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are you using a grid at stanford? how much data do they have at CERN?
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work there even for free for some time ;)
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are you using a grid at stanford? how much data do they have at CERN?
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are you using a grid at stanford? how much data do they have at
CERN?
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largest database.
http://www.slac.stanford.edu/BFROOT/www/Public/Computing/Databases/index.sht
ml
But LHC will be larger. This experiment preceded the idea of the
grid.
No doubt, some of the work we have done to share the data among collaborators will be
used in grid computing. We also use
. This experiment preceded the idea of the
grid.
No doubt, some of the work we have done to share the data among
collaborators will be used in grid computing. We also use components which
are designed for grid computing. So I gues the answer to your question is
yes, in part.
Ian
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database.
http://www.slac.stanford.edu/BFROOT/www/Public/Computing/Databases/index.sht
ml
But LHC will be larger. This experiment preceded the idea of the
grid.
No doubt, some of the work we have done to share the data among
collaborators will be used in grid computing. We also use
Oracle has announced 10 will be 10g for grid. Many of us have been baffled
by what grid is, will it be useful in the real world, etc. Here is a short
article on a practical grid application (non Oracle)
http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1104_2-5106230.html
Dennis Williams
DBA
Lifetouch, Inc.
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8i -- I for the Indomitable, the Invincible.
10g -- G for the Great, the Gladiator...
(Sorry never mind.)
Patrice
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Oracle has announced 10 will be 10g for grid. Many of us have been
).
The question related to all these Grid apps is how they are going to
distribute the priorities for the jobs being done. If a general manager
needs something ASAP, then do all we lesser mortals have to suffer?
Oh well ... food for thought.
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DENNIS WILLIAMS
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Nope, sorry. This is a fundamental misconception that many people
share. :)
SETI is a completely different kettle of fish to Oracle's grid story,
using spare cycles on desktops to try and achieve something as part of
the search for extra-terrestrial intelligence (IIRC that's what SETI
stands
Well, they did not come straight out and say we invented the grid.
They did say we can help you to use and manage grid computers and our
software can use the grid.
They will have software to add/remove computers from a grid, clone
computers, propagate changes etc.
Yechiel Adar
Mehish
I know, I know, it's a bit of a stretch, but I think the idea's the same --
subsets of work divided between multiple machines. It's just that distcc is
implemented at a much higher level than what's probably considered grid.
The benefit is that it's much easier to implement. The downside
S Does it mean that a network with 100 computers of 1 cpu each is almost
equivalent to 100 cpu giant computer ??
-ak
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Rich,
That really isn't 'grid', but I think
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Oracle will probably think so with their per CPU pricing.
Jerry Whittle
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S Does
it mean that a network with 100 computers of 1 cpu each is
almost equivalent to 100 cpu giant computer ?? -ak
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Rich,
That really isn't 'grid', but I think you know
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Oracle
confirmed at the road show event I went to yesterday that "pricing will not
change". Let's see how many people are happy to buy 100's of EE CPU
licences :-)
And my
favourite bit? The new OEM is all singing, a
Hello Tom
From my limited understanding in OOW in Paris, the Grid is a BIG RAC, with
options to add or remove servers as you go along.
It can be used for web servers, applications servers, database servers etc.
There is a lot more in 10g that can help you manage also separated
databases.
Yechiel
I would imagine that the perspectice of grid computing
offered at OOW would be somewhat Oracle centric.
Grid computing does not require Oracle - it is, here
comes an overused buzzword, a paradigm shift.
There, I've said it. I think this is the first time
I've ever used that term, and it may
Jared,
Well said. It I believe is a HYPE and NOT a paradigm shift. Heck, look at
from a marketing perspective. If we can't sell you a few high priced computers maybe
we can sell you a lot of cheap computers with high priced, grid enabled (Namely higher
priced), software. End result
Dick, Jared
If you look at the big picture, 20 years ago the idea of a PC with the
throughput of a mainframe was laughable. Not so laughable today. Large
systems use many of the same components as PCs. Whether this means the grid
is more than hype remains to be seen. But I suspect Larry would
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Well, it is marketing hype from Oracle's perspective but the Linux
supercomputing stuff is a reality and grid is not too far from that
conceptually. I supose one of these days, say around, Oracle 15X, they
may actually get it all down.
The show and tell I went too talked about bundled clustering
Some of us here at work have been using grid computing to compile
programs...
http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/distcc.xml
Standard disclaimers apply (e.g. all machines must have same versions of
copmiler, same architecture, etc. to avoid problems).
Rich
Rich Jesse System
and grid is not too far from that
conceptually. I supose one of these days, say around, Oracle 15X, they
may actually get it all down.
The show and tell I went too talked about bundled clustering software,
automagic storage management, automagic sql tuning, automagic automagic.
I suspect
are in the mix, also... Check out:
http://www.savantis.com/product/
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Well, it is marketing hype from Oracle's perspective but the Linux
supercomputing stuff is a reality and grid is not too far
:09:25 PM, Jesse, Rich wrote:
Some of us here at work have been using grid computing to compile
programs...
http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/distcc.xml
Standard disclaimers apply (e.g. all machines must have same versions
of
copmiler, same architecture, etc. to avoid problems).
Rich
Rich Jesse
: Monday, October 27, 2003 1:29 PM
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Subject: Re: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'?
Haven't you ever heard of things like modular programming,
object oriented approach, divide and conquer and alike?
What in the Wall's name are you doing when
Rich,
That really isn't 'grid', but I think you know that.
GC essentially makes a network look like one great big
box, with the cross platform functionality included.
In the immortal words of Scott McNeally:
The network is the computer. :)
Don't know if he said if first. John Brunner
First
feedback is that it is not rac but a step up..
brian
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If this is true, then what is the difference between RAC (formerly Oracle
Parallel Server) and Grid computing? Is this just another fine example of
Oracle taking an existing product and renaming it yet again? they *like*
doing this.
Tom Mercadante
Oracle Certified Professional
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If this is true, then what is the difference between RAC (formerly Oracle
Parallel Server) and Grid computing? Is this just another fine example of
Oracle taking an existing product and renaming it yet again? they *like*
doing this.
Tom Mercadante
Oracle Certified Professional
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If this is true, then what is the difference between RAC (formerly Oracle
Parallel Server) and Grid computing? Is this just another fine example of
Oracle taking an existing product and renaming it yet again? they *like
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Dennis,
I guess this is the crux of my question. My impression was that it was
*not* just another implementation/release of OPS/RAC, that it was indeed
something brand new. I guess I need to wait and see
I have the impression that Oracle has a grid running from Texas somewhere,
that they used it to test 10g, and that they also are using w.r.t the
Collaboration Suite.
In their case, if they can allocate resources like people used to be able to
allocate disk from an NAS to servers that require
Tom
Your perception is correct. Think about grid in very simple terms as a
collection of database servers (clearly there's more to it than that, but
for the point I'm trying to make this makes it easier to understand), and
you'll quickly see that a RAC database can be part of that BUT so can
From what little I know about it, I would say that RAC is simply a piece of the
Grid enabling infrastructure. Grid computing is much larger than just Oracle.
There is no dearth of grid computing literature available on the www.
Simply google for it and you will be inundated.
Jared
resources scattered hither and yon. The answer comes from the fairly
recent knowledge that, in our universe, every particle has a matching
particle; and changing one of the particles results in a change in the other
particle. Well, the solution to trying to shove data all over the grid
becomes
Had to chime in here.
Carly Fiorina put this in simple terms. Grid implementations for most
organizations is a 5-9 year plan and must be started and well thought out
BEFORE you do the work. Larry is assuming that you just change over and all
is well. Larry forgot to mention the capital
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I think the assumption must be that all the computers on the grid are
attached to a SAN. Does that seem reasonable?
Dennis Williams
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I think the assumption must be that all the computers on the grid are
attached to a SAN. Does that seem reasonable?
Dennis Williams
DBA
Actually Dennis is quite correct. Part of the architectural framework is
that you treat disk like a service. All disk storage is sharable across the
enterprise grid you configure. If you have multiple grids in place, you
would have multiple disk architecture frameworks in place. Alternately
on the grid are
attached to a SAN. Does that seem reasonable?
Dennis Williams
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For database type stuff, one must wonder how the data itself can
I was at the Wash DC Oracle conference yesterday and the key note address was about
the future direction of Oracle. It was pretty positive about Grid technology and blade
servers. Anyone out there have any opinions?
It seems like this technology is probably several years away from being used
Here's a recently curmudgeonly reply to a friend that
asked the same question.
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As for 10g itself: the 'g' stands for 'grid' as you probably know.
The 'grid' is really the infrastructure for 'utility computing',
the latest plot to make IT folks obsolete. Personally I see
direction of Oracle. It was pretty
positive about Grid technology and blade servers. Anyone out there
have any opinions?
It seems like this technology is probably several years away from
being used in the business and government contracting world. Most
places you see it are in academia.
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im not 100% certain. I believe has to do with using 'of the shelf parts' to slap
together your own servers instead of paying for expensive ones. You set them up as a
'grid' like structure, so if one CPU fails you can failover to others.
I think thats what it is...
From: Murali_Pavuloori
Ain't necessarily so. We already have some customers using grid technology
with 9iR2 and 9iAS, along with the toolkit that's available on OTN (whose
name escapes me at the moment). These are very high end business clients
(not government or academia) that the Advanced Technology Solutions group
I think it's more than that. I've got a meeting with the Oracle folks
tomorrow for an overview of other stuff, but he did mention that grid
computing is not like Oracle Failover.
It's more like you have a group of servers at your disposal. Oracle has
*not* been installed on these machines
We had Sun's N1 architect here a few months ago to brief us on N1. ( grid)
In a nutshell, all of your servers go in a pool, the administrative software
doles out the resources as needed, simple as that.
Of course, it is not that simple. Very interesting stuff, though I think the current
buzz
Current issue of ComputerWorld has an article on Grid, but I enjoyed the fantastic
cartoon :)
- Kirti
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As for 10g itself: the 'g' stands
The grid is presently at version 1.0, and like any 1.0 release is fraught with
problems. One doesn't just install the grid, but installs several packages which have
interdependencies to the extent that upgrading one will almost certainly cause
failures somewhere else.
I digress
in the other
particle. Well, the solution to trying to shove data all over the grid
becomes obvious: One need only establish central management of the matching
particles that make up the CPU and memory of all the computers involved.
Initially, this would seem to be a daunting task ... until we recall
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For database
So, what exactly is the difference between a grid and RAC/OPS?
The associations that I get when somebody mentions the word grid
are I-95 in Norwalk/Stamford area around 8:30 AM or LIE at the
approximately the same time. That can be used to demonstrate gridlock
computing.
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isnt really that much for a connect anymore. its not that
expensive
to get 10GB connections or more.
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We've been talking of Grid computing here since either
, 2003 5:44 PM
We've been talking of Grid computing here since either late 1999
or
early
2000. The computing for our main experiment was designed before the
Grid
was contemplated. Still we have implemented some of the middleware
needed,
and build methods
atm is obsolete. cheap is relative. i didnt mean its $20/month or comparable to
getting AOL. alot of mid-large businesses have them.
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Hi
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Hi!
It's still quite hard to believe, that it could be anywhere
near cheap. Even building 10Gbit locatl Ethernet is currently
expensive. You would need 16*655Mb ATM
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We've been talking of Grid computing here since either late 1999 or
early
2000. The computing for our main experiment was designed before the
Grid was contemplated. Still we
We've been talking of Grid computing here since either late 1999 or early 2000. The
computing for our main experiment was designed before the Grid was contemplated.
Still we have implemented some of the middleware needed, and build methods of
authentication and authorization, and participated
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We've been talking of Grid computing here since either late
1999 or early 2000. The computing for our main experiment
was designed before
Commoditizing of IT resources, hardware, software, people requires reducing
the level of maintenance and knowledge required. A grid does just that.
The concept of a grid is to still function with the loss of one or more
members and can incorporate new resources easily.
The electrical power grid
We've been talking of Grid computing here since either late 1999 or early
2000. The computing for our main experiment was designed before the Grid
was contemplated. Still we have implemented some of the middleware needed,
and build methods of authentication and authorization, and participated
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We've been talking of Grid computing here since either late 1999 or
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2000. The computing for our main experiment was designed before the Grid
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We've been talking of Grid computing here since either late 1999 or
early
2000. The computing for our main experiment was designed before the
Grid
was contemplated. Still we have implemented some of the middleware
needed,
and build methods
Although I haven't got into the technical details of 'The Grid' (and thanks
for this article - I shall read it), but nevertheless I have a haunting
sense of deja vu. Remember all the hype over distributed computing that
Oracle generated? Remember the key part client-server was of that? Remember
Remember the 'single instance' ?
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Although I haven't got into the technical details
of 'The Grid' (and thanks
While I was cleaning up the other day, I noticed a magazine sticking out of
the middle (sadly, closer to the top) of my still-to-be-read list. The cover
story of Physics Today (Feb. 2002) is The Power of Grid Computing. It is a
pretty good review article on the subject. If anyone is interested
But it sounds so cool! And cool is Ellison's raison d'etre.
Ruth
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While I was cleaning up
In my understanding, Oracle 10 won't support the real grid. Instead it'll
probably a concept of having singe huge database on a huge storage array/SAN
and having a bunch of cheap (linux) servers in RAC which can then distribute
their workload automatically and using service_names mechanism
how different is the concept of a grid from RAC?
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In my understanding, Oracle 10 won't support the real grid. Instead it'll
probably
Don't know more than I wrote. And I even don't *know* that :)
I guess we'll find out in September.
Tanel.
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how different is the concept of a grid from RAC?
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Don't know more than I wrote. And I even don't *know* that :)
I guess we'll find out in September.
Tanel.
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In my understanding, Oracle 10 won't support the real grid. Instead
List,
Interesting news about 10g and IBM's grid computing. When will the
GOTO (Grid Operating Technical Operative) test be comming out? Shucks
I'm still working on 8i OCP upgrade.
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I get DB2 magazine at work, months ago they had an issue about grid
computing and how it was going to be the next big thing in DB2...
Maybe I still have it at home somewhere, I'll look for it tonight.
Patrice.
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Microsoft is the world's largest provider of cluster f... solutions
for the IT. Their OS has spawned $3G industry which has the sole
purpose of trying to secure it. It is about time that they got some
competition.
Mladen Gogala
Oracle DBA
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Subject: 9i Grid voodoo cookbook
(Yeah Tom Mercadante...I agree)
I remember a time when Microsoft was spouting Windows
Hi List
What are the Pros and Cons of the above?. Has anyone in the industry
implemented the above successfully?. Are there any pitfalls / restrictions to using
the above technology?
TIA
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I think you're confusing something here, or maybe that's just the way the
title of your email reads. Oracle has technology that fits in the grid
computing paradigm, and Streams is obviously part of that. But there is no
Oracle Grid product that you can buy that I'm aware of. Have you looked
http://computerworld.com/hardwaretopics/hardware/story/0,10801,75700,00.html
Ian MacGregor
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