[ozmidwifery] triplets

[Emily]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060618/ap_on_re_mi_ea/darfur_hungry_babiesthis is a really sad story for a lot of reasons   
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Re: Re: [ozmidwifery] ctg stuff

[Emily]

hi all   i have just finished the 'obstetrics' term of my course and over the 9  weeks i repetitively brought up my disgust with the use of CTGs against  all the very high quality evidence that is out there against them, that  noone refutes they just ignore. the wonderful obstetrician who was my  supervisor (only one ive ever met that i like) agreed and said it is  only collective inertia and fear that has led to everyone still using  it. the fact that it has sneakily become the best practice standard. in  the big cochrane review on the subject the only benefit seen was a  reduction in neonatal seizures seen in the CTG group. this was used as  evidence that it may reduce the incidence of cerebral palsy in this  group also. actually, there was follow up studies done on all the  studies included in the review some years later and it actually showed  no difference in cerebral palsy rates in most studies. one study  amazingly actually showed a higher rate of cerebral palsy
 in the CTG  group !! this has been conveniently forgotten. CTGs are still sold to  women as being a safety net to prevent cerebral palsy despite the fact  that there is absolutely no evidence whatesoever of this being the case  all that remains to be the benefit of CTGs is for care providers. it  makes many people feel safe to have a neat little print off documenting  what has been happening. the other thing is that apparently in the  court system, parents can only be 'compensated' if a no fault verdict  is made and that requires a CTG.   anyway i wrote a huge article about this titled 'the irony of obstetric  risk analysis' and handed it in with my end of term work. i am  waiting with bated breath to hear the feedback and whether i will fail  for being so blatently anti-obstetrics to my obstetric supervisors!!!  but i figured theres less harm saying it all now, on my way out :)  the reason im writing this is that the (good) obstetrician wants me to  put
 together my views on social inductions and social elective caesars  and how we should respond to women who sometimes demand these things  and whether it is ethical to refuse. im really struggling with it  because if we all always say inform and then follow the mothers wishes,  what right do we have to refuse this? it is often for what i see as  ridiculous reasons (ie the woman recently who demanded an induction so  she wouldnt birth on 6/6/06 and threatened to kill herself if we didnt)  but who am i to judge women's choices like others judge  non-interventionalist choices?  id love to know everyones thoughts on this onelove emily 
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Re: Re: [ozmidwifery] ctg stuff

[Emily]

www.joyousbirth.info Susan Cudlipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  What is the JB website please?  Sue  "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do   nothing"Edmund Burke  - Original Message - From: Janet Fraser To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 10:26
 AMSubject: Re: Re: [ozmidwifery] ctg stuffI'd love a copy of that for the JB website, Emily, if you'd like to share and I'd love all your refsWhat you're describing in terms of "maternal choice" really needs a feminist critique to allow us to manage those "choices" in ways which are not harmful to women. Since induction and elec. c-secs are innately harmful, causing physical and emotional trauma to previously healthy women, we need to stop ranking all these "choices" as somehow equal. Surgery for no reason is no more
 healthy than formula feeding for no reason yet most of us struggle to work out what to do with cases where women request interventions with no medical need. I cannot support choices which are at heart harmful to women and babies in exactly the same way as I cannot support women to lie down in the middle of the highway despite it being their "choice" so to do. If surgeons weren't setting the agenda, we wouldn't perceive these interventions as normal and healthy. (Thecrap that so many Obs talk to make VB sound like a risky, dangerous, illinformed choice!)Lots of work to do there! You'd really benefit in this from the recent MASSIVE discussions on JB around choice and what many of us feel is more important still - maternal control.J  No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free
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RE: [ozmidwifery] How long before synto is used?

[Emily]

u would think so but ive actually seen quite a few women in my limited  experience come in saying they 'thought' their waters had broken and it  turned out to be just a bit of extra vaginal discharge.. the one i hate  is 'are you sure you havent wet yourself?' i actually saw an ob ask a  woman this during 2nd stage, while pushing!! her waters broke with a  huge pop and sprayed all over me in my position across the room as i  walked past and the ob said 'do you think you might be doing a wee?'  err no!   i think the difference is women who come in and say 'my waters have  broken' they usually have, but if they havent women arent always sure  and are more likely to say 'i think they might have, im not sure i just  wanted to come in to make sure' and things like that   if that makes sense :)I always find it amazing that what is  happening to a woman’s body (i.e SROM) is not believed and that she has  to go in for ‘confirmation’. Surely the woman would know and wouldn’t  need it confirmed - so the hosp needs evidence because women can’t be  trusted to tell the truth. Gggrr! The more I read about this the more frustrating  it gets.I supported at a homebirth last year where  SROM occurred at 36 weeks, mum new that midwife wouldn’t deliver at home  before 37 weeks. Got checked at hosp, signed herself out (they wanted her to  stay until labour started and to birth there) bed rest for 8 days –  constant water trickling – 37 +1 labour started – 4 hours,  beautiful healthy baby born in lounge room. Times, clocks, protocols, policies, it’s  all a load of rubbish.JoFrom: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of sally @ home  Sent: Thursday, 15 June 2006 11:10  AM  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] How  long before synto is used?We wait up to 96 hours. If a woman rings with ?pre-labour  SROM, we ask them to attend the unit for confirmation, either by history  (checking
 pads) or spec if it looks inconclusive. We do an abdo palp, CTG then  send her home with antibiotics to be commenced 18 hours after ROM. We ask to  attend the unit daily for CTG. Usually the women will go into spontaneous  labour but if they haven't by the 96 hours they come in for synt infusion.Sally   
 - Original Message - From: Kelly @  BellyBelly To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, June 15,  2006 7:28 AMSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery]  How long before synto is used?How frustrating then, that of the births I  have been to, when there has been an ARM to induce labour, mum gets pressure  for the drip after an hour, then they keep coming back in at periodic intervals  of 30mins-1hr with more pressure for synto! It’s a fight to keep them  away! So would it be fair for a mum having an ARM to ask to have her waters  broken and then go home, or will they not allow this? I get the impression that  they want to keep you in, as I have asked many times if we can get out for a  walk and the only thing you can do is walk the ward, and not leave it. Very  frustrating if you are trying to get things going, as mum ends anxious about  the whole thing especially when you have such an unrealistic time frame to get  things going! Obviously some cases are different; I have  seen ARM for things like post-dates baby, twins, and the recent one where there  was cholestasis involved, which of course makes it different but frustrating  when you don’t have much info about, I think I need a good midwifery text  or something similar as even on the internet mum found it hard to get any good  information. She was only borderline for cholestasis, but the doctors were  scaring her about what *could*  happen and how they just don’t understand the condition well enough. She  had the drip up after only 2 hours despite regular 30 second contractions that  were progressing. Just an assumption, but if they are worried about baby  getting stressed
 from the labour – wouldn’t the induced labour be  more likely to stress baby? And the fact mum couldn’t cope with the  contractions as well and then had peth? The labour went quite quickly and it  was all over in a few hours. Best Regards,Kelly Zantey  Creator, BellyBelly.com.au   Gentle Solutions From Conception to Parenthood  BellyBelly Birth Support  - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-supportFrom: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au  [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au]  On Behalf Of Debbie Slater  Sent: Thursday, 15 June 2006 12:05  AM  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au  Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] How  long before synto is used?The UK’s NICE guidelines inherited from the UK’s  Royal College of Obs and Gynea suggest that it is fine to leave pre-labour  rupture of 

Re: [ozmidwifery] How long before synto is used?

[Emily]

i guess all you can do is educate each woman about how it is protocol  to use CTG but tell her about the evidence that shows it to be of no  benefit while increasing c/s and instrumental delivery rates and how it  will reduce her mobility, positions possible, water usage, comfort etc  etc and then ask for her decision on what type of monitoring she would  like. then it is quite legitimate to record in the notes that they have  refused consent for CTG. Bowman Family [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Our Syntocinon procedure has been updated to include routine EFM. this hasapparently been routine in major hospitals for a long time and accepted bymidwives in these units as being the best practice.I have unfortunately accepted this practice too - but feel saddened with therisk for midwives losing valuable skills by relying
 on CTG's instead oftruly being With Woman". and assessing the labour with sonicaid andpalpation of contractions and of course observing the woman.There is an increased risk of busy midwives assessing a woman's labour byCTG alone - not having the time to truly know the whole picture a bitscary!!.In our unit where we have caseload midwifery we have the time to stay withwomen in labour and be tuned into the progress of labour and the baby'swellbeing. I really still do not see the need in these situations to have torely on CTG, I would rather any day to rely on a good midwivery care/skills.If there is any concern about the FH sure then use EFMAlso woman will no longer have freedom of movement, and baths, but this willno longer be the case with compulsory continuous EFM for all SyntocinonInductions.  I can see Caesarians yet further on the increase at ourhospital.Linda- Original Message - From:
 "Janet Fraser" To: Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 1:05 PMSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] How long before synto is used? Amy your story is truly appalling and also totally normal in the system.How anyone can "refuse" your requests is disgusting! EFM does NOT save lives,it just increases c-sec rates. How about birthing with evidence based care at home if you have another baby? As Diana Korte says, if you don't want interventions, don't go where they're done ; ) I hope you recover well from your awful brush with the drug pushing and unnecessary intervention. I wish it were not the norm but it clearly is! J - Original Message -  From: "adamnamy"  To:  Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 11:49 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] How
 long before synto is used?   This is really pertinent thread for us mothers on the list...it seems an  issue about which there are no clear guidelines which makes it reallyhard  for women who are attempting to be in charge of their own labors.  They  don't even know what sort of time frame they will have in which to relax  into labor without pressure and threat of synto.  I recently gave birthin  our major hospital, by ARM (2nd birth, Hx of fast labor, 2cms dilated,36  weeks but with cholestasis and very worried about that).  I wasextremely  keen to avoid synto/EFM and all the other nasty possibilities.   I asked over and over for some clear indication of how long they would give  me to progress into labor with out synto but was not given one.  Withinan  hour of ARM I was
 being asked very regularly if I had contractions, with  frowns and talk about synto every time I said "not much happening".  I  wonder how it might have panned out had I not been hassled every step of the  way...It only served to increase my anxiety 20 fold.  We managed to hold  them off for 6 hours before it went up and the flogging of the bodybegan.  It is just a revolting drug that should be avoided unless strictly  necessary.  The labor was nothing short of torturous and degrading (I am  sure you have all seen it in action).   I also wonder if it was the unrelenting intensity of the contractionsthat  forced my bub into a posterior, deflexed position within an hour of  established labor.  Being hooked up to EFM doesn't help with keeping mobile  either.  I am not a midwife-Could there be any truth in that
 idea?   Anyway...I thought I had negotiated to switch it off once labor hadbegun  but lo and behold...a change of shift and the next midwife refused.  I ended  up switching it off myself-to her utter bewilderment.  This was an actof  desperation which left me quite compromised with her because our  relationship became quite frosty and unpleasant after this.  I felt likeI  lost her support when I took the reigns and bucked against hospital  protocol.  It was like I had offended her...that she felt compromised by me  asserting myself.   If I ever needed to follow the same course of action I would have theARM  and then get myself home ASAP for labor to start itself.  I feel asthough  getting my baby out and the room prepped for the "next customer" was as much  of a
 priority as my wishes to keep my labor and birth low key...I don't  know, am I an eternal cynic?   Bub calls, I have to go...   Amy -Original 

[ozmidwifery] new idea article again

[Emily]

Hican the person who posted that new idea article a few weeks back about c/section vs vaginal birth send it again please? You can send off list to [EMAIL PROTECTED]Thanks so much, i just need it for a uni assignmentRegardsEmily __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com 

Re: [ozmidwifery] degrees of high BP in preg

[Emily]

hi everyoneyou have to be careful using just a rise in BP because of the physiological drop in BP in the middle trimester. if the 'booking' or first BP you take from a woman is in the mid trimester then you will see a big jump in the 3rd trimester - without it necessarily being pathological. ive been taught greater than or equal to 140/90 (either or both numbers) taken on two occasions at least a few hours apart (and of course at a 45 degree angle, taken by the same person and on the right arm) is cause for further investigation. if you have a pre-pregnancy BP then it would be useful to look at the individual rise for that woman but if you only have a mid trimester one it can be really misleading and freak a whole lot of women out for no reasonlove emilyLynne Staff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   I was always taught (and have also found in  experience) that it is the amount that the BP increases overa  woman'snormal level that is important - not whether it is over 95-100. A  woman might normally have a diastolic of 65, but if it increases by 15-20 mmHg,  then sheis asked to watch for other signs, and her urine is checked  and also bloods if increase continues. The first eclamptic seizure I ever was  witness to was a woman who had a diastolic of 75 (normally 50mmHg). She had been  complaining of a pain in her stomach and because she had a recent past history  of gastric ulcer, it was assumed that this was the cause of her pain. I arrived  on ND to BS hear an odd rattling sound. It was one of the old metal beds and she  was having a major seizure. Regards, Lynne- Original Message -From:brendamanningTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au   Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 10:09PM   Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] degrees ofhigh BP in preg  There issomevariation here... but this week ..a diastolic over /90 is watchable anything over100 treatable.  Could be different nextweek   With kind regardsBrenda Manning www.themidwife.com.au- Original Message -  From:  Kristin  Beckedahl  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au   Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 8:41  PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] degrees of high  BP in
 preg   wise women... At what point does high  blood pressure become an issue in preg? what is a 'normal' reading for  a healthy preg woman? What reading is considered 'high-risk' or  requiring action (without proteinuria)...? Big  thanksFrom: Andrea Quanchi [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To:ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auTo:ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject:Re: [ozmidwifery] students  learningDate: Thu, 1 Jun2006 19:57:06 +1000If the woman invites the student to bethere and the MIPP is happy what prevents them from being there.Surely we are letting them know  what the real world is like andthe reality is that MIPP are working uninsured and having to copewith what that means in reality. This is no different from when Iattend a hospital with a woman and the hospital says that theyonly recognise me as a support person. I could let that stop mefrom going there but I don't. If students want to be at hom birthsthey will, they will learn heaps and if they cant write
 it down onpaper for the uni then dont but dont let it stop them fromattending because the experience is to valuable towaste.Andrea QuanchiOn 01/06/2006, at 7:03 PM, Stephen Felicity wrote:I think perhaps you women are the"lucky" ones; I only recently had  an email from a studentmidwife in SA, lamenting that she is unable to attendhomebirths unless the midwife is "publicly employed" (ie: nota MIPP). Since the only homebirth midwives employed by theGovernment in SA are part of the Northern Women's CommunityMidwifery Program, anyone not fortunate enough to be in thatregion has zero opportunity to work "in all situations". Thisis clearly an insurance issue as well as an educationalinstitution issue...but it's all one and the
 same at the endof the day, isn't it? It's all just part of the overallclimate for midwifery and birthing women in ourcountry.- Original Message - From:"Kirsten Dobbs" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To:ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSent: Thursday, June 01,2006 5:10 PMSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery] students learningI can back up Kate, (as weattend the same uni!)I have only ever been encouraged andsupported to attend births withindependentmidwives by ouruni.Kirsten-OriginalMessage-From:[EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On
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RE: [ozmidwifery] VBAC in Qld?- Answer for Nicole

[Emily]

i think she was asking about EBAC - empowered birth after caesarean  ie vaginal or caesarean but with the woman empowered to choose and direct and plan the experience in order to suit her Gail McKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Hi, Nicole,VBAC stands for Vaginal Birth After Caesarian. Not many hospitals will accommodate a woman wanting to give birth vaginally after a caesarian, quoting it too dangerous and that it could lead to uterine rupture, but the research literature supports VBAC and found it to be no more dangerous than normal birth. Go to any of the childbirth websites to find out more. Hope this helps.GailFrom: "Nicole Carver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auTo:
 Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] VBAC in Qld?Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 13:55:36 +1000Forgive my ignorance, but what is an EBAC?Thanks,Nicole. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Philippa Scott Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 12:57 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] VBAC in Qld? Hi, I am in Townsville where we (Birth Buddies) have had a few clients haveVBAC'S and EBAC's. The Townsville Hospital (public) is the best bet up here.I have had a VBAC there to and am always pleased to help those planning VBAC's. I can be contacted if you like on 47734075 or 0407648349. Cheers Philippa
 Scott Birth Buddies - Doula Assisting women and their families in the preparation towards childbirthand labour. President of Friends of the Birth Centre Townsville-- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lynne Staff Sent: Wednesday, 17 May 2006 8:57 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] VBAC in Qld? Hi Penny - she would be very welcome at Selangor, but Nambour is a littlefar from Cairns! Regards, Lynne - Original Message - From: penny burrows To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 8:54 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery]
 VBAC in Qld? Hi everyone I have some childbirth education clients that are planning a move toQld - somewhere between Airlie Beach and Cairns. The mum had a previouscaesarean as her baby was breech (arghhh!!) and she really wants to landsomewhere where she will be supportend to birth vaginally this time. She is27 weeks pregnant and planning to move next week so we are in a rush to finda destination!! Anyone have any clues as to supportive obstetricians, doctors, midwivesup that way? She doesn't want to birth at home so is looking for support ina hospital/ birth centre environment. Thanks in anticipation, Penny Burrows - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday,
 May 16, 2006 8:34 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Stop me!. Now I'm on the thread I cant seem to stop. MM Update of: a.. Cochrane Database Syst Rev. 2000;(2):CD001056. Periconceptional supplementation with folate and/or multivitamins forpreventing neural tube defects. Lumley J, Watson L, Watson M, Bower C. Centre for the Study of Mothers' and Children's Health, La TrobeUniversity, 251 Faraday St, Carlton, Vic, Australia, 3053.[EMAIL PROTECTED] BACKGROUND: Neural tube defects arise during the development of thebrain and spinal cord. OBJECTIVES: The objective of this review was toassess the effects of increased consumption of folate or multivitamins onthe prevalence of neural tube defects periconceptionally (that is beforepregnancy and in the first two
 months of pregnancy). SEARCH STRATEGY: Wesearched the Cochrane Pregnancy and Childbirth Group trials register. Dateof last search: April 2001. SELECTION CRITERIA: Randomised andquasi-randomised trials comparing periconceptional supplementation bymultivitamins with placebo, folate with placebo, or multivitamins withfolate; different dosages of multivitamins or folate; prepregnancy dietaryadvice and counselling in primary care settings to increase the consumptionof folate-rich foods, or folate-fortified foods, with standard care;increased intensity of information provision with standard public healthdissemination. DATA COLLECTION AND ANALYSIS: Two reviewers assessed trialquality and extracted data. MAIN RESULTS: Four trials of supplementationinvolving 6425 women were included. The trials all addressed the question ofsupplementation and they were of variable quality.
 Periconceptional folatesupplementation reduced the incidence of neural tube defects (relative risk0.28, 95% confidence interval 0.13 to 0.58). Folate supplementation did notsignificantly increase miscarriage, ectopic pregnancy or stillbirth,although there was a possible increase in multiple gestation. Multivitaminsalone were not associated with prevention of neural tube defects and did notproduce additional preventive effects when given with folate. Onedissemination trial, a community randomised trial, was identified involvingsix communities, matched in pairs, 

[ozmidwifery] new idea

[Emily]

heres my letter  i tried to be nice and respectful and kept trying to keep in mind that everyone has good intentions theyre just obviously uninformed and scared !! it worked for a second and then i was just furious again hahaha we'll see what my reply is  Hi,  I am a 4th year medical student and feel the need to write after reading your recent article on caesareans vs vaginal birth. While I'm sure this was an attempt to provide useful information to your readers about an obviously thought-provoking issue of great interest to your readers, the result I'm sorry to say is a biased article that provokes fear and perpetuates many myths. In the current era of sky-rocketing intervention rates and theterrible hospitalbirth experiences that go with them, it is little wonder that 80% of gynaecologists would choose a caesarean ! Obstetrician/Gynaecologists are
 usually only called on to deal with problems and complications of pregnancy and birth and as such, often develop a skewed view of the inherent risks, despite the evidence. This does not mean however, that other women should be encouraged to make this choice. There are many medical complications, only a very small number of which are pointed out in the article, associated with caesareans. This is not to mention the psychological complications that can come with caesareans due to separation from their babies and the difficulty of caring for a small baby while recovering from major abdominal surgery. We only need to look to the US, with around a 30% caesarean rate and still rated 31st for perinatal mortality rates to see that caesarean sections are not the safe and inert procedure they are often made out to be and do not help countriesto keep more babies alive.The point made about scheduling the day of birth is a particularly sad one. It
 is shocking that our society puts the health and wellbeing of their babies (who will be born when they are fully ready to be) behind their quest for instant gratification and control over their lives. If ever, this is one time that we should give over to nature and forget our need to schedule, organise and plan everything to the minute detail. It is also sad that our 'husbands' may not be able to make time to be with us when their child is born unless it fits neatly into a schedule !The statistic given for uterine rupture during a vaginal birth after caesarean is in fact quite accurate (1 in 200.) The reasons it is biased are firstly, because very few readers have any experience with which to guage this against (for example that common interventions like amniocentesis that arerecommended every day havedouble this risk of miscarriage ie 1 in 100,) that half of all uterine ruptures occur in women who have not everhad a prior
 caesarean and that not all uterine ruptures are fatal anyway.The risks given for 'natural birth' are particularly misleading and fear provoking and are extremely dangerous suggestions to be putting out to a generation of women. The risk of 'uncontrolled tearing' which we call a 3rd or 4th degree tear is in fact very low. This does however, become a more common problem when the birth process is interefered with by cutting the perineum - another intervention.   The risk of urinary incontinence has been shown time and time again to be unrelated to the mechanism of delivery. Women who undergo caesarean sections experience urinary incontinence at the same rates as those who have vaginal births.   And yes, as you have pointed out, caesareans are usually relatively quick but what you fail to mention is the long period of recovery and pain that goes with this surgery and the fact that women who have vaginal births are usually
 much quicker to be up and about and leave hospital.I hope that you will think again before printing information of this nature again. It does discredit New Idea to those who know the evidence surrounding these issues. Although there may be no outright lies in this article, it is blindingly biased and really unhelpful in helping women and families in their birth journey. I also hope that you will be printing an apology and some evidence, perhaps care of a midwife, as they are the experts of normal birth, not us medical people. If not I will be recommending to all the GPs, hospitals and birth centres that I'm involved with not to buy or allow your magazine in waiting rooms, due to it's fear-provoking and over-simplified articles.Regards  Emily Dorman
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Re: [ozmidwifery] letter writing time

[Emily]

great letter janet  gee they didnt know what they had coming when they put in that little article did they??[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Dear New Idea,Unsurprising as it is to see a surgeon promoting unnecessary surgery as on a par with a normal physiological process refined by millions of years of evolution, it is poor and irresponsible journalism to present these dangerous misconceptions in a major women’s magazine unchallenged. While Dr Pecoraro responsibly mentions that caesareans come with a higher rate of maternal death than vaginal births (and some other uncommon risks), he omits to mention the long list of other potential complications arising from surgery. This is an
 insult to your readers, since at least 1 in 3 Australian women (and 1 in 2 in many private hospitals) will have experienced this surgery and many will have had to manage the complications he clearly views as unimportant.[1] Let me list a few:significantly increased risk of hysterectomy   significantly increased risk of PND and PTSD   significantly increased risk of rehospitalisation  Most scarily of all however Dr Pecoraro entirely omits the equally long list of dangers to babies from surgery. As babies born by elective caesarean are by definition premature, or they would already have left
 their mothers’ bodies by the more optimal path by which they entered, they not only have to deal with major narcotics passing into their bloodstream from the anaesthesia administered to their mothers, but they are unprepared to breathe and do not receive the massaging benefit that vaginal birth gives to expel mucus and help wet lungs to breathe as well as the host of friendly flora which babies need to inhabit their gut which can only be taken up in a vaginal birth. No doubt Dr Pecoraro would be the first to say that the ultimate goal from birth is a healthy baby, yet clearly the least healthy babies of all are born via unnecessary surgery. Healthy babies also deserve healthy mothers and no woman with a massive wound in her belly could be considered a model of health by any standard, could she? Especially if that surgery was not performed as a life saving measure for her or her baby but because a surgeon told her it was safer.
 Let me list some for you:approximately five times the rate of severe breathing problems occurring in comparison with vaginally birthed babies[2]  · significant problems from epidural anaesthesia such as lowered neurobehavioral scores on newborn, decrease in muscle tone and strength, respiratory depression in baby, foetal malpositioning, foetal heart rate variability, increased need for forceps, vacuum and caesarean deliveries and episiotomies[3]  Difficulties with breastfeeding and bonding are also surely crucial in the early life of a baby and are far more likely with caesareans.NI should be very careful what they see fit to promote because irresponsible promotion of unnecessary surgery does not save or enhance lives. Promotion of woman-centred care provided via the midwifery model, with it’s attendant lowering of caesareans and raising of women’s joy in birth is what is desperately needed in this country. Your readers deserve accurate, unbiased information from which
 to begin their researching, not rubbish like this which serves no one’s interests but that of surgeons.Janet Fraser  [1] Other things being equal, is a caeserean section always more hazardous to the mother's health than vaginal birth? A quick summary by Olubusola Amu, Sasha Rajendran and Ibrahim I Bolaji,BMJ 1998;317:462-465 ( 15 August )http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/317/7156/462   "Caesarean sections are not without complications and consequences. Maternal risks in the short term include haemorrhage, infection, ileus, pulmonary embolism, and Mendelson's syndrome. The prevalence of hysterectomy due to haemorrhage after caesarean section is 10 times that after vaginal delivery, and the risk of maternal death is increased up to 16-fold.  Long term morbidity including formation of adhesions, intestinal
 obstruction, bladder injury, and uterine rupture is often underestimated during subsequent pregnancy. There is evidence suggesting decreased fecundity, increased risk of ectopic pregnancy, placenta praevia, and worse infant outcome in subsequent pregnancies, although the effect on non-reproductive health is unclear and contradictory. Feelings of inadequacy, guilt, and failure in not completing a natural process may affect bonding between mother and infant, particularly if the operation was conducted under general anaesthetic"  [2] High Rate of Persistent Pulmonary Hypertension Seen in Babies Born by C-Section   From Medscape:  WESTPORT, CT (Reuters Health) Mar 01 - The incidence of persistent pulmonary hypertension in newborns delivered by cesarean section is nearly five times higher than that observed among babies delivered vaginally, according to a database analysis of deliveries at the 

[ozmidwifery] Fwd: International Midwives Day. Urgent notice.

[Emily]

Carol Chapman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  From: "Carol Chapman" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: "MC NSW \(E-mail\)" [EMAIL PROTECTED]CC: "Anne Saxton \(E-mail\)" [EMAIL PROTECTED],"Rosalee Shaw \(E-mail\)" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: International Midwives Day. Urgent notice.Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 19:10:58 +1000Dear AllTo attract media for Belmont Birthing Service on International Midwives Daylocal birth support group and Maternity Coalition members are sendingflowers en masse to the midwives.We did this as a media stunt 2 years ago at John Hunter Hospital andachieved a fantastic floral display. It was wonderful and got us a good longsegment on the news that covered midwives scope of practise and the directentry midwifery courses!!
 Excellent awareness raisingWe are asking as many people as possible to send/deliver (if you livenearby) flowers to the BBS (2nd floor, Belmont District Hospital).If you can help please do. Please have your flowers at the BBS before 10:15am on Friday (Thursday pm would work), media has been advised to arrive at10:30 for photos. etc.If you live in the area, be advised that 'Florist de Belmont' on thePacific Hwy Belmont is donating some flowers and has offered that anyflowers purchased there will be arranged for free. Very kind I thought.Best Wishes and the deepest gratitude to our midwife friends reading this.Have a happy International Midwives Day and know that you are well loved andmuch appreciated.Best WishesCarol xxCarol ChapmanBranch PresidentNSW Maternity Coalition Inc.phone 02 4942 8602Mobile 0422 107 045www.maternitycoalition.org.au
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Birth Centres in West NSW?

[Emily]

All the rooms at Nepean have big round tubs (in delivery suite notjust the closed birth centre)and there are water birth protocols so a water birth would be possible if she is prepared to stand up for it or have a doula etc with her.   but it is generally very interventionalist ...  it is a shame the birth centre there isnt open because its rooms are really great. very spacious, double beds, water pools, outdoor private courtyards for each room, wooden furniture. when i was there all i was told was that it was closed 'because of politics.'  :("Kelly @ BellyBelly" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:A question from one of my members:I was wondering if there were any Birthing Centres in the Western Suburbs of NSW I know Nepean Hospital had one and closed it down about 2yrs ago due to lack of staff and also i think Campbelltown had one, but thats also closed down LI cant seem to find any information about it or anything?!?!?! Its really quite frustrating, i want to look into something, like a water birth (but im not prepared to do it at home!) for around my area and cant find a thing! Maybe i
 should ring a politician or something!? LOL Can anyone help? Kell, do you have any contacts up this way?I think I need to put together a Birth Centre list! Oh and I love seeing another one on my forum converted (in a nice way of course!) ;) ;) It’s working!!! JBest Regards,Kelly ZanteyCreator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to ParenthoodBellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support  
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Re: [ozmidwifery] EFM on satellite systems

[Emily]

well that certainly blows out of the water the
argument that intermittent auscultation cant be done
because the staff dont have time. how many extra MWs
could be employed for one to one care with an extra
half a million??

--- Sally-Anne Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 yes and the company that sells them had a stand at
 the icm and quoted one hospital where i worked abt
 500, 000 bucks to set up three rooms with their
 machines and the midwives station desk etc (of
 course the true costs only came out when we dragged
 it out of them).  i wondered what the women would
 think abt their 500,000 been spent in this way. 
 
 not to mention the very basics that had not been
 covered like NOT using dodgy paper so CTG's can also
 be stored over the 35 odd years required.
 
 Sally-Anne (Brown)
   - Original Message - 
   From: Kelly @ BellyBelly 
   To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
   Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 1:55 PM
   Subject: [ozmidwifery] EFM on satellite systems
 
 
   I was at a birth the last few days @ RWH and the
 midwives were telling me hospitals (RWH included)
 are soon changing to new EFM machines which are
 linked to a satellite system, so women can be
 monitored by the midwives from the ward desk. They
 were joking about it too, how they could have a
 loudspeaker go off and ask them to adjust the
 monitor next, should it not be in the right spot.
 Does anyone know anything more about this and what
 are your thoughts? One to one midwifery care seems
 further off sometimes, which is very, very sad.
 
   Best Regards,
 
   Kelly Zantey
   Creator, BellyBelly.com.au 
   Gentle Solutions From Conception to Parenthood
   BellyBelly Birth Support -
 http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support
 

 
 
 

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Re: [ozmidwifery] EFM on satellite systems

[Emily]

hi all  I think any move to make continuous monitoring easier to do is dangerous as it means more and more women will be subjected to it. im sure everyones aware of the huge cochrane review comparing intermittent aus with continuous monitoring. this looks at both high and low risk women and finds an increased incidence of caesareans and instrumental deliveries with no improvement in neonatal morbidity or mortality. so i think whether its done by satellite or not, it is largely a bad ideaif people are going to continue to use continuous monitoring anyway, satellite sounds on the surface to be a much better choice because of mobility and comfort   can it still be used if a woman if in water ?  Jo Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  I thought it was more so
 that the woman wasn't stuck in the room - she can go for a walk to the coffee shop or in the garden or something. Just to normalise labour a bit for those considered a bit more high risk.JoOn 28/04/2006, at 3:19 PM, sharon wrote:the efm on satellite systems does not subsitute for the registered midwife in the rooms. We have this at the hosp that i work in
 and you still have to stay in the room with the woman whilst she is labouring. Not all clients are on moniters and some are intermittenly monitored with a doppler hand held. I find this appaling that the midwives can even think of not bieng in the room with the woman and her partner during labour. They are used as a sort of backup so the shift co-ordinator can see what is happening in the room and also for the medical officer who is always in the labour ward to glance at sometimes as the individual midwife in the room's ability may be on different levels it is like a saftey system i guess for both the woman and the midwife attending her.  regards- Original Message -  From: Kelly @ BellyBelly  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au  Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 1:25 PM  Subject: [ozmidwifery] EFM on satellite systems  I was at a birth the last few days @ RWH and the midwives were telling me hospitals (RWH included) are soon changing to new EFM machines which are linked to a satellite system, so women can be monitored by the midwives from the ward desk. They were joking about it too, how they could have a loudspeaker go off and ask them to adjust the monitor next, should it not be in the right spot. Does anyone know anything more about this and what are your thoughts? One to one midwifery care seems further off sometimes, which is very, very sad…  Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyCreator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to ParenthoodBellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support  
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[ozmidwifery] bali ceremony

[Emily]

hi everyone  just thought id let you all know about a beautiful ceremony i went to recently in bali. its always nice to know about other cultures birth traditions .  my young friend (whos 20) recently met and fell in love with a balinese girl and many of us went over to see their huge hindu wedding with 800 guests!! and their baby girl's hindu 3 month ceremony. this is where the baby is formally named, offerings and prayers given, has her head shaved - because it has passed through the vagina and so is considered dirty :(- touches the ground for the very first time (she has always been held since birth,) tastes water for the first time and after which she is allowed to leave her home. they have like an extended baby moon for the first 3 balinese months (which are longer than ours) where the baby should not leave the family compound. the baby is also given a beautiful necklace containing a piece of their placenta to wear as well as anklets,
 bracelets, earrings and tiny littlerings!! the rest of the placenta was burried directly outside their front door and offerings are given to it each day including flowers, food, money and coconuts! her mum explained to me that the placenta is considered the baby's sister because without itshe would not have been nourished and healthy. another interesting thing i noticed watching all the little bubs in the family is that they are extremely chubby, women are very proud of their breastfeeding and the babys fat rolls :) and the babies never seem to cry in order to be fed. they are fed often - every hour and a half in the case of my friend's baby - and never seem to have the need to cry for food because its always offered to them before they need to.. it was very interested to see. my friend's wife was breastfed until she was 5 and has every intention of doing the same. it was lovely to see a culture where the whole process
 'seems' so hassle free. they had no baby paraphenalia in their home except baby clothes, a plastic baby bath and a baby carrier that i gave them before she was born (that is the envy of the village!)   anyway, theres a little taste of balinese village life for you!  love emily
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[ozmidwifery] bali ceremony

[Emily]

hi everyone  just thought id let you all know about a beautiful ceremony i went to recently in bali. its always nice to know about other cultures birth traditions .  my young friend (whos 20) recently met and fell in love with a balinese girl and many of us went over to see their huge hindu wedding with 800 guests!! and their baby girl's hindu 3 month ceremony. this is where the baby is formally named, offerings and prayers given, has her head shaved - because it has passed through the vagina and so is considered dirty :(- touches the ground for the very first time (she has always been held since birth,) tastes water for the first time and after which she is allowed to leave her home. they have like an extended baby moon for the first 3 balinese months (which are longer than ours) where the baby should not leave the family compound. the baby is also given a beautiful necklace containing a piece of their placenta to wear as well as anklets,
 bracelets, earrings and tiny littlerings!! the rest of the placenta was burried directly outside their front door and offerings are given to it each day including flowers, food, money and coconuts! her mum explained to me that the placenta is considered the baby's sister because without itshe would not have been nourished and healthy. another interesting thing i noticed watching all the little bubs in the family is that they are extremely chubby, women are very proud of their breastfeeding and the babys fat rolls :) and the babies never seem to cry in order to be fed. they are fed often - every hour and a half in the case of my friend's baby - and never seem to have the need to cry for food because its always offered to them before they need to.. it was very interested to see. my friend's wife was breastfed until she was 5 and has every intention of doing the same. it was lovely to see a culture where the whole process
 'seems' so hassle free. they had no baby paraphenalia in their home except baby clothes, a plastic baby bath and a baby carrier that i gave them before she was born (that is the envy of the village!)   anyway, theres a little taste of balinese village life for you!  love emily
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Re: [ozmidwifery] students

[Emily]

Hi Justine  well im only starting that rotation tomorrow so im not really sure what it entails fully. i did do a final year medicine obstetrics rotation through sydney university though and it was truly appaling to be honest. it was not even compulsory to attend a single birth, it was all learning about complications. there are doctors graduating from sydney uni whos only experience of birth is caesareans !! they havent seen a single baby pushed out bya mum. there is a lot of work to be done in educating doctors and i feel it is one of the most important steps in changing most obstetrician's interventionalist attitudes.  from what ive heard from other newcastle students, our rotation is better. one of our assessable tasks is to follow through 2 or so families through the last month or so of pregnancy, attending antenatal appointments and getting to know them, then attend the birth and then go to their home for a home visit to see how the
 family is adjusting a few weeks after it. everyone finds that really rewarding and i have seen at least one of my friends attitudes to birth transformed by it. she was lucky enough to get a wonderful strong woman who birthed her baby kneeling on the floor and politely refused to get on the bed when asked because the MW had a bad back. she said 'well would you mind getting me someone else because im very comfortable here and not going to move.' my friends view of birth was really changed by that woman and i think its a great 'assignment'  one of the other unis (maybe monash?) has a similar thing that starts in 1st year of medicine and you actually follow the child and familythrough until preschool age which is think is brilliant  so i cant really answer your question until im finished the rotation but i know if you got in contact with Andrew Bisits, who is one of the coordinators, he would be interested and happy to talk about it. he seems to be
 really in to getting med students interested in birth. i would love to show some movies including 'gentle birth choices' and i will suggest it to dr bisits. they already think im a bit batty so it cant hurt !! i can foward an email to him if youd prefer that to ringing him  i for one would love to see you come and talk about your experiences !   love emily  Justine Caines [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Hi EmilyI have been wondering for a while do they have any consumer input at Newc Uni when teaching Obstetrics?I am thinking actually hearing from a woman about her experiences et etc. Not the interaction with current pregnant women.As I remember the Newc Uni course is
 a bit different (is it still called Community Medicine?)Just thought it would be good for students to understand the enormity of the experience and perhaps to see a video of a birth under a woman’s own steam!We have some great advocates in Newcastle so it would be possible...Kind regardsJustine 
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Traditional birth practices

[Emily]

hi mikei could send you an assignment with references i did last year on this topic i only have paper copies i think as my computer crashed but id be happy to send you one via post if you email me your addressmine is [EMAIL PROTECTED]regardsemilyMike  Lindsay Kennedy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone have any articles re traditional birth in the Aboriginalculture for an assignment i'm working on?rgds mike--My photos online @ http://community.webshots.com/user/mike1962nzMy Group online @ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PSP_for_PhotographersNew Photo site@Mike - http://mikelinz.dotphoto.comLindsay - Http://likeminz.dotphoto.com"Life is a sexually transmitted condition with 100% mortality and birth isas safe as it gets." Unknown--This mailing list is
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Traditional birth practices

[Emily]

ohhh! thanks Di  its nice to hear some encouragement, im just about to start my 'obstetrics' term at john hunterand am bracing myself for the onslaught  its such a hard mix as a student between being an advocate and not being a smart ass.. :) its not really expected that students will have opinions as such  is anyone on here working at john hunter at the moment?  love emilydiane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Hi Emily (our favourite doctor, 'cept maybe Sarah Buckley),  Nice to hear from you. You have been quiet lately. Studying hard I hope!! You need to pass with flying colours so the women have another great advocate out there for them (no pressure
 tho' of course) :)  Cheers,  Di- Original Message -   From: Emily   To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au   Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 10:08 PM  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Traditional birth practices  hi mikei could send you an assignment with references i did last year on this topic i only have paper copies i
 think as my computer crashed but id be happy to send you one via post if you email me your addressmine is [EMAIL PROTECTED]regardsemilyMike  Lindsay Kennedy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   Anyone have any articles re traditional birth in the Aboriginalculture for an assignment i'm working on?rgds mike--My photos online @ http://community.webshots.com/user/mike1962nzMy Group online @ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PSP_for_PhotographersNew Photo site@Mike - http://mikelinz.dotphoto.comLindsay - Http://likeminz.dotphoto.com"Life is a sexually transmitted condition with 100% mortality and birth isas safe as it gets." Unknown--This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics.Visit
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Re:Sad Story, any help please?

[Emily]

haha as in Dr Bisits, the Australian obstetrician who spoke about reeducating people about breech births  :)Gloria Lemay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  What are "bisits", I don't think we have those in Canada. :-)  GloriaEmily wrote:  oh im so jealous ! how did bisits go?   regards  emilyGloria Lemay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  I wish all of you could have been here in Vancouver for the Breech  Birth Conference. Maggie Banks (N.Z.) and Jane Evans (Brit.) did the  midwives proud. GloriaMary Murphy wrote:  Jo, I was exploring the  thought that if the breech was stuck for so long it could have put  uneven pressure on the lower segment for a long time and perhaps cause  dehishance or “pressure areas” which could lead to necrosis and the  following events. Not a criticism, merely a lateral thought. As a  supporter of breech vaginal birth, I am interested in all the possible  ramifications. It was a long delay. Perhaps for this
 individual woman a long  delay with a cephalic presentation would be the same, however, the head  is round and smooth and would cause even pressures? Who knows, as I  said, just exploring possibilities. MMDo you really think that a massive PPH 2.5  weeks (WEEKS, not hours or days) after a ceaser that resulted in a  nasty uterine infection is most likely to do with the breech  presentation? If the babe was cephalic she still might have stuck at  full dilation and had a c/s - would she have been less likely to have  gotten an infection or have the PPH?At 6:21 PM +0800 2/4/06, Mary Murphy wrote:I guess this is why some advise c/s for  breech, but it seems that this, ³She laboured to fully without any  analgesia thenpushed valiantly for 3.5 hrs² is the  problem. I was led to believe that if progress of the breech halted,  then it was the time to change options. Mm-- Jo BourneVirtual Artists Pty Ltd--This mailing list is sponsored by ACE  Graphics.Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au  to subscribe or unsubscribe. Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone  calls.   Great rates starting at 1¢/min.
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Re:Sad Story, any help please?

[Emily]

oh im so jealous ! how did bisits go?   regards  emilyGloria Lemay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  I wish all of you could have been here in Vancouver for the Breech  Birth Conference. Maggie Banks (N.Z.) and Jane Evans (Brit.) did the  midwives proud. GloriaMary Murphy wrote:Jo, I was exploring the  thought that if the breech was stuck  for so long it could have put uneven pressure on the lower segment for  a long  time and perhaps cause dehishance or “pressure areas” which could  lead to necrosis and the following events. Not a
 criticism, merely a  lateral  thought. As a supporter of breech vaginal birth, I am interested in  all the  possible ramifications. It was a long delay. Perhaps for this individual woman a long  delay with a cephalic  presentation would be the same, however, the head is round and smooth  and would  cause even pressures? Who knows, as I said, just exploring  possibilities. MMDo you really think that a massive PPH 2.5  weeks (WEEKS, not hours or  days) after a ceaser that resulted in a nasty uterine infection is most  likely  to do with the breech presentation? If the babe was cephalic she still  might  have stuck at full dilation and had a c/s - would she
 have been less  likely to  have gotten an infection or have the PPH?At 6:21 PM +0800 2/4/06, Mary Murphy  wrote:I guess this is why some advise c/s for  breech, but it seems that  this, ³She laboured to fully without any analgesia thenpushed valiantly for 3.5 hrs² is the  problem. I was led to believe  that if progress of the breech halted, then it was the time to change  options.  Mm  
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RE: [ozmidwifery] Re:Sad Story, any help please?

[Emily]

Hi Miriam,  What a sad, unfortunate story. Breastfeeding is probably even more  important for this woman, as this will obviously be her last birth  child. Perhaps if you could rally together some donor milk from friends  that would be useful for her. To give her time if she feels she  needs it, or doesnt want to feed at the moment because of the many meds  shed be on.. at least bub would be getting breastmilk in the mean  time...  Love and strength to you  EmilyCarol Van Lochem [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hi Miriam,  I broke out in goose bumps upon reading your post. I work at this  hospital  know of your friend, but have been off this weekend   didn't know about
 this sad event until I saw it here. My  sympathies to all. Please rest assured that she will be supported in  her efforts to continue to breast feed if she wishes to. Hopefully her  supply won't have been too badly effected .  Kind regards  Carol Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 18:18:55 +1000 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ozmidwifery] Re:Sad Story, any help please? To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au   Hellowisewomen,  Ipostedafewweeksagoaboutafriendofminewitha breechbabeat37+weekswhowasthinkingaboutan independentmidwifeforsupportatEastGippsland
 hospital.Ipromisedtoupdateyousoheregoes...  ShehadSROMattermwithSOOCsoonafter.Laboured beautifullyathomeandonadmissiontolabourward was5-6cmanddoingwell.HerlovelyOBsameinand waswithherfortherestofthelabour.  Shelabouredtofullywithoutanyanalgesiathen pushedvaliantlyfor3.5hrs.Theyhadbumonview whentheypartedherlabiabutababewhoseemedwell andtrulystuck.Aftersomediscussionitwasdecided
 togototheatreforsection.OBwasagainlovelywith skintoskininOT,nicefeedplusdadcuttingthe cord.Thisdespiteatrickysectionduetobabebeing solow.  Therewassomedamagetoherbladder(itwas'nicked') plustotheupperposteriorvaginalwallwiththe difficultyofextractingherlittleonefromsucha low/tightposition.Shehadaprettyheftyloss(1000 ml,althoughwhoknowswithC/Sasdocumentedbya recentthread!). 
 Sherecoveredwellbeingfitandhealthy,goinghome onday5.Hospitalcalledthenextdaytoaskherto comebackinforABprophylaxisforherdaughteras theanaesthetistattendinghadjustbeendiagnosed withwhoopingcough(WHAT!!).Backshewent,more worry,moredisruption.Twodayslatershehad significantabdotendernessandlowerbackpain,so backshewentagain.Nastyuterineinfection,onABs herself!!!  Afteraweekoftreatmentthingsseemedtobe
 settling.Shewashome,feedinggoingwellandhermum visiting.Astheysatdowntodinnershefeltasmall gushofbloodandwenttothetoilettoinvestigate. Shecalledfromthebathroomforhelpandwhenhermum andpartnergottohershewaspale,unconsciousand lyinginahugepoolofblood.  Ambulancewasgoingtotake15min,sotheybundled herintothecar,hazardlightsonandwentforit.At thehospitaltheygaveherblood,plateletsand
 gelofusineandcalledherOBin.After4-6hours thingsseemedtohavesettledandtheywereall keepingtheirfingerscrossed.  Herconditiondeterioratedlaterintheeveningand theywenttotheatreforaDCandinvestigation.She wasinfullblownDICbynowsoconsentwasgainedfor anemergencyhysterectomy.WhenIspoketohersister todayshewasstillgroggybutok.  WordscannotexpressthesadnessIfeel.Iamgoingto visitinacoupleofweekswhenkidsandclinical
 allowbutIamdesperatetodoanythingIcantohelp fromhere.Iknowshewillgetthe'youwon'tbeable tobreastfeedwiththatloss/trauma'talk,butIknow inmyheartifshecouldgetfeedinghappeningagain itwouldbeonenormal,beautifulthingshecould salvagefromthisexperience.  Anythoughts,suggestions,assistancewouldbemost appreciated.IsowishIwerethere.  Yoursinsisterhood,Miriam    OnYahoo!7
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[ozmidwifery] med students

[Emily]

Hi Carolyn,
I'm in 4th year med now and start my reproductive med
course in a few weeks. I'm writing to see if it would
be possible for myself and Tessa Cookson (i think you
know her mum Sue Cookson in Byron..) to come and help
out and get some experience at Belmont in addition to
our time at jhh. As you know, we're both interested in
home birth, continuity of care and all things birthing
! and would love to come and see how Belmont is going.
Obviously this would also be beneficial in letting the
midwives who work there help guide us into being
better doctors! 
We'd love to follow-through a few women each so we
could get a better experience of continuity of care,
of which we get very little in the course at the
moment. Anyway, we're open to suggestions 
Thanks alot
Emily Dorman

PS ive just found the home and natural birth support
group in elermore vale which ive been going along to,
so i know a few women now using the belmont service
who are very happy to have found it !



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[ozmidwifery] med students..

[Emily]

Hi Carolyn,
I'm in 4th year med now and start my reproductive med
course in a few weeks. I'm writing to see if it would
be possible for myself and Tessa Cookson (i think you
know her mum Sue Cookson in Byron..) to come and help
out and get some experience at Belmont in addition to
our time at jhh. As you know, we're both interested in
home birth, continuity of care and all things birthing
! and would love to come and see how Belmont is going.
Obviously this would also be beneficial in letting the
midwives who work there help guide us into being
better doctors! 
We'd love to follow-through a few women each so we
could get a better experience of continuity of care,
of which we get very little in the course at the
moment. Anyway, we're open to suggestions 
Thanks alot
Emily Dorman

PS ive just found the home and natural birth support
group in elermore vale which ive been going along to,
so i know a few women now using the belmont service
who are very happy to have found it !



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this is the 4th edition printed in 2004 so maybe a newer one..  i havent got the midwifes companion. although i will add it to my 20  book/video long list of things to buy when money magically appears  after student-life :)  i also just got 'gentle birth choices' and the dvd that comes with it is the best !  love emily  
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Re: [ozmidwifery] dive reflex

[Emily]

hi jenny  thats not what ive read about it. i have read about the diversion  of blood flow to essential areas due to prostaglandin E2 increases  around labour time, but think this is separate to the dive reflex'One more important inhibitory reflex is the Dive Reflex, which  involves the larynx. ...when a solution hits the back of the throat,  passing the larynx, the taste buds interpret what substance it is and  the glottis automatically closes. The solution is then swallowed, not  inhaled...' - Heart and HandsemilyJenny Cameron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  The dive reflex !
 is a term
 used to describe the   newborns ability to close off peripheral circulation and redirect the majority   of its blood supply to the brain, heart and adrenals. It is a protective   mechanism to ensure the vital organs are kept functioning in times of critically   low oxygen. It is called the 'seal diving reflex' because seals do it to survive   the freezing waters when diving for food etc. It has nothing to do with inhaling   water or other fluids. Cheers  JennyJennifer Cameron FRCNA FACMPresident NT branch   ACMIPO Box 1465Howard Springs NT 083508 8983 19260419 528   717  - Original Message - From: Emily To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 5:38 PMSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery] dive reflexYahoo! PhotosRing in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever.  No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.2!
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[ozmidwifery] dive reflex

[Emily]

hi everyone   i have a question about water births. ive read many times that the baby  wont inhale underwater because of the dive relflex, preventing it  inhaling whilst submerged in water but why doesnt this reflex occur in  utero? i was under the impression the fetal lungs were full of fluid  from 'practicing' breathing in utero? so if thats true then the dive  reflex isnt working then.. So does this reflex only occur under certain  pressure conditions or only after birth or something?  thanks for your help. i read an awful article on water birth yesterday  that called it a bad joke with no benefits for babies and very risky  and against evidence based practice hahahaha ! so i guess im just  trying to answer all the questions thative had lurking  love emily  ps today i have just bought 'heart and hands a midwifes guide to  pregnancy and birth' and it is so great ive been absorbed all day. do  others use this as a reference?  
Kylie Holden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Hi allI'm a Mid student (who has finally finished all her birth requirements...yay!) and this issue has only just come up for me over the last week or two.  For the first time in two years, a midwife I was working with pointed out the importance of flushing through the synto if you have given it IV, if there was no drip running to flush it through.This obviously makes sense, because if you don't flush it, the synto will just sit in the J loop or IV line.  However, I had never actually seen a midwife do this before.  Over the next few days I asked a few midwives what they do, and the responses I got ranged from "Why on earth would you need to do that?" to "Yes, of course you need to flush it!"Any thoughts on this
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Photos of beautifull birthing rooms

[Emily]

http://www.birthing-center.com/birthingcenter.htm  this is a nice birthing cente in india with a water birth room and  things it seems very nice. there are also some nice photos of families  who have birthed there  i guess ud have to email and ask if you could use them though, shes really lovely Päivi Laukkanen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Hi everyone,I am putting together a photo gallery to display   some of the most beautiful birthing rooms in contrast of the most uncomfortable   hospital delivery rooms, with some description !
 of where
 they are from.The   photo gallery will be presented in Tampere Finland later this spring. If you   work in an environment, where the birthing rooms are really mother friendly and   comfortable, or if you know some places where I could contact to get pictures,   please contact me.Unfortunately I will not be able to go and take photoes,   since I am back here in Finland. It would be great to get some pictures from   many different countries.Paivi Laukkanen  Childbirth Educator  Finland[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Anaemia remedies

[Emily]

some Aboriginal women recommend drinking kangaroo blood :)))  probably rather unpractical ... haha try getting a policy on that Helen and Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  We are having a discussion about remedies for   anaemia in pregnancy at work at the moment. One of the midwives has been   recommending parsley and pineapple juice but one of the doctors is saying it   causes a build up of uric acid?!I recall hearing about floradix being   recommended by some midwives and Elevit by others. !
  
   Apart from FGF, I would be interested in what   people are recommending in their practices.ThanksHelen
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Re: [ozmidwifery] article in our local paper today

[Emily]

hi andrea  this link needs a password  regards  emilyAndrea Quanchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  This was in our local paper today and I thought you might be interested. I sent them an email over a month ago when I received a copy of the report and it took till now for it to appear.Andrea Quanchihttp://rivheraldechuca.net/story.asp?TakeNo=200601066155153--This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics.Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.  __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com 

Re: [ozmidwifery] testing

[Emily]

did a post from me yesterday reach you all? it didnt come back to me and no replies so i dont think so... Susan Cudlipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Thanks Andrea but I am definitely missing some of   the original posts - I see the replies so know that I haven't recieved the first   ones  SueHappy New Year to all mid- listers"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do   nothing"Edmund Burke  - Original Message - From: Andrea Quanchi !
 To:
 ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 7:47 AMSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] testingI think it is just the christmas new year lullAndreaOn 02/01/2006, at 12:47 AM, Susan Cudlipp wrote:I seem to be missing some   posts - has the list been very quiet? Very few posts in the past few weeks,   and some that are replies but I never recieved the originalsSue"The   only thing necessary for the triump!
 h of evil
 is for good men to do nothing"Edmund   Burke  No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.11/219 - Release Date: 2/01/2006
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Re: [ozmidwifery] normal birth in the media - for a change

[Emily]

yeh i nearly wrote to them after they said that shed gone out to buy 'baby essentials' like bottles and formula. but the new article said something about the midwifes helping her breastfeed in hospital. how funny that were all so up on the magazine gossip !  emilyJanet Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  I'll be interested to see what happens with how she feeds the baby since she was out buying formula according to New Idea just before the baby arrived.  J---!
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 Original Message -   From: diane   To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au   Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 7:58 AM  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] normal birth in the media - for a changeHi , I read that about Bec too. In the suermarket line ( The only place I read them!!) hope she comes out and gives more detail, she is a strong role model for lots of young Australian women (tho Im not sure thats necessarily a good thing). I wonder if she had time for her epidural or if she didnt plan on one? If all went really well it would be great for her to tell the
 world.  Cheers Di  - Original Message -   From: Susan Cudlipp   To: midwifery list   Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 1:53 AM  Subject: [ozmidwifery] normal birth in the media - for a changeHi all  I was looking through a recent women's magazine while having my hair done
 yesterday (only time I read them!) and was very pleased to see not one but two stories of celebs having normal births. Bec Cartwright was quoted as having such a speedy labour that she was in doubts of getting to the hospital on time, and Rod Stewarts latest wife who had a drug-free water birth and described it as "the most empowering and spiritual experience of her life"   Not earth shattering news I know but encouraging to read somethingother than surgical birth in the magazines for a change, and good to hear celebs beingpositive role models.Sue  "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing"Edmund Burke  
	
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[ozmidwifery] beautiful twins

[Emily]

Congratulations  Im so glad to hear everything went how you envisionged and everyone is healthy. Also, i was beginning to run out of candles to burn :)  regards  emily
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RE: [ozmidwifery] Peaceful birth

[Emily]

my candle is lit and smells beautiful :)jo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:My candle is burning bright!Fantastic that she got to 40 + 2
 weeks.Jo xFrom: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sally-Anne BrownSent: Monday, 5 December 2005 7:54 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] Peaceful birth  Dear friendsThis evening as the moon transcends into an aquari!
 an
 quarter one of our most dynamic and fabulous women of consumer maternity reform in Australia is preparing for the birth of her twins. Justine Caines (for those of you who do not know of her - yet !!) is a woman of great strength and courage and has without doubt transformed the political climate for birth reform in this country in a way that has never been acheived before.I ask all of you to send Justine and her husband Paul and their 4children - Ruby (6) Clancy (4) Wil (3) and Toby (18mths) lots of the good midwifery and womanly vibes fora wonderful and peaceful birth. For those of you who are able and wish to - could you please light a candle in support andencouragement for Justine and her family.Peace at birthPeace on Earth  
  (adapted from the 2004 MC campaign for rural women's birthing services)Kind RegardsSally-Anne
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Re: [ozmidwifery] fetal path to obesity

[Emily]

hi all  I dont think finding organic is very hard at all, yes it is sometimes a lot more expensive but often only a little bit. Coles has a whole new range of organic products which contains nearly everything - wheat bix, olive oil, fruit and vegies, nuts, pasta sauces, pasta, eggs, flour, sugar, even tomato sauceetc etc. Many things in the organic section of supermarkets arent much more expensive eg potatoes, sweet potatoes, capsicums...  i think if you can stretch even for a few items its well worth it and the taste difference is incredible.   We are just starting to feed Will solids now - he's 6 months and 1 week today. We have discovered an organic porridge and organic rice cereal, and organic teething rusks. They are not expensive - $3.19 per pk. As !
 for the
 other stuff.. I know you can get organic bananas in the supermarket, too. But anything other than these basics, and yes, it is harder to find and more expensive :(Jo
	
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Re: [ozmidwifery] fetal path to obesity

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hi yeh thats really true. with this method though its all above ground in boxes so you can purchase organic soil and fertilisers and buy organic seeds and then be sure that theyre nasty-free  emilyislips [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  my biggest concern about growing my own vegtables is that i dont know the history of he soil where we live.  zoe- Original Message -   From: Emily   To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au   Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 3:08 PM  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] fetal path to obesitygrowing organic food isnt expensive though, its really cheap and teaches kids so much about eating food that is freshstraight from the earth - not a can or microwave haha. you can grow enough vegetables for a family by rotating and replanting as you need.i havent tried this technique but it sounds great (www.squarefootgardening.com)  sorry this isnt directly relevant, but if it helps grow healthy families andchildrenand save money and the earths resources then i guess it is !
 ! 
 love emilyJanet Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  I also find it deeply unsatisfactory because we know that breastfeeding is the way to avoi! d obesity and yet we don't promote bf as part of the package. There's no mention in this of whether or not the mothers or children were bf to WHO guidelines.  J- Original Message -   From: brendamanning   To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au   Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 9:58 AM  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] fetal path to obesityThis is an "I remember" tale...I would really hate us to go back to those days of obsessive weighing of women  them dreading the weekly pregnancy check because they'd be 'told off' for gaining weight. Some women even used it as an excuse not to attend pregnancy checks at all, especially the bigger women who we know are high
 risk.  Those were awful times where women were treated like naughty girls instead of responsible women who ought to be deciding (with the appropriate info)what's bestfor the health of themselves  their baby.  There is always a 'policeman' with theweighing system, usually it's the ! weigher (ie the midwife) no one likes them, it's verybad for mother/midwife rapport.Educating the mothers re healthy diets is the key as that's why they gained the excessweight initiallyduring pregnancy, (unhealthy eating patterns)unless they were underweight when they became pregnant ( very common with the 'lolly-pop' look nowadays). So they need education about!
  healthy
 food choices after weaning from the breast for their children.  Just my 2c worth, I hated with a passion hearing women worrying about:  'putting on too much weight, the doctor will tell me off'. It's s demeaning ! They aren't naughty school girls  it reinforces that patriarchal"doctor is God' handing down sentences  orderstriad.With kind regardsBrenda Manning www.themidwife.com.au- Original Message -   From: Helen and Graham   To: ozmidwifery   Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 9:19 PM  Subject: [ozmidwifery] fetal path to obesityhttp://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,17432980%255E23289,00.htmlPrint this page Fetal path to adult obesityClara Pirani02dec05PREGNANT women who gain too much weight under the guise of "eating for two" may be guaranteeing their children have a lifelong battle with obesity.Two studies that will be published in next week's New Scientist journal found women who gain too much weight during pregnancy are far more likely to have overweight or obese children.   One study, from a team at Harvard University in the US, found that even women who f!
 ollowed
 their doctor's advice and gained a "safe" amount of weight were still likely to have overweight children.   The Harvard study divided 770 expectant mothers into three groups - those who gained an "inadequate", "adequate" and "excessive" amount of weight - based on the US Institute of Medicine's guidelines that women should gain between 12kg and 16kg.   Children born to women who gained an adequate or ex! cessive amount of weight were, on average, already overweight by the age of three.   "Only the inadequate group - a weight gain of less than 11.5kg - gives a result that is where you want to be," Harvard University researcher Matthew Gillman said.   Researchers believe that during gestation the baby's metabolism - including the hunger and satiety signals that tell people when to stop eating - is still developing and babies become accustomed to having too much food.   Julie Owens, a researcher at the University of Adelaide's centre for reproductive h!
 ealth,
 said that while there was no exact guide to how much weight a women should gain, it was important women did not use pregnancy as an excuse to overeat.  privacy terms © The
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Re: [ozmidwifery] fetal path to obesity

[Emily]

hi yeh thats really true. with this method though its all above ground in boxes so you can purchase organic soil and fertilisers and buy organic seeds and then be sure that theyre nasty-free  emilyislips [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  my biggest concern about growing my own vegtables is that i dont know the history of he soil where we live.  zoe- Original Message -   From: Emily   To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au   Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 3:08 PM  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] fetal path to obesitygrowing organic food isnt expensive though, its really cheap and teaches kids so much about eating food that is freshstraight from the earth - not a can or microwave haha. you can grow enough vegetables for a family by rotating and replanting as you need.i havent tried this technique but it sounds great (www.squarefootgardening.com)  sorry this isnt directly relevant, but if it helps grow healthy families andchildrenand save money and the earths resources then i guess it is !
 ! 
 love emilyJanet Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  I also find it deeply unsatisfactory because we know that breastfeeding is the way to avoi! d obesity and yet we don't promote bf as part of the package. There's no mention in this of whether or not the mothers or children were bf to WHO guidelines.  J- Original Message -   From: brendamanning   To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au   Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 9:58 AM  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] fetal path to obesityThis is an "I remember" tale...I would really hate us to go back to those days of obsessive weighing of women  them dreading the weekly pregnancy check because they'd be 'told off' for gaining weight. Some women even used it as an excuse not to attend pregnancy checks at all, especially the bigger women who we know are high
 risk.  Those were awful times where women were treated like naughty girls instead of responsible women who ought to be deciding (with the appropriate info)what's bestfor the health of themselves  their baby.  There is always a 'policeman' with theweighing system, usually it's the ! weigher (ie the midwife) no one likes them, it's verybad for mother/midwife rapport.Educating the mothers re healthy diets is the key as that's why they gained the excessweight initiallyduring pregnancy, (unhealthy eating patterns)unless they were underweight when they became pregnant ( very common with the 'lolly-pop' look nowadays). So they need education about!
  healthy
 food choices after weaning from the breast for their children.  Just my 2c worth, I hated with a passion hearing women worrying about:  'putting on too much weight, the doctor will tell me off'. It's s demeaning ! They aren't naughty school girls  it reinforces that patriarchal"doctor is God' handing down sentences  orderstriad.With kind regardsBrenda Manning www.themidwife.com.au- Original Message -   From: Helen and Graham   To: ozmidwifery   Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 9:19 PM  Subject: [ozmidwifery] fetal path to obesityhttp://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,17432980%255E23289,00.htmlPrint this page Fetal path to adult obesityClara Pirani02dec05PREGNANT women who gain too much weight under the guise of "eating for two" may be guaranteeing their children have a lifelong battle with obesity.Two studies that will be published in next week's New Scientist journal found women who gain too much weight during pregnancy are far more likely to have overweight or obese children.   One study, from a team at Harvard University in the US, found that even women who f!
 ollowed
 their doctor's advice and gained a "safe" amount of weight were still likely to have overweight children.   The Harvard study divided 770 expectant mothers into three groups - those who gained an "inadequate", "adequate" and "excessive" amount of weight - based on the US Institute of Medicine's guidelines that women should gain between 12kg and 16kg.   Children born to women who gained an adequate or ex! cessive amount of weight were, on average, already overweight by the age of three.   "Only the inadequate group - a weight gain of less than 11.5kg - gives a result that is where you want to be," Harvard University researcher Matthew Gillman said.   Researchers believe that during gestation the baby's metabolism - including the hunger and satiety signals that tell people when to stop eating - is still developing and babies become accustomed to having too much food.   Julie Owens, a researcher at the University of Adelaide's centre for reproductive h!
 ealth,
 said that while there was no exact guide to how much weight a women should gain, it was important women did not use pregnancy as an excuse to overeat.  privacy terms © The
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Re: [ozmidwifery] David Miller

[Emily]

Hi everyone  Im also looking for an email address or some other contact for David Miller if anyone has one  Thanks alot  EmilySue Cookson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Hi Mary,Yes John is still alive and well at 83 years old. I have emailed you privately with his details.SueAn ex-client and long-time supporter is looking for information about John. He is still alive isn’t he? Does anyone have a recent contact address? I will pass on any information. Thanks, Mary Murphy__ NOD32 1.1311 (20051202) Information __This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.http://www.nod32.com  
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Re: [ozmidwifery] fetal path to obesity

[Emily]

growing organic food isnt expensive though, its really cheap and teaches kids so much about eating food that is freshstraight from the earth - not a can or microwave haha. you can grow enough vegetables for a family by rotating and replanting as you need.i havent tried this technique but it sounds great (www.squarefootgardening.com)  sorry this isnt directly relevant, but if it helps grow healthy families andchildrenand save money and the earths resources then i guess it is !  love emilyJanet Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  I also find it deeply unsatisfactory because we know that breastfeeding is the way to avoi!
 d obesity
 and yet we don't promote bf as part of the package. There's no mention in this of whether or not the mothers or children were bf to WHO guidelines.  J- Original Message -   From: brendamanning   To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au   Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 9:58 AM  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] fetal path to obesity   
 This is an "I remember" tale...I would really hate us to go back to those days of obsessive weighing of women  them dreading the weekly pregnancy check because they'd be 'told off' for gaining weight. Some women even used it as an excuse not to attend pregnancy checks at all, especially the bigger women who we know are high risk.  Those were awful times where women were treated like naughty girls instead of responsible women who ought to be deciding (with the appropriate info)what's bestfor the health of themselves  their baby.  There is always a 'policeman' with theweighing system, usually it's the !
 weigher
 (ie the midwife) no one likes them, it's verybad for mother/midwife rapport.Educating the mothers re healthy diets is the key as that's why they gained the excessweight initiallyduring pregnancy, (unhealthy eating patterns)unless they were underweight when they became pregnant ( very common with the 'lolly-pop' look nowadays). So they need education about healthy food choices after weaning from the breast for their children.  Just my 2c worth, I hated with a passion hearing women worrying about:  'putting on too much weight, the doctor will tell me off'. It's s demeaning ! They aren't naughty school girls  it reinforces that patriarchal"doctor is God' handing down sentences  orderstriad.With kind regardsBrenda Manning www.themidwife.com.au- Original Message -   From: Helen and Graham   To: ozmidwifery   Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 9:19 PM  Subject: [ozmidwifery] fetal path to obesityhttp://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,17432980%255E23289,00.htmlPrint this page Fetal path to adult obesityClara
 Pirani02dec05PREGNANT women who gain too much weight under the guise of "eating for two" may be guaranteeing their children have a lifelong battle with obesity.Two studies that will be published in next week's New Scientist journal found women who gain too much weight during pregnancy are far more likely to have overweight or obese children.   One study, from a team at Harvard University in the US, found that even women who followed their doctor's advice and gained a "safe" amount of weight were still likely to have overweight children.   The Harvard study divided 770 expectant mothers into three groups - those who gained an "inadequate", "adequate" and "excessive" amount of weight - based on the US Institute of Medicine's guidelines that women should gain between 12kg and 16kg.   Children born to women who gained an adequate or ex!
 cessive
 amount of weight were, on average, already overweight by the age of three.   "Only the inadequate group - a weight gain of less than 11.5kg - gives a result that is where you want to be," Harvard University researcher Matthew Gillman said.   Researchers believe that during gestation the baby's metabolism - including the hunger and satiety signals that tell people when to stop eating - is still developing and babies become accustomed to having too much food.   Julie Owens, a researcher at the University of Adelaide's centre for reproductive health, said that while there was no exact guide to how much weight a women should gain, it was important women did not use pregnancy as an excuse to overeat.  privacy terms © The Australian 
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[ozmidwifery] active birth workshop

[Emily]

hi  is anyone going to the birth international active birth workshop on november 28 and 29 ?   emily
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RE: [ozmidwifery] Re: [hbo] Check out Hudson Valley Lactivism

[Emily]

hi everyone
thanks for the replies. its so good to hear of people working like i hope to. you have all these ideas but are never sure of whether theyre feasible until you know others have been there !
what lucky babies you all have :)
love emily

Julie Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:









Hi
I also brought my baby to work… as a childbirth and parenting educator.. it was wonderful for everyone in the group too.
Ryan was only about 6 weeks old when I commenced teaching again after having him, so I would put him in his little frazer chair and he would sit and look at everyone and the couples would sit and watch him too, it was such a lovely experience for them all – I was able to teach them lots about breastfeeding and how to read babies signals – I am sure they learn’t a lot about babies in the most effective way. It was so funny to see their faces when he would do noisy poos – we had such a lot of laughs and then of course when we’d laugh he’d startle so we had to quieten down – it was all wonderful for their learning experience. When he needed a nappy change I would call Geoff and he would come and collect him and change him and then deliver him back again for another feed – great for the Dad’s to see Geoff’s involvement role modeled for them - I should not ha!
 ve
 stopped having babies J 
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From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Sue CooksonSent: Thursday, 10 November 2005 1:47 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: [hbo] Check out Hudson Valley Lactivism

Hi ,I took each of my 4 children to births with me over many years. they obviously didn't need to come once they were weaned but if i thought i might be away for a fair while then the toddlers came too. i had some problems with one of mine, my only boy, who seemed to not be able to hang in so well, so he stopped coming along at about 8 months which did add to my partner's workload (had to bring him to me a number of times at long labours). i have very distinct memories of my babies sitting watching, or sleeping, or once i had to leave my 12 month old at the door as the house was a 'no food inside' place and she was chewing on a biscuit. i used to work alone, so for some of the longer drives etc i would take my sister or an older child as my support person. none of the families ever complained or asked me not to bring my children ... tessa went to many births in this capac!
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hi everyone

anyone know of any similar groups in australia? i liked their idea of handing out information at public places re breastfeeding laws and rights to increase awareness and acceptance. going in to workplaces to educate workers about rights for breastfeeding/expressing breaks and providing legal support for discrimination sounds great too.. how many australian employers would hire someone known to be breastfeeding who needed breaks every few hours? probably few and i think people would be too scared to ask . ideally i think we need to move towards more baby friendly workplaces where bubs go along with mum to work, like in most places in the world. but it sounds too extreme to even bring up in our current cultural climate of children and work life being so separate

do many of you have experience of working witha baby in tow? do the hb mw's take their babies to births at all?

love emily


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hi everyone
anyone know of any similar groups in australia? i liked their idea of handing out information at public places re breastfeeding laws and rights to increase awareness and acceptance. going in to workplaces to educate workers about rights for breastfeeding/expressing breaks and providing legal support for discrimination sounds great too.. how many australian employers would hire someone known to be breastfeeding who needed breaks every few hours? probably few and i think people would be too scared to ask . ideally i think we need to move towards more baby friendly workplaces where bubs go along with mum to work, like in most places in the world. but it sounds too extreme to even bring up in our current cultural climate of children and work life being so separate
do many of you have experience of working witha baby in tow? do the hb mw's take their babies to births at all?
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Re: [ozmidwifery] outdoor birth in media!!

[Emily]

hey
did anyone see the birth on home and away tonight (tuesday) ??although it still came with the drama and devastation that always seems to come with soap opera birth, i was amazed to see this girl give birth outdoors on a rug with only her boyfriend helping. how fantastic! although it was presented as being a terrible tragedy that she didnt make it to hospital for her caesar, it was pretty cool for a soapie !
well done home and away - just make the mum live next time :)
love emilydiane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Thanks Michelle, will only be in Mackay on Fri and Sat (11-12 Nov) so will have to try my luck on the Friday. 
Thanks
Di

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To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 8:04 AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Mackay

Hi Di,

I'm sure it will be fine for you to come and have a look through. The Birth Centre number is: 49 686404. Our appointment days are Tues-Thurs, but on Mon  Fri we may or may not be there (doing home visits etc). Hope to catch up with you.

Cheers
Michellediane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:




Hi to the Mackay Midwives, 

I am going to be in Mackay for a few days next month and wondering if I can come and see your Birth Centre. Any suggestions on who to contact to arrange this. I am interested in how different midwifery models arrange their work as we are trying to get a caseload model up and running at Wyong (near Gosford). My husband would love to move there too but Im not sure I could handle the humidity!
Cheers,
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Re: [ozmidwifery] outdoor birth in media!!

[Emily]

hi di
oh i would love to come out to wyong soon and learn from you ! to tell you the quiet truth im pretty disapointed with gosford so far.. had an 'interesting' talk with dr palmer (the VMO) the other day.. anyway i shouldnt winge 
would you mind me joining you for a shift next week? i would love to work with someone off ozmid. if thatd be ok, let me know when your shifts are and ill see when i can come out. 

haha im not so busy this year and i had seen an ad saying the birth would be tonight so i made sure i watched it. i was expecting it to be just like all the other 'hospital lie on your back and do what youre told soapie births' id seen, so i was pretty stoked. my flatmates think im truly mad :) 
emily

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Gee Emily, didnt think you med students would have time to sit and watch the soapies! (or to admit to it!! ;-) .
No didnt see it , but always an emergency on the soaps. One show on Foxtel (? Love my Way, the one with Claudia Carven ) had a homebirth in the first episode, was a lovely straight forward normal waterbirth in the kiddy pool in the trendy courtyard.
How is the Gosford placement going? Had a lovely birth at Wyong this morning, but Mum got out of the bath cause it was getting a bit mucky, I re ran the bath while she was in shower but didnt pay attention to the temperature. When she got back in it was still quite cool, then all of a sudden the bub decided to come down past the lip that had persisted for 30 mins prior, so had to ask her to hop out of the water cause it was too cold. Was thinking it might have been a bit of a fetus ejection reflex in response to the cold water? Anyway had a lovely 4kg girl 
Cheers
Di

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Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 8:19 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] outdoor birth in media!!

hey
did anyone see the birth on home and away tonight (tuesday) ??although it still came with the drama and devastation that always seems to come with soap opera birth, i was amazed to see this girl give birth outdoors on a rug with only her boyfriend helping. how fantastic! although it was presented as being a terrible tragedy that she didnt make it to hospital for her caesar, it was pretty cool for a soapie !
well done home and away - just make the mum live next time :)
love emilydiane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Thanks Michelle, will only be in Mackay on Fri and Sat (11-12 Nov) so will have to try my luck on the Friday. 
Thanks
Di

- Original Message - 
From: Michelle Windsor
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 8:04 AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Mackay

Hi Di,

I'm sure it will be fine for you to come and have a look through. The Birth Centre number is: 49 686404. Our appointment days are Tues-Thurs, but on Mon  Fri we may or may not be there (doing home visits etc). Hope to catch up with you.

Cheers
Michellediane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:




Hi to the Mackay Midwives, 

I am going to be in Mackay for a few days next month and wondering if I can come and see your Birth Centre. Any suggestions on who to contact to arrange this. I am interested in how different midwifery models arrange their work as we are trying to get a caseload model up and running at Wyong (near Gosford). My husband would love to move there too but Im not sure I could handle the humidity!
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Re: [ozmidwifery] 'Breech birth woman wise'

[Emily]

Congratulations Tina,
i havebeen present atone breech birth and i got that crazy feeling for days as well and could barely understand why everyone wasnt as excited as me !! its such a high to see a woman so sure of her ability. the woman i was with just couldnt understand the big fuss, shed say 'ive pushed out two babies before, why couldnt i do it this time?' so she did.
the nice ob andrew bisits was present and similarly stood in the back and watched andonly spoke once briefly its magic isnt it?
love emily

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How wonderful - and who is this lovely obstetrician who can be silent and still in this situation??? Can we clone him?
Sue
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing"Edmund Burke

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Cc: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 4:15 PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] 'Breech birth woman wise'



Hi everyone,tis me againjust wanted to share with you that last Friday while I was working in our family birthing unit I had the most awesome of experiences.. being midwife for a woman with an undiagnosed breech birthWoo Hoo!!! Poor Janine and my fellow midwives at Geelong have had to put up with me walking around with a smile too big for my facesimply one of the most awesome births I have witnessed as this strong and powerful woman birthed her breech baby in the standing position.The baby, a frank breech, just birthed beautifully into my and the woman's third year B Mid follow thru students handsIt was truly and all BMid affair, with the birthing woman herself a 3rd year BMid student!!!

What also adds to the splendor of this birth was that unbeknown to the BMid student and I, the consultant obstetrican did make into the birth but just kept quiet and stood at the back of the room and watched as we facilitated the birth (well we did nothing really as 'hands off the breech' came flooding back from my midwifery education) we just supported/reassured and held the space for the woman who stood strong and powerful and breathed out her baby daughter.I can't stop smiling as on reflection I can't believe that this OB got to witness 'breech birth woman wise'a totally midwifery approach to breech birth!!

The baby was born in good condition, Apgars of 6 at 1 and 9 at 5...a quick check over by the paed and she was straight back into her mothers armsthe birth topped off with a wonderful physiological third stage!! 

For those of you close to me, you know that I have had a rough trot the past few months with my midwiferybut such experiences as this help to restore one's faith in the 'power of woman' and reignite the spark that fuels the flame of my passion for midwifery and woman's innate knowlege and wisdom to birth. Trusting in the process of birth, women, and our skills as midwives has always been at the core of my midwifery philosophy...to truly work in partnership with women and trust in their innate abilities to birth safely and joyously is a totally empowering experience...not just for the woman but also for the midwife!!! Maggie Bank's book 'breech birth woman wise' has taken on a whole new meaning for meI continue to be amazed at what woman teach us if we are just humble enough to watch and listen.

Yours in reforming midwifery,Tina Pettigrew.



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Re: [ozmidwifery] Infant Sleep

[Emily]

hi there
im vegan so heres a few yummy dairy free breakfast ideas: u can use rice or soy milk on cereals
- porridge with tahini, honeyand fruit
- corn puffs (organic bags sold in coles and woolies) with fruit and soy yoghurt
- weet-bix are dairy free too
- rye toast with avocado and tomato / baked beans (protein) / tahini and fruit / soy cream cheese and tomato
- you can get nuttelex margarine if you miss butter 
- you can use silken tofu to make a scramble sort of like scrambled eggs and add whatever you like to it (tomato, parsely, herbs)
- soy milk smoothies with fruit, honey and cinnamon
..
etc etc
hope you (and bub) enjoy
love emilyPinky McKay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
??porridge/ buckwheat pancakes without eggs? wholemeal toast and jam/ honey/ avocado/ banana?It really is a change of mindset isnt it?- Original Message - From: "JoFromOz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 10:38 PMSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Infant Sleep Pinky McKay wrote: Jo- as I am researching for sleep book - in one sleep study in UK - 12 %  of bubs for whom no other reason for sleeplessnes was discovred, were  found to be sensitive to dairy- dairy removed for 5 weeks and then  challenged - all but one bub reacted again with sleeplessness. Bubs  challenged again 12 months later and 10 / 15 still reacted. Allergic  symptoms are not necessarily gut related - there is also a diff !
 between
  food allergy and intolerance. Would be very suss if your breastfed bub  has excema that he is sensitive to something dietary. You would need to  eliminate ALL dairy - including milk in bought biscuits/ yoghurt etc etc  for at least ten days - but it could be worth a try. Pinky Oh wow, I didn't realise it could show up in non-gut ways. Ok, this could  be tough, but hell, it's worth it. Eggs on toast for breakfast for me!  (no butter). Could he be sensitive to eggs, too? Damn, fruit for  breakfast... ;) Thanks :) Jo -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe. --This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics.Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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[ozmidwifery] gosford mws

[Emily]

hi 
i was just wondering if anyone from this list works at gosford hospital as i just started a placement there
love emilybrendamanning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:








Yes, too small in the actual unit.
Only bath size.
Kind RegardsBrenda Manning www.themidwife.com.au

- Original Message - 
From: Kelly @ BellyBelly 
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 3:30 PM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Birth Pool Hire


Yep - she said the pool there was small and wanted a bigger one?

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From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of brendamanningSent: Friday, 14 October 2005 1:56 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Birth Pool Hire


Kelly,



Does this client know that Wonthaggi Hospital has a lovely midwife led team there who do waterbirths?

Their team leader  I used to do homebirths here together  they are part of BAss Coast Health at Wonthahaggi. One of the MW on their team is having a homebirth herself shortly  is hiring Andrea Bilcliffs pool for it.



Waterbirths are my special area of interest !



Kind RegardsBrenda Manning www.themidwife.com.au


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To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 

Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 10:40 AM

Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Birth Pool Hire


Here are the details of the woman looking for a pool, anyone?

Hi Kelly,

thankyou for your offer of more information.

We live in a small town in South Gippsland called Glen Alvie. The nearest major towns are Leongatha (where the hospital we have chosen is), Korumburra and Wonthaggi, not too far away is Phillip Island. The closest bigger towns are Cranbourne and then Dandenong. I am hoping to be able to hire a pool from one of those places, obviously the closer to the hospital the better I guess.

Our EDD is April 19th 2006 so we have lots of time to plan.

If you need any more information please let me know and thanks again for your help.

Vanessa


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From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Mary MurphySent: Thursday, 13 October 2005 9:05 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Birth Pool Hire

The Midwifery  Natural Childbirth Centre at 336 Oxford St Leederville W.A. Ph 08 92423330. email [EMAIL PROTECTED]. We have 5. MM





From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Kelly @ BellyBellySent: Thursday, 13 October 2005 12:14 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] Birth Pool Hire

Hello everyone,

I’m just wondering if everyone could please let me know who hires out birth pools around Australia - women often ask where they can hire them in my forums so I may as well put a list together and pop it in my waterbirth article I have too.

There is someone asking about Victoria at the moment but I would love to put together a list for all states J
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Re: [ozmidwifery] NYTimes.com: 'Mothering the Mother' During Childbirth, and After

[Emily]

hi everyone
CTGs are one of my biggest fury-builders !!

im not suretheres evenevidence thats they are beneficial for high risk pregnancies ? ..
the only benefit i can find in the literature is that routine CTG decreases the risk of neonatal seizures. However it also increases the chance of caesarean and operative vaginal delivery andis not associated with any improvement in 1 minute apgars or decreases in admissions to NICU, perinatal deaths or cerebal palsy. These results are from a study of over 18 000 women.

when you add in the movement limitation in labour, impossibility of water immersion for labour or birth, inconvenience, stress, increase in workload and less focus on the woman and her family, seems that a small decrease in neonatal seizures doesnt really cut it..

please correct me if im wrong but these are the only studies i could find

It is also interesting to look at the use of CTG in pregnancy. in a study of 1588 high and intermediate risk pregnancies, CTG was found to have no effect on fetalmorbidity or mortality or maternal mortality when used during pregnancy. further, in this study,the CTG group had a HIGHER perinatal mortality rate !!!



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That is so true !
CTG technicians!!
Don't laugh, it'll probably happen. 
Isn't that basically what the FDU at MMC do? 
It is appropriatefor high risk infants obviously but these things do have a tendency to spread to encompass the normal in my experience.

BM

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It's cynicism based on reality Brenda. Midwives in hospital could often be called monitoring technicians based on my recent experience. They should have someone else attend the monitors so the midwives can actually pay some attention to the birthing woman. Oh how I hate those monitors!

Yvette

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I really see this as the future of midwifery/pregnancy carein Australia.

Midwives will be the technicians  Doulas the care-givers.

Or is that just pure cynicism?

BM

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The stories behind this need are to me a sad reflection on the US health system which our federal govt is pushing us to immulate! !

Denise Hynd

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Re: [ozmidwifery] what babies want

[Emily]

hi
does anyone know where i can get a copy of the DVD 'What Babies Want' ?i saw it on the waterbirth international site but since its aUS siteit would bean expensive way of getting it.
thanks alot
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Re: [ozmidwifery] water birthing/labouring advice

[Emily]

a folded towel under the knees ?Helen and Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:




Do the women need something softer to kneel on when in the bath and if sowhat doyouuse for this?

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Re: [ozmidwifery] Midwifery-led units - warning, a bit of a rave!

[Emily]

wow
does she not know of colostrum?
or the link b/w early feeds and breastfeeding success
?
or think women may miss their bub?
how strange.


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 - how about the 'woman friendly birth centre'?
 
 There's a lot of different definitions of that one.
 Just had a placement 
 with a m/w who promoted woman-friendly over
 baby-friendly. Her idea of w-f 
 was to have longer hospital stays, baby in nursery,
 bottlefed until woman's 
 milk comes in. She theorised that it would give
 mother a chance to sleep, 
 recover from the birth, and remove the stress of a
 hungry baby unable to 
 feed.
 
 Just doesn't gel to me.
 
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Friend with breach baby...told CS only options.

[Emily]

hi Debbie,
if shes anywhere near newcatle, tell her to go to
Andrew Bisits at john hunter. he really is a lovely
and respectful man and has strong points against the
term breech trial that he explains to all women in
written info. the MWs at jhh are also experienced and
they catch the breech babies with dr bisits in
attendance. 
(also im sure theres quite a few home birth MWs who
are equally experienced and would take her on)
its so sad to see day after day women going for
caesars when the only indication is breech.. 
love emily

--- Janet Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi Debbie,
 oddly enough I too know 2 women in exactly this
 position atm. The dangers of choosing a surgeon for
 the care of a perfectly normal pregnancy are
 becoming clear at this point.
 There's an OB at JHH that deigns to catch breech
 babies - Andrew Bisits (sp?) - so perhaps he's one
 to try. I can't imagine agreeing to major surgery,
 with it's attendant risks, but I also can't imagine
 trying to birth my baby with a bunch of cranky
 onlookers. Women are just plain screwed in this
 scenario and it drives me into a rage. I shall
 content myself with sharing the info on turning
 breech babies I seem to have been supplying on a
 daily basis this week.
 
 One midwife’s collection of breech turning info.
 http://gentlebirth.org/Midwife/breechcl.html
 
 Attending a breech birth.
 http://gentlebirth.org/Midwife/breechbr.html
 
 Turning a breech.
 http://gentlebirth.org/Midwife/breechtn.html
 
 Book review on breech babies.
 http://www.midwiferytoday.com/reviews/breech.asp
 
 Ina May Gaskin on catching surprise breech babies!

http://www.midwiferytoday.com/articles/3surprisebreeches.asp
 
 Homeopathy to turn babies in utero.
 http://www.midwiferytoday.com/articles/turnbaby.asp
 
 A great site on moving breech babies.
 http://www.spinningbabies.com
 
 A Natural Breech Birth - hospital
 http://www.lalecheleague.org/NB/NBMarApr01p47.html
 
 More than you could ever hope for from the UK
 midwives (I love these women!)
 http://www.radmid.demon.co.uk/breech.htm
 
 About 500 birth stories with clear descriptions.
 http://www.breechbabies.com/hospital_breech.htm
 
 Here's our OFP thread on NP.

http://www.forums.naturalparenting.com.au/showthread.php?t=4423highlight=optimal+foetal
 
 I wonder if I know at least one of those women?
 All love and strength to her.
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Re: [ozmidwifery] missed messages

[Emily]

no check your spam box

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 The list has been having a quiet patch there are
 times when we don't 
 all want to talk at once!
 
 Cheers
 
 Andrea
 
 
 
 At 07:44 AM 9/09/2005, you wrote:
 Hi everyone
 has the list been quiet, or have messages not been
 getting through
 I recieved no messages on the 7th and only a few
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 Anyone else having this hassle?
 
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: Breech Babies

[Emily]

hi everyone
there is still one obs i know of who women from all over NSW go to for their breech births. i was 
lucky enough to be at one breech birth with him and he was fantastic and very respectful and 
stood back and didnt actually do anything. there was no intervention whatsoever. intermittent auscultation, no IV, no epidural, no episiotomy, no forceps. actually she was born on a birth stool. he believes the term breech trial is highly flawed as i do and gives the families typed handouts about what the background of the trial, why he thinks its flawed and why he continues to attend breech births as well as possible risks etc. 
the best obs ive ever met for sure! even the other obs at the same hospital think hes mad
love emily

Miriam Hannay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I totally understand, Susan about the whole fear ofbreech birth. We have a couple of OBs who will 'let'women birth a breech babe vaginally, but fullymanaged, IOL, 16 gauge bores in both arms, hartmann'sup, McRoberts, episi, full extraction. To me thisseems torture. I am a second year Bmid student andintending to go into independent practice, so amavailing myself of every extra learning opportunityavailable.A fellow student and I (my lovely partner in crime),attended Maggie Banks' emergency skills workshop inMelbourne recently which was SO valuable, and we feelmuch more comfortable about the possibility now. I have a dear friend whose first 'catch' as an RM wasan undiagnosed breech at home, so it does happen. Weneed to be prepared and develop the skills to handlethis situation. What a shame and potential d!
 anger
 itis if these skills fall by the way.Everyone who can should hear Maggie Banks speak, shedispells fears and demystifies like no-one else.Regards, Miriam (FUSA)--- Susan Cudlipp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: Yes it was Brenda who wrote that, but I have also been a midwife long enough  to have seen many breech births - back in the UK, and delivered a few  myself. Not all good, mostly quite 'managed' but at least they were mostly  seen as being manageable vaginally! My own elective C/S (nearly 21 years old  now!) was for primip breech, although I was given the choice of vaginal  birth, I knew just what that would entail within the large unit that I was  obliged to attend - epidural, forceps, episiotomy, and I chose not to go  there, however at that time there was no question that I would not be able  to hav!
 e VBAC
 with the next - nowadays that is not so.  A year or so back we had a multi with a breech who was lucky enough to see a  less interventionist OB (as you so rightly guessed Melissa :-)) and she  chose to have a vaginal birth. Of course it had to be induced on the 'right'  day, but was very straight forward. Apart from that  we really don't see  them anymore, and at least one of the few docs who does do them does such a  horrendous job that I would personally prefer a C/S rather than submit to  his handling.( you can probably guess that one too Mel!)  It is sad that student midwives today will not learn these essential skills  within the hospital system. Personally I feel confident that I can handle  an unexpected breech, but cannot see how the next generation are going to  cope with this!
 , there
 is so much fear of what is really only a different  variety of birth, in the same way that any 'different' presentation is.  Anyone who has had the pleasure of hearing Maggie Banks speak, watched her  video, or that of Michel Odent's work in Pithiers will know that this is  true  Rachel, I totally empathise with how you are feeling having just come to  Australia from the UK (been here 15 years myself).  It was a real shock to  me to see how much all births are seen as being the doctor's property. One  of my first births here was in a small hospital and I called the GP as per  protocol. He arrived as I had the head in my hands and proceeded to rush  in, without even washing his hands and virtually pushed me out of the way!  I looked at him with horror and said quietly " I think I may as well fi!
 nish
  the job now don't you?" He did step back and let me finish. Some years  later he admitted that he had learned a few things from me - one of which  was to wait for restitution before trying to deliver the shoulders! They  were always in such a goddamn hurry to drag the baby out, it drove me mad.   When they are faced with an 'expert' obstetrician (often a male authority   figure) telling them their baby is in danger - they will chose to protect   their child because as a mother that is their instinct.  An example of this happened to me just this week - the head was well and  truly crowned (primip, long labour, NO fetal distress) but OB insisted on  listening to FH immediately ctx ended - it was about 100, and he took over  from me to apply forceps. I was not con!
 cerned
 for the baby as I knew there  had been no compromise throughout and that he would be born within minutes,  but within the system I am obliged to defer

Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: 'Higher risk' in midwife deliveries (http://theaustralian.com.au report)

[Emily]

can you let us know how the c-section conference goes Rachel ? 
emilywump fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thanks Denise! What a lovely response.Moving to Australia has re-ignited my fighting spirit regarding women's birth rights. There is so much to fight for and so many motivated, strong midwives and birthing women. I am looking forward to what we can all achieve together for the future of childbirth in Australia.By the way, is anyone going to the Wesley Hospital (Qld) on Saturday for the 'C-section: the way of the future' conference? Should be interesting/infuriating.RachelFrom: "Denise Hynd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auTo: Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: 'Higher risk' in midwife deliveries (http://theaustralian.com.au report)Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 18:18:02 +0800Dear RachelI find your fe!
 dd back
 very perceptiveit seems that the obs are behavinglike threatened children.And previouslyRegarding the 3rd degree tear stats. I would be interested to know wherethis research is from. As far a I know no-one has researched physiologicalbirth and it's impact on the perineum - probably because so few womenexperience it.I hope all future midwives have half the abilities you have shown on this list in only 2 emailsYou have given me great cheer for the futre of midwifery!!Denise Hynd"Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for the sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our bodies will be handled."- Linda Hes- Original Message - From: "wump fish" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To:
 Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 12:02 PMSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Fw: 'Higher risk' in midwife deliveries (http://theaustralian.com.au report)As a newcomer to Australia from the UK - it seems that the obs are behaving like threatened children.Firstly, their stats can flawed. Other developed countries have also looked at the evidence and concluded that midwife-led, community-based care is effective, efficient and safe. For example, the UK is moving towards a midwifery-led birth centre model based on research about what women want and what is safe.Secondly, even if midwifery-led birth is unsafe (which it is not). Surely women's right to choose this option should be maintained. Women should be able to access a wide range of birth options from independent mws to
 elective c-section. Interesting that a woman's right to opt for an elective c-section/induction is upheld by the obs despite the wealth of research demonstrating it is not the safest choice for mother or baby. However, they want to block a woman's right to choose midwifery-led care based on safety claims. Is this about safety or power?I am deeply disturbed by the amount of hostility directed at mws by obs. We should be working together - mw being the experts in physiological birth, and obs being the experts in complicated birth.RachelFrom: "Sally-Anne Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auTo: Subject: [ozmidwifery] Fw: 'Higher risk' in midwife deliveries (http://theaustralia!
 n.com.au
 report)Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 08:23:49 +1000- Original Message -From: SallyTo: Sally-Anne BrownSent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 8:11 AMSubject: 'Higher risk' in midwife deliveries (http://theaustralian.com.au report) Sally ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) suggested you might be interested in this http://theaustralian.com.au report. 'Higher risk' in midwife deliveries Adam Cresswell, Health editor 30 August 2005 THE safety of midwife-led birthing units has been doubted and the most reliable evidence suggests babies born in such centres are 85 per cent more likely to die during or shortly after birth, compared with babies!
  born in
 major hospitals. Leading obstetrician Andrew Pesce said yesterday that a review by the international Cochrane Collaboration - considered the best source of evidence for medical claims - found that home-like settings for births were associated with "modest benefits". Dr Pesce said these benefits included higher rates of breastfeeding, more satisfied mothers and slightly higher rates of spontaneous vaginal childbirth (as opposed to surgical deliveries). However, the Sydney-based Dr Pesce - who is also secretary of the industrial lobby group the National Association of Specialist Obstetricians and Gynaecologists - said the review, published late last year, also found babies born in home-like settings such as midwife-run centr!
 es ran an
 85 per cent higher risk of death around the time of childbirth. However, the overall rate is still very low - about eight babies in 1000 live births in 2002, according to the Australian Bureau of Statistics. Dr Pesce also said studies that midwives sometimes used to back up their safety claims were scientifically inferior, usually because their subjects were not randomised - an accepted technique to remove bias. "Everybody says it's been 

Re: [ozmidwifery] hep C

[Emily]

hi Lieve
the risk of transmission to bub in utero and during birth is low, although it is increased if mum is also HIV-positive. it is safe to breastfeed with hep C unless there are cracked or bleeding nipples - at which time there is a risk of transmission. so if its just on one side, bub can feed of the other side until its healed. if both nipples are affected shed have to decide whether to artifically feed until healed or risk transmission. 
hope that helps 
emilyLieve Huybrechts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Hoi friends,

Can I ask a question to you knowledged wives
How do I have handle a woman who was infected with hep C and is pregnant now. She wants a homebirth. She has also a history of drugaddiction, but seems to be clean now.
What are the risks, do we have to take special care for her the baby and ourself?


By the way , the language in the breastfeeding video is Hebrew, it is made in Israël

warm greetings
Lieve

Lieve Huybrechts
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RE: [ozmidwifery] hep C

[Emily]

hi 
universal precautions would say to treat everyone as though theyre infected with blood borne viruses. i wouldnt hesitate to offer her a home birth purely because of the hep C. cover your cuts well, wear gloves and eye protection and try to avoid body fluid contact but remember the vast vast majority of hep C transmission is via IV drug use. even with sexual conact, only 1-2% of longt term partners become infected.
i dont even think you could refuse her on the basis of her carrier status it would be discrimination. 
good luck :)
love emilyLieve Huybrechts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Hoi Emily,

thanks for your reply. I also found a lot of information on internet and talked to collegue midwives, but there was one question that remained unanswered: 
How is the risk for the midwife to get infected, are there special things that we have to do to protect ourselves, would it be a contraindication for homebirth?
It is not that I am afraid, but I work in a practice with other colleagues and one of them is really scared to death and wants to refuse the mother. I want to have a lot of information to convince her that there is no problem and that we have to give the mother a chance to give birth at home.

Lieve


Lieve Huybrechts
vroedvrouw
0477/740853


-Oorspronkelijk bericht-Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Namens EmilyVerzonden: maandag 29 augustus 2005 9:45Aan: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auOnderwerp: Re: [ozmidwifery] hep C
hi Lieve
the risk of transmission to bub in utero and during birth is low, although it is increased if mum is also HIV-positive. it is safe to breastfeed with hep C unless there are cracked or bleeding nipples - at which time there is a risk of transmission. so if its just on one side, bub can feed of the other side until its healed. if both nipples are affected shed have to decide whether to artifically feed until healed or risk transmission. 
hope that helps 
emilyLieve Huybrechts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Hoi friends,

Can I ask a question to you knowledged wives
How do I have handle a woman who was infected with hep C and is pregnant now. She wants a homebirth. She has also a history of drugaddiction, but seems to be clean now.
What are the risks, do we have to take special care for her the baby and ourself?


By the way , the language in the breastfeeding video is Hebrew, it is made in Israël

warm greetings
Lieve

Lieve Huybrechts
vroedvrouw
0477/740853

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RE: [ozmidwifery] if mother wants to be directed for pushing

[Emily]

i have been wondering lately about the other side of
things. i was with a woman last week who was feeling
strong urges to push and was pushing involuntarily at
the peak of each contraction from about 4cm. she only
had two VEs - 4cm and 6cm. about half an hour after
the  6cm one everyone was still talking her through
breathing through the contractions and trying not to
push. she had been doing a lot of poo so i checked her
to clean her up again and there i see half a little
head sitting on her peri. the poor poor lady still
trying not to push through that.
i feel awful that she never got to go with her urges.
so what is the alternative? should women go with what
their body tells them to do if that means pushing way
before they're fully? she sustained quite a bad
posterior vaginal wall tear as well - would this be
related at all to pushing before full dilation?

love to hear your opinions because i really did feel
bad for this poor lady having to fight her urges. she
had so much faith in everyone..

((anyway after all that she was very satisfied with
her birth, had 8 of her family including her
grandfather with her and a lovely baby girl.))
love emily


--- jo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 InterestingI work with our local homebirth
 midwife as a doula and we had
 a client a few weeks back who never had the urge to
 push, baby was finally
 born about 51/2 hours after full dilation. The urge
 never came to her, she
 actively pushed towards the end - not directed by
 anyone...although not
 naturally occurring pushes.
 
 Jo Hunter
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Päivi
 Sent: Thursday, 25 August 2005 7:31 AM
 To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
 Subject: [ozmidwifery] if mother wants to be
 directed for pushing
 
 Hi again,
 
 Like I told you earlier, I have just started a
 childbirth education program.
 
 One of my students just gave birth and had a quick
 and straight forward 
 unmedicated 1st stage, but ended up pushing for
 1.45minutes. She said she 
 had no idea, what she had to do and told very
 clearly to the midwife to 
 direct her for pushing. I had promised to be her
 doula if she felt she 
 needed me, but since it all went so quickly, she
 never called me. I was just
 
 wondering how I would have reacted to the situation
 if I was there, since 
 during the training we emphasized spontanious
 pushing, waiting for the urge 
 to push and following your own feelings. I noticed
 there was discussion 
 about pushing here a week ago and I read the
 wonderful artickle by Gloria 
 Lemay too. But what if the mom wants to be directed?
 Do you ever direct a 
 woman in 2nd stage and if so, how?
 The bag of waters was broken in the end of
 transition and water was green. 
 She was also given syntocin 40 minutes after she
 started pushing, because 
 the contractions were getting less powerful... She
 said she never felt a 
 real urge to push. She was pushing on all-fours and
 on the low birthing 
 stool. The baby was average size. Do you find, that
 not all women get the 
 powerful urge to push, or is it just a matter of
 waiting enaugh?
 In my own two births I never found the pushing very
 painful, but was not 
 given syntocin either. Does the syntocin make the
 2nd stage more painful? 
 Many questions again... would like to hear about
 your experience.
 
 Paivi
 Childbirth educator 
 
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Re: [ozmidwifery] BF video

[Emily]

i would love this too if not too much trouble
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haha babies are so one-minded hey? i dont mind if mums
busy doing yoga i want some! 

--- Debbie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Would love to have the video please
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ta Debbie
 - Original Message -
 From: Judy Chapman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
 Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 8:52 AM
 Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] BF video
 
 
  That would be great Vedrana, please do.
  It is such a hoot.
  What is the language in the song?
  Cheers
  Judy
 
  --- Vedrana Valèiæ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   Judy
   I have the video and can send it, my line is
 quite fast.
  
   Vedrana
  
   -Original Message-
   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of
   Judy Chapman
   Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 1:42 PM
   To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
   Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] BF video
  
   Any more takers for this one???
   It will take a while for me on my slow line to
 upload.
   I will try to get on line about lunch time
 tomorrow to send to
   those who say.
   Cheers
   Judy
  
   --- Kate /or Nick [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
  
Ditto please
   
Kate
   
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  - Original Message -
  From: Denise Hynd
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
  Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 6:15 PM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] BF video
   
   
  Judy
  can you send it to me?
  Thank you
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Denise Hynd
   
  Let us support one another, not just in
 philosophy but in
action, for the sake of freedom for all women
 to choose
exactly how and by whom, if by anyone, our
 bodies will be
handled.
   
  - Linda Hes
   
- Original Message -
From: Judy Chapman
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 3:35 PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] BF video
   
   
I have just been sent a hilarious video
 (2MB). Mum doing
   a
yoga handstand, baby crawling and knows where
 the good stuff
comes from... Need I say more.
What a laugh.
On a par with one of my bellydance mates
 who is still BF
   a
2 yr old. 10 min prior to performance it was a
 loud Titta,
Mum, Titta and when side one was finished
 Other side Mum,
other side.
God love 'em.
Cheers
Judy
   
   
   
  
 

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Re: [ozmidwifery] if mother wants to be directed for pushing

[Emily]

yeh i realise that :)
i just thought it might have been because of the
pelvic floor being tensed up and hence tearing more
easily once the head did reach there
surely if youre fighting your intuition, youll be more
tense and tissues less flexible
?

 Emily,
 
 I don't think you could get a post vag wall lac
 prior to being fully because 
 the head ( which does the tearing) is not on the
 pelvic floor before the Cx 
 is fully.
 
 Must be another explanation.
 
 BM
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Emily [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
 Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 11:08 AM
 Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] if mother wants to be
 directed for pushing
 
 
 i have been wondering lately about the other side
 of
  things. i was with a woman last week who was
 feeling
  strong urges to push and was pushing involuntarily
 at
  the peak of each contraction from about 4cm. she
 only
  had two VEs - 4cm and 6cm. about half an hour
 after
  the  6cm one everyone was still talking her
 through
  breathing through the contractions and trying not
 to
  push. she had been doing a lot of poo so i checked
 her
  to clean her up again and there i see half a
 little
  head sitting on her peri. the poor poor lady still
  trying not to push through that.
  i feel awful that she never got to go with her
 urges.
  so what is the alternative? should women go with
 what
  their body tells them to do if that means pushing
 way
  before they're fully? she sustained quite a bad
  posterior vaginal wall tear as well - would this
 be
  related at all to pushing before full dilation?
 
  love to hear your opinions because i really did
 feel
  bad for this poor lady having to fight her urges.
 she
  had so much faith in everyone..
 
  ((anyway after all that she was very satisfied
 with
  her birth, had 8 of her family including her
  grandfather with her and a lovely baby girl.))
  love emily
 
 
  --- jo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  InterestingI work with our local homebirth
  midwife as a doula and we had
  a client a few weeks back who never had the urge
 to
  push, baby was finally
  born about 51/2 hours after full dilation. The
 urge
  never came to her, she
  actively pushed towards the end - not directed by
  anyone...although not
  naturally occurring pushes.
 
  Jo Hunter
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
  Behalf Of Päivi
  Sent: Thursday, 25 August 2005 7:31 AM
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] if mother wants to be
  directed for pushing
 
  Hi again,
 
  Like I told you earlier, I have just started a
  childbirth education program.
 
  One of my students just gave birth and had a
 quick
  and straight forward
  unmedicated 1st stage, but ended up pushing for
  1.45minutes. She said she
  had no idea, what she had to do and told very
  clearly to the midwife to
  direct her for pushing. I had promised to be her
  doula if she felt she
  needed me, but since it all went so quickly, she
  never called me. I was just
 
  wondering how I would have reacted to the
 situation
  if I was there, since
  during the training we emphasized spontanious
  pushing, waiting for the urge
  to push and following your own feelings. I
 noticed
  there was discussion
  about pushing here a week ago and I read the
  wonderful artickle by Gloria
  Lemay too. But what if the mom wants to be
 directed?
  Do you ever direct a
  woman in 2nd stage and if so, how?
  The bag of waters was broken in the end of
  transition and water was green.
  She was also given syntocin 40 minutes after she
  started pushing, because
  the contractions were getting less powerful...
 She
  said she never felt a
  real urge to push. She was pushing on all-fours
 and
  on the low birthing
  stool. The baby was average size. Do you find,
 that
  not all women get the
  powerful urge to push, or is it just a matter of
  waiting enaugh?
  In my own two births I never found the pushing
 very
  painful, but was not
  given syntocin either. Does the syntocin make the
  2nd stage more painful?
  Many questions again... would like to hear about
  your experience.
 
  Paivi
  Childbirth educator
 
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Doctor dystocia

[Emily]

hi julie
i can totally relate to your horror being a student
too. the hospital im at at the moment has a 30%
c/section rate, 30% operative delivery and 30%
episiotomy. babies are separated from mums for an hour
after c/sections because the recovery nurses dont like
having babies there, or midwives! theres a huge rate
of IOL, ARMs, they even do comp feeds still !!
its a very hard position to be in, being a student
because even when you feel things are being done
wrongly you dont want to seem disrespectful to people
in higher positions than you and you also wonder
whether maybe you do have it wrong! surely with all
their experience they would have thought of what you
think of ... but sadly often not. 
its also sad when hospitals boast about what they
'allow' etc yet never offer these things to the women.
for example every room has a big private bath, yet
none of the staff seem to suggest its use or let women
know they can birth in there. we have all these
totally underutilised things - birth mats, birth
stools, big baths, outdoor areas, a whole lovely birth
centre that is closed, birth balls etc etc and still
most women end up on their backs in bed.
anyone know who is the best person for students to
raise their concerns with without seeming out of line?

love emily


--- Julie Garratt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Doctor dystocia... Definition, when the private
 obstetrician walks into the room, the baby can no
 longer fit through the pelvis!
 
  Well that's what I feel after spending a shift in
 one of Adelaide's best' private hospitals over the
 weekend. Their stats for the last 12 mths confirmed
 this, around a 50 to 55% caesarean rate every month
 and shockingly  35 % of the women left had either
 ventouse or forceps! Can someone please tell me why
 this is hapening? Lots of epidurals? are the doctors
 in a hurry?
 
 No wonder ranzcog think childbirth is dangerous, in
 some places it really is! Time to do some media on
 the safety of obstetric care .?! Absolutely!
 I know that I'm preaching to the converted, buy I'm
 horrified that so many women think that this is the
 best care available.
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[ozmidwifery] antibodies

[Emily]

hi everyone
does anyone know much about anti Daffy antibodies? i
had a quick look around and havent found anything
anything yet. i was at a womans birth yesterday who
was induced at 37/40 for this reason and she was
confused why. she'd had two other pregnancies and
births without any problems. although bub was
perfectly healthy she was whisked off to NICU for the
whole night - where she recieved no treatment because
there was nothing wrong ! mum was pretty upset today
because shed been awake all night missing her baby.
sad 
anyway, a reference for this would be great if anyone
has one
love emily

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Re: [ozmidwifery] antibodies

[Emily]

mmm not sure sorry. could be either, i only saw it
written once
emily

--- sally williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Daffy or Duffy? 
  
 ---Original Message---
  
 From: Emily
 Date: 07/29/05 16:26:46
 To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
 Subject: [ozmidwifery] antibodies
  
 hi everyone
 does anyone know much about anti Daffy antibodies? i
 had a quick look around and havent found anything
 anything yet. i was at a womans birth yesterday who
 was induced at 37/40 for this reason and she was
 confused why. she'd had two other pregnancies and
 births without any problems. although bub was
 perfectly healthy she was whisked off to NICU for
 the
 whole night - where she recieved no treatment
 because
 there was nothing wrong ! mum was pretty upset today
 because shed been awake all night missing her baby.
 sad
 anyway, a reference for this would be great if
 anyone
 has one
 love emily
  
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Encouraging twins into a good presentation.

[Emily]

hi there
i did quite a bit of research last year on ECV and i
was under the impression the optimal time to attempt
ECV is actually 37 weeks. at 34 weeks you actually
have a higher inital success rate but also a much
higher rate of reversion so you may end up just having
to do it again. and even though the risks are actually
very low, its best for everyone involved to only do it
once!   also the success rate is better when tocolysis
is used but obviously this introduces other risk
factors so when i weighed up all the evidence i
decided its best to try without any then try with
tocolysis if mum wants to try again (this is all
assuming she doesnt want to just go for a breech
vaginal straight up and that she does want to try
turning bub - personal decision obviously)
love emily



--- Gloria Lemay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi Yvette,  I hate to see someone worried about
 position  at 34 weeks.  Certainly if the baby is
 clearly a breech presentation in a singleton, 34
 weeks is a good time to get going on encouraging a
 turn around.  The thing that's different with twins
 is that you're not going to do a version for breech
 anyway.  Remember that your lovely uterus is ovoid
 in shape.  As these babies get bigger, the shape of
 the uterus will press them into a longitudinal lie,
 either cephalic or breech but not transverse.  It's
 simply a matter of letting nature take it's course. 
 Be patient, acknowledge yourself for carrying these
 babies past 32 weeks and let them do what they're
 going to do.  It would be extremely unusual if they
 persist in being in odd positions past 36 weeks. 
 Even the tightenings of the birth process will press
 the head or bum towards the bony pelvis.
 I'm excited to hear the news of their arrival.  Best
 regards, Gloria
   - Original Message - 
   From: Lindsay  Yvette 
   To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
   Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 3:47 PM
   Subject: [ozmidwifery] Encouraging twins into a
 good presentation.
 
 
   Hi, I've posted here before about my twins
 pregnancy.  I'm now 34 weeks pregnant, and the
 babies are top to tail transverse,  have been this
 way for about a month now.  I'm starting to get
 worried about their presentation  the hospital has
 booked me in for C-section at 38 weeks in case they
 stay transverse.
 
   I'm trying to spend time on hands and knees, and
 sit on a birth ball, and I'm seeing the hospital
 physio about a brace on Monday for SPD, which I've
 read might help (I'm having lots of ligament pain).
 
   Any suggestions or comments about encouraging
 twins into a good presentation?  The babies are now
 2315g  2972g (5lb 2  6lb 9).  The smaller baby was
 always head down at the bottom, but they've switched
 now  the heavier one is lower.
 
   Yvette
   39 yo mother of 3 (all normal births)
   pg with monochorionic diamniotic twin girls.
   Melbourne Australia


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Re: [ozmidwifery] transverse

[Emily]

hi all
it is recommended in some cases. If membranes are
intact, version to cephalic or breech presentation can
be tried. I only know of one report on this : a series
of 12 women in labor with a transverse lie who were
managed with external version under tocolysis. It was
successful in ten women (nine to cephalic, one to
breech). Six then went on to have a vaginal birth and
4 had caesars. 
why is it not promoted though? ahh because caesars are
easier for staff ! (sorry cynical me)
love emily


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 So why is it that ecv is not promoted for transverse
 lay?
 
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Re: [ozmidwifery] transverse

[Emily]

i forgot to say that if ECV is done before labour in a
transverse lie, people usually induce the woman soon
after because theres a much higher rate of reversion
than with breech turns. so its a question of whether
to  wait and try ECV again if needed or induce while
the babys in a longitudinal lie..
emily


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Re: [ozmidwifery] pregnancy counselling

[Emily]

thanks everyone for the thoughtful replies. i guess my main problem was to do with the particular woman. since she was actually adamant and sure she and her partner didnt want a baby, i felt it was inappropriate to go into the logistics of having a baby (since she didnt think there was any chance she would!) 
anyway im going to let it slide. its just heart sinking when something you are very interested in and feel you are good at, someone in authority goes and tells you that youre bad at it 
btw im doing bmed 
love emilyJennifairy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Emily I sympathise,  I have 2 things to offer..some years ago I was late with my period, was definite that if I was pregnant I would terminate,  went to a GP for a pregnancy test. The GP asked me some of those questions your examiner wanted you to ask - at the time I was living in a shed with no electricity, rainwater only, while I was building my house. The GP told me that 'babies dont care where they are',  actually refused to do the blood test. So I guess Im saying - what are you asking the questions for?I dont see what this womans fathers religious inclination has to do with her decision-making process. Women in this situation are making what is *always* a very difficult decision,  I think our job is to help her (if she requires help) identify what the important (to her) issues are for her to make a decis!
 ion she
 can live with.Having said all that,  just recently graduating from BMid myself, I also have to say that there are some things you have to do as a student that you inherently believe is a complete crock. Sometimes you just have to 'talk the talk',  then go  walk it the way you believe it should be walked. One of the most important lessons I learnt at Uni was to distinguish what walls I could butt my head against that would make the most difference,  what walls would just leave me a blood-soaked wreck (this was obviously experience-based learning -  its such a pity that the 'science' of phrenology has become a thing of the past, as I could probably get a job as a teaching model :) ) (Im sure there was a Monty Python sketch about that..)So, yeah, write the letter if you have the time, but dont let it get in the way of blitzing the exams!cheersJennifairyEmily wrote: hi
 everyone im very sorry if this is too off topic, just ignore if it is!! i had an exam today with a pretend patient who came in for pregnancy test results. it was positive and she was very upset cying etc and probably wanted to have an abortion. i let her talk and found out how she felt and enquired about her partner's views, whether she was studying or working and what her main concerns where etc etc. as well as giving her unbiased info about her options the feedback i got from the examiner, i really disagree with. he said that i should have found out about her living conditions, how big her home was, who she lived with, whether her partner had a job... etc etc even what her dad would think about her having a baby and whether he was religious ! i feel that asking these questions of a distressed woman youre seeing for the 1st time is just fulfilling your own cur!
 iosity. it may help you make a value judgement of what you think she should do but does asking her these things (that she already knows the answers to) help her make the decision or just help you decide your own opinion ?? also wouldnt you asking those sort of questions express to her your opinion? ie if she answered she lived in a one bedroom bedsitter and didnt have a partner or job, then she may feel that youre saying these are reasons why she shouldnt have the bub. love to hear what your thoughts are because i might write a letter to the faculty about it because i definately lost marks thanks everyone - ahh exam stress hey? emily  Discover Yahoo! Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news  more. Check it out!  No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.5/32 - Release Date: 27/06/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.5/32 - Release Date: 27/06/2005--This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics.Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com 

[ozmidwifery] pregnancy counselling

[Emily]

hi everyoneim very sorry if this is too off topic, just ignore if it is!!i had an exam today with a pretend patient who came in for pregnancy test results. it was positive and she was very upset cying etc and probably wanted to have an abortion. i let her talk and found out how she felt and enquired about her partner's views, whether she was studying or working and what her main concerns where etc etc. as well as giving her unbiased info about her optionsthe feedback i got from the examiner, i really disagree with. he said that i should have found out about her living conditions, how big her home was, who she lived with, whether her partner had a job... etc etc even what her dad would think about her having a baby and whether he was religious !i feel that asking these questions of a distressed woman youre seeing for the 1st time is just fulfilling your own cur!
 iosity.
 it may help you make a value judgement of what you think she should do but does asking her these things (that she already knows the answers to) help her make the decision or just help you decide your own opinion ?? also wouldnt you asking those sort of questions express to her your opinion? ie if she answered she lived in a one bedroom bedsitter and didnt have a partner or job, then she may feel that youre saying these are reasons why she shouldnt have the bub.love to hear what your thoughts are because i might write a letter to the faculty about it because i definately lost marksthanks everyone - ahh exam stress hey?emily
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[ozmidwifery] RE: vesico ureteric reflux

[Emily]

hi tanya,
yes, most people with V-U reflux grow out of it in late childhood or puberty due to growth of the bladder base. this somehow strengthens the vesico ureteric sphincter so that when the bladder contracts, urine only flows down in to the urethra, not back up in to the ureters. 
when shes old enougha good idea is getting her to 'double void.' ie after doing a wee wait about a minute then do another one so that the urine that was refluxed can be excreted. the increased risk of UTI is because of stasis of the urine hanging around in the bladder for too long which allows bacteria to multiply. im sure you probably know all this but anyway.. :)
love emilyKylie Carberry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Hi Tanya,
When I had my 18 week ultrasound with baby number four (who's now sixteen months) I was told I had a single umbilical artery. The sonographer and then my GP were a bit vague about what this meant so I asked my trusty midwife and she said it meant it could be an indication of anomalies, particularly in the renal system. The scan didn't reveal anything else so I had to take bub for a renal scan at 11 days. It revealed she had vesico-ureteric reflux (not sure of the spelling!), but asI like to call it urinary reflux. I was told she could grow out of it, however, it gave her a predisposition to UTI's. Within weeks she got her first, despit prophylactic anti-biotics. Since, she has had two more and due to see a specialist about corrective surgery. Despite the reflux no other problems... Hope this helps,
Kylie Carberry

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Re: [ozmidwifery] face presentation

[Emily]

what she meant by mechanically was that she thought the babes actually couldnt be born vaginally ie mechanically impossible to fit out ! not referring to instrumental delivery
she thought categorically that face presentation was an absolute indication for caesar/forceps. 

yes it seems people who talk of delivering women and babies really do seem to do that. i wonder how much difference it would take if this language was changed? just simple things like people often say 'im going to deliver a baby' rather than 'im going to help a woman birth/deliver her baby.' simplewords that would presumably make women feel much more incontrol and important inthe whole process, rather than a bystander who is 'delivered'

here is that photo diary 
http://www.birthdiaries.com/diary/face.htm
Janet Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:




I don't know what mechanically delivered means unless they mean using instruments. However the radmid site has great links to stories and pics of face presentations.
J

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Re: [ozmidwifery] gastric washes

[Emily]

Hi Sue,
i too searched in medline and there is only one article - that was put up before - on gastric lavage in bubs possible showing that this is not a widespread practice. 
here is some other info on lavage in drug OD that isnt direclty related but interesting and some of the info could be paralleled in mec-cases. eg that very little of the drug (or mec) is actually retrieved and it needs to be done within 1 hour of ingestion.. as well as the discomfort caused in someones first day of life!which i think is significant


Gastric lavage
...lavage can retrieve drugs, either whole or in fragments. However, controlled studies indicate that the amount of the ingested drug retrieved is, on average, very small and varies widely, and that lavage probably does not alter the clinical course of the patient. The procedure is time consuming, labor intensive, very uncomfortable for the patient, and carries a real risk of aspiration. However, in certain situations, any amount of drug retrieved may be clinically beneficial.
Conclusion: Most clinical toxicologists agree that lavage should be performed only when a patient has ingested a large amount of a potentially dangerous drug (eg, a calcium channel blocker, a tricyclic antidepressant, or a [beta]-blocker) and comes to the emergency department within an hour of ingestion.
i hope that your placement improves some :)
Emily
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[ozmidwifery] face presentation

[Emily]

hi
im really sorry that i think this has been discussed not to long ago but i had a frustrating incident with a collegue today who told me very confidently that 'face presentations cannot mechanically be delivered.' i told her i was quite sure it wasnt impossible as i had seen one but she said something like 'no they cant. you might like to think they can but they cant.' 
i have sent her a photo diary of one little chubby face presenting and birthing without a problem but would like some references or comments from others especially if someone has seen one.
thanks so much
emily
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RE: [ozmidwifery] central coast

[Emily]

hi nicola
if something like day workshops end up happening,you can put me down for sure and depending on price i know a few others who would come also. could you please let me know if anything like this happens and i can try to rustle up some numbers. my email is [EMAIL PROTECTED]
thanks 
emilyDean  Jo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Have a chat to Dr Chris Vose from Optimum birth...if you have enoughpeople she might be able to come down and do a couple of day work shopfor you?jo-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nicola MorleySent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 5:33 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery] New to list - HiThanks Janet, but I am on the Central Coast of NSW. Anyone know anyone"real life" around here?Nicola -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Janet FraserSent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 5:37 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] New to list - HiHi Nicola,there are real life on!
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Re: [ozmidwifery] FW: Breastfeeding

[Emily]

sounds like someone may have some mother guilt of their own and are looking to bend facts in order to ease their own guilts from the past. shame she had to publish it so widely..is she a GP or an obs? either way, im embarrassed to be in the same profession as her..

on a happier note did anyone catch the article on doulas in sunday telegraph sunday magazine may 8th? what a wonderful article and great to see it in a publication with such a wide audience. it constantly amazes me to see how many people dont even know what the word doula means!
love emily
Barry  Sonja [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:




How wonderful Justine! 
Great letter and fabulous to hear of another gorgeous baby for you!!!
Sonja

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From: Justine Caines 
To: OzMid List 
Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 9:32 PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] FW: Breastfeeding
FYIMy letter to Cindy PanJCxx-- Forwarded MessageFrom: Justine Caines [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 21:28:46 +1000To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: BreastfeedingDear CindyI read your recent article on infant feeding and was very disappointed.As you say Breast is indeed by far best so why not promote breastfeeding and a womans amazing ability to nurture a child? Your piece did nothing to improve womens confidence or ability to fall into the mother guilt trap. In fact you trod the tired road of those with vested interests. What I read did not !
 empower
 women, promoting their wonderful capable bodies, it erred on undermining them. Feeling like a milk bar etc.But I think you really excelled when sayingit's vital that the mother's feelings and preferences are considered. Theoretical benefits must be carefully weighed against practical concerns.Theoretical benefits??As a mother of 4. I ask the theoretical benefit of being able to instantly soothe my infant and not wait for the formula to be made at the right temperature. I ask what is the theoretical benefit of reduced admission to hospital for breast-fed babies? Why not look at the support women need to successfully breastfeed? Post-natal support in Australia (other than highly specialist crisis care such as Trescil!
 lian and
 Karitane, also nearly impossible to access) is virtually non-existent. Australias maternity health system is very broken and is based on the needs of practitioners and organisations, rather than women and their families. The huge increase in surgical birth has a direct impact on breastfeeding success. It is very difficult to bond when recovering from major surgery with a morphine drip in-situ. Any artificial hormone such as oxytocics or pain medication interferes with the amazing cocktail of natural oxytocin that assists a woman fall in love with her baby (see Michel Odents work).I can say with authority that when this natural love hormone is maintained the results are amazing.Lovely experiences dont sell papers, books or infant formula do they?They just negate mother guilt and assist in the development of a happy and healthy human race.I know whats more important.I hope this helpsKind
 regardsJustine CainesMother to 4Ruby 5, Clancy 4, William 2 and Tobias 14 monthsAnd the last little one due December(Someone who loves mothering, birthed her babies under her own steam and fed each in excess of 12 months and feels no guilt!)
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Re: [ozmidwifery] temperature

[Emily]

hi all
there is a systematic review on the topic of rectal vs infrared ear temps in children on cochrane database
the conclusion is as follows:
'The authors concluded that although the mean differences between rectal temperature measurements and ear temperature measurements were small, the wide CIs mean that ear temperature is not a good approximation of rectal temperature. They suggest that when body temperature needs to be measured with precision, infrared ear thermometry should not be used in preference to rectal measurement, which is the established method'

personally i think its a very invasive and (for older children) embarassing thing for them to go through and as it says above should be done when the temp needs to be known with precision ie when they are very ill, not just as a routine measure. im not sure why they didnt include axilla temps..
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Re: [ozmidwifery] nepean hospital

[Emily]

hi vicky
thanks. my email is [EMAIL PROTECTED] or phone 0400372053. i can give you more info about the elective off list if you like 
thanks heaps
emilyVicki Muscio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:




Hi Emily,
I'm currently doing my middy at Nepean. I can give you the name and phone number of our course coordinator if you give me your details.
Vicki

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Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 11:41 AM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] nepean hospital

hi does anyone work at Nepean hospital?? im trying to organise an elective there and dont have a contact as yet..
thanks so much
emily


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[ozmidwifery] nepean hospital

[Emily]

hi does anyone work at Nepean hospital?? im trying to organise an elective there and dont have a contact as yet..
thanks so much
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[ozmidwifery] birthing kit for somalia

[Emily]

hi all
thought you all might be interested in this great idea from World Vision. For $77 you can provide a birthing kit for a birth attendent in somalia. these can also be given as gifts eg mothers day - what a lovely gift for a mum to know shes helped another mum
http://www.worldvision.com.au/smiles/gift.asp?id=10
'Your gift will provide a birth attendant with the equipment she needs to ensure a safe delivery, including hand towels, soap, bowls for clean water, plastic sheeting, sterile birthing packs, stethoscope and basic medicines.'
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Re: [ozmidwifery] ENDING GOVERNMENT DISCRIMINATION AGAINST MIDWIVES

[Emily]

yepo mine is sent off too Jan.
BTW, this morning at 5am i was at a lovely vaginal breech birth and a new little black haired girl came in to the world on the night of the full moon. this was the first breech baby i had seen born - except for videos! - and i was amazed how quick it all was. about 3 hrs 1st stage and 18 mins of pushing. and an 8 pound 5 girl. 
perfect!Justine Caines [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Nicole and allI believe I wrote this letter some time ago. I am unsure where it has resurfaced from!!Tony Abbott embarrassed? Who cares.The update on the Medicare safety-net is.It was purely from Obstetricians hiking their fees (70% in 12 months!!) that blew the safety net out. So what does the responsible Howard Government do?Doe they rope in Obstetricians gross increase? NoThey punish the poorest Australian’s and increase the safety net from $300 to $500.Remember this 70% increase only represents care for 30% of Australian women (as that’s how many private Obs care for).Rural women pay as taxpayers for Medicare to receive no service (within Cooee). While they subsidise Australia’s wealthiest specialists a!
 nd
 women.So Tony Abbott has done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to curb spending by Obs. I would hazard a guess that the majority of women accessing Private Ob services were not within the $300 safety net bracket anyway, they would of been in the higher $700 bracket. So this is an absolute JOKE, and Mr Abbott needs to know we are on to him. I think Fed Treasurer Costello needs a visit too!!JustineJustine CainesNational President Maternity Coalition IncPO Box 105MERRIWA NSW 2329Ph: (02) 65482248Fax: (02)65482902Mob: 0408 210273E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]www.maternitycoalition.org.au__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
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Re: [ozmidwifery] ENDING GOVERNMENT DISCRIMINATION AGAINST MIDWIVES

[Emily]

yes this was very much a planned breech birth. we have a breech-very keen obstetrician and there have been 4 at that hospital this week including 2 breech twins. (this one was actually caught by the MW with him in the room)
the mum's attitude too, was such a huge part of it i think. she just thought 'why wouldnt i be able to birth her??' so she birthed her on the birth stool with no troubles :)what happened once in theatre kim? Kim Stead [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:






Thatsounds wonderful Emily. I 'assume' is was a known/planned breech birth??The last one at our hospital was an undiagnosed multi who wasfully, raced to theatre in order to 'save'mum and babe!! Arhh!! It is certainly a dying art.

Kiwi Kim


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To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] ENDING GOVERNMENT DISCRIMINATION AGAINST MIDWIVES

yepo mine is sent off too Jan.
BTW, this morning at 5am i was at a lovely vaginal breech birth and a new little black haired girl came in to the world on the night of the full moon. this was the first breech baby i had seen born - except for videos! - and i was amazed how quick it all was. about 3 hrs 1st stage and 18 mins of pushing. and an 8 pound 5 girl. 
perfect!Justine Caines [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Nicole and allI believe I wrote this letter some time ago. I am unsure where it has resurfaced from!!Tony Abbott embarrassed? Who cares.The update on the Medicare safety-net is.It was purely from Obstetricians hiking their fees (70% in 12 months!!) that blew the safety net out. So what does the responsible Howard Government do?Doe they rope in Obstetricians gross increase? NoThey punish the poorest Australian’s and increase the safety net from $300 to $500.Remember this 70% increase only represents care for 30% of Australian women (as that’s how many private Obs care for).Rural women pay as taxpayers for Medicare to receive no service (within Cooee). While they subsidise Australia’s wealthiest speciali!
 sts a! nd
 women.So Tony Abbott has done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to curb spending by Obs. I would hazard a guess that the majority of women accessing Private Ob services were not within the $300 safety net bracket anyway, they would of been in the higher $700 bracket. So this is an absolute JOKE, and Mr Abbott needs to know we are on to him. I think Fed Treasurer Costello needs a visit too!!JustineJustine CainesNational President Maternity Coalition IncPO Box 105MERRIWA NSW 2329Ph: (02) 65482248Fax: (02)65482902Mob: 0408 210273E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]www.maternitycoalition.org.au
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[ozmidwifery] Indigenous birthing

[Emily]

Hi everyone
Im a student trying to organise an elective for later this year and was hoping some of you might have some ideas. It is an 8 week full time elective starting in late july. Ihave to do an assignment on health inequality issues faced by Indigenous women, so im looking for anyone who seesindigenous women, it doesnt have to specifically be an Indigenous health service. I have already been out to Alukura women's clinic in Alice Springs but this time want to focus on birthing issues more than antenatal care, which i did a lot of at Alukura. Ideally I'd love to find a home birth MW that sees alot of Indigenous women but a hospital birthing centre/maternity ward would be great too.
Thanks so much :)
emily

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RE: [ozmidwifery] Indigenous birthing

[Emily]

hi julie
yes i did see it thanks. amazing doco and i saw similar issues 1st hand in alice. we had one case of a woman presenting for her first antenatal visit at about 39 weeks asking when the baby might come and not returning until about 43 weeks with a death in utero which she birthed silently a few days later. its such a complicated area but so interesting
emilyJulie Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:









Hi Emily
Did you see the Birth Rites documentary recently?
Can’t remember if it was on ABC or SBS – but it would be a very good source for you.


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of EmilySent: Wednesday, 30 March 2005 7:52 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] Indigenous birthing


Hi everyone

Im a student trying to organise an elective for later this year and was hoping some of you might have some ideas. It is an 8 week full time elective starting in late july. Ihave to do an assignment on health inequality issues faced by Indigenous women, so im looking for anyone who seesindigenous women, it doesnt have to specifically be an Indigenous health service. I have already been out to Alukura women's clinic in Alice Springs but this time want to focus on birthing issues more than antenatal care, which i did a lot of at Alukura. Ideally I'd love to find a home birth MW that sees alot of Indigenous women but a hospital birthing centre/maternity ward would be great too.

Thanks so much :)

emily





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Re: [ozmidwifery] Re:

[Emily]

hi joy and helen
i had this problem for a while, thinking noone was posting anything. it turned out that for some reason my yahoo account decided that ozmidwifery posts were spam (nooo!) so they were all being sent straight to the bulk folder and i wasnt seeing them. so maybe if youre using a spam guard of any kind that might be happening to you too..
:)
emilyJoy Cocks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:




Hi Helen,
Your test emails (3) have come through to me, but nothing in the subject line, not even [ozmidwifery]. I've not had any mail from the list either, so probably just quiet over Easter.
Joy

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Re: [ozmidwifery] Hep B vaccine reaction

[Emily]

hi
im a 3rd year medical student and as far as i know the hep B vaccine is now routinely given at birth as a public health measure rather than because babies are actually at risk. youre right that infants and children are at low risk of contracting hep b. the only reason it is given at birthis that it is a convenient time to have contact with all hospital born babies, rather than trust in the parents that they would bring the baby back at a suitable time. i have mixed views of different vaccines, but this one and tetanus really take the cake. to subject a newly born baby to a traumatic experience purely for convenience sake (when theyre not even at risk of the disease) is a verypoor policy in my mind, especially because parents are not told this is why it is being given so they assume it is because their baby is at risk. i think if the hep b vaccine is deemed necessary at all, resources should be put in to educating the parents about it and trusting them !
 to make
 the decision if and when to give it rather than the paternalistic view that if they dont vaccinate everyone at birth, noone would have the initiative to bring the baby back when he or she is older and may become at risk.
emily
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Hello everyone.
I'm fairly new to Australia, (from the Uk) but have been an avid follower of this site for some time now.
And, by way of an introduction..and as a first post I feel compelled to ask about this vaccineby my nature, I havnt vaccinated my kids...but as far as this particular vaccine is concernedwhy is it given routinely??
I ask, because I thought that hep B was passed on by blood and sex..(to be crude)...what infant is genuinely at risk of this??
If a baby has a reaction like this...(hope she is ok!!) does that mean she is contraindicated for future vaccines??
Many thanks, 
lisa
Perth


- Original Message - 
From: Nicole Carver 
To: ozmid ; Maternity Coalition 
Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 7:48 PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Hep B vaccine reaction

Hi All,
Have just had a scary experience when a baby became floppy and stopped breathing three timesafter the Hep B vaccine. She is ok, but being observed for 24 hours in special care. It just reinforces my belief that giving all babies Hep B prior to discharge from hospital is unnecessary, and where there are no risk factors present, more dangerous than not giving it.
Nicole Carver.
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Protein in Urine?

[Emily]

hi abby
urinalysis gives a semi-quantitative level of proteinuria and is usually expressed as trace, +, ++, +++ or . you can also do a 24hour collection of urine to get a fully quanitative measure of the amount of protein.
here is an article in mja on whether urinalysis can be discontinued during pregnancy if the initial one is clear..
http://www.mja.com.au/public/issues/177_09_041102/mur10814_fm.html
i havent had a good read of it yet but you might be interested :)
Benign causes of protein in the urineinclude fever, intense activity or exercise, dehydration, emotional stress and even long days on your feet. More serious causes include glomerulonephritis, multiple myeloma and preeclampsia. If the urine isalkaline, dilute or concentrated, there is gross hematuria (lots of blood in urine)or the presence of mucus, semen or white blood cells, when some meds are used or the dipstick is immersed in the urine for too long,then you can get a false-positive for protein. 
emily
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Hi,A client and I have been discussing protein in urine and how much is toomuch, when to get worried etc. She was admitted to hospital at 37 weeks withher daughter and induced, apparently due to high blood pressure and proteinin her urine. A friend of hers had a similiar symptoms of pre eclampsia butwas not admitted to hospital and went on to have a natural birth. So, myquestion is, can the test measure quantities of protein or just pick upprotein in general. If it is in quantities, what level is too much?ThanksLove Abby--This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics.Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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RE: [ozmidwifery] attachments

[Emily]

id love a copy as well :)
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I have a marvelous picture related to breast feeding and would like to share it with people, can this list accept JPEG attachmenst?

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[ozmidwifery] Fwd: amcal reply

[Emily]

this is the reply i got as well. obviously its just a standard template they send out
emilyDear Emily, Thank you for taking the time to write to us about your concerns. We take this matter very seriously and appreciate your comments. Amcal is not advocating that bottle feeding is superior to Breast Feeding. We believe that breast feeding should be the preferred option for all mother. If however, for whatever medical condition or reason a mother is considering a change, the Amcal Pharmacist can provide advice on what formula is suitable. We would always advise our customers to consult their GP or child health nurse before considering such a change. Kind regards Kylie Devers Title: MissFirstname: EmilySurname: DormanUnit Number:Street Number: 212 glebe roadStreet Address:State: NSWSuburb: merewetherPostcode: 2291Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Phone:Mobile:Club Number:Comment: Hello,I am writing to deplore a recent brochure i read in an Amcal store that is extremely misleading about infant nutrition. The statement 'Breastmilk is generally considered healthy,' is statistically and medically wrong as well as being socially and economically irresponsible. No health professional in the current age would ever agre!
 e that
 infant formula is better or even as good as breastmilk for an infant and although you do not explicity say that, it is quite likely the message that people will take away from the brochure. To disadvantage infants and their families in order to sell more products is deplorable and i urge you to take better care in the information portrayed on this matter and encourage women to breastfeed their babies.I hope that you take these comments in to accountRegardsEmily Dorman
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[ozmidwifery] Amcal Feedback Form

[Emily]

hi all here is the reply i got from the letter i sent to amcal, we'll see if they follow thru
thought everyone might like these phone numbers
emilyKate Rose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Dear Emily Thank you for your email and comments. I have forwarded to the marketing manager and asked him to reply to you directly when he returns from leave 24 January. In the interim if you would like to speak with me you can contact me on the numbers listed below or via return email best regards, Kate RoseAmcal Club ManagerDir: +3 9542 9490Mob: 0400 18 11 65AMCAL1408 Centre Rd CLAYTON VIC 3168Freecall: 1800 500 760Comment: Hello,I am writing to deplore a recent brochure read in an Amcal store that is extremely misleading about infant nutrition!
 . The
 statement 'Breastmilk is generally considered healthy,' is statistically and medically wrong as well as being socially and economically irresponsible. No health professional in the current age would ever agree that infant formula is better or even as good as breastmilk for an infant and although you do not explicity say that, it is quite likely the message that people will take away from the brochure. To disadvantage infants and their families in order to sell more products is deplorable and i urge you to take better care in the information portrayed on this matter and encourage women to breastfeed their babies.I hope that you take these comments in to accountRegardsEmily Dorman*** This email and any files transmitted with it are!
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Amcal

[Emily]

Wow! that quote is amazing.
i dont know if this has been thought of before - im sure it probably has but has but i have thought for a long time that baby formula should be a prescription only or MW advised only product. it should never be available over the counter in chemists and certainly not in supermarkets! its too easy for women having trouble who have too little support and resources to turn to formula without being given proper advice. At least if a prescription or letter from some other health professional (MW, LC) was required before it could be bought, there is some assurance that advice would have been given (hopefully pro BFing!) and the decision wouldnt have been made in the spur of the moment and without guidance. the reason most things are made prescription-only is that they have the potential to harm and should only be used in very particular circumstances in particular ways - as is the case with formula !
but any attempt to make this happen would mean economic losses to formular companies and all vendors who sell it, so would obviously not be welcomed !

does anyone agree ?

emily


jayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:




Amcal have annoyed me in the past with their promotion of baby formula. Theyoften offer coupons for discount formulathrough their baby club. I remember emailing them when I first noticed that but the reply I received clearly showed they didn't give a hoot because as far as they were concerned they weren't 'advertising' baby formula. Fine line if you ask me.

They are the only chemist within a 35 minute drive for me but I still avoid them at all costs.

Jayne


- Original Message - 
From: Barb Glare 
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 11:20 PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Amcal

Hi,

I ruined my day today by picking up a brochure at an Amcal pharmacy. I quote 

"Feeding ProblemsWhether you are breast or bottle feeding your baby, things don't always go smoothly. Some women have problems with cracked, sore nipples and infection (called mastitis) Some babies can have difficulty in attaching to the breast or with sucking. It may also take time before the production of breastmilk adjusts to your baby's needs. Your Amcal pharmacist can offer advice on many common feeding problems and, if you are bottle feeding your baby, they can help you choose the right formula from the many available. Breast milk is generally considered good for babies and you can consult your Pharmacist or GP when considering formula products."priceless, huh? Odd how they mention you may have problems whether you are breastfeeding or bottle feeding, but all the problems they mention are breastfeeding problems. Not that baby's stools will be so hard they will!
  be agony
 to pass. Not the problems associated with allergies etc. And the last sentenceI'm speechlessIf you are offended by this as I am, I suggest that you report this to APMAIF Their guidelines are at http://www.health.gov.au/internet/wcms/publishing.nsf/Content/health-pubhlth-strateg-foodpolicy-apmaif.htmBut don't take them too literally, just let them know that you are NOT HAPPY with this sort of behaviour. I have met with APMAIF, and they tell me they don't see the point in attempting to strengthen their scope of practice because they rarely ever get complaints from mothers or health professionals. If you feel the urge to complain to AMCAL their website is www.amcal.com.au
Barb
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