, June 18, 2006 5:36 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] How long
before synto is used?
Interesting, Megan.
The thing that is alarming to mein this scenario is not
thepossiblecash motivation, but the fact that "scheduling" and
"delaying" birth is considered to be s
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From:
Megan
Larry
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 3:31 PM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] How long
before synto is used?
We talk about choices, but look what we will do for free
cash ???
Megan (whose 4th was bornon histiming2
Hi,
As you say it will always depend on the hospital policy.However, Iimagine the best way to gain an independent answer might be to review the evidence - A guide to effective evidence in pregnancy childbirth (Enkin et al) may be helpful, though it may also be slightly outdated. Alternatively,
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Sent: Saturday, 17 June 2006 1:56 PM
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You know, a lot of the time I feel trapped between a rock and hard place!! I
know
.
Sue
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From: sally @ home [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 11:56 AM
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You know, a lot of the time I feel trapped between a rock and hard place!!
I know
We talk about choices, but look what we will do for free
cash ???
Megan (whose 4th was bornon histiming2
weeks before the magic date)
Baby bonus creates hospital
havoc18jun06
THE introduction of the baby bonus on July 1, 2004,
caused more than 1000 scheduled births to be
but this will no longer be the case with compulsory continuous EFM for all
Syntocinon
Inductions. I can see Caesarians yet further on the increase at our
hospital.
Linda
Hi,
I find the whole idea of a procedure being compulsory as absolutely
ludicrous!! You can't make a medical
Therein lies the problem with management of birth...all women, babies
and births are not the same, so if everyone caring for the woman and
baby does the same thing, how can this possibly be considered
appropriate evidence based care?
That is such and excellent and valid point.
Also,
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From:
Lisa Barrett
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 4:21 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] How long
before synto is used?
Oh Jo, I forgot to say that the lovely Ob also
said if you are not going
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From:
Lisa Barrett
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 4:16 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] How long
before synto is used?
Hi Jo,
Policies are apparently to make the midwife feel
better and to get
Abby,
I agree with you, the proceedure should not be compulsory and I will take
this up with colleagues, women should be given the right to choose if they
want this, and I suppose the best way to go is what Emily has suggested and
explain to the mother and write it in their notes if they choose
Subject: Re: Re: [ozmidwifery] How long before synto is used?
Abby,
I agree with you, the proceedure should not be compulsory and I will take
this up with colleagues, women should be given the right to choose if they
want this, and I suppose the best way to go is what Emily has suggested and
explain
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Therein lies the problem with management of birth...all women, babies
and births are not the same, so if everyone caring for the woman and
baby does
So there are hospitals around where it is possible.
I think in most cases it's that there are individual staff, nothing to do
with the institutions. Some women have great births in some hospitals and
for others the same place is a bloodbath. It's the staff you fluke on the
day that have the
It's true, there is a lot of pot luck involved for consumers, it is certainly
what scares me about hospitals. But in this case I am pretty sure that the only
policy was for an initial trace because the midwife was fairly clearly out of
her comfort zone and didn't pull out the it's policy
That birthing experiences vary so drastically as a result of individual
staff is reason to advocate for returning the power and control of birth to
birthing women. This, not policy, will help ensure that all women and babies
have the best chance for a truly great birth.
But it's institutions as
You know, a lot of the time I feel trapped between a rock and hard place!! I
know that what has been said is not a personal attack, but working in the
system (and how bad am I for succumbing to that?) makes me, by default,
part of the problem. This I find very hard. I worked for 14 years as an
Hi Sally,
I'm sorry if you feel offended or upset by any discussion on this forum, I'm
sure no-one intentionally does that because part of the joy of it is we are
all able to talk without prejudice.
Thank god there are midwives like you working your butts off to help women
get the best
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Behalf Of Debbie Slater
Sent: 14 June 2006 23:35
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] How
long before synto is used?
The UKs
NICE guidelines inherited from the UKs
Royal College of Obs and Gynea suggest that it is fine to leave pre-labour
rupture
Of sally @ home
Sent: Thursday, 15 June 2006 11:10
AM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] How
long before synto is used?
We wait up to 96 hours. If a woman rings with ?pre-labour
SROM, we ask them to attend the unit for confirmation, either by history
(checking pads
at our
hospital.
Linda
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Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 1:05 PM
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Amy your story is truly appalling and also totally normal in the system
I agree completely Jo. I have been reading this whole thread and feel really
frustrated. So many things have gone through my head about what to write, but I
feel so disheartened at the moment by all the horror stories I have been
reading and hearing.
One thing I find so frustrating is the
I agree completely Jo. I have been reading this whole thread and feel really
frustrated. So many things have gone through my head about what to write, but I
feel so disheartened at the moment by all the horror stories I have been
reading and hearing.
One thing I find so frustrating is the
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From: jo [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 8:26 PM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] How long before synto is used?
I always find it amazing that what is happening to a woman's body (i.e
SROM)
is not believed and that she has to go in for 'confirmation
: Thursday, 15 June 2006 11:10 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] How long before synto is used?We wait up to 96 hours. If a woman rings with ?pre-labour SROM, we ask them to attend the unit for confirmation, either by history (checking
pads) or spec
e 15, 2006 1:05 PMSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] How long before synto is used? Amy your story is truly appalling and also totally normal in the system.How anyone can "refuse" your requests is disgusting! EFM does NOT save lives,it just increases c-sec rates. How about birthing with evidence based
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owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
[mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of sally @ homeSent: Thursday, 15 June 2006 11:10
AMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] How long
before synto is used?
We wait up to 96 hours. If a woman
rings with ?
!
Thanks for listening
Jo
From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of sally @ home
Sent: Friday, 16 June 2006 2:14 PM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] How
long before synto is used?
I haveto say
They like to have a baby within 24 hours of #
membranes so will augment with synto within 12 hours usually, although a lot
depends upon the time of day and acuity i.e. reluctant to start synto at night
due to smallish unit and lack of on site theatre staff/anaesthetists etc at
night. Also
Kelly In the maternity unit I worked in Northern Ireland we tend to leave women at term who had spontaneous rupture of members up to 48 hours to see if they go into labour before interveningWomen who have their members artifically rupturedas part of the induction of labour proceduretend to be
The UKs
NICE guidelines inherited from the UKs Royal College of Obs and
Gynea suggest that it is fine to leave pre-labour rupture of membranes up to 96
hours before induction of labour see http://www.nice.org.uk/page.aspx?o=17381
Debbie Slater
Perth, WA
From:
Birth Support
- http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support
From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
[mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au]
On Behalf Of Debbie Slater
Sent: Thursday, 15 June 2006 12:05
AM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] How
long before
Hi Kelly,
I think most places differentiate between
spontaneous release of the waters or artificial rupture, in regards to potential
for infection and other issues. Our area policy is after SROM they can do home
management after initial confirmation of SROM by speculum exam and amnicator and
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On Behalf Of diane
Sent: Thursday, 15 June 2006 7:53
AM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] How
long before synto is used?
Hi Kelly,
I think most places differentiate between spontaneous
release of the waters or artificial rupture, in regards
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Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 12:04 AM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] How long before synto is used?
The UK's NICE guidelines inherited from the UK's Royal College of Obs and Gynea
suggest that it is fine to leave pre-labour rupture of membranes up to 96 hours
before induction of labour
: Debbie Slater
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 12:04 AM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] How long before synto is used?
The UK's NICE guidelines inherited from the UK's Royal College of Obs and
Gynea suggest that it is fine to leave pre-labour rupture of membranes up to
96
that confirms that you are at more risk in Hospital!!
What do other units do?
Cheers,
Diane
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Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 8:51 AM
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To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 12:04 AM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] How long before synto is used?
The UK's NICE guidelines inherited from the UK's Royal College of Obs and
Gynea suggest that it is fine to leave pre-labour rupture of membranes up to
96 hours before
AM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] How long
before synto is used?
How frustrating then,
that of the births I have been to, when there has been an ARM to induce
labour, mum gets pressure for the drip after an hour, then they keep coming
back in at periodic intervals of 30mins-1hr
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 11:10 AM
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Oh mum didn't have strep b swap done (they forgot to do it) so they wanted
her to be on ab's too as policy assumed she was positive. She ended up
saying no after they sent in a barrage of people
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of diane
Sent: Thursday, 15 June 2006 11:18 AM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
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We swab on SROM assessment as we dont routinely swab, but unless confirmed
positive wont start IVAB
know, am I an eternal cynic? Bub calls, I have to go...
Amy
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Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 8:54 AM
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We
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 12:04 AM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] How long before synto is used?
The UK's NICE guidelines inherited from the UK's Royal College of Obs and
Gynea suggest that it is fine to leave pre-labour rupture of membranes up
to
96 hours before
: Thursday, June 15, 2006 11:49 AM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] How long before synto is used?
This is really pertinent thread for us mothers on the list...it seems an
issue about which there are no clear guidelines which makes it really hard
for women who are attempting to be in charge of their own
: Thursday, 15 June 2006 11:50 AM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] How long before synto is used?
This is really pertinent thread for us mothers on the list...it seems an
issue about which there are no clear guidelines which makes it really hard
for women who
: Thursday, June 15, 2006 11:05 AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] How long before synto is used?
Amy your story is truly appalling and also totally normal in the system.
How
anyone can refuse your requests is disgusting! EFM does NOT save lives,
it
just increases c-sec rates. How about birthing
I supported a woman a few months back who had a SROM but no labour for a
day or two. She was a birth centre mum but didn’t tell me or them abut
the ROM. We went in and they said she would have to birth in labour
ward now as it had been 48 hours. This wonderful gorgeous first time
mum said I
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