Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [all] TC Report 18-40

2018-10-02 Thread Dmitry Tantsur
++ that was very helpful, thanks Chris! On 10/2/18 6:18 PM, Steven Dake (stdake) wrote: Chris, Thanks for all the hard work you have put into this. FWIW I found value in your reports, but perhaps because I am not involved in the daily activities of the TC. Cheers -steve On 10/2/18, 8:25

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [all] TC Report 18-40

2018-10-02 Thread Steven Dake (stdake)
Chris, Thanks for all the hard work you have put into this. FWIW I found value in your reports, but perhaps because I am not involved in the daily activities of the TC. Cheers -steve On 10/2/18, 8:25 AM, "Chris Dent" wrote: HTML: https://anticdent.org/tc-report-18-40.html

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [all] TC Report 18-26

2018-07-19 Thread Fox, Kevin M
___ From: Thierry Carrez [thie...@openstack.org] Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 5:24 AM To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [all] TC Report 18-26 Zane Bitter wrote: > [...] >> And I'm not convinced that's an either/or choice... > > I

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [all] TC Report 18-26

2018-07-19 Thread Thierry Carrez
Zane Bitter wrote: [...] And I'm not convinced that's an either/or choice... I said specifically that it's an either/or/and choice. I was speaking more about the "we need to pick between two approaches, let's document them" that the technical vision exercise started as. Basically I mean I'm

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [all] TC Report 18-26

2018-07-17 Thread Zane Bitter
On 17/07/18 10:44, Thierry Carrez wrote: Finally found the time to properly read this... For anybody else who found the wall of text challenging, I distilled the longest part into a blog post: https://www.zerobanana.com/archive/2018/07/17#openstack-layer-model-limitations Zane Bitter wrote

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [all] TC Report 18-26

2018-07-17 Thread Fox, Kevin M
Inlining with KF> From: Thierry Carrez [thie...@openstack.org] Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 7:44 AM To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [all] TC Report 18-26 Finally found the time to properly read this... Zane Bit

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [all] TC Report 18-26

2018-07-17 Thread Thierry Carrez
Finally found the time to properly read this... Zane Bitter wrote: [...] We chose to add features to Nova to compete with vCenter/oVirt, and not to add features the would have enabled OpenStack as a whole to compete with more than just the compute provisioning subset of EC2/Azure/GCP. Could

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [all] TC Report 18-26

2018-07-06 Thread Zane Bitter
I'm not Kevin but I think I can clarify some of these. On 03/07/18 16:04, Jay Pipes wrote: On 07/03/2018 02:37 PM, Fox, Kevin M wrote: So these days containers are out clouding vms at this use case. So, does Nova continue to be cloudy vm or does it go for the more production vm use case like oV

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [all] TC Report 18-26

2018-07-06 Thread Jay Pipes
On 07/06/2018 12:58 PM, Zane Bitter wrote: On 02/07/18 19:13, Jay Pipes wrote: Nova's primary competition is: * Stand-alone Ironic * oVirt and stand-alone virsh callers * Parts of VMWare vCenter [3] * MaaS in some respects Do you see KubeVirt or Kata or Virtlet or RancherVM ending up on this

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [all] TC Report 18-26

2018-07-06 Thread Zane Bitter
On 02/07/18 19:13, Jay Pipes wrote: Also note that when I've said that *OpenStack* should have a smaller mission and scope, that doesn't mean that higher-level services aren't necessary or wanted. Thank you for saying this, and could I please ask you to repeat this disclaimer whenever you tal

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [all] TC Report 18-26

2018-07-06 Thread Ben Nemec
- *From:* Dmitry Tantsur [dtant...@redhat.com] *Sent:* Thursday, July 05, 2018 11:17 AM *To:* OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) *Subject:* Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [all] TC Report 18-26 On Thu, Jul 5, 2018, 19:31 Fox, Kevin M <mailto:kevin@pnnl.gov>

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [all] TC Report 18-26

2018-07-05 Thread Fox, Kevin M
uggoth.org] Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2018 10:47 AM To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [all] TC Report 18-26 On 2018-07-05 17:30:23 + (+), Fox, Kevin M wrote: [...] > Deploying k8s doesn't need a general solution to

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [all] TC Report 18-26

2018-07-05 Thread Fox, Kevin M
Tantsur [dtant...@redhat.com] Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2018 11:17 AM To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [all] TC Report 18-26 On Thu, Jul 5, 2018, 19:31 Fox, Kevin M mailto:kevin@pnnl.gov>> wrote: We're pretty far int

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [all] TC Report 18-26

2018-07-05 Thread Dmitry Tantsur
I think 2 tangents away from the original topic > now. If folks are interested in continuing this discussion, lets open a new > thread. > > Thanks, > Kevin > > ____________________________ > From: Dmitry Tantsur [dtant...@redhat.com] > Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2018 4:24 AM >

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [all] TC Report 18-26

2018-07-05 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2018-07-05 17:30:23 + (+), Fox, Kevin M wrote: [...] > Deploying k8s doesn't need a general solution to deploying generic > base OS's. Just enough OS to deploy K8s and then deploy everything > on top in containers. Deploying a seed k8s with minikube is pretty > trivial. I'm not suggestin

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [all] TC Report 18-26

2018-07-05 Thread Fox, Kevin M
m the original topic now. If folks are interested in continuing this discussion, lets open a new thread. Thanks, Kevin From: Dmitry Tantsur [dtant...@redhat.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2018 4:24 AM To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org Subject: Re: [ope

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [all] TC Report 18-26

2018-07-04 Thread Dmitry Tantsur
es so much contention? Thanks, Kevin From: Jay Pipes [jaypi...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2018 10:06 AM To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [all] TC Report 18-26 On 07/02/2018 03:31 PM, Zane Bitter wrote: On 28/06/18 15:09, Fox,

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [all] TC Report 18-26

2018-07-03 Thread Fox, Kevin M
Replying inline in outlook. Sorry. :( Prefixing with KF> -Original Message- From: Jay Pipes [mailto:jaypi...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2018 1:04 PM To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [all] TC Report 18-26 I'll answer inline, so t

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [all] TC Report 18-26

2018-07-03 Thread Jay Pipes
addon. Thats a problem. I don't have any game consoles nor do I develop software for them, so I don't really see the correlation here. That said, I'm 100% against a monolithic application approach, as I've mentioned before. Best, -jay Thanks, Kevin _________________

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [all] TC Report 18-26

2018-07-03 Thread Fox, Kevin M
ing enough OpenStack to get a self hosting ironic working. Thanks, Kevin From: Jay Pipes [jaypi...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2018 10:06 AM To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [all] TC Report 18-26 On 07/02/201

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [all] TC Report 18-26

2018-07-03 Thread Fox, Kevin M
onder if anyone made it this far without their head exploding already. :) Thanks, Kevin From: Jay Pipes [jaypi...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, July 02, 2018 2:45 PM To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [all] TC Report 18-

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [all] TC Report 18-26

2018-07-03 Thread Fox, Kevin M
From: Jay Pipes [jaypi...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, July 02, 2018 4:13 PM To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [all] TC Report 18-26 On 06/27/2018 07:23 PM, Zane Bitter wrote: > On 27/06/18 07:55, Jay Pipes wrote: >> Above, I was

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [all] TC Report 18-26

2018-07-03 Thread Davanum Srinivas
On Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 1:06 PM Jay Pipes wrote: > > On 07/02/2018 03:31 PM, Zane Bitter wrote: > > On 28/06/18 15:09, Fox, Kevin M wrote: > >> * made the barrier to testing/development as low as 'curl > >> http://..minikube; minikube start' (this spurs adoption and > >> contribution) > > > >

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [all] TC Report 18-26

2018-07-03 Thread Jay Pipes
On 07/02/2018 03:31 PM, Zane Bitter wrote: On 28/06/18 15:09, Fox, Kevin M wrote:   * made the barrier to testing/development as low as 'curl http://..minikube; minikube start' (this spurs adoption and contribution) That's not so different from devstack though.   * not having large silo'

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [all] TC Report 18-26

2018-07-03 Thread Thierry Carrez
Zane Bitter wrote: [...] I think if OpenStack wants to gain back some of the steam it had before, it needs to adjust to the new world it is living in. This means:   * Consider abolishing the project walls. They are driving bad architecture (not intentionally but as a side affect of structure)

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [all] TC Report 18-26

2018-07-02 Thread Jay Pipes
On 06/27/2018 07:23 PM, Zane Bitter wrote: On 27/06/18 07:55, Jay Pipes wrote: Above, I was saying that the scope of the *OpenStack* community is already too broad (IMHO). An example of projects that have made the *OpenStack* community too broad are purpose-built telco applications like Tacker

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [all] TC Report 18-26

2018-07-02 Thread Jay Pipes
On 07/02/2018 03:12 PM, Fox, Kevin M wrote: I think a lot of the pushback around not adding more common/required services is the extra load it puts on ops though. hence these: * Consider abolishing the project walls. * simplify the architecture for ops IMO, those need to change to break f

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [all] TC Report 18-26

2018-07-02 Thread Zane Bitter
iners and get a vastly simpler architecture for operators to deal with. Yes, this would be a major disruptive change to OpenStack. But long term, I think it would make for a much healthier OpenStack. Thanks, Kevin ____________________________ From: Zane Bitter [zbit...@redhat.com] Sen

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [all] TC Report 18-26

2018-07-02 Thread Fox, Kevin M
om] Sent: Monday, July 02, 2018 11:41 AM To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [all] TC Report 18-26 On 06/28/2018 02:09 PM, Fox, Kevin M wrote: > I'll weigh in a bit with my operator hat on as recent experience it pertains > to the current conversa

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [all] TC Report 18-26

2018-07-02 Thread Lance Bragstad
ry heavy for ops. You could tie in K8s's > pod scheduler with vm stuff running in containers and get a vastly simpler > architecture for operators to deal with. Yes, this would be a major > disruptive change to OpenStack. But long term, I think it would make for a > much healthier Ope

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [all] TC Report 18-26

2018-07-02 Thread Chris Dent
On Thu, 28 Jun 2018, Fox, Kevin M wrote: I think if OpenStack wants to gain back some of the steam it had before, it needs to adjust to the new world it is living in. This means: * Consider abolishing the project walls. They are driving bad architecture (not intentionally but as a side affect

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [all] TC Report 18-26

2018-06-29 Thread Jean-Philippe Evrard
My two cents: > I think if OpenStack wants to gain back some of the steam it had before, it > needs to adjust to the new world it is living in. This means: > * Consider abolishing the project walls. They are driving bad architecture > (not intentionally but as a side affect of structure) As lo

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [all] TC Report 18-26

2018-06-28 Thread Fox, Kevin M
From: Zane Bitter [zbit...@redhat.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2018 4:23 PM To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [all] TC Report 18-26 On 27/06/18 07:55, Jay Pipes wrote: > WARNING: > > Danger, Will Robinson! Stro

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [all] TC Report 18-26

2018-06-27 Thread Zane Bitter
On 27/06/18 07:55, Jay Pipes wrote: WARNING: Danger, Will Robinson! Strong opinions ahead! I'd have been disappointed with anything less :) On 06/26/2018 10:00 PM, Zane Bitter wrote: On 26/06/18 09:12, Jay Pipes wrote: Is (one of) the problem(s) with our community that we have too small of

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [all] TC Report 18-26

2018-06-27 Thread Thierry Carrez
Jay Pipes wrote: [...] I've also argued in the past that all distro- or vendor-specific deployment tools (Fuel, Triple-O, etc [3]) should live outside of OpenStack because these projects are more products and the relentless drive of vendor product management (rightfully) pushes the scope of t

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [all] TC Report 18-26

2018-06-27 Thread Jay Pipes
WARNING: Danger, Will Robinson! Strong opinions ahead! On 06/26/2018 10:00 PM, Zane Bitter wrote: On 26/06/18 09:12, Jay Pipes wrote: Is (one of) the problem(s) with our community that we have too small of a scope/footprint? No. Not in the slightest. Incidentally, this is an interesting/amus

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [all] TC Report 18-26

2018-06-26 Thread Zane Bitter
On 26/06/18 09:12, Jay Pipes wrote: Is (one of) the problem(s) with our community that we have too small of a scope/footprint? No. Not in the slightest. Incidentally, this is an interesting/amusing example of what we talked about this morning on IRC[1]: you say your concern is that the scope o

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [all] TC Report 18-26

2018-06-26 Thread Zane Bitter
On 26/06/18 09:12, Jay Pipes wrote: On 06/26/2018 08:41 AM, Chris Dent wrote: Meanwhile, to continue [last week's theme](/tc-report-18-25.html), the TC's role as listener, mediator, and influencer lacks definition. Zane wrote up a blog post explaining the various ways in which the OpenStack Fou

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [all] TC Report 18-26

2018-06-26 Thread Fox, Kevin M
"What is OpenStack" From: Jay Pipes [jaypi...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 6:12 AM To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [all] TC Report 18-26 On 06/26/2018 08:41 AM, Chris Dent wrote: >

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [all] TC Report 18-26

2018-06-26 Thread Jay Pipes
On 06/26/2018 08:41 AM, Chris Dent wrote: Meanwhile, to continue [last week's theme](/tc-report-18-25.html), the TC's role as listener, mediator, and influencer lacks definition. Zane wrote up a blog post explaining the various ways in which the OpenStack Foundation is [expanding](https://www.z

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [all] TC Report 18-25

2018-06-19 Thread Ed Leafe
On Jun 19, 2018, at 12:48 PM, Chris Dent wrote: > > Many of the things that get written will start off wrong but the > only way they have a chance of becoming right is if they are written > in the first place. This. Too many people are afraid of doing anything that might turn out to be the "wr

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [all] TC Report 18-20

2018-05-17 Thread Rochelle Grober
Thierry Carrez [mailto:thie...@openstack.org] > > Graham Hayes wrote: > > Any additional background on why we allowed LCOO to operate like this > > would help a lot. > The group was started back when OPNFV was first getting involved with OpenStack. Many of the members came from that community.

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [all] TC Report 18-20

2018-05-16 Thread Thierry Carrez
Graham Hayes wrote: Any additional background on why we allowed LCOO to operate like this would help a lot. We can't prevent any group of organizations to work in any way they prefer -- we can, however, deny them the right to be called an OpenStack workgroup if they fail at openly collaborati

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [all] TC Report 18-20

2018-05-15 Thread Davanum Srinivas
gt; From: Graham Hayes >> Reply-To: "OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)" >> >> Date: Tuesday, 15 May 2018 at 18:22 >> To: "openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org" >> Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [all] TC Report 18-20

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [all] TC Report 18-20

2018-05-15 Thread Davanum Srinivas
gt; From: Graham Hayes >> Reply-To: "OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)" >> >> Date: Tuesday, 15 May 2018 at 18:22 >> To: "openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org" >> Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [all] TC Report 18-20

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [all] TC Report 18-20

2018-05-15 Thread Graham Hayes
-04-26T15:03:54 > -Original Message- > From: Graham Hayes > Reply-To: "OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)" > > Date: Tuesday, 15 May 2018 at 18:22 > To: "openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org" > Subject: Re: [openstack-dev]

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [all] TC Report 18-20

2018-05-15 Thread Tim Bell
tions)" Date: Tuesday, 15 May 2018 at 18:22 To: "openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org" Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [all] TC Report 18-20 .. > # LCOO > > There's been some concern expressed about the The Large Contributing > OpenStack Op

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [all] TC Report 18-20

2018-05-15 Thread Graham Hayes
On 15/05/18 16:31, Chris Dent wrote: > > HTML: https://anticdent.org/tc-report-18-20.html > > Trying to write a TC report after a gap of 3 weeks is hard enough, > but when that gap involves some time off, the TC elections, and the > run up to summit (next week in > [Vancouver](https://www.opensta

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [all] TC Report 18-17

2018-05-10 Thread Zane Bitter
On 24/04/18 08:35, Chris Dent wrote: The main TC-related activity over the past week has been the [elections](https://governance.openstack.org/election/) currently in progress. A quiet campaigning period burst into late activity with a series of four questions posted in email by Doug Hellman: *

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [all] TC Report 18-12

2018-03-21 Thread David Moreau Simard
In case people have missed it, Jim Blair sent an email recently to shed some light on where Zuul is headed [1]. [1]: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-March/128396.html David Moreau Simard Senior Software Engineer | OpenStack RDO dmsimard = [irc, github, twitter] On Tue,

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [all] TC Report 18-12

2018-03-21 Thread Sean McGinnis
On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 11:24:19PM +, Chris Dent wrote: > > HTML: https://anticdent.org/tc-report-18-12.html > > This week's TC Report goes off in the weeds a bit with the editorial > commentary from yours truly. I had trouble getting started, so had > to push myself through some thinking by

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [all] TC Report 18-10

2018-03-08 Thread Joshua Harlow
Thierry Carrez wrote: Joshua Harlow wrote: Thierry Carrez wrote: The PTG has always been about taking the team discussions that happened at the Ops Summit / Design Summit to have them in a more productive environment. I am just going to say it but can we *please* stop distinguishing between op

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [all] TC Report 18-10

2018-03-08 Thread Thierry Carrez
Joshua Harlow wrote: > Thierry Carrez wrote: >> The PTG has always been about taking the team discussions that happened >> at the Ops Summit / Design Summit to have them in a more productive >> environment. > > I am just going to say it but can we *please* stop distinguishing > between ops and dev

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [all] TC Report 18-10

2018-03-08 Thread Joshua Harlow
Thierry Carrez wrote: Matt Riedemann wrote: I don't get the inward/outward thing. First two days of the old design summit (ops summit?) format was all cross-project stuff (docs, upgrades, testing, ops feedback, etc). That's the same as what happens at the PTG now too. The last three days of the

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [all] TC Report 18-10

2018-03-08 Thread Thierry Carrez
Matt Riedemann wrote: > I don't get the inward/outward thing. First two days of the old design > summit (ops summit?) format was all cross-project stuff (docs, upgrades, > testing, ops feedback, etc). That's the same as what happens at the PTG > now too. The last three days of the old design summit

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [all] TC Report 18-10

2018-03-07 Thread Matt Riedemann
On 3/7/2018 2:24 PM, Lance Bragstad wrote: I tried bringing this up during the PTG feedback session last Thursday Unless you wanted to talk about snow, there was no feedback to be had at the feedback session. Being able to actually give feedback on the PTG during the PTG feedback session is

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [all] TC Report 18-10

2018-03-07 Thread Graham Hayes
On 07/03/18 20:24, Lance Bragstad wrote: > > > On 03/07/2018 06:12 AM, Chris Dent wrote: >> >> HTML: https://anticdent.org/tc-report-18-10.html >> >> This is a TC Report, but since everything that happened in its window >> of observation is preparing for the >> [PTG](https://www.openstack.org/p

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [all] TC Report 18-10

2018-03-07 Thread Lance Bragstad
On 03/07/2018 06:12 AM, Chris Dent wrote: > > HTML: https://anticdent.org/tc-report-18-10.html > > This is a TC Report, but since everything that happened in its window > of observation is preparing for the > [PTG](https://www.openstack.org/ptg), being at the PTG, trying to get > home from the PT

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [all] TC Report 18-10

2018-03-07 Thread Matt Riedemann
On 3/7/2018 6:12 AM, Chris Dent wrote: # Talking about the PTG at the PTG At the [board meeting](http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/foundation/2018-March/002570.html), the future of the PTG was a big topic. As currently constituted it presents some challenges: * It is difficult for some pe

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [all] TC Report 18-07

2018-02-13 Thread gordon chung
On 2018-02-13 11:31 AM, gordon chung wrote: > > > was there a resolution for this? iiuc, pgsql is not supported by glance > based on: > https://github.com/openstack/glance/commit/f268df1cbc3c356c472ace04bd4f2d4b3da6c026 > err... nevermind. it seems https://github.com/openstack/glance/commit/

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [all] TC Report 18-07

2018-02-13 Thread Matt Riedemann
On 2/13/2018 10:31 AM, gordon chung wrote: was there a resolution for this? iiuc, pgsql is not supported by glance based on: https://github.com/openstack/glance/commit/f268df1cbc3c356c472ace04bd4f2d4b3da6c026 i don't know if it was a bad commit but it seems to break any case that tries to use pg

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [all] TC Report 18-07

2018-02-13 Thread gordon chung
On 2018-02-13 10:08 AM, Chris Dent wrote: > > # PostgreSQL and Triggers > > Later in the [same > day](http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-tc/%23openstack-tc.2018-02-07.log.html#t2018-02-07T17:18:56) > > > there was some discussion about the state of PostgreSQL support and > t

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [all] TC Report 18-05

2018-01-30 Thread Graham Hayes
On 30/01/18 18:34, Chris Dent wrote: > > Linkified: https://anticdent.org/tc-report-18-05.html > > Your author has been rather ill, so this week's TC Report will be a > bit abridged and mostly links. I'll try to return with more robust > commentary next week. > > ## RDO Test Days > > dmsimard s

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [all] TC Report 18-05

2018-01-30 Thread Graham Hayes
On 30/01/18 18:34, Chris Dent wrote: > > ## Today's Board Meeting > > I attended [today's Board > Meeting](https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/Foundation/30Jan2018BoardMeeting) > > but it seems that according to the [transparency > policy](http://www.openstack.org/legal/transparency-poli

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [all] TC Report 18-04

2018-01-26 Thread Doug Hellmann
Excerpts from Matt Riedemann's message of 2018-01-26 10:08:46 -0600: > On 1/26/2018 9:57 AM, Doug Hellmann wrote: > > Ideally we would use the time at the PTG to discuss implementation > > details. > > For something like the mox one, there really are no implementation > details, are there? > Th

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [all] TC Report 18-04

2018-01-26 Thread Matt Riedemann
On 1/26/2018 9:57 AM, Doug Hellmann wrote: Ideally we would use the time at the PTG to discuss implementation details. For something like the mox one, there really are no implementation details, are there? -- Thanks, Matt ___

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [all] TC Report 18-04

2018-01-26 Thread Doug Hellmann
Excerpts from Matt Riedemann's message of 2018-01-26 09:38:18 -0600: > On 1/23/2018 12:40 PM, Chris Dent wrote: > > ## OpenStack-wide Goals > > > > There are four proposed [OpenStack-wide > > goals](https://governance.openstack.org/tc/goals/index.html): > > > > * [Add Cold upgrades > >   capabil

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [all] TC Report 18-04

2018-01-26 Thread Matt Riedemann
On 1/23/2018 12:40 PM, Chris Dent wrote: ## OpenStack-wide Goals There are four proposed [OpenStack-wide goals](https://governance.openstack.org/tc/goals/index.html): * [Add Cold upgrades   capabilities](https://review.openstack.org/#/c/533544/) * [Add Rocky goal to remove   mox](https://revi

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [all] TC Report 18-04

2018-01-24 Thread Matt Riedemann
On 1/23/2018 5:22 PM, Chris Dent wrote: if i were to (potentially) oversimplify it, i would agree with this statement: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-tc/%23openstack-tc.2018-01-23.log.html#t2018-01-23T10:12:22 i don't believe a PTL necessarily has to keep the whole state

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [all] TC Report 18-04

2018-01-23 Thread Chris Dent
On Tue, 23 Jan 2018, gordon chung wrote: i love this intro. when does your coming-of-age book come out? :) What, you don't have it already? It's _so_ amazing. i think this probably links back to the issues with openstack-specs. maybe it's because the tasks aren't flashy enough, maybe it's be

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [all] TC Report 18-04

2018-01-23 Thread gordon chung
On 2018-01-23 01:40 PM, Chris Dent wrote: > > (Hyperlinkified for your pleasure: > https://anticdent.org/tc-report-18-04.html ) > > When a person is in early adolescence they get cramps in their legs > and call it growing pains. Later, in adulthood, there's a different > kind of pain when the

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [all] TC Report 18

2017-05-04 Thread Flavio Percoco
On 04/05/17 08:18 -0400, Davanum Srinivas wrote: On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 3:49 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote: Jeremy Stanley wrote: On 2017-05-03 14:04:40 -0400 (-0400), Doug Hellmann wrote: Excerpts from Sean Dague's message of 2017-05-03 13:23:11 -0400: On 05/03/2017 01:02 PM, Doug Hellmann wrote

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [all] TC Report 18

2017-05-04 Thread Davanum Srinivas
On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 3:49 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote: > Jeremy Stanley wrote: >> On 2017-05-03 14:04:40 -0400 (-0400), Doug Hellmann wrote: >>> Excerpts from Sean Dague's message of 2017-05-03 13:23:11 -0400: On 05/03/2017 01:02 PM, Doug Hellmann wrote: > Excerpts from Thierry Carrez's me

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [all] TC Report 18

2017-05-04 Thread Thierry Carrez
Jeremy Stanley wrote: > On 2017-05-03 14:04:40 -0400 (-0400), Doug Hellmann wrote: >> Excerpts from Sean Dague's message of 2017-05-03 13:23:11 -0400: >>> On 05/03/2017 01:02 PM, Doug Hellmann wrote: Excerpts from Thierry Carrez's message of 2017-05-03 18:16:29 +0200: > [...] Knowing what

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [all] TC Report 18

2017-05-03 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2017-05-03 14:04:40 -0400 (-0400), Doug Hellmann wrote: > Excerpts from Sean Dague's message of 2017-05-03 13:23:11 -0400: > > On 05/03/2017 01:02 PM, Doug Hellmann wrote: > > > Excerpts from Thierry Carrez's message of 2017-05-03 18:16:29 +0200: [...] > > > Knowing what will be discussed in adv

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [all] TC Report 18

2017-05-03 Thread Doug Hellmann
Excerpts from Sean Dague's message of 2017-05-03 13:23:11 -0400: > On 05/03/2017 01:02 PM, Doug Hellmann wrote: > > Excerpts from Thierry Carrez's message of 2017-05-03 18:16:29 +0200: > >> Ed Leafe wrote: > >>> On May 3, 2017, at 2:41 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote: > >>> > In the current > s

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [all] TC Report 18

2017-05-03 Thread Sean Dague
On 05/03/2017 01:02 PM, Doug Hellmann wrote: > Excerpts from Thierry Carrez's message of 2017-05-03 18:16:29 +0200: >> Ed Leafe wrote: >>> On May 3, 2017, at 2:41 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote: >>> In the current system, TC members (or really, anyone in the community) can add to the "Ope

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [all] TC Report 18

2017-05-03 Thread Doug Hellmann
Excerpts from Thierry Carrez's message of 2017-05-03 18:16:29 +0200: > Ed Leafe wrote: > > On May 3, 2017, at 2:41 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote: > > > >> In the current > >> system, TC members (or really, anyone in the community) can add to the > >> "Open discussion" section of the meeting agenda, bu

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [all] TC Report 18

2017-05-03 Thread Anne Gentle
On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 2:41 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote: > Chris Dent wrote: > > > > # Intro > > > > Feedback from last week's first attempt at a weekly overview of TC > > activity was positive enough to continue. Suggestions on how to make > > it more useful welcome. Main change this time is that I

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [all] TC Report 18

2017-05-03 Thread Thierry Carrez
Ed Leafe wrote: > On May 3, 2017, at 2:41 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote: > >> In the current >> system, TC members (or really, anyone in the community) can add to the >> "Open discussion" section of the meeting agenda, but that happens >> extremely rarely. I suspect that the 5 minutes per week that we

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [all] TC Report 18

2017-05-03 Thread Ed Leafe
On May 3, 2017, at 2:41 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote: > In the current > system, TC members (or really, anyone in the community) can add to the > "Open discussion" section of the meeting agenda, but that happens > extremely rarely. I suspect that the 5 minutes per week that we end up > dedicating to

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [all] TC Report 18

2017-05-03 Thread Maish Saidel-Keesing
Chris - I am sure that this was said before (I do recall a mail last week on the mailing list after you sent it out). Thank you - this is awesome! A great recap - please continue doing this!! On 03/05/17 0:46, Chris Dent wrote: > > # Intro > > Feedback from last week's first attempt at a weekly

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] [all] TC Report 18

2017-05-03 Thread Thierry Carrez
Chris Dent wrote: > > # Intro > > Feedback from last week's first attempt at a weekly overview of TC > activity was positive enough to continue. Suggestions on how to make > it more useful welcome. Main change this time is that I've added > some information on stuff happened outside the meeting,