Dear All,
Oracle licensing has been a subject that often is risen by somebody.
I though I shall share this with you.
Regards,
Hatzistavrou Yannis
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Thanks Dick.
I like that last quote in the article...
Patrice.
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Patrice,
ANALYSTS: PER-PROCESSOR PRICING TO DIE OUT | SearchOracle.com
As Oracle Corp. prepares to release new
Did Oracle release any info on their licensing changes?
I read something about site-based licensing a couple of weeks ago, haven't
heard anything else since.
There doesn't seem to be anything new on the Canadian Oracle Store web site.
Patrice.
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Patrice,
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As Oracle Corp. prepares to release new licensing fees in connection
with its new 10g database and application server, analysts are
predicting the arrival of a new utility pricing model.
For the full details, click:
Oracle's Software Investment Guide talks about these things, and it's
avalable from Oracle.com . Basically, if a machine can be fitted with
more than four processors (even if only one or two have been placed in
the box), then you have to buy the CPU option. However, if the machine
architecture
Our systems folks are talking about consolidating a couple of machines by using LPARs.
If we have a machine running AIX with 6 processors, can we license Oracle with 2
processors if those are segmented out within an LPAR?
It's always a challenge to get hold of our sales rep, so I thought I
Evidently Oracle is going to build some web pages to spell out licensing
issues and definitions. Wonder how often that web site will need to be
updated. And of course everything will be crystal clear when it's done. ;-)
Check it out...
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,361471,00.asp
Not
Kimberly Floss, database administrator team leader at Quaker Oats Co., in Chicago,
said she hopes the guide helps resolve Oracle's issues. Floss, who manages Oracle
databases, has not had licensing problems herself ...
She obviously has never been involved in any Oracle licensing discussions
, said she hopes the guide helps resolve Oracle's issues. Floss, who
manages Oracle databases, has not had licensing problems herself ...
She obviously has never been involved in any Oracle licensing discussions. Ever
try to get more than 1 Oracle employee to give you the same answer on this
topic
...
She obviously has never been involved in any Oracle licensing discussions. Ever
try to get more than 1 Oracle employee to give you the same answer on this
topic? Especially when it comes to clusters and web servers. Sometimes, even
the simple definition of a user elicits hours of debate
Hi
There have been some postings related to Oracle licensing.
An interesting article:
http://www.sacbee.com/content/politics/story/2219532p-2613285c.html
Witold
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like this
sell or don't. (Hard to say since we want to have the product).
So have to live with it.
Aleem
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Wednesday
Someone posted the original on this topic, which I sort of stayed away from, I
too often on those types of topics put my foot into the mouth. Anyway, the
following came across the wires this morning from Information Week. Some of you
may be interested, me I'm off to do some more with PostGres
Please read the following article and try not to choke...
http://investor.cnet.com/investor/news/newsitem/0-9900-1028-9407413-0.html?tag=ltnc
Pricing change irks Oracle customers
By: Alorie Gilbert
3/19/02 5:25 PM
Source: News.com
A pricing disagreement between Oracle and some of its
Since the topic of Oracle licensing has come up, I'm wondering how
many organizations have site licensing and of what type (concurrent
user, named user, or processor).
We have a network license agreement for a set number of concurrent
licenses and we
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Since the topic of Oracle licensing has come up, I'm wondering how
many organizations have site licensing and of what type (concurrent
user, named user, or processor).
We have a network license agreement for a set number of concurrent
licenses and we are coming
Yup, definetly biased. The last I have in my note book is that NT/2000 cannot
support more than 4 processors without going into a cluster which adds BIG $$$
to the cost. Also adds $$$ to Sql*Servers costs boy does it add to DB2!!
Dick Goulet
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-This probably pales when compared to mainframe maintenance fees.
And don't forget that mainframes also rent the OS for a hefty fee!!
Dave
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Our management has started asking questions about how Oracle's licensing costs
compare to other database vendors. Specifically, DB2 and Sql Server. I think I am
pretty well armed with the features arguments, at least for Oracle vs. Sql Server,
but I really have no clue about licensing and
Re the 22% annual support cost. This is apparently not unusually high.
We were quote a 22% for an application last week. This probably
pales when compared to mainframe maintenance fees.
Jared
On Friday 22 February 2002 06:03, Jay Hostetter wrote:
Our management has started asking
-This probably pales when compared to mainframe maintenance fees.
And don't forget that mainframes also rent the OS for a hefty fee!!
Dave
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Re the 22% annual support cost. This is
Jay - Try this URL:
http://www.microsoft.com/sql/evaluation/compare/pricecomparison.asp
naturally it is entirely biased in Microsoft's favor and I don't see where
it mentions that under Oracle's pricing model, upgrades are included, but
not with Microsoft. Oracle and IBM probably have equivalent
is concurrent per session/connections to the
database.
Although you have 1 userid defined you will not be allowed to have more than
5 users connect to the instance simultaneously.
Regards
$uhen
While we are on the topic of oracle licensing, can someone help to clear up
some doubts on named
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Subject: RE: Oracle Licensing - Concurrent users
Rachel - By Web license, do you mean the unlimited-user CPU-based
licensing?
Thanks.
Dennis Williams
DBA
Lifetouch, Inc.
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Can anyone provide more details on Web licensing? I asked our manager that
negotiates the Oracle licensing and he was only aware of Named and CPU
(formerly UPU) licensing for unlimited users. I checked at Oraclestore, and
it only shows Named and Processor licensing. If we are missing something, I
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Subject: RE: Oracle Licensing - Concurrent users
Can anyone provide more details on Web licensing? I asked our manager
that
negotiates the Oracle licensing and he was only aware of Named and CPU
(formerly UPU) licensing for unlimited users. I
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Subject: RE: Oracle Licensing - Concurrent users
Can anyone provide more details on Web licensing? I asked our manager
that
negotiates the Oracle licensing and he was only aware of Named and CPU
(formerly
Our Oracle rep fully understood that our DB is accessed via our intranet, a
large third party network, and the internet. We were only required to
purchase CPU based licensing. There was no additional Web licensing fee.
After reading this, I am concerned they will be back to discuss more fees.
: RE: Oracle Licensing - Concurrent users
Can anyone provide more details on Web licensing? I asked our manager
that
negotiates the Oracle licensing and he was only aware of Named and CPU
(formerly UPU) licensing for unlimited users. I checked at Oraclestore,
and
it only shows Named
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Subject:RE: Oracle Licensing - Concurrent users
Our Oracle rep fully understood that our DB is accessed via our intranet,
a
large third party network, and the internet. We were only required to
purchase CPU based licensing. There was no additional Web licensing
fee
CICS for Oracle on the mainframe. Even Tuxedo on client/server
has this issue. These transaction monitors act as gates to the Oracle
world. We had to price average usage amount to accommodate our Oracle
licensing.
Hope this helps.
Thank You
Stephen P. Karniotis
Technical Alliance Manager
Computer Services
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Can anyone provide more details on Web
Title: RE: Oracle Licensing - Concurrent users
Maybe it has something to do with whether you post your data to an internet or intranet site. ??
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when
implementing CICS for Oracle on the mainframe. Even Tuxedo on client/server
has this issue. These transaction monitors act as gates to the Oracle
world. We had to price average usage amount to accommodate our Oracle
licensing.
Hope this helps.
Thank You
Stephen P. Karniotis
Technical
: RE: Oracle Licensing - Concurrent users
Can anyone provide more details on Web licensing? I asked our manager
that
negotiates the Oracle licensing and he was only aware of Named and CPU
(formerly UPU) licensing for unlimited users. I checked at Oraclestore,
and
it only shows Named
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Can anyone provide more details on Web licensing? I asked our
More likely how close Uncle Larry is to Bill Gates in the World's Richest Man contest.
Jerry Whittle
ACIFICS DBA
NCI Information Systems Inc.
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From following this thread on Oracles
, February 20, 2002 3:43 PM
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Subject: RE: Oracle Licensing - Concurrent users
Can anyone provide more details on Web licensing? I asked our manager
that
negotiates the Oracle licensing and he was only aware of Named and CPU
(formerly UPU
when
implementing CICS for Oracle on the mainframe. Even Tuxedo on client/server
has this issue. These transaction monitors act as gates to the Oracle
world. We had to price average usage amount to accommodate our Oracle
licensing.
Hope this helps.
Thank You
Stephen P. Karniotis
Technical
recipients of list ORACLE-L
Subject: RE: Oracle Licensing - Concurrent users
Can anyone provide more details on Web licensing? I asked our manager
that
negotiates the Oracle licensing and he was only aware of Named and CPU
(formerly UPU) licensing for unlimited users. I checked at Oraclestore
.
Yechiel Adar, Mehish Computer Services
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Subject: RE: Oracle Licensing - Concurrent users
Can anyone provide more
Nuclear Plant? Don't say Larry didn't warn you:
The Programs are not intended for use in any nuclear, aviation, mass
transit, medical, or other inherently dangerous applications. It shall be
the licensee's responsibility to take all appropriate fail-safe, backup,
redundancy, and other
We have been asked to gather statistics on the number of clients using
Oracle. This is being done to determine if we have sufficient licensing.
We have about 100 instances to monitor.
Has anyone done this? Any ideas on what Concurrent users might mean to
the majority of people?
We have
to monitor new databases on a on-going basis in order for RRD to
comply with Oracle licensing agreements.
Traci L. Rebman
Oracle Database Administrator
R.R. Donnelley Sons Financial
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We have been asked to gather statistics on the number of clients using
Oracle. This is being done to determine if we
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We have been asked to gather statistics on the number of clients using
Oracle. This is being done to determine if we have sufficient licensing.
We have about 100 instances to monitor.
Has anyone done
Smith, Ron L. wrote:
We have been asked to gather statistics on the number of clients using
Oracle. This is being done to determine if we have sufficient licensing.
We have about 100 instances to monitor.
Has anyone done this? Any ideas on what Concurrent users might mean to
the
you need to be careful if you are also using databases whose contents
appear on the web, as Oracle will want you to use a web license
(extremely expensive) even if the data is not directly accessed but
appears on the web in static pages generated from the Oracle database.
--- Stephane Faroult
Thanks for the info!
Ron
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We have been asked to gather statistics on the number of clients using
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We have been asked to gather statistics on the number of clients using
Oracle. This is being done to determine if we have sufficient
licensing.
We have about 100 instances
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you need to be careful if you are also using databases whose contents
Rachel - By Web license, do you mean the unlimited-user CPU-based licensing?
Thanks.
Dennis Williams
DBA
Lifetouch, Inc.
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you need to be careful if you are also using
that's not the terminology they used when talkikng about it with me.
the sales rep specifically said web license which led me to believe
it was another form of pricing.
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Rachel - By Web license, do you mean the unlimited-user CPU-based
licensing?
Our site just went through this, and Oracle determined that we needed to use
CPU licenses. We actually replaced our 4 cpu DG Aviion with a new Sunfire
3800 with two sparc3 processors. The money saved in Oracle licensing paid
for the new equipment. They simply came in and told us
Title: RE: Oracle Licensing - Concurrent users
I too went through this mess (twice). A CPU license gets you unlimited. If it's on the web, they don't like the idea of using an application server that utilizes one connection with internal login/logout capability/security. Why twice? Second
While we are on the topic of oracle licensing, can someone help to clear up some
doubts on named user licensing that I have?
We have an existing 5-named user license for a small oracle 8i (8.1.5) database we
have, but right now, it seems to be restricting the number of user sessions to 5
While we are on the topic of oracle licensing, can someone help to clear up some
doubts on named user licensing that I have?
We have an existing 5-named user license for a small oracle 8i (8.1.5) database we
have, but right now, it seems to be restricting the number of user sessions to 5
Leo,
The named user license is concurrent per session/connections to the
database.
Although you have 1 userid defined you will not be allowed to have more than
5 users connect to the instance simultaneously.
Regards
$uhen
While we are on the topic of oracle licensing, can someone help to clear
I can't seem to find anything clear on licensing rates at Oracle's site
anymore. Maybe it's my eyes, but I just couldn't find it. Only thing I saw
was their claim that they have now changed their licensing scheme to user
and cpu units but I wanted the the rates.
I need to know, besides (or
George:
I'm not a sales guy, so I would definitely talk to Oracle for the most current
pricing/configuration info (as well as discounts).
However, as of the 10/19/2001 price list, the costs are $15K/CPU for Standard
Edition and $40K/CPU for Enterprise Edition. The named user licenses for the
George - To clarify your other question, one reason Oracle developed CPU
pricing was for Internet access. This way you don't need to worry about how
many people on the planet will be accessing your database.
Dennis Williams
DBA
Lifetouch, Inc.
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I understand about how concurrent and named user licensing works for the
most part. What I don't understand is when you have a web application that
gets people from all over coming into our site and then routed through MTS
to be sent to the Oracle database for info. How does the web stuff count
In these cases, Oracle tends to charge by the power of
your server multiplied by the tensile strength of your
shoelace divided by the number of sheep in an
arbitrary pasture plus the total number of hair
folicles on your head then doubled.
Seriously, I've always had best success (in Oz and
Title: Oracle Licensing for a Clustered Server Configuration
Hi,
Does Oracle Corp. require you to buy the RDBMS license for the fail-over server (as well) in a
2-node cluster server environment?
Thanks
Nagesh
Title: Oracle Licensing for a Clustered Server Configuration
Only
if it's active on the fail over node - if it's passive you don't need a second
license.
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PMTo: Multiple
Title: Oracle Licensing for a Clustered Server Configuration
John, are/were you in a similiar
env..
..very curious..coz Oracle is forcing us
to buy a second license for the passive fail-over server ..
Thanks
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Title: RE: Oracle Licensing for a Clustered Server Configuration
Our failover server neither has a standby database nor oracle binaries.
In our Clustered server configuration, when a fail over happens
the entire diskgroups will be de-ported from the primary and imported on the failover
le who had logged in earlier
could work
c) were a pita about sending a new string
you had to shut down production in order to apply the new string.
NOT happy making for the DBA (me)
Rachel
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*Pierce
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*
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*Oracle profit warning spells doom:
*
*http://www.zdnet.co.uk/news/2001/8/ns-21312.html
*
*---excerpt---
* Lowered spending for software has hit Oracle
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*ha,
*
*thank-god they save 1 billion dollars on using there own software.*
*p
As luck would have it I was evaluating the prices of Oracle and then SQL
Server today.
My question at this point is, what kind of prices does Microsoft charge
for support, I was pretending to purchase SQL Server and noticed that no
mention is made about product support.
Using the "Power
Oracle has been riding the concept of "we're oracle so you want to use
our database" for a long while. I'll be one of the last to condone
sql-server(as i've recently had to work with it for a client, and i
talked up oracle for a while) but Mr Larry is losing market share, check
out any of the
At 03:35 AM 3/6/01 -0800, you wrote:
my .02 is the whole power unit thing is a good concept but the $$ per
unit is way outta whack. the only reason i say that is its been hard
for oracle to denote when people were using more than the licenses they
bought were being used. I had always setup the
At 04:36 PM 3/5/01 -0800, you wrote:
You should be able to find it at: http://store.oracle.com
Thanks. It was that simple. [sigh] Shoot me now.
Dennis Taylor
In any human endeavor, once you have exhausted all
possibilities and have failed, there
At 03:00 AM 3/6/01 -0800, you wrote:
As luck would have it I was evaluating the prices of Oracle and then SQL
Server today.
My question at this point is, what kind of prices does Microsoft charge
for support, I was pretending to purchase SQL Server and noticed that no
mention is made about
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At 03:35 AM 3/6/01 -0800, you wrote:
my .02 is the whole power unit thing is a good concept but the $$ per
unit is way outta whack. the only reason i say that is its been hard
for oracle to denote when people
Looking for a job in Oracle sales? This is a pretty convincing argument.
Thanks for the additional info.
Jeffery Stevenson - [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 3/6/2001 10:10 AM writes us:
Well, if you don't want product updates/upgrades for Oracle then you can
knock about $15K off of that $45K for
re: Andreessen says software companies, customers act as adversaries
backgrounder:
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http://www.infoworld.com/articles/hn/xml/01/02/22/010222hnandreessen.xml?p=brs=4?0226mnlv
(url may wrap)
Thursday February 22, 2001
"NEW ORLEANS -- Marc Andreessen may have
My understanding of oracle licensing is that you pay (and pay and pay) for
production, and sometimes test (kind of depends on if you are also using
test as a backup of production), but not for development. So you buy
support, licenses, etc. for the production boxes.
Hence, the availability
; Production, QA, Test and development.
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My understanding of oracle licensing is that you pay (and pay and pay) for
production, and sometimes test (kind of depends on if you are also using
test
, March 06, 2001 2:40 PM
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My understanding of oracle licensing is that you pay (and pay and pay) for
production, and sometimes test (kind of depends on if you are also using
test as a backup of production), but not for development. So you buy
support, licenses
I'm following this thread and a worrying thought has crossed my mind:-
If Oracle carries on with this pricing model, soon we will all be looking
for a new job..scary :-)
Martin Kendall
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Last
Not so far fetched. My company lost several very large clients to DB2 and I am without a job.
Martin Kendall wrote:
I'm following this thread and a worrying thought has crossed my mind:-If Oracle carries on with this pricing model, soon we will all be lookingfor a new job..scary :-)Martin
Yarg! Snarfle! Argh! (sounds of chewing up furniture) For some reason, I can't find the URL that started this conversation. I thought it might be sales.oracle.com, but that doesn't give me the power unit calculations. Can someone help?
At 02:26 PM 3/5/01 -0800, you wrote:
Not so far
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Yarg! Snarfle! Argh! (sounds of chewing up furniture) For some reason, I
can't find the URL that started this conversation. I thought it might be
sales.oracle.com, but that doesn't give me the power unit calculations. Can
someone help?
At 02
Dennis,
I'm sitting in the middle of the East Coast dot bomb area. I know of three
dot bombs that paid a total of $100 million between them for Oracle licenses.
Now that the dot com sugar daddy has been licked clean maybe reality will
strike!!
Dick Goulet
Reply
I doubt it, Oracle will say that their profit margins are too low so they will up
their licence costs for everyone else. Larry can you spell greed.
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Dennis,
I'm sitting in the middle of the East Coast dot bomb area. I know of three
dot bombs that paid a
Last time I danced with our sales rep, power units were per server, not per
user... so the power unit price would be 400*100 = 40,000 for an unlimited (Ha!
at 200mhz?) number of users. If you ask nicely, yours may agree to convert any
concurrent or named user licenses you have into power unit
Title: Oracle Licensing
Dear Esteemed List,
Though I am very familiar with the technical aspects of Oracle, I don't know much about Oracle licensing. I have recently been asked by one of our staff to get more information on licensing. I would be very grateful for any information relating
aspects of Oracle, I don't know
much about Oracle licensing. I have recently been asked by one of our staff
to get more information on licensing. I would be very grateful for any
information relating to this.
Also, is licensing based on the number of OS's or is it only on processers
used/speed etc. What
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