes, please don't take my original proposal as anything other than me suggesting some "clean up" based on me not having all the info about the status of EC2. If we need to clarify that all projects are expected to participate in elections, that's something we can address. I'll look at wording of the existing requirements in the next week or so. If the team has a leader, you're all set and I'm happy to support keeping EC2 an official team. Doug > > Best regards, > Alex Levine > > >> On 3/21/16 3:09 PM, Doug Hellmann wrote: >> >>> On Mar 21, 2016, at 5:33 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote: >>> >>> Doug Hellmann wrote: I won't be able to make the TC meeting this week because of travel, so I wanted to lay out my thoughts on the three PTL-less projects based on the outcome of the recent election (EC2-API, Winstackers, and Stable Maintenance). [...] >>> First of all, I think we need to recognize that with more than 50 project >>> teams, it's pretty likely there will always be people missing the >>> nomination boat for one reason or another. Small and understaffed projects >>> just make it even more likely, as the pool of candidates there is so small. >>> I actually find it easier to excuse EC2API and Winstackers handful of >>> contributors for missing it in Mitaka, than to excuse Magnum and its >>> hundred of contributors for missing it in Liberty. >> Forgiveness is fine, but our governance process is one of the few explicit >> things we list as required of official teams, and I think we should consider >> it a strong requirement for remaining actively listed no matter the size or >> age of the team. >> The EC2-API project doesn't appear to be very actively worked on. There is one very recent commit from an Oslo team member, another couple from a few days before, and then the next one is almost a month old. Given the lack of activity, if no team member has volunteered to be PTL I think we should remove the project from the official list for lack of interest. >>> The EC2API project is a bit of a corner case: something we want to exist as >>> an official project but which is critically understaffed. Missing the PTL >>> nomination boat is more a sign of this understaffing than anything else. I >>> suspect we still very much want this to exist, so I'm not convinced we >>> should take this opportunity to remove the project. >>> >>> If anything, I hope this situation that may remind the various stakeholders >>> depending on that functionality to be present and maintained that it >>> doesn't exist in a vacuum. Open source software is not magic ponies giving >>> you free-as-in-beer software. You need the people who depend on the feature >>> to support (directly or indirectly) its maintenance. >> No matter how much we need the project, failing to demonstrate that the team >> is actually involved is a bad sign. It sounds like there was a recent change >> in leadership that made it unclear of the need to formally declare a >> candidacy, so maybe we just need to work on making that more clear. >> The Winstackers project is much more active in the repository, but there doesn't seem to be much traffic on the mailing list. It's not clear why no one signed up to be PTL, and I couldn't find a notice that the current PTL is not running. I'm tempted to suggest removing Winstackers from the official project list for lack of participation in project governance, but perhaps a probation period is in order since it's a relatively new team. Probation would depend on having the team find a PTL volunteer, of course. >>> I suspect this one is more of a classic "didn't pay attention" case. Since >>> I don't think we need Winstackers as an official project as much as we need >>> EC2API, we should definitely have a discussion about whether it's still >>> worth keeping as an official project or if it would be as good to just make >>> it an unofficial project. >>> The situation with the Stable Maintenance team is ironically shaky. The outgoing PTL has entered the Nova PTL election, though he has said he would take up the Stable team work again if he does not become Nov
Re: [openstack-dev] [tc][election][ec2-api][winstackers][stable] status of teams without PTL candidates
Doug, Let me clarify a bit the situation. Before this February there wasn't such a project at all. EC2 API was a built-in part of nova so no dedicated PTL was required. The built-in part got removed and our project got promoted. We're a team of 3 developers which nevertheless are committed to this support for year and a half already. The reason I didn't nominate myself is solely because I'm new to the process and I thought that first cycle will actually start from Mitaka so I didn't have to bother. I hope it's forgivable and our ongoing support of the code to make sure it works with both OpenStack and Amazon will make up for it if a little. Best regards, Alex Levine On 3/21/16 3:09 PM, Doug Hellmann wrote: On Mar 21, 2016, at 5:33 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote: Doug Hellmann wrote: I won't be able to make the TC meeting this week because of travel, so I wanted to lay out my thoughts on the three PTL-less projects based on the outcome of the recent election (EC2-API, Winstackers, and Stable Maintenance). [...] First of all, I think we need to recognize that with more than 50 project teams, it's pretty likely there will always be people missing the nomination boat for one reason or another. Small and understaffed projects just make it even more likely, as the pool of candidates there is so small. I actually find it easier to excuse EC2API and Winstackers handful of contributors for missing it in Mitaka, than to excuse Magnum and its hundred of contributors for missing it in Liberty. Forgiveness is fine, but our governance process is one of the few explicit things we list as required of official teams, and I think we should consider it a strong requirement for remaining actively listed no matter the size or age of the team. The EC2-API project doesn't appear to be very actively worked on. There is one very recent commit from an Oslo team member, another couple from a few days before, and then the next one is almost a month old. Given the lack of activity, if no team member has volunteered to be PTL I think we should remove the project from the official list for lack of interest. The EC2API project is a bit of a corner case: something we want to exist as an official project but which is critically understaffed. Missing the PTL nomination boat is more a sign of this understaffing than anything else. I suspect we still very much want this to exist, so I'm not convinced we should take this opportunity to remove the project. If anything, I hope this situation that may remind the various stakeholders depending on that functionality to be present and maintained that it doesn't exist in a vacuum. Open source software is not magic ponies giving you free-as-in-beer software. You need the people who depend on the feature to support (directly or indirectly) its maintenance. No matter how much we need the project, failing to demonstrate that the team is actually involved is a bad sign. It sounds like there was a recent change in leadership that made it unclear of the need to formally declare a candidacy, so maybe we just need to work on making that more clear. The Winstackers project is much more active in the repository, but there doesn't seem to be much traffic on the mailing list. It's not clear why no one signed up to be PTL, and I couldn't find a notice that the current PTL is not running. I'm tempted to suggest removing Winstackers from the official project list for lack of participation in project governance, but perhaps a probation period is in order since it's a relatively new team. Probation would depend on having the team find a PTL volunteer, of course. I suspect this one is more of a classic "didn't pay attention" case. Since I don't think we need Winstackers as an official project as much as we need EC2API, we should definitely have a discussion about whether it's still worth keeping as an official project or if it would be as good to just make it an unofficial project. The situation with the Stable Maintenance team is ironically shaky. The outgoing PTL has entered the Nova PTL election, though he has said he would take up the Stable team work again if he does not become Nova PTL. That election will not be over until 24 March, so I think we should wait before taking any action. If Matt becomes Nova PTL, and no other volunteer steps forward, I will take on the responsibilities, though I do want to keep the Stable team separate from the Release team. That said, I would very much prefer to have someone else be the Stable team PTL so I hope we can find a volunteer. The situation with stable maintenance is a bit of a corner case too. Matt would have stayed PTL for stable if he wasn't elected for Nova, and Tony, being an election official, couldn't really throw his name in the PTL election hat at the last minute. I think this is a case where the TC looking at the potential names and making their choice will be working as intended I agree with Sean that we s
Re: [openstack-dev] [tc][election][ec2-api][winstackers][stable] status of teams without PTL candidates
> On Mar 21, 2016, at 5:33 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote: > > Doug Hellmann wrote: >> I won't be able to make the TC meeting this week because of travel, >> so I wanted to lay out my thoughts on the three PTL-less projects >> based on the outcome of the recent election (EC2-API, Winstackers, >> and Stable Maintenance). >> [...] > > First of all, I think we need to recognize that with more than 50 project > teams, it's pretty likely there will always be people missing the nomination > boat for one reason or another. Small and understaffed projects just make it > even more likely, as the pool of candidates there is so small. I actually > find it easier to excuse EC2API and Winstackers handful of contributors for > missing it in Mitaka, than to excuse Magnum and its hundred of contributors > for missing it in Liberty. Forgiveness is fine, but our governance process is one of the few explicit things we list as required of official teams, and I think we should consider it a strong requirement for remaining actively listed no matter the size or age of the team. > >> The EC2-API project doesn't appear to be very actively worked on. >> There is one very recent commit from an Oslo team member, another >> couple from a few days before, and then the next one is almost a >> month old. Given the lack of activity, if no team member has >> volunteered to be PTL I think we should remove the project from the >> official list for lack of interest. > > The EC2API project is a bit of a corner case: something we want to exist as > an official project but which is critically understaffed. Missing the PTL > nomination boat is more a sign of this understaffing than anything else. I > suspect we still very much want this to exist, so I'm not convinced we should > take this opportunity to remove the project. > > If anything, I hope this situation that may remind the various stakeholders > depending on that functionality to be present and maintained that it doesn't > exist in a vacuum. Open source software is not magic ponies giving you > free-as-in-beer software. You need the people who depend on the feature to > support (directly or indirectly) its maintenance. No matter how much we need the project, failing to demonstrate that the team is actually involved is a bad sign. It sounds like there was a recent change in leadership that made it unclear of the need to formally declare a candidacy, so maybe we just need to work on making that more clear. > >> The Winstackers project is much more active in the repository, but >> there doesn't seem to be much traffic on the mailing list. It's not >> clear why no one signed up to be PTL, and I couldn't find a notice >> that the current PTL is not running. I'm tempted to suggest removing >> Winstackers from the official project list for lack of participation >> in project governance, but perhaps a probation period is in order >> since it's a relatively new team. Probation would depend on having >> the team find a PTL volunteer, of course. > > I suspect this one is more of a classic "didn't pay attention" case. Since I > don't think we need Winstackers as an official project as much as we need > EC2API, we should definitely have a discussion about whether it's still worth > keeping as an official project or if it would be as good to just make it an > unofficial project. > >> The situation with the Stable Maintenance team is ironically shaky. >> The outgoing PTL has entered the Nova PTL election, though he has >> said he would take up the Stable team work again if he does not >> become Nova PTL. That election will not be over until 24 March, so >> I think we should wait before taking any action. If Matt becomes >> Nova PTL, and no other volunteer steps forward, I will take on the >> responsibilities, though I do want to keep the Stable team separate >> from the Release team. That said, I would very much prefer to have >> someone else be the Stable team PTL so I hope we can find a volunteer. > > The situation with stable maintenance is a bit of a corner case too. Matt > would have stayed PTL for stable if he wasn't elected for Nova, and Tony, > being an election official, couldn't really throw his name in the PTL > election hat at the last minute. I think this is a case where the TC looking > at the potential names and making their choice will be working as intended I agree with Sean that we should clarify the situation with having election officials participate as PTL. Doug > > -- > Thierry Carrez (ttx) > > __ > OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) > Unsubscribe: openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev __ OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Unsubscribe: openstack-dev-r
Re: [openstack-dev] [tc][election][ec2-api][winstackers][stable] status of teams without PTL candidates
>> On Mar 20, 2016, at 9:50 PM, Tony Breeds wrote: >> >> On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 12:48:43PM -0400, Doug Hellmann wrote: >> I won't be able to make the TC meeting this week because of travel, >> so I wanted to lay out my thoughts on the three PTL-less projects >> based on the outcome of the recent election (EC2-API, Winstackers, >> and Stable Maintenance). >> >> The EC2-API project doesn't appear to be very actively worked on. >> There is one very recent commit from an Oslo team member, another >> couple from a few days before, and then the next one is almost a >> month old. Given the lack of activity, if no team member has >> volunteered to be PTL I think we should remove the project from the >> official list for lack of interest. > > I don't like disclosing private communications but in this case I feel it's > appropriate. > > The Current PTL contacted the Election officials after the nomination period > closed and was instructed to reach out to the TC and community. Ok, good. Assuming that happens, it shouldn't be a problem to keep the project official. As far as the features being removed from nova goes, the project wouldn't have been deleted, just delisted. > >> The Winstackers project is much more active in the repository, but >> there doesn't seem to be much traffic on the mailing list. It's not >> clear why no one signed up to be PTL, and I couldn't find a notice >> that the current PTL is not running. I'm tempted to suggest removing >> Winstackers from the official project list for lack of participation >> in project governance, but perhaps a probation period is in order >> since it's a relatively new team. Probation would depend on having >> the team find a PTL volunteer, of course. >> >> The situation with the Stable Maintenance team is ironically shaky. >> The outgoing PTL has entered the Nova PTL election, though he has >> said he would take up the Stable team work again if he does not >> become Nova PTL. That election will not be over until 24 March, so >> I think we should wait before taking any action. If Matt becomes >> Nova PTL, > > Given he's the only candidate I think it's reasonable to assume he'll become > the PTL in ~3 days :) Oh, I was sure I had seen more than one nomination go by. Sorry, Matt. :) > >> , and no other volunteer steps forward, I will take on the >> responsibilities, though I do want to keep the Stable team separate >> from the Release team. That said, I would very much prefer to have >> someone else be the Stable team PTL so I hope we can find a volunteer. > > So cards on the table, I'm interested in taking on the role. I didn't > nominate > because I thought that might be a little complex given I'm also acting as an > election official. I understand the sentiment. Thanks for volunteering now, you have my support. Doug > > Clearly[1] the TC can select a candidate, whomever that is I'm confident > Stable > Maintenance will continue to build momentum. > > Yours Tony. > > [1] > http://governance.openstack.org/resolutions/20141128-elections-process-for-leaderless-programs.html > __ > OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) > Unsubscribe: openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev __ OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Unsubscribe: openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] [tc][election][ec2-api][winstackers][stable] status of teams without PTL candidates
I'm in general agreement here. The EC2 team is new to the process side, and is a small team. +1 for moving forward with Alex here. I'm +1 on Tony for Stable Maint. Though I also think that we should rollback any misgivings about election officials running for PTL slots. Of our 40 races only 7 (?) were actual elections. Election officials are chosen well before nominations open up, so when a presumed status quo is not, I don't know why we'd want responsible members of the community sitting on the sidelines. Winstackers I can go either way. The output is a library that the hyperv driver in nova / cinder / neutron use. Whether or not it is officially OpenStack seems almost moot. It will be a dependency of those projects either way. On 03/21/2016 05:33 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote: > Doug Hellmann wrote: >> I won't be able to make the TC meeting this week because of travel, >> so I wanted to lay out my thoughts on the three PTL-less projects >> based on the outcome of the recent election (EC2-API, Winstackers, >> and Stable Maintenance). >> [...] > > First of all, I think we need to recognize that with more than 50 > project teams, it's pretty likely there will always be people missing > the nomination boat for one reason or another. Small and understaffed > projects just make it even more likely, as the pool of candidates there > is so small. I actually find it easier to excuse EC2API and Winstackers > handful of contributors for missing it in Mitaka, than to excuse Magnum > and its hundred of contributors for missing it in Liberty. > >> The EC2-API project doesn't appear to be very actively worked on. >> There is one very recent commit from an Oslo team member, another >> couple from a few days before, and then the next one is almost a >> month old. Given the lack of activity, if no team member has >> volunteered to be PTL I think we should remove the project from the >> official list for lack of interest. > > The EC2API project is a bit of a corner case: something we want to exist > as an official project but which is critically understaffed. Missing the > PTL nomination boat is more a sign of this understaffing than anything > else. I suspect we still very much want this to exist, so I'm not > convinced we should take this opportunity to remove the project. > > If anything, I hope this situation that may remind the various > stakeholders depending on that functionality to be present and > maintained that it doesn't exist in a vacuum. Open source software is > not magic ponies giving you free-as-in-beer software. You need the > people who depend on the feature to support (directly or indirectly) its > maintenance. > >> The Winstackers project is much more active in the repository, but >> there doesn't seem to be much traffic on the mailing list. It's not >> clear why no one signed up to be PTL, and I couldn't find a notice >> that the current PTL is not running. I'm tempted to suggest removing >> Winstackers from the official project list for lack of participation >> in project governance, but perhaps a probation period is in order >> since it's a relatively new team. Probation would depend on having >> the team find a PTL volunteer, of course. > > I suspect this one is more of a classic "didn't pay attention" case. > Since I don't think we need Winstackers as an official project as much > as we need EC2API, we should definitely have a discussion about whether > it's still worth keeping as an official project or if it would be as > good to just make it an unofficial project. > >> The situation with the Stable Maintenance team is ironically shaky. >> The outgoing PTL has entered the Nova PTL election, though he has >> said he would take up the Stable team work again if he does not >> become Nova PTL. That election will not be over until 24 March, so >> I think we should wait before taking any action. If Matt becomes >> Nova PTL, and no other volunteer steps forward, I will take on the >> responsibilities, though I do want to keep the Stable team separate >> from the Release team. That said, I would very much prefer to have >> someone else be the Stable team PTL so I hope we can find a volunteer. > > The situation with stable maintenance is a bit of a corner case too. > Matt would have stayed PTL for stable if he wasn't elected for Nova, and > Tony, being an election official, couldn't really throw his name in the > PTL election hat at the last minute. I think this is a case where the TC > looking at the potential names and making their choice will be working > as intended. > -- Sean Dague http://dague.net __ OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Unsubscribe: openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] [tc][election][ec2-api][winstackers][stable] status of teams without PTL candidates
Doug Hellmann wrote: I won't be able to make the TC meeting this week because of travel, so I wanted to lay out my thoughts on the three PTL-less projects based on the outcome of the recent election (EC2-API, Winstackers, and Stable Maintenance). [...] First of all, I think we need to recognize that with more than 50 project teams, it's pretty likely there will always be people missing the nomination boat for one reason or another. Small and understaffed projects just make it even more likely, as the pool of candidates there is so small. I actually find it easier to excuse EC2API and Winstackers handful of contributors for missing it in Mitaka, than to excuse Magnum and its hundred of contributors for missing it in Liberty. The EC2-API project doesn't appear to be very actively worked on. There is one very recent commit from an Oslo team member, another couple from a few days before, and then the next one is almost a month old. Given the lack of activity, if no team member has volunteered to be PTL I think we should remove the project from the official list for lack of interest. The EC2API project is a bit of a corner case: something we want to exist as an official project but which is critically understaffed. Missing the PTL nomination boat is more a sign of this understaffing than anything else. I suspect we still very much want this to exist, so I'm not convinced we should take this opportunity to remove the project. If anything, I hope this situation that may remind the various stakeholders depending on that functionality to be present and maintained that it doesn't exist in a vacuum. Open source software is not magic ponies giving you free-as-in-beer software. You need the people who depend on the feature to support (directly or indirectly) its maintenance. The Winstackers project is much more active in the repository, but there doesn't seem to be much traffic on the mailing list. It's not clear why no one signed up to be PTL, and I couldn't find a notice that the current PTL is not running. I'm tempted to suggest removing Winstackers from the official project list for lack of participation in project governance, but perhaps a probation period is in order since it's a relatively new team. Probation would depend on having the team find a PTL volunteer, of course. I suspect this one is more of a classic "didn't pay attention" case. Since I don't think we need Winstackers as an official project as much as we need EC2API, we should definitely have a discussion about whether it's still worth keeping as an official project or if it would be as good to just make it an unofficial project. The situation with the Stable Maintenance team is ironically shaky. The outgoing PTL has entered the Nova PTL election, though he has said he would take up the Stable team work again if he does not become Nova PTL. That election will not be over until 24 March, so I think we should wait before taking any action. If Matt becomes Nova PTL, and no other volunteer steps forward, I will take on the responsibilities, though I do want to keep the Stable team separate from the Release team. That said, I would very much prefer to have someone else be the Stable team PTL so I hope we can find a volunteer. The situation with stable maintenance is a bit of a corner case too. Matt would have stayed PTL for stable if he wasn't elected for Nova, and Tony, being an election official, couldn't really throw his name in the PTL election hat at the last minute. I think this is a case where the TC looking at the potential names and making their choice will be working as intended. -- Thierry Carrez (ttx) __ OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Unsubscribe: openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] [tc][election][ec2-api][winstackers][stable] status of teams without PTL candidates
Hi everybody, My name is Alex Levine and I'm the current PTL of EC2 project. Apparently I have to apologize for everybody because being in this role for just less than a month I didn't expect I have to go through elections for the newborn project so I haven't even looked at this side. When I'd found out I contacted Tony and Tristan and asked what can be done in the case and was told that I can either write here or attend the Tuesday's TC meeting. I decided for the second. But I see that I should make my intentions clear as well. I am proposing myself for the EC2 PTL and this project is not dormant, it's actively developed and supported. However, since 3 of our blueprints to nova were dropped this cycle (for the second time) and since Amazon doesn't seem to enhance its functionality way too fast, recent additions were scarce. Me and my team are intended to keep supporting the EC2 project in the future. We'll attend the summit and have two worksessions. Best regards, Alex Levine On 3/20/16 7:48 PM, Doug Hellmann wrote: I won't be able to make the TC meeting this week because of travel, so I wanted to lay out my thoughts on the three PTL-less projects based on the outcome of the recent election (EC2-API, Winstackers, and Stable Maintenance). The EC2-API project doesn't appear to be very actively worked on. There is one very recent commit from an Oslo team member, another couple from a few days before, and then the next one is almost a month old. Given the lack of activity, if no team member has volunteered to be PTL I think we should remove the project from the official list for lack of interest. The Winstackers project is much more active in the repository, but there doesn't seem to be much traffic on the mailing list. It's not clear why no one signed up to be PTL, and I couldn't find a notice that the current PTL is not running. I'm tempted to suggest removing Winstackers from the official project list for lack of participation in project governance, but perhaps a probation period is in order since it's a relatively new team. Probation would depend on having the team find a PTL volunteer, of course. The situation with the Stable Maintenance team is ironically shaky. The outgoing PTL has entered the Nova PTL election, though he has said he would take up the Stable team work again if he does not become Nova PTL. That election will not be over until 24 March, so I think we should wait before taking any action. If Matt becomes Nova PTL, and no other volunteer steps forward, I will take on the responsibilities, though I do want to keep the Stable team separate from the Release team. That said, I would very much prefer to have someone else be the Stable team PTL so I hope we can find a volunteer. Doug __ OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Unsubscribe: openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev __ OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Unsubscribe: openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] [tc][election][ec2-api][winstackers][stable] status of teams without PTL candidates
On 12:50 Mar 21, Tony Breeds wrote: > On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 12:48:43PM -0400, Doug Hellmann wrote: > > I won't be able to make the TC meeting this week because of travel, > > so I wanted to lay out my thoughts on the three PTL-less projects > > based on the outcome of the recent election (EC2-API, Winstackers, > > and Stable Maintenance). > > > > The EC2-API project doesn't appear to be very actively worked on. > > There is one very recent commit from an Oslo team member, another > > couple from a few days before, and then the next one is almost a > > month old. Given the lack of activity, if no team member has > > volunteered to be PTL I think we should remove the project from the > > official list for lack of interest. > > I don't like disclosing private communications but in this case I feel it's > appropriate. > > The Current PTL contacted the Election officials after the nomination period > closed and was instructed to reach out to the TC and community. > > > The Winstackers project is much more active in the repository, but > > there doesn't seem to be much traffic on the mailing list. It's not > > clear why no one signed up to be PTL, and I couldn't find a notice > > that the current PTL is not running. I'm tempted to suggest removing > > Winstackers from the official project list for lack of participation > > in project governance, but perhaps a probation period is in order > > since it's a relatively new team. Probation would depend on having > > the team find a PTL volunteer, of course. I think it's unfortunate that EC2-API and Winstackers are out of touch enough from the community to miss important dates like this. With things like the weekly dev mailing list digest that cover this [1], keeping up with the dev list is not a great excuse. Keeping in mind things were first announced March 7th [2], and this has been in the Mitaka release schedule [3] for so long. [1] - http://www.openstack.org/blog/2016/03/openstack-developer-mailing-list-digest-20160311/ [2] - http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-March/088558.html [3] - http://releases.openstack.org/mitaka/schedule.html -- Mike Perez __ OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Unsubscribe: openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] [tc][election][ec2-api][winstackers][stable] status of teams without PTL candidates
> Just clarifying: > For Nova: Yes. Matt's the only candidate I think that's a preety save > assumption. Sorry, I meant for Nova. I guess since the nomination period is over (right), I'm not sure how it's not more than an assumption...but okay :) --Dan __ OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Unsubscribe: openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] [tc][election][ec2-api][winstackers][stable] status of teams without PTL candidates
On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 04:14:02PM -0700, Dan Smith wrote: > > The EC2-API project doesn't appear to be very actively worked on. > > There is one very recent commit from an Oslo team member, another > > couple from a few days before, and then the next one is almost a > > month old. Given the lack of activity, if no team member has > > volunteered to be PTL I think we should remove the project from the > > official list for lack of interest. > > Nova just removed ec2 support from tree in Mitaka, dependent on this > project being a replacement for that functionality. It is troubling that > nobody stepped up to be PTL, but as recent as Tokyo there was active > participation from them in getting things settled in Nova so that the > project could be a suitable replacement. Aside from the practical > problem of not having a PTL, it seems like dropping EC2-API from the > official project list right as Mitaka requires people to use it sends a > bad (or at least unfortunate) message. > > Has anyone approached some of the principal folks involved to find out > what is up? > > > The situation with the Stable Maintenance team is ironically shaky. > > The outgoing PTL has entered the Nova PTL election, though he has > > said he would take up the Stable team work again if he does not > > become Nova PTL. That election will not be over until 24 March, so > > I think we should wait before taking any action. If Matt becomes > > Nova PTL, and no other volunteer steps forward, I will take on the > > responsibilities, though I do want to keep the Stable team separate > > from the Release team. That said, I would very much prefer to have > > someone else be the Stable team PTL so I hope we can find a volunteer. > > Correct me if I'm wrong, but Matt is PTL by default now right? Just clarifying: For Nova: Yes. Matt's the only candidate I think that's a preety save assumption. For Stable: No. It's up to the TC to select a new canidate[1] Yours Tony. [1] http://governance.openstack.org/resolutions/20141128-elections-process-for-leaderless-programs.html signature.asc Description: PGP signature __ OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Unsubscribe: openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] [tc][election][ec2-api][winstackers][stable] status of teams without PTL candidates
On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 12:48:43PM -0400, Doug Hellmann wrote: > I won't be able to make the TC meeting this week because of travel, > so I wanted to lay out my thoughts on the three PTL-less projects > based on the outcome of the recent election (EC2-API, Winstackers, > and Stable Maintenance). > > The EC2-API project doesn't appear to be very actively worked on. > There is one very recent commit from an Oslo team member, another > couple from a few days before, and then the next one is almost a > month old. Given the lack of activity, if no team member has > volunteered to be PTL I think we should remove the project from the > official list for lack of interest. I don't like disclosing private communications but in this case I feel it's appropriate. The Current PTL contacted the Election officials after the nomination period closed and was instructed to reach out to the TC and community. > The Winstackers project is much more active in the repository, but > there doesn't seem to be much traffic on the mailing list. It's not > clear why no one signed up to be PTL, and I couldn't find a notice > that the current PTL is not running. I'm tempted to suggest removing > Winstackers from the official project list for lack of participation > in project governance, but perhaps a probation period is in order > since it's a relatively new team. Probation would depend on having > the team find a PTL volunteer, of course. > > The situation with the Stable Maintenance team is ironically shaky. > The outgoing PTL has entered the Nova PTL election, though he has > said he would take up the Stable team work again if he does not > become Nova PTL. That election will not be over until 24 March, so > I think we should wait before taking any action. If Matt becomes > Nova PTL, Given he's the only candidate I think it's reasonable to assume he'll become the PTL in ~3 days :) > , and no other volunteer steps forward, I will take on the > responsibilities, though I do want to keep the Stable team separate > from the Release team. That said, I would very much prefer to have > someone else be the Stable team PTL so I hope we can find a volunteer. So cards on the table, I'm interested in taking on the role. I didn't nominate because I thought that might be a little complex given I'm also acting as an election official. Clearly[1] the TC can select a candidate, whomever that is I'm confident Stable Maintenance will continue to build momentum. Yours Tony. [1] http://governance.openstack.org/resolutions/20141128-elections-process-for-leaderless-programs.html signature.asc Description: PGP signature __ OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Unsubscribe: openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] [tc][election][ec2-api][winstackers][stable] status of teams without PTL candidates
> The EC2-API project doesn't appear to be very actively worked on. > There is one very recent commit from an Oslo team member, another > couple from a few days before, and then the next one is almost a > month old. Given the lack of activity, if no team member has > volunteered to be PTL I think we should remove the project from the > official list for lack of interest. Nova just removed ec2 support from tree in Mitaka, dependent on this project being a replacement for that functionality. It is troubling that nobody stepped up to be PTL, but as recent as Tokyo there was active participation from them in getting things settled in Nova so that the project could be a suitable replacement. Aside from the practical problem of not having a PTL, it seems like dropping EC2-API from the official project list right as Mitaka requires people to use it sends a bad (or at least unfortunate) message. Has anyone approached some of the principal folks involved to find out what is up? > The situation with the Stable Maintenance team is ironically shaky. > The outgoing PTL has entered the Nova PTL election, though he has > said he would take up the Stable team work again if he does not > become Nova PTL. That election will not be over until 24 March, so > I think we should wait before taking any action. If Matt becomes > Nova PTL, and no other volunteer steps forward, I will take on the > responsibilities, though I do want to keep the Stable team separate > from the Release team. That said, I would very much prefer to have > someone else be the Stable team PTL so I hope we can find a volunteer. Correct me if I'm wrong, but Matt is PTL by default now right? --Dan __ OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Unsubscribe: openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
[openstack-dev] [tc][election][ec2-api][winstackers][stable] status of teams without PTL candidates
I won't be able to make the TC meeting this week because of travel, so I wanted to lay out my thoughts on the three PTL-less projects based on the outcome of the recent election (EC2-API, Winstackers, and Stable Maintenance). The EC2-API project doesn't appear to be very actively worked on. There is one very recent commit from an Oslo team member, another couple from a few days before, and then the next one is almost a month old. Given the lack of activity, if no team member has volunteered to be PTL I think we should remove the project from the official list for lack of interest. The Winstackers project is much more active in the repository, but there doesn't seem to be much traffic on the mailing list. It's not clear why no one signed up to be PTL, and I couldn't find a notice that the current PTL is not running. I'm tempted to suggest removing Winstackers from the official project list for lack of participation in project governance, but perhaps a probation period is in order since it's a relatively new team. Probation would depend on having the team find a PTL volunteer, of course. The situation with the Stable Maintenance team is ironically shaky. The outgoing PTL has entered the Nova PTL election, though he has said he would take up the Stable team work again if he does not become Nova PTL. That election will not be over until 24 March, so I think we should wait before taking any action. If Matt becomes Nova PTL, and no other volunteer steps forward, I will take on the responsibilities, though I do want to keep the Stable team separate from the Release team. That said, I would very much prefer to have someone else be the Stable team PTL so I hope we can find a volunteer. Doug __ OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Unsubscribe: openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
