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John-
Just got back from a vacation and saw this... Our jr DBA is
in the process of doing this. Care to
share your code???
Thanks,
Ron Thomas
/07 Tue PM 02:59:55 EDT
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Good point. I suppose this gets into the realm of
perceived response
time. Some applications break long transactions
into several user
interactions to hide the real
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This comment coming from Mladen means something ...
Raj
Rajendra dot Jamadagni at nospamespn dot com
All Views expressed in this email are strictly personal.
QOTD: Any
But what !?
Wedding bells?
Mike
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This comment coming from Mladen means something ...
Raj
Rajendra dot
Perhaps a flashback query would help???
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Wolfgang Breitling
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Unfortunately it's not my ability to see into the future, but an
inability
to see all of the past.
Now what was that I was
: The application. Make it fast.
Me: Define fast.
Customer: As fast as possible. Do it now.
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Date: 2003/10/07 Tue PM 02:59:55 EDT
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Good point. I
-contractors.
I found the paranoia level to be especially high on US government projects.
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Date: 2003/10/08 Wed AM 07:59:24 EDT
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You point out
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Cary,
We are doing exactly that on one of our databases. After hearing _few_complaints that DB is slow (code is not), we enabled trace at level 12 for power users. Now every AM my job is to analyze 20+ trace files that I get and report back.
Once we
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Cary,
We are doing exactly that on one of our databases. After hearing
_few_complaints that DB is slow (code is not), we enabled trace at level 12
for power users. Now every AM my job is to analyze 20+ trace files that I
get and report back
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Or you can look into getting the Hotsos Profiler It would definitely be money well spent!
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Thanks,
I have been using that tool for a long time now, it needs a big tablespace (cause everything is loaded in tables) and puts a load on the server. It is good for smaller files, but takes too long on larger files.
Nevertheless it is a great
found the paranoia level to be especially high on US government
projects.
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Date: 2003/10/08 Wed AM 07:59:24 EDT
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You point out something that I've found
money, and pro-long the life of the contract due to the extra red
tape.
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Date: 2003/10/08 Wed AM 11:24:25 EDT
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I agree that it's common. But it's probably
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Hotsos Profiler will handle it, no problem.
Cary Millsap
Hotsos Enterprises, Ltd.
http://www.hotsos.com
Upcoming events:
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10/28 Phoenix, 11/19 Sydney
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March 710 Dallas
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in this message are
entirely mine and do not reflect those of my employer or customers
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can have facts, having an opinion is an art !
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RE: RE: Cary's Book - new topic
Raj
(and all who use Oracle's Trace
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Good point. I suppose this gets into the realm of
perceived response
time. Some applications break long transactions
into several user
interactions to hide the real response time. The
application still
makes
its
I've got Cary's book for about a week now and I have a comment. On page 12
he defines response time as
The elapsed time between the end of an inquiry or demand on a computer
system and the beginning of a response; for example, the length of the time
between an indication of the end
to ask 10 questions to
get at the one real answer he's after then what good is a fast response
time?
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Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 12:09 PM
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I've got Cary's book for about a week now and I have a comment. On page
12
he defines
Good point. I suppose this gets into the realm of perceived response
time. Some applications break long transactions into several user
interactions to hide the real response time. The application still makes
its SLA defined as 90% of transactions complete in 3 seconds while the
real
A totally different point: How come I see your response before I see my own
post?
At 12:39 PM 10/7/2003, you wrote:
Wolfgang Breitling
Oracle7, 8, 8i, 9i OCP DBA
Centrex Consulting Corporation
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tells me that, when it comes to the perception, all of the
above plays certain role. People tend to be much less satisfied with
annoying and ugly applications and can frequently claim that they're
slow. It's not just performance, it's the quality of the application,
as well. What Cary's book pointed
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Date: 2003/10/07 Tue PM 02:59:55 EDT
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Subject: RE: Cary's Book - new topic
Good point. I suppose this gets into the realm of perceived response
time. Some applications break long transactions into several user
interactions to hide
On Tue, 2003-10-07 at 14:39, Orr, Steve wrote:
So to define response time you must first define response?
Response time is best illustrated in the Man in Black movie,
when agent Kay tells to agent Jay not to ever press that button
(scene in the car). That response time was probably tuned by
Title: RE: RE: Cary's Book - new topic
we do. We aren't 24x7, but we are 5 am Monday through 6 pm Saturday with a 48 hour permissible window IF we declare an emergency and give them 30 days notice if we are going to be down outside of the regular hours (i.e. upgrades... )
April Wells
Oracle
the back arrow or closing the browser or clicking on the
submit button again because they have become impatient with what they
see as no response at all.
--- Wolfgang Breitling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've got Cary's book for about a week now and I have a comment. On
page 12
he defines
Yep, sounds familiar. So there you have your biggest hurdle for the
performance project: getting the business to set measurable targets and
prioritize the tasks that need attention. How do you Work first to reduce
the biggest response time component of a business' most important user
action.
I'm using Method R to post.
On Tue, 2003-10-07 at 15:04, Wolfgang Breitling wrote:
A totally different point: How come I see your response before I see my own
post?
At 12:39 PM 10/7/2003, you wrote:
Wolfgang Breitling
Oracle7, 8, 8i, 9i OCP DBA
Centrex Consulting Corporation
It's called optimization.
Do you really need to see your post? -:)
Igor Neyman, OCP DBA
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Wolfgang Breitling
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A totally different point: How come I see your response
Wolfgang,
Tuesday, October 7, 2003, 2:04:24 PM, you wrote:
W A totally different point: How come I see your response before I
W see my own post?
Sounds like you can see into the future. Would you mind reading the
Wall Street journal and reporting back to us?
-rje
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ROTFLMAO
RF
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I'm using Method R to post.
On Tue, 2003-10-07 at 15:04, Wolfgang Breitling wrote:
A totally different point: How come I see your response before I see
my own
post?
At 12:39 PM
Unfortunately it's not my ability to see into the future, but an inability
to see all of the past.
Now what was that I was looking for?
At 03:34 PM 10/7/2003, you wrote:
Wolfgang,
Tuesday, October 7, 2003, 2:04:24 PM, you wrote:
W A totally different point: How come I see your response before
Actually, something must be wrong with my feed. There are several gaps in
the messages judging from the quoted original, which I never saw, in a
response.
At 03:24 PM 10/7/2003, you wrote:
I'm using Method R to post.
On Tue, 2003-10-07 at 15:04, Wolfgang Breitling wrote:
A totally different
And Jared yells at ME for going Off topic!!! :-D
RF
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Sent: 10/7/2003 4:54 PM
Unfortunately it's not my ability to see into the future, but an
inability
to see all of the past.
Now what was that I was looking for?
At 03:34
fast.
Customer: As fast as possible. Do it now.
From: Wolfgang Breitling [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 2003/10/07 Tue PM 02:59:55 EDT
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Subject: RE: Cary's Book - new topic
Good point. I suppose this gets into the realm of perceived
Title: RE: Cary's book - Rapidly moving OT
We have 5 also. All teens now. Very scary. Braces, learning to drive, starting college. I hope yours were more spred out.
Why? How? Three little girls, that's about right, then Surprise, twin boys. Uh oh.
Wouldn't trade them for anything
Mine are all from 1.5 to 2 years apart. 10 to 18 woo hoo!
Of course, about 1/2 of the available women in the world run yelling when I
tell them I have custody of 5 kids. Since the other 1/2 are married, that
leaves me high and dry! ;-)
RF
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OT list please.
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I look better in a skirt than you do
Hey folks, move it to the OT list, or just keep it private.
Jared
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Sorry
Jared, I responded before I got far enough in the list to see your
post.
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 2:59
PMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: RE:
Cary's book - Rapidly moving OTHey folks
enjoy immensely reading Cary's book, but I have some questions that
I want to ask publicly. Recently, I made a comment about Chris Lawson's
book being a Dale Carnegie book for a DBA and now I see that Cary is
also advising feeding the hungry business users (buy him a sandwich).
It is true that many
Rachel Carmichael wrote:
sorry Jared, I have to tell this story on myself:
at UKOUG in '99, I did a presentation on 24x7 options. I was being very
professional so I was standing in front of the room wearing a skirt,
instead of pants.
I said to the room being a paranoid DBA, I tend to
Sure, I can take it. ;-)
--- Rachel Carmichael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
you REALLY want an answer to that?
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--- Bob Metelsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[snip]
Its funny, I attended the recent NYOUG (Rachael where were
you???g)
I look better in a skirt than you do :)
--- Paul Baumgartel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Sure, I can take it. ;-)
--- Rachel Carmichael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
you REALLY want an answer to that?
--- Paul Baumgartel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- Bob Metelsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Great Britain and the United States are two nations separated by a common
language. - George Bernard Shaw
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Rachel Carmichael
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sorry Jared, I have to tell this story on myself:
at UKOUG in '99, I did
i got my copy too from bookpool.
.need to start reading it.
happy weekend (with cary's book in hand) everybody.
Jp.
30-9-2003 22:54:27, Stephane Paquette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've also picked up my copy yesterday but ...I'm assuming everyone else has
theirs by now and
are busily
I enjoy immensely reading Cary's book, but I have some questions that
I want to ask publicly. Recently, I made a comment about Chris Lawson's
book being a Dale Carnegie book for a DBA and now I see that Cary is
also advising feeding the hungry business users (buy him a sandwich).
It is true
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I enjoy immensely reading Cary's book, but I have some questions that
I want to ask publicly. Recently, I made a comment about Chris Lawson's
book being a Dale Carnegie book for a DBA and now I see that Cary is
also advising feeding the hungry business users
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Date: 2003/10/03 Fri AM 11:49:33 EDT
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Mladen, this is not directed specifically at you, but you have raised
something in my mind that often just irritates the heck out of me.
I often
Sent: 10/3/2003 10:14 AM
Subject: Cary's book
I enjoy immensely reading Cary's book, but I have some questions that
I want to ask publicly. Recently, I made a comment about Chris
Lawson's
book being a Dale Carnegie book for a DBA and now I see that Cary is
also advising feeding the hungry
on to a place where they can be effective.
My opinion, YMMV,
Robert
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Sent: 10/3/2003 10:14 AM
I enjoy immensely reading Cary's book, but I have some questions that
I want to ask publicly. Recently, I made a comment about Chris
Mladen Gogala scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon:
accept a pay cut. So I left. So far, so good. I'm new at the company,
I don't have enough business knowledge in this new line of work and
the company is a well entrenched company with power players whose
roles I don't understand quite
Mladen,
Hard times present problems because people do
not want to pay for a competent DBA but frequently hire a shaman or a
witch doctor who improves on the system based on snake oil type
techniques. If I cannot get more money then some bozo after a
If you know you're better than the bozo
Looks like this discussion is moving into peopleskills-l.
Gudmundur
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That only works up to the point where they are willing to pay. It's sad, but you can STILL get a job with the OCP letters after your name, regardless of what you can or can't do. The idea is that they are paying you bottom line because you have no experience
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education and my life in general. No, until there aren't more jobs, I'll
keep on the safe side. That's the part where crisis and CYA methodology
jump in. I have no solution, but, unfortunately, I don't have
Christ-like qualities that are asked from me in every
Robert,
Well said. I think the problem goes farther back than just us sitting in our
cubes. I hate to stereotype, but there is some truth in saying that 'geeks'
tend to be somewhat introverted, where many in management are somewhat
extroverted. This year's IOUG-A Live was a great example. Here we
Marketing is as much as how you present yourself as it is anything else.
I've seen uncertified and unexperienced guys who could write a resume that
would make you think they could walk on water, reorg, defrag, code in C#,
asp and java all while designing the newest, latest, greatest hybrid
Title: RE: Cary's book
This
is a difficult question that I've had to face more than I would have liked in
the past 2 years. The way to do it is to mark your prices down and say
that comparing bang for the buck, you've got a bigger bang... and maybe they can
squeeze out a better buck
Yes, unfortunately those of us who have had the courage and accepted
the responsibility of bringing children to the world have to sometimes
take the bad with the good.
Well I've brought my share of children into the world, thats for
sure I'd wager I have more than just about anyone
Freeman Robert - IL [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] on Friday, October 03, 2003
12:09 PM
Well I've brought my share of children into the world, thats for
sure I'd wager I have more than just about anyone else here on
Oracle-L
in fact... Anyone have more than 5??
I've six here.
~brian
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Offshore impacts are killers on rates these days... However, It is my
feeling that this will be self correcting in about 2 years when everything
is totally screwed up, and mark my words, things will be. I've seen way to
many offshore projects fail. Big projects will be way over budget, way
behind
Daniel,
I agree 100% with what you said Somehow we must find a way to come out
of our shell. I am among those coming out of my shell is HARD
standing up at IOUG-A, or UKOUG or wherever and speaking to that room full
of people is one of the hardest things I do. I just make myself...
I've spent a lot of my life in highly structured corporate America --
cutthroat corporate.
I've managed not to make enemies, to gain credibility, to make my
issues known, to learn when to fight and when to compromise.
The techniques I used are in the presentation I'm giving at UKOUG :)
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Ooops, did I send private instead of public? Apologies
if so. It's late here and I'm half asleep already.
Just waiting for the flu pills to kick in.
in fact... Anyone have more than 5??
3 here. Only 2 now.
Also, I'm rapidly becomming a single
parent, as
Ah, yes... No kids here, but I do have pet potbellied pigs to support. Anyone
have more than 2?
;)
Dan
Brian Dunbar wrote:
Freeman Robert - IL [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] on Friday, October 03, 2003
12:09 PM
Well I've brought my share of children into the world, thats for
sure I'd
the world around them, or they
move
on to a place where they can be effective.
My opinion, YMMV,
Robert
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From: Mladen Gogala
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Sent: 10/3/2003 10:14 AM
Subject: Cary's book
I enjoy immensely reading Cary's book, but I
Let me clarify things further. In Cary's book, there is a part when
he describes a meeting when a manager was saying things that were
plain stupid and nobody would correct or interject his monologues.
He further ruminates over that not being a proper way to handle a
performance problem.
Well
Freeman Robert - IL scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon:
Daniel,
I agree 100% with what you said Somehow we must find a way to
come out of our shell. I am among those coming out of my shell is
HARD standing up at IOUG-A, or UKOUG or wherever and speaking to
that room full
,
Robert
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From: Mladen Gogala
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Sent: 10/3/2003 10:14 AM
Subject: Cary's book
I enjoy immensely reading Cary's book, but I have some questions that
I want to ask publicly. Recently, I made a comment about Chris
Lawson's
book
7 cats, 3 dogs and kittens on the way!
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Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 12:40 PM
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Ah, yes... No kids here, but I do have pet potbellied pigs to support.
Anyone
have more than 2?
;)
Dan
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Freeman Robert -
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Ah, yes... No kids here, but I do have pet potbellied pigs to support. Anyone
have more than 2?
;)
Dan
Brian Dunbar wrote:
Freeman Robert
On Fri, 2003-10-03 at 12:54, Daniel Fink wrote:
Robert,
training, OCPs/OCMs, etc, but how many of us have taken a corporate
communication class or engaged a business/personal coach?
I've actually taken Dale-Carnegie class. You can judge my success
by my emails. Introvert is one thing I've
Reply is inline.
On Fri, 2003-10-03 at 14:19, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Very interesting and relevant discussion.
A good one for Friday. TGIF.
I see this as an opportunity to make myself more valuable to the
company, and
intend to take advantage of it.
Jared, you are valuable to us,
Title: RE: Cary's book
HEY... I took those classes. Didn't help a wit.
I REMEMBER one of the laws... but it is just SO hard..
Don't criticize, condemn or complain.
April Wells
Oracle DBA/Oracle Apps DBA
Corporate Systems
Amarillo Texas
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 12:40
PMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: RE:
Cary's book
If you can't get through the screeners that say... oh, you
have X amount
with
10-15 years of experience who have opened a book in years and still use things from a
decade ago.
From: Thater, William [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 2003/10/03 Fri PM 02:54:25 EDT
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Cary's book
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OH NO!!!
7 cats, 3 dogs and kittens on the way!
reminds me of Ghostbusters:
Dr. Peter Venkman: This city is headed for a disaster of biblical
proportion.
Mayor: What do you mean, biblical?
Dr. Raymond Stantz: What he means is Old Testament, Mr. Mayor, real
wrath-of-God type stuff. Fires and
:44 PM
Let me clarify things further. In Cary's book, there is a part when
he describes a meeting when a manager was saying things that were
plain stupid and nobody would correct or interject his monologues.
He further ruminates over that not being a proper way to handle a
performance problem
Bill - Well you could get their attention by crashing a hummer into their
building. JUST KIDDING. Actually, I think the book for you might be What
Color is Your Parachute. The system is set up to favor someone with the
right experience and credentials and age. There are many people that don't
fit
Since everyone is jumping on this non technical thread I thought I would
too...
Certainly the first chapter was fresh and brought some aspects of
performance tuning into perspective. Specifically keeping a big picture
perspectivehow true...
in that vein I ask..
Why do we do the work we
, 100% DBA
Lifetouch, Inc.
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Let me clarify things further. In Cary's book, there is a part when
he describes a meeting when a manager was saying things that were
plain
Title: RE: Cary's book
The only way you can look bad to the bottom line is
if what you charge for your work costs more than the business gains by what you
have done/are going to do. If you spend 40 hours shaving 5 minutes off of
a 4 hour batch job that has a 5 hour window to run then you're
training, OCPs/OCMs, etc, but how many of us have taken a corporate
communication class or engaged a business/personal coach?
I've taken several. Citibank was good about training people to deal
with people.
--- Daniel Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Robert,
Well said. I think the problem
it big in the Herbalife business
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Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 1:44 PM
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Let me clarify things further. In Cary's book, there is a part when
he describes a meeting when a manager was saying things that were
plain stupid
In the end... They will remember who you were as a person.
Hmmm... Is there a certification test I can take to prove I'm a real
live boy.
Pinocchio
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Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 1:29 PM
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Since everyone is jumping on this non
Williams
DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA
Lifetouch, Inc.
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Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 12:44 PM
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Let me clarify things further. In Cary's book, there is a part when
he describes a meeting when a manager was saying things
On Fri, 2003-10-03 at 15:29, DENNIS WILLIAMS wrote:
The manager feels awkward in being forced to hire an expert in an area
he/she knows nothing about. Tries to make suggestions in order to flush out
whether this expert really knows anything.
And you call a guy who makes suggestions about
A few years ago being an experienced DBA was a valuable commodity and
we
really enjoyed that. But the managers were very frustrated by having to
search hard for a DBA, pay spiraling salary demands, etc. I think some
managers look on these times as their revenge. What some DBAs see as pay
cuts
On Fri, 2003-10-03 at 15:49, Rachel Carmichael wrote:
I've taken several. Citibank was good about training people to deal
with people.
Navy seals do that as well.
Note:
This message is for the named person's use only. It may contain confidential,
proprietary or legally privileged
Odland, Brad scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon:
Why do we do the work we do...??
because after 35 years of programming, database design and development and
DBA work, when i get to solve the problem in an elegant manor the rush is
still there.
--
Bill Shrek Thater ORACLE DBA
As Robert said...some battles are best left unfought (or at least given
some attention)
Or, as some of us in the Southern U.S. would say:
A dog will whip a skunk every time. But sometimes, it's not worth the
stink.
Gotta love OT Fridays. :)
Brian
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| Brian
management here doesn't believe in time off for user group meetings.
which is sort of to the point of this discussion. They want me to be up
to speed on all the latest, greatest, bells and whistles of Oracle but
they won't give me the time or money for the acquisition of that
knowledge.
--- Bob
Mladen
Well, from the manager's point of view it probably seems like
challenging your knowledge, but that isn't my usual reaction. Just ask my
boss.
But my point is that when the secretary misunderstood you, your reaction
at the time probably wasn't sincere sympathy for her plight. With
I can get the time off but they will not pay for anything out-of-state.
in-state, I have to repay every cent spent if I leave before 365 days of
the expendature. That is if you can get any training approved. I usually
spend my own buck$ if I can afford it.
Ron mª¿ªm
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Reminds me of another reason managers despise DBAs. I would venture to guess
that the better DBAs have a pretty good I.Q. score. Sometimes that produces
a love-hate relationship. They want to hire someone smart, but are irritated
about having a smartie around.
Dennis Williams
DBA
Lifetouch, Inc.
It's definitely time for this thread to go OT.
Thanks,
Jared
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Probably time for this thread to go OT.
Thanks
Jared
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I can smell your house. I have 2 cats.
Bellow, Bambi wrote:
7 cats, 3 dogs and kittens on the way!
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Ah, yes... No kids here, but I do have pet potbellied pigs to support.
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