Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaccination

[brendamanning]

Good on you Jayne.
Sometimes challenging the system is the only way to make their 
bullying/intimidating stop.


Brenda

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To: 
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 9:10 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaccination





You might think that skipping it is OK but you actually get a letter

stating

that you have not had your child vaccinated against HepB, so Big Brothers
watches.

Diane



So?  You're already being watched/tracked thru medicare/tax
office/centrelink etc etc etc.  When I started to receive letters re my
unimmunised middle child, I called the immunisation register and demanded
that his name be removed.  Never received another letter and never 
received

any re my unimmunised youngest child either.  Big Brother is a non reason
I'd be lining up my children for mass immunisations.

I refuse to return immunisation cards (even for non immunising) to schools
and have not produced immunisation certificates to schools (even stating
that they aren't immunised) for any of my children.  I wonder about the
'refusing school entry' if an immunisation certificate is not produced.
After three children going thru state schooling, they've never been 
refused

school entry.

Informed choice and then follow your heart.

Regards

Jayne

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Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaccination

[jesse/jayne]

> You might think that skipping it is OK but you actually get a letter
stating
> that you have not had your child vaccinated against HepB, so Big Brothers
> watches.
>
> Diane


So?  You're already being watched/tracked thru medicare/tax
office/centrelink etc etc etc.  When I started to receive letters re my
unimmunised middle child, I called the immunisation register and demanded
that his name be removed.  Never received another letter and never received
any re my unimmunised youngest child either.  Big Brother is a non reason
I'd be lining up my children for mass immunisations.

I refuse to return immunisation cards (even for non immunising) to schools
and have not produced immunisation certificates to schools (even stating
that they aren't immunised) for any of my children.  I wonder about the
'refusing school entry' if an immunisation certificate is not produced.
After three children going thru state schooling, they've never been refused
school entry.

Informed choice and then follow your heart.

Regards

Jayne

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RE: [ozmidwifery] Vaccination

[Lieve Huybrechts]

Hoi Jo,
I think you have to consider some issues:

Illnes has become a bad thing. We are afraid of it and we don't see the
heatlthy thing in it anymore. The incidence of real complications in
most of the childrens diseases is very small. We have to vaccinate a lot
of children to prevent one complication. The healthy thing of children's
diseases are that they give the children the chance to grow their
resistance. When a child gets ill and can recover on its own power,
without 'help' of medication like antibiotics, the immuunsystem grows
and can handle more difficult things in the futur. You also see that
children who have been ill have made a large jump in their motoric and
cognitive development. To be ill stimulates not only the immuunsystem

When a child got's ill from a childrens disease it is mostly between 2-4
years old. It can have only one disease at a time. It seems that the
body prevents to retract other diseases. We are vaccinating at 2 months
with 7 diseases at once. I wonder that is the reason why the
immuunsystem doesn't react properly and we have more than once cases of
outbreak of for example measles in vaccinated groups. It is indeed
ridiculous that mothers have to keep their not vaccinated children at
home when there is a case of measles 'to protect the vaccinated
children'. It proves one does not believe in their own vaccinations.

Most vaccinations have to be repeated on regulary times (measles every 9
years) that's easy in children up to 18 and what happens with the
adults?
When a mother had her childrens diseases worked through in her
childhood, the antibodys ar high enough to protect her babys with
breastmilk during their vulnarable babytime. A vaccinated mother does
not have enough antibodys to pass it through in her milk. So the most
vulnerable little children are not protected anymore. That's one of the
reasons the vaccinations are earlier now at 2 months instead of three.

I tried for the birthcentre to invite people of the childrens
consultation from the governement to come and give information about
vaccination for our parents. I also invited a GP from the oganisation
'vaccination damage' to give the information he has. We never found
someone from the consultation ready to answer questions or to explain
their view.
When mothers ask questions about vaccination they get answers as 'you
won't let you child to be sick and die, won't you ?' No real
information, but working on guiltfeelings. It is almost the same as with
hospital and homebirth. It seems we are childrens murderers by not
playing the 'normal' game.

Than there is the matter with the additives. It is not only the viruses
that are given, but they are surroundd by additives who are proven to be
very harmfull for humans. For example, a compleet vacinated child has
already received a lot of times more the amount of mercury than an adult
should have. It also goes for aluminium. That are heavy metals and very
polluting for a human body.

When you see at the pediatric wards, despite of the vaccinations thare
are no less sick children. But the children now are very difficult to
treat with the allergic reactions, astma, ADHD, autisme
I prefer a child that is ill for a fourthnight and can go on with his
life.

Maybe you have in Australia also an organisation like our 'vaccine
damage' where you can get information about alternatives or more
appropriate ways to handle vaccination than to go for the massa
vaccination. Vaccination shoud be considred for each child individual,
considering the possible healthproblems for that child and the pro and
contra of that vaccin.

I hope to have been of some help
Lieve



Lieve Huybrechts
vroedvrouw
0477/740853


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Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Namens JoFromOz
Verzonden: dinsdag 26 juli 2005 15:28
Aan: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Onderwerp: [ozmidwifery] Vaccination


Hi All.

I don't want this to start a war or anything, but I would just like to 
hear people's opinions (and why) on vaccinating babies.  This is the 
week for our first vaccinations (I declined Birth HepB) as William is 2 
months old tomorrow.  We do want to get him vaccinated, it's just a 
matter of when we start, and whether we get them all done together. 

Here is why I'm hesitant:

He is only 2 months old, and not going to be going into any childcare in

the near future (at LEAST 12 months if ever).

It isn't normal for a body to have to produce antibodies to 7 diseases 
all at once - or is it?
I was thinking that it would be better to get only one injection at a 
time so that if he reacts to something really badly, we will know which 
vaccine to avoid next time.

The diseases such as Hep B and tetanus, and Diptheria, etc aren't all 
that likely to find my son just yet - or are they?

However...

Should I just do it and not make a fuss? Just f

Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaccination

[Janet Fraser]

No one has claimed the money he offered to prove hospital birth is safer
than home birth either. I'm laughing a lot over this one!
J
- Original Message -
From: "jo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 3:43 PM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Vaccination


>
> For your interest from avn. I wonder if anyone will come to the party???
>
> Jo
>
>
> January 29, 2001 THE FOLLOWING OFFER is made to U.S.-licensed medical
> doctors who routinely administer childhood vaccinations and to
> pharmaceutical company CEOs worldwide: Jock Doubleday, president of the
> California nonprofit corporation Natural Woman, Natural Man, Inc., hereby
> offers $20,000.00 (U.S.) to the first medical doctor or pharmaceutical
> company CEO who publicly drinks a mixture of standard vaccine additive
> ingredients in the same amount as a six-year-old child is recommended to
> receive under the year-2000 guidelines of the U.S. Centers for Disease
> Control and Prevention.
>
> The mixture will not contain viruses or bacteria dead or alive, but will
> contain standard vaccine additive ingredients in their usual forms and
> proportions. The mixture will include, but will not be limited to:
> thimerosal (a mercury derivative), ethylene glycol (antifreeze), phenol (a
> disinfectant dye), benzethonium chloride (a disinfectant), formaldehyde (a
> preservative and disinfectant), and aluminum.
>
> The mixture will be prepared by Jock Doubleday, three medical
professionals
> that he names, and three medical professionals that the participant names.
> The mixture will be body weight calibrated.
>
> The participant agrees, and any and all agents and associates of the
> participant agree, to indemnify and hold harmless in perpetuity any and
all
> persons, organizations, or entities associated with the event for any harm
> caused, or alleged to be caused, directly or indirectly, to the
participant
> or indirectly to the participant's heirs, relations, employers, employees,
> colleagues, associates, or other persons, organizations, or entities
> claiming association with, or representation of, the participant, by the
> participant's participation in the event.
>
> Because the participant is either a professional caregiver who routinely
> administers childhood vaccinations, or a pharmaceutical company CEO whose
> business is, in part, the sale of childhood vaccines, it is understood by
> all parties that the participant considers all vaccine additive
ingredients
> to be safe and that the participant considers any mixture containing these
> ingredients to be safe.
>
> The event will be held within six months of the participant's written
> agreement to the above and further elaborated terms. This offer, dated
> January 29, 2001, has no expiration date unless superceded by a similar
> offer of higher remuneration.
>
> Contact Jock Doubleday at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> New Development: A pediatric chiropractor in Hamburg, Germany has recently
> added his $200,000.00 "S-Series 600" Mercedes (Brabus E V12), including
> shipping costs to the U.S., to Mr. Doubleday's original $20,000.00 Reward.
> This Mercedes has been named "The Fastest Four-Door Sedan in the World" by
> the editors of The Guinness Book of Records. The original $20,000.00 and
> said Mercedes heretofore together constitute the Reward until such time as
> an additional item or additional items are added to the Reward.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Megan & Larry
> Sent: Wednesday, 27 July 2005 1:29 PM
> To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
> Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Vaccination
>
> Hi Jo,
>
> My experience is that we vaccinated our first son,wanted to question it
but
> we weren't at that place in ourselves, after his 12mth MMR, he was a very
> sick boy and the hairs on the back of my neck stood up. Our GP at the time
> was happy to say it was the vaccine, just give him 4 hourly paracetamol
and
> ignore the maximum dosage recommendation until better. There was no
> reporting of the reaction.
> A few years before that I had also been vaccinated by the same GP, for
> "triple antigen" booster, ended up in emergency that night very sick and
the
> Dr accepted it as being a reaction to the vaccination, again no reporting.
>
> After our son's reaction to MMR, we started the research and reached the
> decision not to continue vaccinating. Our three other children are not
> vaccinated.
> We have have done the tetanus threat after a hospital visit for a split
lip,
> but refused to be bullied into it out of fear. Again went home made some
> calls, read a lot and chose not to vaccinate.
> W

RE: [ozmidwifery] Vaccination

[jo]

For your interest from avn. I wonder if anyone will come to the party???

Jo


January 29, 2001 THE FOLLOWING OFFER is made to U.S.-licensed medical
doctors who routinely administer childhood vaccinations and to
pharmaceutical company CEOs worldwide: Jock Doubleday, president of the
California nonprofit corporation Natural Woman, Natural Man, Inc., hereby
offers $20,000.00 (U.S.) to the first medical doctor or pharmaceutical
company CEO who publicly drinks a mixture of standard vaccine additive
ingredients in the same amount as a six-year-old child is recommended to
receive under the year-2000 guidelines of the U.S. Centers for Disease
Control and Prevention. 

The mixture will not contain viruses or bacteria dead or alive, but will
contain standard vaccine additive ingredients in their usual forms and
proportions. The mixture will include, but will not be limited to:
thimerosal (a mercury derivative), ethylene glycol (antifreeze), phenol (a
disinfectant dye), benzethonium chloride (a disinfectant), formaldehyde (a
preservative and disinfectant), and aluminum. 

The mixture will be prepared by Jock Doubleday, three medical professionals
that he names, and three medical professionals that the participant names.
The mixture will be body weight calibrated. 

The participant agrees, and any and all agents and associates of the
participant agree, to indemnify and hold harmless in perpetuity any and all
persons, organizations, or entities associated with the event for any harm
caused, or alleged to be caused, directly or indirectly, to the participant
or indirectly to the participant's heirs, relations, employers, employees,
colleagues, associates, or other persons, organizations, or entities
claiming association with, or representation of, the participant, by the
participant's participation in the event. 

Because the participant is either a professional caregiver who routinely
administers childhood vaccinations, or a pharmaceutical company CEO whose
business is, in part, the sale of childhood vaccines, it is understood by
all parties that the participant considers all vaccine additive ingredients
to be safe and that the participant considers any mixture containing these
ingredients to be safe.

The event will be held within six months of the participant's written
agreement to the above and further elaborated terms. This offer, dated
January 29, 2001, has no expiration date unless superceded by a similar
offer of higher remuneration. 

Contact Jock Doubleday at [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

New Development: A pediatric chiropractor in Hamburg, Germany has recently
added his $200,000.00 "S-Series 600" Mercedes (Brabus E V12), including
shipping costs to the U.S., to Mr. Doubleday's original $20,000.00 Reward.
This Mercedes has been named "The Fastest Four-Door Sedan in the World" by
the editors of The Guinness Book of Records. The original $20,000.00 and
said Mercedes heretofore together constitute the Reward until such time as
an additional item or additional items are added to the Reward. 


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Megan & Larry
Sent: Wednesday, 27 July 2005 1:29 PM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Vaccination

Hi Jo,

My experience is that we vaccinated our first son,wanted to question it but
we weren't at that place in ourselves, after his 12mth MMR, he was a very
sick boy and the hairs on the back of my neck stood up. Our GP at the time
was happy to say it was the vaccine, just give him 4 hourly paracetamol and
ignore the maximum dosage recommendation until better. There was no
reporting of the reaction.
A few years before that I had also been vaccinated by the same GP, for
"triple antigen" booster, ended up in emergency that night very sick and the
Dr accepted it as being a reaction to the vaccination, again no reporting.

After our son's reaction to MMR, we started the research and reached the
decision not to continue vaccinating. Our three other children are not
vaccinated.
We have have done the tetanus threat after a hospital visit for a split lip,
but refused to be bullied into it out of fear. Again went home made some
calls, read a lot and chose not to vaccinate.
We have had a 4 month old baby being treated for suspected meningitis, but
it hasn't changed our minds on vaccination. 

I cannot trust the government literature as I know now personally and
anecdotally how much under-reporting there is of adverse reactions. It's not
good enough that those vaccinating us can ignore any consequences of this
treatment, despite clear instructions to report these side effects. 

And why do Dr's get paid to vaccinate us? If it is so critical to our health
and well-being why do the government have an incentive payment to Dr's per
vaccination?

I can to tell you that not vaccinating my children is always with me. We are
always seeking more inform

RE: [ozmidwifery] Vaccination

[Megan & Larry]

Hi Jo,

My experience is that we vaccinated our first son,wanted to question it but
we weren't at that place in ourselves, after his 12mth MMR, he was a very
sick boy and the hairs on the back of my neck stood up. Our GP at the time
was happy to say it was the vaccine, just give him 4 hourly paracetamol and
ignore the maximum dosage recommendation until better. There was no
reporting of the reaction.
A few years before that I had also been vaccinated by the same GP, for
"triple antigen" booster, ended up in emergency that night very sick and the
Dr accepted it as being a reaction to the vaccination, again no reporting.

After our son's reaction to MMR, we started the research and reached the
decision not to continue vaccinating. Our three other children are not
vaccinated.
We have have done the tetanus threat after a hospital visit for a split lip,
but refused to be bullied into it out of fear. Again went home made some
calls, read a lot and chose not to vaccinate.
We have had a 4 month old baby being treated for suspected meningitis, but
it hasn't changed our minds on vaccination. 

I cannot trust the government literature as I know now personally and
anecdotally how much under-reporting there is of adverse reactions. It's not
good enough that those vaccinating us can ignore any consequences of this
treatment, despite clear instructions to report these side effects. 

And why do Dr's get paid to vaccinate us? If it is so critical to our health
and well-being why do the government have an incentive payment to Dr's per
vaccination?

I can to tell you that not vaccinating my children is always with me. We are
always seeking more information to support or change our decision. Everytime
I go to the Dr's (which is hardly ever)I wonder how it will be respected.
What kind of reaction will I get from others at school etc. I don't see it
as a burden, I just have it with me as part of my parenting, like so many
other things.

It's not an easy decision when you are starting out, like childbirth and the
choices we have with that, we do have to accept the benefits and
consequences of our actions. Parenting is a constant challenge, and we all
have our own notion of what is the best thing to do by our children. 

Welcome to the game of life. You can really only do what you believe to be
right at the time and after that don't look back just learn and move
forward.

Also check out VISA at http://www.visainfo.org.au/

Take your time to be sure whatever you decide

Megan (obviously with a lot to say) 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JoFromOz
Sent: Tuesday, 26 July 2005 10:58 PM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Vaccination

Hi All.

I don't want this to start a war or anything, but I would just like to hear
people's opinions (and why) on vaccinating babies.  This is the week for our
first vaccinations (I declined Birth HepB) as William is 2 months old
tomorrow.  We do want to get him vaccinated, it's just a matter of when we
start, and whether we get them all done together. 

Here is why I'm hesitant:

He is only 2 months old, and not going to be going into any childcare in the
near future (at LEAST 12 months if ever).

It isn't normal for a body to have to produce antibodies to 7 diseases all
at once - or is it?
I was thinking that it would be better to get only one injection at a time
so that if he reacts to something really badly, we will know which vaccine
to avoid next time.

The diseases such as Hep B and tetanus, and Diptheria, etc aren't all that
likely to find my son just yet - or are they?

However...

Should I just do it and not make a fuss? Just follow the government's
schedule?
He is in contact with 3 adults who work in schools - would that be a reason
to vaccinate sooner rather than later?

We have looked at pros and cons, and still can't come up with a concrete
decision.
Any opinions/info would be appreciated!

Thanks,
Jo :)

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Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaccination

[brendamanning]

Kate,

I suspect it's a combination of both a captive audience (in hosp) & setting 
a habit of reg vax. Plus it also reinforces the image that the hospitals 
support vax programmes.


I query the timing myself unless the infant is going into a high risk 
situation.
The attempt to not allow any 'at risk infants' slip through the cracks is 
admirable but then we end up with mass treatment for things that may not be 
applicable ie Konak & Synt.


A quick snap of the past:

30 years ago we had a ward (30 beds) in our mid unit (90 beds +)at a 
training hospital where all the 'high intervention' i.e. C/S, 
Forceps,Keillands & the like ) births were allocated for postnatal care. All 
the babies on these wards had konak. The babies on the other 3 floors did 
not have konak unless they were in SCBU. The same applied to the Synt, the 
women on the 'bottom floor"  (scuse the pun) all had an oxytocic, women on 
the other 3 floors didn't have it unless they required it.


Whatever happened to selective treatment, it's all prophylactic now isn't it 
? We'll breed a generation of women who cannot birth without aid because 
we've treated them all ..."Just In Case". In fact one hospital I've 
worked in had a pigeon hole of bloods, swabs, path etc taken off labouring 
women & stored whilst they are labouring JIC !! There's faith for you !


Brenda


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From: "Kate &/or Nick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 8:47 AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaccination



Does anyone know why we start at 3 days for Hep B then 8 weeks

for the routine ones? Does it have to do with the ideal timing or the
catchment time of the parents being in contact with the hospital & clinic
etc? MM

My gut says catchment. ANd maybe getting parents into the vaccination
mindset? Perhaps it is important for some babies in some homes, but can't
see that it is for most. Birth Hep B is an EXTRA vaccination. If you skip
it, you don't have to make it up.

Kate

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Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaccination

[Tanya Fleming]

HI Joas a parent...i believe the decision of vaccination is a very 
emotional and difficult one.  I have two children...5 and 3 years old.  I 
chose not to vaccinate them for many reasons.  I did have intentions of 
giving tetanus vacc. at 12 monthsbut my son is now 5 and have not done 
this.  I  am a believer in reading as much info. as you canand not just 
infor providing by the NHMRC and Health departments...as this is always one 
sided.  Australian vaccination network, is a good source of info.  I think 
there is a lot of unknowns about vaccinations still.  My one personal veiw 
against them isthat Hep.B is total overkill for a new born baby!  How 
many babiesif thatchildren, prior to being sexually active or using 
IV drugs are at significant risk of this disease  Probably only those of 
Hep.B mothers!


I think it is a good thing that you are considering all your options.  Most 
women just go along with it blindfolded, without knowing all the discussions 
about it.


GOod luck
Tanya.

- Original Message - 
From: "JoFromOz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 6:27 AM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Vaccination



Hi All.

I don't want this to start a war or anything, but I would just like to 
hear people's opinions (and why) on vaccinating babies.  This is the week 
for our first vaccinations (I declined Birth HepB) as William is 2 months 
old tomorrow.  We do want to get him vaccinated, it's just a matter of 
when we start, and whether we get them all done together.

Here is why I'm hesitant:

He is only 2 months old, and not going to be going into any childcare in 
the near future (at LEAST 12 months if ever).


It isn't normal for a body to have to produce antibodies to 7 diseases all 
at once - or is it?
I was thinking that it would be better to get only one injection at a time 
so that if he reacts to something really badly, we will know which vaccine 
to avoid next time.


The diseases such as Hep B and tetanus, and Diptheria, etc aren't all that 
likely to find my son just yet - or are they?


However...

Should I just do it and not make a fuss? Just follow the government's 
schedule?
He is in contact with 3 adults who work in schools - would that be a 
reason to vaccinate sooner rather than later?


We have looked at pros and cons, and still can't come up with a concrete 
decision.

Any opinions/info would be appreciated!

Thanks,
Jo :)

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Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaccination

[Dr Chris Harnden]

Hi Jo,

Maybe a better idea would be for the drug companies to work for free and
then we could pay through our taxes for all the research and maybe we
shouldn`t elect corupt officials who are intent on doing us harm in the name
of profit!!

Pam
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From: "jo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 12:52 PM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Vaccination


> Hi Pam,
>
> I'm not questioning a Dr's ethics - simply stating fact. What I am
> questioning is the ethics of drug companies and the Govt.
>
> Jo
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dr Chris
Harnden
> Sent: Wednesday, 27 July 2005 10:34 AM
> To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
> Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaccination
>
> Hi Jo,
>
> I think it is difficult to generalise when you talk about GP`s being
> motivated by money when they vaccinate against children I believe it
spreads
> a feeling of mistrust in the medical profession. They did not attend
medical
> school and go through years of training to endanger their patients purely
on
> the basis of money.
> They became doctors to look after the sick and injured and to protect
their
> patients I`m sorry you had a bad experience but to question a doctors
ethics
> is dangerous.
>
> Pam
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "jo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 11:47 AM
> Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Vaccination
>
>
> > Hi Jo,
> >
> > Vaccination is such a personal and difficult issue and no one can make
the
> > decision for you. It is one of the many decisions you will have to make
> over
> > the years on behalf of your child and empowering yourself with
information
> > is the best start.
> >
> > I'd like to share with you my personal experiences around vaccination.
> Like
> > you, I had reservations about vaccinating when my first baby was born,
> after
> > much agonizing we decided to go with the vaccinations. The 2 month one
was
> > ok, if not distressing for myself and my baby, some temps in bub but
> > generally ok.
> >
> > The 4 month one was a different story. Although no where near as severe
as
> > some stories I have read, the reaction she had was enough for me to
> > discontinue any vaccinations. Within 12 hours of the vaccination her
temp
> > was 40 deg, she screamed non stop for almost 24 hours, she arched her
> back,
> > refused to breastfeed, would not take any fluid at all (I tried boiled
> water
> > on a teaspoon), she started to projectile vomit and continued to for
appr
> 9
> > hours. Fortunately a few days later she was back to her normal self.
When
> I
> > spoke to the Dr she said it's ok it will pass and its more than likely a
> > reaction to the vaccination. I felt a lot of guilt at injecting some
> unknown
> > substance into my perfect baby and made the decision then and there to
> > always go with my instincts.
> >
> > I went on to have 3 more children and have not vaccinated any of them,
> they
> > are now 9, 7, 5 and 3 and are all healthy normal children.
> >
> > Like the RH - discussion I do believe there is an awful lot of money to
be
> > made  by drug companies and the Govt. Dr's receive a monetary incentive
> from
> > the Govt when they vaccinate a child and the more vac's they give the
> higher
> > the payment from the Govt.
> >
> > There is just so much to consider around this issue and the book
> Vaccination
> > Roulette - you can order it through www.avn.org.au is an extremely
> > informative read and a real eye opener.
> >
> > If you do decide to vaccinate Jo, I think breaking them up and doing one
> at
> > a time is a great idea and it would give his little system a chance to
> fight
> > each one individually.
> >
> > The one thing that I find extraordinary is that if there is an outbreak
of
> > measles at school (an outbreak is considered 1 case). I need to keep my
> > unvaccinated children at home in order to protect the other vaccinated
> > children. If vaccination really worked this should not be an issue as
> those
> > vaccinated children should be 'protected' against the disease. This has
> > actually happened to me and a whole heap of kids at school went down
with
> > measles (most immunized) and mine didn't - WHAT THE?
> >
> > Good luck Jo on making this very difficult decision.
> >
> > Warm regards
> >
> > Jo Hunter
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > Fro

RE: [ozmidwifery] Vaccination

[jo]

Hi Pam,

I'm not questioning a Dr's ethics - simply stating fact. What I am
questioning is the ethics of drug companies and the Govt.

Jo

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dr Chris Harnden
Sent: Wednesday, 27 July 2005 10:34 AM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaccination

Hi Jo,

I think it is difficult to generalise when you talk about GP`s being
motivated by money when they vaccinate against children I believe it spreads
a feeling of mistrust in the medical profession. They did not attend medical
school and go through years of training to endanger their patients purely on
the basis of money.
They became doctors to look after the sick and injured and to protect their
patients I`m sorry you had a bad experience but to question a doctors ethics
is dangerous.

Pam

- Original Message - 
From: "jo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 11:47 AM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Vaccination


> Hi Jo,
>
> Vaccination is such a personal and difficult issue and no one can make the
> decision for you. It is one of the many decisions you will have to make
over
> the years on behalf of your child and empowering yourself with information
> is the best start.
>
> I'd like to share with you my personal experiences around vaccination.
Like
> you, I had reservations about vaccinating when my first baby was born,
after
> much agonizing we decided to go with the vaccinations. The 2 month one was
> ok, if not distressing for myself and my baby, some temps in bub but
> generally ok.
>
> The 4 month one was a different story. Although no where near as severe as
> some stories I have read, the reaction she had was enough for me to
> discontinue any vaccinations. Within 12 hours of the vaccination her temp
> was 40 deg, she screamed non stop for almost 24 hours, she arched her
back,
> refused to breastfeed, would not take any fluid at all (I tried boiled
water
> on a teaspoon), she started to projectile vomit and continued to for appr
9
> hours. Fortunately a few days later she was back to her normal self. When
I
> spoke to the Dr she said it's ok it will pass and its more than likely a
> reaction to the vaccination. I felt a lot of guilt at injecting some
unknown
> substance into my perfect baby and made the decision then and there to
> always go with my instincts.
>
> I went on to have 3 more children and have not vaccinated any of them,
they
> are now 9, 7, 5 and 3 and are all healthy normal children.
>
> Like the RH - discussion I do believe there is an awful lot of money to be
> made  by drug companies and the Govt. Dr's receive a monetary incentive
from
> the Govt when they vaccinate a child and the more vac's they give the
higher
> the payment from the Govt.
>
> There is just so much to consider around this issue and the book
Vaccination
> Roulette - you can order it through www.avn.org.au is an extremely
> informative read and a real eye opener.
>
> If you do decide to vaccinate Jo, I think breaking them up and doing one
at
> a time is a great idea and it would give his little system a chance to
fight
> each one individually.
>
> The one thing that I find extraordinary is that if there is an outbreak of
> measles at school (an outbreak is considered 1 case). I need to keep my
> unvaccinated children at home in order to protect the other vaccinated
> children. If vaccination really worked this should not be an issue as
those
> vaccinated children should be 'protected' against the disease. This has
> actually happened to me and a whole heap of kids at school went down with
> measles (most immunized) and mine didn't - WHAT THE?
>
> Good luck Jo on making this very difficult decision.
>
> Warm regards
>
> Jo Hunter
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JoFromOz
> Sent: Tuesday, 26 July 2005 11:28 PM
> To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
> Subject: [ozmidwifery] Vaccination
>
> Hi All.
>
> I don't want this to start a war or anything, but I would just like to
> hear people's opinions (and why) on vaccinating babies.  This is the
> week for our first vaccinations (I declined Birth HepB) as William is 2
> months old tomorrow.  We do want to get him vaccinated, it's just a
> matter of when we start, and whether we get them all done together.
>
> Here is why I'm hesitant:
>
> He is only 2 months old, and not going to be going into any childcare in
> the near future (at LEAST 12 months if ever).
>
> It isn't normal for a body to have to produce antibodies to 7 diseases
> all at once - or is it?
> I was thinking that it would be better to get 

Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaccination

[Dr Chris Harnden]

Hi Jo,

I think it is difficult to generalise when you talk about GP`s being
motivated by money when they vaccinate against children I believe it spreads
a feeling of mistrust in the medical profession. They did not attend medical
school and go through years of training to endanger their patients purely on
the basis of money.
They became doctors to look after the sick and injured and to protect their
patients I`m sorry you had a bad experience but to question a doctors ethics
is dangerous.

Pam

- Original Message - 
From: "jo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 11:47 AM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Vaccination


> Hi Jo,
>
> Vaccination is such a personal and difficult issue and no one can make the
> decision for you. It is one of the many decisions you will have to make
over
> the years on behalf of your child and empowering yourself with information
> is the best start.
>
> I'd like to share with you my personal experiences around vaccination.
Like
> you, I had reservations about vaccinating when my first baby was born,
after
> much agonizing we decided to go with the vaccinations. The 2 month one was
> ok, if not distressing for myself and my baby, some temps in bub but
> generally ok.
>
> The 4 month one was a different story. Although no where near as severe as
> some stories I have read, the reaction she had was enough for me to
> discontinue any vaccinations. Within 12 hours of the vaccination her temp
> was 40 deg, she screamed non stop for almost 24 hours, she arched her
back,
> refused to breastfeed, would not take any fluid at all (I tried boiled
water
> on a teaspoon), she started to projectile vomit and continued to for appr
9
> hours. Fortunately a few days later she was back to her normal self. When
I
> spoke to the Dr she said it's ok it will pass and its more than likely a
> reaction to the vaccination. I felt a lot of guilt at injecting some
unknown
> substance into my perfect baby and made the decision then and there to
> always go with my instincts.
>
> I went on to have 3 more children and have not vaccinated any of them,
they
> are now 9, 7, 5 and 3 and are all healthy normal children.
>
> Like the RH - discussion I do believe there is an awful lot of money to be
> made  by drug companies and the Govt. Dr's receive a monetary incentive
from
> the Govt when they vaccinate a child and the more vac's they give the
higher
> the payment from the Govt.
>
> There is just so much to consider around this issue and the book
Vaccination
> Roulette - you can order it through www.avn.org.au is an extremely
> informative read and a real eye opener.
>
> If you do decide to vaccinate Jo, I think breaking them up and doing one
at
> a time is a great idea and it would give his little system a chance to
fight
> each one individually.
>
> The one thing that I find extraordinary is that if there is an outbreak of
> measles at school (an outbreak is considered 1 case). I need to keep my
> unvaccinated children at home in order to protect the other vaccinated
> children. If vaccination really worked this should not be an issue as
those
> vaccinated children should be 'protected' against the disease. This has
> actually happened to me and a whole heap of kids at school went down with
> measles (most immunized) and mine didn't - WHAT THE?
>
> Good luck Jo on making this very difficult decision.
>
> Warm regards
>
> Jo Hunter
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JoFromOz
> Sent: Tuesday, 26 July 2005 11:28 PM
> To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
> Subject: [ozmidwifery] Vaccination
>
> Hi All.
>
> I don't want this to start a war or anything, but I would just like to
> hear people's opinions (and why) on vaccinating babies.  This is the
> week for our first vaccinations (I declined Birth HepB) as William is 2
> months old tomorrow.  We do want to get him vaccinated, it's just a
> matter of when we start, and whether we get them all done together.
>
> Here is why I'm hesitant:
>
> He is only 2 months old, and not going to be going into any childcare in
> the near future (at LEAST 12 months if ever).
>
> It isn't normal for a body to have to produce antibodies to 7 diseases
> all at once - or is it?
> I was thinking that it would be better to get only one injection at a
> time so that if he reacts to something really badly, we will know which
> vaccine to avoid next time.
>
> The diseases such as Hep B and tetanus, and Diptheria, etc aren't all
> that likely to find my son just yet - or are they?
>
> However...
>
> Should I just do it and not make a fuss? Just follow the go

RE: [ozmidwifery] Vaccination

[jo]

Hi Jo,

Vaccination is such a personal and difficult issue and no one can make the
decision for you. It is one of the many decisions you will have to make over
the years on behalf of your child and empowering yourself with information
is the best start.

I'd like to share with you my personal experiences around vaccination. Like
you, I had reservations about vaccinating when my first baby was born, after
much agonizing we decided to go with the vaccinations. The 2 month one was
ok, if not distressing for myself and my baby, some temps in bub but
generally ok.

The 4 month one was a different story. Although no where near as severe as
some stories I have read, the reaction she had was enough for me to
discontinue any vaccinations. Within 12 hours of the vaccination her temp
was 40 deg, she screamed non stop for almost 24 hours, she arched her back,
refused to breastfeed, would not take any fluid at all (I tried boiled water
on a teaspoon), she started to projectile vomit and continued to for appr 9
hours. Fortunately a few days later she was back to her normal self. When I
spoke to the Dr she said it's ok it will pass and its more than likely a
reaction to the vaccination. I felt a lot of guilt at injecting some unknown
substance into my perfect baby and made the decision then and there to
always go with my instincts.

I went on to have 3 more children and have not vaccinated any of them, they
are now 9, 7, 5 and 3 and are all healthy normal children.

Like the RH - discussion I do believe there is an awful lot of money to be
made  by drug companies and the Govt. Dr's receive a monetary incentive from
the Govt when they vaccinate a child and the more vac's they give the higher
the payment from the Govt.

There is just so much to consider around this issue and the book Vaccination
Roulette - you can order it through www.avn.org.au is an extremely
informative read and a real eye opener.

If you do decide to vaccinate Jo, I think breaking them up and doing one at
a time is a great idea and it would give his little system a chance to fight
each one individually.

The one thing that I find extraordinary is that if there is an outbreak of
measles at school (an outbreak is considered 1 case). I need to keep my
unvaccinated children at home in order to protect the other vaccinated
children. If vaccination really worked this should not be an issue as those
vaccinated children should be 'protected' against the disease. This has
actually happened to me and a whole heap of kids at school went down with
measles (most immunized) and mine didn't - WHAT THE?

Good luck Jo on making this very difficult decision.

Warm regards

Jo Hunter



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JoFromOz
Sent: Tuesday, 26 July 2005 11:28 PM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Vaccination

Hi All.

I don't want this to start a war or anything, but I would just like to 
hear people's opinions (and why) on vaccinating babies.  This is the 
week for our first vaccinations (I declined Birth HepB) as William is 2 
months old tomorrow.  We do want to get him vaccinated, it's just a 
matter of when we start, and whether we get them all done together. 

Here is why I'm hesitant:

He is only 2 months old, and not going to be going into any childcare in 
the near future (at LEAST 12 months if ever).

It isn't normal for a body to have to produce antibodies to 7 diseases 
all at once - or is it?
I was thinking that it would be better to get only one injection at a 
time so that if he reacts to something really badly, we will know which 
vaccine to avoid next time.

The diseases such as Hep B and tetanus, and Diptheria, etc aren't all 
that likely to find my son just yet - or are they?

However...

Should I just do it and not make a fuss? Just follow the government's 
schedule?
He is in contact with 3 adults who work in schools - would that be a 
reason to vaccinate sooner rather than later?

We have looked at pros and cons, and still can't come up with a concrete 
decision.
Any opinions/info would be appreciated!

Thanks,
Jo :)

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Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaccination

[Diane Gardner]

You might think that skipping it is OK but you actually get a letter stating
that you have not had your child vaccinated against HepB, so Big Brothers
watches.

Diane


- Original Message - 
From: "Kate &/or Nick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 8:47 AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaccination


> >> Does anyone know why we start at 3 days for Hep B then 8 weeks
> for the routine ones? Does it have to do with the ideal timing or the
> catchment time of the parents being in contact with the hospital & clinic
> etc? MM
>
> My gut says catchment. ANd maybe getting parents into the vaccination
> mindset? Perhaps it is important for some babies in some homes, but can't
> see that it is for most. Birth Hep B is an EXTRA vaccination. If you skip
> it, you don't have to make it up.
>
> Kate


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Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaccination

[Kate &/or Nick]

>> Does anyone know why we start at 3 days for Hep B then 8 weeks
for the routine ones? Does it have to do with the ideal timing or the
catchment time of the parents being in contact with the hospital & clinic
etc? MM

My gut says catchment. ANd maybe getting parents into the vaccination 
mindset? Perhaps it is important for some babies in some homes, but can't 
see that it is for most. Birth Hep B is an EXTRA vaccination. If you skip 
it, you don't have to make it up.

Kate

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RE: [ozmidwifery] Vaccination

[Mary Murphy]

I guess we are talking about 2 different scenarios. Jo has a 2 mth old baby,
Pam's little one was 4 yrs old.  What are the vaccination schedules in other
countries? Does anyone know why we start at 3 days for Hep B then 8 weeks
for the routine ones? Does it have to do with the ideal timing or the
catchment time of the parents being in contact with the hospital & clinic
etc? MM

Pam wrote "recently my 4 year old had to play catch up with hers and it
seemed cruel to take her back for eight separate visits to have eight
needles so therefore we made a decision that she would have them at one
visit. There were no ill effects 

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Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaccination

[Dr Chris Harnden]

Hi Jo,

Vaccinating your child is one of the most difficult decisions a parent can
make.
I can assure you that I am sure that those professionals who make the
decisions about what is safe to give and when have would not make
recommendations with any intent to harm our future nation. It is their duty
to present to us the choice and make available to us these vaccinations to
protect our children and to try and irradicate diseases which possibly
permanently harm or kill our children.
Unfortunately it is our decision as parents and we should never feel
pressured or bullied by anyone either way and just make the decision that we
feel most comfortable with. If you do not feel happy to have the
immunisations yet then perhaps you shouldn`t but that is entirely your
decision the choice and I enphasise choice is yours.
My own personal opinion I have had my children vaccinated and recently my 4
year old had to play catch up with hers and it seemed cruel to take her back
for eight separate visits to have eight needles so therefore we made a
decision that she would have them at one visit. There were no ill effects I
am sure that there are others out there who feel differently but that is my
opinion I`m not sure it helps but there we are.

All the best
Pam (midwife New Zealand)
- Original Message - 
From: "JoFromOz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 1:27 AM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Vaccination


> Hi All.
>
> I don't want this to start a war or anything, but I would just like to
> hear people's opinions (and why) on vaccinating babies.  This is the
> week for our first vaccinations (I declined Birth HepB) as William is 2
> months old tomorrow.  We do want to get him vaccinated, it's just a
> matter of when we start, and whether we get them all done together.
>
> Here is why I'm hesitant:
>
> He is only 2 months old, and not going to be going into any childcare in
> the near future (at LEAST 12 months if ever).
>
> It isn't normal for a body to have to produce antibodies to 7 diseases
> all at once - or is it?
> I was thinking that it would be better to get only one injection at a
> time so that if he reacts to something really badly, we will know which
> vaccine to avoid next time.
>
> The diseases such as Hep B and tetanus, and Diptheria, etc aren't all
> that likely to find my son just yet - or are they?
>
> However...
>
> Should I just do it and not make a fuss? Just follow the government's
> schedule?
> He is in contact with 3 adults who work in schools - would that be a
> reason to vaccinate sooner rather than later?
>
> We have looked at pros and cons, and still can't come up with a concrete
> decision.
> Any opinions/info would be appreciated!
>
> Thanks,
> Jo :)
>
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaccination

[Diane Gardner]

Hi Jo

I talk quite extensively with my pregnant couples about vaccination because
the Education classes only just touch on the subject. I give them this
information and then they make their own decisions.

1. Vitamin K orally to save the trauma immediately after birth and let them
also know that 2 more followups are required.
2. Hep B - waiting at least a couple of days before their new little systems
are bombarded or even leaving it until they get home.
3. That their 2 month vaccinations be spread out weekly either at the
centres where they do them or in their doctor's office, that way as you said
Jo, if there is a reaction then you know which one it is.

I have many couples who are Chiropractors, Osteopaths, Naturopaths,
Kinesiologists etc. who do not believe in vaccinations. I cover all aspects
and then they make their own choices. I wonder so much though about the
increased incidence of asthma, allergies and skin allergies. Are their
little immune systems being broken down by the bombardment of all these
injected viruses?

I hear that in the USA there are even more vaccinations than we give in Aus.
It's a hard call Jo but a little baby with Whooping Cough is a horrible
thing also.

Becoming concerned,
Diane
www.dianegardner.com.au




- Original Message - 
From: "JoFromOz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 11:27 PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Vaccination


> Hi All.
>
> I don't want this to start a war or anything, but I would just like to
> hear people's opinions (and why) on vaccinating babies.  This is the
> week for our first vaccinations (I declined Birth HepB) as William is 2
> months old tomorrow.  We do want to get him vaccinated, it's just a
> matter of when we start, and whether we get them all done together.
>
> Here is why I'm hesitant:
>
> He is only 2 months old, and not going to be going into any childcare in
> the near future (at LEAST 12 months if ever).
>
> It isn't normal for a body to have to produce antibodies to 7 diseases
> all at once - or is it?
> I was thinking that it would be better to get only one injection at a
> time so that if he reacts to something really badly, we will know which
> vaccine to avoid next time.
>
> The diseases such as Hep B and tetanus, and Diptheria, etc aren't all
> that likely to find my son just yet - or are they?
>
> However...
>
> Should I just do it and not make a fuss? Just follow the government's
> schedule?
> He is in contact with 3 adults who work in schools - would that be a
> reason to vaccinate sooner rather than later?
>
> We have looked at pros and cons, and still can't come up with a concrete
> decision.
> Any opinions/info would be appreciated!
>
> Thanks,
> Jo :)
>
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[ozmidwifery] Vaccination

[JoFromOz]

Hi All.

I don't want this to start a war or anything, but I would just like to 
hear people's opinions (and why) on vaccinating babies.  This is the 
week for our first vaccinations (I declined Birth HepB) as William is 2 
months old tomorrow.  We do want to get him vaccinated, it's just a 
matter of when we start, and whether we get them all done together. 


Here is why I'm hesitant:

He is only 2 months old, and not going to be going into any childcare in 
the near future (at LEAST 12 months if ever).


It isn't normal for a body to have to produce antibodies to 7 diseases 
all at once - or is it?
I was thinking that it would be better to get only one injection at a 
time so that if he reacts to something really badly, we will know which 
vaccine to avoid next time.


The diseases such as Hep B and tetanus, and Diptheria, etc aren't all 
that likely to find my son just yet - or are they?


However...

Should I just do it and not make a fuss? Just follow the government's 
schedule?
He is in contact with 3 adults who work in schools - would that be a 
reason to vaccinate sooner rather than later?


We have looked at pros and cons, and still can't come up with a concrete 
decision.

Any opinions/info would be appreciated!

Thanks,
Jo :)

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[ozmidwifery] Vaccination HepB

[gresch]

Hi all,
In SA we have an excellent, well established vaccination support group called 
VISA (Vaccination Information South Australia) www.visainfo.org.au
They have just updated their info booklet, 64 pages, "Investigate before you 
vaccinate: A guide for parents", full of info on all the available vaccinations 
and fully referenced, easy to read too.
It is also vital that all reactions are reported, consumers can ring 1800 007 
468 or go to www.tga.gov.au . The law requires that Dr's report adverse events 
following Immunisation that occur any time following vaccination. Yet the 
Government admit less than 10% of adverse events are reported, believed to be 
closer to 2.5%.
Wether you choose to vacciante or not, if an adverse event occurs and no one is 
recording it, it doesn't officailly exist. How can we be making informed choice 
on lies.

Also check out the archives, HepB has come up before with a number of people 
sharing their expeiences at workplaces.

Cheers
Megan

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[ozmidwifery] Vaccination seminar in Adelaide

[Larry & Megan]

Vaccination Information SA
is pleased to host visiting lecturer
Dr Viera Scheibner
vaccine researcher, author and presenter.
Viera presents her latest research including information on the very
topical-
·Meningococcal, Anthrax and Smallpox vaccines,

·MMR and autism and

·“Shaken Baby Syndrome”

These topics and more on vaccination will be discussed, literature will be
available.



When : Friday July 25, 7-10pm &

  Saturday July 26, 2-5pm

Where: Goodwood Community Centre Rosa St, Goodwood

Cost :   $12 Single

  $20 Double

  $8 Concession



BYO Mug for delicious organic soup!

 *Bookings essential!



To secure seats now, send a stamped, self-addressed envelope enclosing a
cheque,money order or credit account details for tickets to :

Vaccination Information South Australia P.O.Box 643 Magill SA 5072

For further information -

Ph/Fax  8336 5236

Email   [EMAIL PROTECTED]



Investigate Before You Vaccinate

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Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaccination Incentive Payments

[Sandra J. Eales]

Thanks Ann
I thought that was the case but wasn't entirely sure about the conscientious
objector form.
Sandra
- Original Message -
From: "Ann green" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 8:11 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaccination Incentive Payments


> Dear Sandra,
> I don't know if this helps but here goes.Although I am
> happy enough for my babies to have the full
> immunisation program I was not happy with the idea of
> the Hep.B at birth.I checked with my G.P and a paed.
> as to whether the lack of injection at birth would
> stop the baby from having full protection against Hep
> B.Both stated that there was no medical evidence that
> the Hep B at birth,except for Hep B mothers was
> necessary.When my baies turned 18 months I was
> entitled to that $250 + allowance.Ann --- "Sandra J.
> Eales" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Wonder if anyone
> can help me with a couple of
> > questions or references where I might find out the
> > answers?
> >
> > Do doctors miss out on their $18.50 incentive
> > payment if the child doesn't have the Hep B birth
> > Dose but completes the rests of the  vaccination
> > schedule?
> >
> > What about parent's incentive payment - do they
> > still have to go through the whole conscientious
> > objection deal - given that the child is still fully
> > immunised and there is no "catch up" required?
> >
> > Sandra
> >
>
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaccination Incentive Payments

[Ann green]

Dear Sandra,
I don't know if this helps but here goes.Although I am
happy enough for my babies to have the full
immunisation program I was not happy with the idea of
the Hep.B at birth.I checked with my G.P and a paed.
as to whether the lack of injection at birth would
stop the baby from having full protection against Hep
B.Both stated that there was no medical evidence that
the Hep B at birth,except for Hep B mothers was
necessary.When my baies turned 18 months I was
entitled to that $250 + allowance.Ann --- "Sandra J.
Eales" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Wonder if anyone
can help me with a couple of
> questions or references where I might find out the
> answers?
> 
> Do doctors miss out on their $18.50 incentive
> payment if the child doesn't have the Hep B birth
> Dose but completes the rests of the  vaccination
> schedule? 
> 
> What about parent's incentive payment - do they
> still have to go through the whole conscientious
> objection deal - given that the child is still fully
> immunised and there is no "catch up" required?
> 
> Sandra
>  

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[ozmidwifery] Vaccination Incentive Payments

[Sandra J. Eales]

Wonder if anyone can help me with a couple 
of questions or references where I might find out the answers?
 
Do doctors miss out on their $18.50 incentive 
payment if the child doesn't have the Hep B birth Dose but completes 
the rests of the  vaccination schedule? 
 
What about parent's incentive payment - do they 
still have to go through the whole conscientious objection deal - given that the 
child is still fully immunised and there is no "catch up" required?
 
Sandra

RE: [ozmidwifery] Vaccination Information

[Larry & Megan]

Hi Robyn, 
South Australia has an excellent vaccination support group called VISA, you
can e-mail them on  [EMAIL PROTECTED] . I'm sure that they can provide
you with the info you need.

Megan Resch

>  -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Sunday, 9 February 2003 12:15
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  [ozmidwifery] Vaccination Information
> 
> Does anyone have a collection of websites that give the pro's and con's of
> Vaccination.  I do have some but I want to give women a good list of
> valuable references so they can be better informed.  Would appreciate any
> information you may have.
> 
> Robyn 
> 
> Robyn Thompson
> 
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> Specialist Services  Pty Ltd  (abn 34 007 423 994)
> Independent Midwifery Practice
> 
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> * Homebirth  
> * Lactation
> * Maternal & Child Health
> 
> www.melbmidwifery.com.au
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 

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Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaccination Information

[Lois Wattis]

Thank you Darren - exactly what I needed.  Kind 
Regards, Lois
 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Darren 
  Sunn 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2003 11:40 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaccination 
  Information
  
  Below are a number of hyperlinks for vacination 
  information
  If these dont work go to :
  http://www.avn.org.au/links.htm
   
  regards,
   
  Darren Sunn
   
   
  Australian Groups:
   
  
  


  

  Vaccination Information 
  South Australia (VISA) 
  AVN Lithgow 
  
  Australian Vegetarian 
  Society (Great Magazine!) 
  

  Immunisation Awareness Society (IAS) 
  Vaccination Information 
  Service 
  American Pro-Choice Groups
  The American groups are growing in number which 
  is wonderful to see.  If anyone knows of a group which has a website but 
  which is not listed below, please email me at [EMAIL PROTECTED].
  
  


  

  Vaccination Liberation 
  Pennsylvania Parents for 
  Vaccine Awareness 
  Vaccine Information and Awareness 
  Vaccination 
  Alternatives 
  People Advocating 
  Vaccine Education (PAVE) 
  Well Within 
  Natural Immunity Information 
  Network 
  Shirley's 
  Wellness Page 
  Vaccination 
  Policy FAQ 
  Informed 
  Parents Vaccination Homepage 
  What 
  You Don't Know Could Hurt Your Children - Joan Batista 

  

  National Vaccine Information   
  Centre (NVIC) 
  Citizens 
  for Healthcare Freedom 
  Concerned Parents 
  for Vaccine Safety 
  Parents Requesting Open Vaccine 
  Education (PROVE) 
  Global Vaccine Awareness League 
  (GVAL) 
  The 
  Preventorium 
  International Advocates for 
  Health Freedom (IAHF) 
  Missouri 
  Citizens Coalition for Freedom in Health Care 
  Think Twice Global Vaccine 
  Institute (Neil Miller) 
  Arizona Vaccine 
  Information Network - Incredible amount of information! 
  
  Canadian 
  Pro-Choice Groups
  
  


  

  Freedom 
  of Choice in Healthcare Canada 
   
  European 
  Pro-Choice Groups
  Ditto what I said above - I am sure there must be 
  more European Pro-Choice websites.  If anyone can forward the 
  information, that would be much appreciated.
  
  


  

  French National 
  League for Freedom in Vaccination 
  Dutch Pro-Choice Vaccination League 
  Nederlandse Vereniging Krtisch Prikken (in 
  Dutch) 
  

  Finnish pro-choice organization - 
  Rokotusinfo ry (in Finnish) 
  VacciNetwork (Italian and 
  English) 
  Vaccination Awareness Network 
  UK 
  WHALE Vaccine Site 
  
  Medical 
  Pro-Choice Links
  Not all doctors are pro-vaccination - and not all 
  doctors believe that people should not be allowed free choice. The sites 
  listed below are all run by medical doctors who support our rights to choose 
  what is best for our families.
  
  


  

  Dr. 
  Bart Classen - Vaccine Safety Website 
  American Association of 
  Physicians & Surgeons (AAPS) 
  

  Center 
  for Complex Infectious Diseases 
  Dr. Michel 
  Odent 
  Orthomolecular Medicine 
  Dr. 
  Rebecca Carley (A doctor facing loss of her medical license for 
  not vaccinating!) 
  Autism
  Autistic spectrum disorders have been linked with 
  vaccination for many years.   These links will give you an idea of what 
  autism is, what treatments are being used to try and help autistic children 
  and adults and how families are coping with autism.   
  
  


  

  Center for the Study of Autism - 
  Recommended! 
  Society for 
  the Autistically Handicapped 
  Autism Research 
  Unit 
  Autism Site 
  Vaccination? 

  Unlocking Autism 
  Autism Conference 
  Autism: A Unique Form of 
  Mercury Poisoning 
  Autism 2000 - 
  A Tragedy 
  Medicine for Autism Today 
  Mercury in 
  Vaccines 
  

  The Autism Autoimmunity 
  Project 
  Autism Resources -   
  Includes Autism FAQ 
  NeuroImmuno Therapeutics Research 
  Foundation 
  Intestinal 
  Permeability: MMR and Interferon Gamma 
  Autism Research 
  Monographs - Recommended! 
  Beyond Autism -by a 
  parent

Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaccination Information

[Darren Sunn]

Below are a number of hyperlinks for vacination 
information
If these dont work go to :
http://www.avn.org.au/links.htm
 
regards,
 
Darren Sunn
 
 
Australian Groups:
 


  
  

  
Vaccination Information 
South Australia (VISA) 
AVN Lithgow 
Australian Vegetarian Society 
(Great Magazine!) 

  
Immunisation Awareness Society (IAS) 
Vaccination Information 
Service 
American Pro-Choice Groups
The American groups are growing in number which is 
wonderful to see.  If anyone knows of a group which has a website but which 
is not listed below, please email me at [EMAIL PROTECTED].


  
  

  
Vaccination Liberation 
Pennsylvania Parents for 
Vaccine Awareness 
Vaccine Information and Awareness 
Vaccination 
Alternatives 
People Advocating 
Vaccine Education (PAVE) 
Well Within 
Natural Immunity Information 
Network 
Shirley's 
Wellness Page 
Vaccination 
Policy FAQ 
Informed 
Parents Vaccination Homepage 
What 
You Don't Know Could Hurt Your Children - Joan Batista 
  

  
National 
Vaccine Information   Centre (NVIC) 
Citizens for 
Healthcare Freedom 
Concerned Parents for 
Vaccine Safety 
Parents Requesting Open Vaccine 
Education (PROVE) 
Global Vaccine Awareness League 
(GVAL) 
The 
Preventorium 
International Advocates for 
Health Freedom (IAHF) 
Missouri 
Citizens Coalition for Freedom in Health Care 
Think Twice Global Vaccine 
Institute (Neil Miller) 
Arizona Vaccine 
Information Network - Incredible amount of information! 
  
Canadian Pro-Choice 
Groups


  
  

  
Freedom of 
Choice in Healthcare Canada 
 
European Pro-Choice 
Groups
Ditto what I said above - I am sure there must be 
more European Pro-Choice websites.  If anyone can forward the information, 
that would be much appreciated.


  
  

  
French National 
League for Freedom in Vaccination 
Dutch Pro-Choice Vaccination League 
Nederlandse Vereniging Krtisch Prikken (in 
Dutch) 

  
Finnish pro-choice organization - 
Rokotusinfo ry (in Finnish) 
VacciNetwork (Italian and 
English) 
Vaccination Awareness Network 
UK 
WHALE Vaccine Site 

Medical Pro-Choice 
Links
Not all doctors are pro-vaccination - and not all 
doctors believe that people should not be allowed free choice. The sites listed 
below are all run by medical doctors who support our rights to choose what is 
best for our families.


  
  

  
Dr. 
Bart Classen - Vaccine Safety Website 
American Association of 
Physicians & Surgeons (AAPS) 

  
Center for 
Complex Infectious Diseases 
Dr. Michel 
Odent 
Orthomolecular Medicine 
Dr. 
Rebecca Carley (A doctor facing loss of her medical license for not 
vaccinating!) 
Autism
Autistic spectrum disorders have been linked with 
vaccination for many years.   These links will give you an idea of what 
autism is, what treatments are being used to try and help autistic children and 
adults and how families are coping with autism.   


  
  

  
Center for the Study of Autism - Recommended! 
Society for the 
Autistically Handicapped 
Autism Research 
Unit 
Autism Site 
Vaccination? 

Unlocking Autism 
Autism 
Conference 
Autism: A Unique Form of 
Mercury Poisoning 
Autism 2000 - A 
Tragedy 
Medicine for Autism Today 
Mercury in Vaccines 


  
The 
Autism Autoimmunity Project 
Autism Resources -   
Includes Autism FAQ 
NeuroImmuno Therapeutics Research 
Foundation 
Intestinal 
Permeability: MMR and Interferon Gamma 
Autism Research 
Monographs - Recommended! 
Beyond Autism -by a 
parent - for parents 
Autism 99 - A 
National Emergency 
Autism - Is there 
a vaccine connection? 
Guillain-Barre 
Syndrome (GBS)


  
  

  
Guillain-Barre Syndrome Support Group 
UK 
Barbara's Little 
CIDP/GBS Site 
 
SIDS (Sudden Infant 
Death Syndrome)


  
  

  
SIDS and Childhood Vaccines-Is 
There A Connection? 
Dr. 
Archie Kalokerinos 

  
Do Vaccines Cause Cot Deaths? - 
Harris Coulter 
Shaken Baby Syndrome 
and Vaccination 
Polio 


  
  

  
Pesticides and Polio 
 
Govern

Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaccination Information

[Lois Wattis]

I am in need of the same information for a childbirth education class next
weekend. If someone could post info to the list I would appreciate the help
too.  PS - Hi Robyn!!.  Cheers, Lois
- Original Message -
From: "Robyn Thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2003 9:44 AM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Vaccination Information


Does anyone have a collection of websites that give the pro's and con's of
Vaccination.  I do have some but I want to give women a good list of
valuable references so they can be better informed.  Would appreciate any
information you may have.

Robyn

Robyn Thompson

Melbourne Midwifery
Specialist Services  Pty Ltd  (abn 34 007 423 994)
Independent Midwifery Practice

Midwife Practitioner
* Homebirth
* Lactation
* Maternal & Child Health

www.melbmidwifery.com.au
[EMAIL PROTECTED]



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[ozmidwifery] Vaccination Information

[Robyn Thompson]

Does anyone have a collection of websites that give the pro's and con's of
Vaccination.  I do have some but I want to give women a good list of
valuable references so they can be better informed.  Would appreciate any
information you may have.

Robyn 

Robyn Thompson

Melbourne Midwifery
Specialist Services  Pty Ltd  (abn 34 007 423 994)
Independent Midwifery Practice

Midwife Practitioner
*   Homebirth  
*   Lactation
*   Maternal & Child Health

www.melbmidwifery.com.au
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


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