I will throw a flame - what is a traditional
midwife and why is this person always without faults and seemingly all
knowledgeable and sanctified. Why should I as a midwife capable ofmanaging
women with induction's, ctgs, multiple iv lines and drugs, catheters, monitors,
ventilated babies,
It is hard to comment on this case and I personally
do not know anything about it, however
4hrly ves are maximum not minimum in normal
labour labourward protocols - so it is not supposed to be at least
every four hours but shouldn't be more frequent than 4 hourly. This is
where some
Dear Abby,
Because midwives work in both capacities here in
Australia: under midwifery guidelines and protocols for women deemed low risk
and under obstetric protocols for women deemed higher risk the waters can be
muddied if you will. I was making the same case as you I think, though
I suggested that perhaps that was one of the hazards of her
profession?
Grr!!!
Jo x
HOMEBIRTH! HOMEBIRTH!HOMEBIRTH!
Do you think there will come a day when the majority of women will stop
putting up with medical professionals bullshit and start trusting
themselves?
I cringe when I
Hi Belinda,
I will throw a flame - what is a
traditional midwife and why is this person always without faults and seemingly
all knowledgeable and sanctified.
I don't think anyone thinks that traditional
midwives are without faults or sanctified, however, I do believe that in their
Hi all,
I am in complete agreement with all that has been said about the risks of ARM's in normal labour. But a few cases came to mind where I think that the ARM's were appropriate. To condense:
* awoman admitted at 23+ weeks with APH and incompetent cervix. Made it to 28+ weeks, had a rapid
Abby, could I ask where you are studying midwifery???
I've read a fair bit about 'wise' women, don't romanticise some half-forgotten
past. Don't idealise a model of training and education that isn't open
to the scrutiny and evaluation of all its stakeholders. To talk about traditionally
trained
Yikes, just re-read this. In the paragraph below where I invoke
Shakespeare, the rose I am refering to is the generic but critical
midwife, not the lovely Nicky, who could rightly be called a rose, but
not in the context below. Nicky is very respectful of her midwife
colleagues. Trish
Trish David
There is such a wide variation about how
people are trained. I feel pretty lucky to have has midwifery training and then
apprenticed with a group of midwives. I worked for about 18 more months as the
apprentice. This was a fantastic time. One of the women who inspired me (Hi
Annie Pop)
Hi Abby,
I have spoken to a woman who ruptured
after a very natural homebirth. It
can happen even when all seems to be going well and no intervention has
occurred fortunately she was okay although it was touch and go at one
stage. She can no longer have
children. I know
Hi Trish,
Abby, could I ask where you are studying midwifery???
I'm not studying midwifery, nor did I say that I was. I do know quite a few
students and midwives and have had numerous discussions with them about what
they do and don't learn.
I've read a fair bit about 'wise' women, don't
I have spoken
to a woman who ruptured after a very natural homebirth. It can happen even when all seems to be
going well and no intervention has occurred fortunately she was okay although
it was touch and go at one stage.
She can no longer have children. I know midwives(independent) who
There is such a
wide variation about how people are trained. I feel pretty lucky to have has
midwifery training and then apprenticed with a group of midwives. I worked for
about 18 more months as the apprentice. This was a fantastic time. One of the
women who inspired me (Hi Annie Pop) told
ral I am speaking).
H.haven't written an essay in a while!
lol
Please don't misunderstand me. I am not trying to
say an "us and them" kind of thing. I think it is sad that there is that, but
it is the system I am against, not midwives.
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Abby, if I didn't think I was trying to impart a degree of wisdom, and
assist students to find their own wisdom, together with the women (heard
of the follow-through experience???) and the lovely midwives in
hospitals who assist them with onsite learning, and the VERY occassional
homebirth midwife
As a current Bachelor of Midwifery (aka direct entry)student, I can tell you a little bit about my course.
I think everybody here agrees that there is no such thing as the perfect woman, the perfect midwife, or the perfect midwifery course. That said, I can promise you all that we have learnt
, really. Too hard, too painful. Trish
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LOL Jen, there are sometimes i just can't be
quiet!
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I agree with you Kirsten (in Darwin)!! Trish, go nowhere! You are an amazing
midwife/teacher/mentor/spokeswoman, and as one of your students, I don't feel as
though I could ask for a rounder or more balanced perspective from someone teaching
me. I think I will make a good midwife one day, in
Hi Trish,
Abby, if I didn't think I was trying to impart a degree of wisdom, and
assist students to find their own wisdom, together with the women (heard
of the follow-through experience???) and the lovely midwives in hospitals
who assist them with onsite learning, and the VERY occassional
Further
to the ARM discussion whether we like it or not some women will ask for
ARM knowing all too well that it does significantly shorten labour!!! The full
review is available on the Cochrane website.
lisa
Amniotomy for
shortening spontaneous labour
Fraser WD, Turcot L, Krauss I,
Hi,
Wondering if any of you know if chickenpox can be carried by someone that
doesn't actually have the virus? I am sure there is a word for this but I
don't know what it is.
My dd has chickenpox, we are pretty sure, and I have a client who could call
at anytime. Wondering if you think it is
Many of the skills we learn don't
come from the uni itself, it's when we are on clinical placements and with our
follow thru woman that we learn the most. I am forever indebited to the woman
who have allowed me to be with them and to the amazing midwives who offer their
advice and support.
If you have had it then you can work with women, you should be immune now
this is the hospital policy at wch
Belinda
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Further
to the ARM discussion whether we like it or not some women will ask for ARM
knowing all too well that it does significantly shorten labour!!! The full
review is available on the Cochrane website.lisa
Thanks
for that Lisa. In all the info I had read and been taught, the average was
Abby
I know of a woman who ruptured her uterus
during a spontaneous, unaugmented, un-induced, un-ARM ed, normal VBAC labour!
And it was partially due to the skill of the midwife who recognised the subtle
changes in the maternal pulse, pain level etc prior to the catastrophic
decrease in
Anyway, I hope my current perspective as a student is helpful.Jen
3rd year BMid, Melbourne
Thanks Jen for sharing. It is such a shame that
there is not the opportunity for practice of the theory you are learning. I was
just recently talking to a friend about that. She had brought it up
The system is
not perfect and in many cases is abhorrent, but comments such as yours makes one
wonder why one bothers at all!
How far does it go when
we discuss the traditional midwife? Are we all to be walking around drunk,
with warts on our noses?! Sorry couldnt help that!!
Hi All,
I am interested to hear what those midwives who attend homebirths do in
regard to group B strep. Do you screen for it or not? If you know a woman is
GBS positive do you give A/Bs to the mother during labour or just observe
the baby?
Thanks,
Leanne.
Leanne Wynne
Midwife in charge of
Abby I must agree with Trish, those of us working within the system instead
of criticizing from afar do get offended and defensive when such broad
statements about midwives and midwifery education are made that are so
negative.
We all on this site, I would argue, believe in the rights of women,
If you have had it then you can work with women, you should be immune now
this is the hospital policy at wch
Belinda
Thanks for that Belinda. It's especially good to hear of hospital policy as
I am sure most would have the same policy.
I was pretty definite that I couldn't carry it, just
I do not screen women unless they want me to, but then no one has wanted me
to after we have discussed the literature. If there is no prolonged rupture
of membranes or problems I don't do anything in particular, I believe the
best person to observe the baby is the mother who stares at her/him for
Hi there list and especially megan,
I also performed my own VE's in labour with my 2nd,
3rd and 4th sons. I was in the water and felt the need
to have a tangible focus for my own progress. I told
my midwife and she suggested I check for myself. I
distinctly remember with Sam (no. 2) feeling a
Belinda,
This comment of yours really struck a chord with me - I'm glad it has been put out
there!
I would also have to argue that many women out there who do not
experience the type of birth we desire or see as wonderful and achievable do
not see themselves as victims of an uncaring
Lovely, Miriam. I also encourage student midwives to feel their own
cervix, to chart their own patterns of sexual responsiveness across
their cycle, and to smell and observe their menstrual loss, etc in
preparation for the intimate encounters they will have with women. This
is empowering as well
To be honest, I would be very worrisome
about an independent midwife whose clients have a 12% rupture rate.
Hi Abby,
I am sorry I wasnt very clear - I didnt mean the independent
midwife had that rate, rather that is the rate she mentioned to me that she has
heard of. Often you
It must be the fact that I have been so ill and ordered not to speak for
a week that has made me so vocal on the list the last week or so
Don't worry, the voice is returning and I'll be back at work tomorrow.
In the meantime, does anyone have knowledge of a midwifery conference in
Canada next
Hi everyone,
As you all know there has been a problem
with virus emails being sent to the list
from an email account belonging to one of
the list members. Unfortunately, someone
has been fraudulently using this email
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Natalie and I have been corresponding to
Midwifery students, looking for midwifery model experience? Try applying to the Mackay
Birth Centre. PO Box 5580 Mackay Mail Centre, 4740.
We offer limited student placements. Students must be prepared to come for 4 weeks and
be on call during that time. We are a small Birth Centre booking 14-16
Kirsten wroteAs for the debate on
VE's etc, just because we learn something does not mean we will all go out and
perform them every 5 minutes! There are many skills taught to us that could be
seen as unnecessary interventions, why as Andrea Robertson in the Midwife
Companion ( love this
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that problem. I think that hospitals, interventions and all that stuff are
WONDERFUL for life saving, IF, not when, it comes up.
I don't believe that just because a woman asks for
something then it should be given, I don't believe that is empowering to women
or appropriate as a c
I would also have to argue that many women out there who do not experience
the type of birth we desire or see as wonderful and achievable do not see
themselves as victims of an uncaring system. I would have to say that many
of the women in my study would be pissed off if you categorised them as
Abby, as a Mum, Consumer Doula I appreciate
very much the fact that the midwives on this list allow us to be part of their
discussions. I believe that they are just as interested in our perspectives as
they are those of their colleagues. What seems to be happening Abby is that you
are
We haven't had any BMid students yet.
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