Re: [openstack-dev] [ironic] New mascot design

[Dmitry Tantsur]

On 04/22/2017 12:02 AM, Heidi Joy Tretheway wrote:

Hello Ironic team,
Thanks for your comments on the last round. Here is the latest Pixie Boots 
mascot (in every variation) ready for your downloading pleasure. We’ll also be 
updating these to a public repo and to openstack.org/project-mascots, but 
please be patient as our fab web team is slammed with Summit stuff.

Here’s a quick look at the mascot:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/qf8lent6ncpq0ip/OpenStack_Project_Ironic_vertical.jpg?dl=0

And here’s a dropbox with all 10 versions:
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/w14cufsymu9hxiw/AAA5eJTW42AC-C0qPkMi4i1ra?dl=0


This is awesome, thank you very much!



Long live Pixie Boots!


\o/




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Re: [openstack-dev] [ironic] New mascot design

[Loo, Ruby]

Thank you Heidi!

> Long live Pixie Boots!

May (s)he reign forever :D

--ruby

From: Heidi Joy Tretheway 
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Date: Friday, April 21, 2017 at 6:02 PM
To: "openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org" 
Subject: [openstack-dev] [ironic] New mascot design

Hello Ironic team,
Thanks for your comments on the last round. Here is the latest Pixie Boots 
mascot (in every variation) ready for your downloading pleasure. We’ll also be 
updating these to a public repo and to openstack.org/project-mascots, but 
please be patient as our fab web team is slammed with Summit stuff.

Here’s a quick look at the mascot:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/qf8lent6ncpq0ip/OpenStack_Project_Ironic_vertical.jpg?dl=0

And here’s a dropbox with all 10 versions:
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/w14cufsymu9hxiw/AAA5eJTW42AC-C0qPkMi4i1ra?dl=0

Long live Pixie Boots!


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Re: [openstack-dev] [ironic] New mascot design

[Mateusz Kowalski]

Hi all,

Any updates on it ?
We would like to start using the logo, but the only version is the one from the 
email bellow with a grey background. Can we expect having rest of "the branding 
set" ?

Cheers,
Mateusz

> On 20 Mar 2017, at 15:47, Mario Villaplana  wrote:
> 
> +1, this looks like a nicely stylized version of PXE Boots. Thanks!
> 
> Mario
> 
> On Mon, Mar 13, 2017 at 3:25 PM, Jim Rollenhagen  
> wrote:
>> 
>> On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 11:28 AM, Heidi Joy Tretheway
>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Ironic team,
>>> Here’s an update on your project logo. Our illustrator tried to be as true
>>> as possible to your original, while ensuring it matched the line weight,
>>> color palette and style of the rest. Thanks for your patience as we worked
>>> on this! Feel free to direct feedback to me; we really want to get this
>>> right for you.
>> 
>> 
>> This is fantastic! Thank you for putting up with us, I think it turned out
>> well in the end.
>> 
>> // jim
>> 
>> 
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Re: [openstack-dev] [ironic] New mascot design

[Mario Villaplana]

+1, this looks like a nicely stylized version of PXE Boots. Thanks!

Mario

On Mon, Mar 13, 2017 at 3:25 PM, Jim Rollenhagen  
wrote:
>
> On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 11:28 AM, Heidi Joy Tretheway
>  wrote:
>>
>> Hi Ironic team,
>> Here’s an update on your project logo. Our illustrator tried to be as true
>> as possible to your original, while ensuring it matched the line weight,
>> color palette and style of the rest. Thanks for your patience as we worked
>> on this! Feel free to direct feedback to me; we really want to get this
>> right for you.
>
>
> This is fantastic! Thank you for putting up with us, I think it turned out
> well in the end.
>
> // jim
>
>
>
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Re: [openstack-dev] [ironic] New mascot design

[Jim Rollenhagen]

On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 11:28 AM, Heidi Joy Tretheway <
heidi...@openstack.org> wrote:

> Hi Ironic team,
> Here’s an update on your project logo. Our illustrator tried to be as true
> as possible to your original, while ensuring it matched the line weight,
> color palette and style of the rest. Thanks for your patience as we worked
> on this! Feel free to direct feedback to me; we really want to get this
> right for you.
>

This is fantastic! Thank you for putting up with us, I think it turned out
well in the end.

// jim
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Re: [openstack-dev] [ironic] New mascot design

[Julia Kreger]

I love it! +1

Thank you!

-Julia

On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 11:28 AM, Heidi Joy Tretheway <
heidi...@openstack.org> wrote:

> Hi Ironic team,
> Here’s an update on your project logo. Our illustrator tried to be as true
> as possible to your original, while ensuring it matched the line weight,
> color palette and style of the rest. Thanks for your patience as we worked
> on this! Feel free to direct feedback to me; we really want to get this
> right for you.
>
>
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Re: [openstack-dev] [ironic] New mascot design

[John Villalovos]

+1. Reminds me a lot of our current logo. I like this version the best of
the official stylized logos. Thanks.

On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 8:28 AM, Heidi Joy Tretheway  wrote:

> Hi Ironic team,
> Here’s an update on your project logo. Our illustrator tried to be as true
> as possible to your original, while ensuring it matched the line weight,
> color palette and style of the rest. Thanks for your patience as we worked
> on this! Feel free to direct feedback to me; we really want to get this
> right for you.
>
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Re: [openstack-dev] [ironic] New mascot design

[Jay Faulkner]

> On Mar 10, 2017, at 8:28 AM, Heidi Joy Tretheway  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Ironic team, 
> Here’s an update on your project logo. Our illustrator tried to be as true as 
> possible to your original, while ensuring it matched the line weight, color 
> palette and style of the rest. Thanks for your patience as we worked on this! 
> Feel free to direct feedback to me; we really want to get this right for you. 
> 
> 
> 


+1, this is a great evolution of the existing Pixie Boots. 

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Re: [openstack-dev] [ironic] New mascot design

[Dmitry Tantsur]

On 03/10/2017 05:28 PM, Heidi Joy Tretheway wrote:

Hi Ironic team,
Here’s an update on your project logo. Our illustrator tried to be as true as
possible to your original, while ensuring it matched the line weight, color
palette and style of the rest. Thanks for your patience as we worked on this!
Feel free to direct feedback to me; we really want to get this right for you.


Thanks, this variant is really in spirit of our original Pixie, as well as the 
other new logos. Great job!


I wonder if the eyes could be slightly bigger. Kind of a nit-pick though, it's 
fine as it is.







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Re: [openstack-dev] [ironic] New mascot design

[Lucas Alvares Gomes]

Hi,

Thanks for the update Heidi. I think this version is fine so +1 from me, it
carries the essence of the original Pixie :-)

Cheers,
Lucas

On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 4:28 PM, Heidi Joy Tretheway  wrote:

> Hi Ironic team,
> Here’s an update on your project logo. Our illustrator tried to be as true
> as possible to your original, while ensuring it matched the line weight,
> color palette and style of the rest. Thanks for your patience as we worked
> on this! Feel free to direct feedback to me; we really want to get this
> right for you.
>
>
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Re: [openstack-dev] [ironic] New mascot design

[Pavlo Shchelokovskyy]

Hi Heidi,

imo this one is the best so far.

+1 I like it too.

Dr. Pavlo Shchelokovskyy
Senior Software Engineer
Mirantis Inc
www.mirantis.com

On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 6:37 PM, Miles Gould  wrote:

> On 10/03/17 16:28, Heidi Joy Tretheway wrote:
>
>> Hi Ironic team,
>> Here’s an update on your project logo. Our illustrator tried to be as
>> true as possible to your original, while ensuring it matched the line
>> weight, color palette and style of the rest. Thanks for your patience as
>> we worked on this! Feel free to direct feedback to me; we really want to
>> get this right for you.
>>
>
> I like it!
>
> Miles
>
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Re: [openstack-dev] [ironic] New mascot design

[Miles Gould]

On 10/03/17 16:28, Heidi Joy Tretheway wrote:

Hi Ironic team,
Here’s an update on your project logo. Our illustrator tried to be as
true as possible to your original, while ensuring it matched the line
weight, color palette and style of the rest. Thanks for your patience as
we worked on this! Feel free to direct feedback to me; we really want to
get this right for you.


I like it!

Miles

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Re: [openstack-dev] [ironic] New mascot design

[Heidi Joy Tretheway]

Hi Ironic team, 
Here’s an update on your project logo. Our illustrator tried to be as true as 
possible to your original, while ensuring it matched the line weight, color 
palette and style of the rest. Thanks for your patience as we worked on this! 
Feel free to direct feedback to me; we really want to get this right for you. 


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Re: [openstack-dev] [ironic] New mascot design

[Heidi Joy Tretheway]

Hi Jay & Ironic-ers, 

No, that’s not out of the question at all. In fact, we already added in the 
sticks as drumsticks, and on our list for revision we’re looking to take out 
the leaf (to make the sticks more drumstick-like) and add back in the Kiss 
makeup since many folks in your community liked it. Right now we’ve pressed 
pause on any new changes until after the PTL to give your team a chance to 
debate options and coalesce around a single direction for the design revision 
(since we’re seeing a lot of conflicting feedback). I’m eager to support your 
team’s requests. :-)

> On Feb 21, 2017, at 10:24 AM, Jay Faulkner  wrote:
> 
>> 
>> On Feb 15, 2017, at 5:25 PM, Heidi Joy Tretheway  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Ironic team, 
>> 
>> [TL;DR - we agree to Miles’ proposal for two images (one mascot, one logo) 
>> for different contexts. We’re looking for any final feedback on the stylized 
>> logo for use on the website, while the PixieBoots mascot remains yours for 
>> swag, etc.]
>> 
>> I’m doing my best to reply to all questions on this thread as Lucas 
>> requested: 
>> http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-February/112212.html.
>>  
>> Please feel free to drop a note here if I’ve missed anything. I’m 
>> summarizing everything below:
>> 
>> Design issues: 
>> —The bear looked angry in v1
>> Answer: We removed the angry expression and replaced it with a neutral 
>> expression
>> —The metal horns hand gesture is culturally inappropriate (rude in some 
>> countries) (from Ruby)
>> Answer: We removed this feature and replaced it, based on the team’s input, 
>> with the bear holding sticks (as drumsticks)
>> —What about a goat-like horned bear? (Joanna)
>> Answer: We removed horned references due to the cultural reference to 
>> cuckolding as the Ironic team pointed out
>> —The bear looks too much like a Russian meme with two hands up
>> Answer: We have a face-forward bear, not a side-view bear, and only one hand 
>> raised.
>> —The bear’s face decoration looked too much like the band Kiss
>> Answer: While this was intentional by the designer (for a more “metal” 
>> look), we removed this feature and replaced it with basic bear face 
>> coloring. Some folks (including Miles, Dmitry, Sam who added +1s) would like 
>> this back in. We’re happy to do it, we just need the team to agree on one 
>> direction.
>> —Don’t like the style (reminds Lucas of church windows)
>> Answer: The design style for all of the mascots is set. It was shared in 
>> July when we started this project, and unfortunately the feedback window 
>> regarding design style has passed, as 95% of projects have now received 
>> their logos. 
>> —Request to abbreviate the bear so it just shows head/top of torso/hand 
>> holding drumsticks (from Dmitry)
>> Answer: We can revisit that with the designers, however it doesn’t match the 
>> rest of the logo set, which is either face or full body of each mascot. 
>> We’re happy to try this, but as we’ve already been four rounds with the 
>> team, I’m soliciting ANY final feedback on this version before we finalize 
>> it. 
>> 
>> 
> 
> I have a question about the drumsticks — I noticed today at the PTG, that the 
> cloud kitty mascot has a collar and license — that seems like a minimal 
> manmade addition to that logo, similar to what actual drumsticks would be 
> with an Ironic mascot. Is it completely out of the question to revisit adding 
> those back to the logo? As this debate has shown, it’s difficult to transmit 
> the idea of a “metal” bear without some kind of musical tool/instrument 
> involved.
> 
> Thanks,
> Jay Faulkner
> 
>> Outstanding questions: 
>> —Can we use PixieBoots in the future? 
>> Answer: Absolutely. You’re welcome to produce vintage swag like shirts and 
>> stickers with your original logo. Any team can use their old logo in this 
>> way. Put another way, if you’d like to call PixieBoots your mascot, but 
>> refer to the Ironic logo our illustrators have created as merely a logo, 
>> that’s fine. And you don’t have to use this logo if you don’t want to. 
>> —Can we use (1) A stylized logo, matching the guidelines, for use in 
>> “official” settings and anywhere that it will be seen in other projects’ 
>> logos; and (2) Our existing PixieBoots mascot, for use in “official” 
>> settings (laptop stickers, T-shirts, chatbots, webcomic, etc.)? (suggested 
>> by Miles)
>> Answer: Great suggestion! Yes. Together with the answer above, that’s our 
>> intention—we’d like for you to be able to continue to use your beloved 
>> mascot in your own way, and we’d like the Ironic team to select some logo 
>> that is consistent with the rest of the community project logos, that we can 
>> use on official channels such as the website.
>> —What will we see at the PTG?
>> Answer: Out of respect for the team, we did not print stickers or signage 
>> for the Ironic team with any logo on it until the team reaches an agreement. 
>> —What license will the mascot have?
>> Answer: It will

Re: [openstack-dev] [ironic] New mascot design

[Jay Faulkner]

> On Feb 15, 2017, at 5:25 PM, Heidi Joy Tretheway  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Ironic team, 
> 
> [TL;DR - we agree to Miles’ proposal for two images (one mascot, one logo) 
> for different contexts. We’re looking for any final feedback on the stylized 
> logo for use on the website, while the PixieBoots mascot remains yours for 
> swag, etc.]
> 
> I’m doing my best to reply to all questions on this thread as Lucas 
> requested: 
> http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-February/112212.html. 
> Please feel free to drop a note here if I’ve missed anything. I’m summarizing 
> everything below:
> 
> Design issues: 
> —The bear looked angry in v1
> Answer: We removed the angry expression and replaced it with a neutral 
> expression
> —The metal horns hand gesture is culturally inappropriate (rude in some 
> countries) (from Ruby)
> Answer: We removed this feature and replaced it, based on the team’s input, 
> with the bear holding sticks (as drumsticks)
> —What about a goat-like horned bear? (Joanna)
> Answer: We removed horned references due to the cultural reference to 
> cuckolding as the Ironic team pointed out
> —The bear looks too much like a Russian meme with two hands up
> Answer: We have a face-forward bear, not a side-view bear, and only one hand 
> raised.
> —The bear’s face decoration looked too much like the band Kiss
> Answer: While this was intentional by the designer (for a more “metal” look), 
> we removed this feature and replaced it with basic bear face coloring. Some 
> folks (including Miles, Dmitry, Sam who added +1s) would like this back in. 
> We’re happy to do it, we just need the team to agree on one direction.
> —Don’t like the style (reminds Lucas of church windows)
> Answer: The design style for all of the mascots is set. It was shared in July 
> when we started this project, and unfortunately the feedback window regarding 
> design style has passed, as 95% of projects have now received their logos. 
> —Request to abbreviate the bear so it just shows head/top of torso/hand 
> holding drumsticks (from Dmitry)
> Answer: We can revisit that with the designers, however it doesn’t match the 
> rest of the logo set, which is either face or full body of each mascot. We’re 
> happy to try this, but as we’ve already been four rounds with the team, I’m 
> soliciting ANY final feedback on this version before we finalize it. 
> 
> 

I have a question about the drumsticks — I noticed today at the PTG, that the 
cloud kitty mascot has a collar and license — that seems like a minimal manmade 
addition to that logo, similar to what actual drumsticks would be with an 
Ironic mascot. Is it completely out of the question to revisit adding those 
back to the logo? As this debate has shown, it’s difficult to transmit the idea 
of a “metal” bear without some kind of musical tool/instrument involved.

Thanks,
Jay Faulkner

> Outstanding questions: 
> —Can we use PixieBoots in the future? 
> Answer: Absolutely. You’re welcome to produce vintage swag like shirts and 
> stickers with your original logo. Any team can use their old logo in this 
> way. Put another way, if you’d like to call PixieBoots your mascot, but refer 
> to the Ironic logo our illustrators have created as merely a logo, that’s 
> fine. And you don’t have to use this logo if you don’t want to. 
> —Can we use (1) A stylized logo, matching the guidelines, for use in 
> “official” settings and anywhere that it will be seen in other projects’ 
> logos; and (2) Our existing PixieBoots mascot, for use in “official” settings 
> (laptop stickers, T-shirts, chatbots, webcomic, etc.)? (suggested by Miles)
> Answer: Great suggestion! Yes. Together with the answer above, that’s our 
> intention—we’d like for you to be able to continue to use your beloved mascot 
> in your own way, and we’d like the Ironic team to select some logo that is 
> consistent with the rest of the community project logos, that we can use on 
> official channels such as the website.
> —What will we see at the PTG?
> Answer: Out of respect for the team, we did not print stickers or signage for 
> the Ironic team with any logo on it until the team reaches an agreement. 
> —What license will the mascot have?
> Answer: It will be CC-BY-ND, which the foundation uses for most of our 
> collateral. That allows you to use it (and we’ve provided ten versions to the 
> PTLs of the projects with finalized mascots so they have a good amount of 
> flexibility in logo use). It prevents, for example, a for-profit company from 
> inserting its commercial logo into an element of the community-use mascots 
> (which was a common request early in the design process). If you would like 
> to make a derivative work, we can definitely find a way to compromise, just 
> send me a note. 
> —What does the foundation want to achieve with this? (from Lucas)
> Answer: We’re trying to communicate, by way of design, that the projects are 
> cohesive and connected, while still preserving (via a team

Re: [openstack-dev] [ironic] New mascot design

[Loo, Ruby]

Hi Heidi,

I'm happy with the proposed logo.

As far as the "kiss" style face painting goes, I don't like it. But that is 
because I am not a fan of KISS or their music. Having said that, I can 
understand why people would like it and why it fits with ironic, so I am fine 
if it is used :)

Thank you for being so patient with us and going the extra kilometres!

--ruby

From: Lucas Alvares Gomes 
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Date: Thursday, February 16, 2017 at 5:44 AM
To: "OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)" 

Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [ironic] New mascot design

Hi,

Hi Ironic team,

[TL;DR - we agree to Miles’ proposal for two images (one mascot, one logo) for 
different contexts. We’re looking for any final feedback on the stylized logo 
for use on the website, while the PixieBoots mascot remains yours for swag, 
etc.]

I’m doing my best to reply to all questions on this thread as Lucas requested: 
http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-February/112212.html.
Please feel free to drop a note here if I’ve missed anything. I’m summarizing 
everything below:

Design issues:
—The bear looked angry in v1
Answer: We removed the angry expression and replaced it with a neutral 
expression
—The metal horns hand gesture is culturally inappropriate (rude in some 
countries) (from Ruby)
Answer: We removed this feature and replaced it, based on the team’s input, 
with the bear holding sticks (as drumsticks)
—What about a goat-like horned bear? (Joanna)
Answer: We removed horned references due to the cultural reference to 
cuckolding as the Ironic team pointed out
—The bear looks too much like a Russian meme with two hands up
Answer: We have a face-forward bear, not a side-view bear, and only one hand 
raised.
—The bear’s face decoration looked too much like the band Kiss
Answer: While this was intentional by the designer (for a more “metal” look), 
we removed this feature and replaced it with basic bear face coloring. Some 
folks (including Miles, Dmitry, Sam who added +1s) would like this back in. 
We’re happy to do it, we just need the team to agree on one direction.

I'm OK either way, but liked the "KISS" style face painting.


+1 the kiss star looks cool indeed.




—Don’t like the style (reminds Lucas of church windows)
Answer: The design style for all of the mascots is set. It was shared in July 
when we started this project, and unfortunately the feedback window regarding 
design style has passed, as 95% of projects have now received their logos.


Fair enough



—Request to abbreviate the bear so it just shows head/top of torso/hand holding 
drumsticks (from Dmitry)
Answer: We can revisit that with the designers, however it doesn’t match the 
rest of the logo set, which is either face or full body of each mascot. We’re 
happy to try this, but as we’ve already been four rounds with the team, I’m 
soliciting ANY final feedback on this version before we finalize it.

I'm OK with this. I think it'll be the closest we'll get to something everyone 
can agree on. +1 from me.


Outstanding questions:
—Can we use PixieBoots in the future?
Answer: Absolutely. You’re welcome to produce vintage swag like shirts and 
stickers with your original logo. Any team can use their old logo in this way. 
Put another way, if you’d like to call PixieBoots your mascot, but refer to the 
Ironic logo our illustrators have created as merely a logo, that’s fine. And 
you don’t have to use this logo if you don’t want to.
—Can we use (1) A stylized logo, matching the guidelines, for use in “official” 
settings and anywhere that it will be seen in other projects’ logos; and (2) 
Our existing PixieBoots mascot, for use in “official” settings (laptop 
stickers, T-shirts, chatbots, webcomic, etc.)? (suggested by Miles)
Answer: Great suggestion! Yes. Together with the answer above, that’s our 
intention—we’d like for you to be able to continue to use your beloved mascot 
in your own way, and we’d like the Ironic team to select some logo that is 
consistent with the rest of the community project logos, that we can use on 
official channels such as the website.
—What will we see at the PTG?
Answer: Out of respect for the team, we did not print stickers or signage for 
the Ironic team with any logo on it until the team reaches an agreement.
—What license will the mascot have?
Answer: It will be CC-BY-ND, which the foundation uses for most of our 
collateral. That allows you to use it (and we’ve provided ten versions to the 
PTLs of the projects with finalized mascots so they have a good amount of 
flexibility in logo use). It prevents, for example, a for-profit company from 
inserting its commercial logo into an element of the community-use mascots 
(which was a common request early in the design process). If you would like to 
make a derivative work, we can definitely find a way to 

Re: [openstack-dev] [ironic] New mascot design

[Lucas Alvares Gomes]

Hi,

> Hi Ironic team,
>
> [TL;DR - we agree to Miles’ proposal for two images (one mascot, one logo) 
> for different contexts. We’re looking for any final feedback on the stylized 
> logo for use on the website, while the PixieBoots mascot remains yours for 
> swag, etc.]
>
> I’m doing my best to reply to all questions on this thread as Lucas 
> requested: 
> http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-February/112212.html.
> Please feel free to drop a note here if I’ve missed anything. I’m summarizing 
> everything below:
>
> Design issues:
> —The bear looked angry in v1
> Answer: We removed the angry expression and replaced it with a neutral 
> expression
> —The metal horns hand gesture is culturally inappropriate (rude in some 
> countries) (from Ruby)
> Answer: We removed this feature and replaced it, based on the team’s input, 
> with the bear holding sticks (as drumsticks)
> —What about a goat-like horned bear? (Joanna)
> Answer: We removed horned references due to the cultural reference to 
> cuckolding as the Ironic team pointed out
> —The bear looks too much like a Russian meme with two hands up
> Answer: We have a face-forward bear, not a side-view bear, and only one hand 
> raised.
> —The bear’s face decoration looked too much like the band Kiss
> Answer: While this was intentional by the designer (for a more “metal” look), 
> we removed this feature and replaced it with basic bear face coloring. Some 
> folks (including Miles, Dmitry, Sam who added +1s) would like this back in. 
> We’re happy to do it, we just need the team to agree on one direction.
>
> I'm OK either way, but liked the "KISS" style face painting.


+1 the kiss star looks cool indeed.


>
>
> —Don’t like the style (reminds Lucas of church windows)
> Answer: The design style for all of the mascots is set. It was shared in July 
> when we started this project, and unfortunately the feedback window regarding 
> design style has passed, as 95% of projects have now received their logos.


Fair enough

>
>
> —Request to abbreviate the bear so it just shows head/top of torso/hand 
> holding drumsticks (from Dmitry)
> Answer: We can revisit that with the designers, however it doesn’t match the 
> rest of the logo set, which is either face or full body of each mascot. We’re 
> happy to try this, but as we’ve already been four rounds with the team, I’m 
> soliciting ANY final feedback on this version before we finalize it.
>
> I'm OK with this. I think it'll be the closest we'll get to something 
> everyone can agree on. +1 from me.
>
>
> Outstanding questions:
> —Can we use PixieBoots in the future?
> Answer: Absolutely. You’re welcome to produce vintage swag like shirts and 
> stickers with your original logo. Any team can use their old logo in this 
> way. Put another way, if you’d like to call PixieBoots your mascot, but refer 
> to the Ironic logo our illustrators have created as merely a logo, that’s 
> fine. And you don’t have to use this logo if you don’t want to.
> —Can we use (1) A stylized logo, matching the guidelines, for use in 
> “official” settings and anywhere that it will be seen in other projects’ 
> logos; and (2) Our existing PixieBoots mascot, for use in “official” settings 
> (laptop stickers, T-shirts, chatbots, webcomic, etc.)? (suggested by Miles)
> Answer: Great suggestion! Yes. Together with the answer above, that’s our 
> intention—we’d like for you to be able to continue to use your beloved mascot 
> in your own way, and we’d like the Ironic team to select some logo that is 
> consistent with the rest of the community project logos, that we can use on 
> official channels such as the website.
> —What will we see at the PTG?
> Answer: Out of respect for the team, we did not print stickers or signage for 
> the Ironic team with any logo on it until the team reaches an agreement.
> —What license will the mascot have?
> Answer: It will be CC-BY-ND, which the foundation uses for most of our 
> collateral. That allows you to use it (and we’ve provided ten versions to the 
> PTLs of the projects with finalized mascots so they have a good amount of 
> flexibility in logo use). It prevents, for example, a for-profit company from 
> inserting its commercial logo into an element of the community-use mascots 
> (which was a common request early in the design process). If you would like 
> to make a derivative work, we can definitely find a way to compromise, just 
> send me a note.

Personally I would prefer a license that allowed people to just create
derivatives without having to ask the foundation first because I think
that represents better a free software project. But, apparently
there's an agreement on it already, so it's fine.

>
> —What does the foundation want to achieve with this? (from Lucas)
> Answer: We’re trying to communicate, by way of design, that the projects are 
> cohesive and connected, while still preserving (via a team-selected mascot) 
> the team’s individual identity. We’d also lik

Re: [openstack-dev] [ironic] New mascot design

[Jay Faulkner]

Comments inline, in bold


From: Heidi Joy Tretheway 
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 2:25 PM
To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)
Subject: [openstack-dev] [ironic] New mascot design

Hi Ironic team,

[TL;DR - we agree to Miles’ proposal for two images (one mascot, one logo) for 
different contexts. We’re looking for any final feedback on the stylized logo 
for use on the website, while the PixieBoots mascot remains yours for swag, 
etc.]

I’m doing my best to reply to all questions on this thread as Lucas requested: 
http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-February/112212.html.
Please feel free to drop a note here if I’ve missed anything. I’m summarizing 
everything below:

Design issues:
—The bear looked angry in v1
Answer: We removed the angry expression and replaced it with a neutral 
expression
—The metal horns hand gesture is culturally inappropriate (rude in some 
countries) (from Ruby)
Answer: We removed this feature and replaced it, based on the team’s input, 
with the bear holding sticks (as drumsticks)
—What about a goat-like horned bear? (Joanna)
Answer: We removed horned references due to the cultural reference to 
cuckolding as the Ironic team pointed out
—The bear looks too much like a Russian meme with two hands up
Answer: We have a face-forward bear, not a side-view bear, and only one hand 
raised.
—The bear’s face decoration looked too much like the band Kiss
Answer: While this was intentional by the designer (for a more “metal” look), 
we removed this feature and replaced it with basic bear face coloring. Some 
folks (including Miles, Dmitry, Sam who added +1s) would like this back in. 
We’re happy to do it, we just need the team to agree on one direction.

I'm OK either way, but liked the "KISS" style face painting.

—Don’t like the style (reminds Lucas of church windows)
Answer: The design style for all of the mascots is set. It was shared in July 
when we started this project, and unfortunately the feedback window regarding 
design style has passed, as 95% of projects have now received their logos.
—Request to abbreviate the bear so it just shows head/top of torso/hand holding 
drumsticks (from Dmitry)
Answer: We can revisit that with the designers, however it doesn’t match the 
rest of the logo set, which is either face or full body of each mascot. We’re 
happy to try this, but as we’ve already been four rounds with the team, I’m 
soliciting ANY final feedback on this version before we finalize it.
[cid:389D8878-F39E-485B-B2CA-8B586ABD228C]

I'm OK with this. I think it'll be the closest we'll get to something everyone 
can agree on. +1 from me.


Outstanding questions:
—Can we use PixieBoots in the future?
Answer: Absolutely. You’re welcome to produce vintage swag like shirts and 
stickers with your original logo. Any team can use their old logo in this way. 
Put another way, if you’d like to call PixieBoots your mascot, but refer to the 
Ironic logo our illustrators have created as merely a logo, that’s fine. And 
you don’t have to use this logo if you don’t want to.
—Can we use (1) A stylized logo, matching the guidelines, for use in “official” 
settings and anywhere that it will be seen in other projects’ logos; and (2) 
Our existing PixieBoots mascot, for use in “official” settings (laptop 
stickers, T-shirts, chatbots, webcomic, etc.)? (suggested by Miles)
Answer: Great suggestion! Yes. Together with the answer above, that’s our 
intention—we’d like for you to be able to continue to use your beloved mascot 
in your own way, and we’d like the Ironic team to select some logo that is 
consistent with the rest of the community project logos, that we can use on 
official channels such as the website.
—What will we see at the PTG?
Answer: Out of respect for the team, we did not print stickers or signage for 
the Ironic team with any logo on it until the team reaches an agreement.
—What license will the mascot have?
Answer: It will be CC-BY-ND, which the foundation uses for most of our 
collateral. That allows you to use it (and we’ve provided ten versions to the 
PTLs of the projects with finalized mascots so they have a good amount of 
flexibility in logo use). It prevents, for example, a for-profit company from 
inserting its commercial logo into an element of the community-use mascots 
(which was a common request early in the design process). If you would like to 
make a derivative work, we can definitely find a way to compromise, just send 
me a note.
—What does the foundation want to achieve with this? (from Lucas)
Answer: We’re trying to communicate, by way of design, that the projects are 
cohesive and connected, while still preserving (via a team-selected mascot) the 
team’s individual identity. We’d also like to help those projects that don’t 
have design resources present themselves on an even footing with the others. 
The majority of projects didn’t have their own mascots when this process bega

Re: [openstack-dev] [ironic] New mascot design

[Lucas Alvares Gomes]

Hi Heidi,

Thanks for the email.

I don't wanna be rude but we left the last ML thread [0] with many
questions without an answer. It would be good to keep the discussion in one
thread only to make it easier for people to read about it in the future.

I don't think we have much of a choice, so, the logo proposed is fine to me
+1. But again - being honest - I don't find the style proposed for the
logos (all logos) good. For example, here's how I would like it to look
like in a minimalist style [1]. This very thick outlining on the proposed
logos reminds me of those paintings on the windows of a church [2]

Anyway, my only question would be about the license. How these images will
be licensed ? Will people be allowed to create derivative works from it ?
If you could, please, add the license to the project-mascots page [3] so
people know what they can and can not do with it without getting into some
legal trouble.

[0]
http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-February/111401.html

[1]
http://www.likehdwallpaper.com/wp-content/uploads/Simple%20Background/FTP1/1280x800/Bear%20minimalist%20wallpaper%201280x800.jpg

[2]
http://www.art-prints-on-demand.com/kunst/the_william_morris_factory/winged_angel_stained_glass_wi_hi.jpg

[3] https://www.openstack.org/project-mascots/

Thank you,
Lucas

On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 8:00 PM, Heidi Joy Tretheway  wrote:

> Hi Ironic team,
>
> Thanks for your feedback, especially helping us to ensure that the mascot
> would be culturally appropriate worldwide. Our most recent offering to the
> team was generally liked, with a request to cut it off at the middle
> (head/arms/top of the stomach) per Dmitry. Note this version has the sticks
> (as drumsticks) in his paw, based on your feedback.
>
>
>
> As a reminder, you can still use the original PixieBoots mascot on
> shirts/stickers/swag, but we need a stylistically consistent logo for use
> on official channels (such as the website) to appear as part of the logo
> family.
>
> If there are any other thoughts/feedback, we’d welcome them here. Then
> I’ll take this back to the illustrators. One issue is that all mascots are
> either head-only, or full-body, so this doesn’t precisely match them, which
> is why we’re asking the illustrators to take another stab at this version
> to try to make it fit better.
>
> While you won’t see any Ironic logo at the PTG, my hope is that we can
> produce a final version and some nice swag for your team for the Boston
> Summit. Thanks again for doing your best to find a compromise that fits
> with the rest of the teams!
>
> —Heidi Joy
>
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Re: [openstack-dev] [ironic] New mascot design

[Taryma, Joanna]

Just thinking – horns seem pretty metal, what do you think about goat-like 
horned bear? :)

Joanna

On 2/6/17, 5:26 AM, "Sam Betts (sambetts)"  wrote:

+100

On 06/02/2017, 12:32, "Dmitry Tantsur"  wrote:

On 02/06/2017 12:49 PM, Miles Gould wrote:
> On 01/02/17 21:38, Lucas Alvares Gomes wrote:
>> But, let me ask something, what the foundation really wants to 
achieve
>> with this ? Cause I think we are conflating two things here: A logo 
(or
>> brand) and a mascot.
>
> I think this is an excellent point. The constraints on logos make a 
lot of sense
> *for logos*, but it'll be very hard to achieve something like Pixie 
Boots within
> them. Could we perhaps use *two* images for different contexts?
>
> 1) a stylized logo, matching the guidelines, for use in "official" 
settings and
> anywhere that it will be seen alongside other projects' logos;
> 2) our existing Pixie Boots mascot, for use in "unofficial" settings 
(laptop
> stickers, T-shirts, chatbots, The Bear Metal Adventures of Pixie 
Boots webcomic
> series*, etc, etc).
>
> It'll be much easier to agree on image 1 if we don't reject every 
proposal for
> not capturing every nuance of image 2.
>
> If that makes sense, I have a suggestion for the next iteration of 
the logo, if
> one is needed: take the head from logo version 3.0. AFAICT, that 
meets all the
> objections raised so far:
>
>  - it's simple and logo-like,
>  - it's not holding any man-made objects,
>  - it's friendly,
>  - it has heavy-metal facial markings,
>  - it's not making any potentially-obscene gestures.
>
> It doesn't look exactly like Pixie Boots, but if we can carry on 
using Pixie in
> unofficial contexts, that shouldn't be a problem.

+100 to everything written here.

>
> Miles
>
> * In which Pixie Boots, sysadmin by day and rock musician by night, 
solves a
> series of increasingly baffling deployment problems using AWESOME 
DRUM SOLOS.
>
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Re: [openstack-dev] [ironic] New mascot design

[Sam Betts (sambetts)]

+100

On 06/02/2017, 12:32, "Dmitry Tantsur"  wrote:

On 02/06/2017 12:49 PM, Miles Gould wrote:
> On 01/02/17 21:38, Lucas Alvares Gomes wrote:
>> But, let me ask something, what the foundation really wants to achieve
>> with this ? Cause I think we are conflating two things here: A logo (or
>> brand) and a mascot.
>
> I think this is an excellent point. The constraints on logos make a lot 
of sense
> *for logos*, but it'll be very hard to achieve something like Pixie Boots 
within
> them. Could we perhaps use *two* images for different contexts?
>
> 1) a stylized logo, matching the guidelines, for use in "official" 
settings and
> anywhere that it will be seen alongside other projects' logos;
> 2) our existing Pixie Boots mascot, for use in "unofficial" settings 
(laptop
> stickers, T-shirts, chatbots, The Bear Metal Adventures of Pixie Boots 
webcomic
> series*, etc, etc).
>
> It'll be much easier to agree on image 1 if we don't reject every 
proposal for
> not capturing every nuance of image 2.
>
> If that makes sense, I have a suggestion for the next iteration of the 
logo, if
> one is needed: take the head from logo version 3.0. AFAICT, that meets 
all the
> objections raised so far:
>
>  - it's simple and logo-like,
>  - it's not holding any man-made objects,
>  - it's friendly,
>  - it has heavy-metal facial markings,
>  - it's not making any potentially-obscene gestures.
>
> It doesn't look exactly like Pixie Boots, but if we can carry on using 
Pixie in
> unofficial contexts, that shouldn't be a problem.

+100 to everything written here.

>
> Miles
>
> * In which Pixie Boots, sysadmin by day and rock musician by night, 
solves a
> series of increasingly baffling deployment problems using AWESOME DRUM 
SOLOS.
>
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Re: [openstack-dev] [ironic] New mascot design

[Dmitry Tantsur]

On 02/06/2017 12:49 PM, Miles Gould wrote:

On 01/02/17 21:38, Lucas Alvares Gomes wrote:

But, let me ask something, what the foundation really wants to achieve
with this ? Cause I think we are conflating two things here: A logo (or
brand) and a mascot.


I think this is an excellent point. The constraints on logos make a lot of sense
*for logos*, but it'll be very hard to achieve something like Pixie Boots within
them. Could we perhaps use *two* images for different contexts?

1) a stylized logo, matching the guidelines, for use in "official" settings and
anywhere that it will be seen alongside other projects' logos;
2) our existing Pixie Boots mascot, for use in "unofficial" settings (laptop
stickers, T-shirts, chatbots, The Bear Metal Adventures of Pixie Boots webcomic
series*, etc, etc).

It'll be much easier to agree on image 1 if we don't reject every proposal for
not capturing every nuance of image 2.

If that makes sense, I have a suggestion for the next iteration of the logo, if
one is needed: take the head from logo version 3.0. AFAICT, that meets all the
objections raised so far:

 - it's simple and logo-like,
 - it's not holding any man-made objects,
 - it's friendly,
 - it has heavy-metal facial markings,
 - it's not making any potentially-obscene gestures.

It doesn't look exactly like Pixie Boots, but if we can carry on using Pixie in
unofficial contexts, that shouldn't be a problem.


+100 to everything written here.



Miles

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series of increasingly baffling deployment problems using AWESOME DRUM SOLOS.

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Re: [openstack-dev] [ironic] New mascot design

[Miles Gould]

On 01/02/17 21:38, Lucas Alvares Gomes wrote:

But, let me ask something, what the foundation really wants to achieve
with this ? Cause I think we are conflating two things here: A logo (or
brand) and a mascot.


I think this is an excellent point. The constraints on logos make a lot 
of sense *for logos*, but it'll be very hard to achieve something like 
Pixie Boots within them. Could we perhaps use *two* images for different 
contexts?


1) a stylized logo, matching the guidelines, for use in "official" 
settings and anywhere that it will be seen alongside other projects' logos;
2) our existing Pixie Boots mascot, for use in "unofficial" settings 
(laptop stickers, T-shirts, chatbots, The Bear Metal Adventures of Pixie 
Boots webcomic series*, etc, etc).


It'll be much easier to agree on image 1 if we don't reject every 
proposal for not capturing every nuance of image 2.


If that makes sense, I have a suggestion for the next iteration of the 
logo, if one is needed: take the head from logo version 3.0. AFAICT, 
that meets all the objections raised so far:


 - it's simple and logo-like,
 - it's not holding any man-made objects,
 - it's friendly,
 - it has heavy-metal facial markings,
 - it's not making any potentially-obscene gestures.

It doesn't look exactly like Pixie Boots, but if we can carry on using 
Pixie in unofficial contexts, that shouldn't be a problem.


Miles

* In which Pixie Boots, sysadmin by day and rock musician by night, 
solves a series of increasingly baffling deployment problems using 
AWESOME DRUM SOLOS.


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Re: [openstack-dev] [ironic] New mascot design

[Clint Byrum]

I'm only barely an Ironic contributor these days, but what about having
the bear do David Lee Roth's famous jump?

http://www.vhnd.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/kick_fb.jpg

Doesn't require props, and no hand gestures.

Alternatively, you could have the bear playing air guitar... if that can
be captured in the level of detail the logos allow.

Excerpts from Mathieu Mitchell's message of 2017-02-02 13:21:06 -0500:
> Oh...
> 
> I'm with the group here.
> 
> Let's find something that looks nice and is not offensive to anyone.
> 
> Mathieu
> 
> On 2017-02-02 11:52 AM, Jay Faulkner wrote:
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sign_of_the_horns came up in IRC, as the sign 
> > the bear is making. Obviously to me, I read it as the heavy metal gesture. 
> > Apparently it is offensive in some cultures, so I change my vote to -1, 
> > since I don’t want to offend folks in other parts of the world :).
> >
> > -Jay
> >
> >> On Feb 1, 2017, at 12:38 PM, Jay Faulkner  wrote:
> >>
> >> Of the options presented, I think the new 3.0 version most brings to mind 
> >> a rocking bear.  It’s still tough to be OK with a new logo, given that 
> >> pixie boots is beloved by our team partially because Lucas took the time 
> >> to make us one — but it seems like not accepting a new logo created by the 
> >> foundation would lead to Ironic getting less marketing and resources, so 
> >> I’m not keen to go down that path. With that in mind, I’m +1 to version 
> >> 3.0 of the bear.
> >>
> >> -Jay
> >>
> >>> On Feb 1, 2017, at 12:05 PM, Heidi Joy Tretheway  
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi Ironic team,
> >>>
> >>> I’m sorry our second proposal again missed the mark. It wasn’t the 
> >>> illustrator’s intention to mimic the Bear Surprise painting that gained 
> >>> popularity in Russia as a meme. Our illustrator created a face-forward 
> >>> bear with paws shaped as if it had index and ring “fingers" down, like a 
> >>> hand gesture popular at a heavy metal concert. It was not meant to mimic 
> >>> the painting of a side-facing bear with paws and all “fingers" up to 
> >>> surprise. That said, once it’s seen, it’s tough to expect the community 
> >>> to un-see it, so we’ll take another approach.
> >>>
> >>> The issue with your old mascot is twofold: it doesn’t fit the 
> >>> illustration style for the entire suite of 60+ mascots, and it contains a 
> >>> human-made element (drumsticks). As part of our overall guidelines, 
> >>> human-made objects and symbols were not allowed, and we applied these 
> >>> standards to all projects.
> >>>
> >>> Your team told us you want a heavy metal bear, so we used the Kiss 
> >>> band-style makeup and the hand gesture to suggest metal without using an 
> >>> instrument or symbol. We tried to mimic your original logo’s expression. 
> >>> After releasing v1, we listened to your team’s comment that the first 
> >>> version was too angry looking, so you’ll see a range of expressions from 
> >>> fierce to neutral to happy.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 
> >>> I’d love to find a compromise with your team that will be in keeping with 
> >>> the style of the project logo suite. I’ll watch your ML for additional 
> >>> concerns about this proposed v3:
> >>> 
> >>>
> >>> Our illustration team’s next step is to parse the community feedback from 
> >>> the Ironic team (note that there is a substantial amount of conflicting 
> >>> feedback from 21 members of your team) and determine if we have majority 
> >>> support for a single direction.
> >>>
> >>> While new project logos are optional, virtually every project asked be 
> >>> represented in our family of logos. Only logos in this new style will be 
> >>> used on the project navigator and in other promotional ways.
> >>>
> >>> Feel free to join me for a quick chat tomorrow at 9:30 a.m. Pacific:
> >>> Join from PC, Mac, Linux, iOS or Android: https://zoom.us/j/5038169769
> >>> Or iPhone one-tap (US Toll): +16465588656,5038169769# or 
> >>> +14086380968,5038169769#
> >>> Or Telephone: Dial: +1 646 558 8656 (US Toll) or +1 408 638 0968 (US Toll)
> >>> Meeting ID: 503 816 9769
> >>> International numbers available: 
> >>> https://zoom.us/zoomconference?m=E5Gcj6WHnrCsWmjQRQr7KFsXkP9nAIaP
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 
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> >>> Senior Marketing Manager, OpenStack Foundation
> >>> 503 816 9769 | Skype: heidi.tretheway
> >>>
> >>>
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Re: [openstack-dev] [ironic] New mascot design

[Rochelle Grober]

Well, uh, how about Jazz hands?  Open, waving hands are pretty universally 
friendly and it would look more like a dancing bear which brings the music 
aspect bac a bit.

Sorry for butting in, but I couldn resist...

--Rocky

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On 02/02/17 16:55, Loo, Ruby wrote:
>  I guess a 'peace sign' wouldn't work?

That also has several meanings:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V_sign

On the other hand, the palm-forward version has no offensive meanings that I 
can see (the offensive version is palm-backwards).

I like the proposed logo v3.0, but I could get behind a version 3.1 in which 
the bear was flashing a peace/victory sign.

Miles

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Re: [openstack-dev] [ironic] New mascot design

[Miles Gould]

On 01/02/17 01:28, arkady.kanev...@dell.com wrote:

I think Russian already owns the bear.


AIUI, trademark law allows for use of the same mark by different 
entities provided they operate in different enough spheres to prevent 
confusion. Hence the long-running litigation between Apple Music and 
Apple Computer. So I think we'd be OK using a bear as well.


For the record, I'd -1 a spec proposing statehood for Ironic.

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Re: [openstack-dev] [ironic] New mascot design

[Miles Gould]

On 02/02/17 16:55, Loo, Ruby wrote:

 I guess a 'peace sign' wouldn't work?


That also has several meanings:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V_sign

On the other hand, the palm-forward version has no offensive meanings 
that I can see (the offensive version is palm-backwards).


I like the proposed logo v3.0, but I could get behind a version 3.1 in 
which the bear was flashing a peace/victory sign.


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Re: [openstack-dev] [ironic] New mascot design

[Lucas Alvares Gomes]

Hi,

> I'm with the group here.
>
> Let's find something that looks nice and is not offensive to anyone.
>

+1

...

Also, Heidi, I forgot to ask in the previous emails and I couldn't
find in the guidelines[0]: What license will these images have ? Will
people be allowed to share and create derivative works from it ( for
any purpose? ) ?

Note that our current mascot is licensed under CC BY-SA license [1]
and I think it's important to keep the freedom of it.

[0] https://www.openstack.org/project-mascots/
[1] https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/

Cheers,
Lucas

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Re: [openstack-dev] [ironic] New mascot design

[Mathieu Mitchell]

Oh...

I'm with the group here.

Let's find something that looks nice and is not offensive to anyone.

Mathieu

On 2017-02-02 11:52 AM, Jay Faulkner wrote:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sign_of_the_horns came up in IRC, as the sign the 
bear is making. Obviously to me, I read it as the heavy metal gesture. 
Apparently it is offensive in some cultures, so I change my vote to -1, since I 
don’t want to offend folks in other parts of the world :).

-Jay


On Feb 1, 2017, at 12:38 PM, Jay Faulkner  wrote:

Of the options presented, I think the new 3.0 version most brings to mind a 
rocking bear.  It’s still tough to be OK with a new logo, given that pixie 
boots is beloved by our team partially because Lucas took the time to make us 
one — but it seems like not accepting a new logo created by the foundation 
would lead to Ironic getting less marketing and resources, so I’m not keen to 
go down that path. With that in mind, I’m +1 to version 3.0 of the bear.

-Jay


On Feb 1, 2017, at 12:05 PM, Heidi Joy Tretheway  wrote:

Hi Ironic team,

I’m sorry our second proposal again missed the mark. It wasn’t the illustrator’s 
intention to mimic the Bear Surprise painting that gained popularity in Russia as a meme. 
Our illustrator created a face-forward bear with paws shaped as if it had index and ring 
“fingers" down, like a hand gesture popular at a heavy metal concert. It was not 
meant to mimic the painting of a side-facing bear with paws and all “fingers" up to 
surprise. That said, once it’s seen, it’s tough to expect the community to un-see it, so 
we’ll take another approach.

The issue with your old mascot is twofold: it doesn’t fit the illustration 
style for the entire suite of 60+ mascots, and it contains a human-made element 
(drumsticks). As part of our overall guidelines, human-made objects and symbols 
were not allowed, and we applied these standards to all projects.

Your team told us you want a heavy metal bear, so we used the Kiss band-style 
makeup and the hand gesture to suggest metal without using an instrument or 
symbol. We tried to mimic your original logo’s expression. After releasing v1, 
we listened to your team’s comment that the first version was too angry 
looking, so you’ll see a range of expressions from fierce to neutral to happy.



I’d love to find a compromise with your team that will be in keeping with the 
style of the project logo suite. I’ll watch your ML for additional concerns 
about this proposed v3:


Our illustration team’s next step is to parse the community feedback from the 
Ironic team (note that there is a substantial amount of conflicting feedback 
from 21 members of your team) and determine if we have majority support for a 
single direction.

While new project logos are optional, virtually every project asked be 
represented in our family of logos. Only logos in this new style will be used 
on the project navigator and in other promotional ways.

Feel free to join me for a quick chat tomorrow at 9:30 a.m. Pacific:
Join from PC, Mac, Linux, iOS or Android: https://zoom.us/j/5038169769
Or iPhone one-tap (US Toll): +16465588656,5038169769# or 
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Or Telephone: Dial: +1 646 558 8656 (US Toll) or +1 408 638 0968 (US Toll)
Meeting ID: 503 816 9769
International numbers available: 
https://zoom.us/zoomconference?m=E5Gcj6WHnrCsWmjQRQr7KFsXkP9nAIaP





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Re: [openstack-dev] [ironic] New mascot design

[Jay Faulkner]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sign_of_the_horns came up in IRC, as the sign the 
bear is making. Obviously to me, I read it as the heavy metal gesture. 
Apparently it is offensive in some cultures, so I change my vote to -1, since I 
don’t want to offend folks in other parts of the world :).

-Jay

> On Feb 1, 2017, at 12:38 PM, Jay Faulkner  wrote:
> 
> Of the options presented, I think the new 3.0 version most brings to mind a 
> rocking bear.  It’s still tough to be OK with a new logo, given that pixie 
> boots is beloved by our team partially because Lucas took the time to make us 
> one — but it seems like not accepting a new logo created by the foundation 
> would lead to Ironic getting less marketing and resources, so I’m not keen to 
> go down that path. With that in mind, I’m +1 to version 3.0 of the bear.
> 
> -Jay
> 
>> On Feb 1, 2017, at 12:05 PM, Heidi Joy Tretheway  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Ironic team,
>> 
>> I’m sorry our second proposal again missed the mark. It wasn’t the 
>> illustrator’s intention to mimic the Bear Surprise painting that gained 
>> popularity in Russia as a meme. Our illustrator created a face-forward bear 
>> with paws shaped as if it had index and ring “fingers" down, like a hand 
>> gesture popular at a heavy metal concert. It was not meant to mimic the 
>> painting of a side-facing bear with paws and all “fingers" up to surprise. 
>> That said, once it’s seen, it’s tough to expect the community to un-see it, 
>> so we’ll take another approach.
>> 
>> The issue with your old mascot is twofold: it doesn’t fit the illustration 
>> style for the entire suite of 60+ mascots, and it contains a human-made 
>> element (drumsticks). As part of our overall guidelines, human-made objects 
>> and symbols were not allowed, and we applied these standards to all projects.
>> 
>> Your team told us you want a heavy metal bear, so we used the Kiss 
>> band-style makeup and the hand gesture to suggest metal without using an 
>> instrument or symbol. We tried to mimic your original logo’s expression. 
>> After releasing v1, we listened to your team’s comment that the first 
>> version was too angry looking, so you’ll see a range of expressions from 
>> fierce to neutral to happy. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I’d love to find a compromise with your team that will be in keeping with 
>> the style of the project logo suite. I’ll watch your ML for additional 
>> concerns about this proposed v3:   
>> 
>> 
>> Our illustration team’s next step is to parse the community feedback from 
>> the Ironic team (note that there is a substantial amount of conflicting 
>> feedback from 21 members of your team) and determine if we have majority 
>> support for a single direction. 
>> 
>> While new project logos are optional, virtually every project asked be 
>> represented in our family of logos. Only logos in this new style will be 
>> used on the project navigator and in other promotional ways. 
>> 
>> Feel free to join me for a quick chat tomorrow at 9:30 a.m. Pacific:
>> Join from PC, Mac, Linux, iOS or Android: https://zoom.us/j/5038169769
>> Or iPhone one-tap (US Toll): +16465588656,5038169769# or 
>> +14086380968,5038169769#
>> Or Telephone: Dial: +1 646 558 8656 (US Toll) or +1 408 638 0968 (US Toll) 
>> Meeting ID: 503 816 9769
>> International numbers available: 
>> https://zoom.us/zoomconference?m=E5Gcj6WHnrCsWmjQRQr7KFsXkP9nAIaP
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  
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>> Senior Marketing Manager, OpenStack Foundation
>> 503 816 9769 | Skype: heidi.tretheway
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [openstack-dev] [ironic] New mascot design

[Julia Kreger]

I think Jay has phrased it perfectly.  With the context of the earlier 
discussion and the rules put forth at the beginning of this logo creation 
effort, I feel like the 3.0 version is our only real option for an official 
mascot in line with our team’s spirit. +1 to version 3.0.

Long live pixieboots as stickers on our laptops to remember the earlier times.

-Julia

> On Feb 1, 2017, at 3:38 PM, Jay Faulkner  wrote:
> 
> Of the options presented, I think the new 3.0 version most brings to mind a 
> rocking bear.  It’s still tough to be OK with a new logo, given that pixie 
> boots is beloved by our team partially because Lucas took the time to make us 
> one — but it seems like not accepting a new logo created by the foundation 
> would lead to Ironic getting less marketing and resources, so I’m not keen to 
> go down that path. With that in mind, I’m +1 to version 3.0 of the bear.
> 
> -Jay
> 
>> On Feb 1, 2017, at 12:05 PM, Heidi Joy Tretheway  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Ironic team,
>> 
>> I’m sorry our second proposal again missed the mark. It wasn’t the 
>> illustrator’s intention to mimic the Bear Surprise painting that gained 
>> popularity in Russia as a meme. Our illustrator created a face-forward bear 
>> with paws shaped as if it had index and ring “fingers" down, like a hand 
>> gesture popular at a heavy metal concert. It was not meant to mimic the 
>> painting of a side-facing bear with paws and all “fingers" up to surprise. 
>> That said, once it’s seen, it’s tough to expect the community to un-see it, 
>> so we’ll take another approach.
>> 
>> The issue with your old mascot is twofold: it doesn’t fit the illustration 
>> style for the entire suite of 60+ mascots, and it contains a human-made 
>> element (drumsticks). As part of our overall guidelines, human-made objects 
>> and symbols were not allowed, and we applied these standards to all projects.
>> 
>> Your team told us you want a heavy metal bear, so we used the Kiss 
>> band-style makeup and the hand gesture to suggest metal without using an 
>> instrument or symbol. We tried to mimic your original logo’s expression. 
>> After releasing v1, we listened to your team’s comment that the first 
>> version was too angry looking, so you’ll see a range of expressions from 
>> fierce to neutral to happy. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I’d love to find a compromise with your team that will be in keeping with 
>> the style of the project logo suite. I’ll watch your ML for additional 
>> concerns about this proposed v3:   
>> 
>> 
>> Our illustration team’s next step is to parse the community feedback from 
>> the Ironic team (note that there is a substantial amount of conflicting 
>> feedback from 21 members of your team) and determine if we have majority 
>> support for a single direction. 
>> 
>> While new project logos are optional, virtually every project asked be 
>> represented in our family of logos. Only logos in this new style will be 
>> used on the project navigator and in other promotional ways. 
>> 
>> Feel free to join me for a quick chat tomorrow at 9:30 a.m. Pacific:
>> Join from PC, Mac, Linux, iOS or Android: https://zoom.us/j/5038169769
>> Or iPhone one-tap (US Toll): +16465588656,5038169769# or 
>> +14086380968,5038169769#
>> Or Telephone: Dial: +1 646 558 8656 (US Toll) or +1 408 638 0968 (US Toll) 
>> Meeting ID: 503 816 9769
>> International numbers available: 
>> https://zoom.us/zoomconference?m=E5Gcj6WHnrCsWmjQRQr7KFsXkP9nAIaP
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  
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>> Senior Marketing Manager, OpenStack Foundation
>> 503 816 9769 | Skype: heidi.tretheway
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [openstack-dev] [ironic] New mascot design

[John Villalovos]

Of the proposed logos, I do like the latest version the best. It appears
friendly and fun. So I'm +1 on it.

On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 12:43 PM, Pavlo Shchelokovskyy <
pshchelokovs...@mirantis.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> +1 to Jay, the 3.0 version looks ok - it is friendly and rocking :)
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dr. Pavlo Shchelokovskyy
> Senior Software Engineer
> Mirantis Inc
> www.mirantis.com
>
> On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 10:38 PM, Jay Faulkner  wrote:
>
>> Of the options presented, I think the new 3.0 version most brings to mind
>> a rocking bear.  It’s still tough to be OK with a new logo, given that
>> pixie boots is beloved by our team partially because Lucas took the time to
>> make us one — but it seems like not accepting a new logo created by the
>> foundation would lead to Ironic getting less marketing and resources, so
>> I’m not keen to go down that path. With that in mind, I’m +1 to version 3.0
>> of the bear.
>>
>> -Jay
>>
>> > On Feb 1, 2017, at 12:05 PM, Heidi Joy Tretheway <
>> heidi...@openstack.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi Ironic team,
>> >
>> > I’m sorry our second proposal again missed the mark. It wasn’t the
>> illustrator’s intention to mimic the Bear Surprise painting that gained
>> popularity in Russia as a meme. Our illustrator created a face-forward bear
>> with paws shaped as if it had index and ring “fingers" down, like a hand
>> gesture popular at a heavy metal concert. It was not meant to mimic the
>> painting of a side-facing bear with paws and all “fingers" up to surprise.
>> That said, once it’s seen, it’s tough to expect the community to un-see it,
>> so we’ll take another approach.
>> >
>> > The issue with your old mascot is twofold: it doesn’t fit the
>> illustration style for the entire suite of 60+ mascots, and it contains a
>> human-made element (drumsticks). As part of our overall guidelines,
>> human-made objects and symbols were not allowed, and we applied these
>> standards to all projects.
>> >
>> > Your team told us you want a heavy metal bear, so we used the Kiss
>> band-style makeup and the hand gesture to suggest metal without using an
>> instrument or symbol. We tried to mimic your original logo’s expression.
>> After releasing v1, we listened to your team’s comment that the first
>> version was too angry looking, so you’ll see a range of expressions from
>> fierce to neutral to happy.
>> >
>> >
>> > 
>> > I’d love to find a compromise with your team that will be in keeping
>> with the style of the project logo suite. I’ll watch your ML for additional
>> concerns about this proposed v3:
>> > 
>> >
>> > Our illustration team’s next step is to parse the community feedback
>> from the Ironic team (note that there is a substantial amount of
>> conflicting feedback from 21 members of your team) and determine if we have
>> majority support for a single direction.
>> >
>> > While new project logos are optional, virtually every project asked be
>> represented in our family of logos. Only logos in this new style will be
>> used on the project navigator and in other promotional ways.
>> >
>> > Feel free to join me for a quick chat tomorrow at 9:30 a.m. Pacific:
>> > Join from PC, Mac, Linux, iOS or Android: https://zoom.us/j/5038169769
>> > Or iPhone one-tap (US Toll): +16465588656,5038169769# or +14086380968,
>> 5038169769#
>> > Or Telephone: Dial: +1 646 558 8656 (US Toll) or +1 408 638 0968 (US
>> Toll)
>> > Meeting ID: 503 816 9769
>> > International numbers available: https://zoom.us/zoomconference
>> ?m=E5Gcj6WHnrCsWmjQRQr7KFsXkP9nAIaP
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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Re: [openstack-dev] [ironic] New mascot design

[Pavlo Shchelokovskyy]

Hi,

+1 to Jay, the 3.0 version looks ok - it is friendly and rocking :)

Cheers,

Dr. Pavlo Shchelokovskyy
Senior Software Engineer
Mirantis Inc
www.mirantis.com

On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 10:38 PM, Jay Faulkner  wrote:

> Of the options presented, I think the new 3.0 version most brings to mind
> a rocking bear.  It’s still tough to be OK with a new logo, given that
> pixie boots is beloved by our team partially because Lucas took the time to
> make us one — but it seems like not accepting a new logo created by the
> foundation would lead to Ironic getting less marketing and resources, so
> I’m not keen to go down that path. With that in mind, I’m +1 to version 3.0
> of the bear.
>
> -Jay
>
> > On Feb 1, 2017, at 12:05 PM, Heidi Joy Tretheway 
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Ironic team,
> >
> > I’m sorry our second proposal again missed the mark. It wasn’t the
> illustrator’s intention to mimic the Bear Surprise painting that gained
> popularity in Russia as a meme. Our illustrator created a face-forward bear
> with paws shaped as if it had index and ring “fingers" down, like a hand
> gesture popular at a heavy metal concert. It was not meant to mimic the
> painting of a side-facing bear with paws and all “fingers" up to surprise.
> That said, once it’s seen, it’s tough to expect the community to un-see it,
> so we’ll take another approach.
> >
> > The issue with your old mascot is twofold: it doesn’t fit the
> illustration style for the entire suite of 60+ mascots, and it contains a
> human-made element (drumsticks). As part of our overall guidelines,
> human-made objects and symbols were not allowed, and we applied these
> standards to all projects.
> >
> > Your team told us you want a heavy metal bear, so we used the Kiss
> band-style makeup and the hand gesture to suggest metal without using an
> instrument or symbol. We tried to mimic your original logo’s expression.
> After releasing v1, we listened to your team’s comment that the first
> version was too angry looking, so you’ll see a range of expressions from
> fierce to neutral to happy.
> >
> >
> > 
> > I’d love to find a compromise with your team that will be in keeping
> with the style of the project logo suite. I’ll watch your ML for additional
> concerns about this proposed v3:
> > 
> >
> > Our illustration team’s next step is to parse the community feedback
> from the Ironic team (note that there is a substantial amount of
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Re: [openstack-dev] [ironic] New mascot design

[Jay Faulkner]

Of the options presented, I think the new 3.0 version most brings to mind a 
rocking bear.  It’s still tough to be OK with a new logo, given that pixie 
boots is beloved by our team partially because Lucas took the time to make us 
one — but it seems like not accepting a new logo created by the foundation 
would lead to Ironic getting less marketing and resources, so I’m not keen to 
go down that path. With that in mind, I’m +1 to version 3.0 of the bear.

-Jay

> On Feb 1, 2017, at 12:05 PM, Heidi Joy Tretheway  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Ironic team,
> 
> I’m sorry our second proposal again missed the mark. It wasn’t the 
> illustrator’s intention to mimic the Bear Surprise painting that gained 
> popularity in Russia as a meme. Our illustrator created a face-forward bear 
> with paws shaped as if it had index and ring “fingers" down, like a hand 
> gesture popular at a heavy metal concert. It was not meant to mimic the 
> painting of a side-facing bear with paws and all “fingers" up to surprise. 
> That said, once it’s seen, it’s tough to expect the community to un-see it, 
> so we’ll take another approach.
>  
> The issue with your old mascot is twofold: it doesn’t fit the illustration 
> style for the entire suite of 60+ mascots, and it contains a human-made 
> element (drumsticks). As part of our overall guidelines, human-made objects 
> and symbols were not allowed, and we applied these standards to all projects.
> 
> Your team told us you want a heavy metal bear, so we used the Kiss band-style 
> makeup and the hand gesture to suggest metal without using an instrument or 
> symbol. We tried to mimic your original logo’s expression. After releasing 
> v1, we listened to your team’s comment that the first version was too angry 
> looking, so you’ll see a range of expressions from fierce to neutral to 
> happy. 
> 
> 
> 
> I’d love to find a compromise with your team that will be in keeping with the 
> style of the project logo suite. I’ll watch your ML for additional concerns 
> about this proposed v3:   
> 
>  
> Our illustration team’s next step is to parse the community feedback from the 
> Ironic team (note that there is a substantial amount of conflicting feedback 
> from 21 members of your team) and determine if we have majority support for a 
> single direction. 
> 
> While new project logos are optional, virtually every project asked be 
> represented in our family of logos. Only logos in this new style will be used 
> on the project navigator and in other promotional ways. 
> 
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> Meeting ID: 503 816 9769
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Re: [openstack-dev] [ironic] New mascot design

[Matt Riedemann]

On 1/31/2017 7:28 PM, arkady.kanev...@dell.com wrote:

I think Russian already owns the bear.



^ is my favorite statement of the day. Thank you.

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Re: [openstack-dev] [ironic] New mascot design

[John Villalovos]

I prefer our current homegrown logo. I wish we could just keep using that.

On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 9:40 AM, Jay Faulkner  wrote:

> I concur with most of the other comments on the thread. I have a strong
> preference for our existing mascot, and don’t think the new one is an
> improvement.
>
> Thanks,
> Jay
>
> > On Jan 31, 2017, at 12:49 PM, Jim Rollenhagen 
> wrote:
> >
> > Hey ironic-ers,
> >
> > The foundation has passed along a new version of our mascot (attached)
> to us, and would like your feedback on it.
> >
> > They're hoping to have all mascot-related things ready in time for the
> PTG, so please do send your thoughts quickly, if you have them. :)
> >
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Re: [openstack-dev] [ironic] New mascot design

[Jay Faulkner]

I concur with most of the other comments on the thread. I have a strong 
preference for our existing mascot, and don’t think the new one is an 
improvement.

Thanks,
Jay

> On Jan 31, 2017, at 12:49 PM, Jim Rollenhagen  wrote:
> 
> Hey ironic-ers,
> 
> The foundation has passed along a new version of our mascot (attached) to us, 
> and would like your feedback on it.
> 
> They're hoping to have all mascot-related things ready in time for the PTG, 
> so please do send your thoughts quickly, if you have them. :)
> 
> // jim
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Re: [openstack-dev] [ironic] New mascot design

[Loo, Ruby]

Hi,

I don't like the new one. I think Lucas captured it nicely. I prefer our 
PixieBoots.

Jim, do you remember what our choices are? Could we use PixieBoots?

--ruby

From: Lucas Alvares Gomes 
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Date: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 at 5:13 PM
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Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [ironic] New mascot design

I may be biased to some extent but I don't like it.

The mascot doesn't seem to have any personality. It also looks odd
because he has this straight face while he's doing the sign of horns,
it just doesn't work.

I remember when I first saw a logo related to Ironic in that
presentation that Jay and Josh made in the Atlanta summit (2014),
check it out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Oi2T2pSGDU&t=96s

That's a rocker bear. It has a rockstar pose, it has an expression,
the paul stanley star on his face is pretty cool, it's holding a
awesome guitar, etc etc etc... When I think that someone is paying a
professional to create the mascots that's the level of design that I
expect. Now, the proposed bear doesn't even incorporate the main
elements of PixieBoots: 1) It doesn't look like a rockstar and 2) He's
not a drummer [0] (PixeBoots is a drummer bear!).

I have no problem with minimalist logos, I actually like then a lot
but the idea is to capture the essence of something using a simple
design. This one just looks poorly thought out and simpleminded.

[0] 
https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Ironic#Pixie_Boots.2C_the_Ironic_drummer_bear

Cheers,
Lucas

On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 8:49 PM, Jim Rollenhagen 
mailto:j...@jimrollenhagen.com>> wrote:
Hey ironic-ers,

The foundation has passed along a new version of our mascot (attached) to
us, and would like your feedback on it.

They're hoping to have all mascot-related things ready in time for the PTG,
so please do send your thoughts quickly, if you have them. :)

// jim

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Re: [openstack-dev] [ironic] New mascot design

[Mathieu Mitchell]

See below.

On 2017-02-01 2:37 AM, Pavlo Shchelokovskyy wrote:

Hi all,

this new logo actually reminds me of a wide-spread Russian meme



Thanks for teaching us about this meme.

The new logo has a striking similarity with the meme. Is it possible 
that it was an inside joke / reference to that meme?


That alone should be enough to revisit it.

For the record, I still prefer Pixie Boots to all other iterations.



+1 to Lucas.

+1.



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Re: [openstack-dev] [ironic] New mascot design

[Pavlo Shchelokovskyy]

Hi all,

this new logo actually reminds me of a wide-spread Russian meme

(Warning, might be considered NSFW)

http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/preved-medved-%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%B5%D0%B4-%D0%BC%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B2%D0%B5%D0%B4

Not the best connotation to my taste :-/

So yeah, even the previous design was better :(

+1 to Lucas.

Dr. Pavlo Shchelokovskyy
Senior Software Engineer
Mirantis Inc
www.mirantis.com

On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 3:28 AM,  wrote:

> I think Russian already owns the bear.
>
>
>
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>
>
>
> Hey ironic-ers,
>
> The foundation has passed along a new version of our mascot (attached) to
> us, and would like your feedback on it.
>
> They're hoping to have all mascot-related things ready in time for the
> PTG, so please do send your thoughts quickly, if you have them. :)
>
>
> // jim
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Re: [openstack-dev] [ironic] New mascot design

[Arkady.Kanevsky]

I think Russian already owns the bear.

From: Jim Rollenhagen [mailto:j...@jimrollenhagen.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 2:49 PM
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Subject: [openstack-dev] [ironic] New mascot design

Hey ironic-ers,
The foundation has passed along a new version of our mascot (attached) to us, 
and would like your feedback on it.

They're hoping to have all mascot-related things ready in time for the PTG, so 
please do send your thoughts quickly, if you have them. :)

// jim
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Re: [openstack-dev] [ironic] New mascot design

[Lucas Alvares Gomes]

I may be biased to some extent but I don't like it.

The mascot doesn't seem to have any personality. It also looks odd
because he has this straight face while he's doing the sign of horns,
it just doesn't work.

I remember when I first saw a logo related to Ironic in that
presentation that Jay and Josh made in the Atlanta summit (2014),
check it out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Oi2T2pSGDU&t=96s

That's a rocker bear. It has a rockstar pose, it has an expression,
the paul stanley star on his face is pretty cool, it's holding a
awesome guitar, etc etc etc... When I think that someone is paying a
professional to create the mascots that's the level of design that I
expect. Now, the proposed bear doesn't even incorporate the main
elements of PixieBoots: 1) It doesn't look like a rockstar and 2) He's
not a drummer [0] (PixeBoots is a drummer bear!).

I have no problem with minimalist logos, I actually like then a lot
but the idea is to capture the essence of something using a simple
design. This one just looks poorly thought out and simpleminded.

[0] 
https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Ironic#Pixie_Boots.2C_the_Ironic_drummer_bear

Cheers,
Lucas

On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 8:49 PM, Jim Rollenhagen  
wrote:
> Hey ironic-ers,
>
> The foundation has passed along a new version of our mascot (attached) to
> us, and would like your feedback on it.
>
> They're hoping to have all mascot-related things ready in time for the PTG,
> so please do send your thoughts quickly, if you have them. :)
>
> // jim
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Re: [openstack-dev] [ironic] New mascot design

[Rafael Xavier]

Hey. 

Just missing the drumsticks. 

\m/ ʕ•͡ᴥ•ʔ \m/ 


Regards. 

--- 
Rafael Xavier 
Federal University of Campina Grande 
Distributed Systems Lab 


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Subject: [openstack-dev] [ironic] New mascot design 

Hey ironic-ers, 

The foundation has passed along a new version of our mascot (attached) to us, 
and would like your feedback on it. 

They're hoping to have all mascot-related things ready in time for the PTG, so 
please do send your thoughts quickly, if you have them. :) 

// jim 

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