wrong iso choosen

2003-03-10 Thread scars
beginner question... I have a kodak iso 400 black and white film loaded in my mx. stupid me forgot to set the iso to 400 and let it on 100. I realised my mistake after about 12 pics taken. what effect does this have? is it better to take the rest of the pictures with the correct iso setting or is

general purpose lens...

2003-03-10 Thread Levente -Levi- Littvay
Hello all I know Tamron/Sigma makes wonderful 28-200, 28-300mm zooms for Pentax. They are nice and small and everything I can ask for. (If picture quality matters that much I can always use my primes, there arer some applications where one of these would do) There is only one problem I

OT: Real world example of DSLR depreciation

2003-03-10 Thread Cotty
Okay, here's some ammo to those who highlight DSLR depreciation and the 'must keep up' aura that permeates the electronics/photo markets. A well-known Canon dealer in the UK is advertising the D10 on pre-order at 1499 GBP (with a 512MB CF card) - or 'your D60 and 500 GBP'. So if I want to

Re: Sinking flagships

2003-03-10 Thread Th. Stach
Peter Alling schrieb: Alan you're beginning to become like Bruce. The changes I know of to the LX were all improvements I don't have one of the earliest models but my 18+ year old body has been about as reliable as my 5 year old model. Both are particularly solid and reliable. Hm, I

RE: Real world example of DSLR depreciation

2003-03-10 Thread J. C. O'Connell
That's why i'm going to stick with film for a few more years. I dont need instant results. The new pentax digital is probably as good as 35mm film, but not 67 or 4X5. I am in no hurry to buy into DSLR at this point for sure. I'm going to wait for full frame and 10 Mpixel for under $1000. Then

Re: wrong iso choosen

2003-03-10 Thread Bob Walkden
Hi, Monday, March 10, 2003, 8:45:43 AM, you wrote: beginner question... I have a kodak iso 400 black and white film loaded in my mx. stupid me forgot to set the iso to 400 and let it on 100. I realised my mistake after about 12 pics taken. what effect does this have? is it better to take

Re: OT: Pros on the net (was: Re: *ist v D60 and now the EOS 10D)

2003-03-10 Thread Chris Stoddart
On Sun, 9 Mar 2003, Cotty wrote: PS: Coulthard WON - go the Brits! Aye, but Barry Sheene died last night too :-( Chris

Re: Sinking flagships

2003-03-10 Thread Alan Chan
Hey Thomas, You know you aren't allowed to point out the flaws of the mighty LX here, don't you? :-) regards, Alan Chan Hm, I dunno! I bought an LX with winder in 1985 and it jammed 6 month later. Got repaired within several weeks(!), failed another six month later. Then I got it back with

Re: Sinking flagships

2003-03-10 Thread Th. Stach
Alan Chan schrieb: Hey Thomas, You know you aren't allowed to point out the flaws of the mighty LX here, don't you? :-) Ooops...did I forget to mention, that I still love this camera? *g* Thomas Hm, I dunno! I bought an LX with winder in 1985 and it jammed 6 month later. Got

Re: Re: wrong iso choosen

2003-03-10 Thread scars
Bob Walkden [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb am 10.03.2003, 10:43:11: continue to use 100 for the rest of the roll. When you process it tell the person who does the developing that it was exposed at ISO 100 and they will compensate. They will probably charge a little extra. Thanks! is this

Re: wrong iso choosen

2003-03-10 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Subject: wrong iso choosen beginner question... I have a kodak iso 400 black and white film loaded in my mx. stupid me forgot to set the iso to 400 and let it on 100. I realised my mistake after about 12 pics taken. what effect does this have? is it better

KAF3 lens mount already here?

2003-03-10 Thread Pål Jensen
According to someone who are into the technicalities of the Pentax lens mounts the mount of the new FA J lenses is not KAF2 as it uses a completely different way of aperture control. Is this the first lenses with KAF3 mount? Pål

RE: Mamiya fisheye

2003-03-10 Thread Mishka
fisheye with no distortion is no more oxymoron than rectilinear with no distortion. it is not possible to map 3d world as we see it (hemisphere) on a plane with no distortion. from this point of view, rectilinear is as bad as fisheye, just different. when speaking of lenses, no distortion usually

Re: KAF3 lens mount already here?

2003-03-10 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
on 10.03.03 13:16, Pål Jensen at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: According to someone who are into the technicalities of the Pentax lens mounts the mount of the new FA J lenses is not KAF2 as it uses a completely different way of aperture control. Is this the first lenses with KAF3 mount?

Re: KAF3 lens mount already here?

2003-03-10 Thread Pål Jensen
Sylwester wrote: Electronically controlled aperture a'la EF mont? Yes, electronically controlled. Apparently a motor in the lens do the stopping down. It is a completely new protocol and new protocol was what the KAF3 was all about. Pål

Re: KAF3 lens mount already here?

2003-03-10 Thread pentax
Hi, Pål Jensen wrote: According to someone who are into the technicalities of the Pentax lens mounts the mount of the new FA J lenses is not KAF2 as it uses a completely different way of aperture control. Is this the first lenses with KAF3 mount? Yesterday I sent a mail with long Kaf3

Re: wrong iso choosen

2003-03-10 Thread Bob Walkden
Hi, Monday, March 10, 2003, 10:54:52 AM, you wrote: Bob Walkden [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb am 10.03.2003, 10:43:11: continue to use 100 for the rest of the roll. When you process it tell the person who does the developing that it was exposed at ISO 100 and they will compensate. They will

Re: OT: Real world example of DSLR depreciation

2003-03-10 Thread Rfsindg
[EMAIL PROTECTED] discussing trading up to the latest Canon D10 writes: If I look at what I have, and what it does, and what I can make with it, in fact I am not tempted in the least. It does the job very well indeed. The new camera may have a metal shell with... Cotty, This is why you

Re: KAF3 lens mount already here?

2003-03-10 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
on 10.03.03 13:43, Pål Jensen at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sylwester wrote: Electronically controlled aperture a'la EF mont? Yes, electronically controlled. Apparently a motor in the lens do the stopping down. It is a completely new protocol and new protocol was what the KAF3 was all

Re: KAF3 lens mount already here?

2003-03-10 Thread Pål Jensen
Boz wrote: Conclusion: K and M equipment is obsolete. K and M buyers should buy Limited equipment (these people want good mechanical build, and nowadays that costs money). :-( Very likely scenario. Maybe we can hope for a high-end KAF3 lens series in the fall that maintain the aperture

Re: Mamiya fisheye

2003-03-10 Thread Bruce Rubenstein
We already knows he makes up his own rules, and ignores those that are stupid to him. BR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fisheye lenses are defined as follows: A fisheye lens produces extreme barrel distortion and exagerated forshortening in the center by the ICP encyclopedia of Photography, your

RE: Mamiya fisheye

2003-03-10 Thread Rob Studdert
On 10 Mar 2003 at 7:23, Mishka wrote: fisheye with no distortion is no more oxymoron than rectilinear with no distortion. it is not possible to map 3d world as we see it (hemisphere) on a plane with no distortion. from this point of view, rectilinear is as bad as fisheye, just different.

Re: KAF3 lens mount already here?

2003-03-10 Thread Bruce Rubenstein
Work, work, work. According to this page (http://www.nikonlinks.com/unklbil/bodylens.htm) AF-S will work on F4, N70, N90 and newer bodies. BR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For instance Nikon's AF-S lenses work using ultrasonic motors even with such a venerable bodies like F4 (but I am not sure of

Re: KAF3 lens mount already here?

2003-03-10 Thread Pål Jensen
Boz wrote: Conclusion: K and M equipment is obsolete. K and M buyers should buy Limited equipment (these people want good mechanical build, and nowadays that costs money). :-( It might be that Pentax will maintain compatibility on higher end KAF3 bodies. Anyway, one cannot really expect a

RE: Mamiya fisheye

2003-03-10 Thread J. C. O'Connell
Subject: RE: Mamiya fisheye On 10 Mar 2003 at 7:23, Mishka wrote: fisheye with no distortion is no more oxymoron than rectilinear with no distortion. it is not possible to map 3d world as we see it (hemisphere) on a plane with no distortion. from this point of view, rectilinear

Re: Mamiya fisheye

2003-03-10 Thread Keith Whaley
Exactly so... keith whaley Rob Studdert wrote: On 10 Mar 2003 at 7:23, Mishka wrote: fisheye with no distortion is no more oxymoron than rectilinear with no distortion. it is not possible to map 3d world as we see it (hemisphere) on a plane with no distortion. from this point of

Re: KAF3 lens mount already here?

2003-03-10 Thread Heiko Hamann
Hi Pål, on 10 Mar 03 you wrote in pentax.list: Electronically controlled aperture a'la EF mont? Yes, electronically controlled. Apparently a motor in the lens do the stopping down. It is a completely new protocol and new protocol was what the KAF3 was all about. I don't believe that Pentax

Re: The concept of Intellectual property (Was: eBay Boz's site)

2003-03-10 Thread Jostein
Intellectual property is highly regarded in most corners of the universe, except one insignificant little blue-green planet in the unfashionable parts of the western spiral arm of the galaxy. The people of which are so amazingly primitive that they still think digital cameras is a pretty neat

Re: Sinking Flagships

2003-03-10 Thread Jostein
Sorry to disappoint you, folks, but the free version is not TTL, just slave. Jostein -- Original Message -- From: Bruce Rubenstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2003 19:00:26 -0500 You bet it does!. It winks, it blinks

Digital sensor elements

2003-03-10 Thread Keith Whaley
I've recently been looking at some of the (to me) competitive digital cameras. I want a small one, and will either use it in conjunction with my much larger older one, or if it's good enough, it will be a replacement for it. However... When looking at the CCD tech info, I find the following data,

KAF-3 thoughts

2003-03-10 Thread collinb
Speculation, just for the fun of it: If there is a KAF-3, it's not the J. Else they'd have named it such. Rather, the J is a KAF-2 as Junk (cheap) version. Missing features for profitability purposes. KAF3 will be fully KAF-2 compatible and will add features within the lens. Piezo-motor

Re: Mamiya fisheye

2003-03-10 Thread mike wilson
Hi, JCO wrote: a fisheye with almost no distortion? Isn't that an oxymoron? I get the impression that they mean distortion other than the fisheye effect. Maybe someone more optically unchallenged, based in Finland, would like to contribute? In any case, the study is a waste of time and

Re: flower pics

2003-03-10 Thread Jostein
Answer interspersed. From: David Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] I just find the dark area a little distracting, especially with the big halo around the flower at the top (which I like). They compete for the attention of my eye. Ok. Tried it again, and I see your point. However, my experience of

Re: OT: Real world example of DSLR depreciation

2003-03-10 Thread Jostein
You know, Cotty, that might be _the_ most important reason for Pentax to get a sturdy bug-free camera first time around. To actually prove that they can make a camera that satisfy for a good while. Then they won't have to upgrade themselves out of design faults (sex-appeal aside,

Re: Digital sensor elements

2003-03-10 Thread Herb Chong
- Original Message - From: Keith Whaley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 08:33 Subject: Digital sensor elements When looking at the CCD tech info, I find the following data, on the three cameras Im considering: type sizecolor depth OptioS

Re: Digital sensor elements

2003-03-10 Thread Rob Studdert
On 10 Mar 2003 at 5:33, Keith Whaley wrote: I suspect color depth and bit depth are somehow different, but I don't know how. Colour depth generally refers to the cumulative number of bits that represent the individual colour components ie 24bit (red, green and blue) colour but the same

Re: Digital sensor elements

2003-03-10 Thread Doug Franklin
On Mon, 10 Mar 2003 05:33:52 -0800, Keith Whaley wrote: typesize color depth OptioS1/2.5 inline CCD 3.34 Mpixels 10 bit x 3 colors Pentax 4501/1.8 4.13 Mpixels 10 bit x 3 colors Pentax 5501/1.8

Re: The concept of Intellectual property (Was: eBay Boz's site)

2003-03-10 Thread Bruce Rubenstein
Where they go around yelling, Badges? We don't need no stkin' badges! BR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Intellectual property is highly regarded in most corners of the universe, except one insignificant little blue-green planet in the unfashionable parts of the western spiral arm of the galaxy. The

Re: OT Agfa APX

2003-03-10 Thread Albano Garcia
Hi, Frank. Yes, it's grainy, but I don't think it's as grainy as TriX. It's a good film with classic look (a la trix, not tmax style). I suppose it's not T grain technology. I like it. Please note it's not first hand experience. A friend of mine use it all the time and i see his results Regards

Re: OT: Pros on the net (was: Re: *ist v D60 and now the EOS 10D)

2003-03-10 Thread Camdir
On Sun, 9 Mar 2003, Cotty wrote: PS: Coulthard WON - go the Brits! A fact that my wife announced to me as she climbed into bed at 5 o'clock (was it?) on Sunday morning. Aye, but Barry Sheene died last night too :-( :( vivid memories of cross channel ferries bearing Mr S. Peter

Re: KAF3 lens mount already here?

2003-03-10 Thread Arnold Stark
Boz wrote: Conclusion: K and M equipment is obsolete. K and M buyers should buy Limited equipment (these people want good mechanical build, and nowadays that costs money). :-( Boz, you keep repeating the same wrong speculation, so I will quote again what Pentax USA writes: This is what

Re: KAF3 lens mount already here?

2003-03-10 Thread Taz
Sigh, this whole thing has caused me to eye up a Nikon N80 for sale that I know ofgrr Are you saying that K M lenses will not work with the *ist D? If so, I can start selling now and make the switch to another brand for digital. --- Pål_Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

RE: wrong iso choosen

2003-03-10 Thread Raivo Tiikmaa
CN16 is Fuji-s analog of C41 (Kodak) process. To pull or push color neg.films You or your lab needs film processor with SPECIAL DRIVE MOTOR. Cheers , Raivo

Re: KAF3 lens mount already here?

2003-03-10 Thread Michael Cross
Taz, The Nikon N80 will not meter with nearly all Nikkor manual focus lenses. Michael Cross Taz wrote: Sigh, this whole thing has caused me to eye up a Nikon N80 for sale that I know ofgrr Are you saying that K M lenses will not work with the *ist D? If so, I can start

Re: KAF3 lens mount already here?

2003-03-10 Thread Peter Alling
Well that will just piss off a lot of people after the assurance that the *ist D is compatible with K/M mount lenses. I'd be considerably more pissed off than I was with the cancelation of the MZ-D. At 04:09 PM 3/10/2003 +0100, you wrote: Steve wrote: Are you saying that K M lenses will not

RE: Real world example of DSLR depreciation

2003-03-10 Thread Malcolm Smith
Cotty wrote: Okay, here's some ammo to those who highlight DSLR depreciation and the 'must keep up' aura that permeates the electronics/photo markets. It's only depreciation, if you have the desire to have the very latest camera. If you are happy it does what you want, why change? Deprecation

Re: wrong iso choosen

2003-03-10 Thread Dr E D F Williams
Holy mackerel! Here we go again! ___ Dr E D F Williams http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams Author's Web Site and Photo Gallery Updated: March 30, 2002 - Original Message - From: Taz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 7:28 PM Subject:

Re: Sinking flagships

2003-03-10 Thread Peter Alling
That's just it. I've had some troubles with every camera I've ever owned. I give them hard use, sometimes to destruction. (If someone wants some mangled Spotmatic parts I may be able to find the body I dropped off the cliff). The only problem I've had with an LX came after a CLA. I know other

Re: The concept of Intellectual property (Was: eBay Boz's site)

2003-03-10 Thread Rfsindg
Wasn't that 4 out of 5 burrows of NYC, where civilization has come and gone? Bob S [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Where they go around yelling, Badges? We don't need no stkin' badges! BR

Re: KAF3 lens mount already here?

2003-03-10 Thread Taz
Thanks for that update Michael, that would have really erked me to have fallen into that trap again(remembers trying very hard not to use a zx-50 for a throwing object.) Taz, The Nikon N80 will not meter with nearly all Nikkor manual focus lenses. Michael Cross

Re: KAF3 lens mount already here?

2003-03-10 Thread Mark Roberts
Arnold Stark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Boz wrote: Conclusion: K and M equipment is obsolete. K and M buyers should buy Limited equipment (these people want good mechanical build, and nowadays that costs money). :-( Boz, you keep repeating the same wrong speculation, so I will quote

Re: KAF3 lens mount already here?

2003-03-10 Thread Nick Zentena
On March 10, 2003 12:38 pm, Taz wrote: Surely not even Pentax can ignore the impact that Ebay has on the camera industry. Old lenses as long as they are clean are like little gold mines. It's a gold mine for you and me. It can't be a postive for the camera makers. Nick

Re[2]: KAF3 lens mount already here?

2003-03-10 Thread Alin Flaider
Peter wrote: PA Well that will just piss off a lot of people after the assurance that the PA *ist D is compatible with K/M mount lenses. I'd be considerably more pissed PA off than I was with the cancelation of the MZ-D. If the existing Pentax users are present in their *istD sales

Hypothetical question: Cost of a new K1000

2003-03-10 Thread Steve Desjardins
Here's an interesting question. Suppose that Pentax made a brand new K1000, metal body and all What would they have to charge for such a beast? Could it be made much cheaper than the Nikon FMA3? Steven Desjardins Department of Chemistry Washington and Lee University Lexington, VA 24450 (540)

Re: Sinking flagships

2003-03-10 Thread Nick Zentena
On March 9, 2003 04:45 pm, William Robb wrote: Good point, but if your two year old digital camera set you back the better part of two grand, you are probably going to be looking to repair, no matter what they have improved. Odds are if you've spent $2k on a camera you really need

New Pentax web design ( Re: KAF3 lens mount already here?)

2003-03-10 Thread Caveman
Arnold Stark wrote: Let's go to CeBit and put an end to all this speculation! BTW: Have you seen the new design of the Pentax Germany pages at www.pentax.de? What ? Nudity ? Without a warning ? Without having to click I am a consenting adult ? I am deeply offended. I will sell all my Pentax

U.S. Price Of *ist Film

2003-03-10 Thread Michael Cross
B H has posted a price of $299.95 for the *ist. It's not available yet, but coming soon. Michael

Obsolete?

2003-03-10 Thread Dr E D F Williams
Someone posted that K and M Pentax equipment was obsolete. Great! Now we can make some money. I sold my obsolete Alpa Reflex 9D, a couple of years ago, for 17 times what I paid for it new. D ___ Dr E D F Williams http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams Author's Web Site and Photo

Re: KAF3 lens mount already here?

2003-03-10 Thread Taz
On March 10, 2003 12:38 pm, Taz wrote: Surely not even Pentax can ignore the impact that Ebay has on the camera industry. Old lenses as long as they are clean are like little gold mines. It's a gold mine for you and me. It can't be a postive for the camera makers. Nick True, but to

RE: Mamiya fisheye

2003-03-10 Thread Peter Alling
No, the bird's eye lens was never put into production. At 08:27 PM 3/10/2003 +0300, you wrote: I have no intent to argue the terminology and definitions of fish, eye and distortion, with either you or encyclopedia. I asked the forum a question. Mind you, about a lens, patented by Pentax. I

Re: Hypothetical question: Cost of a new K1000

2003-03-10 Thread Taz
Or take the features of the ZX-M and put it in the K1000 metal body, now that would be a very attractive camera to me. The ZX-M has been compared as the K1000 replacement. Here's an interesting question. Suppose that Pentax made a brand new K1000, metal body and all What would they have to

Re: U.S. Price Of *ist Film

2003-03-10 Thread Herb Chong
i notice that the BH site has changed over the weekend so that where it used to just say Photography as a major category, it now says Film Photography. Herb - Original Message - From: Michael Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003

Re: OT: Real world example of DSLR depreciation

2003-03-10 Thread Cotty
If I look at what I have, and what it does, and what I can make with it, in fact I am not tempted in the least. It does the job very well indeed. The new camera may have a metal shell with... Cotty, This is why you are a Pentax user at heart! ...less flashy, more emphasis on function.

Re: KAF3 lens mount already here?

2003-03-10 Thread Pål Jensen
Alin wrote: If the existing Pentax users are present in their *istD sales projection then I expect them to be very, very scrupulous about the support for K/M lenses. Even the incompatibility of new KAF3 lenses with old cameras will be almost inconsequential compared to the

Re: KAF3 lens mount already here?

2003-03-10 Thread Pål Jensen
Taz wrote: I still say if Pentax doesn't make a body to support these old lenses they are shooting themselves in the foot. I think that from the manufacturers point of view it is actually the other way around. Pentax need to give reason for consumers to stop using old lenses and start buying

Re: KAF3 lens mount already here?

2003-03-10 Thread Pål Jensen
Arnold wrote: Boz, you keep repeating the same wrong speculation, so I will quote again what Pentax USA writes: Again I have to repeat that the *ist and ist D was designed with limitation from K and M lenses. As the *ist D is not finalized yet, things may change. Perhaps they have changed

Re: KAF3 lens mount already here?

2003-03-10 Thread Pål Jensen
Michael wrote: The Nikon N80 will not meter with nearly all Nikkor manual focus lenses. Not to mention how bad it works with Pentax K and M lenses... Pål

Re: Real world example of DSLR depreciation

2003-03-10 Thread Pl Jensen
Malcolm wrote: Deprecation depends on your viewpoint on the product. Here we are talking cameras, and in the majority (?) of cases here it is hobby money. I have a local friend who would be horrified at losing a few hundred pounds to upgrade a camera to the latest model, yet he is quite happy

Re: KAF3 lens mount already here?

2003-03-10 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Taz Subject: Re: KAF3 lens mount already here? Thanks for that update Michael, that would have really erked me to have fallen into that trap again(remembers trying very hard not to use a zx-50 for a throwing object.) If you want full backwards lens

Re: Hypothetical question: Cost of a new K1000

2003-03-10 Thread Bruce Rubenstein
It would be better to use the FM2n, since that was in production for a long time with a price history. I would not be surprised if the price ratio difference between the K1000 and FM/FM2n was pretty constant over time. When the FM2n stopped being sold last year it sold for $400-$500. The K1000

Re: KAF3 lens mount already here?

2003-03-10 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Peter Alling Subject: Re: KAF3 lens mount already here? Well that will just piss off a lot of people after the assurance that the *ist D is compatible with K/M mount lenses. I'd be considerably more pissed off than I was with the cancelation of the MZ-D.

Re: New Pentax web design ( Re: KAF3 lens mount already here?)

2003-03-10 Thread Peter Alling
Only partial. Less than you'd see on German Billboards. At 01:21 PM 3/10/2003 -0500, you wrote: Arnold Stark wrote: Let's go to CeBit and put an end to all this speculation! BTW: Have you seen the new design of the Pentax Germany pages at www.pentax.de? What ? Nudity ? Without a warning ?

Re: Hypothetical question: Cost of a new K1000

2003-03-10 Thread Peter Alling
Probably not any cheaper. At 01:18 PM 3/10/2003 -0500, you wrote: Here's an interesting question. Suppose that Pentax made a brand new K1000, metal body and all What would they have to charge for such a beast? Could it be made much cheaper than the Nikon FMA3? Steven Desjardins Department of

Re: Sinking flagships

2003-03-10 Thread Caveman
Peter Alling wrote: Maybe it's a quality control problem, how else to you reconcile Pål's experience with William Robb's experiences. Bill has already confessed that he attempted to mount some Nikon lens on his LX. No wonder that at the sight of such bokeh his LX has since refused to work.

Re: KAF3 lens mount already here?

2003-03-10 Thread Bruce Rubenstein
DUH! You would wind up doing exactly what you don't want for Pentax! (Not being able to use old lenses on new bodies.) The deal with Nikon is that you can get a full sized/cost body like the F100 and use all the new AF and AI MF lenses. Get a new compact AF body (N80) and only be able to

Re: KAF3 lens mount already here?

2003-03-10 Thread Thomas Stach
snip BTW: Have you seen the new design of the Pentax Germany pages at www.pentax.de? All the nice product-pdf to download are gone ... :.-( Thomas

Re: U.S. Price Of *ist Film

2003-03-10 Thread Michael Cross
Maybe you'll be closer with the *ist D :-) . Frits Wüthrich wrote: On Monday 10 March 2003 18:06, Michael Cross wrote: B H has posted a price of $299.95 for the *ist. It's not available yet, but coming soon. Michael Hum, my guees was $300, so I was $0.05 off. $1 = £1.

Re: KAF3 lens mount already here?

2003-03-10 Thread Matt Bevers
See comments below (long): On Monday, March 10, 2003, at 02:14 PM, Pål Jensen wrote: But then you get worse compatibility with older lenses. Frankly, I can't see any K and M lens owner going to buy an *ist, just like they don't buy the MZ-60. I own three M lenses and I might buy an *ist. I

Re: KAF3 lens mount already here?

2003-03-10 Thread Taz
Part of that possibility is further fostered by the existing DSLR's in both camps stables. However the *ist D appearance on the horizon has changed that idea to a point. However my buying any DSLR at this time is not going to happen, I'm rather trying to position myself in the best possible

Re: KAF3 lens mount already here?

2003-03-10 Thread Doug Brewer
Why on Earth would you hand hold 1000mm? At 02:30 PM 3/10/03, you wrote: I didn't appreciate before I'd tried it how much the image shakes when you're holding 1000mm of telephoto by hand.

New lenses (was Re: KAF3 lens mount already here?)

2003-03-10 Thread Caveman
Gregory L. Hansen wrote: They need to tempt users to new lenses, not introduce compatibility issues. They would tempt me with a nice AF portrait lens. Let's see: FA 77 - greta lens, but too short focal length FA 85 - too expensive, a little bit short, great for indoor only FA 100/2.8 macro -

Re: KAF3 lens mount already here?

2003-03-10 Thread Caveman
Matt, Three of the most recurrent expressions in Paal's writing are cheap, entry level and flagship. Anything that's not flagship is cheap and entry level. cheers, caveman Matt Bevers wrote: I own three M lenses and I might buy an *ist. I know that Pål insists that the *ist is entry level

Re: KAF3 lens mount already here?

2003-03-10 Thread Bruce Rubenstein
In the most recent 15 year period (1987 - 2003), Canon has had complete, and better compatibility, than Nikon, Minolta or Pentax. The Canon EF mount was designed to transfer information electronically and not back fitted to do so. There is no reason to think that they will change their mount

RE: Real world example of DSLR depreciation

2003-03-10 Thread Malcolm Smith
Pl wrote: Malcolm wrote: Deprecation depends on your viewpoint on the product. Here we are talking cameras, and in the majority (?) of cases here it is hobby money. I have a local friend who would be horrified at losing a few hundred pounds to upgrade a camera to the latest model, yet

RE: WAAA!!!

2003-03-10 Thread tom
-Original Message- From: Brendan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] $109 to fix my broken AF500FTZ sniff, oh well it must be done I pay $92 every time I have mine fixed. Doesn't seem to matter what's wrong with it. tv

RE: New lenses (was Re: KAF3 lens mount already here?)

2003-03-10 Thread tom
-Original Message- From: Caveman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] FA 135/2.8 - nice focal length, would be great except it's quite soft. Huh? I've never heard anyone make this claim. Mine was very sharp. So where's that killer portrait lens ? I was looking hard and my best bet

Re: KAF3 lens mount already here?

2003-03-10 Thread Pål Jensen
I wrote: Well maybe he doesn't jump to conclusion but have gotten the same information I have. I also originally believed that the *ist and *ist D was fully compatible but was told that only lenses with electroning contacts will work fully on the *ist. Actually, I've received contra

Re: KAF3 lens mount already here?

2003-03-10 Thread Pål Jensen
Matt wrote: If you walk into the average US camera store, you see two pentax models on the shelf: The ZX-60 and the ZX-L. The *ist will probably take the ZX-L's shelf space, but I just don't see people looking for a $150 camera paying $300 just because somebody claims the *ist is entry

Re: wrong iso choosen

2003-03-10 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Taz Subject: Re: wrong iso choosen My needs in this department are for example pushing 400 to 800 or 800 to 1600. Thus overexposure isn't my problem. However that I/O switch should cover thatnow if I can just get my local lab to investigate that

Re: KAF3 lens mount already here?

2003-03-10 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Caveman Subject: Re: KAF3 lens mount already here? Matt, Three of the most recurrent expressions in Paal's writing are cheap, entry level and flagship. Anything that's not flagship is cheap and entry level. You get to choose any two of cheap, entry

Re: KAF3 lens mount already here?

2003-03-10 Thread Pål Jensen
Bruce wrote: In the most recent 15 year period (1987 - 2003), Canon has had complete, and better compatibility, than Nikon, Minolta or Pentax. The Canon EF mount was designed to transfer information electronically and not back fitted to do so. There is no reason to think that they will

Re: KAF3 lens mount already here?

2003-03-10 Thread KT Takeshita
On 03.3.10 1:35 PM, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you want it from Pentax, avoid the very bottom end models, as they are for people who glue their lens on so they won't lose it. No kidding! :-) Reports from Pentax Roadshow indicate that the lens release button on *ist (film) is

Re: KAF3 lens mount already here?

2003-03-10 Thread Matt Bevers
It all makes sense ... there is no middle ground. I feel much better now. On Monday, March 10, 2003, at 03:05 PM, Caveman wrote: Matt, Three of the most recurrent expressions in Paal's writing are cheap, entry level and flagship. Anything that's not flagship is cheap and entry level.

Re: KAF3 lens mount already here?

2003-03-10 Thread Gary L. Murphy
On Mon, 10 Mar 2003 15:08:22 -0500, Bruce Rubenstein wrote: In the most recent 15 year period (1987 - 2003), Canon has had complete, and better compatibility, than Nikon, Minolta or Pentax. The Canon EF mount was designed to transfer information electronically and not back fitted to do so.

RE: WAAA!!!

2003-03-10 Thread Brendan
$109 Cad, new front and rear case, $13 in parts, $7 shipping, taxes, labour, thank Pentax tho the MZ-3 is under warranty ( they said if the pop up went even after they'd still fix it free ) and $109 is still less than a new one. --- tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message-

Re: KAF3 lens mount already here?

2003-03-10 Thread KT Takeshita
On 03.3.10 2:40 PM, Matt Bevers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I own three M lenses and I might buy an *ist. I know that Pål insists that the *ist is entry level and therefore in the same class as the MZ-60 (despite the fact that at BH the *ist is $299 and the MZ-60 $149). There are, however, a

Re: KAF3 lens mount already here?

2003-03-10 Thread Matt Bevers
On Monday, March 10, 2003, at 03:15 PM, Pål Jensen wrote: The MZ/ZX series is 8 years old. According to Pentax sources and official info in Japan, Pentax regards the *ist as entry level. It was not my invention. The *ist is the first in a new generation of Pentax bodies. Are all the new

Re: New lenses (was Re: KAF3 lens mount already here?)

2003-03-10 Thread Caveman
tom wrote: -Original Message- From: Caveman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] FA 135/2.8 - nice focal length, would be great except it's quite soft. Huh? I've never heard anyone make this claim. Mine was very sharp. I was reading Stan Halpin's site, Yoshihiko's comments and the photodo MTF

Re: KAF3 lens mount already here?

2003-03-10 Thread Bruce Rubenstein
No where did I say never. It has proven to be the most forward looking mount. The lens mount doesn't have to be changed for a lens with smaller area of coverage. Anyway, it's Canon and they can pretty much call whatever tune they like. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bruce wrote: In the most

Re: wrong iso choosen

2003-03-10 Thread Taz
William Rather then rant, why not just tell me what film and process can be pushed in a color print type film. I just want to know how to push film and get it properly processed when I only have a 800 ISO film with me and am told after I'm already there that using my flash is not allowed so that

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